Finally Ford is listening! Its like they put my picture on the wall and said "lets build a ute that he needs" I'm excited so I hope they don't fuck it up.
It’s interesting because the ranger has so much potential with some engineering tweaks. You actually nailed what they will do. Some chassis engineering, tougher suspension and some tuning to the engine will make it an even stronger Ute. You also hit it on the head, Ford are ramping it up and will be a game changer.
The 6.7 PS weighs 420kg dry with no transmission or transfer case. Add another 155kg for the transmission. Then there is the length of the combined engine/transmission. There is no way of fitting the 6.7 PS in a mid-size. Plus, the 250/2500 series trucks with the diesels have always been prone to payload issues. That is why both Ford and GM cheat by having their 250/2500s have GVMs in the class 3 range. The 2500s are supposed to have a GVM between 8,501 and 10,000 lbs, Ford pushed the diesel F250 all the way to 11,400 lbs for 2024.
This is bloody exciting news. Always thought there was a gap in the market for just this type of vehicle. Hope it’s affordable and not priced like an American ute.
If it's a dual cab it'll have to be an extended chassis compared to current wheelbase, more likely it'll be an upgraded Space Cab variant with the V6 Diesel and upgraded powertrain cooling with load carrying ability for rear axle.
More important than releasing a Superduty, is for Ford Australia to explain why TAF, we don't get the performance software update like the yanks. That's the real question Ty
I hope they do! Always wanted a yank tank but also hard to daily one I wonder if the American market version will get the bigger petrol v6 that’s in the f150 Also wonder if 2026 will be a refresh for normal ranger line up and maybe a ranger raptor R Just considering how many ranger raptors and ram trx and American pickups are getting around now I can’t see how a v8 limited edition wouldn’t sell like hot cakes
It all sounds very interesting and great that ford are trying to play outside the box that everyone else is doing ............... but with a beefed up components ( chassis wheels tyres and everything else that goes with a 4500 gvm) its going to add extra weight to the car itself. The thing I dont understand is how it can mathematically tow 4500? I mean the ball weight would assumedly need to be somewhere near 400-450 kilo. I dont understand why they limit say 4500 gvm and 4500 tow but limit gcm to 8000? To tow 4500 the car would need to be pretty close to stock and empty? What are your thoughts on this Ty
It will all depend on weights and how much you’re towing. If Ranger is 4000kg and trailer is 4000kg you’re sweet but it all depends on trailer configuration etc. If you’re at 4500kg on vehicle including tow ball then trailer would need to weight 3500kg. Again you’d be playing with numbers constantly.
@ I agree, so why not strive to make the gcm 9000 so you could get closer to legally towing 4500, now that would be outside the box and ford would be more then just the legends they are, they would be immortal…. Just saying
@@RobbMinion You can't have a 4,500kg tow rating and a 4,500kg tow vehicle GVM and a GCM of 9,000kg. The numbers don't work. A 4,500kg trailer transfers at least 450kg to the tow vehicle. So the most that the tow vehicle can weight without the trailer is 4,050kg in order to not be over GVM when the trailer is connected. So the maximum theoretical GCM for a tow vehicle with a 4.5t GVM and a 4.5t tow rating is 8,550kg. Many factors can drop the GCM from there.
Not all of us want dualcabs i hope they make a single or xtra cab in the super duty variant as most service vehicles etc need big tray space and hopefully cab chassis option no sense paying for a tub that's going to be removed from new to fit trays or service bodies
Spy pics show IFS with cast aluminium lower (upper too no doubt) arms. They're probably a Raptor part which means wide track too. Room for a much bigger and stronger shock
@TyFenwick I guess we'll see what ford think 😂. The other likely option is the old citroen / peugeot / landrover v6 of questionable reliability. Yes, they claim to have 'fixed' the issues like snapping cranks, but every vehicle its been in have had similar claims with similar outcomes!
It’ll get the same 3.0L TV6 Powerstroke the Rangers and Everests have now. That engine has 600Nm. The 5.7L V8 in the Ram 1500 has 556Nm, and the 6.2L V8 in the Silverado 1500 has 624Nm, and they both pull 4,500kg. Sure it’d be nice to get a twin turbo Powerstroke with 225kW/700Nm, or the North American Ford Performance tuned 3.0L EcoBoost with 339kW/727Nm, but there’s absolutely, 100%, zero chance this will be a V8. This isn’t supposed to be Australia’s F250/F350; it’s supposed to be a Ranger sized F150; that’s the “Super Duty” bit about it. Ram has binned the V8 and gone to a 3.0L V6 engine for the next 1500. Toyota use a 3.4L V6. Ford use a 3.5L V6. This undertaking is one of two things: Either it will show once and for all that a RHD produced F150 would sell like hot cakes if priced correctly rather than being built twice, so Ford might actually build the next F150 in RHD. Or It will kill off the F150 conversion program in the long run, and they might introduce the 3.0L Ecoboost to the Super Duty as an option to compete with the other petrol “full-size” trucks. Ideally that would be what I’d want; the ability to choose between the 3.0L Powerstroke or 3.0L Ecoboost in the Super Duty. There is no chance this will be a V8 though. Absolutely zero chance.
Interesting idea, but given this is geared towards a relatively small market, the cost will be ridiculous UNLESS there are readily available 3rd party bolt on parts that won't require any additional R&D for the Ranger. The beefed up chassis alone is a considerable investment, for a single vehicle, when the trend has been to develop one, for several vehicles across a brand's range.
Small market? This is a MASSIVE market... tens of thousands of fleet utes around the country getting GVM upgrades every year. SSM upgrades are nothing on factory built stuff. Fleets will fall over themselves for this... I know we'll be looking at 50+ over a few years
@dwaynE2099 Small, in comparison to their worldwide fleet. Much like Toyota '79 series was only sold in Australia and parts of the Middle East. That's partially what drove up the prices on them.
@TyFenwick cite your sources. Namely, the Ranger, as sold in Aus, isn't available in North America, it's largest market, with the diesel engine. I don't believe it's available in European markets (2nd largest) for the same reason - emissions. Moreover, that diesel engine is what will MAKE the Ranger work as a Superduty.
@@lloydhenriksson Nope. The tow rating is the gross weight of the trailer including the weight transferred to the tow vehicle. That weight eats tow vehicle payload and is included in the tow vehicle GCM, but is not dropped from the trailer weight.
I don’t know of any v8 turbo diesel for gas that would fit. 6.7 has no chance of getting in there. A V8 petrol is unless in heavy industry where 99.9% of everything runs on Diesel.
I’m so keen to see this all play out!
Me to mate !!!
Finally Ford is listening! Its like they put my picture on the wall and said "lets build a ute that he needs" I'm excited so I hope they don't fuck it up.
I think it’s going to be a winner ! 🏆
It’s interesting because the ranger has so much potential with some engineering tweaks. You actually nailed what they will do. Some chassis engineering, tougher suspension and some tuning to the engine will make it an even stronger Ute. You also hit it on the head, Ford are ramping it up and will be a game changer.
Absolutely mate, no manufacturer has thought to do this ! I can’t wait to drive one of these with her fully loaded 👍🏼
@@TyFenwick can’t wait for the release and the video you make. I’ve been keen on getting a Ranger, I think I’ll wait a little while now. 😂
I reckon they will use the 3.5 ecoboost engine..maybe powered up a little..will basically be a compact version of f150 on leave springs..
6.7 powerstroke in a ranger… i think YES
Yep I'm with you and the other engine choice the big 7.3 pushrod v8 petrol.
😂😂😂 yeh right…..
3.0 diesel
6.7 in a Ranger ohhh gezzz it would bend the frame 🤣
The 6.7 PS weighs 420kg dry with no transmission or transfer case. Add another 155kg for the transmission. Then there is the length of the combined engine/transmission. There is no way of fitting the 6.7 PS in a mid-size. Plus, the 250/2500 series trucks with the diesels have always been prone to payload issues. That is why both Ford and GM cheat by having their 250/2500s have GVMs in the class 3 range. The 2500s are supposed to have a GVM between 8,501 and 10,000 lbs, Ford pushed the diesel F250 all the way to 11,400 lbs for 2024.
This is bloody exciting news. Always thought there was a gap in the market for just this type of vehicle. Hope it’s affordable and not priced like an American ute.
If it's a dual cab it'll have to be an extended chassis compared to current wheelbase, more likely it'll be an upgraded Space Cab variant with the V6 Diesel and upgraded powertrain cooling with load carrying ability for rear axle.
I’m excited to see what they come up with !
it comes in cab chassis single and double and comes with a tub also. Vehicle was awesome.
More important than releasing a Superduty, is for Ford Australia to explain why TAF, we don't get the performance software update like the yanks. That's the real question Ty
Yeah Il ask that question 🙋🏻♂️
@@TyFenwick What was the reply?
What a beast.
Should be a good thing Gidgee 👍🏼
That would be supper sick let’s hope that go ahead
I’m keen to drive this thing !!!
So there going to be dualcab are they? Thats a shame, thought it might be a work truck. Not a family wagon.
I hope they do!
Always wanted a yank tank but also hard to daily one
I wonder if the American market version will get the bigger petrol v6 that’s in the f150
Also wonder if 2026 will be a refresh for normal ranger line up and maybe a ranger raptor R
Just considering how many ranger raptors and ram trx and American pickups are getting around now I can’t see how a v8 limited edition wouldn’t sell like hot cakes
It all sounds very interesting and great that ford are trying to play outside the box that everyone else is doing ............... but with a beefed up components ( chassis wheels tyres and everything else that goes with a 4500 gvm) its going to add extra weight to the car itself. The thing I dont understand is how it can mathematically tow 4500? I mean the ball weight would assumedly need to be somewhere near 400-450 kilo. I dont understand why they limit say 4500 gvm and 4500 tow but limit gcm to 8000? To tow 4500 the car would need to be pretty close to stock and empty? What are your thoughts on this Ty
It will all depend on weights and how much you’re towing. If Ranger is 4000kg and trailer is 4000kg you’re sweet but it all depends on trailer configuration etc. If you’re at 4500kg on vehicle including tow ball then trailer would need to weight 3500kg. Again you’d be playing with numbers constantly.
@ I agree, so why not strive to make the gcm 9000 so you could get closer to legally towing 4500, now that would be outside the box and ford would be more then just the legends they are, they would be immortal…. Just saying
Does the car licence limit of below 4500kg GVM, have something to do with it?
@@RobbMinion You can't have a 4,500kg tow rating and a 4,500kg tow vehicle GVM and a GCM of 9,000kg. The numbers don't work.
A 4,500kg trailer transfers at least 450kg to the tow vehicle. So the most that the tow vehicle can weight without the trailer is 4,050kg in order to not be over GVM when the trailer is connected. So the maximum theoretical GCM for a tow vehicle with a 4.5t GVM and a 4.5t tow rating is 8,550kg. Many factors can drop the GCM from there.
Not all of us want dualcabs i hope they make a single or xtra cab in the super duty variant as most service vehicles etc need big tray space and hopefully cab chassis option no sense paying for a tub that's going to be removed from new to fit trays or service bodies
Space cab would be a beast !!!
You will have to have a Light Truck license to drive because of the weights involved eg full payload with full tow rate.
No incorrect, car license. 8000kg GCM
I think it will most probably have a solid front axel suspension setup like a land Cruiser
I do not think they will go back to a toy 100 series system I bet it will copy the F series
Spy pics show IFS with cast aluminium lower (upper too no doubt) arms. They're probably a Raptor part which means wide track too. Room for a much bigger and stronger shock
I think it will be very much like Raptor with heavy coils
I think it will be very much like Raptor with heavy coils
It needs solid front diff
Would be nice but don’t think it will happen unfortunately
One godzilla 10r80 combo please
The 7.3 gets the 10R140 in the real Super Duty.
Good luck with that lemon.
What Ford hurt you ? 🤣
Bet they put the 2.0L in it if its aimed at fleets.
Yay.
Na 2.0 wont tow 4500kg
@TyFenwick I guess we'll see what ford think 😂.
The other likely option is the old citroen / peugeot / landrover v6 of questionable reliability.
Yes, they claim to have 'fixed' the issues like snapping cranks, but every vehicle its been in have had similar claims with similar outcomes!
It will need at the least a 3500cc turbo diesel V6
I can’t wait to see what they do ! But yes she’s going to need some power 🔥
It’ll get the same 3.0L TV6 Powerstroke the Rangers and Everests have now. That engine has 600Nm. The 5.7L V8 in the Ram 1500 has 556Nm, and the 6.2L V8 in the Silverado 1500 has 624Nm, and they both pull 4,500kg.
Sure it’d be nice to get a twin turbo Powerstroke with 225kW/700Nm, or the North American Ford Performance tuned 3.0L EcoBoost with 339kW/727Nm, but there’s absolutely, 100%, zero chance this will be a V8.
This isn’t supposed to be Australia’s F250/F350; it’s supposed to be a Ranger sized F150; that’s the “Super Duty” bit about it.
Ram has binned the V8 and gone to a 3.0L V6 engine for the next 1500. Toyota use a 3.4L V6. Ford use a 3.5L V6.
This undertaking is one of two things:
Either it will show once and for all that a RHD produced F150 would sell like hot cakes if priced correctly rather than being built twice, so Ford might actually build the next F150 in RHD. Or
It will kill off the F150 conversion program in the long run, and they might introduce the 3.0L Ecoboost to the Super Duty as an option to compete with the other petrol “full-size” trucks.
Ideally that would be what I’d want; the ability to choose between the 3.0L Powerstroke or 3.0L Ecoboost in the Super Duty.
There is no chance this will be a V8 though. Absolutely zero chance.
Interesting idea, but given this is geared towards a relatively small market, the cost will be ridiculous UNLESS there are readily available 3rd party bolt on parts that won't require any additional R&D for the Ranger. The beefed up chassis alone is a considerable investment, for a single vehicle, when the trend has been to develop one, for several vehicles across a brand's range.
Small market? This is a MASSIVE market... tens of thousands of fleet utes around the country getting GVM upgrades every year. SSM upgrades are nothing on factory built stuff.
Fleets will fall over themselves for this... I know we'll be looking at 50+ over a few years
@dwaynE2099 Small, in comparison to their worldwide fleet. Much like Toyota '79 series was only sold in Australia and parts of the Middle East. That's partially what drove up the prices on them.
This will be a global product I’ve been told just not North America. Huge market!!!
@TyFenwick cite your sources.
Namely, the Ranger, as sold in Aus, isn't available in North America, it's largest market, with the diesel engine. I don't believe it's available in European markets (2nd largest) for the same reason - emissions.
Moreover, that diesel engine is what will MAKE the Ranger work as a Superduty.
Ford make the best looking drivable Ute ( I have a next gen raptor) but fuck me they aren’t reliable already had a new transmission on warranty
My F250 Superduty and Raptor both going strong. F250 has been all around Australia hasn’t missed a beat !
They should make them the size of a tacoma its like the perfect size and chuck a v8 in it would be nice.
But of course they won't do that..... makes too much sense
I can confirm it will have the v6 turbo diesel. If your hoping for anything more forget it.
Ford does surprises us sometimes
Biggest buyers be grey nomads with big super accounts.
Yeah I think a lot will buy this to tow the big ass van !
Nope, aimed at fleets. Don't get too excited.
$120.000+ most likely, Ford is not a car for normal people anymore
Houses used to be cheap to its all relative
Saw one today on the road
They'll release the pricing on April 1st because it'll be a f***ing joke.
The numbers don't add up 4.5t gvm 4.5t towing gcm 8t missing 1t
You have to pull numbers from either direction. GCM can’t be 9T because you have tow ball download.
@@TyFenwickyeh that’s not how it works. The 2 numbers get added for GCM.
@@lloydhenriksson Nope. The tow rating is the gross weight of the trailer including the weight transferred to the tow vehicle. That weight eats tow vehicle payload and is included in the tow vehicle GCM, but is not dropped from the trailer weight.
Better not be a 4 door.
Makes no sense, just get a F250. If your gonna haul anything heavy you need to have a heavy truck to control what your towing…
Needs A V8 !!!!! OR Waste of Time ...
I don’t know of any v8 turbo diesel for gas that would fit. 6.7 has no chance of getting in there. A V8 petrol is unless in heavy industry where 99.9% of everything runs on Diesel.
No
V8 petrol.
I’d rather diesel torque plus diesel is always the first fuel in heavy industry.