Why are people already claiming the song is horrible when the version without the sdvx effects hasn’t even been released yet? Like sure, it sounds bad here, but that’s probably because it has absurd amounts of horrible whooshing noises added on top of it, not because Camellia is “falling off” or whatever.
From experience, when camellia release a boss song that isn't a banger like Dyscontrolled Galaxy or that it is a track that goes way too fast like the Blastix series, they always complain. Idk why they almost always do that for Camellia, I never see that for like any other artist in others rhythm games from what I saw (at least to the degree of Camellia).
Man I'm so hyped for a clean version of this to drop! Also as a Camellia fan, you just have to accept that people who don't put in the listening time aren't going to enjoy his music. It's like complicated strategy games, you need to take time learning the rules before it becomes one of your favorite games (or artist in this case).
People just complain because the artist is camellia, the famous artist whose loved by everyone As a camellia fan while I agree it’s not his best work, but people say he’s falling off is coping hard Hou on DDR is super good and I doubt they listen to his other works outside of sdvx
Yo how can I learn how to play 18s I have a grade average or AA/AA+ on most 17s and want to move to 18s but there pretty difficult in terms of patterns like cross hands
The jump is pretty big and really you just need to grind against it. Play songs you like and just learn them and it will come in time. In saying that you probably want to still be focusing on 16/17s as a general rule is you're truly ready to move on to the next level when you're AAAing the previous one otherwise you just end up mashing and having poor technique.
I don't see the NOFX version being any better. I just find the composition itself grating. I feel so bad for top players who will be grinding out PUCs listening to... this.
@@HwanyPlayz_ yeah it feels like he tried to cram every possible variation of weird rhythm to adds up the challenge in this short song. Interesting but the vibe is not fitting for final boss song. but it's absolutely not a reason for people being so rude and disrespectful (not you or og commenter but other ppl all over the place)
@@user-rd2dc1bm6h초반-중반-후반 세 파트간의 연결성이 꽤 떨어져서 좀 어색하게 느껴질 수 있다고는 생각하는데 그건 상업 리겜 특성상 곡 시간 제한 맞추려다가 어거지로 길이를 줄여서 그런것 같음여,,, 이 부분도 어케보면 작곡가 역량이라고도 볼 수 있으니깐 말 나올것 같긴 하네욥 전 감안하고 듣긴했음😿
@@mlwy1891 님 말도 어느정도 일리가 있습니다 하지만 이게 코나미가 옛날 시대에 갇혀서 그런지 몇곡 제외하곤 퀄리티가 영 아니더라고요 요즘 시대가 바꼈고 디맥이나 모바일리겜 곡들 은근 퀄리티가 좋거든요 TAG씨 보세요 TAG씨 코나미 퇴사하고 난 이후에 곡퀄리티가 좋아졌잖아요 이게 코나미가 문제가 있다고 보거든요 제 개인적인 생각입니다
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本当にド素人意見なのは承知だけど、倍速かけたような早くて譜面難しくできそうなだけの曲が最近多すぎる
エバラスやakashaみたいな良い曲を優秀賞に入れてほしい
KACとBPLはちょっと違いますからね…
BPLはプロリーグなのでどうしてもバカ高い地力が必要な譜面がじゃんじゃん生まれてしまうのです
ただ意見はめちゃくちゃ分かります、自分もKACでは美しい曲や演出が欲しいな〜と思います！
Dyscontrolled Blastix Xronial Bangin Venomous Seasickness
もはや曲といっていいものか・・・ あまりにも早く聞こえて思わず再生速度確認してしまった。譜面はなんというか、これがSDVXのターニングポイントな気がしてきた
Surprisingly chill for a Riot theme
個人的にはこういうどこに連れてってくれるのか全く予測できない曲って好きなんだけどな…
드르르르르르륵 드르륵 드르르르륵 부오아아아악
こういう曲があってもいいし好きな人もいる→めっちゃ分かる
譜面→BPLの舞台といった以上初見殺しギミック的な譜面はお出しし辛いので
地力譜面傾向になってしまうのは仕方ない。
とはいえINF-Bやディスコンの歴史に名を連ねる事態にならんでほしかった。
それはそれとしてこれユーザーに人気出ると思う？→う、うーん…
ムズイ曲の雰囲気がしっかりあって好きです。こういう曲もあっていいよね
これはただのノイズ
勘違いするな
@@user-rd2dc1bm6h エフェクトのせいでちゃんと曲聞き取れてないだけでしょ。ちゃんと元のほう聞いたら声ネタとか効果音凝ってて聞けると思う
@@user-rd2dc1bm6h一生ノイズだと思ってればいいよ
i don’t care what anyone says, i love this
If camellia has 0 fans then im dead
카메리아 팬이고 이런 공사판 스피드코어도 잘만 듣는 사람 입장으로 말해보자면 솔직히 비슷한 성향의 곡들 사이에서도 ㅎㅌㅊ고 그나마 좋은 부분 찾아보려고 하면 한 10초 정도는 있는듯 그리고 카메리아나 사볼 곡 아니 모든 리겜 곡중에서 ㅆㅆㅎㅌㅊ급 폐기물 맞음
곡 꼬라지ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
곡 선택할때 ㄹㅇ 안전! 좋아! 좋아! 좋아!
이거 외치고 선택해야될거같네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
0:30 is SOO HYPE Camellia is the god of making insanely fast beats in buildup sections. I can't wait for the clean version!
FRR this song is mad good
Still prefer BAYONEX or Blastix over this, but yeah its still fire tbh
dolololo dolololo dolololo dolololo
個人的に曲は超好き
もう終わりだよこのゲーム
This song is good and I won't elaborate further
Camellia knew the April 8's Eclipse is real
노래를 만들어오라고
みんなはちゃんと言葉を選びながら言ってるけど俺には無理だわ
もはや音が汚ねえよ、なんだこれ
2分弱という決められた尺に色々と展開を詰め込みたいのか、最近早すぎる曲が多いんだよね
曲は好きだよ、好きなんだけどこの譜面をプレーしたいかと言われたらそれはちょっと…ってなる
SuddeИDeathと同様、この曲も賛否両論ありそう。
SuddeИDeath와 마찬가지로 이 곡도 찬반 양론이 있을 것 같다.
sudden deathでさえ曲が酷いって言われてたのに次がこれかｗ
高難易度作るうえで難しそうな音出てないといけないのはわかるけど、もうちょいシンプルに聞き心地のいいもの選んでくれ
wake up babe, new BLASTIX RIOTX
이정도면 카메리아가 사볼에게 원한을 가지고 있는 게 아닌지...
suddendeathでだいぶガッカリきた身としては、コメント見て身構えてたんだけど
再生してみたら前半普通に好みで、ニコニコしながら見てたらサビで一気に「あー…」ってなった😞
0.75배로 들으면 들을만한데 그게 맞음? 제로아때도 속도 좀 줄이면 들을만했는데 너무 극한까지 속도를 올려버린게 아닌가
bpm 250정도만 해도 괜찮았겠구만...
曲じゃないとか言ってる人普通に曲聞かずに譜面とBPMと作曲者だけ見て言ってるでしょ
メロディがしっかりしてる曲だけが音楽じゃないよ
このコメめっちゃ好き
Yeah... not Camellia's finest outing for sure...
Still better than most of his works for the last 3 years
@@JinoBeatsYeah, UUFO really did seem like the “endgame” of Camellia and most things after have just sounded messy
@@swordoftheend_ im gonna be honest TERA I/O was the start of the downfall, UUFO is such a mixed bag of good and garbage
@@JinoBeatsfair enough. after all UUFO is insanely long so i tend to forget about the bad songs lol
ドリームマッチの初20だからこの位ぶっ飛んだ譜面で良いのよ。強烈な印象残しているし。
라이엇의 캐릭터 컨셉 때문에 어쩔 수 없이 이렇게 내는거라면 이해는 하겠다만...
옆동네에서 아주르빅센 세이지 재규어 테라바이트
같은 겜에서도 디컨갤 크로니엘처럼 좋은 노래 많이 뽑는거 생각하면
이번 신곡은 카메리아 치고는 많이 아쉽....
工事現場のBGM
せっかくΛkashaとかBPMも低くて音数も少ない20が出たのに結局ピロピロ言ってるだけみたいな曲が最難関級になって、ボルテはもうプロ専用の音ゲーになっちゃったんじゃないかってアルジェントモブの私は思いました。
Akashaもbpm180の24分なら結局270の16分と変わらないし、16分の地帯も「bpm180の16分でも難易度20になる配置」が降ってくるから割と似たようなもんよ
もちろん曲として聴く分にはかなり違うけど
진짜 카메리아라는 사람이 똥곡을 쓸 정도로 그렇게 실력 감 없는 사람은 아닌데 어케든 어렵고 빠른걸 써야 사볼에서 뽑아준다는거 듣고 나니깐 참 사볼 곡 운영방식을 욕해야 할지 난감한 마음이 크네...
Why are people already claiming the song is horrible when the version without the sdvx effects hasn’t even been released yet? Like sure, it sounds bad here, but that’s probably because it has absurd amounts of horrible whooshing noises added on top of it, not because Camellia is “falling off” or whatever.
i mean i dont think he's falling off at all but it's definitely not his best work. it feels very half-baked and thrown together without much thought
From experience, when camellia release a boss song that isn't a banger like Dyscontrolled Galaxy or that it is a track that goes way too fast like the Blastix series, they always complain.
Idk why they almost always do that for Camellia, I never see that for like any other artist in others rhythm games from what I saw (at least to the degree of Camellia).
Man I'm so hyped for a clean version of this to drop!
Also as a Camellia fan, you just have to accept that people who don't put in the listening time aren't going to enjoy his music. It's like complicated strategy games, you need to take time learning the rules before it becomes one of your favorite games (or artist in this case).
People just complain because the artist is camellia, the famous artist whose loved by everyone
As a camellia fan while I agree it’s not his best work, but people say he’s falling off is coping hard
Hou on DDR is super good and I doubt they listen to his other works outside of sdvx
もうかめりあは休ませたれよ…
曲の善し悪しは完全に人の好みだから知らんけど、譜面に関しては20の中ではかなりマシな部類だと思うけどな。この曲で20の譜面作れって言われたらそりゃこうなるっていうか、むしろ良くまとめたなって感想だけど。
でもノーツ数が譜面と釣り合っとらんせいでゲージのせるだけならまだしもスコアが絶望的なことになる
ただでさえBPMクソ早なのにBPM271ディスコン地帯とか20分混じり縦連とか
なんかよくわからんFXとBT混合とかノーツ数2200でやっていい配置してない
この言われようって事はずっとドリルの音鳴ってるエクストラトーンの方が許されるのでは？
Yo how can I learn how to play 18s I have a grade average or AA/AA+ on most 17s and want to move to 18s but there pretty difficult in terms of patterns like cross hands
The jump is pretty big and really you just need to grind against it. Play songs you like and just learn them and it will come in time.
In saying that you probably want to still be focusing on 16/17s as a general rule is you're truly ready to move on to the next level when you're AAAing the previous one otherwise you just end up mashing and having poor technique.
@@mrhattttttt ahh ok well thanks!
SuddenDeathですらメロディはあったのに、もうこれ効果音繋げただけでメロディと呼べるものまともにないですよね…
사볼이 카메리아한테 칼들고 협박한거 아니면 이딴 똥곡 절대 안나옴
あとは神に全てを託した
idc what people say about this track but I like it
I unfortunately don't follow BPL recently, but the last thing I was expecting by waking up was a lvl20 Camellia track x)
riot... riot destrudo... ohhg.... father... aand its all over my screen! #yep 😅👊
何がおもろいんやこれ
this isn't the Camellia I know
騒がしいとは思わないけど印象に残らない曲だった
印象に残らないのすごいわかる
진짜 노래 역대급으로 별로네 리겜호소인같이만들어놨네
I don't see the NOFX version being any better. I just find the composition itself grating. I feel so bad for top players who will be grinding out PUCs listening to... this.
どういう流れで出来たのかは分からんけど、キャラをライオット指定で曲依頼したんじゃないかと思うくらいライオットな曲。クリア狙いだと、つまみと鍵盤の高速切替地帯が出来るか次第に感じる。
this is good if you cut everything before 1:30
it is just me or the fx somehow make the song worse especially this part 1:12
@@NetRa1n nofx doesn't make this song better imo
I dislike this, thats all
true, the second half is so lackluster :( somehow it sounds even emptier without effects too
outro (last 5 seconds) is cool though i think its fine
God DAMNNNNNN
Im sorry camellia but this track is just bad...
do you mind telling why?
@@vthln build-up took way too long for the shortest climax ever in Camellia songs
@@HwanyPlayz_ yeah it feels like he tried to cram every possible variation of weird rhythm to adds up the challenge in this short song. Interesting but the vibe is not fitting for final boss song.
but it's absolutely not a reason for people being so rude and disrespectful (not you or og commenter but other ppl all over the place)
곡 개난잡하네 진짜
무엇을 말하고 싶은지 모르겠음
譜面を先に作ったのかな
그래서 이게 일식이랑 뭔상관 있는곡이지..?
카메리아 감 다뒤졌네
엄....맞아?
the song isn't THAT bad i think you guys are overreacting
Camellia has produced better tracks than this for sure.
this track is amazing wdym
Yeah i agree i fw this track heavy
나는 곡 맘에 드는디,,,, 이게 그렇게 별로임??
혹시 어느부분이 어떻게 좋은지 설명은 가능함?? ㅋㅋ
@@user-rd2dc1bm6h중반 드롭 파트가 젤 맘에 들고요 후반 멜로디도 저는 좋았어욥,,,,
@@user-rd2dc1bm6h초반-중반-후반 세 파트간의 연결성이 꽤 떨어져서 좀 어색하게 느껴질 수 있다고는 생각하는데 그건 상업 리겜 특성상 곡 시간 제한 맞추려다가 어거지로 길이를 줄여서 그런것 같음여,,, 이 부분도 어케보면 작곡가 역량이라고도 볼 수 있으니깐 말 나올것 같긴 하네욥 전 감안하고 듣긴했음😿
This track so ass man goddamn 😭😭😭
譜面は確かにゴミ()だけど曲自体はそんなに酷いかなぁ 自分は普通にこういう曲も好きなんだけど
난 못본걸로 할래
곡 ㅆㅎㅌㅊ 너무 별로임
카메리아상... 그냥 디맥이나 모바일 리겜 세가리겜에 곡 투고나 하자...
기존에 있던 외주 아티스트들이 코나미 손절하는 이유가 있다니까...
그... 똑같이 사볼 공무원인 블래키 러프스케치도 이 정도는 아니거든요... 이건 뽑는놈이나 쓰는놈이나 둘다 문제가 아닌지
@@mlwy1891 님 말도 어느정도 일리가 있습니다 하지만 이게 코나미가 옛날 시대에 갇혀서 그런지 몇곡 제외하곤 퀄리티가 영 아니더라고요 요즘 시대가 바꼈고 디맥이나 모바일리겜 곡들 은근 퀄리티가 좋거든요 TAG씨 보세요 TAG씨 코나미 퇴사하고 난 이후에 곡퀄리티가 좋아졌잖아요 이게 코나미가 문제가 있다고 보거든요 제 개인적인 생각입니다
코나미 문제가 아니고 이건 그냥 사볼 공모전 시스템 문제죠
사볼에 내는 곡들은 이렇게 하면 공모전에 뽑히겠구나 하고 쓴다고 카메리아가 직접 그랬으니 ㅇㅇ
애초에 투덱이나 디댤에 낸 최근 카메리아 곡들 보면 퀄리티가 나쁘지않아서..
사실 외주들이 코나미 손절하는 것도 외주들이 나름 음악내는게 밥줄이고 이름 알리는 기회인데 외면할리는 없고 그냥 코나미가 혼자 삐져서 안불러주는게 정설이기도 하고..
@@user-ko1iv3wg2j 최근에 나온 솜니디스코텍 들어보세요 진짜 개좋은데 사볼에서 쓰레기 곡 쓰라고 주문넣는듯요 ㅋㅋ
곡은 잘 모르겠는데 채보가....
そんなに酷い曲かねえ、これ 普通に好きだけども
難そうな曲名(英語やギリシャ文字)、有名作曲者でﾄﾞｩﾙﾙﾙ鳴ってたら20なるんだね😅
ギリシャ文字は分かるけど英語タイトルを難しく感じるのは教養の問題じゃね
@@Noone-dh7yg 伝え方が良くなかった
高難度の曲(Lv.19,20)って英語が多いってこと！
实在是很难称之为音乐的一曲😂
みんな酷評で草
自分は良いスピコアだと思うんだけどなぁ......
譜面は置いといて
상당히 별로 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 노래소리도 잘 안들리고 좋지도 않고 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Too much effects going on
노래를 만들라고 노래를
皆beatmaniaやろうぜ
곡 똥같이 쓰네
곡도 곡이지만 채보도 너무 난해한데...
엘도라라서 잘 안 보이는것뿐인건가
누가 사볼에 카멘 더퍼스트 넣으라했어
곡은 괜찮은데 FX가 멜로딕한 부분을 다 잡아먹네
어느 부분이 어떻게 괜찮음..? 외국 좆볼 잼민이들도 nofx로 들어봤자 좋을거 하나도 없다고 짜치고 가는데 ㅋㅋ
주관적 갓곡 갓채보 그 2번째
初プレイ時の感想 こっちくんなｗｗｗ（VF19.4だけど一発クリアできた）
내가 아는 카메리아님은 이런 똥곡을 쓰지 않아!!!!
曲は別に良いと思うんだけどさ、ボルテ運営って譜面難しくする時にトリルと階段置く事しか出来ないの？って感じ
譜面のレパートリーがあまりにも少なすぎる。他の鍵盤ゲーやってもう少し知識つけてから譜面作って欲しい
そりゃこの曲と言ったら爆速トリルなんよ...
そんなこと言うならサドンデスのラス殺し見てきて、どうぞ
@@iolight-p7p ボルテの中でしか生きてこなかったんかな？としか思えない返信ですね
形こそ違えど短い階段とFXが不規則に並んでるだけで単押ししかないのは同じなんだよね、ラスサビもほぼ全部階段とトリルだけなんだけどあれ難しいと言うよりただただ早い鍵盤配置して人間かどうかテストしてるだけに見える
perditus†paradisusやHexathlonのCynic式乱打みたいな地力系で攻められるエフェクターが極端に少ないって話よ
곡은 평타치는데 이펙트가망침
어느 부분이 어떻게 평타를 침..? 외국 좆볼 잼민이들도 nofx로 들어봤자 좋을거 하나도 없다고 짜치고 가는데 ㅋㅋ
かめりあがオワコンになった瞬間
前からこんな感じの曲は割と作ってるから個人的にあんまり違和感はないけど
ボルテってオワコン？
好きだったんだけど...
曲がゴミなせいで譜面もゴミになったいい例