The only radio message McLaren should have sent "Lando, we have given you pit priority to cover off Lewis. We will need to invert the positions if you undercut Piastri and give back the advantage. After that, you are free to race."
Yeah, I don't really get how McLaren (and now loads of media) didn't see this. Perhaps there's some information we're missing, but there's nothing obvious, so this seems like it was always the right solution.
How quickly is Silverstone forgotten about how badly McLaren messed up Piastri's race by not double stacking and telling him to go out for one more lap on the inters losing 10+ seconds.
@@McLarenMercedes17 Pitting Lando first was unnecessary and it created an issue they didn't need to create. They could have just pit Piastri first to prevent this but they were way too worried about Hamilton who wasn't even making up any ground on them. If Lando catches Piastri after that and passes, then it's fair game. That's just pace. But pitting them in this order was a bad call and created unnecessary problems.
McLaren could have avoided all of this drama by just pitting Piastri first, therefore retaining the same order and then whoever won would have been on pure pace without any team orders intervention
I would have thought the goal for a team would be maximising points in both constructor and driver championship? Every single team that has consistently challenged and won titles does this. Piastri isn't catching Max, but Lando might have a chance. Throwing 7 points away like that was just baffling. Doesn't scream contender to me. Not to mention the damage in confidence it can do to a driver. I'm not saying Norris won't be mentally strong enough to put this behind him, but he shouldn't have to waste energy on that. Plus, in reverse, Norris winning another race would only have made him stronger.
This was 100% on McLaren for undercutting Oscar. You don't put a driver in the lead that believes he is in the fight for the drivers championship, realistic or not, and expect them to take team orders easily. I don't even know if I can blame Lando for making it so public because most of the radio messages were coming from the engineer and Lando just being quiet and he's done quite well with the questions afterward from what I've seen. I'm glad he eventually gave the place back but he should have never been put in that position in the first place. Sure, everyone in this situation can learn and come out of better for it with no tangible penalty but I hate that this put a bit of a damper on Oscar's first win.
I can't believe how light you've been on Mclaren here, 100% their fault rather than the drivers . There's no world Noris is at fault for being put in a ridiculous situation for no reason
@@farfalle579nope, he’s a 20 something yr old racing driver in a race at high speeds and it’s not fair to expect him to have the calm collected maturity and rationale of a 50 yr old man.
Norris knew why he got the first shot at the pitstop and he knew he had to yield the position. Ether he could've not given up the position and screwed the team dynamic or if he was a smart driver, he woudl've yielded the position at the earliest and then hae 20 odd laps to try and overtake. In the end he lost his chance at winning.
Very generous to McLaren here. The 1-2 should have played out without drama but they fumbled it. Strategy screwed Oscar and put Lando in a difficult position, which then also screwed him out of racing Oscar for the win in the final stint. They tainted Oscars first win, their own 1-2 finish and stopped Lando from even having a chance to win himself.
The idea that this situation is mostly to be carried by Lando is absolutely brain dead. McLaren messed this up. "They're just getting used to being at the front" is not a excuse for failing at your job to manage the race. The drivers jobs are to win. Thats what their default is and should be. Laying the load on Lando in the media is lazy.
Honestly even if Piastri pitted first and came out ahead, Lando should have gotten priority simply because he is way closer in the championship. WTH is this childishness of obsessing over a race win instead of aiming for the championship. Stu**d as hell. And for god's sake there was no undercut threat from Hamilton at the time that they pitted. The commentators said as much.
@@jonathangarrett9171 No. Their job is to take that car thats under them over the line first. The teams job is to get 2 drivers that can do do that more times than not. Racing at its core couldnt be more simple.
McLaren's had years up front in decades past, so this whole excuse of "They're just getting used to being at the front" is BS, anyway. Red Bull didn't forget how to win races during Mercedes' dominance, and Mercedes didn't either, during the recent spell of Red Bull dominance. Stella's the typical, incompetent Ferrari employee looking for someone to blame other than himself, and the British media is defending him for no reason other than the team being British
Imagine the shitshow that will happen if Lando comes second in the drivers championship, losing the title by less than the points he lost on this team order...
Imagine Norris hadn't complied and Piastri came second in the Championship to Verstappen by 3 points. Anyone citing the hypothetical you do needs to think whether they are just driver fan-boying or just hyper-nationalistic
@@pauldroop only that Oscar is not even in the discussion as the running for the championship while Lando is literally in the 2nd position, the only one who can realistically challenge Max... Call it hypothetical but there is the scoreboard to back it up
This is about as controversial as Russia 2019 with Ferrari, except they didn’t ended up losing a 1-2. It’s not even a quarter as controversial as multi 21
McLaren had enough delta over the other cars. They should have pitted Oscar first and let them race. Now both drivers feel icky and everyone looks weak.
@@ChuyR. even if their data showed that Lewis was a threat, they could have told Lando to let Oscar through and that they’re free to race. The point is, they walked away with a 1-2 and don’t come across as a force to be reckoned with
@@ChuyR. He is but he's no god, he's fight was with Max, McLaren had a clear tire and pace advantage over Lewis. They also had enough margin to have a slow stop and get Lando out without losing any ground on Lewis. There was no reason to throw Oscar's strategy. He was ahead and earned preference. If Lando gets a slow stop and some how Lewis gets him, Lando has way better tyres and was much faster, he can get back that P2. McLaren gets their 1-2 and there's no drama.
Two takeaways from this are that McLaren are still too inept to be in a title fight and I fear that Lando doesn't have the ruthlessness necessary to ever become a champion.
I think ruthlessness has nothing to do with it. If anything he's too shortsighted. He has lost races by extending leads out of pure greed and an odd engineer dynamic, and done questionable overtakes because he doesn't want to wait a corner, like two of the dives on Verstappen in the race where they collided. I think Max would have given more space if Norris hadn't pissed him off with the failed overtakes. The exact thing that happened to Max here in Hungary will happen to Norris if he doesn't get his head straight. Tumbling down the order because he's seeing red. It's obvious which of the drivers has the championship mentality and it's unfortunately not their fastest driver. Being a champion is not about being ruthless 10% of the time, it's about remaining coolheaded 90% of the time. George is a good example because doesn't fumble because he's not tough enough, it's because he loses focus and get frustrated.
2 things that should have happened that I never heard were: 1. Inform Lando before the stop that he might end up in front of Piastri and they expect him to move over immediately, with confirmation he understands. 2. If he didnt move over then Andreas should have got on the radio after the 2nd or 3rd time of his engineer asking nicely and said "Lando, invert the order before T(x) of this lap, that is an instruction"
From the conversations we heard during the race the engineer said to Ln that remember what we discuss every Sunday morning.. They already talk about it before the race so Ln was just being a sook. Next time whoever is in front gets pit rights as it should be.. Second guy just waits..
@@malsmith2012 Based on what he said, it's more likely they always talk about "The team first" or something instead. If this had been a clearly discussed strategy, then the reactions seen wouldn't have been the reactions from everyone involved.
You didn’t even mention the engineer lying repeatedly to Norris about purported tyre wear during the race. That didn’t help the trust and credibility in the moment.
That. Norris saved his tyres a lot in 1st stint, he obviously knows if his tyres are good or not. Engineer should be direct from the start, when he talked about teamwork, championship, and safety car, Lando finally understand because those are real arguments.
Not 100% sure but it looked like Oscar was also told to manage tires until the last few laps where he picked up his pace and was on par with Norris' lap times. If anything Norris ignored the manage your tires instructions while Piastry seemingly didn't.
“Ok Fernando we box now, we box now. Confirm please” Abu Dhabi 2010, the one where Alonso gets stuck behind Petrov for the whole race. Stella was Alonso’s race engineer that night.
dude, Mclaren has the fastest car now... who would you put in his place? Seidl has a complete mess at Sauber. Andrea needs improvement, yes, but the only ones who could replace him are managing other teams by now.
@@ChuyR. There is a reason that Audi swooped in and took Seidl to prepare them for 2026. That man put up an amazing foundation in McLaren before leaving
They made one tiny mistake and it needlessly gets blown out of proportion. They wanted to be extra safe to secure McLarens P2 from Hamilton overtaking them. Yeah maybe it’s not ideal, but if Piastri didn’t drive off track and lose 4s in one lap then this situation would not have happened.
I'm missing something here. Why did Mclaren operate this strategy in the first place? It would have been Lando's second win, not like he's won as many as Max V for example this season. What exactly were Mclaren wanting to achieve? Oscar is a great driver, no doubt, but Lando has been in that team for a lot longer than he has. The team points were going to be maximum anyway finishing one and two, no matter which one of the drivers won. So i am confused about Mclaren's thinking here.
Dude, I asked the very same question. I thought I really missed something. No dude. U missed nothing. This was utter bs 100%. From me(ex Mclaren admirer).
Because Oscar would be aggrieved to be undercutted by his teammate and lose his race victory. That is NOT how the rules of engagement of pit priority work. Piastri rightfully had the race victory well under control before the second stop.
Team simply assumed that they can reverse undercut - contradicting the stance that they can race each other. Unless they fix the root cause, Lando either wins championship or leaves the team. The slogan of team first, in this case is just cover-up for a bad mistake by McLaren. How soon can Lando join Mercedes if McLaren doesn't win him the championship?
Stella can say what he wants about their shitty team morale, but you can’t make me believe that the team telling Lando that his win wouldn’t have mattered to them didn’t leave a scar.
This was a completely self inflicted wound on McLaren's part. Hamilton was too far back to be a threat. Both Norris and Piastri could have then raced and Piastri's first GP win wouldn't have been ruined like this.
Yeah this is what I was wondering too and they didn't mention in the video. It seems the concensus was that Hamilton wasn't close enough and they didn't need to pit Norris first. Maybe McLaren was being too cautious and reacting to other teams too much. Undercutting the lead driver feels just makes the whole situation more difficult. And the team radio was very roundabout. They wanted Norris to "make the right choice." Feels like the team doesn't know how or is unwilling to play the bad guy and tell him straight up and makes the whole situation worse. Leadership needed to intervene and make a strong decision but they shifted the burden to their driver instead
Even if they lose by 25 points, this race decision will affect the future. RB would drive differently if someone was one win away from taking the championship, which might pressure them into a mistake later in the year.
it was hilarious to see the team radio keep popping up. What are they going to tell him next? "Lando, your mum just called, can you stop by right now and ring her back?" "Lando, they just changed the direction of the race track in the section your on. You need to do a couple of loops to get back in the right direction." "Lando, if you don't slow down, all the cake will be thrown out for all the children here. Do you want to disappoint ALL the children? Can you imagine if Lando loses the championship by 24 points?
😂 Lando probably should have swapped ASAP to then try and overtake him, but McLaren should definitely have the policy of whoever is in with the best chance of a WDC gets priority
I think y'all got this one wrong and Norris should've taken P1. He's second in the championship with 11 races left to go, and he has a shot at the title (might be a longer shot, but it's a shot). Every point counts for him right now to stay in possible contention, and with Red Bull finally showing some severe weaknesses as McLaren is getting more solid, he should be going for it WITH the team behind him! They just as easily could've told this to Piastri that this is the case and that it's part of being in F1! Other teams force driver swaps when they have a driver with a shot at the title, there's zero surprises to that happening. If Stella wants to maintain this team first and all costs attitude, they're going to be losing drivers and finding a difficult time getting good ones.
People seem to be forgetting that Oscar had a commanding lead whereby he wouldn't have been undercut by Lando pitting first, but then dipped a wheel in the gravel and lost almost all of that advantage. Yes, McLaren could still have pitted him first, but it was hardly a clean-cut decision and actions by all three parties played their part to different extents.
The issue is that McLaren decided Oscar should win, then bullied Lando out of his victory. Oscar pitted 2 laps later probably based on original tire strategy - they just took Lando compliance for granted. They should have communicated from the start to reverse a potential undercut and then race. Oscar made a mistake that lost him time and that's on him. Lando took a commanding lead in the last stint. The only fault is with the team. Imagine if Max wins championship by less than 7 points.
@@IustinDornescu You are just clueless. No one lets themselves get undercut in Hungary because the undercut is OP there. They only did it like that because they are on the same team so they should be able to trust each other. Lando was only given the earlier pit stop so Hamilton couldn't undercut him.
Because they have a decent driver relationship between Piastri and Norris right now. If you want to know how bad it will get if your drivers are fighting each other think about Senna/Prost, Alonso/Hamilton, Hamilton/Rosberg, and Ocon/Anyone.
By a really talented rising star driver feeling consistently wronged and leaving using their exit clause, stuffing the teams future. That's why the team had to right their wrong on this. Make no mistake Piastri has been very consistent, patient and only 1 year of full time driving. He is in no shortage of interests and that is from the very top teams should he become disgruntled.
@@TeeRollss Ocon/Anyone🤣🤣 it's certainly true though; if he's in HAAS next year then let's hope he learnt his lesson from Alpine this year about being a team player.
@@crxdelsolsir Now lets explore the 'Loyal McLaren driver' thats been sticking with the team through rain and shine for the last 3-4 years, essentially being the only positive aspect (except maybe Ricciardos smile) the team had to offer. Considering that this is the second time he's been told 'For the good of the team', that he's not allowed to take the win (21 monza, he was ordered to hold behind Daniel, even if he was significantly faster). The doom and gloom side of me can see a world where Lando never wins again, and Piastri is the new golden boy - and this win being the catalyst. I can even see a world where this was planned by McLaren, to ensure that Piastri can potentially take the championship himself, and continue his f3 and f2 results. Its very unlikely, but it COULD come to pass, that RB has enough troubles that Verstappen DNFs a few races - And suddenly race on.
You could look at it as Norris questioning what is best for the team, not what he was being told to do. The fact that McLaren think that it's not best for the team to push the driver best positioned to win the championship to win is mind blowing
@jamessmith1652 Who is in front of Points??? How long will the pressure on Max hold. Come on now. This was totally silly. I would have chosen Lando over Oscar for this RACE!! If Max was behind them , Then sure ,but maximum points for Lando until it is impossible to catch Max should be the goal just my VIEW.
Ferrari knows they screwed up the strategy. Mclaren places the focus on the drives in the eyes of the public. Strategists need to get a pay cut to hire a new chief strategist.
This is racing. Lando was the racer ahead on track. Piastri couldn't catch him. How does that make it Lando's problem? How much do you expect him to slow down? The problem was created by the team, and now people lay the blame on Lando? Ridiculous!
I think it’s good Norris kinda showed them they shouldn’t take it for granted. He wants to be a teamplayer but also wants to make clear he wants to catch Max, so they shouldn’t try to manufacture a result that isn’t (at that time) natural at all.
Nothing was manufactured. It was a strategy to protect Norris so clearly the fair thing to do would be to re-establish the order a.s.a.p. Instead Norris tried to profit for himself from a team strategy that was intended to protect him. Despicable really. Now the team can't trust him anymore and he won't get such offers of protection in future.
He should've gone all the way, you'd never see the likes of Lewis, Max, or Fernando give up a win in that situation. I'm afraid that he doesn't have the ruthlessness necessary for winning the world championship.
Lando didn't deserve any bashing after this shit show. The blame is at McLaren. They had the gap on Hamilton, it was more than enough. They could've just pit Oscar on that lap and then Lando on the next one. They are so eager with trying to hit the perfect score and protect everything that they forgot how to manage a race.
McLaren clearly isn't used to fighting at the front, and needs to put Stella on the radio to clearly tell Lando to give back the lead to Oscar. It appears from what Oscar said post race, that the driver who was ahead at the first lap would get priority. But then McLaren undercut Piastri twice and put Lando in the awkward position of needing to give back the lead to Oscar. Lando ultimately did the right thing but the blame lies with McLaren in how they ordered the late pit stops and not being more forceful on the radio with Lando late on. McLaren will improve their race management as they keep racing at the front. I do sense that Lando truly fears that Oscar will rise above him over time. The team needs both drivers to achieve their goals but keeping both happy won't be easy
The emotional blackmail and gaslighting was incredible. Shows McLaren are not ready for a sustained championship fight, despite the "collaborative" culture Zaky-poo loves to preach about
I’m sorry but where was the gaslighting? McLaren were clear after Lando’s pitstop that it was to protect from a Hamilton undercut (I don’t think they were ever in real danger of that) and that positions were to be inverted. If Lando had thought it through he would have easily let Oscar through early on and then attacked him as he clearly had the pace but yet again it’s another issue Lando has to sort because he’s not making smart race decisions and too many mistakes in high pressure situations. Max, Lewis and Fernando very rarely if at all make those errors when in positions to win. Also his attitude in the cool down room where Lewis praised how fast their car was only for Lando to take it the wrong way with a sarcastic and frankly disrespectful manner shows how much growing up he’s got to do. His engineer was right to tell him that he will need his teammate to help him win a title wasn’t blackmail or gaslighting but just stating the obvious to him. This is on both Lando and McLaren - Lando doesn’t get a pass here.
@@matthewbarber13 The gaslighting was his engineer pretending that he needed to slow down and worry about tire management when that was clearly never the case. 😂
@@lukew6725literally not the definition of gaslighting, those messages were a clear communication of YOU NEED TO SLOW DOWN so that you can let Oscar through without losing time to p3/4 but Lando decided that he didn’t want to play the team game knowing full damn well that he had to do the right thing. As this was communicated to him when they boxed him ahead of Oscar for the 2nd time. Like I said previously this is 50/50 on McLaren and Lando but gaslighting is not what it was.
I will admit that I'm a Lando fan but I'm also not a blind follower. Looking into this race objectively, Lando acted like a petulant child. He had already been told to bring the car back to its original position, but he played deaf. The pit wall had to endlessly repeat the request it became pathetic. More importantly, there was already a team agreement on the strategy that the lead would be given back in case the scenario played out. If he changed position right away, Lando would still have more than twenty laps to fairly prove he was faster than Oscar and wouldn’t have put Oscar in an awkward position. He didn’t even try to race hard on Lando after he pitted because he already sensed that Lando didn’t want to switch. He ruined Oscar’s first win.
I still have not heard a reason why McLaren even wanted them to swap from any RUclips channel. For me: Lando did get into first. Lando was clearly faster at the end. So Lando should've got the win. There was no benefit to McLaren to make them swap, they still got their 1-2 points for the Constructors. But there was LOSS to Lando to close the gap to Max in the Drivers.
So weird to tell the guy who is ahead in the championship to give up points? Aren't McLaren in the business of trying to win both championships? Lando has done all the hard yards in the lean years and stayed with the team yet they do this to him when it is Piastri that should be biding his time till he gets his opportunity. Would this have happened if Zak Brown had been there? Depending on what the 2026 cars look like I can see Lando going somewhere else if they keep messing him about.
Well Piastri can also still win the championship. Before you Lando fans worry about catching Max, you should worry about Oscar snatching that P2 because right now, Oscar is closer to Lando in the driver's standing than Lando is to Max. And I am not sure why people don't get the hint, McLaren is seeing their future with Oscar and they made that clear with Lando after what happened from the Hungary GP. They can just give the win to Lando but they made a statement that Oscar is equal to him.
Lando may be the highest paid employee putsode the boardroom, bit he is still just an employee In the ego-fuelled world of F1, many people forget that, including fans.
It was pretty clear no matter how Mclaren try to spin this is that they lost control of the situation in the last few laps. The back and forth between Lando and his race engineer just shows that. If they really want to either ask Lando finish first or second, just order them directly through team orders. Get someone that is their equivalent of James Vowles back in Mercedes to show the pitwall is serious about whatever decision they want. Don't go through the yapping of tire wear of both drivers pushing too much or whatnot. It's silly that it even got to a point where Mclaren were basically guilt tripping Lando to give the position back. Regardless of whether or not Oscar or Lando should have won, what remains is that Mclaren needs to be clearer with what it wants to do. You can't tell Oscar not to worry about Lando and then have him see his maiden win slip away. You can't have a situation where you undercut a driver with your teammate who is clearly preferred and then beg for that teammate to give the place back. And you can't leave out an issue lap after lap because that just allows tensions to boil over.
15 SECONDS in front of Hamilton. This made ZERO sense. There was no chance that they were going to lose the 1-2 finish. How is it any better that PIA finishes first? There is NO WAY both drivers will finishs 1-2 in the points so why play this card? They did LANDO DIRTY!
The only things worse for McLaren would have been for Oscar to tell them to shove it and sit in second. He would've been within his rights to come out and say they screwed him, yet again. But he's still very young so they were protected from their own incompetency. This season feels as though there have been a higher level of incompetent decisions by teams. What happened with Riccardo in this race was only hidden by McLarens screw up. Feels like some of these decision makers are either living in a video game or running conflictive motives.
This is a non issue when verstappen, Lewis, or Leclerc get the "right" pit stop call, yet this is an issue for Lando. Why was it a forgone conclusion that Piastri was going to win?
It's clear McLaren don't even want to entertain the idea of catching up to Max on the WDC standings with half the season left to go and seemingly having the best all-around package at the moment.
Look at it rationally. Norris is 76 points behind in the wdc but McLaren are only 51 points behind Red Bull in the constructors. Prizes are only given for the constructors. With all the will in the world I would love to see either McLaren driver as wdc but the constructors is more realistic this year.
@@zeberto1986lando winning doesn’t change the constructors points, and yes they are far behind and it would take 5 more races like this to catch up but are you really saying they shouldn’t even try?
@@oIZemiixo im not saying they shouldnt try, this is the best chance theyve had in decades at both titles. Im just looking at what is most likely to be achieved. Lando would need to outscore Max by an average of 8 points per race until the end of the year to beat Max. For the constructors its a lot simpler. McLaren could lead Red Bull in as few as 2 races depending on results. As thats a dream world Id say 3-5 races and McLaren could be leading the constructors. In summary its harder to claw back the wdc so the contructors should be the focus, doesnt mean they shouldnt go for both though. Never know whats possible until you try!
Before you Lando fans worry about catching Max, you should worry about Oscar snatching that P2 because right now, Oscar is closer to Lando in the driver's standing than Lando is to Max.
It's wild. Last season they said that they wanted to be fighting for the championship this season. But they clearly are not ready behind the pit wall. The car is 2 steps ahead of the team. Midfield mentality with a top car. Like they're racing their own shadows. It's already showing similar levels of cracks of the past when they last had top drivers and top cars. It's embarrassing. Over the summer they need to regroup. They're gonna be their own undoing. This isn't a team that's ready to fight championships. If Red Bull and Mercedes weren't struggling with their own issues, they'd eat McLaren alive. Right now the only people that can fully pat themselves on the back is the technical team that's working directly on the car. Everyone else needs to step it up.
I don't know how difficult it was to tell Lando: we made a mistake and undercutted Oscar without willing, we need to make it right so please swap with him just for this time, then race.
Having one driver wait several seconds for another and then having them race would be the worst possible thing to do. They would be risking the 1-2. What if they both crashed out? They screwed up and put Lando in front. Lando was then simply faster. Let him win. "Sorry Oscar, our bad." If I was in Oscar's place I would not want the swap. He could not catch up.
@@joaopaulo-ms5it If I were Oscar I would have waited for Lando so we can both over the line at the same time, then brake at the last second so Lando goes over first. Mind you, I'm not a pro racer nor was I ever competitive enough to go for the top level in sports, so take what I say with a heavy dose of salt.
@@deanchur I mean yeah. I understand the first race win type shit. But if I were Oscar and saw Lando fking me up 6 seconds ahead, I would just leave it and let him have it. You dont want your first win to be made by a position swap. fucked strategy or not.
@@tvs99999 *_Agreed._* I was honestly surprised that Piastri didn't tell the team he didn't want to win like this. I'm not saying he should blame himself for the embarrassment, I was just surprised because I really thought the pride of most of these drivers would've kept him from taking it.
Yeah, Oscar diserved better for his first win. And it seemed likely that this would not have been that race for him, so the pit walls messages really hollowed out the day for Oscar.
Exactly Would have been a moment for Piastri to ingratiate himself and be the bigger man, saying "let's max out Lando's points for the championship sake" Being gifted the win won't mean very much. Noticing the lack of emotion in the winning radio message
@@Rearmostbean "Being gifted the win". Nope, Lando was almost gifted the win, not Oscar. Lead car always gets priority! If Lando's so 'fast', pass your teammate, on track!
I think this could have been avoided with better communication to Lando before the stop. Something like: "Hey Lando, we want to bring you in first to protect you from Max. It is possible you may undercut Oscar from this. If that happens, we want you to give the position back." Now Lando knows the team's plan and understrands he is getting a benefit and then will be payting that back to Oscar ahead of time, rather then having to be guilted into it afterwards in a really embarrassing way.
McLaren messsy strategy and team orders. All this could have been avoided by giving Piastri priority and letting them race till the end. Norris most likely would’ve won based off pace and it would’ve been a simple 1 2. They’re lucky the car was dominant this weekend and Max/Redbull struggles so much.
The argument being peddled by the majority that this was Mclaren's fault is bullshit. They made it clear to Lando what the strategy was. Lando just didn't like it. He eventually thought his way through it and did the appropriate thing. His decision making is more and more a problem.
Look at the stats bro. You get nothing for second place. Lando would quite literally have to win every race from now on to have a chance and thats not happening.
Lando said the team orders were that they were free to race! Lando should have let Oscar through right away and followed for a few laps. Lando would then have had about 15 laps for a clean safe overtake (like Max passing Checo in Miami 2023). Much harder for the team to argue that the faster car can’t pass, especially if they are free to race. Poor decision making by Lando, he should have done everything he can to get Oscar pass ASAP , avoid the drama and chance to take P1.
They already did it back at their last one two 21? When Lando was the faster car but had to stay behind Ric because the team wanted to comfort Ric. Here they told him he can race until lap 45. So I think they would not have allowed him to overtake even if he were the faster car in the last stint.
@@jamessmith1652 That’s a good point, but it seemed like Lando had faster lap times or had he been behind Oscar when he went into the gravel maybe he overtakes.
McLaren is at fault, not Oscar or Lando. Lando did no wrong and Oscars first win was ruined by a strategy blunder. Its a joke that anyone is looking at the drivers in a bad light at all.
The main issue I have with this is. Lando is trying to fight Max. Oscar has attacked him 3 times now when he is trying to defend from Max attacking and Oscar has taken advantage. Oscar is not helping Lando he is hindering him. It’s going to end in tears.
If Lando learns how to start a race, he won't be under pressure from Oscar or Max. And Oscar couldn't know Lando's start was so poor that Max was on the outside.
@@thomasvrielink299 not sure you watched the race. Lando had his whole throttle assembly replaced on the grid. How did he know how it was going to be, going to react.
@@andrewbaron8713 I watched the race, but nothing before or after so I had no idea Lando had somewhat of an excuse for his poor start this time. All the more reason for Oscar to pass him and not allow Max to get ahead of both of them then. Still, the start is something Lando has struggled with this season, so you can't really blame me for thinking he just f-ed up again.
@@thomasvrielink299 fair play mate, just think think when your whole throttle assemble has been replaced on the grid. You’re not going to know how it’s going to react at the start.
Before you Lando fans worry about catching Max, you should worry about Oscar snatching that P2 because right now, Oscar is closer to Lando in the driver's standing than Lando is to Max.
I wonder how different this race would have been if Lando had just given the position over immediately and then proceeded to pass Oscar since Lando had much more pace on the last stint.
Oscar was saving tyres for the distance n incase of a safety car. He was told don’t worry about lando. There managing the situation. I see nothing wrong in what McLaren were doing. They pitted lando to cover Lewis as they didn’t want to be under cutter by him on hards. Lando reminded me of seb in 2013. Hopefully he matures quickly. They all want to win but when team gives an order you follow that order. You drive for the team. Win and lose together. Lando wasn’t going to give that place. He was hoping for a safety car to eliminate the chance to swap places without risking the 1-2. Look at the Mercedes same gp 2017. That’s proper respect between team n the your team mate.
He would not have been able to pass Oscar and he knew it. Lando has a bad attitude and I don't think he will ever be able to develop into a good teammate. It's unfortunate because on paper they should be a great duo and Oscar is good at getting along.
@@Wow1337lol bad attitute I wonder in what world. He is not a Hamilton, Schumacher, Verstappen who do things only for themself and not for the team. Lando already forfeit a victory (which would have been his first btw) to Ricciardo back in 21 when he was the faster driver. He is always following team orders and if he, like in this case, would just give up a race win without some resistance he should not be a racer at all.
What i didn’t understand was why Piastri winning the race meant “putting the team first” they were P1 & P2 so the team would have got the same points regardless of which driver finished first
@@TassieLorenzo yes but that was the team tactic to ensure they get P1 & P2, Norris winning would have not made any difference for the team, it would have only made a difference for the drivers standings
They wouldn't have been 1 & 2 if they had pitted Piastri first. Had they done so, Lando would have really had to prove himself on track, likely having to now overtake both Hamilton and Verstappen, instead of being handed the lead via pit stop. It's not Piastris's fault that Lando HAD to be pitted first, when in normal circumstances, the lead car would get the option to pit first for the undercut. But the real problem was how Lando handled it... it wasn't a good look for him.
They had plenty of advantage over Hamilton and Verstappen to just follow the norm - Give the leading driver (Piastri) preference on the best pit stop strategy. Stop him first, whatever is most advantageous, and then if they meet on track after that, let them race. They stole any chance for Piastri to feel like he truly won the race by deciding the finishing order before the second set of pit stops, and then they made it worse by giving Norris the preferential pit strategy so that he would have to give up the position voluntarily on track. Now both Piastri and Norris will be questioning what the finishing order might have been had they pitted Piastri first and let them race to the finish.
Because you risk wrecking both cars. And if you "let Oscar past" it is not really racing anymore anyway. If Oscar couldn't catch Lando on better tires with the same car, he didn't deserve the win. Lando was being diplomatic by saying Oscar deserved the win, but he knew the truth.
@@NinthDensity "think" is doing the heavy lifting here. This is being said a lot, but I haven't seen anyone back it up. Just an assumption that is really hard to take seriously. What would the radio to Lando have been had he allowed the swap sooner? "Thanks for that mate. Now listen, we know you are the only driver besides Max that has a chance to win the DC, but we need you to stay behind Oscar until the end for reasons. We don't care that you're faster."
The argument that Norris felt he should/could have been in a position to challenge Piastri doesn’t hold water. If Lando wanted to race Piastri to the end he should have let him past at his earliest convenience and then challenged him across the remainder of the final stint. He shot himself in both feet as far as I’m concerned.
Utter nonsense ! Why would you want to be playing games like that !?? Norris was already in P1 AND was pulling away from Piastri ...... This is supposed to be 'Racing' , NOT some pre planned political excersise !
@@Jayen4 yeah but he had to give the place back, hence the end result. May as well have done what he was always supposed to do and then given himself a fighting chance of reclaiming the position across the final stint. Remember, this is a driver who was adamant he was the fastest of the two. Back yourself and fight your teammate for the win the proper way.
I don't see what's morally correct about the classic making-Rubens-throw-the-race move, especially when there seemed to be nothing on the line but a statistic. I can't remember the last time a driver reacted to hearing "P1" in their ear for the first time with a polite "yep, thanks". It's like he was embarrassed to be in that situation. Oscar deserved a more earned first win. Another unforced error from the McLaren pit wall.
All the way through Lando was getting radio messages saying he was racing Verstappen and Hamilton - I get the impression Mclaren were so keen to show that they weren't going to drop the ball that they enforced team orders after the first corner. Mclaren have a problem here as Oscar is an odd teammate. He gets himself into great positions but ultimately isn't quick enough to go for titles over a season and could impact his teammates by holding them up. I can see Lando being on the phone to Toto, and no other top driver wanting to take his place while Oscar's there.
I don't know about everyone else but I would not want to win a race where my main opponent was told to surrender a six second gap and the lead of the race, to me. It would feel very empty.
It’s simple for me. One driver ran out of talent, lost control of his car and went off, TWICE! If he hadn’t made those mistakes this wouldn’t have been an issue. Asking your driver who didn’t make a mistake and was easily pulling away from his teammate, to essentially park up on the side of the road and let your team mate who can’t catch you past, just because he passed you in the first corner, is an utter joke. It’s the equivalent of asking Oscar to give Lando the place back after the first corner, because Lando out qualified him! And please, Stella’s quotes were embarrassing. Lando has a 7 year contract with McLaren, if he’d ignored them as he should’ve, nothing would’ve happened to Lando 🤦🏻♂️
>Asking your driver who didn’t make a mistake You couldn't mean Lando because his start was horrendous and that's where it counts in Hungary where track position is everything. You talk about mistakes from Piastri but neglect the gap he built on Lando before that. The fact is Lando didn't get anywhere near passing Oscar until he was given a 2 lap undercut, which is not something that would have ever happened if they were on competing teams.
This is 100% on McLaren, they were embarrassing. Norris is not at fault at all and any action he took would've been criticized to some degree because of the situation his team put him in. This was not fairness, this was toxic team culture bullying. They have to let the drivers fight on track, they will never win a drivers championship with this mentality. I don't even think they'll win the constructors with this mentality, they're blowing easy strategies consistently.
This is the teams fault not the drivers. The team is putting the drivers in uncomfortable situations by trying to play all the sides instead of trying to win the championship, which is the goal of this entire season and race. Lando has put in his time the past 5 years, this is the time to give it back.
What you are forgetting is the reason Piastri was ahead in the first place. Norris was compliant in the first corner and went off the track as Piastri was not in control of his car. Norris played the team game, and should have been rewarded for this, not penalized.
I don't agree that this outcome was better for the team, rather it's the same for them, just worse for Lando. if they passed the finishing line in any order yesterday, they'd still have the same team championship points, but now Lando might find that these missed 7 points turn out to be VERY important towards the end of the season for the drivers championship.
Before you Lando fans worry about catching Max, you should worry about Oscar snatching that P2 because right now, Oscar is closer to Lando in the driver's standing than Lando is to Max.
Honestly felt like a necessary exchange and an important message to get across. Lando was exceedingly loyal so far and his team acts like they can just take wins for granted already, deciding who has earned what. He was clearly faster in the end and has a championship shot.
When suggesting Norris looks bad in all this you shouldn't talk about "how it looks to the outside." That's a highly personal take, there is a large group of people who think he absolutely should not have given up the position, not least because he was pulling away from Piastri. Add on top of that the championship standings, how the team put them in that position and how they tried to pressure him with b/s about the tires. The team screwed up.
I agree with this. While I was listening I was thinking "But should he?" There is an argument for him having more points and the championship considerations, and keeping some time between the cars behind them. It's anathema to slow down when you're out front. I don't think Norris did anything wrong and I'm very sure Verstappen, Hamilton or even Seb would have radioed back "Nope, ya'll made this happen and it's going to happen."
@TassieLorenzo So? People undercut all the time and we don't say that they didn't actually pass so it shouldn't count. The side of the track that paistri started on was the racing line so he got a better run down to the first corner so it "wasn't fair" but nobody cares because that is part of racing. Yeah the team could have handled differently but they had their reasons and they trusted that the drivers would do what they did.
did you not see the race? Piastri shat on Lando turn 1 and proceeded to shit on him till the half of the race. Why should Lando get prio pitstop and a better position when he didnt even race for it?
@@tvs99999 Piastri was slower than Norris for the second half of the race though the gap was getting wider and wider. Norris fully shat all over Piastri when it mattered over multiple laps, not just the start. Piastrie wasn't as quick as Norris over the full distance (minus the last two laps) why should he be gifted the win. Anyway Norris will continue to crush Piastri over the remaining races of the season so it's all good. He will continue to be no1 in the team.
@@jonathanbowen3640 In Hungary the start matters more than anything. In the last stint Norris burned up his tyres like a petulant child as if that proved anything (only to idiots like you) while Piastri drove sensibly, preserving his tyres and minimizing risk since there was already a large gap to the teams behind. Piastri was faster than Norris by some margin on the final laps, once Lando finally got the cars back in the correct order and racing between the two could resume.
@@Wow1337lol The start doesn't matter when you have DRS Hence there was a large number of overtakes into turns 1 and two. There is zero evidence wore his tires out. His pace never reduced in relation to piastri even up until the last few laps He was simply going his normal pace which as faster than Piastri as proven by his position in the championship ahead of him also his qualifying pace was superior. You can enjoy watching Norris slap Piastre down for the remaining races of the season. He's ahead now and he will remain ahead forever.
Lando was in the wrong?? What?! He’s racing. If Pastry couldn’t catch up then it wasn’t his race to win. It was awkward from the moment they asked him to give the position back. That was dumb.
1. Lando bottled the start of the race AGAIN. 2. Lando couldn't pass Oscar for 40 laps despite being the faster driver like what Lando fans are saying. 3. Lando couldn't get within DRS of Oscar for 40 laps despite being the faster driver like what Lando fans are saying. 4. The team gifted Lando the P1 position which he didn't deserve. 5. The team tried to steal Oscar's win after giving priority pit stop to Lando. 6. The team realised their mistake and corrected it by asking Lando to give back the P1 position he didn't deserve. 7. Being petty as he is, Lando doesn't want to give it back and burned his tires trying to make a statement - by creating a 6s gap. 8. After the switch, Oscar immediately created a 2 second gap to Lando and Lando couldn't keep up because his tires were cooked. 9. Lando is second in the championship but Oscar is only 40 points behind Lando. The chances of Oscar catching Lando are higher than Lando catching Max. 10. After what happened to Hungarian GP, Mclaren made it clear to Lando that he is not the no.1 and that Oscar is equal to him. They are seeing their future with Oscar. Hope this clears everything
Completely unfair to pin this on norris, especially given hamilton was no threat to the 1-2 in the end which made the whole thing unnecessary. Lando also comfortably gapped Oscar in the last stint, is there not a discussion around who truly would’ve won or deserved to win had they been boxed in the correct order and allowed to race?
The thing is that, had they given the undercut to Oscar, nothing says Lando wouldn't have fought to win and possibly won, so it's normal he felt giving back the position wasn't that obviously the fair call.
Merc is only looking for a short term driver. But I hope Landos management did some calls. Best starting to call other teams at the last 10 laps already.
I didn't see Piastri helping Lando at the start- forced him wide elbows out causing him to lose places- ie racing fair enough- not sure that's great team work if they were really going for a one two. Piastri has always been a smiling assassin
It's a motor race... It has rules of engagement like on-track racing AND correct pit priority order. Since Norris was given an undercut on Hamilton and NOT on Piastri, he was required to re-invert with Piastri. At no point did Norris overtake Piastri on track.
1. Lando bottled the start of the race AGAIN. 2. Lando couldn't pass Oscar for 40 laps despite being the faster driver like what Lando fans are saying. 3. Lando couldn't get within DRS of Oscar for 40 laps despite being the faster driver like what Lando fans are saying. 4. The team gifted Lando the P1 position which he didn't deserve. 5. The team tried to steal Oscar's win after giving priority pit stop to Lando. 6. The team realised their mistake and corrected it by asking Lando to give back the P1 position he didn't deserve. 7. Being petty as he is, Lando doesn't want to give it back and burned his tires trying to make a statement - by creating a 6s gap. 8. After the switch, Oscar immediately created a 2 second gap to Lando and Lando couldn't keep up because his tires were cooked. 9. Lando is second in the championship but Oscar is only 40 points behind Lando. The chances of Oscar catching Lando are higher than Lando catching Max. 10. After what happened to Hungarian GP, Mclaren made it clear to Lando that he is not the no.1 and that Oscar is equal to him. They are seeing their future with Oscar. Hope this clears everything
Spot on Ed. Totally Norris’ fault. McLaren devised the plan as they believed Norris would do the right thing and Norris completely betrayed them. 100% Norris’ fault.
because why? does he have a chance to win the wdc? definitely not. Even if max will not be wining he will still be getting points and Lando wont win every race.
@@anhk_yt They had a reason, which they even told Piastri at the time. They were concerned about Hamilton. Now, we can debate that Hamilton wasn't the threat McLaren thought he was, but saying they had 0 reason to pit Lando first is just flat out incorrect. You and many other poeple also seem to be forgetting Lando was told before the last round of pitstops that he was free to fight Oscar, "until the mid 40s" or something close to that. That implies there was an overall team plan already in place before the race that was discussed about how long the drivers would be allowed to fight amongst themselves before the team locked them into place. And Lando pitted on Lap 45. So, based on that earlier message to Lando, his opportunity to fight for the win was done when he pitted.
@@aethyr6776 I agree. All signs point to McLaren having an internal agreement that the drivers race until a point before being locked. It prevents them from getting too "racy" and crashing on the last few laps and throwing everything away. Lando had pole but he messed up the start and never caught Oscar before his 40ish lap deadline, so he lost the team race. Oscar didn't help by going wide a couple of times and never catching up properly at the end. McLaren didn't help by undercutting Oscar to help Lando to cover Lewis. No one at McLaren really comes away from this looking good.
Sorry but strategy didn’t give Lando a 6 second lead on older tires, Piastri making mistakes and not being the better driver that day did. Telling your main driver to be slower so your teammate has the chance to pass you and take all the glory is just dumb. Even on the radio at the end it felt like Piastri knew he didn’t deserve the win.
At this point in the championship those extra 7 points could make the difference in the fight between Max and Lando. The 1-2 was effectively guaranteed, the strategy was played out and you still had a 1-2 and Oscar wasn't catching up. The interest of the team also includes getting Lando a fight for the drivers championship too.
I'm dumbfounded by this analysis. Nowhere did a single commentator actually address the larger question raised by yesterday's idiocy - why, exactly, was the team justified in demanding that the faster driver in the race, who qualified on pole, cede a position to his slower teammate??
Pole is irrelevant. Piastri took the lead and had a comfortable lead until he was undercutted. Since the undercut was directed at Hamilton NOT as Piastri, Norris was required to reinvert with Piastri.
Painting Lando as the bad guy here is absolutely ludicrous. Your only job as a driver is to win the race and if your team instructs you to intentionally lose, it's up to you to disobey that bullshit order
Taking a win from a driver over the Team's need for points should not be allowed. The Team should earn points no matter what the drivers choose to do while behind the wheel.
After pitting Lando first, and then Lando showing a pace advantage and driving away from Oscar, Lando should have just said F-it, I am taking this win. The team screwed up the pit stop strategy, let them handle it with Oscar. If he wants to become a world champion, he needs a bit of ruthlessness.
If lando misses the championship by 5 points he will regret giving up that place . He should have given the position back strait away then drove past him in the last 15 laps . He was by far the faster driver and started on pole
After sleeping on it this needed to be an option, and Mclaren need to get more forthright with their messaging. Like Rosberg said to Stella you cant leave the drivers to interpret what the team wants.
If I had been in Lando's position I would've said on radio: "Aight, I'll let him go and give him a second and a half gap, then it's race on!" Then let him go asap to have as many racing laps as possible.
I usually like and respect you guys. But you don't seem to be covering the level of emotional manipulation going on by the McLaren pitwall towards Norris. You didn't even show or discuss the most problematic radio messages. You're letting Mclaren off too lightly. I know you probably know a lot of these people socially, but it seems to be compromising your independence as journalists.
It was hardly that. Stella: "A driver without the right amount of team player CANNOT race in Payaya." Does Norris want to be fired like Ocon or not? Norris was given an undercu on Hamilton NOT on Piastri, therefore he was required to promptly reinvert with Piastri. It's very simple. instead he dithered and did not do so promptly.
Piastri lost the right to have the position back when Lando’s lead went beyond the advantage gained from the undercut. At one point Lando was 5-6 seconds ahead, in my opinion, he deserved to keep the position.
Your wheel knowledge is showing = ZERO! Lando was burning his tires trying to create a gap to make a statement that he was faster because he didn't want to give back the position that was gifted to him. After the switch, Oscar immediately created a 2-second gap for him because Lando's tires were already cooked. Also, do you know what clear air means? Or dirty air? I dumbing down myself to explain to situation to you.
Correct. People talking about tires are confused, Norris drove the tires perfectly hence why he went so long ahead of Piastri and extended the lead. His tires were fine and would have been fine if he didnt slow down for five seconds to give his win away.
@@winterflakes101 6 seconds of dirty air dont be silly. And DRS is to compensate for dirty air if piastri was fast enough he could have used that, but he wasnt so he had to rely on team orders gifting him the win.
I'd be feeling pretty rough if i were Piastri, imagine getting your first F1 win because the team forced your significantly faster teammate to let you through.
Whether you believe Lando was being selfish or immature it did have the effect of getting everyone's minds off of their previous screw-ups, thus avoiding an overly nervous choke situation, it also allowed the pair to extend their lead over Lewis. Also, his actions cause the McLaren team to evolve beyond just getting their cars home by being a catalyst for growth and change. No one knows if he would have drove across the finish line without a position swap but now at least they have addressed the "What if we have to consolidate the best points haul in order to win a drivers championship" strategy.
The only radio message McLaren should have sent "Lando, we have given you pit priority to cover off Lewis. We will need to invert the positions if you undercut Piastri and give back the advantage. After that, you are free to race."
Yeah, I don't really get how McLaren (and now loads of media) didn't see this. Perhaps there's some information we're missing, but there's nothing obvious, so this seems like it was always the right solution.
Cover Lewis who was well over 6 seconds behind?
They were obviously saying that in effect, but they really didn't want to give a direct order for some odd reason.
Boom. Problem solved.
How quickly is Silverstone forgotten about how badly McLaren messed up Piastri's race by not double stacking and telling him to go out for one more lap on the inters losing 10+ seconds.
Oscar and Lando have both been done dirty by McLaren, its embarrassing.
Everything was done perfectly by McLaren. Norris' exaggerated ego must have been reduced. Very childish from him
@@McLarenMercedes17 Until Lando loses the championship by 6 or 7 points by the end of the year. Then McLaren will put their heads in the sand I bet.
@@McLarenMercedes17 Pitting Lando first was unnecessary and it created an issue they didn't need to create. They could have just pit Piastri first to prevent this but they were way too worried about Hamilton who wasn't even making up any ground on them. If Lando catches Piastri after that and passes, then it's fair game. That's just pace. But pitting them in this order was a bad call and created unnecessary problems.
@@jenshendriks9092Damn, Max will have one huge meltdown if Lando ever gets within a 7-point difference.
@@gdoumitor they could do a double pitstop fair and square, but I doubt they'll possibly do it like Mercedes does
McLaren could have avoided all of this drama by just pitting Piastri first, therefore retaining the same order and then whoever won would have been on pure pace without any team orders intervention
I’ve been saying the same thing. They messed up so Norris had to yield. Totally unfair.
Yes people are making too big of a deal out of this. If Norris had not honored team orders, he would have paid for it later with a strategy.
That was too easy.
Yep, agreed. Could have been very easily avoided altogether.
I would have thought the goal for a team would be maximising points in both constructor and driver championship? Every single team that has consistently challenged and won titles does this.
Piastri isn't catching Max, but Lando might have a chance. Throwing 7 points away like that was just baffling. Doesn't scream contender to me. Not to mention the damage in confidence it can do to a driver.
I'm not saying Norris won't be mentally strong enough to put this behind him, but he shouldn't have to waste energy on that. Plus, in reverse, Norris winning another race would only have made him stronger.
The only criticism Lando deserves is for complying.
This was 100% on McLaren for undercutting Oscar. You don't put a driver in the lead that believes he is in the fight for the drivers championship, realistic or not, and expect them to take team orders easily. I don't even know if I can blame Lando for making it so public because most of the radio messages were coming from the engineer and Lando just being quiet and he's done quite well with the questions afterward from what I've seen. I'm glad he eventually gave the place back but he should have never been put in that position in the first place. Sure, everyone in this situation can learn and come out of better for it with no tangible penalty but I hate that this put a bit of a damper on Oscar's first win.
I can't believe how light you've been on Mclaren here, 100% their fault rather than the drivers .
There's no world Noris is at fault for being put in a ridiculous situation for no reason
he's not at fault for being put in the situation
but he's absolutely at fault for the way he handled it
@@farfalle579how? He didn’t even win😂 they threatened him and he gave up the spot. He’s better than me for sure😂
@@farfalle579nope, he’s a 20 something yr old racing driver in a race at high speeds and it’s not fair to expect him to have the calm collected maturity and rationale of a 50 yr old man.
Awful take by the race folks here. They’ve lost the plot.
Norris knew why he got the first shot at the pitstop and he knew he had to yield the position. Ether he could've not given up the position and screwed the team dynamic or if he was a smart driver, he woudl've yielded the position at the earliest and then hae 20 odd laps to try and overtake. In the end he lost his chance at winning.
Very generous to McLaren here. The 1-2 should have played out without drama but they fumbled it. Strategy screwed Oscar and put Lando in a difficult position, which then also screwed him out of racing Oscar for the win in the final stint. They tainted Oscars first win, their own 1-2 finish and stopped Lando from even having a chance to win himself.
The idea that this situation is mostly to be carried by Lando is absolutely brain dead. McLaren messed this up. "They're just getting used to being at the front" is not a excuse for failing at your job to manage the race. The drivers jobs are to win. Thats what their default is and should be. Laying the load on Lando in the media is lazy.
Normal McLaren behavior
Ah but their job is to make the team win.
Honestly even if Piastri pitted first and came out ahead, Lando should have gotten priority simply because he is way closer in the championship. WTH is this childishness of obsessing over a race win instead of aiming for the championship. Stu**d as hell.
And for god's sake there was no undercut threat from Hamilton at the time that they pitted. The commentators said as much.
@@jonathangarrett9171 No. Their job is to take that car thats under them over the line first. The teams job is to get 2 drivers that can do do that more times than not. Racing at its core couldnt be more simple.
McLaren's had years up front in decades past, so this whole excuse of "They're just getting used to being at the front" is BS, anyway. Red Bull didn't forget how to win races during Mercedes' dominance, and Mercedes didn't either, during the recent spell of Red Bull dominance. Stella's the typical, incompetent Ferrari employee looking for someone to blame other than himself, and the British media is defending him for no reason other than the team being British
Imagine the shitshow that will happen if Lando comes second in the drivers championship, losing the title by less than the points he lost on this team order...
Imagine Norris hadn't complied and Piastri came second in the Championship to Verstappen by 3 points.
Anyone citing the hypothetical you do needs to think whether they are just driver fan-boying or just hyper-nationalistic
@@pauldroop only that Oscar is not even in the discussion as the running for the championship while Lando is literally in the 2nd position, the only one who can realistically challenge Max...
Call it hypothetical but there is the scoreboard to back it up
Never ever should they make the fastest car & driver give up a win.
Most controversial 1-2 finish since Multi 21 Seb
Guess Lando didn't have Seb's guts.
+ Fernando is faster than you
This is about as controversial as Russia 2019 with Ferrari, except they didn’t ended up losing a 1-2. It’s not even a quarter as controversial as multi 21
Since US gp 2015, remember the cap throw by Nico.
Lmao no
McLaren had enough delta over the other cars. They should have pitted Oscar first and let them race. Now both drivers feel icky and everyone looks weak.
thats easy to say on monday morning, but Lewis is a pace machine, he could have surprised them imo.
@@ChuyR.I agree with you
@@ChuyR. even if their data showed that Lewis was a threat, they could have told Lando to let Oscar through and that they’re free to race. The point is, they walked away with a 1-2 and don’t come across as a force to be reckoned with
@@ChuyR. He is but he's no god, he's fight was with Max, McLaren had a clear tire and pace advantage over Lewis. They also had enough margin to have a slow stop and get Lando out without losing any ground on Lewis. There was no reason to throw Oscar's strategy. He was ahead and earned preference. If Lando gets a slow stop and some how Lewis gets him, Lando has way better tyres and was much faster, he can get back that P2. McLaren gets their 1-2 and there's no drama.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks yeah but that’s Monday Quarterbacking, it was though to know at the time.
As a McLaren fan, this is not how you do it. I feel bad for both drivers.
Two takeaways from this are that McLaren are still too inept to be in a title fight and I fear that Lando doesn't have the ruthlessness necessary to ever become a champion.
I think ruthlessness has nothing to do with it. If anything he's too shortsighted. He has lost races by extending leads out of pure greed and an odd engineer dynamic, and done questionable overtakes because he doesn't want to wait a corner, like two of the dives on Verstappen in the race where they collided. I think Max would have given more space if Norris hadn't pissed him off with the failed overtakes. The exact thing that happened to Max here in Hungary will happen to Norris if he doesn't get his head straight. Tumbling down the order because he's seeing red. It's obvious which of the drivers has the championship mentality and it's unfortunately not their fastest driver. Being a champion is not about being ruthless 10% of the time, it's about remaining coolheaded 90% of the time. George is a good example because doesn't fumble because he's not tough enough, it's because he loses focus and get frustrated.
2 things that should have happened that I never heard were:
1. Inform Lando before the stop that he might end up in front of Piastri and they expect him to move over immediately, with confirmation he understands.
2. If he didnt move over then Andreas should have got on the radio after the 2nd or 3rd time of his engineer asking nicely and said "Lando, invert the order before T(x) of this lap, that is an instruction"
From the conversations we heard during the race the engineer said to Ln that remember what we discuss every Sunday morning.. They already talk about it before the race so Ln was just being a sook. Next time whoever is in front gets pit rights as it should be.. Second guy just waits..
@@malsmith2012 Based on what he said, it's more likely they always talk about "The team first" or something instead.
If this had been a clearly discussed strategy, then the reactions seen wouldn't have been the reactions from everyone involved.
You didn’t even mention the engineer lying repeatedly to Norris about purported tyre wear during the race. That didn’t help the trust and credibility in the moment.
He should fire his engineer
That. Norris saved his tyres a lot in 1st stint, he obviously knows if his tyres are good or not.
Engineer should be direct from the start, when he talked about teamwork, championship, and safety car, Lando finally understand because those are real arguments.
@@sooperman05 His engineer was surely following instructions from Andrea Stella, he doesn't have the power to give team orders on his own.
Seems to me this video was made to portray Lando as the villain.
Not 100% sure but it looked like Oscar was also told to manage tires until the last few laps where he picked up his pace and was on par with Norris' lap times. If anything Norris ignored the manage your tires instructions while Piastry seemingly didn't.
you can really tell that Andrea Stella used to work for Ferrari. absolute clownery.
“Ok Fernando we box now, we box now. Confirm please”
Abu Dhabi 2010, the one where Alonso gets stuck behind Petrov for the whole race.
Stella was Alonso’s race engineer that night.
dude, Mclaren has the fastest car now... who would you put in his place? Seidl has a complete mess at Sauber.
Andrea needs improvement, yes, but the only ones who could replace him are managing other teams by now.
and most importantly, he managed to have a design team to design a better car than REdbull, thats a big acomplishment.
@@ChuyR. There is a reason that Audi swooped in and took Seidl to prepare them for 2026. That man put up an amazing foundation in McLaren before leaving
They made one tiny mistake and it needlessly gets blown out of proportion.
They wanted to be extra safe to secure McLarens P2 from Hamilton overtaking them.
Yeah maybe it’s not ideal, but if Piastri didn’t drive off track and lose 4s in one lap then this situation would not have happened.
A 1-2 and yet a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. Well done, McLaren.
F1 is a unique sport in this respects. It is both a team sport and an individualistic sport.
I'm missing something here. Why did Mclaren operate this strategy in the first place? It would have been Lando's second win, not like he's won as many as Max V for example this season. What exactly were Mclaren wanting to achieve? Oscar is a great driver, no doubt, but Lando has been in that team for a lot longer than he has. The team points were going to be maximum anyway finishing one and two, no matter which one of the drivers won. So i am confused about Mclaren's thinking here.
Dude, I asked the very same question. I thought I really missed something. No dude. U missed nothing. This was utter bs 100%. From me(ex Mclaren admirer).
Because Oscar would be aggrieved to be undercutted by his teammate and lose his race victory. That is NOT how the rules of engagement of pit priority work. Piastri rightfully had the race victory well under control before the second stop.
Team simply assumed that they can reverse undercut - contradicting the stance that they can race each other. Unless they fix the root cause, Lando either wins championship or leaves the team. The slogan of team first, in this case is just cover-up for a bad mistake by McLaren. How soon can Lando join Mercedes if McLaren doesn't win him the championship?
@@TassieLorenzo why should Norris have to pay for the mistakes made at the pit wall?
@@halofreak1990 Norris only got the lead because of the pit wall... "Why should Piastri have to pay for the mistakes made at the pit wall?" 😉
Stella can say what he wants about their shitty team morale, but you can’t make me believe that the team telling Lando that his win wouldn’t have mattered to them didn’t leave a scar.
It wouldnt. WDC is not in reach. Verstappen is 100points ahead and Lando won outrace Max every race. Its a no brainer.
@@tvs99999it's less than 80 points. Without this ridiculous fuck up he would be 69 points behind. The WDC is definitely within reach.
This was a completely self inflicted wound on McLaren's part. Hamilton was too far back to be a threat.
Both Norris and Piastri could have then raced and Piastri's first GP win wouldn't have been ruined like this.
Yeah this is what I was wondering too and they didn't mention in the video. It seems the concensus was that Hamilton wasn't close enough and they didn't need to pit Norris first. Maybe McLaren was being too cautious and reacting to other teams too much. Undercutting the lead driver feels just makes the whole situation more difficult. And the team radio was very roundabout. They wanted Norris to "make the right choice." Feels like the team doesn't know how or is unwilling to play the bad guy and tell him straight up and makes the whole situation worse. Leadership needed to intervene and make a strong decision but they shifted the burden to their driver instead
Imagine Lando losing the championship by 1 to 6 points. This would be wild..
Even if they lose by 25 points, this race decision will affect the future. RB would drive differently if someone was one win away from taking the championship, which might pressure them into a mistake later in the year.
He will need Piastri to support him, that's worth more than 7 points.
@@jamessmith1652 you are everywhere in this comment section giving the same exact take. Piastri isnt gonna fuck you bro
Why shouldn't he support him, team should come first. In this situation the only team they look out for was RB @@jamessmith1652
Or count back 1st 2nd 3rd's
it was hilarious to see the team radio keep popping up. What are they going to tell him next?
"Lando, your mum just called, can you stop by right now and ring her back?"
"Lando, they just changed the direction of the race track in the section your on. You need to do a couple of loops to get back in the right direction."
"Lando, if you don't slow down, all the cake will be thrown out for all the children here. Do you want to disappoint ALL the children?
Can you imagine if Lando loses the championship by 24 points?
😂 Lando probably should have swapped ASAP to then try and overtake him, but McLaren should definitely have the policy of whoever is in with the best chance of a WDC gets priority
He only got 7 less points by finishing 2nd, not 25
That shit was so uncomfortable to listen to lmao
@@ChrisPBacon9It was awkward. Very awkward.
@@sirstabbyfork9675 if he loses by 6 somehow, this will go down as one of the greatest blunders in sports.
I think y'all got this one wrong and Norris should've taken P1. He's second in the championship with 11 races left to go, and he has a shot at the title (might be a longer shot, but it's a shot). Every point counts for him right now to stay in possible contention, and with Red Bull finally showing some severe weaknesses as McLaren is getting more solid, he should be going for it WITH the team behind him! They just as easily could've told this to Piastri that this is the case and that it's part of being in F1! Other teams force driver swaps when they have a driver with a shot at the title, there's zero surprises to that happening. If Stella wants to maintain this team first and all costs attitude, they're going to be losing drivers and finding a difficult time getting good ones.
Totally agree, and I'm a Red Bull fan.
People seem to be forgetting that Oscar had a commanding lead whereby he wouldn't have been undercut by Lando pitting first, but then dipped a wheel in the gravel and lost almost all of that advantage. Yes, McLaren could still have pitted him first, but it was hardly a clean-cut decision and actions by all three parties played their part to different extents.
The issue is that McLaren decided Oscar should win, then bullied Lando out of his victory. Oscar pitted 2 laps later probably based on original tire strategy - they just took Lando compliance for granted. They should have communicated from the start to reverse a potential undercut and then race.
Oscar made a mistake that lost him time and that's on him. Lando took a commanding lead in the last stint. The only fault is with the team. Imagine if Max wins championship by less than 7 points.
@@IustinDornescu You are just clueless. No one lets themselves get undercut in Hungary because the undercut is OP there. They only did it like that because they are on the same team so they should be able to trust each other. Lando was only given the earlier pit stop so Hamilton couldn't undercut him.
"They have to put the team interest first"
How is the team interest hurted in any way, they would still have been 1-2 ...
Because they have a decent driver relationship between Piastri and Norris right now. If you want to know how bad it will get if your drivers are fighting each other think about Senna/Prost, Alonso/Hamilton, Hamilton/Rosberg, and Ocon/Anyone.
By a really talented rising star driver feeling consistently wronged and leaving using their exit clause, stuffing the teams future.
That's why the team had to right their wrong on this.
Make no mistake Piastri has been very consistent, patient and only 1 year of full time driving. He is in no shortage of interests and that is from the very top teams should he become disgruntled.
@@TeeRollss Ocon/Anyone🤣🤣
it's certainly true though; if he's in HAAS next year then let's hope he learnt his lesson from Alpine this year about being a team player.
@@crxdelsolsir Now lets explore the 'Loyal McLaren driver' thats been sticking with the team through rain and shine for the last 3-4 years, essentially being the only positive aspect (except maybe Ricciardos smile) the team had to offer. Considering that this is the second time he's been told 'For the good of the team', that he's not allowed to take the win (21 monza, he was ordered to hold behind Daniel, even if he was significantly faster).
The doom and gloom side of me can see a world where Lando never wins again, and Piastri is the new golden boy - and this win being the catalyst. I can even see a world where this was planned by McLaren, to ensure that Piastri can potentially take the championship himself, and continue his f3 and f2 results. Its very unlikely, but it COULD come to pass, that RB has enough troubles that Verstappen DNFs a few races - And suddenly race on.
They were 1-2. Did u not watch the race?
You could look at it as Norris questioning what is best for the team, not what he was being told to do.
The fact that McLaren think that it's not best for the team to push the driver best positioned to win the championship to win is mind blowing
I have the feeling this MCL decision is going to back fire...
McLaren don't have a no.1 driver yet. Can't just assert that mid-race without a proper discussion.
@jamessmith1652 Who is in front of Points??? How long will the pressure on Max hold. Come on now. This was totally silly. I would have chosen Lando over Oscar for this RACE!! If Max was behind them , Then sure ,but maximum points for Lando until it is impossible to catch Max should be the goal just my VIEW.
I don't get it either surely Lando winning was best for McLaren. He was the only one with a real chance to challenge Verstappen 🤔
@@jamessmith1652 That's delusional if you or Mclaren think Lando isn't the number 1
I've never seen a situation where the Team needs grow up more then the drivers
have you seen Ferrari for the last 4 years?
It's part of the process, they'll get there
Ferrari knows they screwed up the strategy. Mclaren places the focus on the drives in the eyes of the public. Strategists need to get a pay cut to hire a new chief strategist.
@@jkalmonagreed
@@MrKh4O been saying this since 2007 mate
This is racing. Lando was the racer ahead on track. Piastri couldn't catch him. How does that make it Lando's problem?
How much do you expect him to slow down? The problem was created by the team, and now people lay the blame on Lando? Ridiculous!
Or...
The entire team except Norris was working to the same plan...
Zak Brown needs to criticize Red Bull a little less and concentrate on his own team a little more. The race was an embarrassment.
I think it’s good Norris kinda showed them they shouldn’t take it for granted. He wants to be a teamplayer but also wants to make clear he wants to catch Max, so they shouldn’t try to manufacture a result that isn’t (at that time) natural at all.
Couldn't have said it better myself. He's made it known now, fingers crossed they don't do this nonsense again
Right, if I'm Piastri I don't want my first win like that anyway.
Nothing was manufactured. It was a strategy to protect Norris so clearly the fair thing to do would be to re-establish the order a.s.a.p. Instead Norris tried to profit for himself from a team strategy that was intended to protect him. Despicable really. Now the team can't trust him anymore and he won't get such offers of protection in future.
@@jamessmith1652this is a terrible take.
He should've gone all the way, you'd never see the likes of Lewis, Max, or Fernando give up a win in that situation. I'm afraid that he doesn't have the ruthlessness necessary for winning the world championship.
Lando didn't deserve any bashing after this shit show. The blame is at McLaren. They had the gap on Hamilton, it was more than enough. They could've just pit Oscar on that lap and then Lando on the next one.
They are so eager with trying to hit the perfect score and protect everything that they forgot how to manage a race.
McLaren clearly isn't used to fighting at the front, and needs to put Stella on the radio to clearly tell Lando to give back the lead to Oscar. It appears from what Oscar said post race, that the driver who was ahead at the first lap would get priority. But then McLaren undercut Piastri twice and put Lando in the awkward position of needing to give back the lead to Oscar. Lando ultimately did the right thing but the blame lies with McLaren in how they ordered the late pit stops and not being more forceful on the radio with Lando late on. McLaren will improve their race management as they keep racing at the front. I do sense that Lando truly fears that Oscar will rise above him over time. The team needs both drivers to achieve their goals but keeping both happy won't be easy
Lando behaved like a child
The emotional blackmail and gaslighting was incredible. Shows McLaren are not ready for a sustained championship fight, despite the "collaborative" culture Zaky-poo loves to preach about
Don’t you disrespect Fat Brown like that
I’m sorry but where was the gaslighting? McLaren were clear after Lando’s pitstop that it was to protect from a Hamilton undercut (I don’t think they were ever in real danger of that) and that positions were to be inverted.
If Lando had thought it through he would have easily let Oscar through early on and then attacked him as he clearly had the pace but yet again it’s another issue Lando has to sort because he’s not making smart race decisions and too many mistakes in high pressure situations. Max, Lewis and Fernando very rarely if at all make those errors when in positions to win.
Also his attitude in the cool down room where Lewis praised how fast their car was only for Lando to take it the wrong way with a sarcastic and frankly disrespectful manner shows how much growing up he’s got to do.
His engineer was right to tell him that he will need his teammate to help him win a title wasn’t blackmail or gaslighting but just stating the obvious to him.
This is on both Lando and McLaren - Lando doesn’t get a pass here.
@@matthewbarber13 The gaslighting was his engineer pretending that he needed to slow down and worry about tire management when that was clearly never the case. 😂
@@lukew6725 thats not what that means
@@lukew6725literally not the definition of gaslighting, those messages were a clear communication of YOU NEED TO SLOW DOWN so that you can let Oscar through without losing time to p3/4 but Lando decided that he didn’t want to play the team game knowing full damn well that he had to do the right thing. As this was communicated to him when they boxed him ahead of Oscar for the 2nd time.
Like I said previously this is 50/50 on McLaren and Lando but gaslighting is not what it was.
I will admit that I'm a Lando fan but I'm also not a blind follower. Looking into this race objectively, Lando acted like a petulant child. He had already been told to bring the car back to its original position, but he played deaf. The pit wall had to endlessly repeat the request it became pathetic. More importantly, there was already a team agreement on the strategy that the lead would be given back in case the scenario played out.
If he changed position right away, Lando would still have more than twenty laps to fairly prove he was faster than Oscar and wouldn’t have put Oscar in an awkward position. He didn’t even try to race hard on Lando after he pitted because he already sensed that Lando didn’t want to switch. He ruined Oscar’s first win.
I still have not heard a reason why McLaren even wanted them to swap from any RUclips channel.
For me: Lando did get into first. Lando was clearly faster at the end. So Lando should've got the win.
There was no benefit to McLaren to make them swap, they still got their 1-2 points for the Constructors.
But there was LOSS to Lando to close the gap to Max in the Drivers.
So weird to tell the guy who is ahead in the championship to give up points? Aren't McLaren in the business of trying to win both championships?
Lando has done all the hard yards in the lean years and stayed with the team yet they do this to him when it is Piastri that should be biding his time till he gets his opportunity.
Would this have happened if Zak Brown had been there? Depending on what the 2026 cars look like I can see Lando going somewhere else if they keep messing him about.
Well Piastri can also still win the championship. Before you Lando fans worry about catching Max, you should worry about Oscar snatching that P2 because right now, Oscar is closer to Lando in the driver's standing than Lando is to Max. And I am not sure why people don't get the hint, McLaren is seeing their future with Oscar and they made that clear with Lando after what happened from the Hungary GP. They can just give the win to Lando but they made a statement that Oscar is equal to him.
Lando may be the highest paid employee putsode the boardroom, bit he is still just an employee
In the ego-fuelled world of F1, many people forget that, including fans.
It was pretty clear no matter how Mclaren try to spin this is that they lost control of the situation in the last few laps. The back and forth between Lando and his race engineer just shows that. If they really want to either ask Lando finish first or second, just order them directly through team orders. Get someone that is their equivalent of James Vowles back in Mercedes to show the pitwall is serious about whatever decision they want. Don't go through the yapping of tire wear of both drivers pushing too much or whatnot. It's silly that it even got to a point where Mclaren were basically guilt tripping Lando to give the position back.
Regardless of whether or not Oscar or Lando should have won, what remains is that Mclaren needs to be clearer with what it wants to do. You can't tell Oscar not to worry about Lando and then have him see his maiden win slip away. You can't have a situation where you undercut a driver with your teammate who is clearly preferred and then beg for that teammate to give the place back. And you can't leave out an issue lap after lap because that just allows tensions to boil over.
"Ralf you cannot overtake Damon, that is a team order". Is how it is done.
Thank you! Amen!
15 SECONDS in front of Hamilton. This made ZERO sense. There was no chance that they were going to lose the 1-2 finish. How is it any better that PIA finishes first? There is NO WAY both drivers will finishs 1-2 in the points so why play this card? They did LANDO DIRTY!
Saying they did Lando dirty after the team threw Oscar under the bus is wild
The only things worse for McLaren would have been for Oscar to tell them to shove it and sit in second. He would've been within his rights to come out and say they screwed him, yet again. But he's still very young so they were protected from their own incompetency.
This season feels as though there have been a higher level of incompetent decisions by teams. What happened with Riccardo in this race was only hidden by McLarens screw up. Feels like some of these decision makers are either living in a video game or running conflictive motives.
This is a non issue when verstappen, Lewis, or Leclerc get the "right" pit stop call, yet this is an issue for Lando. Why was it a forgone conclusion that Piastri was going to win?
It's clear McLaren don't even want to entertain the idea of catching up to Max on the WDC standings with half the season left to go and seemingly having the best all-around package at the moment.
I thought the same, they showed they gave up on lando winning a championship after all these years of him sticking with them.
Look at it rationally. Norris is 76 points behind in the wdc but McLaren are only 51 points behind Red Bull in the constructors. Prizes are only given for the constructors. With all the will in the world I would love to see either McLaren driver as wdc but the constructors is more realistic this year.
@@zeberto1986lando winning doesn’t change the constructors points, and yes they are far behind and it would take 5 more races like this to catch up but are you really saying they shouldn’t even try?
@@oIZemiixo im not saying they shouldnt try, this is the best chance theyve had in decades at both titles. Im just looking at what is most likely to be achieved. Lando would need to outscore Max by an average of 8 points per race until the end of the year to beat Max. For the constructors its a lot simpler. McLaren could lead Red Bull in as few as 2 races depending on results. As thats a dream world Id say 3-5 races and McLaren could be leading the constructors. In summary its harder to claw back the wdc so the contructors should be the focus, doesnt mean they shouldnt go for both though. Never know whats possible until you try!
Before you Lando fans worry about catching Max, you should worry about Oscar snatching that P2 because right now, Oscar is closer to Lando in the driver's standing than Lando is to Max.
It's wild. Last season they said that they wanted to be fighting for the championship this season. But they clearly are not ready behind the pit wall. The car is 2 steps ahead of the team. Midfield mentality with a top car. Like they're racing their own shadows. It's already showing similar levels of cracks of the past when they last had top drivers and top cars. It's embarrassing.
Over the summer they need to regroup. They're gonna be their own undoing. This isn't a team that's ready to fight championships. If Red Bull and Mercedes weren't struggling with their own issues, they'd eat McLaren alive. Right now the only people that can fully pat themselves on the back is the technical team that's working directly on the car. Everyone else needs to step it up.
I don't know how difficult it was to tell Lando: we made a mistake and undercutted Oscar without willing, we need to make it right so please swap with him just for this time, then race.
They would have to admit to their mistakes which is not typical McLaren behavior 😂
Having one driver wait several seconds for another and then having them race would be the worst possible thing to do. They would be risking the 1-2. What if they both crashed out?
They screwed up and put Lando in front. Lando was then simply faster. Let him win. "Sorry Oscar, our bad."
If I was in Oscar's place I would not want the swap. He could not catch up.
@@joaopaulo-ms5it If I were Oscar I would have waited for Lando so we can both over the line at the same time, then brake at the last second so Lando goes over first.
Mind you, I'm not a pro racer nor was I ever competitive enough to go for the top level in sports, so take what I say with a heavy dose of salt.
@@deanchur I mean yeah. I understand the first race win type shit. But if I were Oscar and saw Lando fking me up 6 seconds ahead, I would just leave it and let him have it. You dont want your first win to be made by a position swap. fucked strategy or not.
@@tvs99999 *_Agreed._*
I was honestly surprised that Piastri didn't tell the team he didn't want to win like this.
I'm not saying he should blame himself for the embarrassment, I was just surprised because I really thought the pride of most of these drivers would've kept him from taking it.
The main problem for F1 and all of our favourite drivers and Teams especially Mclaren is that they cannot seam to beat that Hamilton guy
If Lando had let Oscar past 20 laps earlier and given him a 1 second head start he could probably have won on the track.
Possibly, but it is very ,very hard to overtake at Hungary
@@MrSniperfox29 well then Lando shouldn't have lost P1 at turn 1. It's his fault all the way through.
@@JMurph2015 Piastri shouldn't have lost nearly 2.5 seconds with his off track moments
Exactly!!!!!!!!
@@JMurph2015stupid
Hollow victory for Oscar id feel embarrassed tbh
Oscar didn't appear to be jubilant, and enthusiastic after his 1st F1 Victory.
Embarrassed for Strategists, not Oscar, had Lando's measure till the order 66 pitstop....
Yeah, Oscar diserved better for his first win. And it seemed likely that this would not have been that race for him, so the pit walls messages really hollowed out the day for Oscar.
Exactly
Would have been a moment for Piastri to ingratiate himself and be the bigger man, saying "let's max out Lando's points for the championship sake"
Being gifted the win won't mean very much. Noticing the lack of emotion in the winning radio message
@@Rearmostbean "Being gifted the win". Nope, Lando was almost gifted the win, not Oscar. Lead car always gets priority! If Lando's so 'fast', pass your teammate, on track!
I think this could have been avoided with better communication to Lando before the stop. Something like: "Hey Lando, we want to bring you in first to protect you from Max. It is possible you may undercut Oscar from this. If that happens, we want you to give the position back." Now Lando knows the team's plan and understrands he is getting a benefit and then will be payting that back to Oscar ahead of time, rather then having to be guilted into it afterwards in a really embarrassing way.
They should've at the very least given him the option to choose, but it seems like they didn't give enough time for that even if they did tell him.
McLaren messsy strategy and team orders. All this could have been avoided by giving Piastri priority and letting them race till the end. Norris most likely would’ve won based off pace and it would’ve been a simple 1 2. They’re lucky the car was dominant this weekend and Max/Redbull struggles so much.
The argument being peddled by the majority that this was Mclaren's fault is bullshit. They made it clear to Lando what the strategy was. Lando just didn't like it. He eventually thought his way through it and did the appropriate thing. His decision making is more and more a problem.
This team orders bullshit needs to be banned :/
McLaren make Ferrari look like a competent team
Well, Stella is Italian. No wonder.
Wouldn't go that far...
Ferrari would have thrown away the 1-2....
Only difference is that the McLaren is a better car 😅😅
You can take the man out of Ferrari, but you can't take Ferrari out of the man.
You would think Mclaren would want their driver with the highest amount of points to win, but I guess they are playing a different game 😂
It’s very clear they have no faith in Lando… so sad after all the faith he put into the team for the past 6 years 😢
Look at the stats bro. You get nothing for second place. Lando would quite literally have to win every race from now on to have a chance and thats not happening.
Lando said the team orders were that they were free to race! Lando should have let Oscar through right away and followed for a few laps. Lando would then have had about 15 laps for a clean safe overtake (like Max passing Checo in Miami 2023). Much harder for the team to argue that the faster car can’t pass, especially if they are free to race. Poor decision making by Lando, he should have done everything he can to get Oscar pass ASAP , avoid the drama and chance to take P1.
I think Lando knew he had no chance to overtake similar car, similar tyres at Hungaroring.
They already did it back at their last one two 21? When Lando was the faster car but had to stay behind Ric because the team wanted to comfort Ric.
Here they told him he can race until lap 45. So I think they would not have allowed him to overtake even if he were the faster car in the last stint.
@@jamessmith1652 That’s a good point, but it seemed like Lando had faster lap times or had he been behind Oscar when he went into the gravel maybe he overtakes.
The very last sentence shows why The Race is like state TV ; when it comes to journalism and objective criticism you fumble it.
McLaren is at fault, not Oscar or Lando.
Lando did no wrong and Oscars first win was ruined by a strategy blunder.
Its a joke that anyone is looking at the drivers in a bad light at all.
How do you have three F1 journalists representing the exact same perspective on such a layered, nuanced issue? Is this a dogma.
God forbid people have the same opinion on an issue. If you listen to their podcast, you would notice they don't always exactly agree.
The main issue I have with this is. Lando is trying to fight Max. Oscar has attacked him 3 times now when he is trying to defend from Max attacking and Oscar has taken advantage. Oscar is not helping Lando he is hindering him. It’s going to end in tears.
If Lando learns how to start a race, he won't be under pressure from Oscar or Max. And Oscar couldn't know Lando's start was so poor that Max was on the outside.
@@thomasvrielink299 not sure you watched the race. Lando had his whole throttle assembly replaced on the grid. How did he know how it was going to be, going to react.
@@andrewbaron8713 I watched the race, but nothing before or after so I had no idea Lando had somewhat of an excuse for his poor start this time. All the more reason for Oscar to pass him and not allow Max to get ahead of both of them then. Still, the start is something Lando has struggled with this season, so you can't really blame me for thinking he just f-ed up again.
@@thomasvrielink299 fair play mate, just think think when your whole throttle assemble has been replaced on the grid. You’re not going to know how it’s going to react at the start.
Before you Lando fans worry about catching Max, you should worry about Oscar snatching that P2 because right now, Oscar is closer to Lando in the driver's standing than Lando is to Max.
I wonder how different this race would have been if Lando had just given the position over immediately and then proceeded to pass Oscar since Lando had much more pace on the last stint.
You really think they would have allowed him to do so? They only allowed him to race until lap 45 during the second stint.
Oscar was saving tyres for the distance n incase of a safety car. He was told don’t worry about lando. There managing the situation. I see nothing wrong in what McLaren were doing. They pitted lando to cover Lewis as they didn’t want to be under cutter by him on hards. Lando reminded me of seb in 2013. Hopefully he matures quickly. They all want to win but when team gives an order you follow that order. You drive for the team. Win and lose together. Lando wasn’t going to give that place. He was hoping for a safety car to eliminate the chance to swap places without risking the 1-2. Look at the Mercedes same gp 2017. That’s proper respect between team n the your team mate.
Exactly. Lando should have let Oscar go past then raced for the win.
He would not have been able to pass Oscar and he knew it. Lando has a bad attitude and I don't think he will ever be able to develop into a good teammate. It's unfortunate because on paper they should be a great duo and Oscar is good at getting along.
@@Wow1337lol bad attitute I wonder in what world.
He is not a Hamilton, Schumacher, Verstappen who do things only for themself and not for the team.
Lando already forfeit a victory (which would have been his first btw) to Ricciardo back in 21 when he was the faster driver. He is always following team orders and if he, like in this case, would just give up a race win without some resistance he should not be a racer at all.
What i didn’t understand was why Piastri winning the race meant “putting the team first” they were P1 & P2 so the team would have got the same points regardless of which driver finished first
Because Norris was given the undercut on Hamilton NOT on Piastri. Therefore he needs to reinvert with Piastri FOR THE TEAM.
@@TassieLorenzo yes but that was the team tactic to ensure they get P1 & P2, Norris winning would have not made any difference for the team, it would have only made a difference for the drivers standings
They wouldn't have been 1 & 2 if they had pitted Piastri first. Had they done so, Lando would have really had to prove himself on track, likely having to now overtake both Hamilton and Verstappen, instead of being handed the lead via pit stop. It's not Piastris's fault that Lando HAD to be pitted first, when in normal circumstances, the lead car would get the option to pit first for the undercut. But the real problem was how Lando handled it... it wasn't a good look for him.
They had plenty of advantage over Hamilton and Verstappen to just follow the norm - Give the leading driver (Piastri) preference on the best pit stop strategy. Stop him first, whatever is most advantageous, and then if they meet on track after that, let them race. They stole any chance for Piastri to feel like he truly won the race by deciding the finishing order before the second set of pit stops, and then they made it worse by giving Norris the preferential pit strategy so that he would have to give up the position voluntarily on track. Now both Piastri and Norris will be questioning what the finishing order might have been had they pitted Piastri first and let them race to the finish.
Can't believe how fast the race videos show up on my feed, was looking forward to this one.
Why didn't Lando just let Oscar past when he was first asked, then race him on the track for the outright win?
I think the point was that they wanted Oscar to actually win. A genuinely mind boggling decision.
Because you risk wrecking both cars. And if you "let Oscar past" it is not really racing anymore anyway. If Oscar couldn't catch Lando on better tires with the same car, he didn't deserve the win. Lando was being diplomatic by saying Oscar deserved the win, but he knew the truth.
@@NinthDensity "think" is doing the heavy lifting here. This is being said a lot, but I haven't seen anyone back it up. Just an assumption that is really hard to take seriously. What would the radio to Lando have been had he allowed the swap sooner? "Thanks for that mate. Now listen, we know you are the only driver besides Max that has a chance to win the DC, but we need you to stay behind Oscar until the end for reasons. We don't care that you're faster."
Because he believed they could go back with their decision
Because he knew he could not overtake him on the track with same car and similar tyres.
The argument that Norris felt he should/could have been in a position to challenge Piastri doesn’t hold water.
If Lando wanted to race Piastri to the end he should have let him past at his earliest convenience and then challenged him across the remainder of the final stint. He shot himself in both feet as far as I’m concerned.
Utter nonsense ! Why would you want to be playing games like that !?? Norris was already in P1 AND was pulling away from Piastri ...... This is supposed to be 'Racing' , NOT some pre planned political excersise !
@@Jayen4 yeah but he had to give the place back, hence the end result. May as well have done what he was always supposed to do and then given himself a fighting chance of reclaiming the position across the final stint. Remember, this is a driver who was adamant he was the fastest of the two. Back yourself and fight your teammate for the win the proper way.
I don't see what's morally correct about the classic making-Rubens-throw-the-race move, especially when there seemed to be nothing on the line but a statistic. I can't remember the last time a driver reacted to hearing "P1" in their ear for the first time with a polite "yep, thanks". It's like he was embarrassed to be in that situation. Oscar deserved a more earned first win. Another unforced error from the McLaren pit wall.
All the way through Lando was getting radio messages saying he was racing Verstappen and Hamilton - I get the impression Mclaren were so keen to show that they weren't going to drop the ball that they enforced team orders after the first corner.
Mclaren have a problem here as Oscar is an odd teammate. He gets himself into great positions but ultimately isn't quick enough to go for titles over a season and could impact his teammates by holding them up. I can see Lando being on the phone to Toto, and no other top driver wanting to take his place while Oscar's there.
I don't know about everyone else but I would not want to win a race where my main opponent was told to surrender a six second gap and the lead of the race, to me. It would feel very empty.
Well, Piastri seamed very happy with it. That weasel.
It’s simple for me. One driver ran out of talent, lost control of his car and went off, TWICE! If he hadn’t made those mistakes this wouldn’t have been an issue. Asking your driver who didn’t make a mistake and was easily pulling away from his teammate, to essentially park up on the side of the road and let your team mate who can’t catch you past, just because he passed you in the first corner, is an utter joke.
It’s the equivalent of asking Oscar to give Lando the place back after the first corner, because Lando out qualified him!
And please, Stella’s quotes were embarrassing. Lando has a 7 year contract with McLaren, if he’d ignored them as he should’ve, nothing would’ve happened to Lando 🤦🏻♂️
>Asking your driver who didn’t make a mistake
You couldn't mean Lando because his start was horrendous and that's where it counts in Hungary where track position is everything. You talk about mistakes from Piastri but neglect the gap he built on Lando before that. The fact is Lando didn't get anywhere near passing Oscar until he was given a 2 lap undercut, which is not something that would have ever happened if they were on competing teams.
This is 100% on McLaren, they were embarrassing. Norris is not at fault at all and any action he took would've been criticized to some degree because of the situation his team put him in. This was not fairness, this was toxic team culture bullying. They have to let the drivers fight on track, they will never win a drivers championship with this mentality. I don't even think they'll win the constructors with this mentality, they're blowing easy strategies consistently.
This is the teams fault not the drivers. The team is putting the drivers in uncomfortable situations by trying to play all the sides instead of trying to win the championship, which is the goal of this entire season and race. Lando has put in his time the past 5 years, this is the time to give it back.
What you are forgetting is the reason Piastri was ahead in the first place. Norris was compliant in the first corner and went off the track as Piastri was not in control of his car. Norris played the team game, and should have been rewarded for this, not penalized.
and because Piastri drove Norris wide, there was no room left for Max, who would have otherwise cleanly overtaken the both of them 'round the outside.
I don't agree that this outcome was better for the team, rather it's the same for them, just worse for Lando. if they passed the finishing line in any order yesterday, they'd still have the same team championship points, but now Lando might find that these missed 7 points turn out to be VERY important towards the end of the season for the drivers championship.
Before you Lando fans worry about catching Max, you should worry about Oscar snatching that P2 because right now, Oscar is closer to Lando in the driver's standing than Lando is to Max.
Honestly felt like a necessary exchange and an important message to get across. Lando was exceedingly loyal so far and his team acts like they can just take wins for granted already, deciding who has earned what. He was clearly faster in the end and has a championship shot.
Engineer should be fired. No more loyalty to that bs.
Mclaren are 100% responsible for this fiasco
But WHY did they want Oscar to win? Still doesn’t make sense to me. Norris is potentially fighting for a championship and is now 7points worse off.
When suggesting Norris looks bad in all this you shouldn't talk about "how it looks to the outside." That's a highly personal take, there is a large group of people who think he absolutely should not have given up the position, not least because he was pulling away from Piastri. Add on top of that the championship standings, how the team put them in that position and how they tried to pressure him with b/s about the tires. The team screwed up.
I agree with this. While I was listening I was thinking "But should he?" There is an argument for him having more points and the championship considerations, and keeping some time between the cars behind them. It's anathema to slow down when you're out front. I don't think Norris did anything wrong and I'm very sure Verstappen, Hamilton or even Seb would have radioed back "Nope, ya'll made this happen and it's going to happen."
@@sliderofelay Norris was not rightfully in front. He was undercutted against his own teammate.
@TassieLorenzo So? People undercut all the time and we don't say that they didn't actually pass so it shouldn't count. The side of the track that paistri started on was the racing line so he got a better run down to the first corner so it "wasn't fair" but nobody cares because that is part of racing. Yeah the team could have handled differently but they had their reasons and they trusted that the drivers would do what they did.
Andrea Stella - "The team must come first"
also Andrea Stella - "Piastri must come first"
did you not see the race? Piastri shat on Lando turn 1 and proceeded to shit on him till the half of the race. Why should Lando get prio pitstop and a better position when he didnt even race for it?
@@tvs99999 Piastri was slower than Norris for the second half of the race though the gap was getting wider and wider. Norris fully shat all over Piastri when it mattered over multiple laps, not just the start. Piastrie wasn't as quick as Norris over the full distance (minus the last two laps) why should he be gifted the win. Anyway Norris will continue to crush Piastri over the remaining races of the season so it's all good. He will continue to be no1 in the team.
@@jonathanbowen3640 In Hungary the start matters more than anything. In the last stint Norris burned up his tyres like a petulant child as if that proved anything (only to idiots like you) while Piastri drove sensibly, preserving his tyres and minimizing risk since there was already a large gap to the teams behind. Piastri was faster than Norris by some margin on the final laps, once Lando finally got the cars back in the correct order and racing between the two could resume.
@@Wow1337lol The start doesn't matter when you have DRS Hence there was a large number of overtakes into turns 1 and two.
There is zero evidence wore his tires out. His pace never reduced in relation to piastri even up until the last few laps He was simply going his normal pace which as faster than Piastri as proven by his position in the championship ahead of him also his qualifying pace was superior. You can enjoy watching Norris slap Piastre down for the remaining races of the season. He's ahead now and he will remain ahead forever.
@@jonathanbowen3640 Piastri put over 2 seconds into him in the last couple of laps.
Lando was in the wrong?? What?! He’s racing. If Pastry couldn’t catch up then it wasn’t his race to win. It was awkward from the moment they asked him to give the position back. That was dumb.
Norris was given an UNDERCUT on Piastri! That's not the rules of engagement.
1. Lando bottled the start of the race AGAIN.
2. Lando couldn't pass Oscar for 40 laps despite being the faster driver like what Lando fans are saying.
3. Lando couldn't get within DRS of Oscar for 40 laps despite being the faster driver like what Lando fans are saying.
4. The team gifted Lando the P1 position which he didn't deserve.
5. The team tried to steal Oscar's win after giving priority pit stop to Lando.
6. The team realised their mistake and corrected it by asking Lando to give back the P1 position he didn't deserve.
7. Being petty as he is, Lando doesn't want to give it back and burned his tires trying to make a statement - by creating a 6s gap.
8. After the switch, Oscar immediately created a 2 second gap to Lando and Lando couldn't keep up because his tires were cooked.
9. Lando is second in the championship but Oscar is only 40 points behind Lando. The chances of Oscar catching Lando are higher than Lando catching Max.
10. After what happened to Hungarian GP, Mclaren made it clear to Lando that he is not the no.1 and that Oscar is equal to him. They are seeing their future with Oscar.
Hope this clears everything
Completely unfair to pin this on norris, especially given hamilton was no threat to the 1-2 in the end which made the whole thing unnecessary. Lando also comfortably gapped Oscar in the last stint, is there not a discussion around who truly would’ve won or deserved to win had they been boxed in the correct order and allowed to race?
The thing is that, had they given the undercut to Oscar, nothing says Lando wouldn't have fought to win and possibly won, so it's normal he felt giving back the position wasn't that obviously the fair call.
F1 used to be a sport. Now the one who’s first isn’t allowed to win. The ghost of Ayrton Senna ain’t happy
Mercedes has an opening....Lando?
Merc is only looking for a short term driver. But I hope Landos management did some calls. Best starting to call other teams at the last 10 laps already.
Go for it! Piastri will gladly take the 2025 WDC with less competition! 😄
I didn't see Piastri helping Lando at the start- forced him wide elbows out causing him to lose places- ie racing fair enough- not sure that's great team work if they were really going for a one two. Piastri has always been a smiling assassin
That’s what I’m saying. He literally almost gave Max the lead by pulling that. He clearly isn’t a team player, so why is the onus on Lando to be one?
bro makes one move once and all of a sudden he’s not a team player? what the fuck is that waffle
It's a motor race... It has rules of engagement like on-track racing AND correct pit priority order. Since Norris was given an undercut on Hamilton and NOT on Piastri, he was required to re-invert with Piastri. At no point did Norris overtake Piastri on track.
1. Lando bottled the start of the race AGAIN.
2. Lando couldn't pass Oscar for 40 laps despite being the faster driver like what Lando fans are saying.
3. Lando couldn't get within DRS of Oscar for 40 laps despite being the faster driver like what Lando fans are saying.
4. The team gifted Lando the P1 position which he didn't deserve.
5. The team tried to steal Oscar's win after giving priority pit stop to Lando.
6. The team realised their mistake and corrected it by asking Lando to give back the P1 position he didn't deserve.
7. Being petty as he is, Lando doesn't want to give it back and burned his tires trying to make a statement - by creating a 6s gap.
8. After the switch, Oscar immediately created a 2 second gap to Lando and Lando couldn't keep up because his tires were cooked.
9. Lando is second in the championship but Oscar is only 40 points behind Lando. The chances of Oscar catching Lando are higher than Lando catching Max.
10. After what happened to Hungarian GP, Mclaren made it clear to Lando that he is not the no.1 and that Oscar is equal to him. They are seeing their future with Oscar.
Hope this clears everything
@@winterflakes101 we'll see 🙂
Spot on Ed. Totally Norris’ fault. McLaren devised the plan as they believed Norris would do the right thing and Norris completely betrayed them. 100% Norris’ fault.
what Norris did? wtf did Norris do..
He dared to dream about fighting for the WDC, shameful behaviour!
how is it not putting the team first if they get a one-two in both situations? Ridiculous.
because why? does he have a chance to win the wdc? definitely not. Even if max will not be wining he will still be getting points and Lando wont win every race.
What was the reason behind the order? Just to get piastri his first win? I just don't get it
@timothymartin2137brain dead take, they had 0 reason to make that call and robbed Noris of a chance to fight for the win
@@anhk_ythow is that a brain dead take? It’s what happened not once but twice lando pitted first on both because he couldn’t gap from third?
@@anhk_yt They had a reason, which they even told Piastri at the time. They were concerned about Hamilton. Now, we can debate that Hamilton wasn't the threat McLaren thought he was, but saying they had 0 reason to pit Lando first is just flat out incorrect.
You and many other poeple also seem to be forgetting Lando was told before the last round of pitstops that he was free to fight Oscar, "until the mid 40s" or something close to that. That implies there was an overall team plan already in place before the race that was discussed about how long the drivers would be allowed to fight amongst themselves before the team locked them into place. And Lando pitted on Lap 45. So, based on that earlier message to Lando, his opportunity to fight for the win was done when he pitted.
@timothymartin2137Lando got greedy despite the fact that his pace was clearly faster than Oscar's. Interesting.
@@aethyr6776 I agree. All signs point to McLaren having an internal agreement that the drivers race until a point before being locked. It prevents them from getting too "racy" and crashing on the last few laps and throwing everything away. Lando had pole but he messed up the start and never caught Oscar before his 40ish lap deadline, so he lost the team race. Oscar didn't help by going wide a couple of times and never catching up properly at the end. McLaren didn't help by undercutting Oscar to help Lando to cover Lewis. No one at McLaren really comes away from this looking good.
Sorry but strategy didn’t give Lando a 6 second lead on older tires, Piastri making mistakes and not being the better driver that day did. Telling your main driver to be slower so your teammate has the chance to pass you and take all the glory is just dumb. Even on the radio at the end it felt like Piastri knew he didn’t deserve the win.
At this point in the championship those extra 7 points could make the difference in the fight between Max and Lando. The 1-2 was effectively guaranteed, the strategy was played out and you still had a 1-2 and Oscar wasn't catching up. The interest of the team also includes getting Lando a fight for the drivers championship too.
Lando is now wondering if this is the right team for him…
Yes and with good cause ! I'd be telling the team straight out that if they EVER pulled a stroke like that again , that I would be looking elsewhere !
I'm dumbfounded by this analysis. Nowhere did a single commentator actually address the larger question raised by yesterday's idiocy - why, exactly, was the team justified in demanding that the faster driver in the race, who qualified on pole, cede a position to his slower teammate??
You guys repeatedly characterize the final race order as the "right outcome" as if it were res ipsa facto obvious to anyone watching. It wasn't.
Pole is irrelevant. Piastri took the lead and had a comfortable lead until he was undercutted. Since the undercut was directed at Hamilton NOT as Piastri, Norris was required to reinvert with Piastri.
Painting Lando as the bad guy here is absolutely ludicrous. Your only job as a driver is to win the race and if your team instructs you to intentionally lose, it's up to you to disobey that bullshit order
Taking a win from a driver over the Team's need for points should not be allowed. The Team should earn points no matter what the drivers choose to do while behind the wheel.
After pitting Lando first, and then Lando showing a pace advantage and driving away from Oscar, Lando should have just said F-it, I am taking this win. The team screwed up the pit stop strategy, let them handle it with Oscar. If he wants to become a world champion, he needs a bit of ruthlessness.
If lando misses the championship by 5 points he will regret giving up that place .
He should have given the position back strait away then drove past him in the last 15 laps .
He was by far the faster driver and started on pole
After sleeping on it this needed to be an option, and Mclaren need to get more forthright with their messaging. Like Rosberg said to Stella you cant leave the drivers to interpret what the team wants.
If I had been in Lando's position I would've said on radio: "Aight, I'll let him go and give him a second and a half gap, then it's race on!"
Then let him go asap to have as many racing laps as possible.
I usually like and respect you guys. But you don't seem to be covering the level of emotional manipulation going on by the McLaren pitwall towards Norris. You didn't even show or discuss the most problematic radio messages.
You're letting Mclaren off too lightly. I know you probably know a lot of these people socially, but it seems to be compromising your independence as journalists.
It was hardly that. Stella: "A driver without the right amount of team player CANNOT race in Payaya." Does Norris want to be fired like Ocon or not? Norris was given an undercu on Hamilton NOT on Piastri, therefore he was required to promptly reinvert with Piastri. It's very simple. instead he dithered and did not do so promptly.
@@TassieLorenzo lmao, Stella doesn't even know what the word 'team' means. He's an ex-Ferrari guy, from a period when the team was all individuals.
Piastri lost the right to have the position back when Lando’s lead went beyond the advantage gained from the undercut. At one point Lando was 5-6 seconds ahead, in my opinion, he deserved to keep the position.
Your wheel knowledge is showing = ZERO! Lando was burning his tires trying to create a gap to make a statement that he was faster because he didn't want to give back the position that was gifted to him. After the switch, Oscar immediately created a 2-second gap for him because Lando's tires were already cooked. Also, do you know what clear air means? Or dirty air? I dumbing down myself to explain to situation to you.
Correct. People talking about tires are confused, Norris drove the tires perfectly hence why he went so long ahead of Piastri and extended the lead. His tires were fine and would have been fine if he didnt slow down for five seconds to give his win away.
@@winterflakes101 6 seconds of dirty air dont be silly. And DRS is to compensate for dirty air if piastri was fast enough he could have used that, but he wasnt so he had to rely on team orders gifting him the win.
I'd be feeling pretty rough if i were Piastri, imagine getting your first F1 win because the team forced your significantly faster teammate to let you through.
Whether you believe Lando was being selfish or immature it did have the effect of getting everyone's minds off of their previous screw-ups, thus avoiding an overly nervous choke situation, it also allowed the pair to extend their lead over Lewis.
Also, his actions cause the McLaren team to evolve beyond just getting their cars home by being a catalyst for growth and change. No one knows if he would have drove across the finish line without a position swap but now at least they have addressed the "What if we have to consolidate the best points haul in order to win a drivers championship" strategy.