@@Invictus-Solaris the 1100 model. But tbh I don’t think there’s much to worry. It’s only happened to like 1% of them which is relatively small. I know 1200 model just came out a few months ago so not much can be known there although Austin Evans said 1200 runs better.
@@otogigamer problem with that train of thought is that the console is stored vertical and isn't horizontal till someone puts it that way outside the box.
had my ps5 for 3 years now just recently opened it up to replace the hdmi port decided to check the paste crap and guess what it never moved the whole time i have had my ps5 and it's been vertical the whole time too so these videos by these ppl are nothing but click bait scare crap to get more views and likes and it's absolutely disgusting. trust me ppl if this was a thing we all would of heard about it way before now, your ps5,s are okay go play ''em and stop worrying
@@Woodzta there's got to be some sort of risk why do you think most PC gamers don't use liquid metal seen as most PCs are vertical there is one thing I would never use liquid metal on my PC that's for sure
None of us have heard of this issue until last week and we have a bunch of people running around like headless chickens. And shame on the media outlets that ran with this story. 9.9/10 your PS5 will be okay.
@@Puremindgames Usually issues are widespread. These are almost separate instances. We’ve seen more stick drift and power supply issues than Liquid Metal leaking.
@JonDough If the issue is time sensitive, everyone will be different. People who had it horizontal until yesterday, for example, could have 2 years before anything happened, the people who never have it vertically will never have the problem. It's entirely possible they just opened their console and didn't put it back correctly and it leaked, we don't know.
That's how the internet works. Every time someone has a problem with a game console, thousands of people start screaming like it's the second coming of the RRoD. Every console has a small failure rate.
The whole worry about the liquid metal came from what a dude saw in a repair shop. I would think the percentage is extremely small if there are millions sold and he is only seeing a handful with that issue. And who really knows how most of the owners bringing them in actually took care of anything. It might be best on Sony's part to at least see if there is a bad batch that made it into the wild.
For every product, especially for consumer electronics, there is always a margin for failure. Usually that margin is very tiny, like 1%. Not like RRoD which was well over 50%.
Yeah, I agree. Sony did actually had this problem before, especially with a PS4 pro why it sounded like a jet. I had to replace my with a higher quality thermal compound and put more on it. I never had the issue again. Because Sony put too little into their thermal compounds which caused a majority of the Systems to overheat
The issue seems blown out of proportion much like that supposed "Worse Model" I haven't had any issues out of mine but I keep all my consoles horizontal.
It’s a conspiracy theory just like the joy con fail rate. Had 4 pairs of Joy Cons since launch including my launch pair as well as the Splatoon pair imported from Japan in October 2017 and none have suffered drift. I’m not usually this lucky, trust me. I had the PS5 since launch, hardly turned off as I just usually put it on rest mode, opened it up and no issues to speak of. Hyperbole hysteric reactions and jumping at shadows are common themes among the gaming community.
@@cbgg1585 just because you got lucky with your joy cons doesn't mean there's a conspiracy... I have had two of them drift, and so has a friend of mine. There's tons of anecdotal evidence, otherwise Nintendo wouldn't have replaced or fixed joy cons in the US for free.
@@cbgg1585 You are delusional if you don’t think joycon drift is an issue. Last I read about it, 40% of joycons are affected by drift. You think Nintendo of all companies would let you send them in and fix it for free, no questions asked, if it wasn’t an issue?
@@cbgg1585 But you are right about the PS5 liquid metal leakage and the 1100 refresh. We would have heard substantial coverage of this before now if it was a big enough issue for most people to be concerned about.
Thanks for the reassuring info. I’ve had my ps5 for about a year now and it’s been vertical this whole time. I’ve also played about 400 hours during this time too. Heard this news and was about to move it horizontal (which can work for my set up but I don’t like how it looks) but now i will just leave it. Keep it up!
As I've echoed several times, 99% of people are probably going to be fine and never experience an issue. That said, this is definitely more than a few isolated cases. I've seen several myself, and I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a big repair tech. Most of my repairs these days are done for content and bought as faulty on eBay. What I agree with here is Sony definitely does apply too much liquid metal on the PS5, and because of that it causes the liquid to pool up on the left side of the APU. The thing going around about how they're all drop damage consoles is absurd. If you think about it, all it takes is vibrations, give it long enough and that liquid metal will eventually start to seep into other areas. The density does help it, but at the same time I've had cases where there's no evidence at all of any kind of drop, and it's made its' way under the protective foam and under the black gasket (the video that wololo quoted). One problem is wololo did misquote my video, stating I had claimed the console I worked on was stored without being used at all. That wasn't true, and has since been corrected. What I said in my video three months ago was that the console hadn't been opened by a technican, and that the seals were in tact so the only way it could have leaked was through natural causes. It's amazing though how so many people, uneducated people (not yourself) are weighing in on this without any knowledge of how the system is built. Not only that but the amount of non tech channels, such as gaming channels, who are creating videos just for the views. This will all blow over, in my opinion it's been way over hyped. But I'll take the free traffic from it all the same 🤣
I saw the story followed pretty quickly by watching your Sept. video, and I don't know how from that people think you're being malicious about this all. Seen too many people attack you specifically and just dismiss the entire thing because they don't like how you look. It's an issue that could hit 1% of users, and that eventually could mean about a million systems if nothing is changed on Sony's end. I guess the good news is that with everyone wanting to just ignore the warning, the issue will just become an easy source of repairable boards.
Yes - But the issue as it's described is that gravity would cause most of the metal would pool at the bottom. Another issue I'm wondering is: How will consumers (or even sony) replace the liquid metal down the line? All thermal compounds need to be replaced at some point. If the seal is already having issues, this could prove problematic for anything but certain non conductive thermal pastes.
@@quiethours1818 liquid metal will sip out regardless, at that time it will just wait for you to move the console or kill the components around the die.
@@quiethours1818 At the bottom? 🙄😆 LM isn't as liquid as much as water ,plus it would kill your electronics immediately as it's HIGHLY conductive . But they are transported in trucks across not always Great roads and not always perfect driving and turbulance in airplaines. All the vibrations and bumps would make them all either Dead On Arrival OR as soon as you turned them ON.
My thoughts exactly. I love my PS5 but I hate the way it looks, and it only looks worse horizonal. I will trade it in asap if the slim or pro is more traditional. And then this liquid metal issue will be someone else's issue.
As always, don't really care if there's a problem with a device as long as the companies willing to replace it. Defects happen. It's the response that matters
Sony has the worst refund/replacement service of any company and this will definitely be past warranty being it’s a year and the console is 2 years old
I think the biggest risk by far is before it gets into stores. Like with a mix of production and shipping, there's a much, MUCH higher chance of something going wrong than being in a still position at your house. Still nowhere near a RRoD and not even at yellow light of death territory
I have a day 1 PS5. It’s been in a horizontal position for the most part. It gets heavy use. I haven’t experienced any issues. I’d be interested to see what the liquid mental looks like in mine but I expect if I opened it up to take a look I would go from a PS5 that works perfectly fine to a broken one 😂
I've been watching TronicsFix repair PS5s for a couple of years now, the only ones with liquid metal issues were the ones worked on before he got them, by people that didn't know how to handle it, oh and one that had been run over by a car, one dropped down a 10 story stairway. (On purpose for a RUclips video)
The problem with that train of thought though, is that tronicsfix isn't really a "true" repair tech I wouldn't say. I don't think he takes customer repairs, so he doesn't really see that many. He also often doesn't actually repair consoles, he just replaces the board, and funnily enough he's sent boards for repair twice to the guy that's made the ps5 liquid metal issue claims twice because hes seen the issue a fair few times.
For the PS4 Pro it's the ram that makes the fan spin really fast. Just replace the thermal paste with thermal paste and use Minus 8 pads of the same size on the ram. Completely eliminates high fan spin. Test with Horizon Zero Dawn game.
The main challenge Sony had was to find a way to automate liquid metal application. Anyone who has ever used this material knows how hard it is to get it to 'byte' originally. The issue here, which is valid, is that the PS5 has about twice the liquid metal that is needed for a chip! This means that it pools and moves and, unlike your PS4 Pro application that you did, it is the excess that would cause the concern. I have done many chips and never had this issue but you literally use a pin-head of liquid metal on the cpu and also the heatsink (non aluminum obviously). So the risk doesn't surprise me and there would be a greater risk of overheat or leak just due to the sheer amount of the liquid used. If the seals hold then cool but LM also attracts LM so it 'pools' and it may drag more LM from the chip as it pools at the bottom. LM gets absorbed into copper as well so there are a bunch of variables but I don't think you can compare the automated LM application on a PS5 to what you did on your PS4 Pro! If done in the right amount and with the right care there should be zero risk (bar that of how other metals react to LM over time). So I don't find this risk on a PS5 unwarranted due to HOW the LM is applied and how MUCH they use! They also don't use a resin layer over the caps close to the die and opted for a plastic tape type thing, which doesn't guarantee it won't leak. If you drop, or give the PS5 enough of a jolt it could unsettle the seals in place and cause it to to stop working. So yeah, risks are minimal but there are risks none-the-less, and anyone who has used LM will see that what Sony has done actually increases the risk of leakage or overheating over time. Great video and I don't think panic is needed, but horizontal placement should be 'advised' for long term ownership IMHO.
The reason Sony applies a lot of liquid metal is because the liquid metal in the console is expected to not ever be reapplied for the life of the console. The liquid metal reacts and gets absorbed into the contact plate over time, as you’ve mentioned. In a situation where no one is opening up the whole thing to check and reapply the liquid metal for years and years on end, the best option is to apply enough of it to last the life of the console and put barriers around it to ensure it doesn’t conduct any surrounding components. If they applied the “correct” amount of liquid metal, all of the PS 5s would face decreased performance and overheating issues in the first few years. This is why liquid metal producers for the pc market recommend yearly reapplication, because they know the diyers aren’t putting enough of it to need custom made barriers and the performance will start taking a hit once time passes and some of the liquid metal is absorbed into the virgin contact plate metals.
Ive had my console since launch. It has been vertical the whole time. I have had no issues with it. I did put it horizontal after this news came out but I will be putting it back vertical honestly. I think its more of how the consoles have been treated by people. Ive told people who Ive bought them for to make sure they don't bang them around to much. I would guess the shock would allow the metal to seep pasted the barriers if it was jarred hard enough.
@crookdletterj6734 people still think anyone cares what console is "better" lol we are all here to enjoy the games these consoles play. That's all that matters. The games I enjoy are on playstation, I have zero interest in any Xbox series of games. You can go give your useless hate to someone who feels like a pointless argument.
@racerxtc69 I have passion for the games, not hardware. I've owned many brands of consoles. I buy them because they have games I want to play. Like I bought a switch to play breath of the wild. Sure I have other games for it, maybe 10 total... I'm just not a competitive person and don't really care for what I consider dumb drama. I think playstation has better exclusives
My PS5 was purchased in October 2021, and since then, I didn't encounter any sort of problem related to overheating. The only time I noticed some issues with this was when I played Sonic Frontiers, the PS5 got pretty hot and the fan started kicking up a bit, but that probably has something to do with the optimisation of the game itself or maybe with the fact I didn't use the PS5 for about two months before playing Frontiers.
@@crazychase98 yeah, Frontiers has some issues, it barely ever keeps 20 fps when in 4k-mode and in 60-fps mode it still has drops and muddy textures. I've been playing some more Ratchet and Clank and Death Stranding and it certainly is just as quite and cool as before.
Same as others I have had my console since launch vertically. I also have a disc system since June 2021, again vertical. No issues thus far. I am seeing this more as a "could happen" situation if there was a defect in the system when it was put together, like most any other tech imo.
am I the only one that sees the terminator cop face in the liquid metal at 5:57, I have also heard that dropping the system can cause spillage of liquid metal.
Thanks for this Jon, I trust your judgment on this one. Until this becomes a known widespread issue like RRoD I think people are just way overreacting. Mine will be staying vertical as not only does it just look better standing up, but I would have to rearrange my entire gaming space to accommodate it laying down
continue to play with fire dumbass.... (its incredible how many people dont understand BASIC physic!) Personally my PS1 was standing flat , same for my PS2 , PS3 , PS4 and i made the same on PS5 DAY ONE !
I appreciate your videos calmly trying to explain to people what’s going on with this Liquid Metal problem. It’s a good way to stop people from going into hysterics about their PS5s.
Literally do not believe the rumours. I've opened mine up and it's absolutely fine. It's been standing up since release day and it has been knocked over a few times but it's absolutely perfect inside
For keeping my PS5 lasting longer I 1). Turn it off at the powerboard (and pull the plug out while not using it), and 2). Place a "pillow slip" over my "vertical" set up so it doesn't accumulate dust. That's all I can do to to maintain it (well, I don't know if the pillow slip idea actually works - lol). Otherwise while I'm playing a game on disc I pump up the air conditioning in my room. All I can hope for is for the longest life-span of my console as possible. But I think it's already a yes to upgrade to a PS5 Slim or Pro when released, So hopefully - Sony will have definitely learnt some important things by the time they pump out their next pressed consoles.
Everyone should have it horizontal now. It's common sense. You have liquid, and theres thermal expansion happening over and over again around a seal that is not tough enough. And the liquid metal will pool at the bottom of seal.
You hear that pc people who have used Liquid Metal for years? Your vertically oriented motherboards in 99.9% of PC cases are going to fail, especially since a human applied that Liquid Metal, rather than a machine with precision. No, this is a complete non issue, outside of a literal handful of consoles that MIGHT have been affected.
@@bloomerb4162 I’m failing to understand your counterpoint. Its still a vertical orientation, so the laws of physics would still apply. It doesn’t matter whether or not it’s a pc or ps5, or any other computer. If a thermal transfer medium of Liquid Metal between a heat sink and a component is being used, it would still show the same results due to gravity. The main issue would be down to a manufacturing defect, or someone man-handling their console.
Ive had my PS5 since April of 2020, and “knock on wood” it performs quite well. The only issue I’ve had is sometimes i get something that sounds like coil whine but cycling the power on the system corrects that, it inly ever happened after turning back on from rest mode never from a cold boot. I sometimes use my PS5 or leave it on for hours at a time snd it works just fine. I have. Series X as well and despite the very first one shipped to me didn’t work the next one Microsoft sent works just as well well as my PS5. I know the Liquid Metal story came from a repair shop owner, got picked up by the media and overblown much like everything else the media touches does. I said to myself if the PS5 has been out since 2020 and this hasn’t been an issue until now, for one it might not affect launch models, and/or its a small sample size that affected some users such as Microsoft’s having some Series X’s with PSU issues and not turning on. If it was as big as the media over blew more people would have complained already and there would no doubt be a class action and there hasn’t been any (yet) so its most likely overblown by a repair tech thats trying to get some attention by saying something crazy.
Even if this only affects a small percentage I'm not going to take the risk so it's going to be horizontal from now on at least until I get a pro or slim version.
@@TheConuresrule the liquid metal leaking is how my buddies PS5 died on him. He took it to a repair shop and when they opened it up it had liquid metal in the inside
But it's not true that's the point lol and if your seal breaks, the liquid will still break the console no matter the orientation it's in that's some goofy thinking.
@@DP12321 That’s not entirely true. You can prevent them from dying. It’s just extremely hard to do. Way harder than drilling holes or replacing capacitors which can only make things worse.
@@KellsKats it's basically a losing battle at this point. I've seen so many people try and fail to fix them by reballing and new thermal paste and it's just a band-aid at that point.
@baseballreg123 Definitely don't get one. Any fixes are just temporary. Get a PS3 Slim and PS2 Slim, that's what I've got and they're built like tanks.
I think this is a good thing to be brought since it's something that can happen but until it's mass report by multiple people than won't be something to worry about
And this makes sense Jon. Great explanation. My theory is that for the one's that were affected, if it wasn't tampered with by opening it and messing with the components, those units were probably shipped with little to no barrier around the liquid metal chip and compound, because it could have somehow broken down in transit. And just happening to have it in the vertical orientation was enough to short the whole board. And if it indeed IS an overheating issue, you would have to wonder where people would have their console in their setup, whether it was in cabinet or not, regardless of the orientation.
It was advertised vertically I remember watching the showcase that revealed the ps5 and it was vertical . I think it was designed for that way if they showcased it like that just a thought 🤷🏽♂️
Foam and plastic in general degrades over time. So I would say. After a few years of heat. The foam will deteriorate and eventually turn brittle. At which point maybe the liquid metal will start dripping out
@@GameslordXY sponge still deteriorates as well. If it's the same sponge like material I use when building electronics it needs to be changed out over time
I don't have a PS5 yet but when I do, I plan on keeping it horizontal as I have with all of my consoles. I mean back in the day, there was the concern that setting a console vertically might scratch up the disc and well, that was true but only when people moved the console while it was turned on. This report about liquid metal seeping out of the sides and causing catastrophic failure is concerning. It would be interesting if Sony would give an official statement. It would also be interesting if it turns out this rumored 'D Chassis' PS5 model quietly further gets redesigned to minimize this being a problem.
Just got mine 5 days ago and since day 1 is been horizontal inside my tv stand and daaaamn that it gets hot sometimes lmao hope you get yours anytime soon
It's going to interesting see how Sony counters this issue as they promote the PS5 vertically. I've been putting the PS5 vertically due to it taking less space. But I might have to put it horizontal due to this issue, can't risk it.
Have had my PS5 for over a year now and no issues. Most of that time it was vertical and just changed it recently when I got a new entertainment center.
I am sure many manufactures have looked into liquid metal as cooling is a big issue with todays chips and it has been out for a while now. It seems to me most engineers have concluded that the benefits in large production don't outweigh the cost or possible issues.
If they do, it’ll run hotter and you’ll cry harder. Best case, they figure out a way to prevent this. Worst case, they do f all and we live with it, like we have done on headline grabbing defects in the switch, ps4, 360, ps3, original xbox & tbh every console.
For over a year my ps5 has been vertical since I got it. No problems so far and our ps5 is our main entertainment system. If the TV is on the ps5 is on. So our ps5 is on for over 12 hours a day
There is always the risk of this with liquid metal, its pretty unavoidable for a handfull of systems have issues. Doesnt seem like a big problem, and im just gonna send it and keep it vertical. If it dies it dies I mostly play on PC anyways. Unrelated my PS5 has pretty bad coil whine so thats fun.
@@GameslordXY ehhh for me it’s so quite that I can’t hear it unless I have all sound turned off in my room. And if it gets worse I’ll just replace it myself.
@@imoffendedthatyouareoffended You will replace that yourself? Careful you don't mess up something. That's how stories like these are born. People think they know how to fix and put back together something... except they don't.
alright this is weird but i do think horizontal keeps ur system cooler honestly cuz about 18months of daily ps5 us my ps5 did start shutting down after 2 or 3 gameplay hours and i went to unscrew the base while the ps5 was in vertical standing and that metal screw you tighten was abnormally hot. i sat my ps5 in the horizontal position ever since and it works great still never shutting down and still super quite.
I have to keep my consoles horizontal anyway because my furry menace likes to get into trouble and rather than risk her knocking them over, they’re on their sides. Where she promptly sleeps on them.
I don't think there's a major issue with the liquid metal, I am concerned a bit for longer term lifespan of a ps5 past the next gen release. though at least with the next gen console they should support ps4/ps5 fairly easy
The reason why Sony put on so much liquid metal is to ensure that it doesn’t need to be reapplied for the life of the console. Liquid metal will react with the metal of the contact plate over time and some of it will get absorbed into the metal, decreasing performance if there is not enough if it left. Too much liquid metal risks overflowing and conducting the surrounding components together that shouldn’t be conducted, hence the barrier Sony put in. Sony did what they needed to do to ensure liquid metal could be functional for the life of the console. It’s good practice to apply enough liquid metal in any scenario, as long as it doesn’t touch surrounding components.
I did put my ps5 down horizontally after hearing this news just to be safe. At least in that position, I don't have the issue of putting the disc backwards.
When you use the console vertically, it overheats. I have my console for almost a year and I have made the difference. I deactivated the rest mode and I left it on for 24 hours in vertical mode and a another day I did the same thing horizontally and it didn't even heat up. If you have the choice between horizontal or vertical, it depends on the structure of your furniture, I recommend putting your console horizontally.i had no issue with mine but vertically its overheating since i have it.i have also bought an external fan for it but in horizontal,i don't need it except in vertical mode
@@deadrizen this! Ppl dont pay attention on how to maintain electronics and reduce risk of failure. My brother had his in a tiny cube close to carpet without its stand. Ground floor. Ripped that shit right out and setup it up properly for him. Then there was one of my friends....had it upside for who knows how long😤
I wonder if there’s something else more to the issue that’s not being correlated. Something that in a controlled test environment you don’t catch, but in the real world shows it’s ugly head. Maybe more humid climates?, how about ones that run hotter from dust or hair?, smoking or vaping near one messing with the seal? Any other ideas?
I've had my ps5 about 2 years now and after a year of having it, it started switching itself off after around 30 mins of gameplay on a ps5 game I noticed after playing a ps4 game on my ps5 it ran fine and didn't crash it was only switching off running ps5 games it turns out there is bit of a flaw in the design as the power supply vent holes are quite small and are prone to blocking about 80% of the holes were blocked So the power supply unit would overheat when more strenuously used ie more power needed for ps5 games and not so much power used playing ps4 games so it wasn't the system overhearing hence why I wasn't getting overheating warnings before it switched off so yeah took it apart and cleaned everything and it hasn't crashed once since. Maybe people have taken their ps5s apart but accidentally unscrewed the heatsink by mistake causing the liquid metal to leak 🤔
Let's assume it only affects like 2% of all PS5s produced. Do I wanna risk mine to see if it's on this percentage or not? Nope, it's horizontal forever now.
I’ve had mine for less than a year setup vertically and just caught wind of this yesterday. My console has been sitting atop my subwoofer this whole time and I got concerned that the vibrations may cause an issue. It’s now horizontal and yes I had to rearrange half the room to accommodate this 😂.
I just got a PS5 for Christmas, I absolutely want to do everything I can to take care of it This has been really irritating to understand what to do, I appreciate you going through this
Talked about a lot? 2 consoles supposedly have had the issue, out of 30 million sold. What’s with the blowing out of proportion lately? You’d thing it’s the next Red Ring or Yellow Light of death with the way it’s been framed.
Only 2 reported from repair shops. That doesn't include all of the ones sent in to Sony that were never caught traction wise on social media? People are just being more safe than sorry.
@@BorisTheGoose92 but it still seems a bit blown out of proportion. If Sony designed the console to be used vertically, then it should be able to be used vertically.
@@Q0T0J It's always going to be blown out of proportion. People are irrational. If this happens to even 3% of consoles stood vertically after 2 years, it still deserves addressing though. Does it mean it's going to happen to you? Of course not.
@@BorisTheGoose92 If you want to believe 2 repair shops that have said it’s an issue are more reliable than the dozens of well experienced engineers that spent multiple years designing the console then be my guest.
@@NoonDragoon I mean maybe just maybe I'm not blaming the engineers, but rather the fact that there MAY be small bits of possible QA issues that could come up. It's all about being safer than sorry. Engineers may not make the mistake and machines may lower failure rate, but over time these machines need calibrated/checked for errors. Sometimes between those times 1 or 2 can get through. Again it's no blame on anyone. I'm just saying if you were one of these people with this issue would you still be saying "Wow I sure did trust the engineers." No you'd be upset that your now $500 ugly Dyson vacuum looking electronic is dead.
I've had my PS5 vertical an I've had no problem since I've had it. The barrier their helps to stop the liquid metal from going everywhere. We know that liquid metal can be messy to other metal or be a conductor. There's also three chips on the board in the PS5 that gets sent through the PS5 that sends through to say hey we need to cool down an the fan speeds up but that's only if you are pushing the PS5 hard on all settings. If you run the PS5 less hard it won't over heat etc.
This was very coincidental for me. Mine shut off suddenly one night during a play session, and it felt very hot. The next day i took it apart and saw that it was very dusty, but my friend also sent me the liquid metal article that was going around that same day. I took out my fan and removed all the dust i saw and laid it down horizontally instead of vertically. So far it's been great. This makes me wonder. I keep mine in a decently open area, but having it since launch I've never cleaned out the dust internally. How many of these reports are people who also never cleaned it and keep it in enclosed spaces? After watching this video I'm thinking it had more to do with it being dusty, so I'll probably stand it back up (fits better in my room). If anything, I'm thinking this is a lesson in maintenance.
@Scott Pilgrim Oh yes, I recall. I also have owned many consoles, having them inside enclosed spaces is not a good idea. Problem is not everyone is aware or reads. I'm just speculating.
Mine has been placed in vertical position the majority of the 2 years I had it. I had one time where the PS5 had a weird boot-up, but restarting it fixed it and had no problems since.
I have to keep my PS5 horizontal because the shelf it's on is too low for it to be upright. Ironically I wanted it upright for a while but I'll keep it flat until we hear more about whether this is a "real" issue or just people worrying about nothing
I'm not taking the risk anymore of placing it vertical. Even though right now the problem might be a fluke I still feel like years down the line that liquid metal and the thin foam around it is going to cause issues.
@@InfectedEliteI understand your comment but mostly that was very stupid from what you said because do you really think people have money to just buy another one are you serious 🤦🏽
Arctic silver 5 is conductive but not as conductive as LM. Arctic MX4 is carbon based so it’s not conductive. These chips are getting hotter and hotter and engineers are running out of ways to keep them cool regardless of die size. Asking for a slim model is like asking Sony to underclock the APU to operate efficiently in a smaller form factor (which is what the Series S is to the Series X) but people have the impression they can make the system smaller and have nearly the same power which is a huge misconception and doesn’t line up with the reality of the thermodynamics of these devices. Anything more powerful than a Series X would probably need water cooling and it’s like you might as well be buying a PC because why pay the upcharge for a console that is limited it makes no sense to pay over a grand to be trapped in an ecosystem that only allows you to play games and consume media while paying a subscription fee.
Wear & Tear and Tolerances apply here. So my guess is that when it heats up, the tolerances give way a space for a leak to occur, and if there's out of spec quantity of liquid metal, then you get the leak.
I use my ps5 like a workhorse. i've owned it now for nearly 2 years in the vertical position 0 problems other then i should probably clean the dust out of it.
Not PS5, but I remember looking into having a setup with my laptop vertical, and there were testimonies that liquid metals may leak since generally laptops weren't designed to prevent that in the long run. Scared the crap out of me, so I didnt risk it. So, I can totally see it happening to PS5. It seems Sony did add a pretty good containment for it though.
Ive had my ps5 since launch and have always had it set up vertically. The problem I’ve had was that my ps5 will randomly turn off and the only way to turn it back on is to disconnect the power. I researched on how i could fix this and moving the ps5 to horizontal was a possible solution. This did not work. I pulled the fan and thoroughly cleaned it and that did not fix it. What i realized is that having the certain games on the external ssd drive i.e. GT7, GOW Ranorak, and MWII made the ssd overheat. I moved them to the internal ssd and the issue was resolved. I don’t think it had anything to do with the positioning of the ps5. Other than that have not had any problems for two years plus
Hmm, this story has me wondering if I should figure out a way to mount it horizontally. It would take some doing and hopefully will leave enough space on the side that used to be the top for adequate heat dispersal.
Had mine vertical for a little over a year and it still runs fine. Though it recently started infrequently dropping frames when I'm watching something, be it streaming or a physical disc, until I pause and unpause it. Playing a game? Runs perfectly smooth. Watching a bluray or something on Netflix? It's gonna look choppy at random moments. Doubt that has anything to do with the system being vertical, though.
Not it does not. If you are using 4k video you can go into the screen and video settings and change the 4k transfer rate to your liking. If something is truly wrong itd be the ps5 itself.
@fadel ray Tried it just in case, because I've just left my PS5 on automatic since I got it, but it didn't do anything. Also I've had it hooked to a 1080p TV for a while, to make do. It worked perfectly fine ever since I got it and then randomly started getting choppy with anything that would be found under the media tab. I didn't change any settings or anything. It just started happening on its own one day.
I find it funny how people keep saying OH! there’s nothing to worry about just keep playing it in vertical position. It’s the stupidity that makes me laugh so hard. The guy who gave us this info has a point just because it hasn’t happened to us yet doesn’t mean it won’t soon unless you change its position. The gravity makes sense. If the liquid metal starts to heat up and is dropping down on the seal eventually it will start to seep out. Let’s not act like these companies spent a ton of money on a seal to full protect the liquid metal. They use as much cheap parts as possible. Do y’all really think these companies are you friends like Sony wouldn’t do this to it consumers👀👀👀 Y’all better wake. I had mine vertically as well but do you think I’m gonna continue to take that risk or do the smart thing and turn it horizontally. I rather the console look ugly then to spend another $500 👀
Ps5 has been good to me so far. Have had mine 3 months. On the other hand my series X was a crashing mess but luckily got a new one from warranty that’s been great
Mine has been in a vertical position for over a year and i don’t have room to put horizontally. I’m just gonna have to leave it that way. The PS5 was designed to be vertical and i just don’t think this gonna be a widespread issue like the Xbox 360 RRoD.
well, I may be a wimp but I did lay mine flat after this. I have owned it since release day and it has always been vertical. But I do not have the means to replace it and I have the space, and I doubt Sony would warrant it after so many years.
I picked up my PS4 PRO used. It sounded like a deranged hovercraft when playing anything. After a great deep clean, replacing all thermal pads, and installing IC graphite, it's super quiet. Zero heat issues.
I have had my PS5 since launch, set in the vertical position, and I play it daily for about three hours. So far, I have had no issues at all.
I think it’s more of the newer models that have the issues though.
@@Dudj3 I got mine last year and everything has been perfect still, so define “newer models.”
@@Invictus-Solaris the 1100 model. But tbh I don’t think there’s much to worry. It’s only happened to like 1% of them which is relatively small. I know 1200 model just came out a few months ago so not much can be known there although Austin Evans said 1200 runs better.
That's all fine till gravity wins
@@otogigamer problem with that train of thought is that the console is stored vertical and isn't horizontal till someone puts it that way outside the box.
had my ps5 for 3 years now just recently opened it up to replace the hdmi port decided to check the paste crap and guess what it never moved the whole time i have had my ps5 and it's been vertical the whole time too so these videos by these ppl are nothing but click bait scare crap to get more views and likes and it's absolutely disgusting. trust me ppl if this was a thing we all would of heard about it way before now, your ps5,s are okay go play ''em and stop worrying
It seems like some isolated incidents getting blown out of proportions. If this was as bad as the joycon drifts, then it would be an issue.
I don't have the space to lay it down with my PS5 so hopefully these are just silly scare tactics
How can you have had it 3 years didn't come out until November 2020 as we are only just going into 2023 🤔🤔🤔🤔
"It has never happened to me so it can't possibly be an issue".
@@Woodzta there's got to be some sort of risk why do you think most PC gamers don't use liquid metal seen as most PCs are vertical there is one thing I would never use liquid metal on my PC that's for sure
None of us have heard of this issue until last week and we have a bunch of people running around like headless chickens. And shame on the media outlets that ran with this story. 9.9/10 your PS5 will be okay.
It's sad really, just goes to show how many people will believe anything you tell them.
That would be how issues that take time to develop work.
@@Puremindgames Usually issues are widespread. These are almost separate instances. We’ve seen more stick drift and power supply issues than Liquid Metal leaking.
@JonDough If the issue is time sensitive, everyone will be different. People who had it horizontal until yesterday, for example, could have 2 years before anything happened, the people who never have it vertically will never have the problem. It's entirely possible they just opened their console and didn't put it back correctly and it leaked, we don't know.
That's how the internet works. Every time someone has a problem with a game console, thousands of people start screaming like it's the second coming of the RRoD. Every console has a small failure rate.
I now set it to horizontal position, even though it is not as ideal for my setup I’m not taking any chances.
Same here. Better safe than sorry.
This was my decision as well
Same
Ya same here I did immediately. Have 1200 model but they prob kept that part the same so being safe
I'm torn, I want to but I like it vertical. I'm thinking if it breaks Sony better fix it when I send it in.
The whole worry about the liquid metal came from what a dude saw in a repair shop. I would think the percentage is extremely small if there are millions sold and he is only seeing a handful with that issue. And who really knows how most of the owners bringing them in actually took care of anything. It might be best on Sony's part to at least see if there is a bad batch that made it into the wild.
For every product, especially for consumer electronics, there is always a margin for failure. Usually that margin is very tiny, like 1%. Not like RRoD which was well over 50%.
@@fattiger6957 facts
Yeah, I agree. Sony did actually had this problem before, especially with a PS4 pro why it sounded like a jet. I had to replace my with a higher quality thermal compound and put more on it. I never had the issue again. Because Sony put too little into their thermal compounds which caused a majority of the Systems to overheat
Ya don’t say
@@takuminightcore1886 Or you could have just cleaned it like everyone else.
The issue seems blown out of proportion much like that supposed "Worse Model"
I haven't had any issues out of mine but I keep all my consoles horizontal.
It’s a conspiracy theory just like the joy con fail rate. Had 4 pairs of Joy Cons since launch including my launch pair as well as the Splatoon pair imported from Japan in October 2017 and none have suffered drift. I’m not usually this lucky, trust me.
I had the PS5 since launch, hardly turned off as I just usually put it on rest mode, opened it up and no issues to speak of.
Hyperbole hysteric reactions and jumping at shadows are common themes among the gaming community.
@@cbgg1585 just because you got lucky with your joy cons doesn't mean there's a conspiracy... I have had two of them drift, and so has a friend of mine. There's tons of anecdotal evidence, otherwise Nintendo wouldn't have replaced or fixed joy cons in the US for free.
@@cbgg1585
You are delusional if you don’t think joycon drift is an issue. Last I read about it, 40% of joycons are affected by drift. You think Nintendo of all companies would let you send them in and fix it for free, no questions asked, if it wasn’t an issue?
@@cbgg1585
But you are right about the PS5 liquid metal leakage and the 1100 refresh. We would have heard substantial coverage of this before now if it was a big enough issue for most people to be concerned about.
@Cbg G "I didn't see JFK get assassinated so it didn't happen" "I never got the flu so the flu doesn't exist" probably things you also say
Thanks for the reassuring info. I’ve had my ps5 for about a year now and it’s been vertical this whole time. I’ve also played about 400 hours during this time too. Heard this news and was about to move it horizontal (which can work for my set up but I don’t like how it looks) but now i will just leave it. Keep it up!
continue to play with fire and someday you will cry over yourself
@@markhamilton3215???
As I've echoed several times, 99% of people are probably going to be fine and never experience an issue. That said, this is definitely more than a few isolated cases. I've seen several myself, and I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a big repair tech. Most of my repairs these days are done for content and bought as faulty on eBay. What I agree with here is Sony definitely does apply too much liquid metal on the PS5, and because of that it causes the liquid to pool up on the left side of the APU. The thing going around about how they're all drop damage consoles is absurd. If you think about it, all it takes is vibrations, give it long enough and that liquid metal will eventually start to seep into other areas. The density does help it, but at the same time I've had cases where there's no evidence at all of any kind of drop, and it's made its' way under the protective foam and under the black gasket (the video that wololo quoted).
One problem is wololo did misquote my video, stating I had claimed the console I worked on was stored without being used at all. That wasn't true, and has since been corrected. What I said in my video three months ago was that the console hadn't been opened by a technican, and that the seals were in tact so the only way it could have leaked was through natural causes.
It's amazing though how so many people, uneducated people (not yourself) are weighing in on this without any knowledge of how the system is built. Not only that but the amount of non tech channels, such as gaming channels, who are creating videos just for the views.
This will all blow over, in my opinion it's been way over hyped. But I'll take the free traffic from it all the same 🤣
I saw the story followed pretty quickly by watching your Sept. video, and I don't know how from that people think you're being malicious about this all. Seen too many people attack you specifically and just dismiss the entire thing because they don't like how you look.
It's an issue that could hit 1% of users, and that eventually could mean about a million systems if nothing is changed on Sony's end.
I guess the good news is that with everyone wanting to just ignore the warning, the issue will just become an easy source of repairable boards.
I'd think if the seal fails it's going to cause problems regardless of the orientation, they would just occur sooner in the vertical position.
Allot of people don’t understand this aspect
Yes - But the issue as it's described is that gravity would cause most of the metal would pool at the bottom. Another issue I'm wondering is: How will consumers (or even sony) replace the liquid metal down the line? All thermal compounds need to be replaced at some point. If the seal is already having issues, this could prove problematic for anything but certain non conductive thermal pastes.
@@quiethours1818 liquid metal will sip out regardless, at that time it will just wait for you to move the console or kill the components around the die.
@@quiethours1818
At the bottom?
🙄😆
LM isn't as liquid as much as water ,plus it would kill your electronics immediately as it's HIGHLY conductive .
But they are transported in trucks across not always Great roads and not always perfect driving and turbulance in airplaines.
All the vibrations and bumps
would make them all either Dead On Arrival OR as soon as you turned them ON.
@@quiethours1818 WRONG.
My PS5 has always been vertical
since launch. hopefully it can stay that way
It's way to big to lay horizontal
My thoughts exactly. I love my PS5 but I hate the way it looks, and it only looks worse horizonal. I will trade it in asap if the slim or pro is more traditional.
And then this liquid metal issue will be someone else's issue.
@@Jonnicom the slim is just going to look like the Digital version. Lol
That's what she said
That's a fact. And all the promotions are standing up 😂
"I ain't fuckin' leaving!!" 😂😂
I love the way it looks in any position but vertical looks better for the digital one and horizontal for the disc version.
Everytime he says "Liquid Metal" I can't help but think of Arnold's voice in T2: Judgment Day.
As always, don't really care if there's a problem with a device as long as the companies willing to replace it.
Defects happen.
It's the response that matters
Sony has the worst refund/replacement service of any company and this will definitely be past warranty being it’s a year and the console is 2 years old
@TheFather this big brain move who's your insurer
I think the biggest risk by far is before it gets into stores. Like with a mix of production and shipping, there's a much, MUCH higher chance of something going wrong than being in a still position at your house. Still nowhere near a RRoD and not even at yellow light of death territory
And yet it doesn't.
@@GameslordXY ???
@@gerboog that depends, it doesn't need high temperature to melt, it cold easily melt in a hot or not so cool cargo container
I have a day 1 PS5. It’s been in a horizontal position for the most part. It gets heavy use. I haven’t experienced any issues. I’d be interested to see what the liquid mental looks like in mine but I expect if I opened it up to take a look I would go from a PS5 that works perfectly fine to a broken one 😂
I’ve had my ps5 since launch standing vertical This entire time and have played extensively. Zero issues with it.
I've been watching TronicsFix repair PS5s for a couple of years now, the only ones with liquid metal issues were the ones worked on before he got them, by people that didn't know how to handle it, oh and one that had been run over by a car, one dropped down a 10 story stairway. (On purpose for a RUclips video)
The problem with that train of thought though, is that tronicsfix isn't really a "true" repair tech I wouldn't say. I don't think he takes customer repairs, so he doesn't really see that many. He also often doesn't actually repair consoles, he just replaces the board, and funnily enough he's sent boards for repair twice to the guy that's made the ps5 liquid metal issue claims twice because hes seen the issue a fair few times.
I’ve had no issues setting my PS5 vertically. I’ve had my PS5 since launch. So my system is now 2 years and a couple months old.
For the PS4 Pro it's the ram that makes the fan spin really fast. Just replace the thermal paste with thermal paste and use Minus 8 pads of the same size on the ram. Completely eliminates high fan spin. Test with Horizon Zero Dawn game.
It has nothing to do with the vertical position.
The main challenge Sony had was to find a way to automate liquid metal application. Anyone who has ever used this material knows how hard it is to get it to 'byte' originally. The issue here, which is valid, is that the PS5 has about twice the liquid metal that is needed for a chip! This means that it pools and moves and, unlike your PS4 Pro application that you did, it is the excess that would cause the concern. I have done many chips and never had this issue but you literally use a pin-head of liquid metal on the cpu and also the heatsink (non aluminum obviously). So the risk doesn't surprise me and there would be a greater risk of overheat or leak just due to the sheer amount of the liquid used. If the seals hold then cool but LM also attracts LM so it 'pools' and it may drag more LM from the chip as it pools at the bottom. LM gets absorbed into copper as well so there are a bunch of variables but I don't think you can compare the automated LM application on a PS5 to what you did on your PS4 Pro! If done in the right amount and with the right care there should be zero risk (bar that of how other metals react to LM over time). So I don't find this risk on a PS5 unwarranted due to HOW the LM is applied and how MUCH they use! They also don't use a resin layer over the caps close to the die and opted for a plastic tape type thing, which doesn't guarantee it won't leak. If you drop, or give the PS5 enough of a jolt it could unsettle the seals in place and cause it to to stop working. So yeah, risks are minimal but there are risks none-the-less, and anyone who has used LM will see that what Sony has done actually increases the risk of leakage or overheating over time. Great video and I don't think panic is needed, but horizontal placement should be 'advised' for long term ownership IMHO.
The reason Sony applies a lot of liquid metal is because the liquid metal in the console is expected to not ever be reapplied for the life of the console. The liquid metal reacts and gets absorbed into the contact plate over time, as you’ve mentioned. In a situation where no one is opening up the whole thing to check and reapply the liquid metal for years and years on end, the best option is to apply enough of it to last the life of the console and put barriers around it to ensure it doesn’t conduct any surrounding components.
If they applied the “correct” amount of liquid metal, all of the PS 5s would face decreased performance and overheating issues in the first few years. This is why liquid metal producers for the pc market recommend yearly reapplication, because they know the diyers aren’t putting enough of it to need custom made barriers and the performance will start taking a hit once time passes and some of the liquid metal is absorbed into the virgin contact plate metals.
Ive had my console since launch. It has been vertical the whole time. I have had no issues with it. I did put it horizontal after this news came out but I will be putting it back vertical honestly. I think its more of how the consoles have been treated by people. Ive told people who Ive bought them for to make sure they don't bang them around to much. I would guess the shock would allow the metal to seep pasted the barriers if it was jarred hard enough.
Sounds like shit design my kid.nailed my series x with his scooter and it still runs like a beast
@crookdletterj6734 people still think anyone cares what console is "better" lol we are all here to enjoy the games these consoles play. That's all that matters. The games I enjoy are on playstation, I have zero interest in any Xbox series of games. You can go give your useless hate to someone who feels like a pointless argument.
@Onisixx call it what it is. "Fanboy favoritism" or " product tribalism " Got to love the passion people have for consumer products.
@racerxtc69 I have passion for the games, not hardware. I've owned many brands of consoles. I buy them because they have games I want to play. Like I bought a switch to play breath of the wild. Sure I have other games for it, maybe 10 total... I'm just not a competitive person and don't really care for what I consider dumb drama. I think playstation has better exclusives
@@CrooKdLetterJ you're the type of person that ruins the fun for everyone, thanks for your support
Always kept all my consoles horizontal anyway. My PS5 is horizontal but damn, it is big and hard to find a spot
My PS5 was purchased in October 2021, and since then, I didn't encounter any sort of problem related to overheating. The only time I noticed some issues with this was when I played Sonic Frontiers, the PS5 got pretty hot and the fan started kicking up a bit, but that probably has something to do with the optimisation of the game itself or maybe with the fact I didn't use the PS5 for about two months before playing Frontiers.
Probably both fans got stuck from no use and doesn't that sonic game have issues anyway
@@crazychase98 yeah, Frontiers has some issues, it barely ever keeps 20 fps when in 4k-mode and in 60-fps mode it still has drops and muddy textures. I've been playing some more Ratchet and Clank and Death Stranding and it certainly is just as quite and cool as before.
Same as others I have had my console since launch vertically. I also have a disc system since June 2021, again vertical. No issues thus far. I am seeing this more as a "could happen" situation if there was a defect in the system when it was put together, like most any other tech imo.
The ones that claimed such a "design flaw" have retracted their statements since there is no evidence to prove their claims
am I the only one that sees the terminator cop face in the liquid metal at 5:57, I have also heard that dropping the system can cause spillage of liquid metal.
first thing I notice when I saw that pic xD
ive used liquid metal on so many things and never had a single issue with any of it. been using it since Haswell.
Thanks for this Jon, I trust your judgment on this one. Until this becomes a known widespread issue like RRoD I think people are just way overreacting. Mine will be staying vertical as not only does it just look better standing up, but I would have to rearrange my entire gaming space to accommodate it laying down
continue to play with fire dumbass.... (its incredible how many people dont understand BASIC physic!) Personally my PS1 was standing flat , same for my PS2 , PS3 , PS4 and i made the same on PS5 DAY ONE !
@@markhamilton3215 proud of you
I appreciate your videos calmly trying to explain to people what’s going on with this Liquid Metal problem. It’s a good way to stop people from going into hysterics about their PS5s.
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@@unosturgis Good spot. I meant hysteria/hysterics .
Literally do not believe the rumours. I've opened mine up and it's absolutely fine. It's been standing up since release day and it has been knocked over a few times but it's absolutely perfect inside
Upload a vid, but you prolly already put it back together
Can I ask when you opened it up?
For keeping my PS5 lasting longer I 1). Turn it off at the powerboard (and pull the plug out while not using it), and 2). Place a "pillow slip" over my "vertical" set up so it doesn't accumulate dust. That's all I can do to to maintain it (well, I don't know if the pillow slip idea actually works - lol). Otherwise while I'm playing a game on disc I pump up the air conditioning in my room. All I can hope for is for the longest life-span of my console as possible. But I think it's already a yes to upgrade to a PS5 Slim or Pro when released, So hopefully - Sony will have definitely learnt some important things by the time they pump out their next pressed consoles.
Everyone should have it horizontal now. It's common sense.
You have liquid, and theres thermal expansion happening over and over again around a seal that is not tough enough.
And the liquid metal will pool at the bottom of seal.
🙄You are so easily manipulated
@@GameslordXY no, I already thought about it before I had one. Makes a lot more sense to have it horizontal.
You hear that pc people who have used Liquid Metal for years? Your vertically oriented motherboards in 99.9% of PC cases are going to fail, especially since a human applied that Liquid Metal, rather than a machine with precision.
No, this is a complete non issue, outside of a literal handful of consoles that MIGHT have been affected.
@@Atlink that's pc and is the seal the same as ps5?
Consoles have had problems in the past.
@@bloomerb4162 I’m failing to understand your counterpoint. Its still a vertical orientation, so the laws of physics would still apply. It doesn’t matter whether or not it’s a pc or ps5, or any other computer. If a thermal transfer medium of Liquid Metal between a heat sink and a component is being used, it would still show the same results due to gravity.
The main issue would be down to a manufacturing defect, or someone man-handling their console.
Ive had my PS5 since April of 2020, and “knock on wood” it performs quite well. The only issue I’ve had is sometimes i get something that sounds like coil whine but cycling the power on the system corrects that, it inly ever happened after turning back on from rest mode never from a cold boot. I sometimes use my PS5 or leave it on for hours at a time snd it works just fine. I have. Series X as well and despite the very first one shipped to me didn’t work the next one Microsoft sent works just as well well as my PS5. I know the Liquid Metal story came from a repair shop owner, got picked up by the media and overblown much like everything else the media touches does. I said to myself if the PS5 has been out since 2020 and this hasn’t been an issue until now, for one it might not affect launch models, and/or its a small sample size that affected some users such as Microsoft’s having some Series X’s with PSU issues and not turning on. If it was as big as the media over blew more people would have complained already and there would no doubt be a class action and there hasn’t been any (yet) so its most likely overblown by a repair tech thats trying to get some attention by saying something crazy.
Even if this only affects a small percentage I'm not going to take the risk so it's going to be horizontal from now on at least until I get a pro or slim version.
Yeah, sucks but better safe than sorry. I heard rumors of this in 2021 and kept mine in horizontal since
Mine has been vertical for 2 yrs and running 10 hrs a day not a hiccup. Like he said pretty sure if you have not had an issue your not going to.
@@martyhubbardGamer just because it don't don't mean it won't.
@@TheConuresrule the liquid metal leaking is how my buddies PS5 died on him. He took it to a repair shop and when they opened it up it had liquid metal in the inside
@@Spartan_83 cap
My opinion is why risk it. If you can lay it horizontal then why not? Its not going to hurt anything especially if the vertical thing is true.
But it's not true that's the point lol and if your seal breaks, the liquid will still break the console no matter the orientation it's in that's some goofy thinking.
Honestly this reminds me of all the miss info around original phat model PS3s. It’ll be interesting to see where this goes
The original fat PS3s are all going to die though. Maybe in 2006/7 they were fine, but nowadays they're not worth it.
@@DP12321
That’s not entirely true. You can prevent them from dying. It’s just extremely hard to do. Way harder than drilling holes or replacing capacitors which can only make things worse.
@@KellsKats it's basically a losing battle at this point. I've seen so many people try and fail to fix them by reballing and new thermal paste and it's just a band-aid at that point.
@baseballreg123 They're old. Too many complex parts and not built to last. The YLOD is essentially unavoidable with the early models.
@baseballreg123 Definitely don't get one. Any fixes are just temporary. Get a PS3 Slim and PS2 Slim, that's what I've got and they're built like tanks.
5:58 The most dangerous part about this liquid metal is it looks like a T-1000 Terminator is about to come out.
Would love to see a video of you replacing the liquid metal with regular thermal paste to see if any differences
Tronicsfix actually did a video for this experiment
ruclips.net/video/LbX_UjhgpGU/видео.html
I think he has already did this for a video, I'll try to find a link.
(Or else it was a different channel)
Here:
Thermal Paste vs LM :
ruclips.net/video/LbX_UjhgpGU/видео.html
The liquid metal looks like a terminator face, if you look close enough 6:03
I think this is a good thing to be brought since it's something that can happen but until it's mass report by multiple people than won't be something to worry about
Not the first "critical" thing.
Nor the last one.
8:38 this is exactly what i was thinking, with my limited knowledge.
And this makes sense Jon. Great explanation. My theory is that for the one's that were affected, if it wasn't tampered with by opening it and messing with the components, those units were probably shipped with little to no barrier around the liquid metal chip and compound, because it could have somehow broken down in transit. And just happening to have it in the vertical orientation was enough to short the whole board. And if it indeed IS an overheating issue, you would have to wonder where people would have their console in their setup, whether it was in cabinet or not, regardless of the orientation.
It was advertised vertically I remember watching the showcase that revealed the ps5 and it was vertical . I think it was designed for that way if they showcased it like that just a thought 🤷🏽♂️
Foam and plastic in general degrades over time. So I would say. After a few years of heat. The foam will deteriorate and eventually turn brittle. At which point maybe the liquid metal will start dripping out
It's not foam, it's spounge
@@GameslordXY sponge still deteriorates as well. If it's the same sponge like material I use when building electronics it needs to be changed out over time
I don't have a PS5 yet but when I do, I plan on keeping it horizontal as I have with all of my consoles. I mean back in the day, there was the concern that setting a console vertically might scratch up the disc and well, that was true but only when people moved the console while it was turned on.
This report about liquid metal seeping out of the sides and causing catastrophic failure is concerning. It would be interesting if Sony would give an official statement.
It would also be interesting if it turns out this rumored 'D Chassis' PS5 model quietly further gets redesigned to minimize this being a problem.
Just got mine 5 days ago and since day 1 is been horizontal inside my tv stand and daaaamn that it gets hot sometimes lmao hope you get yours anytime soon
It's going to interesting see how Sony counters this issue as they promote the PS5 vertically.
I've been putting the PS5 vertically due to it taking less space. But I might have to put it horizontal due to this issue, can't risk it.
It's not a big issue it probably happen to 1 person and everyone is blowing it outta proportion
Have had my PS5 for over a year now and no issues. Most of that time it was vertical and just changed it recently when I got a new entertainment center.
I wonder if Sony will ditch the liquid metal solution when they inevitably redesign the system for the PS5 Slim variant (hopefully in 2023).
I am sure many manufactures have looked into liquid metal as cooling is a big issue with todays chips and it has been out for a while now. It seems to me most engineers have concluded that the benefits in large production don't outweigh the cost or possible issues.
Done properly, liquid metal is still superior to all the other compounds out there.
The PS5 slim is not happening in 2023. Don’t get your hopes up.
If they do, it’ll run hotter and you’ll cry harder.
Best case, they figure out a way to prevent this. Worst case, they do f all and we live with it, like we have done on headline grabbing defects in the switch, ps4, 360, ps3, original xbox & tbh every console.
If they ditch it ... them this could be a clue that liquid metal could have triggered other failures.
For over a year my ps5 has been vertical since I got it. No problems so far and our ps5 is our main entertainment system. If the TV is on the ps5 is on. So our ps5 is on for over 12 hours a day
There is always the risk of this with liquid metal, its pretty unavoidable for a handfull of systems have issues. Doesnt seem like a big problem, and im just gonna send it and keep it vertical. If it dies it dies I mostly play on PC anyways.
Unrelated my PS5 has pretty bad coil whine so thats fun.
Why not use warranty?
@@GameslordXY ehhh for me it’s so quite that I can’t hear it unless I have all sound turned off in my room. And if it gets worse I’ll just replace it myself.
@@imoffendedthatyouareoffended
You will replace that yourself?
Careful you don't mess up something.
That's how stories like these are born.
People think they know how to fix and put back together something... except they don't.
alright this is weird but i do think horizontal keeps ur system cooler honestly cuz about 18months of daily ps5 us my ps5 did start shutting down after 2 or 3 gameplay hours and i went to unscrew the base while the ps5 was in vertical standing and that metal screw you tighten was abnormally hot. i sat my ps5 in the horizontal position ever since and it works great still never shutting down and still super quite.
I have to keep my consoles horizontal anyway because my furry menace likes to get into trouble and rather than risk her knocking them over, they’re on their sides. Where she promptly sleeps on them.
Arctic Silver used to be conductive (AS3). I learned that one the hard way.
I don't think there's a major issue with the liquid metal, I am concerned a bit for longer term lifespan of a ps5 past the next gen release. though at least with the next gen console they should support ps4/ps5 fairly easy
The reason why Sony put on so much liquid metal is to ensure that it doesn’t need to be reapplied for the life of the console. Liquid metal will react with the metal of the contact plate over time and some of it will get absorbed into the metal, decreasing performance if there is not enough if it left.
Too much liquid metal risks overflowing and conducting the surrounding components together that shouldn’t be conducted, hence the barrier Sony put in.
Sony did what they needed to do to ensure liquid metal could be functional for the life of the console.
It’s good practice to apply enough liquid metal in any scenario, as long as it doesn’t touch surrounding components.
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I did put my ps5 down horizontally after hearing this news just to be safe. At least in that position, I don't have the issue of putting the disc backwards.
When you use the console vertically, it overheats. I have my console for almost a year and I have made the difference. I deactivated the rest mode and I left it on for 24 hours in vertical mode and a another day I did the same thing horizontally and it didn't even heat up. If you have the choice between horizontal or vertical, it depends on the structure of your furniture, I recommend putting your console horizontally.i had no issue with mine but vertically its overheating since i have it.i have also bought an external fan for it but in horizontal,i don't need it except in vertical mode
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I'm thinking it's just because players are on it for a long period of time and/or not having it in a well air circulated area.
Im pretty convinced that the majority of console failures are due to ppl keeping them in little cubbies with no air flow
@@deadrizen this! Ppl dont pay attention on how to maintain electronics and reduce risk of failure. My brother had his in a tiny cube close to carpet without its stand. Ground floor. Ripped that shit right out and setup it up properly for him. Then there was one of my friends....had it upside for who knows how long😤
Im hearing there was an update on this. They were saying that it was only 2 consoles that were tampered with
I have my ps5 vertical for 2 years now and no issues so far, nice video mate😃👍thanks
Ive had my ps5 vertical, will continue to do so
Just bought a PS5 not too long ago. I'm really hoping I don't run into any issues with how long I was trying to buy one.
I wonder if there’s something else more to the issue that’s not being correlated. Something that in a controlled test environment you don’t catch, but in the real world shows it’s ugly head. Maybe more humid climates?, how about ones that run hotter from dust or hair?, smoking or vaping near one messing with the seal? Any other ideas?
I've had my ps5 about 2 years now and after a year of having it, it started switching itself off after around 30 mins of gameplay on a ps5 game I noticed after playing a ps4 game on my ps5 it ran fine and didn't crash it was only switching off running ps5 games it turns out there is bit of a flaw in the design as the power supply vent holes are quite small and are prone to blocking about 80% of the holes were blocked
So the power supply unit would overheat when more strenuously used ie more power needed for ps5 games and not so much power used playing ps4 games so it wasn't the system overhearing hence why I wasn't getting overheating warnings before it switched off so yeah took it apart and cleaned everything and it hasn't crashed once since.
Maybe people have taken their ps5s apart but accidentally unscrewed the heatsink by mistake causing the liquid metal to leak 🤔
Let's assume it only affects like 2% of all PS5s produced. Do I wanna risk mine to see if it's on this percentage or not? Nope, it's horizontal forever now.
Same
5:55 liquid metal looks like absorber man
I’ve had mine for less than a year setup vertically and just caught wind of this yesterday. My console has been sitting atop my subwoofer this whole time and I got concerned that the vibrations may cause an issue. It’s now horizontal and yes I had to rearrange half the room to accommodate this 😂.
Nah you'll be fine. My launch model has been stood vertical for over 2yrs with zero issues. And that's with discs vibrating all the time.
I just got a PS5 for Christmas, I absolutely want to do everything I can to take care of it
This has been really irritating to understand what to do, I appreciate you going through this
Talked about a lot? 2 consoles supposedly have had the issue, out of 30 million sold. What’s with the blowing out of proportion lately? You’d thing it’s the next Red Ring or Yellow Light of death with the way it’s been framed.
Only 2 reported from repair shops. That doesn't include all of the ones sent in to Sony that were never caught traction wise on social media?
People are just being more safe than sorry.
@@BorisTheGoose92 but it still seems a bit blown out of proportion. If Sony designed the console to be used vertically, then it should be able to be used vertically.
@@Q0T0J It's always going to be blown out of proportion. People are irrational. If this happens to even 3% of consoles stood vertically after 2 years, it still deserves addressing though. Does it mean it's going to happen to you? Of course not.
@@BorisTheGoose92 If you want to believe 2 repair shops that have said it’s an issue are more reliable than the dozens of well experienced engineers that spent multiple years designing the console then be my guest.
@@NoonDragoon I mean maybe just maybe I'm not blaming the engineers, but rather the fact that there MAY be small bits of possible QA issues that could come up. It's all about being safer than sorry. Engineers may not make the mistake and machines may lower failure rate, but over time these machines need calibrated/checked for errors. Sometimes between those times 1 or 2 can get through.
Again it's no blame on anyone. I'm just saying if you were one of these people with this issue would you still be saying "Wow I sure did trust the engineers." No you'd be upset that your now $500 ugly Dyson vacuum looking electronic is dead.
I've had my PS5 vertical an I've had no problem since I've had it. The barrier their helps to stop the liquid metal from going everywhere. We know that liquid metal can be messy to other metal or be a conductor. There's also three chips on the board in the PS5 that gets sent through the PS5 that sends through to say hey we need to cool down an the fan speeds up but that's only if you are pushing the PS5 hard on all settings. If you run the PS5 less hard it won't over heat etc.
Anyone removed the liquid metal and just use Arctic Silver yet? I'm wondering what the differences would be! 👍
Tronicsfix did a video on it a while ago, it ended up overheating
@@Somnifuge Darn! So I guess an ideal marketing idea for companies like Arctic Silver, is to make a similar product that performs the same! 👍
Someone dropped a brand new PS5 down a 22 story stairwell to see if they could fix it after. The liquid metal did not leak even after that.
Because it wasn't heated up and cooled down 1000+ times
This was very coincidental for me. Mine shut off suddenly one night during a play session, and it felt very hot. The next day i took it apart and saw that it was very dusty, but my friend also sent me the liquid metal article that was going around that same day. I took out my fan and removed all the dust i saw and laid it down horizontally instead of vertically. So far it's been great.
This makes me wonder. I keep mine in a decently open area, but having it since launch I've never cleaned out the dust internally. How many of these reports are people who also never cleaned it and keep it in enclosed spaces? After watching this video I'm thinking it had more to do with it being dusty, so I'll probably stand it back up (fits better in my room). If anything, I'm thinking this is a lesson in maintenance.
@Scott Pilgrim Oh yes, I recall. I also have owned many consoles, having them inside enclosed spaces is not a good idea. Problem is not everyone is aware or reads. I'm just speculating.
Mine has been placed in vertical position the majority of the 2 years I had it. I had one time where the PS5 had a weird boot-up, but restarting it fixed it and had no problems since.
Classic FUD. There’s 30M of these things out there and we’re just hearing some reports of this being an issue 2 years in. Not concerned at all.
Yup just building up a case and rug carpet for the PS5 Pro incoming LMAO
I have to keep my PS5 horizontal because the shelf it's on is too low for it to be upright. Ironically I wanted it upright for a while but I'll keep it flat until we hear more about whether this is a "real" issue or just people worrying about nothing
I'm not taking the risk anymore of placing it vertical. Even though right now the problem might be a fluke I still feel like years down the line that liquid metal and the thin foam around it is going to cause issues.
just buy another ps5 if it happens years from now.
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@@glokzzeditzzplays8494 it’s $550 not like you are spending 10k. It’s not much. Just work more.
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@@glokzzeditzzplays8494 what research? Best job market in decades. Work more. I work 50+ a week due to labor shortages. It’s not that difficult.
Arctic silver 5 is conductive but not as conductive as LM. Arctic MX4 is carbon based so it’s not conductive. These chips are getting hotter and hotter and engineers are running out of ways to keep them cool regardless of die size.
Asking for a slim model is like asking Sony to underclock the APU to operate efficiently in a smaller form factor (which is what the Series S is to the Series X) but people have the impression they can make the system smaller and have nearly the same power which is a huge misconception and doesn’t line up with the reality of the thermodynamics of these devices.
Anything more powerful than a Series X would probably need water cooling and it’s like you might as well be buying a PC because why pay the upcharge for a console that is limited it makes no sense to pay over a grand to be trapped in an ecosystem that only allows you to play games and consume media while paying a subscription fee.
Wear & Tear and Tolerances apply here. So my guess is that when it heats up, the tolerances give way a space for a leak to occur, and if there's out of spec quantity of liquid metal, then you get the leak.
Except it’s sealed and then literally clamped together shut. You should watch a teardown video
I use my ps5 like a workhorse. i've owned it now for nearly 2 years in the vertical position 0 problems other then i should probably clean the dust out of it.
Not PS5, but I remember looking into having a setup with my laptop vertical, and there were testimonies that liquid metals may leak since generally laptops weren't designed to prevent that in the long run. Scared the crap out of me, so I didnt risk it. So, I can totally see it happening to PS5. It seems Sony did add a pretty good containment for it though.
A lot of computers using liquid metal would be WAY WORST OFF, considering people put this stuff directly on their AIO without any isolation around it.
Idk but i turned that damn thing horizontal regardless of how ugly it looks
Same lol
Yeaps....can't take the chance
Ive had my ps5 since launch and have always had it set up vertically. The problem I’ve had was that my ps5 will randomly turn off and the only way to turn it back on is to disconnect the power. I researched on how i could fix this and moving the ps5 to horizontal was a possible solution. This did not work. I pulled the fan and thoroughly cleaned it and that did not fix it. What i realized is that having the certain games on the external ssd drive i.e. GT7, GOW Ranorak, and MWII made the ssd overheat. I moved them to the internal ssd and the issue was resolved. I don’t think it had anything to do with the positioning of the ps5. Other than that have not had any problems for two years plus
What external SSD did you use?
Do you mean M.2?
@@lemming9984 i have the SABRENT 1TB Rocket 4 Plus NVMe 4.0 Gen4 PCIe M.2 bro. Im gonna get a different one to see if it makes a difference.
@@scottd7222 lol yes thats what i meant bro 🤭
@@sdtarango84 Do you have a heatsink on it?
I’m still not convinced. It was meant to be upright by design
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Can anyone else see the t1000 at 3:12 in the liquid metal....
Hmm, this story has me wondering if I should figure out a way to mount it horizontally. It would take some doing and hopefully will leave enough space on the side that used to be the top for adequate heat dispersal.
So now that the people that reported the story have retracted it based on the sources, I hope Spawn Wave does an update.
Had mine vertical for a little over a year and it still runs fine. Though it recently started infrequently dropping frames when I'm watching something, be it streaming or a physical disc, until I pause and unpause it. Playing a game? Runs perfectly smooth. Watching a bluray or something on Netflix? It's gonna look choppy at random moments. Doubt that has anything to do with the system being vertical, though.
Not it does not. If you are using 4k video you can go into the screen and video settings and change the 4k transfer rate to your liking. If something is truly wrong itd be the ps5 itself.
Happens to me too when using a 2160 tv, but on my 1080 tv it runs buttery smooth. Changing the transfer rate really helped for me though.
@fadel ray Tried it just in case, because I've just left my PS5 on automatic since I got it, but it didn't do anything. Also I've had it hooked to a 1080p TV for a while, to make do. It worked perfectly fine ever since I got it and then randomly started getting choppy with anything that would be found under the media tab. I didn't change any settings or anything. It just started happening on its own one day.
Is that Silver Surfer's face?
I find it funny how people keep saying OH! there’s nothing to worry about just keep playing it in vertical position. It’s the stupidity that makes me laugh so hard. The guy who gave us this info has a point just because it hasn’t happened to us yet doesn’t mean it won’t soon unless you change its position. The gravity makes sense. If the liquid metal starts to heat up and is dropping down on the seal eventually it will start to seep out. Let’s not act like these companies spent a ton of money on a seal to full protect the liquid metal. They use as much cheap parts as possible. Do y’all really think these companies are you friends like Sony wouldn’t do this to it consumers👀👀👀 Y’all better wake. I had mine vertically as well but do you think I’m gonna continue to take that risk or do the smart thing and turn it horizontally. I rather the console look ugly then to spend another $500 👀
I've had it for 2 months, I barely have space so I'm just going to leave it alone and hope all is good
lol stop messing with your ps5 mine works fine and always up its designed to handle liquid metal
You should do a video on how well the PS5 runs with thermal paste. Hopefully it won't be an expensive video lol
Just go look at tronicsfix video about this and you'll see
I don't have the space to lay it on its side (i hope my system doesn't get faulty or i'll be really annoyed)
5:49 the Liquid Metal looks like it formed a face in the middle lol
we knew liquid metal wasn't ready even most major computer manufacturers avoid using this method because in paper it was too risky.
Does xbox series X use liquid metal?
@@retrogamer64007 no
I have always kept consoles horizontal and raised.
Ps5 has been good to me so far. Have had mine 3 months.
On the other hand my series X was a crashing mess but luckily got a new one from warranty that’s been great
Mine has been in a vertical position for over a year and i don’t have room to put horizontally. I’m just gonna have to leave it that way. The PS5 was designed to be vertical and i just don’t think this gonna be a widespread issue like the Xbox 360 RRoD.
well, I may be a wimp but I did lay mine flat after this. I have owned it since release day and it has always been vertical. But I do not have the means to replace it and I have the space, and I doubt Sony would warrant it after so many years.
I picked up my PS4 PRO used. It sounded like a deranged hovercraft when playing anything. After a great deep clean, replacing all thermal pads, and installing IC graphite, it's super quiet. Zero heat issues.