i find your videos on the personal advice of authors so helpful. i rarely hear a piece of writing advice ive never heard, but any of these videos of yours i stumble on always give me something to think about. i can barely listen to any tips at all these days because its become a matter of waiting to get thru tips ive heard already, but again these videos you seem to have many of, all contain tips ive never heard. thank you for being someone who keeos the real writing age alive in this place where so many under experienced people offer their opinions without ever studying the craft beyond other like minded inexperienced authors. thank you.
The secret notebooks come BEFORE the book. This is how you discover who you are...and what you want to write about. Self-discovery is the joy. Later, one can figure out how to put it into an outline and book form. I've been looking at my early notebooks recently. And the writing is BETTER than what I've been able to include in my formal publications. This is a real issue for me.
I was born in 1949. This book fascinated me because of his world was what was happening just before I was born. Jack had a Thomas Wolfe inclination, reading every book in the library.
Jack was heavily influenced by Buddhism but he was steadfast in his assertion that he was Catholic. Buddhism is a metaphysical Guide to the Enlightened Life, but it is not a religion. The sine qua non for a belief system to be a religion is belief in a Supreme Being, and Buddhism doesn't have that.
I tried twice to read 'On the Road' and haven't got past page 70. It didn't grab me. I'll try again. I understand Jack would tape a lot of pages together before putting them in the typewriter so he wouldn't have to stop thinking to put in a new sheet. Truman Capote said of Jack, 'That isn't writing. It's typing'. I'm curious, did someone else spend 6 years editing 'On the Road', or did he do it himself?
I hear you. The fact is, Kerouac's friend, Allen Ginsberg spent three years editing "On the Road" into something readable. The "On the Road" movie (2012) tanked because it did not grab people either. But Kerouac wrote a "mini" "On the Road." It's called, "Visions of Cody" and is worth your time, I'd say.
@@VelocityWriting 1 Capote quip oft quoted snipe was recanted. Truman was at the time a blocked writer and feared his loss of status 2 Kerouac did not write the screenplay of 2012 flop and can hardly be responsible for the outcome. Besides the book has no plot other than a quest and contains no violence while films are plot and conflict driven. 3 Kerouac not Ginsberg did the rewrites, The beats shared manuscripts ,,,, but it's silly to think AG rewrote OTR in the final form. The publisher may have had recommendations. The structure was Kerouac. Most critique of Kerouac was attacking the man and his life. The critics don't read his art, they attack the man. Much like looking at van gogh's "starry night" and critiquing it as the work of a one eared madman who committed suicide. Tabloid vs art. The choice in the end is how you choose to look at art.
Thank you for your suggestion. Yes, in this case I have two videos in production on this topic. One is on the different kinds of editors, and the other is 10 quick edits to improve any manuscript. If you are a subscriber and clicked on the bell icon, you will get notifications about these videos as they appear in coming weeks.
Thank you. There is so much blather and hype about the writing process and I have learned to ignore most of it. I find that your videos are helpful, and deliver what they promise. I am editing a work now, and find it different than, but not easier than, writing. Thank you again
Very informative..and interesting! I'm a great believer in free expression in writing..stream of consciousness writing is the best!Whatever comes in? write it down...you may sound like Shakespeare or sound like a clown? But before a piece of writing is a empty page..fill up that emptiness with words..we are all poets and kerouac knows it.
His manuscript for OTR was delivered to the same publisher through three seperate sources. He was ambitious. He made contacts and used them for his own best interests. He was a drunk, a thief, and a manipulative asshole. I enjoyed On The Road well enough. It's more enjoyable when I think of how it must offend the young 'uns today.
Yes. As I remind people, the real hero of "On the Road" was Allen Ginsberg. Kerouac's manuscript was a completely disjointed undisciplined mess. It took Ginsberg nearly three years to turn it into the novel we have today. Kerouac's conventional "The Town and the City" (his first novel, 1950) would probably have been his last had it not been for Ginsberg.
@@VelocityWriting I've been meaning to come back and delete my comment. I won't now that you've responded. I was overly harsh. There is something about the beats that I've found distasteful. I try not to let the personal lives of writers interfere with my appreciation of their work, but with this group, I fall flat. Speaking of falls, I enjoyed The Fall of America: Poems of These States as well as Ginsberg's roll as Doomsday Preacher in the Bob Dylan video, Subterranean Homesick Blues. (At least I think that was him.) Other than that and his alleged abnormal affection for children, I know nuthin bout the guy Thank you for this channel. I'm enjoying it and learning a lot.
I started reading, "On the Road" three separate times and stopped about a third of the way through because I didn't like any of the characters. They had no redeeming traits. I certainly wouldn't have hung out with any of them. As for Ginsberg, I dedicated a sewer to him years ago.
You might be a little harsh Bob. Yes, the characters in "On the Road" are unsavory. The writing becomes a little turgid too. The failed 2012 movie of "On the Road" tends to support your view that characters do not translate visually too well, on the screen or in the minds of many readers. Nevertheless, "On the Road" did a lot to shape the counter-culture sensibilities of the 1960s and which are still with us in the "progressive' movement today. Good seed or bad? Time will tell. But Kerouac is worth reading, or at least trying to read. Ginsberg is revered in some literary circles. In others he is famous for being famous--his associations with people like Kerouac, Burroughs and Bob Dylan, for example. However, no one can discount Ginsberg's "Howl." It is an the unequaled statement about hopelessness and anger of modern humanism. So, both Kerouac and Ginsberg teach us important lessons, some by design, some by accident.
i find your videos on the personal advice of authors so helpful. i rarely hear a piece of writing advice ive never heard, but any of these videos of yours i stumble on always give me something to think about. i can barely listen to any tips at all these days because its become a matter of waiting to get thru tips ive heard already, but again these videos you seem to have many of, all contain tips ive never heard. thank you for being someone who keeos the real writing age alive in this place where so many under experienced people offer their opinions without ever studying the craft beyond other like minded inexperienced authors. thank you.
The secret notebooks come BEFORE the book. This is how you discover who you are...and what you want to write about. Self-discovery is the joy. Later, one can figure out how to put it into an outline and book form. I've been looking at my early notebooks recently. And the writing is BETTER than what I've been able to include in my formal publications. This is a real issue for me.
I was born in 1949. This book fascinated me because of his world was what was happening just before I was born. Jack had a Thomas Wolfe inclination, reading every book in the library.
The Dharma Bums was fantastic
Jack was heavily influenced by Buddhism but he was steadfast in his assertion that he was Catholic.
Buddhism is a metaphysical Guide to the Enlightened Life, but it is not a religion. The sine qua non for a belief system to be a religion is belief in a Supreme Being, and Buddhism doesn't have that.
Each time I encounter anything from Kerouac I feel inspired, yet I've only read On The Road so far from him.
Hey, Billy Joel mentions him in, “We didn’t start the fire,” soooo, you’ve got my ear 👂
Wow! Thanks! Keep doing what you do!
Enjoyed this...many cheers
Good advice about the rules of grammar and syntax - but first learn them before you ignore them.
I tried twice to read 'On the Road' and haven't got past page 70. It didn't grab me. I'll try again. I understand Jack would tape a lot of pages together before putting them in the typewriter so he wouldn't have to stop thinking to put in a new sheet. Truman Capote said of Jack, 'That isn't writing. It's typing'.
I'm curious, did someone else spend 6 years editing 'On the Road', or did he do it himself?
I hear you. The fact is, Kerouac's friend, Allen Ginsberg spent three years editing "On the Road" into something readable.
The "On the Road" movie (2012) tanked because it did not grab people either. But Kerouac wrote a "mini" "On the Road." It's called, "Visions of Cody" and is worth your time, I'd say.
@@VelocityWriting 1 Capote quip oft quoted snipe was recanted. Truman was at the time a blocked writer and feared his loss of status 2 Kerouac did not write the screenplay of 2012 flop and can hardly be responsible for the outcome. Besides the book has no plot other than a quest and contains no violence while films are plot and conflict driven. 3 Kerouac not Ginsberg did the rewrites, The beats shared manuscripts ,,,, but it's silly to think AG rewrote OTR in the final form. The publisher may have had recommendations. The structure was Kerouac. Most critique of Kerouac was attacking the man and his life. The critics don't read his art, they attack the man. Much like looking at van gogh's "starry night" and critiquing it as the work of a one eared madman who committed suicide. Tabloid vs art. The choice in the end is how you choose to look at art.
Very good choice of words you use. If I do say so myself.
Would you consider doing a video/ lesson on the skill of editing. Thank you.
Thank you for your suggestion. Yes, in this case I have two videos in production on this topic. One is on the different kinds of editors, and the other is 10 quick edits to improve any manuscript. If you are a subscriber and clicked on the bell icon, you will get notifications about these videos as they appear in coming weeks.
Thank you. There is so much blather and hype about the writing process and I have learned to ignore most of it. I find that your videos are helpful, and deliver what they promise. I am editing a work now, and find it different than, but not easier than, writing. Thank you again
Is there 12-step program for compulsive self-editors?
Ha! I don't think so, but there should be one. It is an addiction that can ruin a writer's life.
Very informative..and interesting! I'm a great believer in free expression in writing..stream of consciousness writing is the best!Whatever comes in? write it down...you may sound like Shakespeare or sound like a clown? But before a piece of writing is a empty page..fill up that emptiness with words..we are all poets and kerouac knows it.
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Spontaneous thoughts
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His manuscript for OTR was delivered to the same publisher through three seperate sources. He was ambitious. He made contacts and used them for his own best interests. He was a drunk, a thief, and a manipulative asshole. I enjoyed On The Road well enough. It's more enjoyable when I think of how it must offend the young 'uns today.
Yes. As I remind people, the real hero of "On the Road" was Allen Ginsberg. Kerouac's manuscript was a completely disjointed undisciplined mess. It took Ginsberg nearly three years to turn it into the novel we have today. Kerouac's conventional "The Town and the City" (his first novel, 1950) would probably have been his last had it not been for Ginsberg.
@@VelocityWriting I've been meaning to come back and delete my comment. I won't now that you've responded. I was overly harsh. There is something about the beats that I've found distasteful. I try not to let the personal lives of writers interfere with my appreciation of their work, but with this group, I fall flat.
Speaking of falls, I enjoyed The Fall of America: Poems of These States as well as Ginsberg's roll as Doomsday Preacher in the Bob Dylan video, Subterranean Homesick Blues. (At least I think that was him.) Other than that and his alleged abnormal affection for children, I know nuthin bout the guy
Thank you for this channel. I'm enjoying it and learning a lot.
I started reading, "On the Road" three separate times and stopped about a third of the way through because I didn't like any of the characters. They had no redeeming traits. I certainly wouldn't have hung out with any of them. As for Ginsberg, I dedicated a sewer to him years ago.
You might be a little harsh Bob.
Yes, the characters in "On the Road" are unsavory. The writing becomes a little turgid too. The failed 2012 movie of "On the Road" tends to support your view that characters do not translate visually too well, on the screen or in the minds of many readers. Nevertheless, "On the Road" did a lot to shape the counter-culture sensibilities of the 1960s and which are still with us in the "progressive' movement today. Good seed or bad? Time will tell. But Kerouac is worth reading, or at least trying to read.
Ginsberg is revered in some literary circles. In others he is famous for being famous--his associations with people like Kerouac, Burroughs and Bob Dylan, for example. However, no one can discount Ginsberg's "Howl." It is an the unequaled statement about hopelessness and anger of modern humanism.
So, both Kerouac and Ginsberg teach us important lessons, some by design, some by accident.