Court refuses to change sentence of Nottingham killer Valdo Calocane
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- The Court of Appeal has refused to change the sentence of Valdo Calocane, who killed three people in Nottingham last summer.
The 32-year-old was given an indefinite hospital order after admitting the manslaughter of Barnaby Webber, Grace O’Malley-Kumar and Ian Coates by reason of diminished responsibility, and the attempted murder of three others last June.
The Attorney General referred the sentence to the Court of Appeal in February, with lawyers arguing last week that Calocane - who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia - should be given a “hybrid” order where he would be treated before serving the remainder of the sentence in custody.
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Playing the mental health card gets you out of terrorism day long
The Judge should be forced to live next door to this creature when he is released.
For what is worth he wont be released!!!
Should be forced to live next to him in prison...
He might never be released, indefinite sentence, he can be kept permanently
Hopefully, he will never be released. And I say this as someone with a mental illness with psychotic episodes. We need to take our medication and be treated with intensive psychotherapy when we are heading toward crisis and closely monitored...Not left to our own devices as we often are! I work hard on my mental health but I have personality disorder and trauma so it's a little easier for me than a schizophrenic. Our treatment is the same medication and psychotherapy to avoid triggering a psychotic episode that can result in harm to others and ourselves.
Probably ipp.
This is disgraceful. British courts have lost their goddamn minds.....🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻
All run by looney left wings.
They know exactly what they are doing and so does the media.
Ridiculous no way on earth he didn't know what he was doing, he must remain behind the bars for rest of his life.
Yes you are correct about the fact that he should never be released for public safety, but you are not correct by just assuming that this killer may or may not haver known what he was doing.
Disgrace.
British justice is an international joke. Capital punishment made a real incentive not to do this kind of nonsense.
Capital punishment hadn't helped America, it's crime rate is much higher. Plus miscarriages of justice still exist and can't be reversed if a person is killed
No it didn't. Also we have a very low murder rate.
Alson this would apply. Mental Condition.
Is there any link between the Appeal judge and the George S0r0s foundation?
You get what you ask for lads, keep staying indoors on yourube and moan about the real problems you have out there, keep it up, in 50 years from now uk will be a trash can, you will look back to this time and ask yourself why we didn’t do anything when we could ?!?!?!? …… but yeah, enjoy
Diversity is our strength 💪🏽
Fuck diversity
yes because even the asian girl who was killed by him was able to survive cause she was so strong....oh wait.
Its killing our country from within
Sickening and frightening.
Surely, he can never walk the streets again though? Public safety? Three dead, three injured.
Never is a very long time.
Unfortunately they do
Don't be too sure!!
Woke fools!!
@@OperationFoxley19441So is being dead.
It's an indefinite order so he might never be released. Indefinite orders are reviewed periodically to see if the patient still poses a risk.
Time will tell.
England has no justice.
please, you people get away with crimes all the time
Who cares if he was mental...the outcome for the victims was still the same!
The law cares...unfortunately... it costs more to put a crazy person in prison than it does to keep a crazy person in a secure mental unit.
FFS being insane has been a defence for centuries. If you're insane by definition you aren't responsible for your actions. Hence the verdict and sentence
Failure all round…. Isn’t that just the British justice system in a nutshell!
His solicitor should be named and shamed for wasting public money.
You get allocated at random a public lawyer..... if you choose your lawyer it means that you paid for them yourself. Even one is entitled to legal representation in criminal cases....even if they are guilty.
He did not pay for the lawyer himself, legal aid paid for the lawyer, that means the tax payer paid for the lawyer, so the lawyer agreed to take our money to ask to have the sentence made more lenient which everyone including himself new had no chance of succeeding. That to me is taking money under false pretences, and should be stopped.
@@ks-eq3yx That's not how the law works. if he requests legal aid he is randomly allocated a lawyer.... Which law firm/legal advisory service did you work/volunteer for? I worked for Eversheds and Citizens Advice. With legal aid, you don't get to pick your lawyer or your client. It's the lawyers' job to do whatever the client wants even if it might be considered a waste of public funds. It's their legal right to have their case heard especially in criminal law and mental health law. A lawyer's job is not to decide where public funds should be spent. Their job is to represent their client regardless of cost. Take it up with your MP if you don't like legal aid spent on criminals and the criminally accused.
Yes regardless to the cost to me the tax payer, stop prevaricating and get to the point of my question. Don't try to hide behind your professional status, people don't fall for that trick anymore.
WOW WOW WOW British justice sucks.
No it works the fact you don't understand is irrelevant
No other doesn’t, such an ignorant comment.
Diminished responsibility my ARSE!
Anyone with any common sense would know this would be the outcome.
We are lacking a lot of common sense these days..
@@SubjectiveFunnywe???? It’s not that are
Unfortunately, there is a lot of buck-passing when it comes to mental health. I have multiple mental health conditions and I go around in circles trying to get help to make sure I do not have a psychotic episode. I still have some cognition...although it's dwindling currently but it's all down to me....I'm not monitored closely. I've even called the police on myself last year and they didn't want to do anything so I put myself and everyone else at risk to try to get somewhere safe....not everyone in an episode can do this.
@@marleyhill34 well I would quite happily sit and have a pint with you and have a good chat. Be strong
@@marleyhill34me too
This law system needs to be changed or reformed. Against its own people here in the UK. Something needs to change.
Oh so NNNOOOWW it needs to be changed... you lot didn't care when Stephen Lawrence got killed by those football hooligans though
They need to reform the mental health system because the police and the NHS take very little notice of us crazies on the street..until someone dies. Most of us are left to our own devices in the community.
Black on black crime racist attacks the hailnut stabbing but now it needs to be reformed😂@@kenwkls6392
What you on about its been a joke for years. Not just now mate..... and apparently brexit was suppose to help done sweet fa. Trust me I got family who been in the police years and the amount of work that goes in but when it comes to going to court it's in such a sham that they are normally against the people.
@@marleyhill34now that is very true. Its actually very sad.
How can someone be guilty of manslaughter due to diminished responsibility but then for crimes he committed literally a few minutes later be found guilty of attempted murder? That clearly implies if the people he had attempted to deliberately run over had died he’d have been guilty of their murder. Yet the people he actually did kill it is manslaughter. That makes no sense whatsoever.
It's because there is no attempted manslaughter charge and no charge of murder with diminished responsibility. It's semantic. In America it would have been 2nd or 3rd degree murder. in the UK we don't have murder by degrees.
What a total joke. He went prepared! Screw life, it's short walk off a long pier! Let's hope these idiots at the top don't have to go through what these families did. Totally disgraceful decision!
As well as our politicians our judiciary are not fit for purpose anf should be sacked.
This government needs to have a serious look at the justice system, it STINKS
No Justice at All!! Absolutely Disgusting!
So sad..no way he didn't know what he was doing. To much planned. Our justice system is a joke. So sorry for all the families they must be so angry with both Nottinghamshire and Leicestershire Police.
People with mental health issues have a form of conscious, however that doesn't mean they don't fully understand consequences neither does it mean they fully knew what they were doing as it can be lead by a train of different thought unfortunately.
@@rossblack2324well doesn’t that go to show how that monster should be locked up for three life sentences and never allowed near the streets again.
@@victoriacharlesworth7099 No, he should pay you a visit instead, then we could see how hard you really are with all that talk.
@@victoriacharlesworth7099 It goes to show the difference of either going into an institution or prison.
He's the wrong colour to be sent to a REAL prison for a lifetime, ya' see folks ..........
Diabolical
I'm sorry for the families. Failed by the Police and Justice.
New low even for this piss poor country, I feel so bad for the victims families 😢
Sue the two incompetent police forces.
and the NHS trust. He should have been monitored by a psychiatric nurse in the community or he should have been sectioned into a secure psych ward.
@@marleyhill34yes but who's cut back on all mental health care. Oh I know this bunch of arseholes
Hand puppets told what to do.
Parliament sets the law, the judiciary merely interprets it. Change the law!
Black privilege
Shocking and so very sad for the families and friends.
The man was very clearly paranoid schizophrenic, he had been placed in secure hospitals on numerous occasions and let out while unwell. Nottinghamshire community outreach team failed here, this man shouldn’t have been on the streets at the time. Blame the system more than anything else
thankyou, someone speaking some sense. People here don't realize this person was clearly delusional and had a documented history.
@@dom2428 And that means ?
I have mental illnesses. He should have been regularly seen by the community psychiatric nurse and if he missed two appointments, he should have been sectioned to a secure psych ward. It's really important to take your meds, practice your therapy skills, check in with your team and follow a relapse prevention plan. Otherwise, everyone is at risk.
The 'system' is made up and run by people. It's not some nebulous force of nature. Yes, some people failed (and of course won't face any consequences for their fatal mistakes, because this is the UK), but just because he's classed as insane doesn't mean that he didn't know what he was doing when he did it. And whether or not he did know, he should NEVER be let out again, and instead he should spend the rest of his life in either an asylum or a prison, for the public's safety, but we all know that he will be let out again, because this is the UK, and money and "Our prisons are too full" and political correctness are far more important considerations to the British legal system than unimportant things like the safety of the public.
@@marleyhill34 that’s all so true brother but unfortunately community outreach is a joke, I’m really glad that your mental state is stable enough to be able to understand how important medication is!! This particular gentleman was clearly in need of being put on higher meds or a depot as he clearly struggles with taking his meds, shame it’s taken him to kill 3 people for him to get the help he so clearly needs
The killer had been in and out of mental hospital a few times the question never been asked is who got him out? Was it some liberal lawyer? There was a warrant out for his arrest so he could be detained again but the police didn't bother. Was it because they knew they'd only let him out again in a few months time?
Car mechanics. electricians, builders, etc are held responsible for things if someone dies because of their mistakes (the builders who do the physical building, I mean, not the multi-millionaires who owns the building companies). Lawyers, judges, the people who make the rules, or the people who choose which rules for the subordinates to follow, they never have to answer for their mistakes. Basically, if you earn a lot of money, or are well connected then you don't have to answer for your mistakes in the UK, but if you get paid very little, then the law can and mostly will target you.
It's just one of the many, many things that are wrong in the UK. And since no one with the power to change it wants to change it (because the people with the power to change it are themselves rich and well connected and so they benefit from the corruption and gross unfairness of this situation) , then nothing will change.
@@ConkerTS I don't think it's ever been different. On the most basic level if I commit a minor traffic offence I have to take whatever is handed down. Some one rich enough can find a lawyer to read through the small print and get them off on a technicality. I read the going rate for this is £30,000.
I was thinking of a mental health professional who left after being seriously attacked by a patient. The attackers family engaged at top lawyer to get him released. But for a consultant on the panel he would have been released.
What I'm getting at in this case is that on at least two previous occasions somebody went before a review panel and argued the case and got him out. I don't think they'd be anyone too high up but I'd just like to know who they were.
SO HE RECIEVES BENEFITS WHILST HE'S IN THERE AND IF DOCTORS CONSIDER HIM HEALED HE COULD BE WALKING STREETS IN BOUT 10 YEARS TIME!!! THIS IS WHAT WE WERE NOT TOLD
The colour of his skin saved him, the judge afraid to change sentence, the race card was ready to come out of the pack again disgraceful
Sentence tbe judge too
This court COULD have changed the sentence.
Eltiona Skana, was charged with manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility on 7 year old Emily jones in december 2020, and she got life with a minimum 8 years AFTER been treated at Rampton high security hospital.
It's easier for Ms Skana to get out on "life with a minimum of 8 years" by the parole/probation board than it is for this guy to get out on "an indefinite hospital order" by the Secretary of State for Justice or a mental health Tribunal. Secretary of state usually do not let people out because it's a political hot potato. they can transfer Ms Skana to an open prison but this guy will never leave unescorted unless the Secretary of State or Mental health tribunal agree.
Sorry but this killer x 3 has lost the right to to live amongst us and once again let down by the judiciary who have allowed him the chance to kill again.
These judges have got to be stopped, three people are dead for gods sake , these judges are disgusting disgraceful people
A Hospital order? Great, so he’ll be placed in an NHS secure facility. (100% nicer than prison btw) and he’ll be able to claim benefits while in there and still have his freedom. Amazing, thanks justice system. Really working well for the British people.
Another neuro-scientist off the street.
Jail the Judge for Contempt
He will be walking round a town near you in less tha 10 years from now.
With his carer of course.
Disgusting.
If he was that sick, why was he ever given the right to live in the UK, i can hear him and hundreds of other migrants and lawyers laughing all day! We are so pathetic.
BENT JUSTICE SYSTEM SAME AS PAROLE BOARD !!
Truly tragic.
The court follows guidelines. The result is rarely what we want but this horrible man will never be released. In my experience people like this don't live long.
He was let out the first time he will be let out again
The judge is a coward.
Imagine one of the victims was someone in that court wonder if there have same view!!! The uk is finished and will never be fixed
Mental health especially no one should be allowed out. More people play that card than the race card these day's.
This is a fluffin' joke! In other parts of the world he would already have been executed. I can't imagine how the families of his victims must feel. I'm so sorry.
BLDM
Beggars belief.
Looks like the Judges have had people knock on there door otherwise why would they do this?
Liar and stupid. The judges just apply the law. Don't like it piss off
diminished responsibility for being muslim. all too common in these corrupt courts
He actually comes from a Christian family and apparently a regular church goer...
Love the way everyone in the comments is suddenly a mental health expert /s
Sick of leftist judges
Obviously she wasn't on the blob.
And they still come every day helped by them in Government