Having recently flown on both the A350(Air France) and 787(United), I can say that both are very comfortable to fly in and also quiet(er). I liked the 787 because of the dimmable windows, and the A350 for the cameras. The A350 felt more spacious than the 787 though.
As you said in the video, the A350 is designed to more directly compete with the 777 family, and the 787 is designed to replace Boeing 767, and Airbus A330 market segment aircraft. That being said the 787-8 and -9 boast impressive ranges for midsized widebodies, and as well as being capable of landing in smaller airports. Something Boeing has taken pride in with the 787 is the use of the aircraft in creating new city pairs, with their data indicating that the family has created over 350 new city pairs since its entry into service. The A350 has proven a very popular option to replace, or augment existing long haul fleets consisting of 777s, with the likes of Cathay Pacific, Delta and British Airways. Two of which intend to operate the 777X. Overall, both aircraft are incredibly capable designs, and suit their segments exceptionally well, with the likes of Qatar Airways, Japan Airlines, Air France and the aforementioned British Airways operating both, and with Emirates, Qantas and Air India set to do so in the coming months and years. It could be said that for many carriers the two complement each other exceptionally well, and enable the airlines in question to fine tune their network by employing the aircraft types on routes which they thrive. To all of those who say one manufacturer is better than the other, go away, because at the end of the day, they both produced a truly excellent aircraft which both have flaws, because they employ new technology, and as an engineer in a closely related field to Aerospace, in my case Ocean Engineering, utilization of new technologies always leads to teething issues, unfortunately, the 787 has had more of these, though some of that can probably be sourced from Boeing's choice to source a lot more from suppliers than it had previously ever done for any program. And yes, I will readily admit Boeing's corporate culture was definitively in the profit>safety, mindset, but given recent events, to say that is still the case is ignorant. Boeing halted 787 deliveries recently again because *they*, not the FAA, noticed an issue with a part from a supplier, if that's not evidence that they've at least shifted away from a profits first culture, I dont know what is.
I agree 💯 percent with everything you say here. I think both these airplanes have unique appeal. One is definitely not better then the other, and yes, they've both have had issues on the offset, but they're operating economics show that they are extraordinary types. The 787 has been put into the spotlight with newer technology and comfort, and did have issues too, but it's not about a company that is seeking profits over important "fixes" like you say, it's about careful engineering to get this airplane delivered again. The A350 also had troubling issues of such that had the manufacturer and the customer "crossing swords" at a time, but then they both reconciled because one can't lose that customer, and one needs that aircraft. It is just simply put.
@Dan Donato The point I was trying to make regarding Boeing's executive culture was oriented at the company as a whole, and I was using the recent halt in deliveries as an example of that shifting. But you are correct, the Engineers are indeed making efforts to ensure top safety and quality of the aircraft, and trying to get deliveries restarted to customers as soon as the issue is resolved, which I think will probably occur in early to mid April, with deliveries being restarted shortly thereafter.
@@josephaskins1996 Thank you! I am glad that you, and I see eye to eye. A lot of people don't understand, and are blasting Boeing because they think they're a corrupt company, and exhibit themselves to false practices, and to profits instead of safety, which in itself is paramount indefinitely. The Boeing company has always built great reliable airplanes. It's not fair and just way out of line. I think Airbus is getting way too much credit lately, despite building a great airplane like the A350, but people shouldn't hold Boeing short anyway.
@@Dan.d649 I agree wholeheartedly, and I think that sort of rhetoric, as is present in the comments on this video and on others, where Airbus is better than Boeing, is ignorant and comes from what I like to call "Airbus Fanboys" who basically believe Airbus is better every time, all the time and don't realize that Airbus is a business with its own issues, this group is distinct from Airbus fans, who simply prefer Airbus products to Boeing ones but do so in a respectful and fair way, these sorts of people also exist for Boeing, of course, though the Boeing Fanboy is something I see a lot less of. The best approach, as I see it, to the Airbus-Boeing duopoly and competitions more generally, is to be balanced and analytical on the different aircraft the two offer, and the issues that underly what we see. I listed one such example in my original comment: Boeing utilized a more spread-out and external supply chain for the 787 than any other aircraft they've ever produced, which has caused many issues with the 787 program. The current aircraft on offer from both companies are some wonderfully advanced aircraft, the Max had a fatal flaw, but that has received a fix and congress has enacted a plan whereby Boeing will be able to sell the MAX 7 and 10 variants with that fix in place, but then update the cockpit of all MAX variants to a more modern regulatory standard, which Boeing will be financially liable for. Boeing has a long way to go in sorting out its issues in the wake of the MAX crisis, but I am hopeful that Boeing will recover and continue to advance the commercial aviation space alongside other companies, and will learn from their recent past and establish a culture and business model that puts safe, economical, and increasingly environmentally friendly aircraft into the market.
@@josephaskins1996As one that has some knowledge in airplanes, and manufacturers, I do believe Boeing will recover. I've been a Boeing fan all my life. They are too global a company to diminish their profitability, and airplane sales due to setbacks that happen to have occurred to what people say "faulty engineering". All safety protocols would be followed closely to not "reoccur" the same tragedies ever again. Just like you said, the definitive problems the 737-MAX airplane had, were brought to a conclusion, where Congress was then satisfied to see that the airplane's MCAS system was reorganized, and has proven to have been "fixed". Then some time later, flight crews were then completely satisfied with the airplane, and sales, deliveries started to return. However, yes, there are still other troubling issues that Boeing has to deal with. The 787 problems to some at this point, seem kind of minor based on the airplane's structural status, but we'll see. One other, the 777-9X is an airplane that hasn't been ready to be delivered yet, is one of a chain of problems still. I think Airbus is dealing with various issues also, prior to their "spat" with Qatar Airways about the paint issues. They've also had delivery issues as well. Boeing will be fine!!
The problem with aviation videos is that all the fan boys start arguing about why their aircraft is better than the others. Yet the Aviation enthusiasts will appreciate both aircraft for their complex engineering and think both are amazing.
I agree 100% with your statement I enjoy both I’m a true av geek I never understood the groupie/fanboy stuff if your a person that loves things that fly 🤷🏾♂️
If I could choose as a passenger, I would always choose Airbus over Boeing to fly with, no matter which aircraft type. I have never flown on the A350 though, but I have flown a couple of times on the Boeing 787. It was a nice experience. I had no option to fly in an Airbus on the occasions where I flew on the 787. It is probably the best and most beautiful plane from Boeing. Nothing to complain about it. I still would rather fly on an Airbus instead.
I really enjoyed the large seats in the economy class of the A350. I have quite large shoulders, and 1 inch more is quite enjoyable. also, the large windows of the 787 were nice when I flew over central america, but I usually prefer aisle seats becasue I have a bit more place.
Seats are airline choices, many brands make many seats, cheap n nasty to op end of town.that’s not manufacturer driven. Cabin width sometimes mean an xtra seat in a row, Hense less comfortable. If your smart, down load the airlines seating maps, do your homework, the truth is explorable.
I flew in both to Abu Dhabi. The A350 to Abu Dhabi and the 787 back to the US. I felt the comfort depends on the airline. Etihad crammed an extra seat into the A350 for 10 across that it felt tight. While the Dreamliner is a smaller aircraft but had 9 across and bigger windows that it felt more spacious and comfortable. The larger windows, visible on both sides sides of the plane made the Dreamliner comfortable. As for noise…I didn’t notice the difference, especially if you were plugged into the onboard entertainment.
That’s exactly right comfort has nothing to do with the manufacturer the customer dictates this also 787 does not compete with a-350 only a-330 which it dominates
Just because they're composite airframes will immediately draw a comparison between the two.. 787 more closely competes with the latest a 330 neo offerings.. A350 ofcourse is a direct competitor to the 777 series . Both have succeeded in their respective markets..!!!! .
The a350 and 777 are two generations apart. They are "competitors". It's like comparing the a320neo to the 737-800, or 737MAX 8 with the a320-200 No airline is choosing between a 777 and an a350 when making a purchase, unless you are taking about the 777X which is larger.
@Bring back MD!!! - sadly, MD never left. I wish it had! Instead its corporate culture has taken over Boeing's. Which resulted in degradation of Boeing design and manufacturing quality.
I have not yet flown the A350, but I have flown many times on the 787. I do like the 787 and find that the business class cabins on most airlines are configured very comfortably. It is a quiet and although you said that the A350 has a more spacious interior, I think that the overall interior room in the 787 is quite good.
May be true in business class, but I'll have to accept your opinion on that. However, in economy class the 3-3-3 configuration is better in the A350 because of the wider cabin. Extra seat width is also the reason I prefer the A330, with it's 2-4-2 configuration.
Both are great aircraft.. Its like comparing bmw with audi or mercedes.. all great brands.. And everybody will have their own preferences, also depending on the airline, and chosen layout.. As a passenger i prefere the wider A350, but as a pilot i would prefer the 787…
Airbus aircraft are generally quieter than Boeing. I have travelled in both in business class and prefer the A350. One annoying feature of the 787 is the offset recline angle on the port side of the aircraft did not realise this until a flight from Amman to Abu Dhabi on a Ethiad 787. had the same issue on Singapore Airlines 777 from Singapore to Dubai. My left leg is partially paralysed so it makes for an uncomfortable flight just need to remember to get a seat on the starboard side for future Boeing flights!
I am a real fan of the B757 and B767, two of the best aircraft from the past, but every Airbus Aircraft I've flown on is even better. They seem quieter, have better passenger amenities and just feel more solid than Boeing. I will fly on Boeings, but if I have a choice, I would choose Airbus.
787 sort of compares to A330.not 350which is in à totally différent league. Regarding quality, there are no comparaison, Airbus is out of reach of Boeing, a différent world.
The A350-900 has become popular became it has been in the process of replacing the 777-200ER models sold in the late 1990's to early 2000's. And it could become a candidate for the installation of a new engine based on the _UltraFan_ demonstrator engine Rolls-Royce has been working on.
I think the 787 is a slightly better looking plane, so it wins aesthetically. But from the passenger experience point of view I have to go for the A350 with its more spacious (especially taller) interior. You're not as cramped, and that's a big plus on an ultra long haul flight.
Flown both plenty of times. Used to prefer the 787 but now like the a350 which i think is slightly more comfortable and smoother by a smidge. The dimmable windows are nice though on the 787
Touching on the 787's true competitor the A330-900 which is currently rolling out Enhanced Packages to the mechanics of the plane I.e. engines/landing gear for an increased durability from 10 to 12 years and they have have done this with higher density short range flights with higher capacity numbers in mind. Widebodys aren't designed for multiple cycles per day over the industry standard 10 years and this just goes to show how important they are taking the fight to Boeing by isolating the 787 to somewhere between the a350-900 and the a330-900. Imo the 787 will start losing ground on future orders while factoring in the aviation boom moving forward and Boeing's poor track record of investment on their current aircraft types.
Thank you for this. So many other commentators include 777? (the ? standing in for whatever variation Boeing is trying). the 777 is a two decades+ design, it is not cutting edge - the A350 may be "designed" to compete with it, but they are not comparable. The A350/B787 comparison is much more valid and useful. I myself have flown both (and 777) and there is little between these two IMHO as a passenger.
Yes and no. Yes they are two different generations, but the A350 is the replacement of the a340 which itself was the competitor of the 777. Since then Boeing hasn’t got a wide body long haul replacement for the 777, so the comparison between the a350 and 777 is the right one. While the 787 is more in the same category as the a330. The only reason people compare the a350 and 787 is because they are both clean sheets designs made of carbon fibre, but that’s the only thing they share.
From a PaxEx perspective, I can't get a GPS signal inside a 787 but I can in an A350. Somewhat annoying as I like to use my EFB app when flying to get more info than shown on the IFE's route map :)
this could have been a longer video: the differences should be considered from the following perspectives: - crew - pax - airline Each will have their own views on the pros and cons.
CFRP-Carbon fibre reinforced plastic. Plastic is made from polymer, but you don't have to say it. Rolls off the tongue better and it also the technically correct term.
This is an opinion that you are definitely entitled to. However the actual countless airlines that operate both types have a different view on things and thats why they operate both types... The A350 fuselage is wider than that of the 787, so in many cases what you are saying is a given, as the A350 has more space...
@@dmcr9525 Not only more space, it's quieter, more comfortable long haul experience with higher humidity. The 787 is overrated to be honest... having flew numerous times with SIA/ANA/AirNZ 787, the A350 operated by Qatar/SIA/Thai/China Airline/LFT is superior in single aspects.
Choose the Airbus a350 as Airbus did the engineering themselves. Boeing used an ODM (original design manufacturer) approach to the 787 Dreamliner to save on research and development costs. That means Boeing contracted other 3rd party companies to do the engineering for them and those said contracted companies sub-contracted other 3rd party companies to make the parts for the 787 Dreamliner. Because those parts are not made to Boeing specifications they don’t fit correctly which makes the tight tolerances and precision engineering of the 787 Dreamliner a quality control nightmare. Airbus is still an OEM (original equipment manufacturer) thus they control the engineering of the a350. I wish Boeing did the same for the 787 Dreamliner, the 737 Max 10, and the 777x.
Tbh the 'pros and cons' framing of the differences between them is pointless. You've already touched upon it on the video: these two aircraft families don't compete with one another. The 787 more closely competes with the A330neo, and the A350 with both the 777 and 777x. You probably should've made that the central point of the video because as this comments section has demonstrated, a lot of immature fanboys are still oblivious to the fact that these two aircraft are actually an entire segment separated from each other. Coby Explanes has one of the best pair of videos explaining the differences between the A350 and 787, one explaining why they're not competitors, and another talking about the small overlap that does exist between the 787-10 and the A350-900. His videos perfectly explain why airlines such as Vietnam Airlines, British Airways, Japan Airlines, among others operate both types in their fleet. The 787 and A350 are two very different aircraft. They just happen to share the same generation of technology in their development.
Long story short, passengers and pilots prefer the much more comfortable, wider and quieter A350 with the modern cockpit. Airline controllers prefer the 787 because it's cheaper which is the only advantage over the A350. If I was a pilot I would refuse flying in an outdated cockpit with yokes whereas side sticks are state of the art in modern Airbus, Gulfstream, Bombardier and Embraer jets. The 787 does not even have enough space for a modern business class seat like Qatar's QSuite.
787 vs A350 - What's The Difference? The a350 is made by a company that makes quality aircraft and doesn't slam dunk deliveries out of the factory for profits over quality. The 787 NightMare Liner (aka ScreamLiner) is made by the company that threw the 737 Crash and Burn MAX out of the factory knowing it had major flaws. Enough said?
There is no difference. They are both great airplanes, and both excelled in sales, and airlines of many, are pleased with their "drive" to success with these two aircraft in the long-haul market.
For me it has to be the 350 over the 787, just a preference to Airbus over Boeing,I did however like the BA 777 that took me to Boston some years ago, but the return trip on a Virgin 340-600 from DC was way more memorable and since then my preference to Airbus remains, would I ever fly on a 737Max ?the answer is a definite NO
I flew on two A350's in the last couple of weeks and for the taller passenger they're not that good because of how low into the cabin the overhead bins are
Boeing has delivered approximately 1041 787s to date. Airbus has delivered approximately 530 A350s to date. When the Boeing 777-8 and the 777-9 enter service, Boeing will have three aircraft, ( 787, 777-8 & 777-9 ) to compete with the A350-900 and A350-1000 which will give airlines a better choice with Boeing aircraft.
Begs the question- why is Air NZ trying to operate a substantially shorter ranged aircraft on the ultra long range Auckland- NYC route and finding they need to stop at Nadi🤣. This will burn way more fuel than actually flying non stop in an A350 which would make the distance
The HGW treatment on the 787 is expected push the range of the 787-9 beyond the a350-900's thou. Air NZ have two more 787-9 on order, which could most likely come with the upgrade. This should allow the 787-9 to operate Auckland -NYC comfortably at a lower fuel burn than the a350. Not so funny now hey?
@@mmm0404 especially one with a wingspan 15 ft shorter than it's opposition. The tankage area will be less, therefore. Just doesn't add up! Also, begs the question why 787 was short of fuel capacity to start with. Do they really have space for more fuel Enock or is this more Boeing BS. Fact is, the planes not doing what the airline requires it to do, NON STOP Akl - NYC. As a shareholder in Air NZ, I want this sorted
@@michaelosgood9876 you must realise that the requirements for Air NZ are unique more especially for an aircraft like the 787-9. A significant majority of airlines are satisfied with the range of the 787-9 , and it's demand has been very high even with it's current performance, that's why Boeing never really saw the need for even longer range on the 787-9 until now. Boeing engineers have been testing newer fuel tanks on the 787, so that won't be a problem. Longer range, sometimes comes with a heavier airframe , which leads to a higher fuel burn. So finding a way of shaving off weight, while increasing the MTOW for more range is very important to maintaining performance. Having smaller tanks, and a shorter wing may have a performance ( range ) penalty but guarantees a lighter airframe which lowers fuel burn and makes the 787 the most efficient widebody currently on the market. With Boeing pushing for more range on the 787-10 to try and break the a350s dominance in the 300-400 seat segment, the same improvements will be incorporated on the 787-9. Remember thou that these payload-range improvements on the 787-9 will only be appreciated by only a few airlines like ANZ. Lastly the the 787 was always proposed as an ultra long range aircraft with 8000+nmi from the very beginning ( launch ) but when Boeing experience Overweight issues with their first production aircraft, they reduced their performance targets to manage that, one of them was keeping the wing shorter than initially proposed. They have now managed to keep that in check and the range of the 787-9 can now be pushed beyond 8000nmi to match that of the a350-900, with an increase in the MTOW by at least 6T.
This week I flew Air China B787-9 and A350-900 back to back. First aircraft 5 years and secound 2+. User experience pretty much identical and not too good, this due to Air China with their interior and infotainment system and also chinese cleaning. Noise maybe 1db higher in the A350. Had seat 53J on both flight, that brings me closer to the engine on the A350
For passenger comfort, A350 is much more comfortable then 787, roomier, quiet cabin, larger seat and space. 787 cabin is cramped, cold 🥶 and loud. For passenger comfort, A380 best, A350 second, 777 third. 787 might be a good airplane for carrier, but not as good for it’s passenger.
The A350 and 787 are not competitors except the 787-10. The 787 competes with the A330neo and the A350 competes with the 777 and also will compete with the 777X.
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Dumb comparison as they don't compete against each other outside of a very thin slither of overlap. 777X competes against A350. A330 competes against 787. But may I say that I've flown on both and both are absolutely wonderful aircraft in their own right. Very comfortable.
Boeing has become a follower rather than a leader. Airbus is more inventive, more ecological, more cost effective and will become the manufacturer of the future. Besides, the shareholder value mentality of Boeing will be disastrous, long term, for a once respected manufacturer.
That happened because of Boeing's merge with McDonnell Douglas. Boeing proper has always been about excellence in design and execution. I hope the MD culture is eventually expelled from Boeing.
How? The a350 was. Response to the 787. You are looking at the past few years which is such an insignificant period of time when talking about the aircraft manufacturer industry so I’m this case it was airbus following Boeing
@@matthewmortensen7414 Let's look ahead then: Boeing announced they're not starting any new aircraft development this decade. Deliveries of 787 are halted again, 777x introduction is an embarrassment. Airbus had its flop (but passengers favourite) with a380, but now is killing it across the board. I hope Boeing will get their act together. We all benefit from strong competition.
Naturalmente Capi Leyton que el Boeing 787 Dreamliner no encaja perfectamente para comparar con el Airbus 350. El Boeing 787 Dreamliner fue creado 12 años antes que el Airbus 350. La compañía Boeing siempre va a la vanguardia en tecnología y ahorros en lo referente a sus productos de la misma manera tu no me Puedes comparar el Airbus 350 con el Boeing 777
What sets the two apart: the 787 is plagued by production defects and Boeing's corporate culture (The only issue for the A350 is related to paint, which has been resolved for all airlines readily except for QR whose CEO is using it disingenuously to escape his surplus orders of aircraft).
Tail camera? Everytime you start to get legit, you step on your appendage. Just flying farther is not more economical if only an issue on rare route segments. Do you see a route from CHS to AUK rather than through IAH? Duh. Your over attention to project Sunrise, really. How many flights are we talking about weekly? 5, 10? Let me know how your design of an aircraft for that many flights really matters in the real world. I think you just like saying project sunrise.
Having recently flown on both the A350(Air France) and 787(United), I can say that both are very comfortable to fly in and also quiet(er). I liked the 787 because of the dimmable windows, and the A350 for the cameras. The A350 felt more spacious than the 787 though.
Because the 350 is physically more spacious. No feelings required
@@soccerguy2433 They are also not direct competitors. A350 = 777x and a330 neo = 787
@@sdf6508Maybe the smaller A350s are competitors to the 787-9
yeah I've no idea why the A350-900 and 1000 are being compared to the 787-9 when the A330neo is it's most similar equivalent jet
As you said in the video, the A350 is designed to more directly compete with the 777 family, and the 787 is designed to replace Boeing 767, and Airbus A330 market segment aircraft. That being said the 787-8 and -9 boast impressive ranges for midsized widebodies, and as well as being capable of landing in smaller airports. Something Boeing has taken pride in with the 787 is the use of the aircraft in creating new city pairs, with their data indicating that the family has created over 350 new city pairs since its entry into service. The A350 has proven a very popular option to replace, or augment existing long haul fleets consisting of 777s, with the likes of Cathay Pacific, Delta and British Airways. Two of which intend to operate the 777X. Overall, both aircraft are incredibly capable designs, and suit their segments exceptionally well, with the likes of Qatar Airways, Japan Airlines, Air France and the aforementioned British Airways operating both, and with Emirates, Qantas and Air India set to do so in the coming months and years. It could be said that for many carriers the two complement each other exceptionally well, and enable the airlines in question to fine tune their network by employing the aircraft types on routes which they thrive.
To all of those who say one manufacturer is better than the other, go away, because at the end of the day, they both produced a truly excellent aircraft which both have flaws, because they employ new technology, and as an engineer in a closely related field to Aerospace, in my case Ocean Engineering, utilization of new technologies always leads to teething issues, unfortunately, the 787 has had more of these, though some of that can probably be sourced from Boeing's choice to source a lot more from suppliers than it had previously ever done for any program. And yes, I will readily admit Boeing's corporate culture was definitively in the profit>safety, mindset, but given recent events, to say that is still the case is ignorant. Boeing halted 787 deliveries recently again because *they*, not the FAA, noticed an issue with a part from a supplier, if that's not evidence that they've at least shifted away from a profits first culture, I dont know what is.
I agree 💯 percent with everything you say here. I think both these airplanes have unique appeal. One is definitely not better then the other, and yes, they've both have had issues on the offset, but they're operating economics show that they are extraordinary types. The 787 has been put into the spotlight with newer technology and comfort, and did have issues too, but it's not about a company that is seeking profits over important "fixes" like you say, it's about careful engineering to get this airplane delivered again. The A350 also had troubling issues of such that had the manufacturer and the customer "crossing swords" at a time, but then they both reconciled because one can't lose that customer, and one needs that aircraft. It is just simply put.
@Dan Donato The point I was trying to make regarding Boeing's executive culture was oriented at the company as a whole, and I was using the recent halt in deliveries as an example of that shifting. But you are correct, the Engineers are indeed making efforts to ensure top safety and quality of the aircraft, and trying to get deliveries restarted to customers as soon as the issue is resolved, which I think will probably occur in early to mid April, with deliveries being restarted shortly thereafter.
@@josephaskins1996 Thank you! I am glad that you, and I see eye to eye. A lot of people don't understand, and are blasting Boeing because they think they're a corrupt company, and exhibit themselves to false practices, and to profits instead of safety, which in itself is paramount indefinitely. The Boeing company has always built great reliable airplanes. It's not fair and just way out of line. I think Airbus is getting way too much credit lately, despite building a great airplane like the A350, but people shouldn't hold Boeing short anyway.
@@Dan.d649 I agree wholeheartedly, and I think that sort of rhetoric, as is present in the comments on this video and on others, where Airbus is better than Boeing, is ignorant and comes from what I like to call "Airbus Fanboys" who basically believe Airbus is better every time, all the time and don't realize that Airbus is a business with its own issues, this group is distinct from Airbus fans, who simply prefer Airbus products to Boeing ones but do so in a respectful and fair way, these sorts of people also exist for Boeing, of course, though the Boeing Fanboy is something I see a lot less of. The best approach, as I see it, to the Airbus-Boeing duopoly and competitions more generally, is to be balanced and analytical on the different aircraft the two offer, and the issues that underly what we see. I listed one such example in my original comment: Boeing utilized a more spread-out and external supply chain for the 787 than any other aircraft they've ever produced, which has caused many issues with the 787 program. The current aircraft on offer from both companies are some wonderfully advanced aircraft, the Max had a fatal flaw, but that has received a fix and congress has enacted a plan whereby Boeing will be able to sell the MAX 7 and 10 variants with that fix in place, but then update the cockpit of all MAX variants to a more modern regulatory standard, which Boeing will be financially liable for. Boeing has a long way to go in sorting out its issues in the wake of the MAX crisis, but I am hopeful that Boeing will recover and continue to advance the commercial aviation space alongside other companies, and will learn from their recent past and establish a culture and business model that puts safe, economical, and increasingly environmentally friendly aircraft into the market.
@@josephaskins1996As one that has some knowledge in airplanes, and manufacturers, I do believe Boeing will recover. I've been a Boeing fan all my life. They are too global a company to diminish their profitability, and airplane sales due to setbacks that happen to have occurred to what people say "faulty engineering". All safety protocols would be followed closely to not "reoccur" the same tragedies ever again. Just like you said, the definitive problems the 737-MAX airplane had, were brought to a conclusion, where Congress was then satisfied to see that the airplane's MCAS system was reorganized, and has proven to have been "fixed". Then some time later, flight crews were then completely satisfied with the airplane, and sales, deliveries started to return. However, yes, there are still other troubling issues that Boeing has to deal with. The 787 problems to some at this point, seem kind of minor based on the airplane's structural status, but we'll see. One other, the 777-9X is an airplane that hasn't been ready to be delivered yet, is one of a chain of problems still. I think Airbus is dealing with various issues also, prior to their "spat" with Qatar Airways about the paint issues. They've also had delivery issues as well. Boeing will be fine!!
The problem with aviation videos is that all the fan boys start arguing about why their aircraft is better than the others. Yet the Aviation enthusiasts will appreciate both aircraft for their complex engineering and think both are amazing.
I agree 100% with your statement I enjoy both I’m a true av geek I never understood the groupie/fanboy stuff if your a person that loves things that fly 🤷🏾♂️
If I could choose as a passenger, I would always choose Airbus over Boeing to fly with, no matter which aircraft type. I have never flown on the A350 though, but I have flown a couple of times on the Boeing 787. It was a nice experience. I had no option to fly in an Airbus on the occasions where I flew on the 787. It is probably the best and most beautiful plane from Boeing. Nothing to complain about it. I still would rather fly on an Airbus instead.
I really enjoyed the large seats in the economy class of the A350. I have quite large shoulders, and 1 inch more is quite enjoyable.
also, the large windows of the 787 were nice when I flew over central america, but I usually prefer aisle seats becasue I have a bit more place.
Seats are airline choices, many brands make many seats, cheap n nasty to op end of town.that’s not manufacturer driven. Cabin width sometimes mean an xtra seat in a row, Hense less comfortable. If your smart, down load the airlines seating maps, do your homework, the truth is explorable.
I flew in both to Abu Dhabi. The A350 to Abu Dhabi and the 787 back to the US. I felt the comfort depends on the airline. Etihad crammed an extra seat into the A350 for 10 across that it felt tight. While the Dreamliner is a smaller aircraft but had 9 across and bigger windows that it felt more spacious and comfortable. The larger windows, visible on both sides sides of the plane made the Dreamliner comfortable. As for noise…I didn’t notice the difference, especially if you were plugged into the onboard entertainment.
That’s exactly right comfort has nothing to do with the manufacturer the customer dictates this also 787 does not compete with a-350 only a-330 which it dominates
Just because they're composite airframes will immediately draw a comparison between the two..
787 more closely competes with the latest a 330 neo offerings..
A350 ofcourse is a direct competitor to the 777 series .
Both have succeeded in their respective markets..!!!!
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The a350 and 777 are two generations apart. They are "competitors".
It's like comparing the a320neo to the 737-800, or 737MAX 8 with the a320-200
No airline is choosing between a 777 and an a350 when making a purchase, unless you are taking about the 777X which is larger.
@Bring back MD!!! - sadly, MD never left. I wish it had! Instead its corporate culture has taken over Boeing's. Which resulted in degradation of Boeing design and manufacturing quality.
@@whoprofits2661 meehh
@@mmm0404they might be two generations apart but address the same market of wide body long haul flights, much like the a340 used to do with the 777.
I have not yet flown the A350, but I have flown many times on the 787. I do like the 787 and find that the business class cabins on most airlines are configured very comfortably. It is a quiet and although you said that the A350 has a more spacious interior, I think that the overall interior room in the 787 is quite good.
May be true in business class, but I'll have to accept your opinion on that. However, in economy class the 3-3-3 configuration is better in the A350 because of the wider cabin. Extra seat width is also the reason I prefer the A330, with it's 2-4-2 configuration.
A350❤❤ all day long
A beauty to watch ❤
Both are great aircraft.. Its like comparing bmw with audi or mercedes.. all great brands.. And everybody will have their own preferences, also depending on the airline, and chosen layout.. As a passenger i prefere the wider A350, but as a pilot i would prefer the 787…
Airbus aircraft are generally quieter than Boeing. I have travelled in both in business class and prefer the A350. One annoying feature of the 787 is the offset recline angle on the port side of the aircraft did not realise this until a flight from Amman to Abu Dhabi on a Ethiad 787. had the same issue on Singapore Airlines 777 from Singapore to Dubai. My left leg is partially paralysed so it makes for an uncomfortable flight just need to remember to get a seat on the starboard side for future Boeing flights!
Boeings are known as the tractors of the air, loud and noisy.
Im going on both soon , Can't wait 🎉
I am a real fan of the B757 and B767, two of the best aircraft from the past, but every Airbus Aircraft I've flown on is even better. They seem quieter, have better passenger amenities and just feel more solid than Boeing. I will fly on Boeings, but if I have a choice, I would choose Airbus.
787 sort of compares to A330.not 350which is in à totally différent league.
Regarding quality, there are no comparaison, Airbus is out of reach of Boeing, a différent world.
I really prefer the 787 but this takes nothing from the A350 ! British Airways is the only airline to fit a First Class cabin on the 797-9
They are one of the only 2 European carriers that still have F and even they are reducing the number of aircraft with F. The 350 doesn't have F.
The A350-900 has become popular became it has been in the process of replacing the 777-200ER models sold in the late 1990's to early 2000's. And it could become a candidate for the installation of a new engine based on the _UltraFan_ demonstrator engine Rolls-Royce has been working on.
I think the 787 is a slightly better looking plane, so it wins aesthetically. But from the passenger experience point of view I have to go for the A350 with its more spacious (especially taller) interior. You're not as cramped, and that's a big plus on an ultra long haul flight.
I'm actually a fan of both aircrafts 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
Flown both plenty of times. Used to prefer the 787 but now like the a350 which i think is slightly more comfortable and smoother by a smidge. The dimmable windows are nice though on the 787
Doesn't the a350 have more/only one to have flight view cameras ? I always enjoyed the a350's tail cameras for eg.
Have taken two different 14 hour flights on787's, were very enjoyable. Looking forward to getting on an. A350 soon.
Both are more efficient widebody aircraft
Touching on the 787's true competitor the A330-900 which is currently rolling out Enhanced Packages to the mechanics of the plane I.e. engines/landing gear for an increased durability from 10 to 12 years and they have have done this with higher density short range flights with higher capacity numbers in mind. Widebodys aren't designed for multiple cycles per day over the industry standard 10 years and this just goes to show how important they are taking the fight to Boeing by isolating the 787 to somewhere between the a350-900 and the a330-900. Imo the 787 will start losing ground on future orders while factoring in the aviation boom moving forward and Boeing's poor track record of investment on their current aircraft types.
Thank you for this. So many other commentators include 777? (the ? standing in for whatever variation Boeing is trying). the 777 is a two decades+ design, it is not cutting edge - the A350 may be "designed" to compete with it, but they are not comparable. The A350/B787 comparison is much more valid and useful. I myself have flown both (and 777) and there is little between these two IMHO as a passenger.
Yes and no. Yes they are two different generations, but the A350 is the replacement of the a340 which itself was the competitor of the 777. Since then Boeing hasn’t got a wide body long haul replacement for the 777, so the comparison between the a350 and 777 is the right one.
While the 787 is more in the same category as the a330.
The only reason people compare the a350 and 787 is because they are both clean sheets designs made of carbon fibre, but that’s the only thing they share.
The Airbus all the way!
Boeing all the way!
@@nickolliver3021 to the scrap yard 🥳
@@wadehiggins1114 so can Airbus go to the scrap yard 🥳
@Nick Olliver yes, to pick up the pilots dropping off the nightmareliners and 737 MCAS (May Crash Any Second)
@@wadehiggins1114 no but to drop off all those crackliners and failbus' pitch control issues and take the pilots away from those monsters of aircrafts
I loved flying American Airlines 787 to Brazil in 2017.
A350 is such a beautiful aircraft.
From a PaxEx perspective, I can't get a GPS signal inside a 787 but I can in an A350. Somewhat annoying as I like to use my EFB app when flying to get more info than shown on the IFE's route map :)
this could have been a longer video: the differences should be considered from the following perspectives:
- crew
- pax
- airline
Each will have their own views on the pros and cons.
CFRP-Carbon fibre reinforced plastic. Plastic is made from polymer, but you don't have to say it. Rolls off the tongue better and it also the technically correct term.
I have traveled in both for 10+ hrs ...
A350 is better than 787
This is an opinion that you are definitely entitled to. However the actual countless airlines that operate both types have a different view on things and thats why they operate both types... The A350 fuselage is wider than that of the 787, so in many cases what you are saying is a given, as the A350 has more space...
@@dmcr9525 Not only more space, it's quieter, more comfortable long haul experience with higher humidity. The 787 is overrated to be honest... having flew numerous times with SIA/ANA/AirNZ 787, the A350 operated by Qatar/SIA/Thai/China Airline/LFT is superior in single aspects.
I personally love the 787 my favourite aircrat such a beautiful plane
Choose the Airbus a350 as Airbus did the engineering themselves.
Boeing used an ODM (original design manufacturer) approach to the 787 Dreamliner to save on research and development costs. That means Boeing contracted other 3rd party companies to do the engineering for them and those said contracted companies sub-contracted other 3rd party companies to make the parts for the 787 Dreamliner. Because those parts are not made to Boeing specifications they don’t fit correctly which makes the tight tolerances and precision engineering of the 787 Dreamliner a quality control nightmare. Airbus is still an OEM (original equipment manufacturer) thus they control the engineering of the a350. I wish Boeing did the same for the 787 Dreamliner, the 737 Max 10, and the 777x.
Both have their pros and cons
Both are outstanding aircraft and will shape the future of aviation
Tho i prefer the a350, the 787 aint no slouch also
Tbh the 'pros and cons' framing of the differences between them is pointless. You've already touched upon it on the video: these two aircraft families don't compete with one another. The 787 more closely competes with the A330neo, and the A350 with both the 777 and 777x. You probably should've made that the central point of the video because as this comments section has demonstrated, a lot of immature fanboys are still oblivious to the fact that these two aircraft are actually an entire segment separated from each other.
Coby Explanes has one of the best pair of videos explaining the differences between the A350 and 787, one explaining why they're not competitors, and another talking about the small overlap that does exist between the 787-10 and the A350-900. His videos perfectly explain why airlines such as Vietnam Airlines, British Airways, Japan Airlines, among others operate both types in their fleet.
The 787 and A350 are two very different aircraft. They just happen to share the same generation of technology in their development.
Bulk cargo is bigger in the 787 than the a350
A350
Long story short, passengers and pilots prefer the much more comfortable, wider and quieter A350 with the modern cockpit. Airline controllers prefer the 787 because it's cheaper which is the only advantage over the A350. If I was a pilot I would refuse flying in an outdated cockpit with yokes whereas side sticks are state of the art in modern Airbus, Gulfstream, Bombardier and Embraer jets. The 787 does not even have enough space for a modern business class seat like Qatar's QSuite.
American 🇺🇸 ✈️ vs. European 🇪🇺 ✈️
There are three types of people in this world.
People that love Boeing
People that love Airbus
And people that know the difference
Doesn't the 787 now compete with the a330neo in terms of capacity
Airbus A350 for me. Looks great, safe
Been on B787-9 but still waiting A350. A350-1000 will be on my flight to New York then I'll decide which I like
Ty
787 vs A350 - What's The Difference? The a350 is made by a company that makes quality aircraft and doesn't slam dunk deliveries out of the factory for profits over quality. The 787 NightMare Liner (aka ScreamLiner) is made by the company that threw the 737 Crash and Burn MAX out of the factory knowing it had major flaws. Enough said?
There is no difference. They are both great airplanes, and both excelled in sales, and airlines of many, are pleased with their "drive" to success with these two aircraft in the long-haul market.
I don't think a higher pressure cabin contributes to a 'smooth ride.' That's due to wing flex and better aerodynamics.
I have flown both types several times
I prefer the A350
As always, it depends totally on which airline you fly. An airline can take the very best plane and absolutely ruin it.
A350 all the way✌️👍✈️..... I have lost trust in Boeing......
Why have you lost trust in Boeing ?
@@nickolliver3021 because you're a Boeing fan, enough to put anyone off
@@ant2312 i am a boeing fan too and I'm happy with it😄
For me it has to be the 350 over the 787, just a preference to Airbus over Boeing,I did however like the BA 777 that took me to Boston some years ago, but the return trip on a Virgin 340-600 from DC was way more memorable and since then my preference to Airbus remains, would I ever fly on a 737Max ?the answer is a definite NO
Why?
@@coletrickle581 My personal choice.
FYI it would be good to show the plane you're talking about onscreen while you're talking about them. Not all viewers know the difference.
I flew on two A350's in the last couple of weeks and for the taller passenger they're not that good because of how low into the cabin the overhead bins are
So overall the other plane is better because it has a camera?
UNITED AIRLINE , AMERICAN AIRLINE , DELTA AIRLINES SHOULD ORDER A 350 -900 (300) , 787 - 9 (300) . LET BOTH AEROPLANES COMPETE FOR 20 YEARS .
If I’m correct since the 350 holds more fuel, it takes more money to operate it right!
787 has a flexible wings,and much fuel efficient,and fly smooth and less noice.
787 narrower and longer a350 is the airbus equivalent of the 777-200 NG basically
Boeing has delivered approximately 1041 787s to date.
Airbus has delivered approximately 530 A350s to date.
When the Boeing 777-8 and the 777-9 enter service, Boeing will have three aircraft, ( 787, 777-8 & 777-9 ) to compete with the A350-900 and A350-1000 which will give airlines a better choice with Boeing aircraft.
Begs the question- why is Air NZ trying to operate a substantially shorter ranged aircraft on the ultra long range Auckland- NYC route and finding they need to stop at Nadi🤣. This will burn way more fuel than actually flying non stop in an A350 which would make the distance
The HGW treatment on the 787 is expected push the range of the 787-9 beyond the a350-900's thou.
Air NZ have two more 787-9 on order, which could most likely come with the upgrade.
This should allow the 787-9 to operate Auckland -NYC comfortably at a lower fuel burn than the a350.
Not so funny now hey?
@@mmm0404 I'll believe it when I see it, Enock.
@@michaelosgood9876 yes, because it's so hard to believe that the range of an aircraft can be increased. It's impossible. Haha
@@mmm0404 especially one with a wingspan 15 ft shorter than it's opposition. The tankage area will be less, therefore. Just doesn't add up! Also, begs the question why 787 was short of fuel capacity to start with. Do they really have space for more fuel Enock or is this more Boeing BS. Fact is, the planes not doing what the airline requires it to do, NON STOP Akl - NYC. As a shareholder in Air NZ, I want this sorted
@@michaelosgood9876 you must realise that the requirements for Air NZ are unique more especially for an aircraft like the 787-9.
A significant majority of airlines are satisfied with the range of the 787-9 , and it's demand has been very high even with it's current performance, that's why Boeing never really saw the need for even longer range on the 787-9 until now.
Boeing engineers have been testing newer fuel tanks on the 787, so that won't be a problem.
Longer range, sometimes comes with a heavier airframe , which leads to a higher fuel burn. So finding a way of shaving off weight, while increasing the MTOW for more range is very important to maintaining performance.
Having smaller tanks, and a shorter wing may have a performance ( range ) penalty but guarantees a lighter airframe which lowers fuel burn and makes the 787 the most efficient widebody currently on the market.
With Boeing pushing for more range on the 787-10 to try and break the a350s dominance in the 300-400 seat segment, the same improvements will be incorporated on the 787-9.
Remember thou that these payload-range improvements on the 787-9 will only be appreciated by only a few airlines like ANZ.
Lastly the the 787 was always proposed as an ultra long range aircraft with 8000+nmi from the very beginning ( launch ) but when Boeing experience Overweight issues with their first production aircraft, they reduced their performance targets to manage that, one of them was keeping the wing shorter than initially proposed.
They have now managed to keep that in check and the range of the 787-9 can now be pushed beyond 8000nmi to match that of the a350-900, with an increase in the MTOW by at least 6T.
This week I flew Air China B787-9 and A350-900 back to back. First aircraft 5 years and secound 2+. User experience pretty much identical and not too good, this due to Air China with their interior and infotainment system and also chinese cleaning. Noise maybe 1db higher in the A350. Had seat 53J on both flight, that brings me closer to the engine on the A350
SIA’s A350s are the best way to fly.
I can not tell cause never travel none of these aircraft yet. Although I book flight it’s on 777 /300 and 777/200
For passenger comfort, A350 is much more comfortable then 787, roomier, quiet cabin, larger seat and space. 787 cabin is cramped, cold 🥶 and loud. For passenger comfort, A380 best, A350 second, 777 third. 787 might be a good airplane for carrier, but not as good for it’s passenger.
I didn't feel cramped in the 787. And wait until the A350 switches to a 10 abreast seat layout.
Don’t care which aircraft i’m on. i’m a happy camper as long as i’m not in coach.
One is built by an unsafe manufacturer more interested in profits, the other is Airbus
Airbus is an unsafe manufacture too which they are more interested in profits too. Dont go by previous events to prove something.
Yes!
don’t start pleaze 🙄
Totally agree. Let's also remember that Boeing went to a non-union state (South Carolina) from Washington in order to assemble for cheap.
@@nickolliver3021 triggered
The A350 and 787 are not competitors except the 787-10. The 787 competes with the A330neo and the A350 competes with the 777 and also will compete with the 777X.
nächste Woche werde ich das Bayern 1 Radioteam einladen. ALLE sind eingeladen, außer Ulla Müller.
Bissige und läufige Hündinnen müssen leider drausen bleiben !
A350 competes with the 777 the 787 competes with the a330
Dreamliner.
A350!
Boieng 787 iS THE MOST IN DEMAND LONG HAUL AIRPALNE
Dumb comparison as they don't compete against each other outside of a very thin slither of overlap. 777X competes against A350. A330 competes against 787. But may I say that I've flown on both and both are absolutely wonderful aircraft in their own right. Very comfortable.
Both A350 or B787 are ok but not C9x9
Boeing has become a follower rather than a leader. Airbus is more inventive, more ecological, more cost effective and will become the manufacturer of the future. Besides, the shareholder value mentality of Boeing will be disastrous, long term, for a once respected manufacturer.
That happened because of Boeing's merge with McDonnell Douglas. Boeing proper has always been about excellence in design and execution. I hope the MD culture is eventually expelled from Boeing.
How? The a350 was. Response to the 787. You are looking at the past few years which is such an insignificant period of time when talking about the aircraft manufacturer industry so I’m this case it was airbus following Boeing
@@matthewmortensen7414 Let's look ahead then: Boeing announced they're not starting any new aircraft development this decade. Deliveries of 787 are halted again, 777x introduction is an embarrassment. Airbus had its flop (but passengers favourite) with a380, but now is killing it across the board. I hope Boeing will get their act together. We all benefit from strong competition.
Idiotic take lol
@@matthewmortensen7414 another fun fact the 737max was the answer to the a320neo so uh cut with the bs
The biggest difference between the two is that thankfully the A350 isn't a Boeing!!!!
I prefer the A350
Both are good as long as they don't drop 🤪🤦🏻♂️
The best is the 747
A350. Boeing cares more about profits than safety and 787s have been grounded multiple times
Naturalmente Capi Leyton que el Boeing 787 Dreamliner no encaja perfectamente para comparar con el Airbus 350. El Boeing 787 Dreamliner fue creado 12 años antes que el Airbus 350. La compañía Boeing siempre va a la vanguardia en tecnología y ahorros en lo referente a sus productos de la misma manera tu no me
Puedes comparar el Airbus 350 con el Boeing 777
The 787 is the winner in my book due to its lower weight and a more traditional control interface.
Lower weight?? And traditional control interface? You mean old way of control.
I prefer flying on the A350, it feels bigger, very quiet, and the windows are just fine, Dreamliner windows aren't all that
What sets the two apart: the 787 is plagued by production defects and Boeing's corporate culture (The only issue for the A350 is related to paint, which has been resolved for all airlines readily except for QR whose CEO is using it disingenuously to escape his surplus orders of aircraft).
Tail camera? Everytime you start to get legit, you step on your appendage. Just flying farther is not more economical if only an issue on rare route segments. Do you see a route from CHS to AUK rather than through IAH? Duh. Your over attention to project Sunrise, really. How many flights are we talking about weekly? 5, 10? Let me know how your design of an aircraft for that many flights really matters in the real world. I think you just like saying project sunrise.
You compare apple to orange…….
I used to fly in air china balloons, but some anus shot me down... LOL
U sound very Australian
When did a350 go to oman😂
B777X>A350>B787>A330Neo. There you go.
wrong
A330Neo may not be successful but I like it better than the 787
@@ant2312 nah, it's true
Just how much did Boeing pay you?
Boeing sucks now! If it ain’t Boeing I’m not … going to die!