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@@TheTwelfthWizard Yes I am curious about the sound as well. I obtained an episode from a not-so-legal source, which specifically stated it was in 5.1 audio, as I wanted to compare it to the current DVDs. It could be the Blu-Ray rip wasn't done properly, but this is what I got: -When I play the episode on my desktop PC (which is only stereo speakers, so it gets downsampled), I only get audio from my left speaker. This doesn't happen with the DVD version of SG-1, or any other 5.1 audio show I play. -When I play the episode on my media center PC (which is running through a Onkyo Dolby Atmos / DTS-HD capable amp with 5.1 speakers, and I let the amp do the audio decoding, not the media center PC), I get audio from all the speaker channels but it is the same audio on all speakers, dialog is present on all the channels and not just the center channel, there is absolutely no surround sound effect at all. This doesn't happen with the DVD version of SG-1, or any other 5.1 audio show I play. So I am scared to jump the gun on this set if they messed up the 5.1 audio but the problem is I don't know if it's the Blu-Ray version that is the issue, or the person that ripped it and put it online didn't properly process the audio for it. I would really like to see a reviewer that is familiar with digital audio formats and has a proper 5.1 amp for decoding Dolby / DTS verify if there is the audio issues I mentioned. I tried downloading an episode from a season here and there (yes I know I shouldn't get illegal shows and I am 100% wanting to buy this box-set but I have to make sure the publisher didn't mess it up, it's expensive!) and the same issue is always present, but it could just be the rip is messed up. I guess for now until I know for sure I will stick with the DVD release. I find audio just as important as the picture and I will gladly live with a slightly more grainy picture if it means I get an immersive 5.1 surround audio experience when I crank up my amp for the fantastic on-screen action this show has!
@@patrick3876 I agree. I just ordered it, so I’ll come back and let you know if it’s all of it. I have a lot of free time so it won’t take long to sample a bunch of the episodes. I did see in a couple reviews that the sound source is mislabeled on the disc though. The 2.0 is actually the 5.1 and vice versa, at least for the first 3 seasons or so. I’ll find out. I also hear they are quietly fixing it on their newest re-prints of the set. But that’s only from one reviewer. But I agree. Sound is just as important as picture, and I’ve never been too bothered with my DVD collection. But my curiosity has driven me crazy enough that I need to know for myself about the Blu Ray.
@Bill Zoeker : the masters are created from the original film negatives so what are you talking about? Like Daisy Duckface said you need to rescan all of the film then make sure you get the correct scenes and try to redo all of the post-production as accurate as possible.
its certainly given everything a warmer hue, the golds look fantastic and the colours are so much more vivid. both versions look good, but this has more made me crave a real re-master rather than made me want to go buy the blu-rays
You have no idea how important this video ended up being to me haha. This started a domino effect that has now come to it's conclusion here with me returning here to the video. I had always yearned for a blu-ray release of SG-1, but having watched the series many times on DVD I had kind of moved off of the show long ago, I would occasionally check on the blu-ray news for SG-1 but there was never anything and eventually I guess I stopped looking and forgot all about it... Enter this video popping up on my recommended about a year and a half ago. There it was the news that SG-1 had in fact now had a Blu-ray release, this made me very very excited indeed and I ordered and imported the set from the US to the UK, (the upscaling looked like an ok improvement but the main reason for my excitement and the reason I had considered just importing a US DVD set in the past was that the UK DVDs and episodes played 5% too fast and that included a faster and higher pitched audio track, this is cos uk PAL DVDs play at 25 fps and film is at 24, so they speed it up etc etc anyway). It arrived and finally I binge watched and completed all of SG-1 again and I was extremely happy with the way it now looked and now with the series in this shape looking good enough when I moved into a shared house with my friends for our second and third years of University I showed the series to them and we watched all of SG-1 that year, and not just that we loved it so much that we even got out the watch order spreadsheet and for the first time even for me we watched all of Stargate: Atlantis, a show I had always put off and had never watched and what a great great show. Even with that concluded we moved on, onto a show I originally never had any intention of watching even by myself, but there we moved onto the final show. Earlier we finished the final episode of Stargate: Universe, I got very teary eyed with the final shot of what is to this date the final shot of the Stargate franchise, I never watched it because I never wanted it to end and now it is over, very bittersweet. And so I thank you as in a roundabout way this is all because of you. It is funny how these sort of things can happen, and how theres an alternate reality version of someone, like me, who would have never watched this video and everything would be totally different for them now and there would be people out there who had never seen Stargate who now have and I would likely have never seen the two spin offs. Never know what will come from something you post or do or say but it has had an effect. P.S. yes we watched Origins some time ago as well and yh we all thought it was an abomination and we do not speak of it lol.
Initial reaction when swiping from dvd to blu-ray, "OMG it all turned pink!" Swipes back to dvd, "OMG it all turned yellow!" Thank you for making this. Convinced me to get it. The colors look more natural to me on the blu-ray. Plus I have many random episodes that are scratched on my dvds. I have never had a blu-ray that got scratched, so this seems worth it to me.
oh yes that's terrible, skipping dvd's. I got that on my original box set too on a number of ex's,, must've played sg1 over and over again into oblivion '_)
This was like watching more than 10 years of my life in flashbacks. Memories of times so rough… But a new episode of SG-1 seemed to make it just a little better somehow. With my eyes open, ... I can see the difference. But with my eyes closed,… I’m on the team. And my memories are all in 4K baby.
if they gonna scan the film at some point, they better take straight to 4K, at least the 35mm film stock lends itself perfectly for that, for the older seasons shot on 16mm, they would need to do some extra digital shenanigans, but it's still doable, at cost, that's the only problem, an actual remaster takes time and loads of money unfortunately ;_(
@@DaveFlash No they wouldn't. 16mm film, or any film can be scanned at whatever resolution you want. It's just that you reach a point where you won't get any more detail out of it.
Nope. You lose all graphic FXs. What's the point to look at a sharp image of Teal'c with a jaffa staff that do nothing? Or a space battle that is just a black screen?
There is no such thing. Meaning, there is no one single continuous piece of film for any single episode. VFX would have been composited into a piece of film, live action shots into another, all made up from various "types" of film. This is why all the individual pieces have to be scanned, scaled, and completely re-edited as if the episode had just been shot. This is how Star Trek The Next Generation was done, including recreating all the VFX from scratch. And unfortunately, even for a show of that magnitude, it turned out to not be cost-effective, and other shows like Deep Space Nine and Voyager will likely never get that treatment because of it. The same applies to Stargate. There just aren't enough people willing to pay for it to justify doing it.
Problem is the 90's early 2000 vfx laden tv shows we all love used a 480p digital intermediate to incorporate the effects into digital editors to cut costs and improve production times so even if you could get the original 35mm film stock and rescan it to 4k/1080p you then have to reincorporate the vfx shots manually over the top (=costly!!). However there have been some interesting results using ai upscaling to improve over the standard sharpening passes and dnr these re releases normally get (hopefully in not too distant future tvs themselves will auto ai upscale lower resolution images for us!). Great video though!!
I would also recommend for comparison videos like this to upload in 1440p or even 4k just so that youtube compression doesn't make it so difficult to see the differences in picture and so that the blu ray detail is seen in full.
Excited to finally have at least an upscale. Something we still don’t have for ds9 or voyager. Won’t be buying it right away but one day I will. I really appreciate the comparison thank you!
Nothing makes me more happy than any kind of remastering or upscaling of my favourite shows, it's like a whole new experience watching them again and thus renews the multiple bing watching
So true, but I must add, when done correctly. After watching Star Trek a million times, I found the remastered version quite satisfying. And well worth the cost.
I've heard there was missing content on the Blurays for the earlier seasons in the way of the audio selections. Something about the original DVDs having the proper surround sound tracks while the Bluray versions omitted them or did a shoddy conversion or something?
I noticed when the supergate was activated the gate itself DID in fact look like native 1080p that was the only time I could tell.. or indicated it was not just 480/576p upscaled to 1080p in the later seasons... also samatha carters pupet hair from the puppet episode
1:45 that’s why I still use my PS3 so much...play my DVDs throug it and going through HDMI onto the large plasma screen tv...it doesn’t seem to suffer...cos hardware upscale to 720p I believe...
Thank you for making this video! I've been on the fence about getting the new Blu-rays because of the heavy DNR, but it honestly doesn't look that bad to me. It's definitely an improved image!
Kinda wish some of the comparisons were just split screen instead of wipes. But very good comparison otherwise. Also, it might be due to the way you captured it, or the compression you chose prior to uploading to youtube. But I'm not getting any of the grain even in the DVD. I know from ripping the occasional episode to my computer that the grain is definitely there in the 480p, but here everything is looking rather smoothed out :/ And your statement at 11:26, between season 7 and season 8 is a little misleading. 35mm is generally regarded as a higher quality medium than 1080p, for example 4K scans from 35mm are the norm. What really changed is how they were mastering the shows (the final export). Starting in season 8 the entire pipeline was 1080p. Whereas before their film scans from the film lab were only SD. Definitely looks like at least seasons 9 and 10, they used the 1080p masters. Season 8 it was hard to tell if the improvement in quality was as drastic as in 9 and 10. I would be curious to see a blu-ray to blu-ray comparison of Atlantis.
Thanks, Ian. I attempted some still split-screens, and ended up finding a bug that crashed my editor over and over again. So I had to forego it to get the video done. You're right about the scanning and editing process too, of course. There are so many steps in production (and making RUclips videos!) where picture quality will be affected. The switch from film to digital was dramatic for production for many reasons, but at the end of the day I suppose the most important was what was being provided to the editor and what the editor was exporting with his final picture lock.
@@GateWorldDotNet and I do wanna be clear that you did a great job! It's a very well done review. Much much much better than anything I've seen. It's well produced and put together
Yeah they went a little too far. I compared it to some other skin tones and it definitely has too much red and purple. It's not a nice natural skin tone.
Note that a modern TV is going to have some color correction to optimize for its own display. This capture is more "raw" in that it isn't benefitting from any hardware corrections other than what my old Sony Blu-ray player is doing.
@@GateWorldDotNet I noticed quite a few comments about the color, and I was very confused as I didn't recall mine looking quite so yellow. So I checked, and the ones I have from 'the same' fancy box set that you also show off (but PAL region.. the vertical resolution is 576) is not at all so yellow. I don't know if I can post links, so please see imgur album /a/LSb9apm .. ignore the differences in crispness (I'm sure RUclips didn't do your video any favors) and focus only on the color. The color in my set looks just fine.. a smidge better than the Blu-ray one even? (follow-up comment to contain link, but might get filtered)
@@PanoWorks That's helpful, thanks. Your top Bra'tac pic looks a bit green on my current display. But I think the coloration here is going to be rather heavily dependent upon hardware (the player and the display). My capture card might be futzing with the image a little bit, but with everything I have run through it it's more likely that my DVD player isn't awesome with color.
Perfect this is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. There was some controversy I saw in other comments and forums but the blu-ray seems to be worth it looking at your video. I wish it was all shot on 35mm so we could have a true 4k some day. If someone actually spent the money to remaster the affects too. But with the last 3 seasons shot digitally that means those would have to be upscaled. And anything on 16mm is lost to that too. I'm going to pick up the blu-rays, sure it's not the perfect situation but it's the best we can expect for now and probably a long time.
It's not perfect but any stretch. But I will reiterate that with some additional hardware upscaling (in my case, an LG 4k television) it looks terrific. Better than what I captured here, which just used a Blu-ray player and a capture card. The hardware is also going to do the color- correction needed for the local display.
I respectfully disagree. This just shows that upscaling isn't enough. I can't see myself spending money on this when I already have the DVDs. Now, if they did a true remaster (a la TNG), I'd be happy to buy both SG-1 and DS9 again.
Just found this video as I was looking for information on VEI's BluRay release. After the three years since this video came out, there still does not seem to be a remaster on the horizon. Makes me wonder, should I wait, since I have some of the DVDs and the Blu-ray of Atlantis or should I look into getting this BluRay set?
Slight correction, HD video does not have higher quality (in terms of resolution) than 35 mm. However, previously the first scanned the 35 mm to get a SD digital source which they then used to edit the episodes. If you actually wanted to turn the show HD, you could do that by scanning the original camera negatives and re-editing them together and is actually usually done when you see a film being "restored". Shows like Friends, Sex and the City or The X-Files, which aren't very VFX heavy habe actually done that, but with sci fi shows like SG-1 the problem is usually the VFX which have to be painstakingly recomposited (which is difficult and time-consuming) and also involves usually recreating many of the digital models which have usually been discarded. Star Trek The Next Generation did one such remaster and it looks amazing, but the show didn't require the recreation of many digital effects and... it also was a massive Money loss for the company at the time.
Yes, that's right -- the HD upscale improves on the quality of the SD resolution taken from the original film. As you say MGM could remaster the series from the film (as TNG did), but this is still prohibitively expensive -- which I think is why they went the upscaling route instead.
@@GateWorldDotNet I think an alternative would be to do what Warner did with B5: remaster all the footage without VFX and upscale the rest. B5 looks inconsistent but still pretty great and much better than on the DVDs. But from what I see here, the upscales on Stargate look pretty decent. I bought the big box set with all 17 seasons and figured: 10 out of 17 will be true HD, so the math worked for me.
@@fgdj2000 The DVD's look fine, I watch mine upscaled and they look like they are HD pretty well. I think the Blu-ray is a waste of $60 for that set. Especially considering there were no extra features either.
I've looked into Machine learning for upscaling. It would be possible to take the last few seasons of SG-1 and train the AI using that source material. I assume it would work even better because the image structure of the last few seasons would have relevance in the earlier seasons. You'd have to train your own AI image upscaler specifically for SG-1. I want to try this eventually and see how it turns out.
To properly train these things, you need a crap load of source material. Even then (along with the likes of Voyager, DS9 etc), the initial quality is lacking so much that it's never going to be any better than what you can get from already existing options (that have been trained using a far far far far more extensive video library) like Video Enhance etc.
The shot where O'Neil enters the gate room and starts firing on the super-soldier from Avatar in Season 8 shows some clear interlacing artifacts. It's the only one I noticed, but it appears that they might not have had a 1080p source.
You have convinced me. 😊 I just ordered the complete collection via Amazon. Also ordered copies of TAOT and Continuum, which I didn't have on Blu-Ray, yet, to complete the set. Haven't seen the show in a while, so This seems a good reason to rewatch it again. Maybe even introduce it to my significant other. Next to Star Trek and Babylon 5 (and Star Wars), STARGATE was my jam.
@GateWorld, could do a favor and check you green settings on the dvd player ... it is just to off scale. Or try to watch it on your blue-ray player of the greenish look is still there?
There's a shot near the end of the video (of Sha're, from "Forever In a Day") that compares the scene from a DVD player and the same disc played in the Blu-ray player. The color is noticably improved, as well as the picture being upscaled. I'd say the color may be coming mainly from my old DVD player. But it's always a "you mileage may vary" situation -- your player and display will manage the color space to try and optimize the picture.
My favorite SciFi show bar none. My second favorite is SG: Atlantis. I have watched my DVDs over and over and over again. I think I go through each of them once or twice per year while I work out on my treadmill. Great show. I am not sure I need the BluRay versions but I would definitely pay for a remastered version some day.
Hi, how comes there are two different versions of Stargate SG-1 on blu ray. They seem to have done a rerelease with slightly different artwork, now a lighter blue and in front of the stargate, still with Jonas. But before the blu ray had the same artwork as the DVD darker blue and inside the stargate. Do you have an idea what and why that is and if the discs are any different, and VEI now advertise 5.1 audio on the website for it, and don't for the DVD version or the big Bluray boxset with all three shows? It's just confusing and wondering about it?
After the release and initial reviews VEI did make those changes you mention ... but we have no idea if the contents of the discs were altered in any way. So I would assume they are not any different. VEI has ignored our repeated attempts to contact them to get questions answered (or even to help promote the release through our coverage).
I own most of Stargate on VHS &/or DVD Standard Rental Distribution Packaged as well as some DVD Series Packaged. The rental packaged DVDs were a mix of new & second hand Video Ezy, but I don't have all the episodes as Graham was closing the rental franchise one store a week while Stargate SG-1 was still in production. I would like to complete the set with the series I don't have but I'm not sure if they're available in Australia. This also applies to Stargate Atlantis & Stargate Universe. I'd like to have the whole of each series.
Overall it does look better but at the same time I'm not fond of the amount of purple in the scenes. A lot of the people look like they have a high fever. In some scenes they do look better. Not sure if I'll get the BR version just yet.
The DVD captures here definitely look greenish, and the Blu-ray captures more reddish. But note that modern TVs are going to also do some color correction to optimize it for your display. When I pop these discs in and play them on my LG 4K television they don't look red at all.
Hey, Taylor! I saw an early report that the bonus features were also upscaled, but from the ones I have looked at so far they most definitely have NOT. After watching upscaled episodes they're pretty rough. The bonus features and commentaries all appear to be here, with the exception of "Stargate SG-1: The Lowdown" -- the first SCI FI Channel special that aired prior to Season 7. That's on the DVD Collector's Edition but has been left out here (I assume for space reasons). I watched "Small Victories" with the audio commentary last week and had a lot of fun. :)
Hard to truly tell through RUclips's compression. There's a difference but I bet it's more pronounced in person. I'll wait until they release a true remaster, hopefully at 4k (pretty sure they can get that out of 16mm?) in the future. $170 for all Stargate content on Blu-Ray when it's just upscaled is a bit much. At least when streaming is available.
I don't know if filming in digital was really future proofing, 1080p digital cameras will look worse than 35mm once it is uplscaled later on to 4k/8k, especially for the CGI visual effects. So those last two seasons will probably look worse in the long run if they ever make 4k/8k releases.
I do -- but not by a lot, unless like me you have a 4K television that adds further upscaling. My next picture comparison video will be for the streaming services (though with the shows recently leaving Amazon Prime, I'm not sure I'll do it right away -- though I did make sure to capture a bunch of footage before Amazon took them down). If you have a good 4K TV, go Blu-ray. Otherwise, you'll get a good picture from Amazon Prime ... when Stargate comes back. Avoid Netflix and Hulu, at least for the first four seasons or so. The picture is 4:3 and the resolution is, TBH, trash.
I'm watching the blurays in a UHD TV and the difference is astounding. I can know enjoy the cinematograpy, the clever camera work, the details in the background of the scene, truly appreciate the work of the production crew and the directors. The only weird parts are some scenes with VFX where the live action scenes don't scale up well and are very blurry. But anyway, a fantastic improvement.
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SG-1 seasons 8 through 10 are readily available on torrent sites. They were at one point available on Amazon Prime in 1080p.
Just so you know, at present, no streaming service can match the data rate of actual Blu-ray disc.
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@@krane15 Bitrate on Prime is really good. I'm just saying that it's been available for years, so it should be easy to compare to the new release and determine if they just upscaled the DVD versions for some unexplainable reason.
@ The reason is cost. Upscaling is a whole lot cheaper and less risky than remastering 10 years worth of TV shows. It would make the box series more expensive and not enough people would buy it to make it worth the efforts. Remember, you have to have a A/V system to reveal all of the quality. Besides, at this point if they were going to do a remaster they may as well jump straight to 4K.
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@@krane15 Umm, yes. Again. They shot S08-S10 of SG-1, the whole of SG:A and SG:U in 1080p. This was not mentioned in the video and it remains unclear if they merely copied the native 1080p files or upscaled them from 480p for some absolutely dumb reason. I'm missing this comparison in the video.
Atlantis is already released in native 1080p on blu ray. Same with Universe Season 1. Universe Season 2 was released in HD on streaming. I'm willing to bet that there will be nearly no difference except for Universe Seasson 2, which will benefit from a higher blu ray bit rate.
I'll have to get my hands on some DVDs again -- my SGA DVDs were damaged or lost. But my guess is that VEI has the same 1080p episodes that they have applied a DNR pass to. So that's probably most of what we'd be looking at in a side-by-side comparison: artifact smoothing.
Hello I think the picture with bluray is better too, but in Germany there is currently only the DVD version to buy and this bluray box only has English sound
You have an error in the conversion of the DVD signal or are trying to mislead. The green color cast does not exist on 25 fps copies. I just double-checked. Maybe it is caused by incorrect matrix coefficients. Although it would take multiple generations of bt.601/709 to cause so much shift. The vaxy quality of the later episodes from season 5 onwards makes everything look like the dream in "Threads". Noise reduction should not be done, but enough bitrate should be given to reproduce the noise without turning static. The earlier episodes were sharp and contrasty.
Many thanks - here in the UK we would never have known this was available (and in the UK it actually isn't, and I am hoping I don't get screwed over with import fees). Ordered. This will replace my DVD sets, although they will still be kept.
Okay, I followed the original link to the order page at Amazon - only to be told that I was 'outside the shipping range for this item' and it pointed me to another page with the same item on offer so I bought it as they would ship to the UK. They arrived yesterday and when I opened them all I found was a box full of DVD's. DVD-Video on the packaging, DVD-Video logos - so I am returning the set unopened. To say I was disappointed is putting it mildly. So if you are in the UK this product is not actually available, it seems.
Could be interesting to see the diferences on the Atlantis series. Is much modern and maybe the upscale from the dvds is noticible. Thanksss youuu!! Great job n.n
Why would they have upscaled from the NTSC 480i version when the higher quality PAL 576i version of all the shows is also available? I have the PAL versions right here, like millions of other people. The upscaled Blu Ray files definitely look better in that the images are less fuzzy, but to my eyes, the images seem to have acquired a slightly excessive red/pink shade.
Never bought any Stargate discs. These are tempting. Just can't justify the cost at the moment. Maybe when my finances are better. Still be nice to see this get a full remaster. Likewise with Babylon 5. But I don't ever see that happening.
I haven't seen the the blu-ray yet, but yeah maybe it was captured with HD cams but original mastering was in uncompressed 480p. So they had only a 480p version. Till season 9 they maybe switched to 1080p mastering...
Season 8 of SG-1 was the first native HD release and was not an upscale. Just wish they went back to the original negatives and put some effort into it but this is not a MGM release since they given it to another studio they obviously have no intention to. They need to sell to a studio who will put an effort in to remaster it.
Thanks for the review. I’m buying this release, I never picked up the series on dvd. I’d been holding off buying it because I knew later seasons were filmed in hd and wanted a physical media copy. This fits the bill, while I want a complete series remaster the cost involved has convinced me waiting longer is unlikely to produce what I want.
Brother- 35mm film is higher resolution than HD cameras. 35mm resolves at 4-6K. 95% of digitally shot films (even today)- have a 2K post production pipeline. 35mm blows that away with true native 4K+ resolution. (Most 4K blu rays of digital films are upscales from 2K)
SG:U season 2 has never been released on Blu-ray before, so I'll be picking that up. Personally I don't think the difference is worth the hassle. Have you done a comparison of the special features? Anything extra/missing there? Also I've seen comments that the audio tracks aren't labelled correctly on the earlier seasons, so Stereo is actually 5.1 and vice versa. Can you confirm that?
The SG-1 set is missing "Stargate SG-1: The Lowdown," the first special that aired on SCI FI Channel ahead of Season 7. Otherwise everything seems to be here. Nothing new was produced. I am not currently set up to confirm the audio tracks, but I've seen multiple reports online that the 5.1 surround is completely botched. After Season 1 VEI appears to have mixed the stereo tracks to 5 channels. Fortunately they don't actually list 5.1 as a selling point, or on the package; they really should have removed it from the menu if they couldn't port it over from the DVD releases properly.
It’s been confirmed now via multiple sources that the Season 1 5.1 tracks are excellent. NOTE that the original Season 1 DVDs did not include 5.1 mixes, so this is a welcome addition. However, the Seasons 2 through 10 5.1 mixes are all botched. For those seasons you should choose the (default) Stereo mixes and let your A/V Receiver simulate the surround via their Pro-Logic II decoders. Nobody knows why they just didn’t just use the 5.1 mixes that were included with the DVDs. It’s been speculated that using the original mixes may have caused some lip sync issues due to all of the video processing. But that doesn’t explain Seasons 8 through 10 which shouldn’t have required as much processing.
@@scorpiusbalthazar4327 In the 5.1 mix, each of the five channels contains the stereo mix, not the individual left/right/center/rear left & right tracks.
@@scorpiusbalthazar4327 - VEI apparently attempted to create 5.1 mixes from the available stereo mixes. In theory this should have been possible with professional grade PL-II decoders optimized for movie mode, and this is quite possibly what they did to create the Season One 5.1 mixes. However, they apparently set up the decoders wrong for the remaining seasons and/or used different equipment. The end result is rather bizarre, with, apparently, the right stereo track discretely being fed to the surround speakers; while the left track is being fed to the right front, center channel, and left front. So no split surrounds and no front separation is available from these so-called 5.1 mixes. Even the most basic home PL-II decoding circuit can do a much better job of creating a surround effect from the stereo tracks, so just forget that the 5.1 mixes on these discs exist for seasons 2-10. (And VEI doesn’t advertise them as being available, so perhaps it was a mistake that they were even included?)
I didn't have an old DVD collection as I only recently started watching the series via stream. So I got the big BD box set of all three series, then bought the two SG1 movies.
Wow really very well done video. Thank you very much !!!! I can clearly see that the Blu-ray version (even the upscaled parts, which also show much less compression artefacts) has a much better picture. I saw in a video that supposedly there are 2 Blu-ray US versions of Universe. Supposedly the new version is region free the old version (which also has spanish n french language) is region locked. So it could be that I will try to import the complete series from the USA to watch Stargate the fist time in my life in english language. I have already seen the series many times in German and French. If you are a big fan of the series, you can learn or improve your language knowledge so easily...
Thank you, Daisy! Yes, if I'm remembering right, the original Blu-ray release of SGU Season 1 did have other languages. VEI has opted for an English-only release here.
The difference is big in the tones. The DVD has a yellowish/green tinge to the image whilst the Bluray seems to favour reddish tones. I presume this has nothing to do with the upscaling element, though but playing with the chroma levels?
The color is really striking. I think most consumers are accustomed to a player-TV display combo that fixes a lot of this on the fly, including hardware upscaling and color space, in order to optimize the picture for THAT particular display. As I understand it, DVDs weren't designed to be played on modern flat-panel televisions. I wanted to try and capture what is on the disc without any of the hardware adjustments (since they vary from one living room to the next). The wipe of Sha're near the end of the video shows this. One is the (greenish) DVD original, and the wipe is the same scene from the same disc played in a Blu-ray player instead of a DVD player. The hardware adjusts the color as well as upscales the picture a little bit.
@@GateWorldDotNet I think this will be the best we get unfortunately. People waiting for the film elements to be remastered will likely be waiting as they draw their last breath. TNG remastering was a financial failure in the end and plans for DS9 & Voyager were shelved. Stargate has no hope if Star trek can't even make a success of remastering from a financial point of view. Unless technology changes, then this is what we're stuck with. Also Trek had a dedicated team involved in its remaster who love and KNOW the show, while Gate had a bunch of disinterested bean counters overseeing its release. Hence why we get a wrong front cover with no Daniel Jackson. Can you imagine that slipping by with someone who actually knows the show!
@@GateWorldDotNet While they may have not had today's 4K OLED displays in mind, some flat panels existed when DVD was created and it was intended to be flexible with aspect ratio.
the image does look better. I will probably get it soon but there is nothing on the sound? is it still dolby surround like the DVD's or they DTS HD? anyone who as it can confirm? thanks
This particular video is aimed at picture comparisons, and is not a full review. I don't have the hardware set up right now to test the audio, but multiple reports are that the 5.1 surround option (listed on the disc menus, but fortunately not on the packaging or marketing material) is botched. It looks as though, after Season 1, VEI discarded the 5.1 mix from the DVDs and faked a surround mix by spreading the stereo channels around. So you'll get a standard Dolby stereo mix, but no surround sound -- and certainly no HD audio.
Great video. Thanks for showing it. But I don't see a big difference to be honest. It would be better if they would ask the fans to choose 5-10 episodes from season 1-7 (like Children of the gods, Torment of Tantalus, The Fifth Race, Nemesis, Windows of Opportunity, The Lost City 1-2) then make the true conversion for these selected fan favorites and then release those digitally or on Blue-ray. So they could test the waters if fans are willing to pay for these updated versions without risking too much. Maybe the new owner would invest into it. I would like to see definately a Lost City, part 1-2 extended with Avalon battle sequences.
Cheep capture cards dont have full colour resolution support so unless you have YUY support at that 30fps you are adding a layer of compression as most use MJPEG if anything you should have done true MTS rips for direct comparison....
Correct, as soon as he described how he’d captured this footage, it was hard to take the examples with more than a grain of salt. I have one of these cheap USB capture cards and the quality is poor.
It's the closest we have in streaming right now (when Amazon is streaming SG-1), but it's not equivalent. The streaming undergoes another compression pass, unlike what is running from a physical disc. So the disc should look better to most people.
I got all three Stargate series on Blu-Ray from VEI. I had the DVD version of SG-1 and Atlantis and I agree this is no remaster like Star Trek has done with TOS and TNG but this is the best Stargate has ever looked. And it is definitely worth the upgrade.
No it isn't worth it. Your TV is already going to upscale it FOR FREE. Plus, it will get better as upscalers get better. This nonsense upscaled set is not worth the money.
@@reh3884 If you have a TV or Blu-ray player with a good processor I agree you may not want to upgrade. I personally think the quality is decent and worth the cost, especially after having watched almost all of SG1 and Atlantis now.
@@reh3884 No that is not true. The studio has a better upscale source, the original master tapes. Those are way better than DVD. DVD has all kinds of compression issues, and aliasing, blocking etc. Even though the master tapes are not High Def they are still better sources than a DVD upscaled. And plus the Blu-ray has color correction.
I want to buy SG-1 on Blu Ray but I can only import it to Ireland via Ebay and that costs €231. Also I don't like how they made the skin tones so red in the blu rays. I play the DVD box set on my Panasonic UB391 4K blu ray and it does a good job of upscaling to 4K but it doesn't get rid of the blocky compression artifacts. Oh and I have Atlantis on Blu Ray with nearly two years.
Could the skin tone differences be because of different SD vs HD color spaces? Rec601, smtp170e, bt470bg versus Rec701? Also, a minor "bonus" to the BluRay edition is that BluRays are supposed to be sturdier than DVDs (I'm not willing to test this lol)
@@schwartzy65 I ripped one of the episodes and MediaInfo is showing: Color primaries : BT.709 Transfer characteristics : BT.709 Matrix coefficients : BT.709 not sure if a ColorMatrix(mode="Rec.601->Rec.709") avisynth command would have improved the colors in this transfer... worth a shot anyway.
For seasons 8-10 I think they used the same transfer, just compressed it less for BD specs. And messed up the color to the reddish side. RUclips further compressing video doesn't let to truly see if HDR has made eveeyone look bottoxed. I will keep my UK DVDs for now.
Yeah, I wish I could be convinced that VEI used a 1080p native source for Seasons 8-10. But unless they tell us, it's all guesswork. You're right that those episodes might be further benefitting from less compression, in addition to the upscaling and DNR passes.
the issue here is that you can totally get a 4K clean footage from 35mm but since all the visual effect are digital and probably made in 480p it would need also to remake all the visual effect in at least 1080p to not see a massive gap between scene with actor and visual effect
apparently they messed up the 5.1 mix on these Blu Rays... people say the subwoofer (LF) channel is missing. so more like 5.0 than 5.1. So, i guess ripping these and mixing in the DVD 5.1 track is the only way to fix this then.
While you’ve sold me on the video I’m still concerned about the audio. Early reports said there was an issue with the 5.1 tracks. Can you report on that?
I haven't tackled the audio issues yet, in part because I am not presently set up hardware-wise to be able to do it justice. But I've read multiple reports from folks who own the SG-1 set that the 5.1 surround sound option that appears on each disc (but, thankfully, is NOT listed by VEI on the box or in their marketing materials) is completely botched. Multiple reports indicate that (after Season 1) they appear to have taken a stereo mix and mapped those two channels to the left, center, right, and surround channels. I can't confirm, but I've read posts from at least two people who took the audio tracks direct from the discs and compared the wave forms to confirm this. It's a real shame, because SG-1 already had fine 5.1 mixes on the DVD releases (I think for all but Season 1?). Since VEI won't talk to us, it's unclear whether they tried to include them but failed (and left the option on the menu), or did a piss poor job.
@GateWorld, did they upscale this when you could watch Stargate Command awhile back? I never noticed a difference when jumping to Amazon to watch the show. Maybe I just wasn't paying that much attention to detail.
I don't know for certain if Stargate Command had the new upscaled episodes for streaming -- but I don't think so. I didn't become aware of its existence until early 2020 (after SGC closed) when it was being broadcast on an HD channel in Europe. When I asked MGM in 2017 what quality SG Command would be streaming, they said, "The best possible." FWIW. I don't think the upscaled episodes existed yet.
I'll wait for the proper remastered versions. I find myself in agreement with the bulk of what you've said but it's not worth it for me because I could upscale these myself for free. One thing tho i might disagree with. A full remaster isn't cheap but i don't think it's as expensive as you think it is unless they're re-doing the VFX as well.. And even then, those effects can be done today by anyone with a fairly decent computer, the proper program, and the know-how. But just 5-10 years ago (such as when ST was remastered) it would have been vastly more expensive than it would be today.
I think that's right -- remastering on the whole shouldn't be as expensive today as it was when CBS/Paramount did it to TOS and TNG. Babylon 5 for example has a new edition on HBO Max that I understand to be a remastering of live-action and upscaling of the VFX (if I am remembering right). And Warner Bros. is generally stingy with putting any money into that franchise. For most of SG-1 the same would probably have to be done. I don't know if the VFX for those earlier seasons were locked at 1080p exports, or if they'd have to be redone from scratch (which was much of the cost for TOS and TNG) in order to be true HD. (I do have in mind someone to ask, though.)
I don't have the gear set up to confirm, but I've seen multiple reports from fans who pulled the wave forms straight off the SG-1 discs and found that the 5.1 surround sound is botched. Reports are that VEI appears to have just taken the stereo channels and mapped them onto the left, center, right, and surround channels.
@@GateWorldDotNet Another detailed reviewer on YT said season 1 -2 has the sound swapped on the menus - so 5.1 is stereo and 2.0 Stereo is the 5.1 tracks - so incorrectly labeled on the BR menus - but the rest of the seasons were correctly labeled and the same 5.1 tracks as the DVD's. Would be great if you can confirm this.
@@towerkop I saw the same thing, but also conflicting reports that that 5.1 mix (under the stereo menu option) is faked with two stereo channels. I don't currently have the gear set up to confirm.
I don’t have any fancy equipment, but so far the sound is fine. I may have gotten a newer copy that was done correctly, as I’ve heard they quietly started making corrected ones, but the sound all works the way it should so far. Granted I’m still in season one, and only tested bits of the other seasons. Picture is a decent improvement too, but definitely glossy because of the DNR. But still an ok upgrade. A bit overpriced I think.
Darren, you know you can buy a USB Blu-ray drive for your computer for about $90, right? Regarding the set, it seems like they took a single color correction profile and applied it to the entire set. Some of the DVD scenes look a little green and the Blue-ray fixes those pretty well, but then some of the DVD scenes look fine and the Blu-ray ends up giving the characters a virtual sunburn. I'm not terribly impressed with the effort overall.
But.....how do you actually WATCH the discs once you've connect the BD player? I've been very unsuccessful in finding a blu-ray disc viewer for win10. Best I've found are programs where you rip the bd first, then watch the file. Any suggestions?
@@jeandiatasmith4512 If you are just wanting to watch them, then a program like Cyberlink's PowerDVD Ultra works pretty well and has the necessary codecs and menu navigation controls.
You mentioned something about the sound quality not being as good as these in the unboxing video, or perhaps a post on the site, which you perhaps expanded on there (I didn't get all the way through it, as I thought it was mostly going to be about the quality of the packaging, which I wasn't as interested in, as I'd just rip all these to my Plex server). Did you expand on the audio issue more somewhere?
I haven't tackled the audio issues yet, in part because I am not presently set up hardware-wise to be able to do it justice. But I've read multiple reports from folks who own the SG-1 set that the 5.1 surround sound option that appears on each disc (but, thankfully, is NOT listed by VEI on the box or in their marketing materials) is completely botched. Multiple reports indicate that (after Season 1) they appear to have taken a stereo mix and mapped those two channels to the left, center, right, and surround channels. I can't confirm, but I've read posts from at least two people who took the audio tracks direct from the discs and compared the wave forms to confirm this. It's a real shame, because SG-1 already had fine 5.1 mixes on the DVD releases (I think for all but Season 1?). Since VEI won't talk to us, it's unclear whether they tried to include them but failed (and left the option on the menu), or did a piss poor job.
@@GateWorldDotNet Thanks! Yeah, I have that same set as your old DVD set, and the first season's sound was sadly not up to par, but the remaining seasons were fantastic. I think if this new set had at least that sound quality I'd consider getting it. Really important to me.
@John The missing 5.1 surround is really the main reason I wouldn't recommend this release to everyone. For those who don't have a surround system (and don't plan to), it's perfectly fine. The degree of improvements is maybe a coin toss for those who already own everything on DVD, and are enjoying hardware upscaling from a Blu-ray player and/or a good television. But for those who don't own the show already, and don't care about surround sound, I'm definitely recommending it.
@@theduck001 Yeah, a remaster will never happen. All the CGI is mastered in SD, so they would have to go back and redo everything, just like Star Trek TNG. This is crazy expensive. As far as I know, the TNG remaster wasn't great business for CBS/Paramount, and if they can't make it worth while, there's no chance for SG-1.
@@GrackAlaciN They could 4K UHD remaster everything (without Special Effects Scenes). But you wOULD see the change in resoltion everytime, what would be very very bad experience... You can even observe this in Continuum. The short jet fighters scenes are very bad quality what is a very bad watching experience... But even the normal scenes. We don't even know how it was cutted. Maybe you need to rescan the filmreels and recut and remaster everthing what is a extremely huge amount of work... Not only that. While doing the SD remster they had fresh film reels. Now they are old and have failures and grain... So you also need to check every frame and photoshop/correct film reels fatige failures... or use artificial intelligent for this... So imo it is a big and expensive Challenge to 4K UHD remaster the whole SG-1 seasons 1-7.
I think the fact is wrong... I've heard that SG-1 S8 was shot in HD, but just in 720p. But don't ask me where this information comes from..... Of course the source is better and this would make the small difference (720 to 1080 upscaling) And I think 1080p cameras wasn't that big in the year of making of S8..
Offhand I don't have a source on the specific camera used or resolution of the raw footage. But I'd be SHOCKED if it was captured in 720. TPTB knew better than that in 2004.
I can add a suggestion that you use a program called 'MakeMKV'' which lets you rip the original uncompressed and completely intact files from the diiscs themselves, you would need a bluray drive connected to a PC to achieve this though. but you get an exact copy of whats on the disc with no alterations and compression you would get because of recording from a separate device. Also really don't think i'm a fan of this release, the use of DNR has gone wayyyy overboard and the upscale itself seems to be fairly basic. Ive seen a bunch of posts from individuals who are doing upscales themselves and the quality is leagues above this release. Also, while the DVD's have a bit of a warmer tint and slightly washed colours, the blurays have gone way too far in the opposite direction for and have made skin tones a bit too pink and saturated imo. Plus with all the issues and confusion with the audio tracks.
I definitely considered buying a Blu-ray drive for ripping, but opted for this less expensive solution. You're right that it's not a 100% perfect rendering of the disc contents, but I think visually it's close enough for what the average consumer is going to be able to suss out. I agree that the DNR here looks to be a bit much. But I was happy it wasn't as bad as some reviews have made it out to be. Jack, Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c at least still look like human beings and not Autons. ;)
@@GateWorldDotNet MakeMKV is the best solution. Consumer grade dvd and bluray players aren't bit accurate output. The original broadcast tapes would have had 4:2:2 chroma subsampling meaning the black and white image is full 480p or 1080p and the colour information was mathematically compressed by 50%. DVD and Bluray use 4:2:0 so its a full resolution black and white image with colour at 25% resolution. Good quality bluray players and PC playback can mathematically upscale the chroma.
You would get a far, far better upscale using the Topaz AI tools on the DVDs. It wouldn't even be close. It would take a long time to do all 10 seasons, but yes the quality would be way superior.
THANK YOU for watching! Let us know in the comments if you are convinced to pick up SG-1 on Blu-ray -- and if you will replace your DVDs -- or if you are going to pass on this release.
Check out our unboxing video to see everything inside the package for the 3-series complete Blu-ray collection: ruclips.net/video/GUiljMaQvlU/видео.html
Great review, would like to see the Atlantis and Universe comparisons as well.
Good job
Thanks
How is the sound? I have seen multiple reviews about the sound being terrible.
@@TheTwelfthWizard Yes I am curious about the sound as well. I obtained an episode from a not-so-legal source, which specifically stated it was in 5.1 audio, as I wanted to compare it to the current DVDs. It could be the Blu-Ray rip wasn't done properly, but this is what I got:
-When I play the episode on my desktop PC (which is only stereo speakers, so it gets downsampled), I only get audio from my left speaker. This doesn't happen with the DVD version of SG-1, or any other 5.1 audio show I play.
-When I play the episode on my media center PC (which is running through a Onkyo Dolby Atmos / DTS-HD capable amp with 5.1 speakers, and I let the amp do the audio decoding, not the media center PC), I get audio from all the speaker channels but it is the same audio on all speakers, dialog is present on all the channels and not just the center channel, there is absolutely no surround sound effect at all. This doesn't happen with the DVD version of SG-1, or any other 5.1 audio show I play.
So I am scared to jump the gun on this set if they messed up the 5.1 audio but the problem is I don't know if it's the Blu-Ray version that is the issue, or the person that ripped it and put it online didn't properly process the audio for it.
I would really like to see a reviewer that is familiar with digital audio formats and has a proper 5.1 amp for decoding Dolby / DTS verify if there is the audio issues I mentioned. I tried downloading an episode from a season here and there (yes I know I shouldn't get illegal shows and I am 100% wanting to buy this box-set but I have to make sure the publisher didn't mess it up, it's expensive!) and the same issue is always present, but it could just be the rip is messed up.
I guess for now until I know for sure I will stick with the DVD release. I find audio just as important as the picture and I will gladly live with a slightly more grainy picture if it means I get an immersive 5.1 surround audio experience when I crank up my amp for the fantastic on-screen action this show has!
@@patrick3876 I agree. I just ordered it, so I’ll come back and let you know if it’s all of it. I have a lot of free time so it won’t take long to sample a bunch of the episodes.
I did see in a couple reviews that the sound source is mislabeled on the disc though. The 2.0 is actually the 5.1 and vice versa, at least for the first 3 seasons or so. I’ll find out. I also hear they are quietly fixing it on their newest re-prints of the set. But that’s only from one reviewer. But I agree. Sound is just as important as picture, and I’ve never been too bothered with my DVD collection. But my curiosity has driven me crazy enough that I need to know for myself about the Blu Ray.
Worth getting: Yes
Will it replace my DVDs?: No
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Someone needs to find those film masters and do a legitimate remaster
You need to 4K scan the 16mm and 35mm film reels frame by frame. Than you need to try to make a frame exact 4K remaster. This is A LOT OF WORK.
@Bill Zoeker
: the masters are created from the original film negatives so what are you talking about? Like Daisy Duckface said you need to rescan all of the film then make sure you get the correct scenes and try to redo all of the post-production as accurate as possible.
@@alexmorph3us well that's what I meant
@@theduck001 maybe if they get the new series off the ground 🤞
@@BillZoeker Yeah with a new stargate series stargate will maybe become very famous... Let's hope for it...
its certainly given everything a warmer hue, the golds look fantastic and the colours are so much more vivid. both versions look good, but this has more made me crave a real re-master rather than made me want to go buy the blu-rays
Colours look way more natural, much easier on your eyes. Side to side, original DVD's kinda gave me a headache.
When AI advances properly I hope someone remasters the actual originals, not the garbage bluray
You have no idea how important this video ended up being to me haha. This started a domino effect that has now come to it's conclusion here with me returning here to the video. I had always yearned for a blu-ray release of SG-1, but having watched the series many times on DVD I had kind of moved off of the show long ago, I would occasionally check on the blu-ray news for SG-1 but there was never anything and eventually I guess I stopped looking and forgot all about it... Enter this video popping up on my recommended about a year and a half ago. There it was the news that SG-1 had in fact now had a Blu-ray release, this made me very very excited indeed and I ordered and imported the set from the US to the UK, (the upscaling looked like an ok improvement but the main reason for my excitement and the reason I had considered just importing a US DVD set in the past was that the UK DVDs and episodes played 5% too fast and that included a faster and higher pitched audio track, this is cos uk PAL DVDs play at 25 fps and film is at 24, so they speed it up etc etc anyway). It arrived and finally I binge watched and completed all of SG-1 again and I was extremely happy with the way it now looked and now with the series in this shape looking good enough when I moved into a shared house with my friends for our second and third years of University I showed the series to them and we watched all of SG-1 that year, and not just that we loved it so much that we even got out the watch order spreadsheet and for the first time even for me we watched all of Stargate: Atlantis, a show I had always put off and had never watched and what a great great show. Even with that concluded we moved on, onto a show I originally never had any intention of watching even by myself, but there we moved onto the final show. Earlier we finished the final episode of Stargate: Universe, I got very teary eyed with the final shot of what is to this date the final shot of the Stargate franchise, I never watched it because I never wanted it to end and now it is over, very bittersweet.
And so I thank you as in a roundabout way this is all because of you. It is funny how these sort of things can happen, and how theres an alternate reality version of someone, like me, who would have never watched this video and everything would be totally different for them now and there would be people out there who had never seen Stargate who now have and I would likely have never seen the two spin offs. Never know what will come from something you post or do or say but it has had an effect.
P.S. yes we watched Origins some time ago as well and yh we all thought it was an abomination and we do not speak of it lol.
Wow! Thank you for sharing this!
Initial reaction when swiping from dvd to blu-ray, "OMG it all turned pink!" Swipes back to dvd, "OMG it all turned yellow!" Thank you for making this. Convinced me to get it. The colors look more natural to me on the blu-ray. Plus I have many random episodes that are scratched on my dvds. I have never had a blu-ray that got scratched, so this seems worth it to me.
oh yes that's terrible, skipping dvd's. I got that on my original box set too on a number of ex's,, must've played sg1 over and over again into oblivion '_)
Yellow? humm, i was thinking it was more greenish. but yeah, the Blue-ray looks so much better colored then those DVDs
I suppose he just does not color manage DVD.
How much is the blu ray set??
DVDs and Blurays can be resurfaced to correct scratches.
This was like watching more than 10 years of my life in flashbacks. Memories of times so rough… But a new episode of SG-1 seemed to make it just a little better somehow. With my eyes open, ... I can see the difference. But with my eyes closed,… I’m on the team. And my memories are all in 4K baby.
That's a beautiful comment.
Thanks for this wonderful comment.
Would be interesting to see a full HD scan of the original film scanned in.
if they gonna scan the film at some point, they better take straight to 4K, at least the 35mm film stock lends itself perfectly for that, for the older seasons shot on 16mm, they would need to do some extra digital shenanigans, but it's still doable, at cost, that's the only problem, an actual remaster takes time and loads of money unfortunately ;_(
@@DaveFlash No they wouldn't. 16mm film, or any film can be scanned at whatever resolution you want. It's just that you reach a point where you won't get any more detail out of it.
Indeed
Nope. You lose all graphic FXs.
What's the point to look at a sharp image of Teal'c with a jaffa staff that do nothing? Or a space battle that is just a black screen?
There is no such thing. Meaning, there is no one single continuous piece of film for any single episode. VFX would have been composited into a piece of film, live action shots into another, all made up from various "types" of film. This is why all the individual pieces have to be scanned, scaled, and completely re-edited as if the episode had just been shot. This is how Star Trek The Next Generation was done, including recreating all the VFX from scratch. And unfortunately, even for a show of that magnitude, it turned out to not be cost-effective, and other shows like Deep Space Nine and Voyager will likely never get that treatment because of it. The same applies to Stargate. There just aren't enough people willing to pay for it to justify doing it.
Problem is the 90's early 2000 vfx laden tv shows we all love used a 480p digital intermediate to incorporate the effects into digital editors to cut costs and improve production times so even if you could get the original 35mm film stock and rescan it to 4k/1080p you then have to reincorporate the vfx shots manually over the top (=costly!!). However there have been some interesting results using ai upscaling to improve over the standard sharpening passes and dnr these re releases normally get (hopefully in not too distant future tvs themselves will auto ai upscale lower resolution images for us!). Great video though!!
Remastering VFX is just too darn expensive.
took some work- but managed to combine the 5.1 audio from the DVDs with the upscale video from blu rays.
I would also recommend for comparison videos like this to upload in 1440p or even 4k just so that youtube compression doesn't make it so difficult to see the differences in picture and so that the blu ray detail is seen in full.
I definitely learned a lot making this video!
I don't only want to get this set, I MUST HAVE IT IN MY COLLECTION!!!!!
Excited to finally have at least an upscale. Something we still don’t have for ds9 or voyager. Won’t be buying it right away but one day I will. I really appreciate the comparison thank you!
Nothing makes me more happy than any kind of remastering or upscaling of my favourite shows, it's like a whole new experience watching them again and thus renews the multiple bing watching
So true, but I must add, when done correctly. After watching Star Trek a million times, I found the remastered version quite satisfying. And well worth the cost.
Will be interesting to see how this looks through my 4k bluray player that also upscales & my Samsung TV which can do dynamic color contrast.
Have you had a chance to try it?
I've heard there was missing content on the Blurays for the earlier seasons in the way of the audio selections. Something about the original DVDs having the proper surround sound tracks while the Bluray versions omitted them or did a shoddy conversion or something?
I like upscaling and sharpening but colour grade takes away some of the sg look. It's to big of a change.
I noticed when the supergate was activated the gate itself DID in fact look like native 1080p that was the only time I could tell.. or indicated it was not just 480/576p upscaled to 1080p in the later seasons... also samatha carters pupet hair from the puppet episode
1:45 that’s why I still use my PS3 so much...play my DVDs throug it and going through HDMI onto the large plasma screen tv...it doesn’t seem to suffer...cos hardware upscale to 720p I believe...
Thank you for making this video! I've been on the fence about getting the new Blu-rays because of the heavy DNR, but it honestly doesn't look that bad to me. It's definitely an improved image!
I'm pleased with the picture. Add in the 4K upscaling that my LG television does and they look great.
Kinda wish some of the comparisons were just split screen instead of wipes. But very good comparison otherwise. Also, it might be due to the way you captured it, or the compression you chose prior to uploading to youtube. But I'm not getting any of the grain even in the DVD. I know from ripping the occasional episode to my computer that the grain is definitely there in the 480p, but here everything is looking rather smoothed out :/
And your statement at 11:26, between season 7 and season 8 is a little misleading. 35mm is generally regarded as a higher quality medium than 1080p, for example 4K scans from 35mm are the norm. What really changed is how they were mastering the shows (the final export). Starting in season 8 the entire pipeline was 1080p. Whereas before their film scans from the film lab were only SD.
Definitely looks like at least seasons 9 and 10, they used the 1080p masters. Season 8 it was hard to tell if the improvement in quality was as drastic as in 9 and 10.
I would be curious to see a blu-ray to blu-ray comparison of Atlantis.
Thanks, Ian. I attempted some still split-screens, and ended up finding a bug that crashed my editor over and over again. So I had to forego it to get the video done.
You're right about the scanning and editing process too, of course. There are so many steps in production (and making RUclips videos!) where picture quality will be affected. The switch from film to digital was dramatic for production for many reasons, but at the end of the day I suppose the most important was what was being provided to the editor and what the editor was exporting with his final picture lock.
@@GateWorldDotNet and I do wanna be clear that you did a great job! It's a very well done review. Much much much better than anything I've seen. It's well produced and put together
@@IanZainea1990 Thanks, my friend! Learning more every time I put one together.
I can’t say I love the fact that the skin tone changes to “pink” or “purple” depending on which actor is on screen.
it changes from yellow to natural. It only looks pink because we are used to seeing the yellow tint. It has been color corrected.
Yeah they went a little too far. I compared it to some other skin tones and it definitely has too much red and purple. It's not a nice natural skin tone.
Note that a modern TV is going to have some color correction to optimize for its own display. This capture is more "raw" in that it isn't benefitting from any hardware corrections other than what my old Sony Blu-ray player is doing.
@@GateWorldDotNet I noticed quite a few comments about the color, and I was very confused as I didn't recall mine looking quite so yellow. So I checked, and the ones I have from 'the same' fancy box set that you also show off (but PAL region.. the vertical resolution is 576) is not at all so yellow. I don't know if I can post links, so please see imgur album /a/LSb9apm .. ignore the differences in crispness (I'm sure RUclips didn't do your video any favors) and focus only on the color. The color in my set looks just fine.. a smidge better than the Blu-ray one even? (follow-up comment to contain link, but might get filtered)
@@PanoWorks That's helpful, thanks. Your top Bra'tac pic looks a bit green on my current display. But I think the coloration here is going to be rather heavily dependent upon hardware (the player and the display). My capture card might be futzing with the image a little bit, but with everything I have run through it it's more likely that my DVD player isn't awesome with color.
Absolutely picking up the BluRay set of all of the Stargate franchises 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great video.
Perfect this is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. There was some controversy I saw in other comments and forums but the blu-ray seems to be worth it looking at your video. I wish it was all shot on 35mm so we could have a true 4k some day. If someone actually spent the money to remaster the affects too. But with the last 3 seasons shot digitally that means those would have to be upscaled. And anything on 16mm is lost to that too. I'm going to pick up the blu-rays, sure it's not the perfect situation but it's the best we can expect for now and probably a long time.
It's not perfect but any stretch. But I will reiterate that with some additional hardware upscaling (in my case, an LG 4k television) it looks terrific. Better than what I captured here, which just used a Blu-ray player and a capture card.
The hardware is also going to do the color- correction needed for the local display.
Man.. this is a solid candidate for the DS9UP treatment...
I respectfully disagree. This just shows that upscaling isn't enough. I can't see myself spending money on this when I already have the DVDs. Now, if they did a true remaster (a la TNG), I'd be happy to buy both SG-1 and DS9 again.
Fans are already producing SG-1 upscales, but none have been very good so far.
thanks, image is a tad bit clearer and somehow the color profile changed. I can do the upscale myself via software.
Just found this video as I was looking for information on VEI's BluRay release. After the three years since this video came out, there still does not seem to be a remaster on the horizon. Makes me wonder, should I wait, since I have some of the DVDs and the Blu-ray of Atlantis or should I look into getting this BluRay set?
Slight correction, HD video does not have higher quality (in terms of resolution) than 35 mm. However, previously the first scanned the 35 mm to get a SD digital source which they then used to edit the episodes. If you actually wanted to turn the show HD, you could do that by scanning the original camera negatives and re-editing them together and is actually usually done when you see a film being "restored". Shows like Friends, Sex and the City or The X-Files, which aren't very VFX heavy habe actually done that, but with sci fi shows like SG-1 the problem is usually the VFX which have to be painstakingly recomposited (which is difficult and time-consuming) and also involves usually recreating many of the digital models which have usually been discarded. Star Trek The Next Generation did one such remaster and it looks amazing, but the show didn't require the recreation of many digital effects and... it also was a massive Money loss for the company at the time.
Yes, that's right -- the HD upscale improves on the quality of the SD resolution taken from the original film. As you say MGM could remaster the series from the film (as TNG did), but this is still prohibitively expensive -- which I think is why they went the upscaling route instead.
@@GateWorldDotNet I think an alternative would be to do what Warner did with B5: remaster all the footage without VFX and upscale the rest. B5 looks inconsistent but still pretty great and much better than on the DVDs.
But from what I see here, the upscales on Stargate look pretty decent. I bought the big box set with all 17 seasons and figured: 10 out of 17 will be true HD, so the math worked for me.
@@fgdj2000 The DVD's look fine, I watch mine upscaled and they look like they are HD pretty well. I think the Blu-ray is a waste of $60 for that set. Especially considering there were no extra features either.
I bought this set, for me season 1-3 looks so much better on the blu rays than the DVDs
I've looked into Machine learning for upscaling. It would be possible to take the last few seasons of SG-1 and train the AI using that source material. I assume it would work even better because the image structure of the last few seasons would have relevance in the earlier seasons. You'd have to train your own AI image upscaler specifically for SG-1. I want to try this eventually and see how it turns out.
To properly train these things, you need a crap load of source material.
Even then (along with the likes of Voyager, DS9 etc), the initial quality is lacking so much that it's never going to be any better than what you can get from already existing options (that have been trained using a far far far far more extensive video library) like Video Enhance etc.
The shot where O'Neil enters the gate room and starts firing on the super-soldier from Avatar in Season 8 shows some clear interlacing artifacts. It's the only one I noticed, but it appears that they might not have had a 1080p source.
You have convinced me. 😊
I just ordered the complete collection via Amazon. Also ordered copies of TAOT and Continuum, which I didn't have on Blu-Ray, yet, to complete the set. Haven't seen the show in a while, so This seems a good reason to rewatch it again. Maybe even introduce it to my significant other.
Next to Star Trek and Babylon 5 (and Star Wars), STARGATE was my jam.
id love to see stargate remastered i bet it would look great specially the later seasons. maybe one day 4k hdr remaster
Sky One started their HD simulcast in time for SG-1 season 10, which was 1080i
@GateWorld, could do a favor and check you green settings on the dvd player ... it is just to off scale. Or try to watch it on your blue-ray player of the greenish look is still there?
There's a shot near the end of the video (of Sha're, from "Forever In a Day") that compares the scene from a DVD player and the same disc played in the Blu-ray player. The color is noticably improved, as well as the picture being upscaled.
I'd say the color may be coming mainly from my old DVD player. But it's always a "you mileage may vary" situation -- your player and display will manage the color space to try and optimize the picture.
@@GateWorldDotNet thanks for your reply, i was expecting something like that indeed.
My favorite SciFi show bar none. My second favorite is SG: Atlantis. I have watched my DVDs over and over and over again. I think I go through each of them once or twice per year while I work out on my treadmill. Great show. I am not sure I need the BluRay versions but I would definitely pay for a remastered version some day.
Hi, how comes there are two different versions of Stargate SG-1 on blu ray. They seem to have done a rerelease with slightly different artwork, now a lighter blue and in front of the stargate, still with Jonas. But before the blu ray had the same artwork as the DVD darker blue and inside the stargate. Do you have an idea what and why that is and if the discs are any different, and VEI now advertise 5.1 audio on the website for it, and don't for the DVD version or the big Bluray boxset with all three shows? It's just confusing and wondering about it?
After the release and initial reviews VEI did make those changes you mention ... but we have no idea if the contents of the discs were altered in any way. So I would assume they are not any different.
VEI has ignored our repeated attempts to contact them to get questions answered (or even to help promote the release through our coverage).
I own most of Stargate on VHS &/or DVD Standard Rental Distribution Packaged as well as some DVD Series Packaged.
The rental packaged DVDs were a mix of new & second hand Video Ezy, but I don't have all the episodes as Graham was closing the rental franchise one store a week while Stargate SG-1 was still in production.
I would like to complete the set with the series I don't have but I'm not sure if they're available in Australia.
This also applies to Stargate Atlantis & Stargate Universe.
I'd like to have the whole of each series.
Overall it does look better but at the same time I'm not fond of the amount of purple in the scenes. A lot of the people look like they have a high fever. In some scenes they do look better. Not sure if I'll get the BR version just yet.
dvd looks like they have jaundice sometimes lol
The DVD captures here definitely look greenish, and the Blu-ray captures more reddish. But note that modern TVs are going to also do some color correction to optimize it for your display. When I pop these discs in and play them on my LG 4K television they don't look red at all.
Those final seasons definitely look like native HD to me
What about the special features and commentaries, are they still the same?
They're upscaled as well.
Hey, Taylor! I saw an early report that the bonus features were also upscaled, but from the ones I have looked at so far they most definitely have NOT. After watching upscaled episodes they're pretty rough.
The bonus features and commentaries all appear to be here, with the exception of "Stargate SG-1: The Lowdown" -- the first SCI FI Channel special that aired prior to Season 7. That's on the DVD Collector's Edition but has been left out here (I assume for space reasons).
I watched "Small Victories" with the audio commentary last week and had a lot of fun. :)
So good comparison video ! Many thanks !
Hard to truly tell through RUclips's compression. There's a difference but I bet it's more pronounced in person. I'll wait until they release a true remaster, hopefully at 4k (pretty sure they can get that out of 16mm?) in the future. $170 for all Stargate content on Blu-Ray when it's just upscaled is a bit much. At least when streaming is available.
Wait, why isn't Daniel on the cover of the box ?
Big fail ! Hahah
That's the million-dollar question and the world may never know. He's not on the Netflix poster/cover art either.
@@ilurvemv Jonas was just kind of a replacement hahah
I don't know if filming in digital was really future proofing, 1080p digital cameras will look worse than 35mm once it is uplscaled later on to 4k/8k, especially for the CGI visual effects. So those last two seasons will probably look worse in the long run if they ever make 4k/8k releases.
All productions regardless of how they originate are eventually digitized.
The skin tones are different. I can't say which version is right, since I don't have calibrated screen, but I like the DVD colours better...
I Wonder if they will ever release it on 4k!
Do you think that the picture on these Blu rays are better than what's offered on streaming options for Stargate?
I do -- but not by a lot, unless like me you have a 4K television that adds further upscaling. My next picture comparison video will be for the streaming services (though with the shows recently leaving Amazon Prime, I'm not sure I'll do it right away -- though I did make sure to capture a bunch of footage before Amazon took them down).
If you have a good 4K TV, go Blu-ray. Otherwise, you'll get a good picture from Amazon Prime ... when Stargate comes back.
Avoid Netflix and Hulu, at least for the first four seasons or so. The picture is 4:3 and the resolution is, TBH, trash.
I'm watching the blurays in a UHD TV and the difference is astounding. I can know enjoy the cinematograpy, the clever camera work, the details in the background of the scene, truly appreciate the work of the production crew and the directors. The only weird parts are some scenes with VFX where the live action scenes don't scale up well and are very blurry. But anyway, a fantastic improvement.
SG-1 seasons 8 through 10 are readily available on torrent sites. They were at one point available on Amazon Prime in 1080p.
Just so you know, at present, no streaming service can match the data rate of actual Blu-ray disc.
@@krane15 Bitrate on Prime is really good. I'm just saying that it's been available for years, so it should be easy to compare to the new release and determine if they just upscaled the DVD versions for some unexplainable reason.
@ The reason is cost. Upscaling is a whole lot cheaper and less risky than remastering 10 years worth of TV shows. It would make the box series more expensive and not enough people would buy it to make it worth the efforts.
Remember, you have to have a A/V system to reveal all of the quality. Besides, at this point if they were going to do a remaster they may as well jump straight to 4K.
@@krane15 Umm, yes. Again. They shot S08-S10 of SG-1, the whole of SG:A and SG:U in 1080p. This was not mentioned in the video and it remains unclear if they merely copied the native 1080p files or upscaled them from 480p for some absolutely dumb reason. I'm missing this comparison in the video.
I’d be down to watch future comparisons of Atlantis and Universe, as well as comparing fan upscales to 4K and higher frame rates to the Blu-Rays
Atlantis is already released in native 1080p on blu ray. Same with Universe Season 1. Universe Season 2 was released in HD on streaming. I'm willing to bet that there will be nearly no difference except for Universe Seasson 2, which will benefit from a higher blu ray bit rate.
@@kevmitchify only one way to find out
I'll have to get my hands on some DVDs again -- my SGA DVDs were damaged or lost. But my guess is that VEI has the same 1080p episodes that they have applied a DNR pass to. So that's probably most of what we'd be looking at in a side-by-side comparison: artifact smoothing.
@@GateWorldDotNet I’d bet we’d also see smoother frame rates too. Also sorry to hear about that.
I live in Belgium. But sg1 in blu ray is not avaible yet :( only dvd
Hello I think the picture with bluray is better too, but in Germany there is currently only the DVD version to buy and this bluray box only has English sound
Been waiting for years for a blue ray release and they didn't remaster it? That sucks.
It just simply costs too much. TNG was a failure money-wise, and no studio is going to do it again.
Are there subtitles on these earlier seasons? They weren't present on the original releases.
So what about the special features is it all there from the DVDs?
You have an error in the conversion of the DVD signal or are trying to mislead. The green color cast does not exist on 25 fps copies. I just double-checked. Maybe it is caused by incorrect matrix coefficients. Although it would take multiple generations of bt.601/709 to cause so much shift.
The vaxy quality of the later episodes from season 5 onwards makes everything look like the dream in "Threads". Noise reduction should not be done, but enough bitrate should be given to reproduce the noise without turning static. The earlier episodes were sharp and contrasty.
Not available in UK :(
Many thanks - here in the UK we would never have known this was available (and in the UK it actually isn't, and I am hoping I don't get screwed over with import fees).
Ordered. This will replace my DVD sets, although they will still be kept.
Okay, I followed the original link to the order page at Amazon - only to be told that I was 'outside the shipping range for this item' and it pointed me to another page with the same item on offer so I bought it as they would ship to the UK. They arrived yesterday and when I opened them all I found was a box full of DVD's. DVD-Video on the packaging, DVD-Video logos - so I am returning the set unopened. To say I was disappointed is putting it mildly. So if you are in the UK this product is not actually available, it seems.
Could be interesting to see the diferences on the Atlantis series. Is much modern and maybe the upscale from the dvds is noticible.
Thanksss youuu!! Great job n.n
Why would they have upscaled from the NTSC 480i version when the higher quality PAL 576i version of all the shows is also available? I have the PAL versions right here, like millions of other people.
The upscaled Blu Ray files definitely look better in that the images are less fuzzy, but to my eyes, the images seem to have acquired a slightly excessive red/pink shade.
Never bought any Stargate discs. These are tempting. Just can't justify the cost at the moment. Maybe when my finances are better. Still be nice to see this get a full remaster. Likewise with Babylon 5. But I don't ever see that happening.
Just watched the entire series ,could gave used this two months ago.Some episodes are just unwatchable now.so it definitely worth it if you are a fan.
The Season 9 and 10 footage looks sharper than the Season 8 footage. I think 9 and 10 are native 1080p, while 8 is upscaled.
I haven't seen the the blu-ray yet, but yeah maybe it was captured with HD cams but original mastering was in uncompressed 480p. So they had only a 480p version. Till season 9 they maybe switched to 1080p mastering...
Season 8 of SG-1 was the first native HD release and was not an upscale. Just wish they went back to the original negatives and put some effort into it but this is not a MGM release since they given it to another studio they obviously have no intention to. They need to sell to a studio who will put an effort in to remaster it.
@@peterjones1783 So then let's us enjoy the unscaled 1080p (high bitrate) version and then hope for a real remaster of SG-1 in next decades...
Recording wise before season 8 anyways, wasn't it recorded with film cameras? For distribution purposes it was probably mpeg 2.
Thanks for the review. I’m buying this release, I never picked up the series on dvd. I’d been holding off buying it because I knew later seasons were filmed in hd and wanted a physical media copy. This fits the bill, while I want a complete series remaster the cost involved has convinced me waiting longer is unlikely to produce what I want.
Brother- 35mm film is higher resolution than HD cameras. 35mm resolves at 4-6K. 95% of digitally shot films (even today)- have a 2K post production pipeline. 35mm blows that away with true native 4K+ resolution. (Most 4K blu rays of digital films are upscales from 2K)
SG:U season 2 has never been released on Blu-ray before, so I'll be picking that up. Personally I don't think the difference is worth the hassle. Have you done a comparison of the special features? Anything extra/missing there?
Also I've seen comments that the audio tracks aren't labelled correctly on the earlier seasons, so Stereo is actually 5.1 and vice versa. Can you confirm that?
The SG-1 set is missing "Stargate SG-1: The Lowdown," the first special that aired on SCI FI Channel ahead of Season 7. Otherwise everything seems to be here. Nothing new was produced.
I am not currently set up to confirm the audio tracks, but I've seen multiple reports online that the 5.1 surround is completely botched. After Season 1 VEI appears to have mixed the stereo tracks to 5 channels. Fortunately they don't actually list 5.1 as a selling point, or on the package; they really should have removed it from the menu if they couldn't port it over from the DVD releases properly.
It’s been confirmed now via multiple sources that the Season 1 5.1 tracks are excellent. NOTE that the original Season 1 DVDs did not include 5.1 mixes, so this is a welcome addition. However, the Seasons 2 through 10 5.1 mixes are all botched. For those seasons you should choose the (default) Stereo mixes and let your A/V Receiver simulate the surround via their Pro-Logic II decoders. Nobody knows why they just didn’t just use the 5.1 mixes that were included with the DVDs. It’s been speculated that using the original mixes may have caused some lip sync issues due to all of the video processing. But that doesn’t explain Seasons 8 through 10 which shouldn’t have required as much processing.
@@lovetheblue6659 When you say botched, what are the issues?
@@scorpiusbalthazar4327 In the 5.1 mix, each of the five channels contains the stereo mix, not the individual left/right/center/rear left & right tracks.
@@scorpiusbalthazar4327 - VEI apparently attempted to create 5.1 mixes from the available stereo mixes. In theory this should have been possible with professional grade PL-II decoders optimized for movie mode, and this is quite possibly what they did to create the Season One 5.1 mixes. However, they apparently set up the decoders wrong for the remaining seasons and/or used different equipment. The end result is rather bizarre, with, apparently, the right stereo track discretely being fed to the surround speakers; while the left track is being fed to the right front, center channel, and left front. So no split surrounds and no front separation is available from these so-called 5.1 mixes. Even the most basic home PL-II decoding circuit can do a much better job of creating a surround effect from the stereo tracks, so just forget that the 5.1 mixes on these discs exist for seasons 2-10. (And VEI doesn’t advertise them as being available, so perhaps it was a mistake that they were even included?)
I didn't have an old DVD collection as I only recently started watching the series via stream. So I got the big BD box set of all three series, then bought the two SG1 movies.
Wow really very well done video. Thank you very much !!!!
I can clearly see that the Blu-ray version (even the upscaled parts, which also show much less compression artefacts) has a much better picture.
I saw in a video that supposedly there are 2 Blu-ray US versions of Universe. Supposedly the new version is region free the old version (which also has spanish n french language) is region locked. So it could be that I will try to import the complete series from the USA to watch Stargate the fist time in my life in english language.
I have already seen the series many times in German and French. If you are a big fan of the series, you can learn or improve your language knowledge so easily...
Thank you, Daisy! Yes, if I'm remembering right, the original Blu-ray release of SGU Season 1 did have other languages. VEI has opted for an English-only release here.
The difference is big in the tones. The DVD has a yellowish/green tinge to the image whilst the Bluray seems to favour reddish tones. I presume this has nothing to do with the upscaling element, though but playing with the chroma levels?
The color is really striking. I think most consumers are accustomed to a player-TV display combo that fixes a lot of this on the fly, including hardware upscaling and color space, in order to optimize the picture for THAT particular display. As I understand it, DVDs weren't designed to be played on modern flat-panel televisions. I wanted to try and capture what is on the disc without any of the hardware adjustments (since they vary from one living room to the next).
The wipe of Sha're near the end of the video shows this. One is the (greenish) DVD original, and the wipe is the same scene from the same disc played in a Blu-ray player instead of a DVD player. The hardware adjusts the color as well as upscales the picture a little bit.
@@GateWorldDotNet I think this will be the best we get unfortunately. People waiting for the film elements to be remastered will likely be waiting as they draw their last breath.
TNG remastering was a financial failure in the end and plans for DS9 & Voyager were shelved.
Stargate has no hope if Star trek can't even make a success of remastering from a financial point of view.
Unless technology changes, then this is what we're stuck with.
Also Trek had a dedicated team involved in its remaster who love and KNOW the show, while Gate had a bunch of disinterested bean counters overseeing its release. Hence why we get a wrong front cover with no Daniel Jackson.
Can you imagine that slipping by with someone who actually knows the show!
@@GateWorldDotNet While they may have not had today's 4K OLED displays in mind, some flat panels existed when DVD was created and it was intended to be flexible with aspect ratio.
8:35 “Carter...I can see my house!”
Love it
the image does look better. I will probably get it soon but there is nothing on the sound? is it still dolby surround like the DVD's or they DTS HD? anyone who as it can confirm? thanks
This particular video is aimed at picture comparisons, and is not a full review. I don't have the hardware set up right now to test the audio, but multiple reports are that the 5.1 surround option (listed on the disc menus, but fortunately not on the packaging or marketing material) is botched. It looks as though, after Season 1, VEI discarded the 5.1 mix from the DVDs and faked a surround mix by spreading the stereo channels around.
So you'll get a standard Dolby stereo mix, but no surround sound -- and certainly no HD audio.
Great video. Thanks for showing it. But I don't see a big difference to be honest.
It would be better if they would ask the fans to choose 5-10 episodes from season 1-7 (like Children of the gods, Torment of Tantalus, The Fifth Race, Nemesis, Windows of Opportunity, The Lost City 1-2) then make the true conversion for these selected fan favorites and then release those digitally or on Blue-ray. So they could test the waters if fans are willing to pay for these updated versions without risking too much. Maybe the new owner would invest into it. I would like to see definately a Lost City, part 1-2 extended with Avalon battle sequences.
Cheep capture cards dont have full colour resolution support so unless you have YUY support at that 30fps you are adding a layer of compression as most use MJPEG if anything you should have done true MTS rips for direct comparison....
Correct, as soon as he described how he’d captured this footage, it was hard to take the examples with more than a grain of salt. I have one of these cheap USB capture cards and the quality is poor.
So the Amazon Prime version of SG1 is equivalent to this Blu-ray Release in terms of upscaling/image quality?
It's the closest we have in streaming right now (when Amazon is streaming SG-1), but it's not equivalent. The streaming undergoes another compression pass, unlike what is running from a physical disc. So the disc should look better to most people.
I got all three Stargate series on Blu-Ray from VEI. I had the DVD version of SG-1 and Atlantis and I agree this is no remaster like Star Trek has done with TOS and TNG but this is the best Stargate has ever looked. And it is definitely worth the upgrade.
No it isn't worth it. Your TV is already going to upscale it FOR FREE. Plus, it will get better as upscalers get better. This nonsense upscaled set is not worth the money.
@@reh3884 If you have a TV or Blu-ray player with a good processor I agree you may not want to upgrade. I personally think the quality is decent and worth the cost, especially after having watched almost all of SG1 and Atlantis now.
@@reh3884 No that is not true. The studio has a better upscale source, the original master tapes. Those are way better than DVD. DVD has all kinds of compression issues, and aliasing, blocking etc. Even though the master tapes are not High Def they are still better sources than a DVD upscaled. And plus the Blu-ray has color correction.
I want to buy SG-1 on Blu Ray but I can only import it to Ireland via Ebay and that costs €231. Also I don't like how they made the skin tones so red in the blu rays.
I play the DVD box set on my Panasonic UB391 4K blu ray and it does a good job of upscaling to 4K but it doesn't get rid of the blocky compression artifacts.
Oh and I have Atlantis on Blu Ray with nearly two years.
It's a capture with usb stick and maybe not expensive capture. So this youtube video does not represend picture quality 100%.
Could the skin tone differences be because of different SD vs HD color spaces? Rec601, smtp170e, bt470bg versus Rec701? Also, a minor "bonus" to the BluRay edition is that BluRays are supposed to be sturdier than DVDs (I'm not willing to test this lol)
bluray material is way harder than dvd. there is no hd color space in the discs tho since this upscale is just dvd "masters"
@@schwartzy65 I ripped one of the episodes and MediaInfo is showing:
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
not sure if a ColorMatrix(mode="Rec.601->Rec.709") avisynth command would have improved the colors in this transfer... worth a shot anyway.
For seasons 8-10 I think they used the same transfer, just compressed it less for BD specs. And messed up the color to the reddish side.
RUclips further compressing video doesn't let to truly see if HDR has made eveeyone look bottoxed.
I will keep my UK DVDs for now.
Yeah, I wish I could be convinced that VEI used a 1080p native source for Seasons 8-10. But unless they tell us, it's all guesswork. You're right that those episodes might be further benefitting from less compression, in addition to the upscaling and DNR passes.
the issue here is that you can totally get a 4K clean footage from 35mm but since all the visual effect are digital and probably made in 480p it would need also to remake all the visual effect in at least 1080p to not see a massive gap between scene with actor and visual effect
apparently they messed up the 5.1 mix on these Blu Rays... people say the subwoofer (LF) channel is missing. so more like 5.0 than 5.1.
So, i guess ripping these and mixing in the DVD 5.1 track is the only way to fix this then.
While you’ve sold me on the video I’m still concerned about the audio. Early reports said there was an issue with the 5.1 tracks. Can you report on that?
I haven't tackled the audio issues yet, in part because I am not presently set up hardware-wise to be able to do it justice. But I've read multiple reports from folks who own the SG-1 set that the 5.1 surround sound option that appears on each disc (but, thankfully, is NOT listed by VEI on the box or in their marketing materials) is completely botched.
Multiple reports indicate that (after Season 1) they appear to have taken a stereo mix and mapped those two channels to the left, center, right, and surround channels. I can't confirm, but I've read posts from at least two people who took the audio tracks direct from the discs and compared the wave forms to confirm this.
It's a real shame, because SG-1 already had fine 5.1 mixes on the DVD releases (I think for all but Season 1?). Since VEI won't talk to us, it's unclear whether they tried to include them but failed (and left the option on the menu), or did a piss poor job.
@@GateWorldDotNet The fact that those are the two options means both are true, they failed and did a piss poor job.
Yes, would love to see a comparison on Atlantis
@GateWorld, did they upscale this when you could watch Stargate Command awhile back? I never noticed a difference
when jumping to Amazon to watch the show. Maybe I just wasn't paying that much attention to detail.
I don't know for certain if Stargate Command had the new upscaled episodes for streaming -- but I don't think so. I didn't become aware of its existence until early 2020 (after SGC closed) when it was being broadcast on an HD channel in Europe.
When I asked MGM in 2017 what quality SG Command would be streaming, they said, "The best possible." FWIW. I don't think the upscaled episodes existed yet.
Super video, danke dir. :) und schöne Flagge im Hintergrund.
Schade hat MGM das Geld nicht für ein sauberes Remaster. SG1 wäre es absolut wert.
Vielen Dank! 😁
This series is one of my favorite SCI FI series of all time, along side Star Trek TNG, thanks for this video.
Thanks for watching and commenting, Gabriel!
I'll wait for the proper remastered versions.
I find myself in agreement with the bulk of what you've said but it's not worth it for me because I could upscale these myself for free.
One thing tho i might disagree with. A full remaster isn't cheap but i don't think it's as expensive as you think it is unless they're re-doing the VFX as well.. And even then, those effects can be done today by anyone with a fairly decent computer, the proper program, and the know-how. But just 5-10 years ago (such as when ST was remastered) it would have been vastly more expensive than it would be today.
I think that's right -- remastering on the whole shouldn't be as expensive today as it was when CBS/Paramount did it to TOS and TNG. Babylon 5 for example has a new edition on HBO Max that I understand to be a remastering of live-action and upscaling of the VFX (if I am remembering right). And Warner Bros. is generally stingy with putting any money into that franchise.
For most of SG-1 the same would probably have to be done. I don't know if the VFX for those earlier seasons were locked at 1080p exports, or if they'd have to be redone from scratch (which was much of the cost for TOS and TNG) in order to be true HD. (I do have in mind someone to ask, though.)
Yes, and I bet fans would remaster the VFX for free anyway!
@@jimwright1971 Honestly they probably would
Anyone here know how the sound on this set is? Some of the reviews are saying seasons 2-10 have terribly uneven 5.1 and everything is in stereo.
I don't have the gear set up to confirm, but I've seen multiple reports from fans who pulled the wave forms straight off the SG-1 discs and found that the 5.1 surround sound is botched. Reports are that VEI appears to have just taken the stereo channels and mapped them onto the left, center, right, and surround channels.
@@GateWorldDotNet Another detailed reviewer on YT said season 1 -2 has the sound swapped on the menus - so 5.1 is stereo and 2.0 Stereo is the 5.1 tracks - so incorrectly labeled on the BR menus - but the rest of the seasons were correctly labeled and the same 5.1 tracks as the DVD's. Would be great if you can confirm this.
@@towerkop I saw the same thing, but also conflicting reports that that 5.1 mix (under the stereo menu option) is faked with two stereo channels. I don't currently have the gear set up to confirm.
I don’t have any fancy equipment, but so far the sound is fine. I may have gotten a newer copy that was done correctly, as I’ve heard they quietly started making corrected ones, but the sound all works the way it should so far. Granted I’m still in season one, and only tested bits of the other seasons. Picture is a decent improvement too, but definitely glossy because of the DNR. But still an ok upgrade. A bit overpriced I think.
I think I may try it. Thanks!
Does it get rid of the black bars on the side that’s the most important thing
Both the DVD and Blu-ray editions are in 16:9 widescreen, yes.
Darren, you know you can buy a USB Blu-ray drive for your computer for about $90, right?
Regarding the set, it seems like they took a single color correction profile and applied it to the entire set. Some of the DVD scenes look a little green and the Blue-ray fixes those pretty well, but then some of the DVD scenes look fine and the Blu-ray ends up giving the characters a virtual sunburn. I'm not terribly impressed with the effort overall.
But.....how do you actually WATCH the discs once you've connect the BD player? I've been very unsuccessful in finding a blu-ray disc viewer for win10. Best I've found are programs where you rip the bd first, then watch the file. Any suggestions?
@@jeandiatasmith4512 If you are just wanting to watch them, then a program like Cyberlink's PowerDVD Ultra works pretty well and has the necessary codecs and menu navigation controls.
Yes, I am a cheapskate who has little need for an external Blu-ray drive at this point. ;) So I went with the less expensive capture card instead.
You mentioned something about the sound quality not being as good as these in the unboxing video, or perhaps a post on the site, which you perhaps expanded on there (I didn't get all the way through it, as I thought it was mostly going to be about the quality of the packaging, which I wasn't as interested in, as I'd just rip all these to my Plex server). Did you expand on the audio issue more somewhere?
I haven't tackled the audio issues yet, in part because I am not presently set up hardware-wise to be able to do it justice. But I've read multiple reports from folks who own the SG-1 set that the 5.1 surround sound option that appears on each disc (but, thankfully, is NOT listed by VEI on the box or in their marketing materials) is completely botched.
Multiple reports indicate that (after Season 1) they appear to have taken a stereo mix and mapped those two channels to the left, center, right, and surround channels. I can't confirm, but I've read posts from at least two people who took the audio tracks direct from the discs and compared the wave forms to confirm this.
It's a real shame, because SG-1 already had fine 5.1 mixes on the DVD releases (I think for all but Season 1?). Since VEI won't talk to us, it's unclear whether they tried to include them but failed (and left the option on the menu), or did a piss poor job.
@@GateWorldDotNet Thanks! Yeah, I have that same set as your old DVD set, and the first season's sound was sadly not up to par, but the remaining seasons were fantastic. I think if this new set had at least that sound quality I'd consider getting it. Really important to me.
@John The missing 5.1 surround is really the main reason I wouldn't recommend this release to everyone. For those who don't have a surround system (and don't plan to), it's perfectly fine.
The degree of improvements is maybe a coin toss for those who already own everything on DVD, and are enjoying hardware upscaling from a Blu-ray player and/or a good television. But for those who don't own the show already, and don't care about surround sound, I'm definitely recommending it.
Not available in Canada. I can get all 3 stargates on blu-ray but not just sg-1. That sucks.
Hopefully it will be back in stock on Amazon.ca soon. It was in stock last week when the video went up.
@@GateWorldDotNet Good to know, I’ll keep checking for availability. Thanks.
Back in stock and snagged it. :)
Not a huge difference in picture. I think I'd wait for a remastered version before I replaced my DVDs.
Maybe you will wait forever...
If MGM had any intention of doing a re-master, they would never have greenlit this ripoff project.
If you have the channel epix they've shown SG1 in HD on there.
@@theduck001 Yeah, a remaster will never happen. All the CGI is mastered in SD, so they would have to go back and redo everything, just like Star Trek TNG. This is crazy expensive. As far as I know, the TNG remaster wasn't great business for CBS/Paramount, and if they can't make it worth while, there's no chance for SG-1.
@@GrackAlaciN They could 4K UHD remaster everything (without Special Effects Scenes). But you wOULD see the change in resoltion everytime, what would be very very bad experience... You can even observe this in Continuum. The short jet fighters scenes are very bad quality what is a very bad watching experience... But even the normal scenes. We don't even know how it was cutted. Maybe you need to rescan the filmreels and recut and remaster everthing what is a extremely huge amount of work... Not only that. While doing the SD remster they had fresh film reels. Now they are old and have failures and grain... So you also need to check every frame and photoshop/correct film reels fatige failures... or use artificial intelligent for this... So imo it is a big and expensive Challenge to 4K UHD remaster the whole SG-1 seasons 1-7.
I can't seem to find these in Europe, though.
They look better but not worth replacing all my DVDs.
I think the fact is wrong...
I've heard that SG-1 S8 was shot in HD, but just in 720p. But don't ask me where this information comes from..... Of course the source is better and this would make the small difference (720 to 1080 upscaling)
And I think 1080p cameras wasn't that big in the year of making of S8..
Offhand I don't have a source on the specific camera used or resolution of the raw footage. But I'd be SHOCKED if it was captured in 720. TPTB knew better than that in 2004.
AFAIK it was 1080, but it still suffered from noise compared to S9/S10.
Aw yes! I didn't know it got a blu-ray release! My used DVD set I bought has some skipping in it.
Awesome video dude an yes for both I for one want to see what it look like now.
Thanks, John!
@@GateWorldDotNet your welcome bub an I meant for all of us I think we do want to see comparisons of SGA and SGU for this set.
I can add a suggestion that you use a program called 'MakeMKV'' which lets you rip the original uncompressed and completely intact files from the diiscs themselves, you would need a bluray drive connected to a PC to achieve this though. but you get an exact copy of whats on the disc with no alterations and compression you would get because of recording from a separate device.
Also really don't think i'm a fan of this release, the use of DNR has gone wayyyy overboard and the upscale itself seems to be fairly basic. Ive seen a bunch of posts from individuals who are doing upscales themselves and the quality is leagues above this release. Also, while the DVD's have a bit of a warmer tint and slightly washed colours, the blurays have gone way too far in the opposite direction for and have made skin tones a bit too pink and saturated imo. Plus with all the issues and confusion with the audio tracks.
I definitely considered buying a Blu-ray drive for ripping, but opted for this less expensive solution. You're right that it's not a 100% perfect rendering of the disc contents, but I think visually it's close enough for what the average consumer is going to be able to suss out.
I agree that the DNR here looks to be a bit much. But I was happy it wasn't as bad as some reviews have made it out to be. Jack, Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c at least still look like human beings and not Autons. ;)
@@GateWorldDotNet MakeMKV is the best solution. Consumer grade dvd and bluray players aren't bit accurate output. The original broadcast tapes would have had 4:2:2 chroma subsampling meaning the black and white image is full 480p or 1080p and the colour information was mathematically compressed by 50%. DVD and Bluray use 4:2:0 so its a full resolution black and white image with colour at 25% resolution. Good quality bluray players and PC playback can mathematically upscale the chroma.
You would get a far, far better upscale using the Topaz AI tools on the DVDs. It wouldn't even be close. It would take a long time to do all 10 seasons, but yes the quality would be way superior.