This shows the power of sponsoring riders, one good guy on the team and it revives a brand that the mx press have been ignoring. Rms have been great bikes for years and just because of a kickstart they have been ignored, Suzuki will sell out after roczen is on the team 👏
I have to say I was surprised at the conclusion of this review and Roczen liking this bike so much. The way they were describing this bike it sounded like it would be a perfect bike for someone like Eli Tomac, who likes to rev the bike and muscle it through the bumps and ruts. Kenny you always hear how smooth he is and how he rides in high gears not reving the bike up that much. Just surprised me a bit.
It's definitely not just kickstart. It weighs more, considerably more compared to a KTM - and in order to add E-Start they'll add about 10 lbs (based off of the KTM 125SX E-Start). But there is also the issue of power, which on a 450 is pretty useless for most people, but the 250 is a different story.
@@therawlifefamily the power isn’t a problem because they always downtune the factory 450s to be smoother and the weight is better for the whoops, it’s one of the best handling bikes out there and the new ktms are two pounds heavier than last year. E start has only been around for a few years of Ken’s career, it won’t bother him
I’ve ridden Suzuki my past 2 bikes and just got a brand new RMZ 450 and absolutely love it! This bike corners better then any other bike and feels super smooth in my opinion. People hate on this bike just because they wanna jump on a bandwagon and don’t really have any knowledge of the bike and haven’t ridden it.
@2216sammyyou do realize that people cannot afford to buy multiple different bikes, right? So, people are definitely jumping on the bandwagon and hating on Suzuki’s with no experience or knowledge of the machine. It absolutely makes no sense why you would even question the comment that was made. Then you have to think about this; Cooper Webb, J-Mart, Justin Cooper, Christian Craig, AP7, Dylan Ferrandis, Eli Tomac, Colt 45, Dangerboy Deegan, Nate Thrasher, who have all been Yamaha Brand Ambassador’s. Follow that up with; FAN FAVORITE Jett Lawrence, Chase Sexton, Ken Roczen, Hunter Lawrence, Ricky Carmichael (250 Two Stroke), Wil Hahn, Justin Bogle & Barcia, Tomac, and Mookie all won races or titles on Honda’s and that has persuaded people to buy those bikes. The same can be said about the Kawasaki, KTM, and Husqvarna. However, you have to go back to 2006 & 2010 since Suzuki won a Supercross Title. Their bike is basically the exact same since 2017 and that’s where the hate comes from! Also, people do like to jump on the bandwagon because you even see it with the hate for Nickelback. People go out and buy whatever bike is either A) WINNING races & Championships. Or B) their favorite rider is currently on! With all that said, the original commenter is dead on the money because people do lack the knowledge of what these Suzuki 450’s are capable of! And as someone who has been in the industry since 1998 when I rode for a Regional Suzuki/Kawasaki dealership aboard a RM80 and also the KX80, I have seen and heard plenty of things about bikes over the years. Over the last 6-7 years, i could count on one hand how many people I’ve heard say something positive about a Suzuki and then when I asked what they didn’t like about them, they would nearly ALWAYS say, “well, I haven’t actually ridden one yet, but they don’t update stuff and they aren’t as good as my (insert bike here)” I always ask, “why knock it if you haven’t tried it?” I hope you have a blessed day and become a bit more open minded while reading comments on the internet 😂🤣 because sometimes just because you aren’t around the unknowledgeable haters, that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist!
@C.Nash yep! For the money, suzuki is lacking compared to other models.. I need no experience on a suzuki to know that suzuki is basically junk.. again compared to other models.. junk..
@@jverch2306 You're missing out dude, honestly. I bought a Suzuki 450 because it was cheap, but I wouldn't bother going back to another brand now. With a little bit of setup I've got this RMZ working so much better for me than any bike I've previously had (KTM, Kawasaki). So, whatever, you want to read shootouts and spend the extra to get shit you don't even need, go for it man.
From a reliability standpoint I had a 2012 for 9 years (I know 2018 was an update but I believe the engine is basically the same) and I never had a lick of trouble with that bike. Even after sitting all winter (northern climate) with no winterization procedures done it would always start right up 3-4 kicks.
Yeh I had a 2013 thing was a tractor reliable and I thrashed her brought a yzf 450 21 model was amazing but couldn’t get comfy standing up hitting jumps .. felt cramped so seat bouncing was only option lol
why? just because thats sounds good in your head? give me one good reason it would be nice to see Suzuki competitive again that doesn't invlove history or nostalgia. who fuckin cares.... let Suzuki die. If you really care about the sport you wouldn't support companies that don't give a shit about it.
@@jpesicka492 That I am not sure, but it’s Ride Now Powerports in Las Vegas. Some other socal dealers have them for around that price too. I just looked and they have a brand new 450 for the same price. For someone like me who isn’t racing and just wants to go to the tracks, hard to beat that kind of price for a brand new machine.
Im 6ft 190-195 i want an RMZ 250 seems perfect for me, especially for my first brand new 4 stroke. Especially with tht suspension I have seen some Rmz 250s cut down to 5K
You won’t regret it! I strongly recommend an rmz, it may be a kickstart but it’s starts very easy, very reliable and durable bike, turns really good as well
I bought a brand new rmz250 2022 and a brand new in 2016 rmx450 for a combined price that is less than a ktm450exc by several thousand dollars. Both are more than enough for my needs and I would rather forgo a little bit of performance for a bike that has better service intervals, is more reliable. Has a better easier turning chassis out the box that doesnt need fettling to achieve with clamps or anything. I have done many hard k's on my 450 and have never head had the head off once. Everything from sandy desert racing, beach trips, enduro etc.
I clicked, and still have not watched the video, but my first thought is ---- "What perfect timing, with Roczen picking Suzuki. I would say the answer is yes." Now let's see how Roczen does on it.
Even being dated, it’s still a good machine, cheaper and reliable. Fit & finish is high, doesn’t look weathered after a lot of hours. Now see how many times Kenny wins on it see opinions change. All these bikes are quality now days.
@@herbcanter2114 Any racing series runs "non stock" vehicles. People watch Corvettes racing and go buy corvettes, GSXR racing garners gixxer sales, travis pastrana's wrx with a sequantial manual and 600 hp sells stock STis, nascar racing sells their street cars, you can't seriously not understand how racing yields sales....
The other thing is resale, very hard to sell something very few people.want without giving it away. You buy a rmz these day you are keeping it until it dies or losing 5k-7k when selling it
I have a feeling these bikes will become popular this year, they already have been raising sales since Roczen joined the team. People see a Professional rider go thru many bikes and settle on a Suzuki?? Hmmm looks like he can all the same stuff the other riders can.. people have to realize not everyone buys bikes every year or few years… many of us keep bikes for 4-5 years maybe way longer and near a decade before parting ways… most recent bike I rode was a 2014 kx450…. So this is brand new technology for me and thousands of others
Honestly I have a 2022 250 all I did was change the spring rates for forks and shock threw some nice decals seat cover and bars and I love the bike so much I suck at corner ruts and it helped me so much love my zook plan on doing an ecu
Im new to dirt bikes but not motorcycles. Decided to buy a new 2022 RMZ 450. The price is what sold me. Was marked $8999 and end of year markdowns let me snag one for $5999! With taxes and other fees $8k out the door for a new 450! Couldn't find a deal like that on any other brands and the 250s were not as cheap. I knew this was a monster of a bike for a first dirt bike but hell I couldn't pass up the deal. Respect the power because after 1 month I whisky throttle into a tree and broke 3 ribs! Live and learn....cant wait to get back out and ride her some more!!
They’ve always been worth it. I paid thousands less for my Rmz 250 and it ran just as well as my KX 250. In fact the RMZ is more reliable. I’m not a professional I’m just a guy who likes racing around on the weekends.
Everyone is hating on them for being kickstart but a lot of them are two stoke riders which also have kickstart still :) unless it’s the ‘23 ktm/husky two strokes
if only they figure out the suspension. get rid of brfc, put in springs in the 450 for a 80 kg vet rider, this will fit all racers too. and on the 250 spring it to 80 kg and sell it for 6000 grand and it would be the best bike for 90% out there
As a Yamaha fanboy I’d gladly get one. Why you may ask? Well they are reliable and more affordable than other brands alongside there’s not really any issues with the RMZ. Sure it’s outdated by a couple of years only small differences that aren’t necessarily bad either. Good enough for racing and riding on the weekend at an amateur level. Throw on an aftermarket pipe and you’re set
Yeap far better for anyone to grab and ride or even for a serious rider, most guys at a A/Pro-Am and into Pro level ditch a lot of stock parts these days… nobody is going to keep around the stock suspension or much of the engine after a certain skill/speed… so why buy some new Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, KTM and others just to tear it apart to the frame. I feel these are perfect to buy for any serious racer, they can toss on all new aftermarket suspension that will act completely different then the stock will ever do, build the engine entirely till only the transmission gears and cases are factory…
one theory is that by saving money in shutting down their GP race team, they could maybe afford to improve the MX bikes. at some point they either have to get out of the sport or put money into it and step things up. i doubt they want out entirely, so here's hoping for new bikes in 2025!
@@yukonjon5964 agreed. It's such a solid bike and legit if they made the same bike again next year and again but sold it for 5-7k I'd buy one over any other anyday. Just due to cost. You can spend that extra money you saved making it a rocket.
@@yukonjon5964 The dealer also told me the plan originally was for a ground up redesign to be in 22 or 23 but Covid set those plans back 2-3 years. The Suzuki rep told them electric start was supposed to be put on the 23 but Suzuki just decided to wait on the complete overhaul.
They straight capping trying to say that 250 is fast/ quick / w.e. They said ya its got good bottom end and pulls good up top.. yet he said his yz250f pulls way harder down low and he still said you have to short shift it… meaning it doesn’t pull up top (it doesn’t) and he already said it’s not near as good as a YZ off bottom
If I weren't an old guy with old injuries who appreciates the E-Start, I would have bought a RMZ450. However my local dealer marked up the RMZ prices $3,000 over retail! That's $12,000. Straight up BS. I drove an hour down I95 and bought a YZ450F for $9,500 out the door.
Does anyone ride a bike in stock form today? Everyone and their mother buys a bike now, rebuilds the suspension and puts a lot of bling on it before they even go out on the first ride. I have no problems with that. We work hard and we want to put our money into our hobbies. But here you have a bike that leaves a lot of money in pocket to spend on "necessary upgrades", and you're still not ending up spending as much as what other bikes cost stock. You want a hydraulic clutch - put on a Magura Hymec. You want engine tunability - put on an aftermarket ECU. You want a more comfortable bike - drill the upper engine hangers and re-torque the engine mounts. You want electric start? This is so overplayed and something we now think is absolutely vital to even go ride. I've convered mine for enduro and trust me, if I can kick the damn thing riding enduro with a damaged ACL and meniscus then kickstarting for MX should not be an issue for anyone. It's such an easy bike to start with the ignition system that Suzuki made especially for it to be easy to start. And unchanged for 5 years is not extreme for japanese manufacturers. It's not like the other bikes get complete changes until after a 4-something-year run. It's always just BNG, small suspension changes and maybe other colored bar pads but we are led to believe that it's a brand new bike each year. Power of PR.
When I bought my 2022 RMZ 450 I was quoted prices as high as MSRP + destination + tax to as low as $7400.00 out the door (taxes,destination everything included).
Very nice review!! I just have to Laugh at the haters!! They Have No Clue! For 90% of the racers out there these bikes would be very competitive and save them some big bucks! Like Kris said a little spring and valving (Most would be doing that anyway... ) And run the heck out of them!!
@@herbcanter2114 might be the dumbest thing I’ve read on the internet in awhile. 99.9% of riders can’t ride any of these bikes to the bikes ragged edge. Destroyed? By what? The .1% of riders that can ride these bikes to their ragged edge. As I said, what a dumb comment.
Kris and Todd - superb test! Discounted, these babies are terrific. Suzuki will most probably pour R&D money when Kenny brings in the trophies. Such a historied brand in both MX and SX. They will be back...crossing my fingers. Subscribed. 👍👍
@@Richard-Burdett-Bow - I don't think he can beat either on ANY bike, but consistent high finishes - which Suzuki hasn't seen in years - will get them to invest in their MX bikes. There could be a surprise here and there.
I’ve been hearing how cheap these are so I went to my two local dealers who deal in Suzuki’s and neither had any good deals. They were around $1000-$1500 less than the other Japanese bikes which for that price it’s hard to justify kicking it.
Yeah i hate that argument because like you say, the deals people are talking about are rare and definitely not global (good luck finding 10 RM-Z bikes on dealer floors in the Nordic countries combined, and you wont get any 2k discounts that is for sure). Sure there are these outliers that go for cheap but it's far from the norm, and that same thing can be said for other brands too. Especially Kawasaki that can be had for below their already "low" MSRP.
@@simppe75 Ya agreed. If you got consider resale difference thats what really tells how much a bike costs ya over time to own/ride... not so much the initial cost
Cable from Hyr long time good friend Recommend one picked it up cheap in 19 450 6 hrs or so did suspension a Lottworx headlight couldnt be happier suspension was done by Factory connections springs had to be changed 6ft3 165 lbs
Got her in 2019 bike being a 2019 from a Suzuki sales guy and bike was in a photoshoot 6 hrs on it. 2 sets of plastics and a fmf slip on and the stock muffler 5gs I love it
It would be great if someone could do a real dollar for dollar shootout. With other brands costing several thousand more that leaves a lot of room for personalization which ultimately can make it a better choice. The kick start is no big deal to me, I still haven't owned an e-start dirt bike!
You cannot personalize its rigid chassis out. For the kick start one can always get an auto clutch if that’s critical. If it were otherwise a perfect bike, I’d be fine with the kick. The problem is it is far from that.
@@cheetah694 the chassis might not be that bad if you put some good suspension on it. I’d like to see them compare the rmz with mx tech or other high end suspension
I think sales will uptick because all the others are getting crazy expensive. I love the Husky brand and have two. A 18 FC 450 and a 2020 TX300i. But, now even the Gas Gas are up around 11 grand for a 350. If I was in the market for a new bike and I was a weekend warrior, that yellow bike with a kickstart would be all mine.
I wish dealers would sell a new rmz450 for msrp. Crooks at ride now here in Jacksonville, tried to sell me a 2022 RMZ450 for $12.5k OTD. They wouldn't budge off the price either.
They say 2018 but aren't most brand on a 3-5 year cycle so the 18 update should've been ran til say 22 making it only dated by a few years. The rm is not far off the rest...especially for what you can buy them for they are great bikes and the motors are solid.
just depends on the trail types. not so good for tight trails. ok for open riding. but then the gearing will be too low for really open terrain. most times the suggestion is don't get an MX bike for anything but MX unless you have a lot of experience setting bikes up for off road and can ride really fast. often having "less bike" is more fun and makes for a better experience.
They're bulletproof from what I understand. However I would love to see a major upgrade in the bikes.I would like to see an offroad version like the 450X.
99% of us are dudes who ride on weekends and hit trails people gotta stop making it like they require exactly what factory riders need to compete at the highest level
I’m all about the Suzuki but at 37 years old, and riding bikes since 50s. I just can’t kickstart another bike. I grew up riding old used stuff and always needed worked on and never had money to fix. I spent too much time kicking and sweating to never hear that motor crank. Just put electric start on and I’ll buy.
Take the money you save from the sticker price and get suspension revalved/sprung, ecu/slip-on pipe, and lastly bars/grips if you need them. You'll have a better performing bike than most at the track for nearly the same amount of money. That is, if you're willing to kickstart your bike. I'm not tho.
Its also pretty embarrassing that people talk shit about how heavy these bikes are when they weigh more than 4 strokes from 20 years ago. The lightest is the KTM, Gasgas and husky.
It works FOR YOU but it's been made very clear in the video that a stock RMZ 450 IS NOT going to be good enough to keep up with other manufacturers 2023 models . It needs a lot of upgrades to be competitive.
I got a rude shock the other day when my local dealer told me the RRP on the 2023 rmz450 is basically the same as the 2023 Honda450 😳😳 I thought the Suzukis were supposed to be affordable. How the hell can they expect to sell any bikes at that price ? 😂
Suzuki and Kawasaki slash prices significantly twords the end of the year. You're not going to get that discount before the model comes out. Also have to look around, not all dealers do it.
Just becouse there not the best big deal most people never utilize the full power of a 450 unless your a pro it don’t matter I know guys that wipe the floor with a 125 aganst 450s and there not pros rms are worth a lot more then you think there for given to novice riders and predictable for most riders makes it a great bike
If your a weekend warrior this is more bike than you could ever use or need and considering the money difference you can Pick one of these up for then your crazy if you go and pay thousands more for anything else
How do you know this is more bike than I or anyone else could ever use or need . You have absolutely no idea if that's true . Another asinine comment .
@@herbcanter2114 because there's only about maybe 10 people on the planet that can actually use it to its full potential the thing will go faster than most pros can take it you idiot and you aren't on my TV so I can guarantee it ain't you 🤣🤣
if yellow put theese bikes at $2k less than everyone else they would be selling like hot cakes. (250cc and 450cc) nothing wrong wit these bikes besides convenance. if you actually out here racing maybe you can argue
And now we have a Suzuki review that’s not bashing the bike all this because Kenny roczen is riding one this year. For years these guys have put the rmz dead last in all shootouts funny how one rider changes that
i ride ktm, have done for years and will likely never leave but let us all be honest, we buy what we buy and 99% of us would NEVER extract what the RMZ can offer, our buying isn't about performance - if they provided eleccy start their sales would go up though, it's 2023 in a couple of weeks FFS zook....
@@JD-jn5we oh I agree with that it’s just something weird they chose to do Honda has done the same thing. There were years the CR125 had all or half KYB but never on the CR250. Same in the more modern CRF/RMZ days they both have still done that I bet that RMZ250 with the Yamaha style KYB forks would be amazing.
This video sucks, I was hoping you'd say to stay away from Suzuki. As a Vet rider I was looking at getting a 350, but now I don't know. With the RM Army deal, and the cheaper price, leaves money left over for mods. You should do a price point shootout. A KTM 350 is around $11,000, what mods would you do to the Suzuki with the extra money?
First mod should always be getting the suspension setup for you. Everyone always worried about looks ect but never spend the money on the most important thing on a bike which is suspension.
@Justin Time I agree, suspension is number 1 and it's often overlooked for bling. I'm wondering how a big bore Rmz 250 would do in the vet class against 450's.
i want to own a 350 too, but the gut feeling is the Suzook would do more for you in the long run. KTM's can be unforgiving and finicky. if you can handle 450 power, i'd say wait on the 350. they will only keep getting better. look how much better the WP fork got in just 3 years. you sure don't want an older WP fork. another 3 years could be amazing. as for mods, do the suspension up right, not just gold valves and spring rates. pay someone to keep tuning the valving for you till its perfect. the stiff MX settings on stock bikes are so far off. the results are the most worth-it thing we can imagine in having day to day fun on a bike. the difference can be huge. just sending the forks away to be done is not enough. its still a generic setting. you need to do testing and fine tuning to really know what you can have. its worth all the effort. i dont know much about A-kit's etc, but simply fine tuning the valving offers so much range of option to match your riding type.
Keefer, you contradicted yourself multiple times in this video 😂 You can’t hide the fact that Suzuki is NOT behind on the times. saying they aren’t and then they are after… it’s obvious they ARE a proven machine and other manufacturers have spent the last 5 years trying to figure what Suzuki is doing to make such a great and well priced bike with little to NO changes throughout the years. Maybe people just need to learn how to ride better, instead of blaming everything on the machine 🤷♂️ the harder you are on a Suzuki the better it does… isn’t that what everyone wants !!!??? Cheese and rice 🤦♂️
Hell no. The resale value is about 2 packs of bubble gum. You can get these bikes a couple years old for a nickel, no one wants them. Actual cost of ownership is much higher than the "expensive" bikes.
Not being a pro, I know my opinion doesn't matter, but WHT in hell hasn't Suzuki at least introduced an electric start!? That right there is why I won't even take a second look. It is moronic to me.
Totally worth it!!!! Or go grab a leftover 2022 for a killer deal… I find these are more updated then the Kawasakis… way more compact like the Yamaha is.. Kawi feels top heavy and bulky feeling up top… crazy weird “dumbo” front fender too on the Kawasakis too…. Coming from a guy who’s had 3 Kawasaki bikes since 2001. Had a kx125, then 2007 Kx250f and then a 2014/2015 kx450, sat on a 2022 Kx450 and this Suzuki RMZ450…. Suzuki felt better so far.. the suspension does feel perfect for us bigger people, I’m 6ft 4 205-210 lbs maybe 215 with gear
Just grabbed a 2022, here in the Midwest of ILLINOIS/Wisconsin. $6500 but then tax, documentation fee, shipping fees.. yeah she was up towards 8k in the end
This shows the power of sponsoring riders, one good guy on the team and it revives a brand that the mx press have been ignoring. Rms have been great bikes for years and just because of a kickstart they have been ignored, Suzuki will sell out after roczen is on the team 👏
Good point.
I have to say I was surprised at the conclusion of this review and Roczen liking this bike so much. The way they were describing this bike it sounded like it would be a perfect bike for someone like Eli Tomac, who likes to rev the bike and muscle it through the bumps and ruts. Kenny you always hear how smooth he is and how he rides in high gears not reving the bike up that much. Just surprised me a bit.
It's definitely not just kickstart. It weighs more, considerably more compared to a KTM - and in order to add E-Start they'll add about 10 lbs (based off of the KTM 125SX E-Start). But there is also the issue of power, which on a 450 is pretty useless for most people, but the 250 is a different story.
@@therawlifefamily the power isn’t a problem because they always downtune the factory 450s to be smoother and the weight is better for the whoops, it’s one of the best handling bikes out there and the new ktms are two pounds heavier than last year.
E start has only been around for a few years of Ken’s career, it won’t bother him
i still rock suzuki, but i have a love for honda aswell, great machines
I’ve ridden Suzuki my past 2 bikes and just got a brand new RMZ 450 and absolutely love it! This bike corners better then any other bike and feels super smooth in my opinion. People hate on this bike just because they wanna jump on a bandwagon and don’t really have any knowledge of the bike and haven’t ridden it.
@2216sammyyou do realize that people cannot afford to buy multiple different bikes, right? So, people are definitely jumping on the bandwagon and hating on Suzuki’s with no experience or knowledge of the machine. It absolutely makes no sense why you would even question the comment that was made.
Then you have to think about this; Cooper Webb, J-Mart, Justin Cooper, Christian Craig, AP7, Dylan Ferrandis, Eli Tomac, Colt 45, Dangerboy Deegan, Nate Thrasher, who have all been Yamaha Brand Ambassador’s.
Follow that up with; FAN FAVORITE Jett Lawrence, Chase Sexton, Ken Roczen, Hunter Lawrence, Ricky Carmichael (250 Two Stroke), Wil Hahn, Justin Bogle & Barcia, Tomac, and Mookie all won races or titles on Honda’s and that has persuaded people to buy those bikes.
The same can be said about the Kawasaki, KTM, and Husqvarna. However, you have to go back to 2006 & 2010 since Suzuki won a Supercross Title. Their bike is basically the exact same since 2017 and that’s where the hate comes from! Also, people do like to jump on the bandwagon because you even see it with the hate for Nickelback.
People go out and buy whatever bike is either A) WINNING races & Championships. Or B) their favorite rider is currently on!
With all that said, the original commenter is dead on the money because people do lack the knowledge of what these Suzuki 450’s are capable of! And as someone who has been in the industry since 1998 when I rode for a Regional Suzuki/Kawasaki dealership aboard a RM80 and also the KX80, I have seen and heard plenty of things about bikes over the years.
Over the last 6-7 years, i could count on one hand how many people I’ve heard say something positive about a Suzuki and then when I asked what they didn’t like about them, they would nearly ALWAYS say, “well, I haven’t actually ridden one yet, but they don’t update stuff and they aren’t as good as my (insert bike here)” I always ask, “why knock it if you haven’t tried it?”
I hope you have a blessed day and become a bit more open minded while reading comments on the internet 😂🤣 because sometimes just because you aren’t around the unknowledgeable haters, that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist!
@C.Nash yep! For the money, suzuki is lacking compared to other models.. I need no experience on a suzuki to know that suzuki is basically junk.. again compared to other models.. junk..
@@jverch2306 You're missing out dude, honestly. I bought a Suzuki 450 because it was cheap, but I wouldn't bother going back to another brand now.
With a little bit of setup I've got this RMZ working so much better for me than any bike I've previously had (KTM, Kawasaki). So, whatever, you want to read shootouts and spend the extra to get shit you don't even need, go for it man.
@@Chrissy-H the suzuki is cheap but expensive to bring to the same standards of other bikes..
@@Chrissy-H I also never buy brand new bikes
From a reliability standpoint I had a 2012 for 9 years (I know 2018 was an update but I believe the engine is basically the same) and I never had a lick of trouble with that bike. Even after sitting all winter (northern climate) with no winterization procedures done it would always start right up 3-4 kicks.
Yeh I had a 2013 thing was a tractor reliable and I thrashed her brought a yzf 450 21 model was amazing but couldn’t get comfy standing up hitting jumps .. felt cramped so seat bouncing was only option lol
What kind of stupid question is that?! Of course these bikes are worth it! How could they not be?!
Cause there’s people who are nowhere near pro who listen to what pros say
The ad is for anti gravity batteries. But the rmz450 doesn’t have a battery haha
Not YET. It's a sign! I bet they will next year my man. 👌
Kickstart Kenny!
@Mr Smitherz how much you wanna bet? I am down for $1000 they don't go electric start next year.
@@Randy_Cox I’m with you, people have been saying “next year” since 2015. Suzuki will most likely never mess with estart
You're just asking for a more complex bike with more problems
Love the feedback from Todd & Kris, as a Yamaha guy it would be nice to see the Suzuki competitive again in both Supercross & Motocross 👍🏻👍🏻
why? just because thats sounds good in your head? give me one good reason it would be nice to see Suzuki competitive again that doesn't invlove history or nostalgia.
who fuckin cares.... let Suzuki die. If you really care about the sport you wouldn't support companies that don't give a shit about it.
My local dealer has brand new 22 250’s going for 5,999.
Does it come with rm army package? What dealer?
@@jpesicka492 That I am not sure, but it’s Ride Now Powerports in Las Vegas. Some other socal dealers have them for around that price too. I just looked and they have a brand new 450 for the same price. For someone like me who isn’t racing and just wants to go to the tracks, hard to beat that kind of price for a brand new machine.
Im 6ft 190-195 i want an RMZ 250 seems perfect for me, especially for my first brand new 4 stroke. Especially with tht suspension I have seen some Rmz 250s cut down to 5K
You won’t regret it! I strongly recommend an rmz, it may be a kickstart but it’s starts very easy, very reliable and durable bike, turns really good as well
I bought a brand new rmz250 2022 and a brand new in 2016 rmx450 for a combined price that is less than a ktm450exc by several thousand dollars. Both are more than enough for my needs and I would rather forgo a little bit of performance for a bike that has better service intervals, is more reliable. Has a better easier turning chassis out the box that doesnt need fettling to achieve with clamps or anything. I have done many hard k's on my 450 and have never head had the head off once. Everything from sandy desert racing, beach trips, enduro etc.
I clicked, and still have not watched the video, but my first thought is ---- "What perfect timing, with Roczen picking Suzuki. I would say the answer is yes." Now let's see how Roczen does on it.
Even being dated, it’s still a good machine, cheaper and reliable. Fit & finish is high, doesn’t look weathered after a lot of hours. Now see how many times Kenny wins on it see opinions change. All these bikes are quality now days.
Only if Kenny was riding a bone stock RMZ would opinions change , he's going to ride a much more updated and tricked out model.
@@herbcanter2114 All the top guys are riding tricked out models, no matter what brand.
@@stayathome2 Why would somebody run out to buy the Suzuki based on Kenny's results ? Kenny isn't riding the bike being reviewed here .
@@herbcanter2114 yes but after seeing the potential it has
@@herbcanter2114 Any racing series runs "non stock" vehicles. People watch Corvettes racing and go buy corvettes, GSXR racing garners gixxer sales, travis pastrana's wrx with a sequantial manual and 600 hp sells stock STis, nascar racing sells their street cars, you can't seriously not understand how racing yields sales....
I just picked up my new 2022 RMZ250 for $5600 in Michigan
The other thing is resale, very hard to sell something very few people.want without giving it away.
You buy a rmz these day you are keeping it until it dies or losing 5k-7k when selling it
I have a feeling these bikes will become popular this year, they already have been raising sales since Roczen joined the team. People see a Professional rider go thru many bikes and settle on a Suzuki?? Hmmm looks like he can all the same stuff the other riders can.. people have to realize not everyone buys bikes every year or few years… many of us keep bikes for 4-5 years maybe way longer and near a decade before parting ways… most recent bike I rode was a 2014 kx450…. So this is brand new technology for me and thousands of others
Honestly I have a 2022 250 all I did was change the spring rates for forks and shock threw some nice decals seat cover and bars and I love the bike so much I suck at corner ruts and it helped me so much love my zook plan on doing an ecu
Im new to dirt bikes but not motorcycles. Decided to buy a new 2022 RMZ 450. The price is what sold me. Was marked $8999 and end of year markdowns let me snag one for $5999! With taxes and other fees $8k out the door for a new 450! Couldn't find a deal like that on any other brands and the 250s were not as cheap. I knew this was a monster of a bike for a first dirt bike but hell I couldn't pass up the deal. Respect the power because after 1 month I whisky throttle into a tree and broke 3 ribs! Live and learn....cant wait to get back out and ride her some more!!
They’ve always been worth it. I paid thousands less for my Rmz 250 and it ran just as well as my KX 250. In fact the RMZ is more reliable. I’m not a professional I’m just a guy who likes racing around on the weekends.
Oh hell, these bikes didn’t even make the 450 shootout and now we are busting them out because they are going to win A1 🙄
Racer X bad mouthed and rated them dead last for years. Now they are great bikes and going to win A1.
Keefer. When you going to put out the bakers factory exercises you talked about a few weeks ago on your podcast??
Everyone is hating on them for being kickstart but a lot of them are two stoke riders which also have kickstart still :) unless it’s the ‘23 ktm/husky two strokes
if only they figure out the suspension. get rid of brfc, put in springs in the 450 for a 80 kg vet rider, this will fit all racers too. and on the 250 spring it to 80 kg and sell it for 6000 grand and it would be the best bike for 90% out there
Totaly agree
They need to throw this shock
As a Yamaha fanboy I’d gladly get one. Why you may ask? Well they are reliable and more affordable than other brands alongside there’s not really any issues with the RMZ. Sure it’s outdated by a couple of years only small differences that aren’t necessarily bad either. Good enough for racing and riding on the weekend at an amateur level. Throw on an aftermarket pipe and you’re set
@C.Nash same reliability and quality
Yeap far better for anyone to grab and ride or even for a serious rider, most guys at a A/Pro-Am and into Pro level ditch a lot of stock parts these days… nobody is going to keep around the stock suspension or much of the engine after a certain skill/speed… so why buy some new Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, KTM and others just to tear it apart to the frame. I feel these are perfect to buy for any serious racer, they can toss on all new aftermarket suspension that will act completely different then the stock will ever do, build the engine entirely till only the transmission gears and cases are factory…
Here in Michigan, their are no bikes in Stealerships !
Finally a machine set up stuff that don’t need work to not bottom constantly
I WANT A 2008 RM250
Very reliable bike
I love the rmz, I hope with roczen riding they will take off again
For $5,999. Yes.
Im excited to see if they overhaul the bike in 24 with ken now being on the bike.
When I bought my 22 rmz 450 the dealer said rumor is 25 will be all new.
They didn't when Kenny won on one before so doubt they will now
one theory is that by saving money in shutting down their GP race team, they could maybe afford to improve the MX bikes.
at some point they either have to get out of the sport or put money into it and step things up. i doubt they want out entirely, so here's hoping for new bikes in 2025!
@@yukonjon5964 agreed. It's such a solid bike and legit if they made the same bike again next year and again but sold it for 5-7k I'd buy one over any other anyday. Just due to cost. You can spend that extra money you saved making it a rocket.
@@yukonjon5964 The dealer also told me the plan originally was for a ground up redesign to be in 22 or 23 but Covid set those plans back 2-3 years. The Suzuki rep told them electric start was supposed to be put on the 23 but Suzuki just decided to wait on the complete overhaul.
got my 2022 450 for 6k. Love it.
They straight capping trying to say that 250 is fast/ quick / w.e. They said ya its got good bottom end and pulls good up top.. yet he said his yz250f pulls way harder down low and he still said you have to short shift it… meaning it doesn’t pull up top (it doesn’t) and he already said it’s not near as good as a YZ off bottom
Not everyone wants a ton of power like the Yamaha has
If I weren't an old guy with old injuries who appreciates the E-Start, I would have bought a RMZ450. However my local dealer marked up the RMZ prices $3,000 over retail! That's $12,000. Straight up BS. I drove an hour down I95 and bought a YZ450F for $9,500 out the door.
That's insane .
Dealer going under and doesn't want to give away his last inventory? Sounds odd. I hear they are cheaper everywhere.
If you cant kick a bike, you should not be riding.
@@SOLDOZER Being able to and willing are different things.
Does anyone ride a bike in stock form today? Everyone and their mother buys a bike now, rebuilds the suspension and puts a lot of bling on it before they even go out on the first ride. I have no problems with that. We work hard and we want to put our money into our hobbies.
But here you have a bike that leaves a lot of money in pocket to spend on "necessary upgrades", and you're still not ending up spending as much as what other bikes cost stock.
You want a hydraulic clutch - put on a Magura Hymec. You want engine tunability - put on an aftermarket ECU. You want a more comfortable bike - drill the upper engine hangers and re-torque the engine mounts.
You want electric start? This is so overplayed and something we now think is absolutely vital to even go ride. I've convered mine for enduro and trust me, if I can kick the damn thing riding enduro with a damaged ACL and meniscus then kickstarting for MX should not be an issue for anyone. It's such an easy bike to start with the ignition system that Suzuki made especially for it to be easy to start.
And unchanged for 5 years is not extreme for japanese manufacturers. It's not like the other bikes get complete changes until after a 4-something-year run. It's always just BNG, small suspension changes and maybe other colored bar pads but we are led to believe that it's a brand new bike each year. Power of PR.
When I bought my 2022 RMZ 450 I was quoted prices as high as MSRP + destination + tax to as low as $7400.00 out the door (taxes,destination everything included).
I saw someone get a 21 5500 out the door
Yeah I got a new 2016 rmz250 from dealer right when 2017 bikes started coming out for 5200
Dealers in my area are asking more for 23 rmz’s then yamahas kawis and hondas..
That's crazy.
That’s kinda hard to believe
Very nice review!! I just have to Laugh at the haters!! They Have No Clue! For 90% of the racers out there these bikes would be very competitive and save them some big bucks! Like Kris said a little spring and valving (Most would be doing that anyway... ) And run the heck out of them!!
A stock RMZ would get destroyed against other manufacturers 2023 models and everybody knows it
@@herbcanter2114 might be the dumbest thing I’ve read on the internet in awhile. 99.9% of riders can’t ride any of these bikes to the bikes ragged edge.
Destroyed? By what? The .1% of riders that can ride these bikes to their ragged edge.
As I said, what a dumb comment.
90% of buys dont even need a 450.
@@herbcanter2114 just change the clickers and mapping then it won’t
@@herbcanter2114 You're so wrong. It's all dependent on the rider. Most racers can't ride their stock 450 anywhere near their potential!!!
Kris and Todd - superb test! Discounted, these babies are terrific. Suzuki will most probably pour R&D money when Kenny brings in the trophies. Such a historied brand in both MX and SX. They will be back...crossing my fingers. Subscribed. 👍👍
I don't think a bike is going to help him beat sexton and tomac
@@Richard-Burdett-Bow - I don't think he can beat either on ANY bike, but consistent high finishes - which Suzuki hasn't seen in years - will get them to invest in their MX bikes. There could be a surprise here and there.
Ken could not even win on the Honda that was in a battle for the MX championship. Why would he win on a bike that can barely scratch a top 10?
@@SOLDOZER - I prefer chocolate.
@@SOLDOZER because the bike doesn’t ride itself does it?
I saw one at my local dealer they had one for sale for 5,500$ (22’) model
Just got a 19 with super low hours. Some of the parts still look brand new can’t complain for $3900
I’ve been hearing how cheap these are so I went to my two local dealers who deal in Suzuki’s and neither had any good deals. They were around $1000-$1500 less than the other Japanese bikes which for that price it’s hard to justify kicking it.
Yeah i hate that argument because like you say, the deals people are talking about are rare and definitely not global (good luck finding 10 RM-Z bikes on dealer floors in the Nordic countries combined, and you wont get any 2k discounts that is for sure).
Sure there are these outliers that go for cheap but it's far from the norm, and that same thing can be said for other brands too. Especially Kawasaki that can be had for below their already "low" MSRP.
If you need a electric start you’re not a man.
@@someoneyouknow96 I like that.
@@someoneyouknow96 such a loser
@@simppe75 Ya agreed. If you got consider resale difference thats what really tells how much a bike costs ya over time to own/ride... not so much the initial cost
There was a place in Ohio that couldn't sell the 450 RMZ and had it advertised for 5500 brand new. 2019 model
Cable from Hyr long time good friend Recommend one picked it up cheap in 19 450 6 hrs or so did suspension a Lottworx headlight couldnt be happier suspension was done by Factory connections springs had to be changed 6ft3 165 lbs
Got her in 2019 bike being a 2019 from a Suzuki sales guy and bike was in a photoshoot 6 hrs on it. 2 sets of plastics and a fmf slip on and the stock muffler 5gs I love it
It would be great if someone could do a real dollar for dollar shootout. With other brands costing several thousand more that leaves a lot of room for personalization which ultimately can make it a better choice. The kick start is no big deal to me, I still haven't owned an e-start dirt bike!
You cannot personalize its rigid chassis out. For the kick start one can always get an auto clutch if that’s critical. If it were otherwise a perfect bike, I’d be fine with the kick. The problem is it is far from that.
@@cheetah694 the chassis might not be that bad if you put some good suspension on it. I’d like to see them compare the rmz with mx tech or other high end suspension
It's a DIRT BIKE... of course it's worth it!
I think sales will uptick because all the others are getting crazy expensive. I love the Husky brand and have two. A 18 FC 450 and a 2020 TX300i. But, now even the Gas Gas are up around 11 grand for a 350. If I was in the market for a new bike and I was a weekend warrior, that yellow bike with a kickstart would be all mine.
Husky, KTM, Gas Gas......same thing lol
@@stpbasss3773 3 difference prices though. The gasgas clearly is the low end model. Least power, cheapest parts (IE: cast triple clamps)
@@therawlifefamily true
I wish dealers would sell a new rmz450 for msrp. Crooks at ride now here in Jacksonville, tried to sell me a 2022 RMZ450 for $12.5k OTD. They wouldn't budge off the price either.
@2216sammy
No this was last August. Way before any talk of roczen on the suzuki was coming out
Racer X will be saying '2024 BIKE OF THE YEAR!" next season.
They say 2018 but aren't most brand on a 3-5 year cycle so the 18 update should've been ran til say 22 making it only dated by a few years. The rm is not far off the rest...especially for what you can buy them for they are great bikes and the motors are solid.
$16000 for 2023 NZ bought my 2008 for $8950, up untill this year it was worth getting a new one
Not @$9000 which they are selling at
How would the 250 be as a trail bike?
just depends on the trail types. not so good for tight trails. ok for open riding. but then the gearing will be too low for really open terrain.
most times the suggestion is don't get an MX bike for anything but MX unless you have a lot of experience setting bikes up for off road and can ride really fast. often having "less bike" is more fun and makes for a better experience.
You bash Suzuki for years and all of a sudden now it's a great bike you guys are becoming unbelievable
They're bulletproof from what I understand. However I would love to see a major upgrade in the bikes.I would like to see an offroad version like the 450X.
Agreed, I also heard they might come out with two strokes as well for 2024
@Ayden Rich I bought a 2006 RM 250. I had to put the heaviest flywheel weight I could find to make the thing rideable.
I would buy a new '23 RMZ250 If I could find one near me!! -Ohio
since they fixed the new gen transmissions (2010 ish) im sure they have been reliable bikes
99% of us are dudes who ride on weekends and hit trails people gotta stop making it like they require exactly what factory riders need to compete at the highest level
I’m all about the Suzuki but at 37 years old, and riding bikes since 50s. I just can’t kickstart another bike. I grew up riding old used stuff and always needed worked on and never had money to fix. I spent too much time kicking and sweating to never hear that motor crank. Just put electric start on and I’ll buy.
Oh come on lol. You're 37 . I'm in my late 50's and I have no trouble kick starting a bike .
Still got a more modern frame than the 40 year old technolgy the European bikes are using
What are you saying ???
@@stevemx2778 the European bikes still have a steel frame, Suzuki has aluminum frame
@@aydenrich262 yeah i know that i ride ktm
But they updated the frame a lot and its maybe one of the better frame
@@stevemx2778 yeah I think they do it for a more rigid feel instead of a more plush feel like the Yamaha
Take the money you save from the sticker price and get suspension revalved/sprung, ecu/slip-on pipe, and lastly bars/grips if you need them. You'll have a better performing bike than most at the track for nearly the same amount of money. That is, if you're willing to kickstart your bike. I'm not tho.
Two strokes are still kickstart though
A slip-on won’t make 45 hp out of 36 hp.
Short answer, no. But they’re still kickin!
They have one at my local dealership for $5999 out the door🤯
Where the F do you guys live? I can’t find anything close. Every dealership around here acts like their bikes are gold.
@@someoneyouknow96 a leftover ‘22 rmz 450 is for $6000 here in Idaho
@@aydenrich262 damn. Thats a good price. Which stealership? I'm in the pnw.
@@someoneyouknow96 edge motorsports in Ontario Oregon, pretty much on the border of Idaho and Oregon
@@aydenrich262 been there before.
Its also pretty embarrassing that people talk shit about how heavy these bikes are when they weigh more than 4 strokes from 20 years ago.
The lightest is the KTM, Gasgas and husky.
The suzuki RMZ 450 is a great bike i own one an it works for me
It works FOR YOU but it's been made very clear in the video that a stock RMZ 450 IS NOT going to be good enough to keep up with other manufacturers 2023 models . It needs a lot of upgrades to be competitive.
@@herbcanter2114 I’m sure the majority of people can adjust the clickers and change the mapping and be totally fine
We need a test in the NEW 250 TWO STROKE.!!
@C.Nash there are rumors that Suzuki is coming out with two strokes in 2024
I got a rude shock the other day when my local dealer told me the RRP on the 2023 rmz450 is basically the same as the 2023 Honda450 😳😳 I thought the Suzukis were supposed to be affordable. How the hell can they expect to sell any bikes at that price ? 😂
Suzuki and Kawasaki slash prices significantly twords the end of the year. You're not going to get that discount before the model comes out. Also have to look around, not all dealers do it.
Only a Fool would buy a Suzuki.
Just becouse there not the best big deal most people never utilize the full power of a 450 unless your a pro it don’t matter I know guys that wipe the floor with a 125 aganst 450s and there not pros rms are worth a lot more then you think there for given to novice riders and predictable for most riders makes it a great bike
If your a weekend warrior this is more bike than you could ever use or need and considering the money difference you can Pick one of these up for then your crazy if you go and pay thousands more for anything else
How do you know this is more bike than I or anyone else could ever use or need . You have absolutely no idea if that's true . Another asinine comment .
@@herbcanter2114 because there's only about maybe 10 people on the planet that can actually use it to its full potential the thing will go faster than most pros can take it you idiot and you aren't on my TV so I can guarantee it ain't you 🤣🤣
@@herbcanter2114 because usually a weekend warrior doesn’t need all the bells and whistles which is exactly what the Suzuki is good for
if yellow put theese bikes at $2k less than everyone else they would be selling like hot cakes. (250cc and 450cc) nothing wrong wit these bikes besides convenance. if you actually out here racing maybe you can argue
And now we have a Suzuki review that’s not bashing the bike all this because Kenny roczen is riding one this year. For years these guys have put the rmz dead last in all shootouts funny how one rider changes that
09-13 modle good bike. You could buy one in Australia for $10500 new now they are 13k-14 no thanks
I ❤ Big air Todd
suzuki have always built the most reliable bikes. that's not even up for debate.
i ride ktm, have done for years and will likely never leave but let us all be honest, we buy what we buy and 99% of us would NEVER extract what the RMZ can offer, our buying isn't about performance - if they provided eleccy start their sales would go up though, it's 2023 in a couple of weeks FFS zook....
Is it really 15Kg heavier than a Yamaha
The kyb should be on the 450
Almost always been exclusively Showa for Suzuki
@@jonruger yes I am just saying from it being over sprung on 250 I wonder if it would be better suited for 450 balance and weight?
@@JD-jn5we oh I agree with that it’s just something weird they chose to do Honda has done the same thing. There were years the CR125 had all or half KYB but never on the CR250. Same in the more modern CRF/RMZ days they both have still done that I bet that RMZ250 with the Yamaha style KYB forks would be amazing.
This video sucks, I was hoping you'd say to stay away from Suzuki. As a Vet rider I was looking at getting a 350, but now I don't know. With the RM Army deal, and the cheaper price, leaves money left over for mods. You should do a price point shootout. A KTM 350 is around $11,000, what mods would you do to the Suzuki with the extra money?
First mod should always be getting the suspension setup for you. Everyone always worried about looks ect but never spend the money on the most important thing on a bike which is suspension.
@Justin Time I agree, suspension is number 1 and it's often overlooked for bling. I'm wondering how a big bore Rmz 250 would do in the vet class against 450's.
i want to own a 350 too, but the gut feeling is the Suzook would do more for you in the long run. KTM's can be unforgiving and finicky. if you can handle 450 power, i'd say wait on the 350. they will only keep getting better. look how much better the WP fork got in just 3 years. you sure don't want an older WP fork. another 3 years could be amazing.
as for mods, do the suspension up right, not just gold valves and spring rates. pay someone to keep tuning the valving for you till its perfect. the stiff MX settings on stock bikes are so far off. the results are the most worth-it thing we can imagine in having day to day fun on a bike. the difference can be huge.
just sending the forks away to be done is not enough. its still a generic setting. you need to do testing and fine tuning to really know what you can have. its worth all the effort. i dont know much about A-kit's etc, but simply fine tuning the valving offers so much range of option to match your riding type.
In Australia these bikes aren't any cheaper than the others.... fark that
If you got consider resale difference thats what really tells how much a bike costs ya over time to own/ride... not so much the initial cost
still haven't found a better deal than my new left over 22 kx450...7499 otd.
Leftover ‘22 rmz 450 here in Idaho for $6000
@@aydenrich262 what’s the otd?
@@cleanmachineautodetailing not sure
SUZUKIII best motocross bikee
Yes! Agreed
It doesn’t have a battery start. That’s the only thing these bikes are missing.
It can be good if you have a dead battery
I got a 22 kx450 for 7700 otd…Suzuki was more money actually. They need better rebates and they would sell
I'm just here for the twisted tea
If they modify for 2024 I’d purchase one of the 450s for 8500
There is ZERO chance you will be able to purchase one for $8500.00 if Suzuki updates them.
Minus well get a KTM and Husqvarna 23 125 with that 🤷♂️
i ride all suzukis since 2005 rm 125,250,rmz250,450. the rmz 250 had so bad durability worst bike of history for me!
What year? Don’t let a bad year ruin it for you
@@aydenrich262 rmz 250 ,2008 i buy it brand new, shithole bike.
@@vwgtdturbo exactly, that was the last year of carburetor, after that they were awesome
@@aydenrich262 yes the newer efi bike little better, but same shit engine ,and sam worst durability.gearbox,crankcase, all threads broken
@@vwgtdturbo no, they’ve updated the inside of the engine in 2011 and then again in 2016
Keefer, you contradicted yourself multiple times in this video 😂
You can’t hide the fact that Suzuki is NOT behind on the times.
saying they aren’t and then they are after… it’s obvious they ARE a proven machine and other manufacturers have spent the last 5 years trying to figure what Suzuki is doing to make such a great and well priced bike with little to NO changes throughout the years.
Maybe people just need to learn how to ride better, instead of blaming everything on the machine 🤷♂️ the harder you are on a Suzuki the better it does… isn’t that what everyone wants !!!???
Cheese and rice 🤦♂️
Hell no. The resale value is about 2 packs of bubble gum. You can get these bikes a couple years old for a nickel, no one wants them. Actual cost of ownership is much higher than the "expensive" bikes.
Don't forget you get a free yoshi
Racer X ranked the Suzuki dead last ever year and dogged it up till a month ago. Hahaha!! What happened???? Bunch of bandwaggoners!
Nothing happened, Racer X STILL ranks the Suzuki dead last compared to all the other models .
Not yet but after A1 they will be , an the 2024 will have electric start #nomokickstartkenny
13k-14k in Australia for 2023 rmz450 🤣🤣🤣
I still can't believe Ken chose Suzuki I want to see how the kick starter will affect him when he falls down.
If they make him a custom e-start or put an auto clutch on, he should be fine
Not being a pro, I know my opinion doesn't matter, but WHT in hell hasn't Suzuki at least introduced an electric start!? That right there is why I won't even take a second look. It is moronic to me.
These have nothing to do with KR, buy anything else! These should have 3k kick start discount
No one watching this video could out-ride either of these bikes…
What a ridiculous thing to say .
@@herbcanter2114 it’s not ridiculous but what he said isn’t entirely true either
Still with a kick starter....😂😂😂
So are two strokes
KenZ 450
Totally worth it!!!! Or go grab a leftover 2022 for a killer deal… I find these are more updated then the Kawasakis… way more compact like the Yamaha is.. Kawi feels top heavy and bulky feeling up top… crazy weird “dumbo” front fender too on the Kawasakis too…. Coming from a guy who’s had 3 Kawasaki bikes since 2001. Had a kx125, then 2007 Kx250f and then a 2014/2015 kx450, sat on a 2022 Kx450 and this Suzuki RMZ450…. Suzuki felt better so far.. the suspension does feel perfect for us bigger people, I’m 6ft 4 205-210 lbs maybe 215 with gear
Just grabbed a 2022, here in the Midwest of ILLINOIS/Wisconsin. $6500 but then tax, documentation fee, shipping fees.. yeah she was up towards 8k in the end
As long as Kenny gets his suspension right it will be fine
You can pick up a new one for $7,000
A 250 yes
Ken Roczen thinks they are so I do too
Suzuki team . Pay tomac . For the champ