TCU wins on a walk-off strikeout, a breakdown
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The batter still had to run it out, so it's not like he did nothing. He might've struck out, but he did his part in making the walkoff happen.
I’m here for this one. No hustle no rushed bad throw no walk off win.
@@DennisCarmodysame 🙏🏽
Good on number 20.
Exactly ever thought the base runner did most of the work. The hustle of the guy made the play happen, especially since he ran into the first baseman
@@CoutureThugFB was not positioned to catch the throw. I don’t think he was focused on the play before it came his way. He was in the wrong side of the base runner’s path, and by the time the ball was thrown, the base runner’s body possibly blocked his view of a not-great throw. If he had been paying attention, he would have been shifted a few feet to his right to make the play.
"Just gotta strike em out. Nothing could possibly go wrong"
Nooooooo!!!!
Baseball breakdowns are back, the world is healing
Art. Baseball can be a freaking work of art.
Definitely not obstruction. 1B shows outside, runner goes inside to provide space for a play, catcher throws inside… had he moved lanes late or ran outside if the baseline it would be different.
Came here to say this as well. It was all on the catcher. He should've just held the ball due to the angle he had to throw to first. He didn't have time to step inside or outside which helped contributing to the bad throw. That runner meant nothing at all.
@@dannycole125 Exactly; his first thought should have been on the runner at 2nd the moment the ball passed him. Kid believed he could end the game with his arm and got burnt.
Additionally, the ball's late. If the universe turned off clipping for the two people, the runner is still safe at first, because even the first baseman reaches through the runner, he can't get the ball. If anything, it's some kind of illegal obstruction by the first baseman. Heads up play from the guy who throws home. He did his best to salvage the mess.
The only way this was obstruction is if the first baseman was deemed to have halted the batter-runner's ability to go to second base. Since the batter-runner didn't even attempt it and he would have easily been thrown out without the contact, there's no way obstruction would have been called.
Yeah you guys are confusing obstruction and interference
Jon Gruden face aghhh 😂
Crazy accurate too
Legendary quote
Can't unsee now
The Gruden edit was art.
I just had to deep dive into the dropped third strike rule. What an interesting read, highly recommended.
Read the no 1 New York Times bestseller: DROPPED 3RD STRIKE RULE.
Critics are calling it "Riveting" and "A Great Read"
@@Fryed_Bryce Yeah because he didn't bat in anybody. It's such a weird rule but I think it makes some crazy final moments when it does benefit the batter, but rarely does it ever that I don't think it's worth changing.
@@blindfire3167 that was the opinion of one of the articles I read. Basically it’s not disruptive and everyone understands what’s happening even if they don’t know all the rule entails.
The most interesting part was its relationship to the strike out, they essentially were created together.
the basic theory applies that the defense has to be in possession of the ball for the offense to be out. there are rare cases where a batted ball touches a runner, you have offensive interference and spectator interference. all which involve the changing the course of a play which basically means you messed with the defense’s chance to be in possession of the ball to put you out
It only applies if there are 2 outs or if first bass is open.
Regarding the review and safe call, it almost certainly would have been for interference at first. The ball hitting the runner has NOTHING to do with it. It's whether the runner interfered with the fielder's ability to make the play, which he did not, because the throw was off line. If the ball hits the runner then that's just one of the ways he could interfere with the fielder. Running into him is exactly the same. The consideration is whether it stops the fielder from making the play. That's it.
And yeah, this was definitely the right call. Good heads up play and hustle by both runners. Catcher should have eaten that ball, with the winning run at third. Just reset and get the next batter.
The catcher should have instead thrown to the pitcher covering home and then try to get him in a rundown or run him back to third.
@@AEMoreira81 Runner wouldn't have gone home if catcher had eaten the ball. He was given a stop sign. He only ran home because of the botched play at first. If the catcher eats the throw or throws it to the pitcher covering home then he obviously doesn't run.
Excellent explanation
Throw should be on foul side of bag. Even if late or if it pulls 1B off the bag, the return throw home would probably catch runner-or keep him at third.
@@MwD676 I think that's why they didn't try to call interference on the runner. He established his lane, stuck to it, and made no attempt to interfere with the throw. The catcher just threw it to the wrong side of the bag, and/or didn't just hold the ball like he should have.
That's a new one for me lol
the beauty of baseball
Had the batter not swung, the count would have been 3-2, and if there was still a passed ball, the runner would have been able to get to third easily. So man on third, 3-2 count, and TCU would still be alive. Baseball is a game of endless possibilities.
Catcher messed up twice. Fumbled the ball, then didn't hold onto it even probably knowing the throw wouldn't be in time. Should've kept it to stop the runner from 2nd going home
I think from his angle he didn't see the runner
Also threw a fucking meatball to second allowing the SB.
I stand by it being a foul tip at .25x
@@chichiboo17 not a foul tip if the catcher doesn't control it. But I get what you're saying. If it contacts the bat, it's a foul ball and the runner stays on 2nd.
Personally I don't see the ball change direction until it contacts the catcher's mitt.
3:30 when Jomboy's hat selection is colour coordinated with the mascot's arms
Florida man snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. Gotta love baseball.
Gruden face absolutely demolished me haha
John Gruden face LMFAO!!!
Question from a cricket fan slowly learning baseball - had the catcher not messed up and caught the strike clean would the batter just be sent off and unable to run? I'm guessing the win came from the catchers mistake? Quick thinking on the runners part as well.
Since it was strike three, the batter would have been out and it would have been the third and final out to end the 9th inning. They would have then had to go to extra innings. Baseball has this weird rule if the catcher doesn't catch the ball on strike three (either wild pitch or pops out of his glove), the batter can make an attempt to get to first base. Usually the batter gets thrown out, but when they don't it's great. 😁
If the catcher caught the strike the inning would've been over and the game would've gone onto to extra innings. Since the catcher missed the catch of the third strike the batter has the right to make a run for first base. Normally they don't get there and are tagged or thrown out at first but in this case the throw to first was on the wrong side and everything fell apart
as discussed by some other comments... the point of the rule is the defense must have positive control of the ball at the end of an inning for the inning to end in the defenses favor. since the catcher dropped the ball, no one on the defense has the ball, so the offense is not out.... "yet". once the catcher retrieves the ball, all other rules are now viable for getting the out. the weirder part is how this is recorded for the pitcher versus how it is recorded for the defense
@@grondhero Thanks a lot that makes sense. Same as cricket then, if the wicket keeper (catcher) fumbles the ball the batters can still run but I guess it's more high reward in Baseball. Like you said, great to watch a high risk/high reward play work out!
@@Prince19912Nice, good to see the batter and runner take full advantage of the mistakes.
@1:32 TCU using the same see-through Nike pants the pros get to wear!
The catcher missed it because his glove was on the ground when the pitch was thrown. Some call it "framing". Today it was called "losing the game".
If you play it at .25x it looks like there was a very small foul tip. Take a look
I saw the Rangers do this against the Mariners about 15 years ago. I think Nelson Cruz struck out and Mitch Moreland scored from second.
Mitch Moreland…now that’s a guy I haven’t thought about in a while
@@Lonesurvivor256 Easy guy to root for
I was going to say Moreland only came up ten years ago and then I realized it actually has been almost 15 years 😅
September 29, 2010, Dan Cortese pitching
He scored from first, even! And it was a wild pitch instead of a passed ball. Otherwise it was exactly the same as this. Bottom 9th, 2 outs, 5-5. 1B set up on the foul side of the bag but the throw went to the fair side. But 1B was more heads-up and avoided colliding with Nelly. Thank you for remembering this!
FGCU was also up like 7-2 or 9-3 in the 6th or 7th inning.
That mascot is squatting the team.
I love college baseball Jomboy, let’s keep this up through the season!!! Gotta see my Arkansas Razorbacks in a breakdown this year
Catcher must've forgot it was a fastball coming 🤣🤣
1:07 one of the strangest ways to celebrate with a teammate who scored the winning run I’ve seen in a while. You run up to him, scream in his face, then have multiple teammates shove him after that. 🤨
Jomboy !!! Baseball fun and entertaining. How , when , where.
JOMBOY!!
It's not obstruction, the base line belongs to the runner. And he ran right down the white line. So as a catcher you need to throw that ball to the right side of the runner in foul ground, not back across his body, which makes the fielder "obstruct" the runner making him automatically safe due to the collision even if he would have caught it. Because then as the runner you are just going to steam roll him because he is now in your running lane.
“Jon Gruden face” had me rolling. 😂😂😂
The guy who scored is Peyton Chatagnier, the same guy who stole home from first on a pick off at Ole Miss.
Pitcher probably put more into that fastball than normal and it messed up the catchers timing since it was also high.
the gruden face overlay was majestic
Think the pitcher missed the sign because that catcher doesn't usually miss fastballs
The runner-batter looked to be on the base prior to the ball arriving. Fair play.
Plus, the FB, in moving from outside to inside (L->R), was standing over the bag, blocking the runner.
@@MarcosElMalo2 if the umpires had called obstruction on 1B, they would have had to disallow the run, since it happened before the runner crossed the plate!
Umpire ejected needs a breakdown
Jomboy, if you're looking for clips, during the UCLA at TCU game on Saturday, a ball hit the official out by 2nd base and knocked him down. Might be good for laughs.
My wife and I watched that game (the series, too). I was hoping something would catch Jomboy's eye!
Glory to God! Go Frogs! ✝🐸
I remember the Yankees once lost that way and I was just angry. That's minus the controversial part discussed in this video.
2:03. Jomboy does his 267,873rd baseball video and still doesn't understand interference vs obstruction. I think we'd have a better chance getting people to learn Einstein's general theory of relativity than we would at interference vs obstruction.
PB, E2 is a pretty tough way to lose and a long night for the catcher.
Yo that pitcher literally got the Job Done! Haha
1) Obstruction is on the defense. You are thinking Interference.
2) this is a no call because of the bad throw by C.
John gruden face. Awesome!
That noodle-arm throw to home is what killed it.
There was a high school team in Kentucky that lost a game like this but still threw a no hitter..
@jomboy this is on ur basketball playlist
Ain't baseball wonderful! Heads up running by TCU's guys
Catcher missed the catch, recovered, threw to FIRST. Hitter only needed ONE base, winning run needed TWO. So the best odds play would be to hold the winning run at third and take chances with another batter. Instead, catcher gambled on ending the inning at first, lost the gamble, lost the game. (Yes, seeing these plays in real-time is immeasurably harder than on replay, but that's supposedly why they get an annual salary in excess of most people's lifetime earnings ';o)
Those odds are debatable. If you make the throw, the game goes to extra innings. Having a runner at 3B is a dice roll, especially when you JUST threw a ball to the backstop.
This wasn’t a major league game. No one in this clip is earning big money.
@@bernier42 Debatable? First off, the pitch wasn't too wild. If anything it should have been a passed ball, not a wild pitch. Pitcher didn't throw anything to the backstop. The catcher didn't catch. Second of all, in baseball, you're considered successful if you get out 70% of the time. That means barring another passed ball, there's a 70% chance to get the next guy out, even if they're good. Worse case you walk the person and get the same exact odds. The odds of not getting 2 guys would be around 9%. Where's the debate?
@@bernier42 Given that the catcher had to chase the ball, the odds of recovery in time to throw out the runner at first are very slim. The safe play is to hold the winning run at third, contain the situation and regroup for better odds of getting the last out. He chose the low-percentage gamble and his team paid the price.
@@LemonStirThe WORST-CASE SCENARIO is that you walk the guy? Step aside.
It would be interference, not obstruction. I don't know the college rules for runner's interference, but at least in MLB I think it's not interference as the runner would have beat the throw anyway.
I'm with him on the John Gruden face, I'd feel like I still failed....I'm successfully failing and it doesn't feel good, but it's also not bad....just John Gruden face :/
I figured that the catcher would of drilled the batter runner in the back. Easy obstruction call.
Jon Gruden face was perfect. 😆😆
It looked like runner raised his elbow into the 1b. Went back and watched a couple times and it looks like the 1b moved his glove towards the runners chest before the elbow came up. The review was def on interference and Im sure that was along the lines of what they decided on it.
This is the only baseball I watch. Would’ve be mad if you mixed-in Jai Alai alongside the Cricket content
Good baseball right there.
An even cooler outcome would have been if the second baseman would have flipped the ball to first and got the runner out on the turn. 😮 With the contact on the play that would be an ump’s worst nightmare. Fun for us though.
Wish they had the entire comeback tcu scored like 6-7 runs in the final 3 innings to win I was so invested because it was the last team I needed to hit a 9 leg parlay
Any fellow Ole Miss: The Season enjoyers - #1 is indeed Peyton Chatagnier who transferred to TCU.
This used to be a case of runner's interference, but I'm to understand the runners lane has been modified to include 3 feet into fair territory which would make the runner within his rights...
Only in pro and high school. In NCAA they still use the lines to define the lane.
The Texas Rangers did the same thing last year.
Obstruction is something the fielding team does. Interference is the correct term for a runner. Assuming colleges have the same rule as MLB (I'm not sure that's the case), the runner is required to run in the lane. It has nothing to do with where the first baseman is or where the throw is. However, the throw must also have a reasonable chance to retire the runner to merit interference. If the throw were on time, this would have been interference.
i vehemently disagree, the runner was in his lane the entire time, leaving ample time for the throw to be inside or outside. it would have been an umpires desicion as it happens so many times in the MLB and generally when the the fans and players DISAGREE is when we get breakdowns and horrible highlights, benefit of the doubt should be given to both sides, which can sometimes end up being just a bad call by the ump
@@vissermatt1058 There is no "his lane", there is only the three-foot lane marked on the outside of the basepath. The runner is required to be in that lane for its entire marking (the second half of the path), except for the last step to reach the base. This runner was never in that lane.
NCAA rules additionally allow RLI to be called if the batter-runner's be outside the lane alters the throw. But this did not apply here because the catcher had a clear throwing path to the base.
That's exactly why they changed the rule in MLB this year. Runner's lane now goes to the infield grass instead of the foul line. I don't know what the rule is in college. I imagine it's the same old rule?
It's the same old rule
Never seen that kind of walk off and that gruden edit lmaooo
Trying to decide who was less accurate, the pitcher or the catcher
I like these short ones
Catcher was set up low, and ready to block. probably expecting another off speed. Then the FB came high...
I witnessed a Cameron Maybin walk-off Golden Sombrero at an Angels Dodgers game.
Are we not going to talk about how umps have balls of steel, if the catcher is even .1 seconds slower than the ump eats that pitch.
This is on the catcher jomboy
"Gruden face". Pure gold! What is going on with that oven mitt the base-runner is wearing?
They're a stiff glove so that your fingers don't jam & break when sliding into a bag
@@bradwurst8141 and so that you have an extra couple inches to touch the bag sooner
Strikeout RBI its a beautiful thing
So the "right play" there is for the catcher to eat it and protect home right?
Yes, or pump fake to see if the runner on 2nd bites, but you never throw late down the line.
Base runner should have mad it with easy. With 2 outs and 2 strikes you should be running on the swing, not moving back towards the base
This was cool the first few times it happened
Normally we blame the pitcher for walkoff plays but this time we should blame the catcher
poor number 20 looked so sad and alone over there. Poor dude.
If this was MLB who knows how that play at first base would have been called. I would say there's a 50-50 chance in MLB that the runner would have been called out, even though the runner was running straight down the line to first base.
I must be an idiot and I don't understand the rules like I thought I did. If he struck out, why did he run? And if was the third out, why did the runner get to steal? Please don't mob me with hate, I genuinely am confused about the rules here.
EDIT: Thanks everyone for explaining this to me. Very helpful!
A third strike needs to be caught. If it is dropped, the runner is allowed to attempt to advance to first base. He needs to be thrown out at first for the out to be recorded. If he makes it before, he is safe and no out is recorded.
On a dropped third strike the batter can attempt to run to first. The defense only gets the out if they tag the runner or get the forceout at first. That's why you'll see catchers immediately tag the batter if the batter swings at the third strike and the ball hits the dirt.
The catcher has to catch the ball cleanly for a strikeout to count, if they don't, the batter can try to run to first. This only applies if there is either 2 outs, or first base is unoccupied at the time of the pitch. So if there is 1 out and someone on first, they are just out. If there is 1 out, and nobody on first, they are not out, if there is 2 out, they are not out no matter what.
It makes sense if you consider that every other normal way to get out requires a fielder to have control of the ball. The reason the batter is out if someone is on first, is because it would make it really easy for the defense to get a double play if they batter could run. It would basically become a strategy to drop the ball on purpose.
So this is whats known as the "dropped 3rd strike". This applies to all leagues even up to the majors. Ever notice in the majors when someone strikes out at a ball in the dirt the catcher tags them? Thats why. If the ball hits the dirt the batter has a right to challenge the throw to first, normally this isnt an issue since if the ball is dropped in front of the catcher its a very very simple throw. When a wild pitch happens thats when the batter gets 1st base on a strikeout.
The 3rd out isnt in the books until the 1st base umpire signals an out. Therefore the play is live all the way until that 2nd base runner scores the winning run
Thanks!@@MadMat418
Looks like a clear case of runner's interference. See timestamp 1:58. If the runner had been in the lane, the first baseman could have stretched to make the catch, and it would have been a very close call, possibly out. With the runner in fair territory, the first baseman couldn't stretch to make the catch. I don't know how the umpires could have missed the call this way. It seems obvious. That's what the lane is for.
I feel bad for the catcher. Sure, he didn't catch the pitch, but he was likely crossed up on the signs; and then he made a great play to get to the ball and make a good throw, only to be foiled by a bad call.
I can feel for the officials, too. This is a close call that potentially decides the game. The first baseman inexplicably set himself in foul territory. If he had positioned himself inside and stretched, the timing of the throw would have been close, as you say. The rule calls for interference if the throw could "reasonably retire" the runner. To me, that leaves open considering the baseman's position, and it's justifiable not to call interference here. He was not well positioned to stretch towards and receive the throw in time. But it's a judgement call, completely subjective, and made on the field in real-time. They reviewed it, but overturning the field call usually requires a higher standard.
@@drakono82 What if the first baseman stood where he was because of the runner's not being in the lane?
I don't think the rules are written with the intention that the first baseman will stand stoically in the canonical position and allow the runner who is outside of the lane to run into him. That would be unreasonable, because it's against human nature. It's in the fielder's nature to try to make the catch, which means avoiding the runner, even if the runner shouldn't have been there.
The rule constrains the runner's position. The runner was out of the allowed lane, and the ball would have been within reach of the fielder, and it could have arrived in time. Therefore the runner should be called out for interference. It seems very straightforward to me. If they're not going to make the call in this situation, then there's no reason to have the lane on the field.
This is why I'm not huge on the rule. I think the base runners are free to run, but if you strike out swinging, you should be out.
FGCU will always be remembered for the NCAA tourney run lol. High flying Florida man!!!
Those FGCU hats are dope
catcher is going to be running a lot drills after this. dropped third strike. wild throw to first to make a desperate out when the winning run is on third
Check it out at .25x. Looks like a very slight foul tip
Imagine being that catcher after that game
Catcher threw wide on the steal, missed strike 3 then threw into the runner going to first.
Celebrating the dude that K'd😂👍 Also, FGCU pitcher might be able to throw a strike if his head wasn't snapping toward the foul pole.
I once scored the winning run 16yr old league
They mobbed hitter on first
I felt bad cuz I was ignored and didn't understand
I know your doing baseball again but could you breakdown that guy getting injured from wake forest storming the courts after beating duke
The ball went *through* the catcher’s mitt
Someone tell Jomboi there's no such thing as obstruction on the offensive team whether it's the batter or runner
Lost it at the John Gruden face.
what a stud
I've never understood why a batter can swing and miss for a strike out but still run if the catcher drops it.
When you win the battle but lose the war
Great base running is a lost art of baseball and it is an art
The batter should have been out for running inside the field of play. He is supposed to run in the runners lane.
What's that giant purple mitten?
I think you had it wrong. I don’t think he was being down about striking out, I think he was nervous that he would be called for obstruction. Good non call though!
Baseball is the best sport
Was totally a cross up. You wouldn't flinch like that with head going down if it were just a bit high
why did the catcher throw to first instead of just eat it?
Cricket guy here. Was that the 3rd out? Why would the runner stop at 3rd? Have to get 4 outs?
There were 2 outs and the strikeout makes 3, but the catcher must maintain control of the pitch, otherwise pitchers could throw wild curveballs in the dirt to get guys out. So the batter can be technically out, but if he can reach first base on a passed ball he is safe. So, yes, you can have 4+ out innings, but it's rare.