Some Chinese source says that these subs were contracted to use Germany MTU396 engines. however Gemany refused to sell the engine to China after the pandemic, and Thailand wasn't satisfied with Chinese engine. Thus the deal was cancelled.
Thats the same story I heard, the Chinese were trying to get them to take Chinese clones of the MTU engines but the Thais were demanding the original German engines be provided. Apparently relates to a contract MTU made with China before Tiananmen Square where they agreed to supply a specific number of marine engines but since then they have refused to extend the deal due to sanctions and China has now used up the contracted number of engines MTU was to supply. The engines were also supposed to be for civilian application but China stuck them in its subs and destroyers making them dual-use technology and so subject to military sanctions. The engine dispute isnt new, been running for a couple of years, also some reports the Chinese clone wasnt very reliable and there had been a number of failures of them in the Chinese navy.
Quality comments here! Would add that the requirement for MTU engine was specified in the contract so no one is willing to sign the acceptance that obviously breaches the contract. I think the contract also specified that the boat needed to be installed with MTU396 or comparable engine that had been certified and USED in submarine. The thing is, even PLAN boats were all installed with MTUs. The Chinese clone has never been put on any sub before.
@@watcherzero5256 China was licensed to build MTU 369 engines for their own submarines, but they are not authorized to export to third party. So what China offer is another engine: CHD620, a variant of licensed built Deutz-Mannheim TBD620V12, which has never used on submarine and definitely required significant engineering changes.
@@tanapontux6242 I assumed the contract did not defined what to do if the MTU396 engines are not available, since they did not foresee this possibility when the contract was signed in 2017.
@@picardtsengit's not because they are not authorized to export the licensed engine (MTU16V396SE84), but because the contract says MTU396. Which means must be MTU396 made in Germany as per contract, not any engine made in China (even though China bought the license). As simple as that.
Hey, I'm a big fan from Thailand. The royal Thai navy wants about 8 new frigates, some submarines and a covette (to replace the one that sunk in a storm). We want China to build 3 Yuan class(S26T) with a German MTU396 engine for us and then we will modify them to use western weapons. The thing is, China has already taken our money and also finished building the hull, but then they suddenly come to tell us that Germany sanctioned them to buy the MTU engine for the military, then offered us a Chinese-built MTU engine, which we refused and we wanted our money back because they failed the contract but we got denied. So now the royal Thai navy is trying to force them to switch that submarine we don't want to a frigate to fill 8 frigates we want.
Also, at first the navy wanted those 8 frigates to be European or Korean or American ships or maybe order a hull from the Chinese and then put the western equipment in it as plan B. Now it seems now we are gonna get a Chinese frigate that was not in the plan, so now politicians are piss and want to cancel the submarine program.
Actually the alternative China offered is not Chinese-built MTU, they are not licensed to exported to third party. What China offered is CHD620, a variant of licensed built Deutz-Mannheim TBD620V12. That is a unproven solution and required significant engineering changes on the current S26T designs. Pakistan , who also has major licensed built Type 039A submarine project underway , should has accepted the engine change since there is no other option and their submarine is high priority
Any chance of doing a video on the Chinese navy using active sonar on those Australian navy divers? It happened about a week ago when HMAS Toowoomba got some fishing nets tangled around its screws in Japanese waters. Some clearance divers were in the middle of cutting the nets off when a Chinese warship approached. The Australian ship continually broadcasted to surrounding shipping that they had divers in the water and to refrain from sonar usage, but the Chinese kept pinging away. Two sailors got "minor injuries" (whatever that means). Thought you might be interested.
I really hope the ULSV don't get too big or expensive. I have two primary concerns about them 1. Them getting captured as they lack a crew to fight off boarders. 2. The lack of damage control. Without a crew you can't have miracles like the Samuel B. Roberts. Even a small fire if automatic fire suppression fails can lead to a total failure on a vehicles packed with rocket motors due to the VLS and rolling frame systems.
So very true, including proximity control system errors or the possibility of mid system interception or mitigation by hostile forces. A man on the middle attack scenario. Including the possibility of weapons being used AGAINST the fleet in question. Also the strain to Logistical support for fuel and ships maintenence and the possibility of uncorrected developments in the weapons chain of operations.
The second major problem is hacking. Anything that is online/remote control can, in theory, be hacked. Don't want one of these things suddenly deciding to ram a carrier...
If the PLA speedboats came in all directions and fired at a ULSV, they could probably disable the ULSV and tow them back to port and pick them apart for tech and intelligence bonanza.
only way i seee ithem using it, is for local search and rescue,rather than power projection.well kinda since it can be used for soft-power politics within there region. submarins i ask myself wtf does anyone neeed one, since theree only used to smuggle,gather intel, or war. nothing civilian, dep sea exploration dont count as civilian...institutions have the money. so does thin meean theere to be watched and not trusteed?
I would not be surprised if they turn out to be AULSV. The A being for Almost. It's hard to imagine a vessel of that size having no humans on board, even if it's usually only half a dozen to stand watches and manually intervene if required.
At 8:32, the person in green hunched over during the F18 shot, is a member of V2 Division Catapult crew running the gear inside that open hatch there. Dude in yellow is the Shooter (officer), yellow dude in foreground is an aircraft director, acting as safety observer during the aircraft run up and launch sequence.
Not too sure about how much its been covered in the states, but some Aus Divers were injured this week by PLAN sonar. Would love to see your take on it
Great channel Aaron - maturity & knowledge I think is your hallmark. And clearly keep calling things out when you believe that things are not happening or just plain wrong !!!
Great job on your videos. You keep it real, you are pleasant, and knowledgeable. I especially like you give credit to the photographers which I really like even if its US Navy or USNI. Keep up the good work.
_Hyuga_ is the lead ship of her class, and it means "sunny place". The name is quite old, probably dates back to when Japan became known as "The Land of the Rising Sun", so it has significance. It is among a bunch of other ships in the JMSDF that are named after Imperial Japanese battleships/battlecruisers, so that's fun...
The waters around Thailand are very shallow, commonly at around 50 meters and the Chinese Sub is quite large for a diesel sub with twice the displacement of a German 212A or Swedish Gotland class. It probably should not have been ordered in the first place. The delay had to do with the engine, was supposed to be a German engine but they were not allowed to sell it if was installed in a Chinese Sub and the Thai did not wan't a Chinese Engine replacement. To make things even more Ironic the Original "German Engine" as it turns out was to be licensed built in China anyway.
I too share your love for the Arleigh Burke's Aaron! The first of the new Flight IIIs is almost ready, with the new SPY-6 radar and many more upgrades and its going to carry us just fine until whatever DDG(X) turns into lol
I'm from Plymouth and currently located there, but as we have a baby on the way soon we're looking to Plymouth. It is GOOD to see some growth here in the city though. I do wonder if it will actually help the ward of Devonport - it's rather poor.
The Navy didn’t want to use Chinese’s submarine in the first place, most sailors also suspicious that this sub relate to the retired high rank officers’s corruption or something like that.😅
@@Singular121 Why? Because that Nine Dash Line is real damn close to Thailand. It would be like the Swedes or the Danes using Russian made ships. Thailand is far more likely to go to war against the Chinese than the Germans or the British. Who knows what kind of stuff is incorporated in those boats that the Chinese could activate if they wanted to. It's just the sort of stupid sh!t that some dumbass politician would pull for some Chinese bribe.
@@addypc7996 You're wrong. It's the majority vote from navy's subcommittee in favour for the Chinese sub compared to German. The offer which included terms and conditions were irresistible to pass. It's just unfortunate that the engine from Germany couldn't be acquired due to US pressure.
@@Singular121 That voters were on the same side with former vice PM which is pro-China and I also think they’re the same persons with retired officers I said before. No one have any proof so they just suspicious that why longtime western ship user Navy buy Chinese vessel immediately after military government take control. Well, the result is still the same with what you just said.
The trans-pacific voyage of those unmanned vehicles is pretty astounding, especially Ranger and her sister ship who were originally offshore replenishment vessels for the gulf of Mexico (Iirc anyway and that's not exactly the same as the Pacific.) goes to show their superb construction! Navalnews had a pretty good interview with Commander Daley who commands Division One and seeing these little vessels out in the Pacific and showing off in Australia is really going to give the USN so much data for the USV's in the future, especially with those weaponised containers. Heck, the Ranger and her sister ship (Honestly forgot the name, I want to say Mariner?) would be ideal for the Philippine navy for their little replenishment missions.
8:45 Greenshirt is manning catapult control and monitoring station. There are four such stations, depending on particular carrier. The station we see wiht greenshirt. The bubble station that Chief Shooter Launch Officer mans, and there maybe another station on side of the ship that catapult is on. The last one midships for waist catapults.
For now, only one S26T submarine was built and half-completed at Wuhan (not Bohai shipyard). Thailand has only approved the first hull and the two follow on hulls were pending to confirm. This submarine deal was controversial since the first day, Royal Thailand Navy really want them, but the public did not especially after the economy went down due to COVID.
Green shirt is probably maintaining some kind of launch gear while trying to hear someone on their headset...during a shot. Looks like a future story of a life well lived.
According to Thai sources: Thailand, before the Asian financial crisis in 1996, was aiming to become a blue navy. The ski jump carrier with Harriers from Spain was the first step. They were planning on acquiring a CATOBAR. Hence, why they acquired A-7, S-2, and F/A 18 (later canceled).
Agree with your comments about the Arleigh Burke DDG's. Australia should be getting these in the Flight III config instead of their attempt of putting together a unicorn platform that they always seem to mess up.
Wasn't the idea that the LCS had multi mission modules? Won't the LCS itself still be a fally aparty under armed underbuilt target that still needs contractors to maintain them?
What would be really cool is instead of an LCS a frigate or destroyer (someone say, Zumwalt?) with ghost ships to act as pickets for carriers. Zumwalt has lots of power, is stealthy, and has nothing better to do. Put the drones between the enemy and our sailors with a primary mission of air defense.
Zumwalt is currently getting its guns replaced with silos for hypersonic missiles, so I guess the Navy does think it has better things to do. Might also be a bit too rare & expensive for picket ship duty.
The LCS ships controlling unmanned drone ships is a good idea I think. Why risk or spend more when we already wasted so much on those LCS ships, it would be better to get some kind of use out of them than none at all. But it has to be useful in a way that really matters but just kept around because we made them.
Sometimes it's better to just write it off. Don't fall into the sunk cost fallacy. Sometimes a ship is so bad it will just haunt you if you try to get use out of it.
I think with unmanned warships in combat you will want a small crew on-board to give it resistance to ew The capability to be unmanned means it can work with a small comand crew
I love the USS Hopper. Rear admiral grace retired just shy of 80 because she was legitimately needed for her role and more than capable of carrying out her duties. If memory serves the state room has a section of wire one nanosecond long in her honor.
A nanosecond at c in a vacuum, one of her teaching aids used to explain to admirals and generals why satcoms take so long. She would occasionally hand out a coil of wire 984ft long to contrast a nanosecond to a microsecond. Gotta admit, it'd be kinda cool to change out 'angels' with 'microseconds'. Scorpion 4-3, Mud, Buster, Green 2-8-0, Riser, Two-ship, BRAA, 0-2-0, 80 miles, micro 3-7, hot, Riser, group two, four-ship, BRAA, 0-3-5, 9-2 miles, micro 4-2, hot, fast, spike, fox-3, ripple-4, cranking, Standby... Fox-3, Ripple-8, Remington, Splash-1, Splash-2, Standby... Splash-4, Splash-5, Splash-6, Gadget Clean, Out 2-1-0 for 6-5 miles, Saunter, Scorpion 4-3 R.T.B. Scorpion 4-2, shift echelon left. We are not angels. We are merely the reason diplomats exist. The microsecond you forget that is the moment we make sure you meet true angels.
Gotta love the snipes, especially the old school BTs and MMs on steam powered platforms. That was one area of the ESWS program I thought I would have the most trouble with since I'm generally retarded when it comes to mechanical things. Turns out I got down with Engineering concepts really fast, and was soon able to sketch out and explain how a drop of water turns into propulsion and makes a light bulb come on. Really satisfying to know a bit about every aspect of the ship's ability to operate and make weapons go boom.
Thailand is apparently figuring out how to get away from this Chinese submarine contract without penalty or damaging the relation with China. Thailand has purchase one frigate from DSME , South Korea , which is HTMS Bhumibol Adulyadej(F471) ; purchasing second Korean frigate was postponed in 2019 that concentrating resource to the submarine project. Now the submarine deal is aground, resuming follow on hulls of Korean frigates make more sense. Remember Chinese Naval AAW weapons and CMS is not compatible with Thailand Navy, Integrating western CMS on a Chinese hull is very unlikely nowadays.
Could someone explain to me the logic and or purpose of putting vls or canistered missiles or any missiles on the bow of a warship, what is the logic in that, god bless
Thailand better strip every bit of electronics out of those ships and replace them. I would trust China to build mechanical objects, but I would be extremely suspicious of any electronics (I do get the irony of me typing this on an iPhone, but I'm not a warship).
You talking about the two groups not might making home in time. Doesnt US Navy have a thing, where they can fly a fresh crew (or part) to some of those ships? Like if, for example, Genrald R. Ford group, visiting an friendly/allied port where new crew can come on board and the crew that was on board could get flown home? I can understand it for the reason of the equipment and ships as they would need some maintenance as well
Navy does hot pump crew switches, so to speak, with Subs and some forward deployed ships - minesweepers in Bahrain for example. A complete rotation of a deployed carrier crew would be quite an undertaking. Swapping a complete air wing would be problematic on its own. Without thinking all the issues through, feels like a total clusterfk, probably why it hasn't been done (AFAIK).
@@jeffbeck8993 That I can understand, I just wondering if they had that in planned. I think Royal Danish Navy is able to do it with few of deployed crew. Like if one of them needs to get home for health problems or family problems (If they are allowed for the family) I do think I had seen it while it was allowed to film from one of our frigates during the counter piracy at the Horn of Africa
@@Danspy501st Ah, ok, I was referring to the "full crew" swap part of your comment. US Navy prefers vast majority of the crew have enough time to complete the full deployment, which obviously reduces the logistical demand of moving people around the world for routine transfers, and obviously facilitates teamwork cohesion and continuity during real-world operations on deployment. During times of conflict, this can, and has, resulted in Operational Hold policies for military service members (OPHOLDs) to remain on station or, in some cases, on active duty despite the end of the contract service time. Having said that, routine transfers do happen. People, mail, parts, cargo, etc., are flown to staging points in overseas theaters waiting further transfer to ships at sea via air or other support ships, or directly if the ship is sked to pull in somewhere that makes sense. For the Gulf, Bahrain was a key logistics and transfer point, with a dedicated squadron for this purpose, in addition to air assets from the ships themselves, if applicable. On the flip side, if a Sailor is in the process of transferring to a ship that's on the other side of the world on deployment but is nearing the end, or in the process of steaming back home, Navy will determine a cut-off point and just keep collecting Sailors at the home port until the ship gets back.
The automatic systems were heavily discussed during the 50's. SAC/NORAD men in the loop. Even movies hotly contested such.. the film wargames and an ever more dark film epic called "Failsafe"
Australia has just recently suffered a sonar attack on Navy divers by the Chinese. I remember when I was there that a tactic for deterring enemy 'swimmers' was scare charges and random sonar pings. I'm assuming that the divers were showing the diving flag, so to be pinged was either deliberate, or poor management on the Chinese side. This occurred in international waters. The only information we have of the result is 'Some minor injury.' I certainly would not like to be pinged underwater.
IIRC the person in the green shirt is the one who adjusts the gross weight in the catapult launch system for proper pressures on launches. Get that wrong and you can either get it right, get it wrong low and have a soft cat shot which can cause the aircraft to crash into the water for lack of speed, or tear up the gear if you have it set way too high. I was USAF not Navy but I did watch a bit on YT about carrier ops and I'm pretty sure that is that person's job.
Carl Vinson must be just about due to retire. We were exercising with her back in '84, '85. We were going flat stick in our destroyer/escort, and she was pulling away from us. The OOW estimated her to be doing close to 50knts. Amazing.
The S26 has been criticized about its suitability from the beginning. Tactically, it's being said that Gulf of Thailand is relatively shallow, so it is questionable about how much actually the RTN needs the subs. While strategically, these subs are Chinese made (obviously), but the problem is that almost all of Thailand's neighboring countries are having issues with the Chinese activities in South China Sea, so if there is a war break out, even Thailand stays neutral, there will be problems with parts and maintenance supply definitely. These are what we Thai question about the subs, not just my own. The previous government, with the lead of Gen. Prayut Chan-O-Cha, the junta of the the latest coup, the project was pushing forward against these questions. Some even believed that he just tried to keep buying in other branches of armed forces to not go against him (RTN did a failed coup attempt against Field Marshal Phibunsongkharm in 1951, which made it become the most looked over armed force branch ever since). Then the pandemic hit, China relationship with the west deteriorated, creates new problem is that Germany wouldn't supply the MTU engine for these subs (if I remember correctly, they claimed that the engine is only supplied for China domestically use, but not re-exports along with the subs). China tried to persuade Thai gov to accept them to supply the subs with their domestically made engines instead. I kinda losing track after this. I'm not sure that did they accept that option or not. Or it was stuck in the mid build, and forced Thai gov to seek for the MTU engines supply by its own. This is probably why the build was late Now, the current government, which is led by technically middle-right wing, is also under criticized by the oppositions which led by left wing party, which has policies against the armed forces (because they all joined the coup) about the switching decision.
@@VahidHalebic What to do with the US? US never ever export any sub. The options were mostly European subs, which obvious likely to have less problem if there is a war in South China Sea. And that's not even include the diplomatic pressure from China that they will definitely forced Thai gov. to take their side one way or another to keep the subs maintained, while all of the neighboring countries are against the China.
@@jpkosoltrakul Recent agreement has the US selling "conventional weapon" nuclear powered subs to Australia. Believe it's a joint venture type thing ~ USA/UK/Australia. // Agreed that Thailand loves up China a lot, IMO due to proximity and some shared ethnic/cultural proclivities, but from time to time Thailand does push back just to let China know it's not 100% Big Brother in the neighborhood (even though it is). At the same time, they maintain some longstanding ties with the US Military, and 3 letter acronym agencies, but has and will push back against them too, from time to time.
It is rumored that Taiwan is interested in acquiring a recently decommissioned LCS from the U.S. Navy. Wonder if this is true. Since Taiwan do not have the intention of building a blue water navy, maybe it is a suitable acquisition for their coastal defense.
Could you please comment on the recent incident of a Chinese ship blasting Australian Navy divers with its sonar. What would the divers experience, how dangerous was the incident from health point of view and is this a common tactic to disrupt dives? And any other insights.. Many thanks.
Ops in Green has left hand holding the headset tight, right hand holding down a notepad/book/clipboard.. check listing something and keeping it from becoming FOD.
It would be extremely complicated and time consuming to do that for any boarding party, if its even possible. Let alone do it before the navy realizes in probably a couple minutes and you have a marine or navy SEAL/SWCC response team blasting your ass. Even a car is difficult and requires skills to hotwire it, if these new ones even can be hotwired...real life isnt GTA5. These unmanned ships probably arent even going to leave the general vicinity of manned ships, any boarders probably wont even be able to break down the door to the control room or handle whatever onboard defense systems they end up putting on these before security teams are already well en route. And every major warship has a lot of security options on board
Side question, if anyone has a link to when Mr. Sub Brief (probably Jive Turkey at the time) was doing his streaming for The Sinking City, could you link me to that, please? (Tirepo was screwing with him by playing creepy music in the stream to mess with him, and when Jive realized what was going on it was HILARIOUS, that’s what I’m really looking for. I looked under the Jive Turkey channel but didn’t find it. TIA!
i love the burke alot i also love the Ticonderoga i had always assumed the Ticonderoga was more powerful but it seemed you gave the impression that you think burke is more powerful i dont actual know but am interested to find out do you think the burke is more powerful and has more utility than the ticon if i rem correctly the burke is newer so i guess it makes sense i havnt thought of it much just heard so much good things about both i kinda figured they where equal or that ticon was a big more useful thats why they havnt gotten rid of them yet any thoughts anyone?
I’m thinking the Carl Vinson will relieve Eisenhower, and it will relieve the Ford. I wonder how our WWII sailors dealt with extended combat/deployments? Maybe because we were at war, the morale was different…
@@SubBrief is she not an amphibious transport dock? Transporting a group from the 26th marine expeditionary group? I was under the impression that the mesa verde was set to stay with the Ford group while the baataan and Carter hall were to transition to the gulf after the ike
Would love to have a chat and a beer, I'm just to far away. If you ever come to South Africa, I'll buy the first round. Oh, I do try to play War Thunder, great game.
Not often, though. Was down at Sattahip beach years ago, tours of the Thai carrier were open, but not for foreigners. The Thai Sailor manning the entrance gate was really uptight and animated about it too, like he was protecting some kind of super G14 classified asset. It was cute, and silly at the same time. LOL. Served on a carrier, and an LHD, so I was interested to see the general layout and material condition of the Thai carrier. Thailand has mandatory conscription for military service, so with all that cheap, chip/prime/paint labor hanging around, figured all the tour areas on board would be spic and span. Would love to see the berthing areas, and go down to the pit to see the state of the engineering spaces.
actually it's current ministry of defence idea to change submarine to frigate contract after it's clear that germany don't grant the export license to thailand. they think this will not anger china. they fear that if the contract is cancelled, china will not invest in thailand but it's not even make sense. thailand still making drone with chinese tech and the contract was very tiny compare to chinese defence budget.
So I am watching this channel from time to time and then I watch Drumeo channel the same., totally different subjects but in one of Drumeo videos (Prog Rock - Drumming guilty...) there's a guy that made me think... Hey this guy looks like Sub Brief guy twin brother. :))
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It's possible the Chinese wanted those nearly completed subs for themselves to bolster their own defensive capabilities. If true, it's also possible that China approached Thailand with the sub-for-frigates swap proposal instead of the other way around. China is rightly worried about the west's increasing focus on countering Chinese military and political ambitions in the Indo-Pacific region. The swap would be a way to almost instantly increase their sub force by two hulls, a not insignificant improvement.
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Could it be the loss of a Chinese sub last month?
Some Chinese source says that these subs were contracted to use Germany MTU396 engines. however Gemany refused to sell the engine to China after the pandemic, and Thailand wasn't satisfied with Chinese engine. Thus the deal was cancelled.
Thats the same story I heard, the Chinese were trying to get them to take Chinese clones of the MTU engines but the Thais were demanding the original German engines be provided. Apparently relates to a contract MTU made with China before Tiananmen Square where they agreed to supply a specific number of marine engines but since then they have refused to extend the deal due to sanctions and China has now used up the contracted number of engines MTU was to supply. The engines were also supposed to be for civilian application but China stuck them in its subs and destroyers making them dual-use technology and so subject to military sanctions. The engine dispute isnt new, been running for a couple of years, also some reports the Chinese clone wasnt very reliable and there had been a number of failures of them in the Chinese navy.
Quality comments here! Would add that the requirement for MTU engine was specified in the contract so no one is willing to sign the acceptance that obviously breaches the contract. I think the contract also specified that the boat needed to be installed with MTU396 or comparable engine that had been certified and USED in submarine. The thing is, even PLAN boats were all installed with MTUs. The Chinese clone has never been put on any sub before.
@@watcherzero5256 China was licensed to build MTU 369 engines for their own submarines, but they are not authorized to export to third party. So what China offer is another engine: CHD620, a variant of licensed built Deutz-Mannheim TBD620V12, which has never used on submarine and definitely required significant engineering changes.
@@tanapontux6242 I assumed the contract did not defined what to do if the MTU396 engines are not available, since they did not foresee this possibility when the contract was signed in 2017.
@@picardtsengit's not because they are not authorized to export the licensed engine (MTU16V396SE84), but because the contract says MTU396. Which means must be MTU396 made in Germany as per contract, not any engine made in China (even though China bought the license). As simple as that.
Hey, I'm a big fan from Thailand. The royal Thai navy wants about 8 new frigates, some submarines and a covette (to replace the one that sunk in a storm). We want China to build 3 Yuan class(S26T) with a German MTU396 engine for us and then we will modify them to use western weapons. The thing is, China has already taken our money and also finished building the hull, but then they suddenly come to tell us that Germany sanctioned them to buy the MTU engine for the military, then offered us a Chinese-built MTU engine, which we refused and we wanted our money back because they failed the contract but we got denied. So now the royal Thai navy is trying to force them to switch that submarine we don't want to a frigate to fill 8 frigates we want.
Also, at first the navy wanted those 8 frigates to be European or Korean or American ships or maybe order a hull from the Chinese and then put the western equipment in it as plan B. Now it seems now we are gonna get a Chinese frigate that was not in the plan, so now politicians are piss and want to cancel the submarine program.
Actually the alternative China offered is not Chinese-built MTU, they are not licensed to exported to third party. What China offered is CHD620, a variant of licensed built Deutz-Mannheim TBD620V12. That is a unproven solution and required significant engineering changes on the current S26T designs. Pakistan , who also has major licensed built Type 039A submarine project underway , should has accepted the engine change since there is no other option and their submarine is high priority
@@picardtsengThank you for correcting me. That one is my mistake.
not surprised that they wont give money back at all once china takes your money its gone always
@@picardtseng" That is a unproven solution " Whom to be an authorizing person in prove?
Any chance of doing a video on the Chinese navy using active sonar on those Australian navy divers? It happened about a week ago when HMAS Toowoomba got some fishing nets tangled around its screws in Japanese waters.
Some clearance divers were in the middle of cutting the nets off when a Chinese warship approached. The Australian ship continually broadcasted to surrounding shipping that they had divers in the water and to refrain from sonar usage, but the Chinese kept pinging away. Two sailors got "minor injuries" (whatever that means). Thought you might be interested.
Thats fucked up.
coming this monday.
I really hope the ULSV don't get too big or expensive. I have two primary concerns about them 1. Them getting captured as they lack a crew to fight off boarders. 2. The lack of damage control. Without a crew you can't have miracles like the Samuel B. Roberts. Even a small fire if automatic fire suppression fails can lead to a total failure on a vehicles packed with rocket motors due to the VLS and rolling frame systems.
So very true, including proximity control system errors or the possibility of mid system interception or mitigation by hostile forces. A man on the middle attack scenario. Including the possibility of weapons being used AGAINST the fleet in question. Also the strain to Logistical support for fuel and ships maintenence and the possibility of uncorrected developments in the weapons chain of operations.
The second major problem is hacking. Anything that is online/remote control can, in theory, be hacked. Don't want one of these things suddenly deciding to ram a carrier...
If the PLA speedboats came in all directions and fired at a ULSV, they could probably disable the ULSV and tow them back to port and pick them apart for tech and intelligence bonanza.
only way i seee ithem using it, is for local search and rescue,rather than power projection.well kinda since it can be used for soft-power politics within there region. submarins i ask myself wtf does anyone neeed one, since theree only used to smuggle,gather intel, or war. nothing civilian, dep sea exploration dont count as civilian...institutions have the money. so does thin meean theere to be watched and not trusteed?
I would not be surprised if they turn out to be AULSV. The A being for Almost. It's hard to imagine a vessel of that size having no humans on board, even if it's usually only half a dozen to stand watches and manually intervene if required.
At 8:32, the person in green hunched over during the F18 shot, is a member of V2 Division Catapult crew running the gear inside that open hatch there. Dude in yellow is the Shooter (officer), yellow dude in foreground is an aircraft director, acting as safety observer during the aircraft run up and launch sequence.
I live in Thailand, and it's very hot issue for a while about these subs.
Not too sure about how much its been covered in the states, but some Aus Divers were injured this week by PLAN sonar. Would love to see your take on it
That is Nov. 27 video.
Great channel Aaron - maturity & knowledge I think is your hallmark. And clearly keep calling things out when you believe that things are not happening or just plain wrong !!!
I appreciate that!
Go Vinson go. Served under VANOPDET with the EA6 squadrons decades ago. Great memories serving under her.
Hoping for a sub brief and Ward Carol collaboration!
1 billion Baht is about $30,000,000
Great job on your videos. You keep it real, you are pleasant, and knowledgeable. I especially like you give credit to the photographers which I really like even if its US Navy or USNI. Keep up the good work.
_Hyuga_ is the lead ship of her class, and it means "sunny place". The name is quite old, probably dates back to when Japan became known as "The Land of the Rising Sun", so it has significance. It is among a bunch of other ships in the JMSDF that are named after Imperial Japanese battleships/battlecruisers, so that's fun...
Great photos and editing. Top notch brother.
Thank you so much 🙂
The waters around Thailand are very shallow, commonly at around 50 meters and the Chinese Sub is quite large for a diesel sub with twice the displacement of a German 212A or Swedish Gotland class. It probably should not have been ordered in the first place. The delay had to do with the engine, was supposed to be a German engine but they were not allowed to sell it if was installed in a Chinese Sub and the Thai did not wan't a Chinese Engine replacement. To make things even more Ironic the Original "German Engine" as it turns out was to be licensed built in China anyway.
Everyone in the region have sub , so Thai general and admiral wanted sub also lol😂
Yep the gulf of Thailand is very shallow but they can still be use in the Andaman sea, either way, we could've gone for U206A in the first place :((
@@Riceman-zw4gpYes, 6 of 'em! As a starter pack.
@@patrickm.4754 it was such a waste not accepting that deal ngl
Thank you Jive was waiting for this video.
Awesome update!
I too share your love for the Arleigh Burke's Aaron! The first of the new Flight IIIs is almost ready, with the new SPY-6 radar and many more upgrades and its going to carry us just fine until whatever DDG(X) turns into lol
Great brief Aaron!
Thank you all for your service! This cannot be said too often. Thank you.
Great show, Chief.
I'm from Plymouth and currently located there, but as we have a baby on the way soon we're looking to Plymouth. It is GOOD to see some growth here in the city though. I do wonder if it will actually help the ward of Devonport - it's rather poor.
1 Baht = 2.8 US Cents, therefore 1 billion Baht = $28,355,930.00 USD
I remember the 500 ship navy...
600? Reagan?
My two sons are Marines and my step son is in the Navy and is with the sub service
Why is Thailand buying vessels from China at all?
Why not? Those Chinese ships are very capable plus terms and pricing are very low.
The Navy didn’t want to use Chinese’s submarine in the first place, most sailors also suspicious that this sub relate to the retired high rank officers’s corruption or something like that.😅
@@Singular121 Why? Because that Nine Dash Line is real damn close to Thailand. It would be like the Swedes or the Danes using Russian made ships. Thailand is far more likely to go to war against the Chinese than the Germans or the British. Who knows what kind of stuff is incorporated in those boats that the Chinese could activate if they wanted to. It's just the sort of stupid sh!t that some dumbass politician would pull for some Chinese bribe.
@@addypc7996 You're wrong. It's the majority vote from navy's subcommittee in favour for the Chinese sub compared to German. The offer which included terms and conditions were irresistible to pass. It's just unfortunate that the engine from Germany couldn't be acquired due to US pressure.
@@Singular121 That voters were on the same side with former vice PM which is pro-China and I also think they’re the same persons with retired officers I said before. No one have any proof so they just suspicious that why longtime western ship user Navy buy Chinese vessel immediately after military government take control. Well, the result is still the same with what you just said.
The trans-pacific voyage of those unmanned vehicles is pretty astounding, especially Ranger and her sister ship who were originally offshore replenishment vessels for the gulf of Mexico (Iirc anyway and that's not exactly the same as the Pacific.) goes to show their superb construction!
Navalnews had a pretty good interview with Commander Daley who commands Division One and seeing these little vessels out in the Pacific and showing off in Australia is really going to give the USN so much data for the USV's in the future, especially with those weaponised containers.
Heck, the Ranger and her sister ship (Honestly forgot the name, I want to say Mariner?) would be ideal for the Philippine navy for their little replenishment missions.
8:45 Greenshirt is manning catapult control and monitoring station. There are four such stations, depending on particular carrier. The station we see wiht greenshirt. The bubble station that Chief Shooter Launch Officer mans, and there maybe another station on side of the ship that catapult is on. The last one midships for waist catapults.
For now, only one S26T submarine was built and half-completed at Wuhan (not Bohai shipyard). Thailand has only approved the first hull and the two follow on hulls were pending to confirm. This submarine deal was controversial since the first day, Royal Thailand Navy really want them, but the public did not especially after the economy went down due to COVID.
Green shirt is probably maintaining some kind of launch gear while trying to hear someone on their headset...during a shot. Looks like a future story of a life well lived.
Thanks brother, as a professional Military mariner down in AUS, appreciate your call out to the extended mariners of the USN in the Middle East
USS Hopper still looking good considering it's coming on 30 years old
I had a hand in building both the USS Carter Hall and the USNS Laramie. So glad to see both these fine ships still proudly serving America.
The greenshirt is ABH adjusting the cat pressure to launch
According to Thai sources: Thailand, before the Asian financial crisis in 1996, was aiming to become a blue navy. The ski jump carrier with Harriers from Spain was the first step.
They were planning on acquiring a CATOBAR. Hence, why they acquired A-7, S-2, and F/A 18 (later canceled).
Agree with your comments about the Arleigh Burke DDG's. Australia should be getting these in the Flight III config instead of their attempt of putting together a unicorn platform that they always seem to mess up.
Wasn't the idea that the LCS had multi mission modules? Won't the LCS itself still be a fally aparty under armed underbuilt target that still needs contractors to maintain them?
What would be really cool is instead of an LCS a frigate or destroyer (someone say, Zumwalt?) with ghost ships to act as pickets for carriers. Zumwalt has lots of power, is stealthy, and has nothing better to do. Put the drones between the enemy and our sailors with a primary mission of air defense.
Zumwalt is currently getting its guns replaced with silos
for hypersonic missiles, so I guess the Navy does think it has better
things to do. Might also be a bit too rare & expensive for
picket ship duty.
9:27
For the Los Angeles class sub, yes, we can not see the silent service.
The LCS ships controlling unmanned drone ships is a good idea I think. Why risk or spend more when we already wasted so much on those LCS ships, it would be better to get some kind of use out of them than none at all. But it has to be useful in a way that really matters but just kept around because we made them.
Sometimes it's better to just write it off. Don't fall into the sunk cost fallacy. Sometimes a ship is so bad it will just haunt you if you try to get use out of it.
Local Control Ship
The jacket and hat combo give me Tom Clancy vibes. Lol
Damn Aaron! I want to get a beer with you! If you ever come to Florida, let us know. Love your content!
I wonder if there would be any potential buyers to quickly pick up the China submarines like Venezuela or Egypt?
9:45 You're telling me you can spot a submarine in this photo? I sure can't.
Will ya hurry up, I've been holding my breath
I think with unmanned warships in combat you will want a small crew on-board to give it resistance to ew
The capability to be unmanned means it can work with a small comand crew
I love the USS Hopper. Rear admiral grace retired just shy of 80 because she was legitimately needed for her role and more than capable of carrying out her duties. If memory serves the state room has a section of wire one nanosecond long in her honor.
A section of wire a nanosecond long. What, a nanosecond at c? Typo of nanometer? Genuinely got me curious.
A nanosecond at c in a vacuum, one of her teaching aids used to explain to admirals and generals why satcoms take so long. She would occasionally hand out a coil of wire 984ft long to contrast a nanosecond to a microsecond. Gotta admit, it'd be kinda cool to change out 'angels' with 'microseconds'.
Scorpion 4-3, Mud, Buster, Green 2-8-0, Riser, Two-ship, BRAA, 0-2-0, 80 miles, micro 3-7, hot, Riser, group two, four-ship, BRAA, 0-3-5, 9-2 miles, micro 4-2, hot, fast, spike, fox-3, ripple-4, cranking, Standby... Fox-3, Ripple-8, Remington, Splash-1, Splash-2, Standby... Splash-4, Splash-5, Splash-6, Gadget Clean, Out 2-1-0 for 6-5 miles, Saunter, Scorpion 4-3 R.T.B. Scorpion 4-2, shift echelon left.
We are not angels. We are merely the reason diplomats exist. The microsecond you forget that is the moment we make sure you meet true angels.
The USS Hopper from the Movie Battleship.
The exchange rate for Thai baht is around 35 baht/USD.
I was a hole snipe back in the day. I did not work at any keyboard. I was elbow deep in doing maintenance on shipboard equipment.
Gotta love the snipes, especially the old school BTs and MMs on steam powered platforms. That was one area of the ESWS program I thought I would have the most trouble with since I'm generally retarded when it comes to mechanical things. Turns out I got down with Engineering concepts really fast, and was soon able to sketch out and explain how a drop of water turns into propulsion and makes a light bulb come on. Really satisfying to know a bit about every aspect of the ship's ability to operate and make weapons go boom.
@jeffbeck8993 yep for me anything dealing with radars and electronics was my bane. Give me mechanical principles any day of the week.
Thailand is apparently figuring out how to get away from this Chinese submarine contract without penalty or damaging the relation with China. Thailand has purchase one frigate from DSME , South Korea , which is HTMS Bhumibol Adulyadej(F471) ; purchasing second Korean frigate was postponed in 2019 that concentrating resource to the submarine project. Now the submarine deal is aground, resuming follow on hulls of Korean frigates make more sense. Remember Chinese Naval AAW weapons and CMS is not compatible with Thailand Navy, Integrating western CMS on a Chinese hull is very unlikely nowadays.
I say keep the arleighs design and just upgrade it. Do you know how the mogami do in a fight? They are a nice looking ship.
And NOBODY can ever jam the communications between the drones and the mother ship.
sure if the drone and the mothership were far enough apart.
When did the switch from red to blue lighting happen?
Thumbnail: Either “What are the Chinese 🇨🇳 “ or “What is China 🇨🇳 “ REALLY doing ……” 😎
Any news on the Chyneze sun that sank awhile back?
Why do I feel like when they say they're hiding them they're actually just sinking them and not saying a word about it
they're probably re-engining them and trying to find a new buyer. Maybe Iran?
Could someone explain to me the logic and or purpose of putting vls or canistered missiles or any missiles on the bow of a warship, what is the logic in that, god bless
Thailand better strip every bit of electronics out of those ships and replace them. I would trust China to build mechanical objects, but I would be extremely suspicious of any electronics (I do get the irony of me typing this on an iPhone, but I'm not a warship).
US market phones are probably the most secure chinese built electronics that exist tho.
LOL, yeah, a bunch of Apps from Huawei.
Shout out to all my fellow CIC dwellers who run things behind the scenes. Nice to get some recognition.
Nothing like playing with SINS.
You talking about the two groups not might making home in time. Doesnt US Navy have a thing, where they can fly a fresh crew (or part) to some of those ships? Like if, for example, Genrald R. Ford group, visiting an friendly/allied port where new crew can come on board and the crew that was on board could get flown home? I can understand it for the reason of the equipment and ships as they would need some maintenance as well
Navy does hot pump crew switches, so to speak, with Subs and some forward deployed ships - minesweepers in Bahrain for example. A complete rotation of a deployed carrier crew would be quite an undertaking. Swapping a complete air wing would be problematic on its own. Without thinking all the issues through, feels like a total clusterfk, probably why it hasn't been done (AFAIK).
@@jeffbeck8993 That I can understand, I just wondering if they had that in planned. I think Royal Danish Navy is able to do it with few of deployed crew. Like if one of them needs to get home for health problems or family problems (If they are allowed for the family) I do think I had seen it while it was allowed to film from one of our frigates during the counter piracy at the Horn of Africa
@@Danspy501st Ah, ok, I was referring to the "full crew" swap part of your comment.
US Navy prefers vast majority of the crew have enough time to complete the full deployment, which obviously reduces the logistical demand of moving people around the world for routine transfers, and obviously facilitates teamwork cohesion and continuity during real-world operations on deployment. During times of conflict, this can, and has, resulted in Operational Hold policies for military service members (OPHOLDs) to remain on station or, in some cases, on active duty despite the end of the contract service time.
Having said that, routine transfers do happen. People, mail, parts, cargo, etc., are flown to staging points in overseas theaters waiting further transfer to ships at sea via air or other support ships, or directly if the ship is sked to pull in somewhere that makes sense. For the Gulf, Bahrain was a key logistics and transfer point, with a dedicated squadron for this purpose, in addition to air assets from the ships themselves, if applicable.
On the flip side, if a Sailor is in the process of transferring to a ship that's on the other side of the world on deployment but is nearing the end, or in the process of steaming back home, Navy will determine a cut-off point and just keep collecting Sailors at the home port until the ship gets back.
The automatic systems were heavily discussed during the 50's. SAC/NORAD men in the loop. Even movies hotly contested such.. the film wargames and an ever more dark film epic called "Failsafe"
The US Navy is getting closer to being Carrier Command irl.
Australia has just recently suffered a sonar attack on Navy divers by the Chinese.
I remember when I was there that a tactic for deterring enemy 'swimmers' was scare charges and random sonar pings.
I'm assuming that the divers were showing the diving flag, so to be pinged was either deliberate, or poor management on the Chinese side.
This occurred in international waters. The only information we have of the result is 'Some minor injury.'
I certainly would not like to be pinged underwater.
Moo go gy-pan for General Cho's chicken instead...lol
IIRC the person in the green shirt is the one who adjusts the gross weight in the catapult launch system for proper pressures on launches. Get that wrong and you can either get it right, get it wrong low and have a soft cat shot which can cause the aircraft to crash into the water for lack of speed, or tear up the gear if you have it set way too high. I was USAF not Navy but I did watch a bit on YT about carrier ops and I'm pretty sure that is that person's job.
Thanks for the hard work, Ford sailors.
Interesting.
Carl Vinson must be just about due to retire. We were exercising with her back in '84, '85. We were going flat stick in our destroyer/escort, and she was pulling away from us. The OOW estimated her to be doing close to 50knts. Amazing.
The S26 has been criticized about its suitability from the beginning. Tactically, it's being said that Gulf of Thailand is relatively shallow, so it is questionable about how much actually the RTN needs the subs. While strategically, these subs are Chinese made (obviously), but the problem is that almost all of Thailand's neighboring countries are having issues with the Chinese activities in South China Sea, so if there is a war break out, even Thailand stays neutral, there will be problems with parts and maintenance supply definitely. These are what we Thai question about the subs, not just my own. The previous government, with the lead of Gen. Prayut Chan-O-Cha, the junta of the the latest coup, the project was pushing forward against these questions. Some even believed that he just tried to keep buying in other branches of armed forces to not go against him (RTN did a failed coup attempt against Field Marshal Phibunsongkharm in 1951, which made it become the most looked over armed force branch ever since).
Then the pandemic hit, China relationship with the west deteriorated, creates new problem is that Germany wouldn't supply the MTU engine for these subs (if I remember correctly, they claimed that the engine is only supplied for China domestically use, but not re-exports along with the subs). China tried to persuade Thai gov to accept them to supply the subs with their domestically made engines instead. I kinda losing track after this. I'm not sure that did they accept that option or not. Or it was stuck in the mid build, and forced Thai gov to seek for the MTU engines supply by its own. This is probably why the build was late
Now, the current government, which is led by technically middle-right wing, is also under criticized by the oppositions which led by left wing party, which has policies against the armed forces (because they all joined the coup) about the switching decision.
same with US subs with parts and maintenance supply if war break out so what are you saying ?
@@VahidHalebic What to do with the US? US never ever export any sub. The options were mostly European subs, which obvious likely to have less problem if there is a war in South China Sea. And that's not even include the diplomatic pressure from China that they will definitely forced Thai gov. to take their side one way or another to keep the subs maintained, while all of the neighboring countries are against the China.
Lao has no issue with China.
@@jpkosoltrakul Recent agreement has the US selling "conventional weapon" nuclear powered subs to Australia. Believe it's a joint venture type thing ~ USA/UK/Australia. //
Agreed that Thailand loves up China a lot, IMO due to proximity and some shared ethnic/cultural proclivities, but from time to time Thailand does push back just to let China know it's not 100% Big Brother in the neighborhood (even though it is). At the same time, they maintain some longstanding ties with the US Military, and 3 letter acronym agencies, but has and will push back against them too, from time to time.
It is rumored that Taiwan is interested in acquiring a recently decommissioned LCS from the U.S. Navy.
Wonder if this is true. Since Taiwan do not have the intention of building a blue water navy, maybe it is a suitable acquisition for their coastal defense.
That would be hillarious, the joke is that the US makes Taiwan buy defective and old US hardware as a form of protection payment.
It's an early Flight I Burke without helicopter hangars
Could you please comment on the recent incident of a Chinese ship blasting Australian Navy divers with its sonar.
What would the divers experience, how dangerous was the incident from health point of view and is this a common tactic to disrupt dives? And any other insights..
Many thanks.
In another comment, he said he's doing that video 27NOV.
My kid just enlisted in the Navy. Wants to be an ET-Nuke and volunteered for subs. Huge enlistment bonus for that job
Ops in Green has left hand holding the headset tight, right hand holding down a notepad/book/clipboard.. check listing something and keeping it from becoming FOD.
What keeps other people from boarding these in other areas and hot wiring them to use against us?
US Marine Corp.
It would be extremely complicated and time consuming to do that for any boarding party, if its even possible. Let alone do it before the navy realizes in probably a couple minutes and you have a marine or navy SEAL/SWCC response team blasting your ass. Even a car is difficult and requires skills to hotwire it, if these new ones even can be hotwired...real life isnt GTA5. These unmanned ships probably arent even going to leave the general vicinity of manned ships, any boarders probably wont even be able to break down the door to the control room or handle whatever onboard defense systems they end up putting on these before security teams are already well en route. And every major warship has a lot of security options on board
You say not that big but at 2000 tons a ULSV will be the size of a WWII DD.
The design can't exceed that displacement. so, it will be less.
Side question, if anyone has a link to when Mr. Sub Brief (probably Jive Turkey at the time) was doing his streaming for The Sinking City, could you link me to that, please?
(Tirepo was screwing with him by playing creepy music in the stream to mess with him, and when Jive realized what was going on it was HILARIOUS, that’s what I’m really looking for. I looked under the Jive Turkey channel but didn’t find it. TIA!
i love the burke alot i also love the Ticonderoga i had always assumed the Ticonderoga was more powerful but it seemed you gave the impression that you think burke is more powerful i dont actual know but am interested to find out do you think the burke is more powerful and has more utility than the ticon if i rem correctly the burke is newer so i guess it makes sense i havnt thought of it much just heard so much good things about both i kinda figured they where equal or that ticon was a big more useful thats why they havnt gotten rid of them yet any thoughts anyone?
I’m thinking the Carl Vinson will relieve Eisenhower, and it will relieve the Ford.
I wonder how our WWII sailors dealt with extended combat/deployments?
Maybe because we were at war, the morale was different…
Aussies are the most experienced at cancelling submarine deals - the French were not happy.....
...the French are never happy.
I had thought that the mesa verde was with the ford group. From the battan arg?
Mesa Verde is her own fleet/group, but can be attached to other groups.
@@SubBrief is she not an amphibious transport dock? Transporting a group from the 26th marine expeditionary group?
I was under the impression that the mesa verde was set to stay with the Ford group while the baataan and Carter hall were to transition to the gulf after the ike
Will the LCS sail with seagoing-tug ghost ships to bring the LCS back home?
I was going to say. Having unmanned escorts won't make the LCS any more reliable or less crackly.
Would love to have a chat and a beer, I'm just to far away. If you ever come to South Africa, I'll buy the first round. Oh, I do try to play War Thunder, great game.
Thailand going to an alternate source for their submarines?
Why hitch these unmanned ships to the LCS? If they augment a crappy design they will augment a ship that is actually effective.
Mr. Cha Bu Duo strikes again
@ 9:45 where is the LA Class Sub?
it's right there...
@@SubBrief Oh, sorry, I forgot my Madman.
Tofu Ship Building 😂
Wait i thought you said arleigh burke class were cruisers the other video. Destroyer or cruiser. Which one?
Burkes are Destroyers. Always have been.
Ticonderoga is the cruiser (bigger one)
AB is the destroyer
Thanks Jive! Does Thailand ever send their baby-carrier to sea?
Yes they do
Not often, though.
Was down at Sattahip beach years ago, tours of the Thai carrier were open, but not for foreigners. The Thai Sailor manning the entrance gate was really uptight and animated about it too, like he was protecting some kind of super G14 classified asset. It was cute, and silly at the same time. LOL.
Served on a carrier, and an LHD, so I was interested to see the general layout and material condition of the Thai carrier. Thailand has mandatory conscription for military service, so with all that cheap, chip/prime/paint labor hanging around, figured all the tour areas on board would be spic and span. Would love to see the berthing areas, and go down to the pit to see the state of the engineering spaces.
BRING BACK THE COLD WATERS TUTORIALS they were soooo epic !!
Department of Justice says, "Not gonna happen" (they added Bitch, but I didn't say that.)
@@SubBrief I will talk w them. I know a guy
Submarine shell game :)
actually it's current ministry of defence idea to change submarine to frigate contract after it's clear that germany don't grant the export license to thailand. they think this will not anger china. they fear that if the contract is cancelled, china will not invest in thailand but it's not even make sense. thailand still making drone with chinese tech and the contract was very tiny compare to chinese defence budget.
Extensions = steak and lobster blues in my time.
Just love your passion, content quality, and style. You keep my t.v turned off.
Awesome! Thank you!
So I am watching this channel from time to time and then I watch Drumeo channel the same., totally different subjects but in one of Drumeo videos (Prog Rock - Drumming guilty...) there's a guy that made me think... Hey this guy looks like Sub Brief guy twin brother. :))
Re Marines: Robert Gates tells a favorite story about the Marines in his book about his time as SecDef. Intercepted communication from the Taliban: "Avoid the Marines, they're crazy. They run *toward* the gunfire."
It's possible the Chinese wanted those nearly completed subs for themselves to bolster their own defensive capabilities. If true, it's also possible that China approached Thailand with the sub-for-frigates swap proposal instead of the other way around.
China is rightly worried about the west's increasing focus on countering Chinese military and political ambitions in the Indo-Pacific region. The swap would be a way to almost instantly increase their sub force by two hulls, a not insignificant improvement.