The Problem with Women Lectors
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Not only have false notions of inclusiveness, political correctness, and feminist ideology entered into the liturgy, but also the false notion of dividing biological sex from the term gender. In other words, the ridiculous notion that an individual might be a female biologically but identifies as a man and embraces male functions, offices, and roles. And this gender confusion is now fully present in the liturgy. Today’s Gospel speaks of Christ as the Sower Who sows the seed of His Word into the garden of our souls. Christ the Sower saw that the Seed of His Word found a most perfect garden…a garden immeasurably superior to the Garden of Eden…in the soul of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The Seed of Christ’s Word germinated within the Immaculate Heart of Mary growing and putting out shoots as she pondered the revelation of her Son. But now, it seems, confusion reigns as women lectors attempt to sow the seed of the Word looking to impregnate the garden of the Faithful. Will the good Lord bless this new official ministry of women lectors with fruitfulness when it makes a female, who is supposed to receive the seed, into the male who issues the seed? Only in a contraceptive, sodomitical, and gender confused age would we have such a liturgical travesty. It is obvious that novelty, modern fads, and alien innovations have penetrated the sanctuary itself. This should cause us to flee the Novus Ordo and find liturgical and doctrinal sanity in Tradition.
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"We don't want a Church that moves with the world, we want a Church that MOVES the world"
G.K. Chesterton.
Chesterson was a genius! Or perhaps just greatly influenced by the Holy Spirit. 😊
@Richard Fox slaves were to be treated very well. Holy Scripture even states so. 👉🏻 All of us are slaves today in the same sense regarding the current economic system. What was abolished publicly by the church in her decrees was the idea that certain people were lesser than others. SO, The church actually defended dignity of slaves. That’s not to say there weren’t bad apples in the bunch abusing. In case you haven’t noticed, abuse occurs in every function of society and relation. When people know better, they do better and this 100% can only be traced to the preaching of The Gospel of Jesus Christ. He is The Light and The Way. When you realize your folly of ignorance regarding the church and the Catholic Church, you’ll behave better. 😘
@Al Hildford... Amen! God dwells IN those in a state of grace; God IS WORKING THROUGH US-His Church. So how can He be subject to-be moving with-the world? It's not possible. Jesus stated who was the prince of this world, and the apostle in Scripture stated who we're fighting against-not against flesh and blood.
When I step back and remind myself of all that again, it hits me that somehow the popes on down, starting in the 1960s, began to align with the agenda and spirit of the world. Snd you don't act like that unless your Faith is grown cold or lost entirely. It's interesting how >exactly at that time< Our Lady of Fatima's specific instructions and message were pushed aside. Then God, as He did with Pharaoh, removed His grace from softening the hearts of Church leaders. We pushed aside His mother, so He left us to our consequences.
I think Lucia of Fatima once said that the consecration of Russia and triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary would come about only when enough people were living the message of Fatima.... praying the rosary, offering sacrifices, living chastity in their state in life-making reparation to the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.
Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.
Dear Mary, intercede that our hearts be pure and strong to not give in to the illusions and deceptions of the world.
@Richard Fox Slavery is ongoing, maybe worse than ever now. Thank God for the apostles and Christ who remind us -- no matter what relationships the world organizes for us this side of Heaven, we are to treat people with regard.
@Richard Fox 'the infidel stole upon the citadel and destroyed from within' Kipling, Kim
It isn’t a problem of “not enough men”. It’s a problem of “not enough WILLING men”.
Good point.
Not enough encouragement for boys. Try saying this and seeing if it flies. "There not enough women in Science and Tech fields because they aren't willing"
@@gunzofthenavarrone8293 Not enough boys. I'm in my twenties and when I go to the local parish there are hardly any children. I don't know if its just thats not the mass that most of the families with children go to or what but it seems to me that catholics killed their own future by not having children.
@@johndenver6816 Not enough boys for sure. N.O. Catholic Churches are dying, they need to 'take who they can get'. Female ordination will probably happen in my lifetime, because no man wants to be associated with homosexuals and aging liberals.
@@derekr1013 the perfect storm.
I'm glad I finally found the FSSXP and my sons are learning to be altar boys.
When I was younger (8-17) I was a lector occasionally when needed. I’m horrified looking back now how people let me do something like that. For a while I even wanted to be a Eucharistic minister. I looked into it because I didn’t want to do anything shady and was horrified to see the reality.
I had an occasion to be summoned literally it was demanded of me under pain of the sin of ommission if I didn't read the narration of The Passion of our Lord so I put on my veil and my veil was covering my head AND my face and I felt so ridiculous but I did my best to give a humble narration voice so it's not to draw attention to myself. God forgive me.
@@lggardenia3929 please don't feel that way. Its not your fault--Christ sees your heart so stop worrying.
I used to be a Eucharistic Minister at the hospital for my church, it came into my conscious why this was wrong. My hands were unconsecrated and I was giving God in the hand where particles of God could be stepped on, I was not washing the case that I was carrying the proper way. I stopped and confessed this terrible sin in my heart. Now I see many of the laity helping and remember the story of Mary and Martha. I am choosing the better part, to serve Jesus.
The church has allowed female lectors.
Don't be scrupulous!
@@chriscampbell7895 again the church allows It. It's probably up to the discretion of your bishop. From the letters of Ignatius "To follow your Bishop Is to follow Christ" paraphrasing, but yeah, don't spread misinformation about this. (DISCLAIMER, I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR FEMALE LECTORS)
If Our Lord wanted women to be priests, he would have ordained His immaculate Mother as one. He didn’t. There is a reason why Blessed mother was not there during the last supper, when our dear Lord initiated the priesthood. We are to follow His will. The role of women is to follow Blessed Mother. Pray and be a mother . Be at the foot of the cross. Being a mother is the most beautiful thing a woman can do. Our Blessed Mother is the queen of the universe, highest among all the creatures- not by forcing her way to climb up, But by her humility and her resignation to the will of Almighty God.
This whole craving of some women to become priests is not because of their love for God. It is due to self love and pride. They don’t understand priesthood at all. A priest is in persona Christi . He is married to Holy mother church. Christ is the bridegroom. A woman can’t be a bridegroom. If you want to dedicate your life for Christ, be a nun. Remember all the great saints and doctors of the church who consecrated themselves to Christ by being His brides.
Amen. So true
Beautifully and perfectly said, thank you!
Some private revelations have the BVM being the first to receive the Blessed Sacrament from an angel of the Lord.
Not as to receive the mark of His Priesthood, but His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.
Very well said. Thank you!
Yes. I agree. They should be a nun if they really want to serve in the church . It makes me think that there are other motives behind their wanting to be deacons and priests.
Makes sense. I especially despise the way male pronouns have been removed from our hymns. Ridiculous
Yes, and we have even changed our grammar to appease the feminists. "To each their own".
Woke music music publishers and the politically correct people on the worship commission and parish council who purchase them.
Just the hymns themselves are bad enough without the added insult of "inclusiveness."
Sad that church bows to culture
Women cannot be Priests. The Church does not have the authority to allow women to be Priests. God "invented" the Priesthood and only He has "authorship" of this...not us. For more on this,I suggest you Google Christopher West on why the Church cannot allow women priests: also Dr. Peter Kreeft on the same subject. It clarifies A LOT....
I went to mass several weeks ago and due to no lectors, the priest read all readings. I really enjoyed it.
I do believe that the Holy Sacrifice of the Holy Mass should be handled by the priest celebrating the Mass can hold the attention of the Holy Mass
participants more effectively 🙏
That is how it is at the TLM the deacon or Priest does all the readings.
@@ectan6979 A.) The church has always operated under Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, whereas protestant schismatics like Luther (similar to modernist schismatics today) turned against Sacred Tradition, popes, Ecumenical Councils, etc, and devised Sola Scriptura, when in the first 500 years of the church, for example, Sola Scriptura was never taught and the TLM existed long before Trent, with most elements going back to Sacred Scripture.
B.) Vatican II "signatories" would not affirm that divine truth is in Sacred Tradition, and thus turned against the Council of Trent, the 4 papacies that spanned Trent, all the popes after Trent that concurred with this Council and the Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, councils and popes that Trent built upon in the hermeneutic of continuity.
C.) St. Sixtus 1 (c. 115): "The Sacred Vessels are not to be handled by others than those consecrated to the Lord."
Those who say they want to go back to the early church ignore the fact that women at the very beginning weren't allowed to be consecrated for this, nor allowed to touch sacred objects, nor allowed to do readings, all of which undoes what Pope Pachapapa wants for acolytes and lectors. And St. Paul wrote in the Sacred Scripture that women were to keep silent in the churches and not usurp authority over the man (1 Cor. 14: 34-35; 1 Tim 2:11-12).
The OT and NT are the same: Male priests, male High Priest (Aaron, etc) in the OT and later Jesus Christ, first High Priest of the NT in the order of Melchizedek, male priests only in the church. St. Paul only appointed male bishops, bishops then appoint male priests.
In other words, he was doing his job.
@@raymack8767 Great and informative post. Blurring lines, roles, distinctions is carried on like there's no tomorrow. Profane and sacred are considered by many to be two sides of the same coin. Hence, the complete disregard for anything that should be referenced and held sacred. The priest is just a minister. The altar is just a table. The host is just a chewable. This is destructive Deconstructionism. The flattening out of anything that makes for distinctions. It's funny how the left demands "diversity." But works assiduously to dismantle and eliminate it.
I am a Traditionalist Catholic woman. I have been a Traditionalist Catholic my whole life. My priority number one is to follow and commit to the traditional teachings of our beloved church. The law of God never, never, ever ever ever change just to fit the wicked agenda of most human beings who have been working 24/7 the law of God to fit their wicked agenda. I was not even born when they infiltrated the church. God bless you all.
Do you have any books you recommended?
@@zsareinapouliot9125 Trojan Horse in the City of God
Do you believe in concilio vaticano 2?
Too many men don’t go to church at all and aren’t the spiritual leaders in their homes. I would love to hear this priest do a homily praising both the male and female roles in the church and why we need both to imitate Christ. We know what’s wrong, now teach us what’s right!
Excellant... stop ignoring the elephant !!! Speak thru Your Priests oh Lord Your servants are ready to listen...i pray
Right. 90%of mass attendies in our cathedral are female :(
Yes men aren't fulfilling their God given responsibilities!
see if you can find something about this from Fr. John Riccardo in Detroit. He is excellent on this point.
Thank you for for caring about your vocation and and showing a fathers love by fearless teaching us the truth. We need all Priest to be like you.
If Jesus wanted woman to become a priest Virgin Mary wood been the first priest but on the contrary He had chosen 12 men. 🙏🙏🙏
I don't want to see women as priests, but there are a lot of things that Jesus didn't say, and that doesn't make something true or false.
@@nena200able so Jesus a male has the seed. A women doesn't have the seed. There is a deeper meaning of things. Jesus definitely spoke about it.
@@Lulue_90 If Jesus definitely spoke about it, do you mind sharing the Bible verse with me? Otherwise I can't understand where you're coming from. As far as I'm concerned, both men and women have seeds, but I don't think we're taking about sperms and ovums here. Jesus started the Church, therefore he's considered the seed, and he's also the head, but we are the body, and I repeat....I wouldn't want to see women ordained as priests, but if we're the body, it includes men and women, and I think women are meant for more than just sitting in a pew with their mouths shut. If some people think that female lectors and Eucharistic Ministers are something that will lead to women being ordained, then that's a problem for those who think that's the way it should be, but that doesn't make it right. The true leaders of the Church need to stand their ground and fight for reserving the priesthood for exclusively men, but that doesn't mean that the culprit of all of this are women lectors or Eucharistic Ministers. In these days, even if there were no women lectors, people would be pushing for the female ordination to the priesthood. Gay marriage is not permitted in the Catholic Church, and now we have certain heretical bishops and priests pushing forward in favor of it. So these busibodies inside the Church, trying to make female priesthood a thing, would have done the same now regardless.
Exactly!
@@nena200able and the reason why he didn't say many things in the Bible is due to the fact that Jesus knew the Church would need guidance in future so He told the apostles before He ascended into heaven "I will send you the Holy Spirit, who WILL teach you all things. Thereby providing for us in the future teachings, rubrics, disciplines, doctrines, dogmas for many generations centuries millennia to come.
“And Mary pondered all these things in her heart”
Not “Mary spoke of all these things with her mouth”
Newsflash! Mary TAUGHT the Apostles after the Ascension & Pentecost! That’s why she has the title, Queen of the Apostles!
@@donnabungo2516 lol you guessing too much
@@donnabungo2516 Our Lady's apostolic ministry was not necessarily through words and preaching. It would be contrary to St Paul's injunction that a woman is not allowed to speak in church or teach a man. Our Lady's humility permitted her to submit when she was superior. Apostles dont only preach in words. Her prayers and the good example of her holy life are other kinds of apostolic action.
@@gray_mara cope
Mari- I respectfully disagree strongly. We have plenty of examples of women saints WHO SPOKE UP AND SPOKE OUT. And none of them are modern saints. Mary pondering things in her heart was simply describing the inner life of faith. It’s not an example of ‘’women should remain silent IN CHURCH” (the in church part is important-you left that inference out). Women are not non-beings without the need to communicate, but it’s imperative to communicate The Gospel, male or female believer. Mary did so in many ways- including speaking.
I was a lector and an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion but something felt off. I never felt worthy. Thank you for this confirmation Fr. May God have mercy on us. 🙏🏼
Seeing a sanctuary dominated by women and by feminine energy, what sane male would want to be a priest and have to endure that all the time? When women invade traditionally male spaces, men flee. Both from the altar and from the pews.
@polemeros. Amen🙏
This is true but women don’t want to hear it
These are the very steps that the Anglican took to open the way to women “priests.”
@Richard Fox Apparently, you know very little about the Anglican Communion where most Anglicans do indeed venerate Mary. The word venerate means to honor, respect or revere someone or some thing.
@Richard Fox it’s too bad you feel like this since because the long history of christianity in England both Catholic and Anglican have always venerated the Virgin Mary. Needless to say, except the radical protestant Anglicans Who would be more comfortable following the extremist positions of some of the other protestant sects.
@Richard Fox and yet both Luther and Calvin venerated the Virgin Mary. If you doubt me, please check their writings!
@Richard Fox Well, we certainly don’t find the the words Holy Trinity in the Bible yet every orthodox Christian believes there is One God in three Divine Persons. We do find in the Bible the Angel Gabriel greeting Mary with the words, “Hail Mary full of grace or highly favored depending on the Greek translation) the Lord is with you” We also see in Like Elizabeth calling Mary “blessed are you among women” and in the same book Mary says of herself. , “ all generations shall call me blessed”. Lastly, Christians do not worship a book, not even the Bible. Interesting to note that the canon of the New Testament with its 27 books was only declared inspired and the true word of God in the fourth century by the authority of the Catholic Church. until that time they will over 200 new testament books all claiming to be the inspired word of God. None of which became part of the official canon.
This is why I shy away from charismatic prayer groups because women are taking over the sanctuary.
Where are the man. When i'm at church i see 90% woman. Where are the man, maybe you guys need to take matter in your own hands. Man should lead in the church not woman but where are they ?
I had no idea. I’m speechless. Much to think about.
Follow Fr James Altman and listen to him carefully he tells the truth,you may be more horrified but his Truth will put you on the right track.🙏
@@deirdra169, and I say follow Pope Francis, elected by the Holy Spirit. In my opinion Fr Altman has too much anger inside of him.
@@deirdra169yes he's pretty cool but Um but we're here Sensus Fidelium, hardcore truth, got to love them here!!!
@@deniseb4426 of course he has anger about the abuses in the Church because he is passionate about Jesus Christ and the Defamation of the Faith.he stands out a mile as being a warrior of Jesus.He speaks from the heart to the heart but you would only feel that if you yourself felt as passionate as him He knows the Truth and is not afraid to speak it.We are all being called to stand strong and to remain constant against a modern world ruled now by the Evil one that is so corrupt and desperately trying to take the prize ,namely Jesus Christ's Catholic Church .We are now all having to stand witness and of course the wheat is being sifted from the Chaffe. 🙏🙏
@@deirdra169, "He [Fr. Altman] knows the Truth and is not afraid to speak." Be careful because idolatry is a mortal sin. Priests take a VOW of obedience to the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. Pope Francis was elected by the Cardinals inspired by the Holy Spirit.
SADLY THERE ISN’T ENOUGH MEN WILLINGLY DO IT
Right . Or , the Men who are available, simply do not want to be a lector , etc.
Men aren't to be electors in the real Catholic trad mass. It the NOVUS ORDO blasphemous mass which had these Iay readers.
I recall at one Mass when the first reading of Genesis was being read and the female lector replaced “helpmate” with playmate... couldn’t have been a once-off mistake because helpmate was mentioned a couple of times in the paragraph. I doubt she had been properly Catechised. Compared to if there were minor orders - lectors and acolytes to carry out liturgical services they would have been more well formed.
Thankfully the priest emphasised during his homily that it should not have been playmate at all.
Hefner 3.16.
'Scuse me while I barf....
Sounds like someone was trying to be snarky with the lector. Then again, a helpmate can be helpful in the form of a playmate if the man behaving like a toddler is in need of one. 😄Help comes in many forms- we just need to follow God’s guidelines. 😁
Those slopes are very slippery, don't give an inch!
I wish I knew all of this. I was a Eucharist minister for 4 years in the 90s for my catholic college. Wish now I was not one
girl ....
@Marie Paukowits. Now you know!!
Repent
We must pray and do penance for our good priests, and for a *return to Tradition.*
Return to tradition and freedom to celebrate the Holy Mass in Latin in all corners of the world
At the N.O. I used to go, one of the women lectors is also a yoga instructor, the other one had an altar in her closet, and would keep a consecrated host for her own adoration. No such thing at the TLM!
@cnunex. That's horrifying
What in the…
Lord have mercy on us
No such thing at the Divine Liturgy of the Catholic Eastern Rites.
In a parish where i served as lector for 8 years, they used to assign readers just before the mass begin. Most of the time they dont deliver it well due to no preparation. Then the parish priest organized lectors group. Sadly only women were interested to join. Our priest taught us how to do our job properly and how not to cause distractions at mass. As a group coordinator i give the next readers their assignments a week before so they practice and understand what they will proclaim. So far we were doing our duties faithfully.
If it is faulty to give women any function in the church then priests and bishops must do their best to activate men in their parishes to participate. Or else the priest will do everything if no other "worthy men" interested to serve.
yes, the priest CAN read the readings. it's so odd to even discuss. The priest IS able to read.
Lillith arises again... and yet the Popes cannot discern?
I keep telling people that is the l*l*th spirit, those women are mostly possessed
The problem with lay lectors is that they are not clergy. Do away with lay individuals having an 'active' part in a religious service and there might not be a protestant service. Look at the Lutheran service.
No, because there isn’t a theological reason lay people can’t Lector.
Nor is there a juridical one anymore.
Which Lutheran Church? One allows this abomination and the other six strictly forbid it.
@@shellieperreault6262 Based on what is it an abomination? In the Catholic Church it is a matter of Sacramental discipline, not dogma. And that is not fixed and can be changed. there isn't a theological reason for this but a juridical one. Which is an issue of authority not dogma.
@@michaelspeyrer1264 Looks like a LACK of discipline then to me. 🤷♀️
@@gretahoostal8565 Yeah, see that thing is, you don't get to decide that.
What's happening in the Church that Jesus began? Women shouldn't be serving God as men do within the Church. It's not a woman's role. To me the sanctuary is Holy ground. It's only meant for the clergy in whichever rank they're in. It's not a woman's place.
The Induction
A rumor in the land the angels report.
There are many Christians who are inducted by the elites and don't even realize it. The psyche of the inducted is programmed, recorded and monitored. A disciple of God has the most powerful weapon no creature under heaven can match and that is the power of the Holy Spirit of God, the truth, His word, and the presence of His love.
At private schools, the top students attend a convocation where they are given nullification. There a rules in place to keep nullification from endangering others. At the convocation, they are baptized and inducted.
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The Hebrew people are the closest spiritually to the living God. He knows those who are His and established an everlasting covenant with His beloved people. The true Hebrews are the African Americans, Native Americans, those still in Africa along the west coast, Congo, Bantu, the Caribbean ect. They were scattered to the four corners of heaven. Any Gentile can be grafted into the covenant when they begin to keep His laws. Timothy was a beloved son in the faith and his name is written in heaven now.
The large hadron collider CERN is responsible for the thinning/lifting of the veil across the world. The elites want to release the adversary into the world. Nullification can also corrupt the bones of the deceased. Trust in God and He will deliver you.
Revelation 1:7
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
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To be honest woman had leading roles in Jesus ministry His Mother Mary Magdallen and others. Jesus never saw gender as a defining role why should men
Oh, please. Not a woman's place? I think woman know how to be reverent and are honored to be lectors. Especially if they read better than some men.
Maria, who cleans the floor of the sanctuary in your church? Who dusts in the sanctuary? Who irons and washes the finger towels and purificators, etc.
@@gemoftheocean Apparently, you're a liberal in the sense that women are equal to men in all areas. Women have a different role than men. The 12 apostles were all Male. They were given the authority of His Church to carry on with the tradition that He set forth at the pascual meal. Notice there weren't women present? Our Blessed Mother nor Mary Magellan weren't there. Don't you get it? Jesus had to literally show man how and what to do when He walked the earth. Nowhere, in the New Testament is noted that women had to be and do as men did. Women are equal to men in dignity. Read Genesis where God gave Adam and Eve each their ro le. This generation has been going against God's will for man. God have mercy.
New convert here, and my parish has women lectors, laity Eucharist givers (whatever that is called), and i have seen them literally walk up to the physical alter. It feels so crazy off to me. I have to attend a latin mass now that is 45 mins away, b/c i'm just tired of the world influencing churches everywhere
John 20:22 - Jesus only breathed on the male apostles, the first bishops, giving them the authority to forgive and retain sins. In fact, the male priesthood of Christianity was a distinction from the priestesses of paganism that existed during these times. A female priesthood would be a reversion to non-Christian practices. The sacred tradition of a male priesthood has existed uncompromised in the Church for 2,000 years.
1 Cor. 14:34-35 - Paul says a woman is not permitted to preach the word of God in the Church. It has always been the tradition of the Church for the priest or deacon alone (an ordained male) to read and preach the Gospel.
1 Tim. 2:12 - Paul also says that a woman is not permitted to hold teaching authority in the Church. Can you imagine how much Mary, the Mother of God, would have been able to teach Christians about Jesus her Son in the Church? Yet, she was not permitted to hold such teaching authority in the Church.
S.C. Apologetics
Oh what a calamity!! To see a woman in the holy sanctuary. Oh what calamity to see a woman dressed scantily, yes scantily, in high heels and short, very short skirts, in the holy sanctuary. I was one of them you know. Thank you Lord for you infinite mercy that you forgave me. I thank you my Lord for answering my prayers in leading me to a traditional church and the very holy priest.
So now we wonder why we the world is at the precipice of disaster. Wonder no more! Repent!
Great statement May
This priest always has wonderful sermons
Men need to step up!
I fear the Great Schism Our Lady speaks about in the MMP books is upon us. Let us ask Saint Michael to protect us .
I too fear a great schism like the one that had happened before. Separatists and loyalists factions
That was an extremely clear concise reason to give for not having female lectors and I would only hope that it is given in all seminaries but sadly I doubt it... praise God!
Pray for increased vocations to the priesthood.
That sadly won’t happen especially since soo many priests & nuns already left after V2
@@jackcraven8345 you can always pray... jeez no hope in you
@@josephjackson1956 my hope dropped after Francis indorse female deacon
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I agree but couple that with withholding money and to satisfy the obligation, give to specific things like flowers, food bank, purchase of candles etc. money speaks so use yours wisely
@@praytherosaryforpeace1204 Well, nobody should even be touching the Body of Christ with their hands. I don't know when or why that was ever allowed. A priest can minister the Sacrament to you by mouth, though.
A.) The church has always operated under Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, whereas protestant schismatics like Luther turned against Sacred Tradition, popes, Ecumenical Councils, etc, and devised Sola Scriptura, when in the first 500 years of the church, for example, Sola Scriptura was never taught and the TLM existed long before Trent, with most elements going back to Sacred Scripture.
Vatican II "signatories" would not affirm that divine truth is in Sacred Tradition, and thus turned against the Council of Trent, the 4 papacies that spanned Trent, all the popes after Trent that concurred with this Council and the Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, councils and popes that Trent built upon in the hermeneutic of continuity.
B.) 1.) St. Sixtus 1 (c. 115): "The Sacred Vessels are not to be handled by others than those consecrated to the Lord."
Those who say they want to go back to the early church ignore the fact that women at the very beginning weren't allowed to be consecrated for this, nor allowed to touch sacred objects, nor allowed to do readings, all of which affects what Pope Pachapapa wants for acolytes and lectors. And St. Paul wrote in the Sacred Scripture that women were to keep silent in the churches (1 Cor. 14: 34-35; 1 Tim 2:11-12).
Then Sacred Tradition enters...
2.) St. Basil the Great, Doctor of the Church (330-379): "The right to receive Holy Communion in the hand is permitted only in times of persecution."
St. Basil the Great considered Communion in the hand so irregular that he did not hesitate to consider it a grave fault.
3.) The Council of Saragossa (380): Excommunicated anyone who dared continue *receiving Holy Communion by hand.*
4.) This was *confirmed* by the Synod of Toledo.
5.) Saint Leo the Great read the sixth chapter of Saint John's Gospel as referring to the Eucharist (as all the Church Fathers did).
In a preserved sermon on John 6 (Sermon 9), Saint Leo says: "Hoc enim ore sumitur quod fide creditur" (Serm. 91.3). This is translated strictly as: “This indeed is received by means of the mouth which we believe by means of faith. "Ore" is here in the ablative and in the context it denotes instrumentation. So then, the *mouth* is the means by which the Holy Eucharist is received.
6.) The Synod of Rouen (650): Condemned Communion in the hand to halt widespread abuses that occurred from this practice, and as a safeguard against *sacrilege.*
Those who are amicable don't have a problem then after learning about this to start receiving on the tongue so as to try and help limit sacrilege, but the defiant types won't.
The Council of Rouen (650): “Do not put the Eucharist in the hands of any layman or laywoman but *only in their mouths.”*
7.) The 6th Ecumenical Council, at Constantinople (680-681): Forbade the faithful to take the Sacred Host in their hand, threatening transgressors *with excommunication.*
8.) St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274): "Out of reverence towards this Sacrament [the Holy Eucharist], *nothing touches it,* but what is consecrated; hence the corporal and the chalice are consecrated, and likewise the priest's hands, for touching this Sacrament." (Summa Theologica, Part III, Q. 82, Art. 3, Rep. Obj. 8.)
9.) The Council of Trent (1545-1565): "The fact that only the priest gives Holy Communion with his consecrated hands is an *Apostolic Tradition".*
@@praytherosaryforpeace1204 Why are you scared? What’s the difference between tongue and a hand except the external symbol. On hand is less reverent than on the tongue
Our Savior lives in the host.
You would reject Him because of your arrogance and conceit?
Excellent homily and great explanation about so much that's wrong in the Novus Ordo! I wonder what Father has to say about the so-called 'children's mass' where children essentially perform all the roles except priest.
i think children's masses are a dumb idea. except for the Lectionary. The Mass is already dumbed down too much
Thank you, Archbishop Lefebvre, Bishop De Castro Meyer, Bishop Carmona etc. for the preservation!!!
All schismatics.
@@michaelspeyrer1264 I was just reading Pascendi. Pope St. Pius X is accusing 99% of our modern prelates of being heretics. To be a faithful Catholic is to be labeled a “schismatic” by misinformed Catholics.
@P K NOpe, and nope. Sit on it an spin PK. You have no authority here.
But you DO have a massive ego problem.
@@michaelspeyrer1264 No longer schismatics, Benedict XVI has removed ex-communication against them.
@@martinusmahendra7492 Pope Paul VI removed the excommunication on the Greek Orthodox Patrarch, that doesn't mean the schism between the Roman Catholic Church and the Greek Orthodox Church is ended.
Therefore lifting an excommunication does NOT automatically resolve a schism. Your argument is therefore fallacious by hsitorical evidence that contradicts your premise.
As long as one rejects the Second Vatican Council one is not in communion with the Catholic Church. Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI, and Pope Francis have all reinforced this point, even in recent public statements and again in Tradionis Castodius.
I remember one of the first female lectors at the parish I grew up in. She had an angelic smile and voice, and seemed like such a saintly lady.
Here comes nursing school for me years later. My instructor suggests to me that I follow her for a procedure. (This lector lady is a nurse I find out.) She is testy, impatient, and rude to me and obviously doesn't want me there.
Obviously not the angel I thought she was. 😔
I believe that there is a divine grace that comes from God to the church when we obey scripture and tradition. Women lectors are not scriptural or in keeping with tradition. When I learned this...I stepped down.
I thankfully did not lector for very long. The priest presides over the mass.. if there are no men to read....please dear priests....do the readings. If you have prayed and read over the readings already, dear priests you are called...
Be our shepherds and make the mass truly the source and summit of our faith🙏
We are at our Lords passion. I beg you to be our holy example of reverence and piety✝️🙏✝️
Yes we should have more women teaching each other home making skills or taking care of the children. Women’s fellowship groups; so many wonderful things women can organize.
@elizabethlawrence. I absolutely agree!!
And where are the MEN. As leader of lectors for about 30 years, I have found absolutely no interest among males in joining the ministry, composed of 80 % women.
They don’t even attend church anymore; ( as long as the wife attends they’re fine)
Too many husbands say "my wife goes for the both of us". My dad used to say that. I pray for his soul.
@lourdes badillo. May I suggest going to the traditional Latin mass.
Also, they may think, "It appears to be woman' work, so ..". Perhaps if women remembered their place in the liturgy, men would see the need to step up. I, of course, say this with all respect to women and I understand their essential role as mother's, wives, and queens of their households.
@@soldier8304 If men only were lectors, more would be willing to perform this sacred duty. Men typically do not want to be involved with activities overseen by women.
Men don't want to be involved with activities led or dominated by women, that is because y'all gossip too much and make the whole environment feel different, it's almost like a chore y'know.
Why does the seed analogy only apply when the readings are read by a woman? Please explain. I'm genuinely seeking to understand.
And I totally agree with this video. 👍🏻😌
Since you are keen to follow "traditions" it is worth noting that, (I quote) "The early church considered Mary Magdalene an “apostle to the apostles,” and Luke relied heavily on the testimony of women as he wrote both Luke and Acts.
The involvement of women continued in the first few decades of the church, attested by both biblical and extra-biblical sources. A number of women served as leaders of the house churches that sprang up in the cities of the Roman Empire-the list includes Priscilla, Chloe, Lydia, Apphia, Nympha, the mother of John Mark, and possibly the “elect lady” of John’s second epistle.
In the 2nd century, Clement of Alexandria wrote that the apostles were accompanied on their missionary journeys by women who were not marriage partners, but colleagues, “that they might be their fellow-ministers in dealing with housewives. It was through them that the Lord’s teaching penetrated also the women’s quarters without any scandal being aroused. We also know the directions about women deacons which are given by the noble Paul in his letter to Timothy."
Was that perhaps the role of Junia? She was mentioned by Paul in Romans 16 as “of note among the apostles.” Some have debated the meaning of this verse, but early tradition holds that Junia was a woman and was considered an apostle. John Chrysostom wrote: “Indeed, to be an apostle at all is a great thing; but to be even amongst those of note; just consider what a great encomium that is...Oh, how great is the devotion of this woman, that she should even be counted worthy of the appellation of apostle."
While I hope NEVER to see female priests in the Catholic churh, I find the title of this video both discriminating and off-putting.
It is certainly possible that there are females in the church who want 'career', who want to be noticed, who want somehow to 'compete with men'. But -- have there not been men in the Church who were more interested in climbing the ranks than truly serving God? Have there not been men who lacked humility and sincere dedication to priesthood?? The problem is not the "women" - the problem is the problem.
If you want to follow tradition, go back to early Church times and you will find plenty of examples of women who served Christ passionately. Paul also mentions Phoebe in Romans 16, “a deacon of the church at Cenchreae.” He calls her a prostatis or overseer - one who presided over the Eucharist.
We can truly be thankful for these early women leaders and countless other females who served in the way they felt called to do so.
So - to exclude women so rigidly and categorically from even reading in Church.... well, at this point, you might as well be a Muslim and require that all women be veiled from head to foot.
That has little to do with faith, and very much to do with the traditions and ideas of men.
@JesusRulez-l3j exactly.... the ideas of men.
dangit, Sensus, you're going all in w/ this topic and i admire you for that!
;D
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TODAY SUNDAY FEB 14TH TWO WOMEN CAME TO MY HOUSE, ( 3 SENIOR CITIZEN HERE IN MY HOUSE) BROUGHT HOST FOR COMMUNION, WILLING WOMEN TO DRIVE IN THE SNOW , COLD SACRIFICING TO NURSING HOMES , HOUSES TO HOUSES , VERY SOLEMN , THEY FOLLOW WHAT THE PARISH PRIEST WANTED THEM TO DO , WE PRAY FIRST BEFORE THE COMMUNION, I FEEL THAT I WAS IN THE CHURCH , AFTER LIVE STREAMING THE MASS , AND GIVE THEM AN ENVELOPE TO BRING TO THE CHURCH
I am women - strong women -NO to women in liturgy God bless us
Very logical presentation. I believe what Christ requires for correction of the church is our asking him in prayer, fasting, and suffering offered through Mary. Mary pray for us.
The church is suppose to influence society. Not the other way around.
The Novus Ordo is NOT Catholic.
If you go to the traditional Latin Mass you don't have to worry about lay people invading the sanctuary. Only ordained deacons and altar BOYS serve the priest.
All I can say is Amen 🙏🏻 I’m turning 66 years old and I have watched the church progress into what is going on now. I truly believe that we are at the beginning of the chastisement. God help us all 🙏🏻♥️☦️♥️🙏🏻
Christ is male, his victors must be male, who lead and sacrifice for his bride the Church. Woman have their natural and divine gifts that should nature the children of the Church. When we lose either the balance is off and all suffer, as we are now
Each Person of the Blessed Trinity is male.
bring back the Traditional Catholic Latin Mass .....................now
The holy see has the sole authority to name the liturgy through the bishops.
we must all keep on praying that Pope Francis has a change of heart in regards to Traditional Sacred ways, God can touch those that humans cannot
Pray for the conversion of the Pope!
I am a woman, EMC, a Monsignor taught, we women to not wear sleeveless dresses, appropriately covered cleavage, appropriate length skirts or dresses, not to wear bling, hats, proper shoes, or anything that draws attention, when being a lector or serving the Holy Eucharist🙏🏼
Many times, women are inappropriately dressed.
@dhana waken. You shouldn't be on the altar or distributing Holy Communion at all.
The problem with women lectures is the same problem that afflicts the Catholic Church: the feminization of a once-vibrant and virile force for good in the world has been reduced to flaccid impotence and dithering indecisiveness.
Our bishop has a female Master of Ceremonies. Doesn't look right and a female can't be a master only a mistress.
just go to TLM
I used to lector and I must admit I loved it. I was able to attempt to communicate the deep love I had for God’s word and the weight of it through reading properly. I never would appear at the podium in pants but only a skirt. I do believe that the Lord has different roles for men and women but all are necessary and good. I no longer lector, but I do miss it. It’s not a competition but a note in the song.
I have a question. What about women as cantors or singing in the choir. Should they not be singing? Sorry for my ignorance.
Our Lord had no problem with giving a woman a role in announcing his Resurrection
Our Blessed Lord had no problem with only women being at the foot of His cross after being crucified.
@@ednabehnke5869 John the Evangelist was not a woman.
Why does the Church allow anyone but the priest or a deacon to do the readings?
Vatican 1 - Latin Mass is what I attend.
Since when is the priest suddenly unable to read the Epistle and Gospel?
It is more appropriate that the clergy that are sitting down in the Sanctuary should read in the Ordinary Form. Or if there are two Deacons beside the Priest one of them should go up and read.
Anyone who profanes the Eucharist doesn't believe in the Presence.
yes feminist destroying everything
So what comes to mind for me, Fr Ripperger and other Senses Fidelium broadcasts mention the Pope who overheard a “conversation” between Our Lord and satan & Jesus granted the devil himself 100 yrs to destroy the church. So, did that Pope who did away with the lower offices of the priesthood, fall into that 100 yrs? If so, can we not take back our church and reinforce the true steps? Also another question, Our Blessed Lady has a definitive role in our church. Might we explore what She and the Magdalene were permitted to do through & for our Lord Christ? Forgive me, I’d like us to take back our Church and help in this “fight” for peace. I say my rosary and my prayers. I would like to understand what we can do with this information. Men and Women were meant to be together. Adam be and Eve fell into sin and were redeemed through Our Blessed Lady and Jesus. Can we not look to that relationship of respect, love and purity as an example for our laity and ministry? Forgive me if I overstep and yet this wrong of Russia must be corrected and dealt with. How do we do so with the Holy Spirit as our guide? Thanks for listening...
Due to illness, I had to attend a Novus Ordo parish over the summer. I attended daily and I never saw a male Lector. It seems that men have been barred from reading at mass
Thank you!
I agree completely.
Thank you for that great explanation.
I don't even like Eucharist ministers esp woman Sorry dont much like the new Mass but am grateful for it since I can receive Jesus & hear His word. I miss my FSSP parish . We must pray..
Ok,so if women or even children can preform this role, why do I not see nuns doing so. Why would a lay people be more anointed to a holy place than a religious? Really, seminarian individuals need to fill these roles.
Can women sing in the choir at holy mass? God has given me this gift, and I feel called by Him to use it for this purpose. What about leading the rosary before mass? Or teaching religious ed classes?
Yes. At my Parish, the Sisters lead the Choir and most of the young women sing in our Choir, along with some of the young men.
Rosary before mass should only be lead by a man. Teaching religious ed at my Parish is done for the children by the Sisters and adults are taught by the Priest. Women have their own groups to encourage each other and the men have our own groups for the same. But we do not mix them.
@@lilyw.719 @Lily W. who claimed we aren't allowed to mix? I was talking about our own groups for encouraging each other, apostalates. We still have potlucks and hang out with the whole parish and amongst ourselves. Not sure how you got anything from that.
The hostility coming from you is a little strange, since you asked the questions and I simply answered with how my Parish does it and it is traditionally supposed to be done this way. Rosary before mass in the Sanctuary should not be led by a woman, but a man.
The Sisters do lead the children in our Parish School for prayers in the sanctuary and that is okay.
Women can lead prayer with children and teach children, I never said they couldn't, so again not sure when I said women couldn't teach children.
Women teach their children to obey the rules, and men are asked to enforce what the woman has lain down. If a woman cannot obey the rules, how could she even expect the man to enforce them? Daughters of Eve indeed lead a man into sin. They call it impudence what Eve was chiefly guilty of for daring to eat the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. Singing in a choir, for example, might be a cause for further reflection on the music in the liturgy. It might also be a calling to a more contemplative life like St. Therese. Religious sisters do sing among themselves in prayer, and it is a wonderful thing to be among likeminded contemplatives.
Eph. 4:11-14 - God gives members of the Church various gifts in order to attain to the unity of the faith.
Hi. Can anyone answer me? Is it wrong that I read in church? I am a cradle Catholic and I like TLM, but unfortunately there's no TLM near me. I sometimes read in church, but I don't have any aspirations to become deaconess or priestess or something like that. I receive the Holy Communion only on my tongue, kneeling as often as I can. There are no lay people giving Communion here, only priests and deacons can do that. There are no females serving at the altar. Altar boys are called that way with a reason. Our two church choirs are lead by nuns, only instrument they use are organs. Not all Novus Ordo churches are totally modernised. God bless you and keep striving for holiness. Christus vincit!
*"priestess"* -- That is Paganism. *"Novus Ordo"* -- Is it Catholic (universal), around the world? If not it is not the Way. Latin Mass, English Mass, German Mass, Mass in French it makes no difference as the Mass is perpetual. The Eucharist Makes Present Jesus’ One Eternal Sacrifice. Luke 22:19; 1 Cor. 11:24-25 - the translation of Jesus’ words of consecration is “touto poieite tan eman anamnasin.” Jesus literally said “offer this as my memorial sacrifice.”
The word “anamnesis” (remembrance) also refers to a sacrifice which is really or actually made present in time by the power of God, as it reminds us of the actual event (Heb. 10:3; Num. 10:10). It is not just a memorial of a past event, but a past event made present in time. Every Mass is the one Mass, the last supper and the crucifixion.
All Catholic priests are ordained by the laying on of hands, the unbroken link that goes way back to the apostles, therefore every Mass celebrated by an ordained priest is valid.
Acts 1:22 - literally, “one must be ordained” to be a witness with us of His resurrection. Apostolic ordination is required in order to teach with Christ’s authority.
Acts 6:6 - apostolic authority is transferred through the laying on of hands (ordination). This authority has transferred beyond the original twelve apostles as the Church has grown.
If a Catholic Church has members who do not participate in duties that are required to sustain that Church God will close that Church swiftly as He warned in the Book of the Apocalypse _if you do not repent, I shall come to you and take your lampstand from its place_ Rev 2:5
@@D0csavage1 Thank you for this elaborate answer. I only mentioned that word "priestess" to show that I don't have aspirations to become one, I know that priestesses are present in paganism. So repulsive. I attend Novus Ordo Mass, Catholic, in my language.
God bless and keep the FSSP. We don't have to be vexed with blasphemy daily.
The pope has lost his Catholicism
Did he ever have it?
Yes, we must continue to pray for minor orders of our Catholic Church.
Great history lesson. One major point missed. Mary Magdalena, the Apostle to the Apostles, the first witness to the resurrection who is chosen by Christ to PROCLAIM the Gospel to the Apostles.
There is nothing wrong with women reading out the readings at Mass
Note: if this was the previous Vatican 2 mass, there would be no Old Testament readings...and no homily
"...no Old Testament reading...no homily...?"
You don't know anything about the pre-Vatican II Latin Mass, do you?
And, Mary Magdelein passing on one piece of information to the Apostles hardly makes her another apostle.
Legitimate question: some people make the argument that women were deacons in the early church. I understand that this is overly simplified and misconstrued to make terrible arguments for women priesthood, but is it true that women in the early church DID assist with things like baptism?
On another note, a pet peeve I have of lectors in general is when they vocally dramatize the readings. It's so distracting and tends to actually convey the reader's personal interpretation of how Scripture should be read. Women lectors tend to do this more, so for that reason alone, I think there shouldn't be women lectors (among many other reasons).
Never understood the value of the laity serving as lectors. Many of them have difficulty with pronunciation and its an unnecessary detraction. Laity belong in the pews on their knees and as a layperson, I want no distraction from that. That’s where my greatest contribution lies.
I pray that we don’t have a great schism again.
“Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.”
Romans 12:9-18 NIV
Michael Voris has said, "With all due respect, and with apologies to women, they've been ordaining women for years."
The problem that I have with this video is not the content, but what's missing. Certainly the offices which had been designated as minor orders operate as an echo and introduction to the priesthood, but what's at stake is the identity of the priesthood, and therefore its introduction and echo, as male. It is this maleness, and correspondingly the complementary femaleness, which is central to the discussion, because God created Man in His image, in His likeness He created him, male and female He created them. God is Father, creator, initiator, saviour, redeemer, protector, builder, Who pours Himself out for His Bride. The Church is His Bride, who responds to Him, receives Him, welcomes Him, becomes fruitful by and for Him, and raises sons to Him to reflect Him in the world. It is by being clear and unapologetic about Man's nature, identity, dignity, and destiny that liturgical questions naturally find their resolution.
the problem with female lectors is that ANY WOMAN ON THE ALTAR OFFENDS OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST !!!! and I have no problem with Him feeling that way, would YOU ?
Ah, then I guess in your parish the men scrub the sanctuary and dust, ditto iron the purificators and finger towels, are the only ones who help count the money. LoL sure
This priest is speaking Truth!! The next question is obviously - did the “pope” excommunicate him?
God’s Church is composed of individual temples of The Holy Spirit, who live and have their being in Him, with one High Priest - Jesus. Also read Galatians 3:28
Ohhh no...not this. Learn your history, you'll see the Catholic Church dates back to the apostles and that the Bible is not the only source of truth. Christ said that there will be truths revealed later. If they can't be found in the Bible, then where? Come to the catholic church.
In the Gospel of John, Jesus actually appears to Mary Magdalene alone after his Resurrection, and instructs her to tell his disciples of his return (John 20:1-13) There is no where in the Bible that depicts Jesus down grading women. He loved and respected the women in his life. He chose his disciples to be men because men physically are stronger and he knew that they would encounter violence but please don’t diminish the value of women or how they are not good enough to serve God. We are all created in God’s image. Also let me point out that before the 11th Century Priests were allowed to be married that just goes to show you that along the way it was men not God changing the rules. God loves us all men and women.
This is why I started going to Latin mass exclusively… Well one reason there are so many more..God Bless the SSPX!
They told us is was because of the shortage of priests and the laity had to help more.
There are tons of ways the laity help the Church! They don't have to overstep just because the priest says it's alright. Do your own due diligence and inform yourselves what is permitted by the True Catholic Church,.
Try to get a 1st edition of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
And other good books on the Mass.
In a church I went to, 1,200 families, we got a new Pastor. He said he wanted everyone to be in Communion together.( He also liked to do things quickly.)
All of a sudden we had between 12 to 14 extra ordinary ministers! And of course at least 90- 95 % women.
This was just not necessary! He's changed the Church a lot 😦
BTW, that's extraordinary ministers per Mass.
Extraordinary ministers are supposed to be EXTRAORDINARY, used in special occasions! Not like they use them these days.
Wow!
This is a perfect explanation
The saddest part of these comments is that they are riddled with prejudice against women as women and having nothing to do with theology of the body or vocation of women.
I think most are goodhearted, just frustrated in the perversion of liturgy. The sentiment you give, though, is still a valid one, of which you can see in many of these comments.
Perhaps, as you mentioned about Jesus not having an issue with women being involved in church ministry is not the issue at hand. You mentioned Mary Magdalene. How about our Blessed Mother? The mother of the Lord. She plays a great part in her son's ministry in a different role. Women, have a role in Jesus'ministries as wives, mothers, CCD teachers. Remember, in Genesis, God gave the woman her role. There's no mention there that she was also going to have an "extra" role as with the clergy. Jesus' apostles were men. Mary Magdalene " hung around", if I may. Jesus was a devout Jew. The Jewish clergy were all male. He didn't mention then that women should be doing the clergy's role. We as women have already been given a role by God Himself. Enough, of this women , feminist rights. Do God's Will. Exercise the role that He he gave us. I have 9 children. I practiced my role as a mother as was given to Eve I. Genesis.
Latin Mass is about God. Novus Ordo is about my feelings!
@JesusRulez-l3j exactly
Can you make a video in anticipation of the introduction of lay extraordinary ministry of preaching LEMP? While in principle deaconess not restored but in practice such role of LEMP appear to be female deaconate
Avoid all things Vatican II
Why do women want to take on a male role. Thank God for the SSPX.0