@@mahiramvevo bringing in weird arguments in vain does not help. sanskrit and tamil should have grown together with a relationship that allowed exchange of ideas.
Many of your distant relatives in South Africa are still staunch Tamil Hindus. Not all of us speak Tamil (I regret it everyday, but it was not offered in most of our schools. But my parents speak and understand), but we are extremely proud of our Tamil heritage and I for one will never abandon Sanatana Dharma... Vetrivel Muruganukku Arohara!!!!
Many thanks to both Dr. Nagaswamy and Rajivji for this wonderful exposition. One important point worth noting is this term Thirukural Nool and other forms of the time. Nool means both book as in Grantha but also "Thread" or more correctly "String". Some people say Nool is about the way books are made but they are likely because of the Stringing of aphorisms. This is a reference to "Sutra" literature with Sutra being thread which was a latter day addition and comes from a Sutra Period when works like the Brahma Sutra and the Yoga Sutra emerged. Thirukural consisting of aphorisms is thus a Sutra adapted from Manu, Kautilya and Natya Shastra and its aim was to provide the equivalent of a Dharma Sutra, Artha Sutra, and Kama Sutra - thus Aram, Porul, Inbam. The Sutraic structure is seen in Aranyakas and other Sanskritic texts is beautifully followed and Valluvar's ability to add rhythmic, pithy yet beautiful metaphors in such short aphorisms is what brings tremendous praise from all quarters. Valluvar sticks to his meter but delivers his message - something that Haiku fans may love.
Great to know how the three Books of Thirukkural serially encompass the messages and texts from various Sanskrit masterpieces like the Dharmashastra, Arthashastra, Kamashastra and Natyashastra. Great service has been rendered by Dr. Nagaswamy by highlighting these features of the Thirukkural.
There is need of protection for Mr. Nagaswamy cuz we don't know to what extent these Dravida maniacs could go.. being a kannadiga myself I can say Karnataka has managed to keep these maniacs at bay but things are changing and I fear this desease very much could spread to our state too..cuz there's so much fascination for the temilnadu kind of politics in here.. Please protect these gem of personalities.. My whole point is just this, the so called foe/SJ worriers when they come to power would never tolerate any dissent..
Respected Sri Rajiv Malhothra, Super Sir GREAT INSIGHT. Thanks for Bringing this to all of us. I think i have a Very Similar Idea of what your doing with Infinity Foundation Sir My Idea- Name - Atharvana:- "Define your own Life." Integrate - YOGA+ TEMPLES+ VEDAS+ PEETAS+ AYURVEDA+ KAMASUTRA+ NATURAL WAY OF EATING+ GURUKULAM+ ALL INDIAN DANCE FORMS + ORIGINAL INDIAN ARCHITECTURE Also needed a Website ( Digital Library) which holds all the information at one place. Universities in All states ( with Minimum of 1000 acres) A Degree shouldn't determine your Life, You should determine your Own Life - Atharvana
Very well explained by learned Dr Nagaswamy that the Tamil speaking Bharatvasi, who have been practicing Vedic Sanatana Dharma from millenniums, now got the Sanskrit sacred texts in their own Tamil Mother tongue. Tiruvelluvar had a very good knowledge of the Sanskrit Vedic text as well as Tamil language.🕉️🙏
Anothe exceptional and pointed discussion. The message is very clear. Dharma Shasthra (from Manu and others), Artha Shasthra from Kautilya, Kama / Natya Shastra (from Vatsyana) are condensed and given in wonderful work of Thirkural as 3 chapters of Aram, Porul and Inbam. By creating this minature literature Thiruvaluvar becomes a Rishi.
Thirukkural articulates that all life (not just human) are equal and should be treated as such. But Manu Smriti on the contrary suggests that human kind is divided in to four varnas and introduces a 'hierarchical society' based on birth. The fundamentals of Thirukkural and Manu Smriti are polar opposite. Comparing Manu's Smriti with Thirukkural is an insult to any Tamil scholar.
Don't just make blanket statements without reading Manu or Thirukkural. Dr Nagaswamy is quoting from Tirukkural and Manu. Varnas are first of all not based on birth. Right there you have displayed your brain's logjam.
Dr. Nagaswamy, another brilliant explanation. The unique style of Thirukural is that all 1330 verses are set in two lines, the top line has 4 words and the bottom one has 3 words. He has taken/used some poetic justice of course, by combining few words but the basic structure is 4 on the top line and 3 on the bottom in all 1330 verses. Truly a remarkable work, belongs to the entire world and not an exclusive treasure of DMK as claimed by them.
Thanks Dr Nagaswamy Ji and of course to Rajiv who is really behind the resurgence of Sanatana Dharma in recent times. We are spreading this “ good news “ ( sorry for borrowing the Christian theme here 😂)
this is very informative... Confirms that the differences in food, complexion, clothing, etc. are based on the geographical location & the native climate, topography, produce, flora & fauna of the area. It is NOT anything DIFFERENT
Thanks, Rajiv Ji and Nagaswami Ji. Requesting you to change the title/caption. Thirukkural is indeed a Dharma Sasthra (Ara Nool) written in Tamil dealing all the aspects of purushartha Dharma Artha Kama and Moksha. So the question of comparison arises when you have more than one. Probably you can change the title to something like "Dharma Sasthra in Sanskrit and Tamil a comparison".
We from North India are stunned by the Sanatana Dharma architecture, sankrit/tamil slokas, temples etc still intact- please preserve for our sake as all ours was destroyed! Thank you Dr Nagaswamy for your untiring work to preserve the Dharma. Jai
These kural for this two Adhi Medhavies. 1.One who tries to teach a fool is stupid.Since a fool continues to see things his way. Next kural : 2. One who denies what the World belives is considered to be a devil on earth.
I know some of my Tamil friends might be disappointed with the word translation from Sanskrit to Tamil. See translation itself is an art. Translation not by word by word but by essence and meaning is considered to a piece of art. The beauty of Thirukkural is there for the beauty of Tamil language indeed, but it contains the same essence as in Manusmriti. It simply displays our unified national and dharmic character. So don't be disappointed but be proud. Jai BHARAT.
@My Phone well said my friend. Most of the people who appreciate these guys neither know both of the languages. It is clear that nagasami writes his books in english is to purposely confuse foreigners who has developed interest in Tamil. I am sure that nagasami or this rajeevs intention will never come true. On the other hand more researchers would investigate the uniqueness of Tamil
It is the need of time to establish a concrete relationship between Sanskrit and Tamil, between Vedic literature and Tamil literature and between Vedic Culture and Tamil Culture. And certainly the relation is of prosperity and not of animosity.
His statement is not true because Thirukkural has three only Arathupall, Porutpal and Kamathpal ie., virtue, wealth and love. It doesn't contain mocha. Usually all religion says something about Mocha (Sorgam). He didn't believe that. Thirukkural was not recongnised by Kings and religious saints. One time Vallar and then Sankaracharya met and discussed . Sankaracharya said Sanskrit is a Matharu pazha immediately Vallar replied Tamil is Pitharu pazha. Usually some Sanskrit scholars against Tamil literature or they told it was derived from Sanskrit books. Sanskrit is also one of the old and rich language but their scholars are always against other languages.
As Dr. Nagaswamy mentions in response to Rajivji, the pan Indian culture is ONE. There is nothing to accept and digest. It's only the language that differs. What Thiruvalluvar did was translate the Vedic texts into Tamizh. There is NO separate Tamizh culture or any other culture. What we have is multiple flavors of the Vedic culture.
Dr Nagaswamy is saying again and again that it is the same culture but Rajiv ji is saying that digestion from one culture to another. That shows that he's still not ready to accept that Tamil is part of the same culture. It is not different!!! They didn't steal things from Sanskrit or anything, we are one people, descendants of same people.
Rajiv one point i want to underline when you say "so he is a learned man , he knew sanskrit etc you give impression as if TIRUVALUVAR is a solitary Sanskrit erudite in an otherwise TAMIL ambiance etc no no Tamils used language Tamil as an instrument , a beautiful instrument though to imbibe noble vedic dharmic ideas that was prevalent in TAMIL NADU at that time and all arts expressed and refereed only to that vedic air that permeated every atom of TAMIL MIND before the brainwashing succeeded in convincing TAMILS that they are no more TAMILS ...YES WE AGREE tamil is a beautiful language but what to do history says that TAMILS used it as an instrument to import vedic culture and impart it to their own people
rajiv sir, i am glad that you did this interview and tamilians should see this. i amsharing to my freinds. i would like to suggest that you should interview swamy omkarananda of theni. he is as good as dr nagaswamy and an living authority on advaita. none of his speach will end without mentioning tirukural
One basic and small doubt / clarification needed in this research. In thirukural, a word named " brahmin" or god names such as Siva, Vishnu, Brahma is there. Because sastra is nothing without Brahma name.
Gouthaman ~ Great point, but you should join the discussion & debate with a larger audience. So, please join, we can all learn & share knowledge. Rajiv’s discussion egroup: groups.yahoo.com/group/RajivMalhotraDiscussion/ Follow Rajiv Malhotra on Facebook facebook.com/RajivMalhotra.Official Twitter: twitter.com/RajivMessage
8.12 In tamil Anthanar means saint not brahman;the thirukkural said that the king is cause or root of the dharma.But he says the king should protect the dharma.He misguides.Also he accepts that vedas are the text of brahmins only.
Hir sir, Doesn't the sanskrit speaking communities need to be considered as linguistic minorities? There are few communities in karnataka and all. Couldn't this linguistic minority status be used as a tool to protect & promote sanskrit?
This would not serve the vote bank politics of Congress and other political parties. I being a Sanskrit speaker will never be supported by the leftist media
Now the dravidian movement is superseded by a new term, "Tamil nation" or "Tamil desiyam", demand for a separate "Tamil Nation", which will be later a fully "Christian Nation". This movement is well funded, well organised, aggressive, well marketed, that may have a devastating effect on our "Tamizh" civilization. The wealth of "Tamizh" is our "rich spiritual culture" passed on by our great "Siddhas" We have our "tamizh" way of living, customs, traditions, folklore, festivals, contribution to agriculture, ayurveda, siddha medicine, astrology, the finest of "village architecture". Our Gods are Murugan, Amman, Eswaran, Perumal, Vinayagar, Muneeswarar, Aiyanaar, Karuppar. etc. If we tamilzhs don't wake up now. Our culture will be fully destroyed. We will not be left with anything. Even god will not come to our help.
Pavan .kumar My Friend, Tamil is targated by many in ancient past till now.Tamil desiyam is a must.But not, as it says by cunning Periyar and Gangs and Caldwell and gangs. Our strength is our language Our agama sastras and Saivam ,Vainavam is our strengh.We have a responsibilty to protect it from all outsiders,including british made Hindi India. We have to feel as a proud Tamilans.We have to protect our culture.Keep in mind Saivam could have dead long ago, if Tamils doesnt have this self protective mentality.Mogals, and all other invaders have mixed with north indians and they are not completly belongs to this land.Thats why british choose hindi as thier next rules to carry thier same agenda. They, setup EVramasamy and telungu dravidas parties to keep thier works in Tamil naadu.no water,kavery problem, destroring the mountanis, sands looting, meethen, ..what not ? Leave Tamil nadu for Tamils.Let Tamils decide thier fate.It will be better place and Saivam will flourish.
India has seen waves of people immigrating into the country since at least 40,000 years. For historical purposes there are 3 "cultures" that developed in India. The Tribal culture who became "Harijans" who migrated around 40,000 years from East Africa. The second were the people of Sindu/Saraswati Civilization that developed along those rivers. That region even today is unstable with the Indian subcontinent clashing with the Asian plate resulting in catastrophic earthquakes. After the Saraswati river dried up/went underground, due to constant earthquakes and climactic changes, a lot of the people of the Sindu/Saraswati "Indus" civilization migrated to South India. Still many of the "Indus" people moved east and settled in the Gangetic plains and in Deccan as well. The Third was the Vedic culture that developed as the populations increased many fold through immigration. This is nothing to do with any nonsensical theories like Aryan Invasion theory. As the populations increased the existing people of the Sindus/Saraswati civilization INTEGRATED the beliefs of the immigrants with their own systems to develop the Vedic culture. That gave rise to the Varna system to support a LARGE society through division of labor. After the Maurayan period, the Vedic culture slowly moved down south starting with the Satavahana dynasty. Through the centuries, the Vedic culture was very fluid and integrated Buddhist and Jain concepts as well. Generally scholars would debates the pros and cons of each system and the absorbed the "best of" practices. The Vedic system incorporated the South Indian gods and goddesses. One classic example is Goddess Meenakshi who was married to Shiva and became goddress Parvati and some of the local gods became their sons/daughters etc. This merged the South Indian gods and the Vedic Gods. Similar to Ahmadiyya Islam for example in which Krishna is considered a prophet. So all these philosophies, gods and rituals are like waves merging with each other some going North to South and some going from South to North. So many people from both South India and North India contributed to what we now call Hinduism. From a DNA perspective all people of the Indian subcontinent, Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are all genetically the same and mixing through 10s of thousands of years.
There is a huge possibilities..that they have similarities Coz .. These things could have been then present in the society.. from south valluvar comprised it in a superior form. In north the sastra people. Thats it.. Coz all over india was only hinduism.. But in different forms.. Like saivism.. Vaishnavism etc.... Im no scholar than dr naga sir.. But i always feel free to express my thoughts.. Branded tamil attidude😎..thirukural never praised any god..(despite few references) thirukural is an universal work.. Dont bound it with in hinduism. Even though valluvar could have been a (Hindu) (in modern terms)
I think the bias towards Sanskrut has grown in recent times also due to hindi imposition as Sanskrut is also being seen by many as a passage for hindi to enter non hindi States.
This old Adhi Medhavi is lies of bags. Kural says, "A man should not lie deliberately. If he does his conscience will torment him." What are you going to prove Mr.Nasa sami?? We will take Thirukural and Gita.as well as Manu. Chapter by chapter will compare. Make a chat.tell which chapter valluvar copied from Manu and Gita. Check which one is the best. According to kural :Aram Virtue or Dharma 1.Nothing is better than virtue And Nothing is worse than forgetting it. 2.Virtue is found only in spotless mind. 3.Virtue is in smiling face,loving eye's and Sweeter word from heart. Love is the soul of life.Those with out it are mare bones covered with skin. This is Thirukural. Always be remembered this kural "A wound caused by fire will heal A wound caused by the tongue will never heal." Dear Don't lie.How were u historian.your historic works all lies of bags.
For sure every Tamizhan will mad if Tamil people know this. How come he says Thirukural took from Dharma sasthra. Everyone want to take thirukural for them.
Nice video. Seems a learned man. However we dont seem to acknowledge the treatment of women in dharmsashtra. Can we have a discussion on that as well. Also the timeline. When was dharmsashtra written. The video says 4000 years ago. Other sources say 2000 years ago.
Those who can understand Tamil, please watch this video - ruclips.net/video/lA5yowi3Bko/видео.html Dr. D.A.Joseph Ramanuja daasan (ex-Christian and now a Sri Vaishnava Hindu), explains with references & quotes with in & outside Thirukkural, that the great Saint Thiruvalluvar was a Hindu Maharishi !
Ji.. The placing of aram porul and kama are done by parimelalagar later.. not by thiruvalluvar himself.. I m not an atheiest.. I worship siva.. I dont believe in the concept of borrowing from vedas.. Its a very superior form than sashtras in terms of literacy, philosophy, comparison.. Dr nagasamy himself would agree it.. But the interviewer doesnt understand naga sir's naration properly.. Imposing few wrong quotes
Thirukkural is a jain literature much like Silappathikaaram epics in Tamil. It is absurd to suggest that it borrows heavily or in principle largely a translation of typical Dharma-Artha-Kama-Moksha or principles of Manu-dharma etc. Remember Jainism,Buddhism were the 2 major religious philosophies that prevailed in most parts of India from around 500BC for a period of nearly 700 yrs before vedanta(advaidta,vishihtadvaita etc),bhakthi movements took over to establish vedic hindu thoughts etc. Jainism was accepted by Pallavas and lot of caves,material evidences in TN also found. It must be noted that though Thirukkural emphaises Deiva(Deivam in tamil) it is agnostic as well as strongly says hard work/physical work pays off in the end in many of its verses.
I am not denying the fusion and large exchange of good cultural/principles,ideas from Vedic thoughts of Hinduism as mentioned in Vedas . BUT to say or imply Thirukkural is largely containing those very same vedic ideas or largely a translation is WRONG. Ancient Tamils were heavily influenced by Jainism in Sangam period and Thiruvalluvar most probably if at all a single author as known by scholars is a Jain. imho.
Thirukural is all based in Aram, incomparable wth manu dharma. In that book only you have mentioned, we need study in future, then why you are propaganda false statements without proper knowledge and detailed research . You always taking about Biramins. In that front page sankarachariyar that it’s biased. Why you are not taking about Kural Pirapokkum Ella Uirukkum
Dear Dr. nagasami, If valluvar has taken everything from sashtras as you claim kindly explain "pirapokkum ella uyirkum" , "uzhave thalai" when these are in orthogonal ideologies in Vedas. Amidst tamil is getting international accolades including Harvard your fuming is evident. Dear indians kindly listen to. Prof. Ma.so.Victor s speeches before appreciating these two guys.
I just finished reading his book. Thirukural - An abridgement of sastras. Extremely incoherent, inconsistent and full of stretched & unconvincing arguments. Don't understand how such a scholar could write such an unconvicing book. Everyone who knows tamil should read this book to judge for themselves.
Lol....And all world's historians, scholars, linguists are wrong, right? Oldest clear proof of Tamil's existance is Sangam literature, which is much after Vedas(Vedic Sanskrit), according to all historians.
@@Unlearning8248 recent researches show that Tamil has Sumerian links which is oldest among the rest. Hence Tamil is oldest. Sanskrit scholars could come for a open discussion with scholars like Dr. Victor, Dr. Nedunchezhian, dr. Loganathan, Malaya Univ and more..... Instead of false claims.
Vigneswaran MahiramVEVO Where did you get this info. Im not going to speak in favour of sanskrit or tamil. Im more interested in truth. I agree that tamil is perhaps the oldest language which is still spoken. We cannot include sanskrit here because it is not used in a big way today. But to say sanskrit is only 2 to 3 thousand years is a christian propoganda because they didnt want indians to believe the hindu scriptures were much older. The early christian scolars all dated the vedas to about 1500 BC. Today every other reseacher and scholar agree that was a false asumption. So i guess thats where you got yr 3000 yr figure. If u want the truth seek the truth. The rig veda is said to be between 7000 and 9000 yrs old. There are verses in the vedas on the river saraswati flowing grandly with big waves. Science today tells us the saraswati dried up more than 5000 yrs ago due to the shift in teptonic plates. So we can deduce that the sanskrit verses in the vedas are at least 5000 yrs or older. The evidance is there if u seek the truth.
vijay Anand , provide PRIMARY EVIDENCE for your statement. Opinions like yours are not FACTS. Counter Dr Nagaswamy’s views with solid, scholarly evidence. EVR, Karunanithi, Vaikos et all ramblings would not be considered as evidence 😂
Yes, While I appreciate the work of Dr Nagasswamy, He is succumbing to the pressure of people like Rajiv Malhotra to make a claim that Thirukural borrowed from Sanskrit and it is a translation. Tamil Brahmins have been easy victims to this surrender for centuries. Dr Nagaswamy is not an exception. I laud the work of Infinity foundation to debunk the Aryan Dravidian Myth but it should not be at the cost of saying Thirukural is a translation. Dr Nagaswamy should know the power of this one and half line of Thirukural and that comes from the richness of Tamil language.
Aram and Dharma are the same . There is deliberate lies spread by those who do not want ppl to unite . Those who are dividing their purpose is one - conversion of hindus to christianity and breakup of India .
Calling Thirukural a translation is an insult to the richness of Tamil language. The beauty of Thirukural is the power of Tamil language and how the Essence is captured in one and half lines leveraging the power of Tamil language. Dr Nagaswamy should have been careful to avoid such loose statement.
Seshadri Sampath ~ You are missing the point here. You should perhaps watch Dr. Nagaswamy's other talks & read his writings. You're focusing on the very narrow definition of english word 'translation' where as nowhere did he attribute it in mere terms of translation. Watch the video again if you must. Nobody has questioned the richness of Tamil. We all agree Tamil is a classical language. All he is saying is that Tamil is as ancient as Sanskrit is and literatures in both languages say pretty much the same thing as if they symbiotically borrowed from each other, although, the borrowing is rather minimal, thus proving that people with wisdom & scholarly knowledge in both the languages thought of almost identical philosophies & issues, independent of each other. The names & terms are different, but the core is the same.
I am Tamilian too, but an Indian first. Tamilians like you appear to be brainwashed parochial bigots. Listen to Nagaswami carefully. He is praising Thirukural as an outstanding poem and Thiruvalluvar as a foremost sage. He is a Sanskrit as well as Tamil scholar who is stating the facts with examples. He is not one of those phony scholars who rely on English translation of Sanskrit done by Evangelist zealots from the west. The evil Evangelists with their, now debunked Aryan Invasion Theory, have created the Dravidian persecution complex and, thereby, an entrenched hatred against the tiny, toothless, minority Tamil Brahmins as well as the North Indians vilified as Aryans masquerading as Brahmins. These Tamil 'Talibans' preach and practice Tamil exceptionalism as a unique culture corrupted by the Vedic and Sanskrit influence and, therefore, need to have their own nation of 'Tamilisthan', a la the Prabhakaran LTTE. The Christian missionaries support of LTTE is a known fact. They have done the same thing in Tamil Nadu since the time of that cunning British missionary bastard Caldwell. Despite the glorious ancient Hindu temples all across Tamil Nadu, this state, since the time of Periar ('Chiriyar' IMO) is dominated by violent anti-Hindu, anti-Brahmin, anti-Hindi and a brewing anti-India rhetoric - particularly among the educated Dravidians. The converted Christian Dravidians, flush with church money, are the real traitors. Some of them are openly campaigning against India in the U.S. Canada and Europe. The Tamil Muslims are benign by comparison. Tamil Nadu today is scarier than Kashmir, because the cancer is metastasizing. They have done to the native Brahmins what the jihadists have done to the Kashmiri Pandits.
Yoga Shaala (your name is Sanskrit) , have you watched this video sir from the first part onwards? There’s one and only civilisation in Bharath and that’s is Vedic based Sanatana Dharma culture. Tamil and Tamilians and their culture are all part and parcel of pan Indian culture. Now, if you have PRIMARY EVIDENCE to your statement that Tamil culture is separate from Vedic culture of rest of India, then please present it. Otherwise what you say is just hogwash and Tamil parochialism . Refute Dr Nagaswamy with SOLID PRIMARY EVIDENCE. Otherwise you are causing only division in this society based on Dravidian propaganda.
u have to learn a lot, after Sanskrit in Tamil only we have a lot of scriptures , Brahmanas means a man who has intellect as well as wisdom & works for the society selflessly .
I have to say it, Prof. Nagaswamy is just Brilliant! I'll buy his book soon.
Great work by Dr. Nagaswamy. This message needs to be spread far and wide, and India's civilizational identity and unity must be clearly established..
tamilans arent dravidans and tamil has own history and oldest language and our language isnt based on sansnkrit or vedic or bramins a---
@@mahiramvevo bringing in weird arguments in vain does not help. sanskrit and tamil should have grown together with a relationship that allowed exchange of ideas.
Many of your distant relatives in South Africa are still staunch Tamil Hindus. Not all of us speak Tamil (I regret it everyday, but it was not offered in most of our schools. But my parents speak and understand), but we are extremely proud of our Tamil heritage and I for one will never abandon Sanatana Dharma... Vetrivel Muruganukku Arohara!!!!
Long live dada nagaswamy 🙏🕉️💓 we need gems like u sir ...
Many thanks to both Dr. Nagaswamy and Rajivji for this wonderful exposition. One important point worth noting is this term Thirukural Nool and other forms of the time. Nool means both book as in Grantha but also "Thread" or more correctly "String". Some people say Nool is about the way books are made but they are likely because of the Stringing of aphorisms. This is a reference to "Sutra" literature with Sutra being thread which was a latter day addition and comes from a Sutra Period when works like the Brahma Sutra and the Yoga Sutra emerged. Thirukural consisting of aphorisms is thus a Sutra adapted from Manu, Kautilya and Natya Shastra and its aim was to provide the equivalent of a Dharma Sutra, Artha Sutra, and Kama Sutra - thus Aram, Porul, Inbam. The Sutraic structure is seen in Aranyakas and other Sanskritic texts is beautifully followed and Valluvar's ability to add rhythmic, pithy yet beautiful metaphors in such short aphorisms is what brings tremendous praise from all quarters. Valluvar sticks to his meter but delivers his message - something that Haiku fans may love.
Great to know how the three Books of Thirukkural serially encompass the messages and texts from various Sanskrit masterpieces like the Dharmashastra, Arthashastra, Kamashastra and Natyashastra. Great service has been rendered by Dr. Nagaswamy by highlighting these features of the Thirukkural.
There is need of protection for Mr. Nagaswamy cuz we don't know to what extent these Dravida maniacs could go.. being a kannadiga myself I can say Karnataka has managed to keep these maniacs at bay but things are changing and I fear this desease very much could spread to our state too..cuz there's so much fascination for the temilnadu kind of politics in here..
Please protect these gem of personalities..
My whole point is just this, the so called foe/SJ worriers when they come to power would never tolerate any dissent..
Respected Sri Rajiv Malhothra,
Super Sir GREAT INSIGHT. Thanks for Bringing this to all of us.
I think i have a Very Similar Idea of what your doing with Infinity Foundation Sir
My Idea-
Name - Atharvana:- "Define your own Life."
Integrate - YOGA+ TEMPLES+ VEDAS+ PEETAS+ AYURVEDA+ KAMASUTRA+ NATURAL WAY OF EATING+ GURUKULAM+ ALL INDIAN DANCE FORMS + ORIGINAL INDIAN ARCHITECTURE
Also needed a Website ( Digital Library) which holds all the information at one place.
Universities in All states ( with Minimum of 1000 acres)
A Degree shouldn't determine your Life, You should determine your Own Life
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Atharvana
This video has been very informative. Please keep making more videos on Hinduism. We call ourselves Hindus but have so little knowledge on it
Is this video is informative,
Biggest joke brother.
If you read thirukural number 972.
You can see the difference between manudharmam and thirukural
Very well explained by learned Dr Nagaswamy that the Tamil speaking Bharatvasi, who have been practicing Vedic Sanatana Dharma from millenniums, now got the Sanskrit sacred texts in their own Tamil Mother tongue. Tiruvelluvar had a very good knowledge of the Sanskrit Vedic text as well as Tamil language.🕉️🙏
Anothe exceptional and pointed discussion. The message is very clear. Dharma Shasthra (from Manu and others), Artha Shasthra from Kautilya, Kama / Natya Shastra (from Vatsyana) are condensed and given in wonderful work of Thirkural as 3 chapters of Aram, Porul and Inbam. By creating this minature literature Thiruvaluvar becomes a Rishi.
Superb video
Thirukkural articulates that all life (not just human) are equal and should be treated as such. But Manu Smriti on the contrary suggests that human kind is divided in to four varnas and introduces a 'hierarchical society' based on birth.
The fundamentals of Thirukkural and Manu Smriti are polar opposite. Comparing Manu's Smriti with Thirukkural is an insult to any Tamil scholar.
Don't just make blanket statements without reading Manu or Thirukkural. Dr Nagaswamy is quoting from Tirukkural and Manu. Varnas are first of all not based on birth. Right there you have displayed your brain's logjam.
Dr. Nagaswamy, another brilliant explanation. The unique style of Thirukural is that all 1330 verses are set in two lines, the top line has 4 words and the bottom one has 3 words. He has taken/used some poetic justice of course, by combining few words but the basic structure is 4 on the top line and 3 on the bottom in all 1330 verses. Truly a remarkable work, belongs to the entire world and not an exclusive treasure of DMK as claimed by them.
Thanks Dr Nagaswamy Ji and of course to Rajiv who is really behind the resurgence of Sanatana Dharma in recent times. We are spreading this “ good news “ ( sorry for borrowing the Christian theme here 😂)
this is very informative... Confirms that the differences in food, complexion, clothing, etc. are based on the geographical location & the native climate, topography, produce, flora & fauna of the area. It is NOT anything DIFFERENT
Liberal Tamilians must watch this.
My humble request Please Read Tirukural without any Spiritual Ideals... Tirukural is written by a good man for common people...
You have correctly said
Thanks, Rajiv Ji and Nagaswami Ji. Requesting you to change the title/caption. Thirukkural is indeed a Dharma Sasthra (Ara Nool) written in Tamil dealing all the aspects of purushartha Dharma Artha Kama and Moksha. So the question of comparison arises when you have more than one. Probably you can change the title to something like "Dharma Sasthra in Sanskrit and Tamil a comparison".
If there's anyone in bjp who's smart, they will take hint
ALL GLORIES TO DR NAGASWAMY AND RAJIV MALHOTRA
We from North India are stunned by the Sanatana Dharma architecture, sankrit/tamil slokas, temples etc still intact- please preserve for our sake as all ours was destroyed! Thank you Dr Nagaswamy for your untiring work to preserve the Dharma. Jai
How can one claim that Valluvar borrowed from varna-ashrama-dharma when Valluvar was clearly against any varna division?
These kural for this two Adhi Medhavies.
1.One who tries to teach a fool is stupid.Since a fool continues to see things his way.
Next kural :
2. One who denies what the World belives is considered to be a devil on earth.
I know some of my Tamil friends might be disappointed with the word translation from Sanskrit to Tamil. See translation itself is an art. Translation not by word by word but by essence and meaning is considered to a piece of art. The beauty of Thirukkural is there for the beauty of Tamil language indeed, but it contains the same essence as in Manusmriti. It simply displays our unified national and dharmic character. So don't be disappointed but be proud. Jai BHARAT.
As Rajiv Malhotra ji say, Mahabharata is still going on.
he is totaly wrong
A tight slap on those who keep barking that Tamil is separate, Tamilians are separate, they are a separate culture/religion blah blah blah.
My Phone 😝😝😝😝😝
tamilans arent dravidans and tamil has own history and oldest language and our language isnt based on sansnkrit or vedic or bramins a---
we cant s-- bramins d--- and our language is tamil not sanskrit and our language is oldest language if someone against it he called as separate wtf
@My Phone well said my friend. Most of the people who appreciate these guys neither know both of the languages. It is clear that nagasami writes his books in english is to purposely confuse foreigners who has developed interest in Tamil. I am sure that nagasami or this rajeevs intention will never come true. On the other hand more researchers would investigate the uniqueness of Tamil
It is the need of time to establish a concrete relationship between Sanskrit and Tamil, between Vedic literature and Tamil literature and between Vedic Culture and Tamil Culture. And certainly the relation is of prosperity and not of animosity.
Are you kidding.
Anybody studied about Thirukural 972 ..
That single sentence clearly shows that, thirukural totally different from manudharma.
His statement is not true because Thirukkural has three only Arathupall, Porutpal and Kamathpal ie., virtue, wealth and love. It doesn't contain mocha. Usually all religion says something about Mocha (Sorgam). He didn't believe that. Thirukkural was not recongnised by Kings and religious saints. One time Vallar and then Sankaracharya met and discussed . Sankaracharya said Sanskrit is a Matharu pazha immediately Vallar replied Tamil is Pitharu pazha. Usually some Sanskrit scholars against Tamil literature or they told it was derived from Sanskrit books. Sanskrit is also one of the old and rich language but their scholars are always against other languages.
As Dr. Nagaswamy mentions in response to Rajivji, the pan Indian culture is ONE. There is nothing to accept and digest. It's only the language that differs. What Thiruvalluvar did was translate the Vedic texts into Tamizh. There is NO separate Tamizh culture or any other culture. What we have is multiple flavors of the Vedic culture.
Dr Nagaswamy is saying again and again that it is the same culture but Rajiv ji is saying that digestion from one culture to another. That shows that he's still not ready to accept that Tamil is part of the same culture. It is not different!!! They didn't steal things from Sanskrit or anything, we are one people, descendants of same people.
Rajiv one point i want to underline when you say "so he is a learned man , he knew sanskrit etc you give impression as if TIRUVALUVAR is a solitary Sanskrit erudite in an otherwise TAMIL ambiance etc no no Tamils used language Tamil as an instrument , a beautiful instrument though to imbibe noble vedic dharmic ideas that was prevalent in TAMIL NADU at that time and all arts expressed and refereed only to that vedic air that permeated every atom of TAMIL MIND before the brainwashing succeeded in convincing TAMILS that they are no more TAMILS ...YES WE AGREE tamil is a beautiful language but what to do history says that TAMILS used it as an instrument to import vedic culture and impart it to their own people
rajiv sir, i am glad that you did this interview and tamilians should see this. i amsharing to my freinds. i would like to suggest that you should interview swamy omkarananda of theni. he is as good as dr nagaswamy and an living authority on advaita. none of his speach will end without mentioning tirukural
This is great work
One basic and small doubt / clarification needed in this research.
In thirukural, a word named " brahmin" or god names such as Siva, Vishnu, Brahma is there. Because sastra is nothing without Brahma name.
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Thirukural not belongs to anyone. It's separate.
Great
He is such a soar liar... thirukural is not a translated version of any Saastra.. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
8.12 In tamil Anthanar means saint not brahman;the thirukkural said that the king is cause or root of the dharma.But he says the king should protect the dharma.He misguides.Also he accepts that vedas are the text of brahmins only.
Hir sir, Doesn't the sanskrit speaking communities need to be considered as linguistic minorities? There are few communities in karnataka and all. Couldn't this linguistic minority status be used as a tool to protect & promote sanskrit?
This would not serve the vote bank politics of Congress and other political parties. I being a Sanskrit speaker will never be supported by the leftist media
Let tamil be older than sanskrit... Or otherwise.... There is no issue.... We are all one people....
All those old text mention that the king must protect the dharma philosophy...likewise existing ruler must uphold and protect the Hindu dharma.
Now the dravidian movement is superseded by a new term, "Tamil nation" or "Tamil desiyam", demand for a separate "Tamil Nation", which will be later a fully "Christian Nation". This movement is well funded, well organised, aggressive, well marketed, that may have a devastating effect on our "Tamizh" civilization.
The wealth of "Tamizh" is our "rich spiritual culture" passed on by our great "Siddhas"
We have our "tamizh" way of living, customs, traditions, folklore, festivals, contribution to agriculture, ayurveda, siddha medicine, astrology, the finest of "village architecture". Our Gods are Murugan, Amman, Eswaran, Perumal, Vinayagar, Muneeswarar, Aiyanaar, Karuppar. etc.
If we tamilzhs don't wake up now.
Our culture will be fully destroyed. We will not be left with anything. Even god will not come to our help.
Pavan .kumar
My Friend,
Tamil is targated by many in ancient past till now.Tamil desiyam is a must.But not, as it says by cunning Periyar and Gangs and Caldwell and gangs.
Our strength is our language Our agama sastras and Saivam ,Vainavam is our strengh.We have a responsibilty to protect it from all outsiders,including british made Hindi India.
We have to feel as a proud Tamilans.We have to protect our culture.Keep in mind Saivam could have dead long ago, if Tamils doesnt have this self protective mentality.Mogals, and all other invaders have mixed with north indians and they are not completly belongs to this land.Thats why british choose hindi as thier next rules to carry thier same agenda.
They, setup EVramasamy and telungu dravidas parties to keep thier works in Tamil naadu.no water,kavery problem, destroring the mountanis, sands looting, meethen, ..what not ?
Leave Tamil nadu for Tamils.Let Tamils decide thier fate.It will be better place and Saivam will flourish.
I see a lot of christians and muslims wearing tamil pride t shirts than the hindu tamils. Suddenly they are more tamilian than any other.
ram0210 eveny state feel proud about themselves and not just tamizhs. So no Tamil nation is not anything special except separatism.
India has seen waves of people immigrating into the country since at least 40,000 years. For historical purposes there are 3 "cultures" that developed in India. The Tribal culture who became "Harijans" who migrated around 40,000 years from East Africa. The second were the people of Sindu/Saraswati Civilization that developed along those rivers. That region even today is unstable with the Indian subcontinent clashing with the Asian plate resulting in catastrophic earthquakes. After the Saraswati river dried up/went underground, due to constant earthquakes and climactic changes, a lot of the people of the Sindu/Saraswati "Indus" civilization migrated to South India. Still many of the "Indus" people moved east and settled in the Gangetic plains and in Deccan as well. The Third was the Vedic culture that developed as the populations increased many fold through immigration. This is nothing to do with any nonsensical theories like Aryan Invasion theory.
As the populations increased the existing people of the Sindus/Saraswati civilization INTEGRATED the beliefs of the immigrants with their own systems to develop the Vedic culture. That gave rise to the Varna system to support a LARGE society through division of labor.
After the Maurayan period, the Vedic culture slowly moved down south starting with the Satavahana dynasty. Through the centuries, the Vedic culture was very fluid and integrated Buddhist and Jain concepts as well. Generally scholars would debates the pros and cons of each system and the absorbed the "best of" practices. The Vedic system incorporated the South Indian gods and goddesses. One classic example is Goddess Meenakshi who was married to Shiva and became goddress Parvati and some of the local gods became their sons/daughters etc. This merged the South Indian gods and the Vedic Gods. Similar to Ahmadiyya Islam for example in which Krishna is considered a prophet.
So all these philosophies, gods and rituals are like waves merging with each other some going North to South and some going from South to North. So many people from both South India and North India contributed to what we now call Hinduism.
From a DNA perspective all people of the Indian subcontinent, Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are all genetically the same and mixing through 10s of thousands of years.
Where to read the original Manu text
There is a huge possibilities..that they have similarities Coz .. These things could have been then present in the society.. from south valluvar comprised it in a superior form. In north the sastra people. Thats it.. Coz all over india was only hinduism.. But in different forms.. Like saivism.. Vaishnavism etc.... Im no scholar than dr naga sir.. But i always feel free to express my thoughts.. Branded tamil attidude😎..thirukural never praised any god..(despite few references) thirukural is an universal work.. Dont bound it with in hinduism. Even though valluvar could have been a (Hindu) (in modern terms)
I think the bias towards Sanskrut has grown in recent times also due to hindi imposition as Sanskrut is also being seen by many as a passage for hindi to enter non hindi States.
हर हर महादेव
This old Adhi Medhavi is lies of bags.
Kural says,
"A man should not lie deliberately.
If he does his conscience will torment him."
What are you going to prove Mr.Nasa sami??
We will take Thirukural and Gita.as well as Manu.
Chapter by chapter will compare.
Make a chat.tell which chapter valluvar copied from Manu and Gita.
Check which one is the best.
According to kural :Aram
Virtue or Dharma
1.Nothing is better than virtue
And Nothing is worse than forgetting it.
2.Virtue is found only in spotless mind.
3.Virtue is in smiling face,loving eye's and Sweeter word from heart.
Love is the soul of life.Those with out it are mare bones covered with skin. This is Thirukural.
Always be remembered this kural
"A wound caused by fire will heal
A wound caused by the tongue will never heal."
Dear Don't lie.How were u historian.your historic works all lies of bags.
For sure every Tamizhan will mad if Tamil people know this. How come he says Thirukural took from Dharma sasthra. Everyone want to take thirukural for them.
*_Brother they translate some good things from Tamil to Sanskrit but now says Tamils translate everything from Sanskrit 😓_*
Very good insight Rajivji
Nice video. Seems a learned man. However we dont seem to acknowledge the treatment of women in dharmsashtra. Can we have a discussion on that as well.
Also the timeline. When was dharmsashtra written. The video says 4000 years ago. Other sources say 2000 years ago.
Is any Sanskrit word used by Thiruvaluvar?
Definitely... But most of them are changed to suit Tamil phonetics since Tamil lacks several alphabets
No
First thirukural ... adi = first Bhagawan= god
Idiot thirukural is a pure Tamil writings .not sanskrit
No bro
This book should be make textbook in schools and colleges by BJP government
DEAR SIRS, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL HOW YOU CONCLUDE IT IS ONLY FROM DHARMA SASHTHRA ETC., TO THIRUKURAL AND NOT IN THE REVERSE ORDER?
Perfect punch...
Smriti is placed at least 900/1100 years earlier than Tirukkural, going by even the western idea of Vedic timeline
Can anybody explain thirukural 972 ,
How it relate with manusmriti
Those who can understand Tamil, please watch this video - ruclips.net/video/lA5yowi3Bko/видео.html
Dr. D.A.Joseph Ramanuja daasan (ex-Christian and now a Sri Vaishnava Hindu), explains with references & quotes with in & outside Thirukkural, that the great Saint Thiruvalluvar was a Hindu Maharishi !
Ji.. The placing of aram porul and kama are done by parimelalagar later.. not by thiruvalluvar himself.. I m not an atheiest.. I worship siva.. I dont believe in the concept of borrowing from vedas.. Its a very superior form than sashtras in terms of literacy, philosophy, comparison.. Dr nagasamy himself would agree it.. But the interviewer doesnt understand naga sir's naration properly.. Imposing few wrong quotes
Hi sir, Can you recommend us some good authentic right wing books.
Darsan Kumar P J buy books by rajiv malhotra. E. G being different, breaking India, indras net.
decoding திருக்குறள் and குரான் ruclips.net/video/7qT407gv0K4/видео.html
Unfortunately, Tamil people won't see this interview.
ubi bhattdiot dont stela thirukural from tamil
enlighting
Foolish both go to doctor for treatment
Thirukkural is a jain literature much like Silappathikaaram epics in Tamil. It is absurd to suggest that it borrows heavily or in principle largely a translation of typical Dharma-Artha-Kama-Moksha or principles of Manu-dharma etc.
Remember Jainism,Buddhism were the 2 major religious philosophies that prevailed in most parts of India from around 500BC for a period of nearly 700 yrs before vedanta(advaidta,vishihtadvaita etc),bhakthi movements took over to establish vedic hindu thoughts etc.
Jainism was accepted by Pallavas and lot of caves,material evidences in TN also found. It must be noted that though Thirukkural emphaises Deiva(Deivam in tamil) it is agnostic as well as strongly says hard work/physical work pays off in the end in many of its verses.
I am not denying the fusion and large exchange of good cultural/principles,ideas from Vedic thoughts of Hinduism as mentioned in Vedas . BUT to say or imply Thirukkural is largely containing those very same vedic ideas or largely a translation is WRONG. Ancient Tamils were heavily influenced by Jainism in Sangam period and Thiruvalluvar most probably if at all a single author as known by scholars is a Jain. imho.
I feel he was Jain too ... but definitely Jan and Verdi schools had several overlaps
Thirukural is all based in Aram, incomparable wth manu dharma. In that book only you have mentioned, we need study in future, then why you are propaganda false statements without proper knowledge and detailed research . You always taking about Biramins. In that front page sankarachariyar that it’s biased. Why you are not taking about Kural Pirapokkum Ella Uirukkum
*_Because that's exactly opposite to Varna system_*
Dear Dr. nagasami,
If valluvar has taken everything from sashtras as you claim kindly explain "pirapokkum ella uyirkum" , "uzhave thalai" when these are in orthogonal ideologies in Vedas. Amidst tamil is getting international accolades including Harvard your fuming is evident. Dear indians kindly listen to. Prof. Ma.so.Victor s speeches before appreciating these two guys.
I just finished reading his book. Thirukural - An abridgement of sastras. Extremely incoherent, inconsistent and full of stretched & unconvincing arguments. Don't understand how such a scholar could write such an unconvicing book. Everyone who knows tamil should read this book to judge for themselves.
SANSKRIT is the mother of all languages even for TAMIL
Tamil predates Sanskrit. It is sanskrit that assimilated Tamil literature and not otherwise.
It does not matter to me , it matters to you
Lol....And all world's historians, scholars, linguists are wrong, right? Oldest clear proof of Tamil's existance is Sangam literature, which is much after Vedas(Vedic Sanskrit), according to all historians.
@@Unlearning8248 tamil is oldest language and sanskrit is just 2000 or 3000 years old
@@Unlearning8248 recent researches show that Tamil has Sumerian links which is oldest among the rest. Hence Tamil is oldest. Sanskrit scholars could come for a open discussion with scholars like Dr. Victor, Dr. Nedunchezhian, dr. Loganathan, Malaya Univ and more..... Instead of false claims.
Vigneswaran MahiramVEVO
Where did you get this info. Im not going to speak in favour of sanskrit or tamil. Im more interested in truth.
I agree that tamil is perhaps the oldest language which is still spoken. We cannot include sanskrit here because it is not used in a big way today.
But to say sanskrit is only 2 to 3 thousand years is a christian propoganda because they didnt want indians to believe the hindu scriptures were much older. The early christian scolars all dated the vedas to about 1500 BC. Today every other reseacher and scholar agree that was a false asumption. So i guess thats where you got yr 3000 yr figure.
If u want the truth seek the truth.
The rig veda is said to be between 7000 and 9000 yrs old. There are verses in the vedas on the river saraswati flowing grandly with big waves. Science today tells us the saraswati dried up more than 5000 yrs ago due to the shift in teptonic plates. So we can deduce that the sanskrit verses in the vedas are at least 5000 yrs or older. The evidance is there if u seek the truth.
What came first?
Egg or chikeen lol
It's not a race.
Shameless person just he lying
Sanskrit Dharma is different from Tamils Aram...Thirukural is based on Aram...
vijay Anand , provide PRIMARY EVIDENCE for your statement. Opinions like yours are not FACTS. Counter Dr Nagaswamy’s views with solid, scholarly evidence. EVR, Karunanithi, Vaikos et all ramblings would not be considered as evidence 😂
Yes, While I appreciate the work of Dr Nagasswamy, He is succumbing to the pressure of people like Rajiv Malhotra to make a claim that Thirukural borrowed from Sanskrit and it is a translation. Tamil Brahmins have been easy victims to this surrender for centuries. Dr Nagaswamy is not an exception. I laud the work of Infinity foundation to debunk the Aryan Dravidian Myth but it should not be at the cost of saying Thirukural is a translation. Dr Nagaswamy should know the power of this one and half line of Thirukural and that comes from the richness of Tamil language.
Aram and Dharma are the same . There is deliberate lies spread by those who do not want ppl to unite . Those who are dividing their purpose is one - conversion of hindus to christianity and breakup of India .
Well do you have any evidence supporting your statements. I would be really glad to see :)
aram is restpect this isnt dharma if anyone restpect then he's also dharma and hindu ? wtf
Calling Thirukural a translation is an insult to the richness of Tamil language. The beauty of Thirukural is the power of Tamil language and how the Essence is captured in one and half lines leveraging the power of Tamil language. Dr Nagaswamy should have been careful to avoid such loose statement.
Seshadri Sampath ~ You are missing the point here. You should perhaps watch Dr. Nagaswamy's other talks & read his writings. You're focusing on the very narrow definition of english word 'translation' where as nowhere did he attribute it in mere terms of translation. Watch the video again if you must. Nobody has questioned the richness of Tamil. We all agree Tamil is a classical language. All he is saying is that Tamil is as ancient as Sanskrit is and literatures in both languages say pretty much the same thing as if they symbiotically borrowed from each other, although, the borrowing is rather minimal, thus proving that people with wisdom & scholarly knowledge in both the languages thought of almost identical philosophies & issues, independent of each other. The names & terms are different, but the core is the same.
I am Tamilian too, but an Indian first. Tamilians like you appear to be brainwashed parochial bigots.
Listen to Nagaswami carefully. He is praising Thirukural as an outstanding poem and Thiruvalluvar as a foremost sage. He is a Sanskrit as well as Tamil scholar who is stating the facts with examples. He is not one of those phony scholars who rely on English translation of Sanskrit done by Evangelist zealots from the west.
The evil Evangelists with their, now debunked Aryan Invasion Theory, have created the Dravidian persecution complex and, thereby, an entrenched hatred against the tiny, toothless, minority Tamil Brahmins as well as the North Indians vilified as Aryans masquerading as Brahmins. These Tamil 'Talibans' preach and practice Tamil exceptionalism as a unique culture corrupted by the Vedic and Sanskrit influence and, therefore, need to have their own nation of 'Tamilisthan', a la the Prabhakaran LTTE. The Christian missionaries support of LTTE is a known fact. They have done the same thing in Tamil Nadu since the time of that cunning British missionary bastard Caldwell.
Despite the glorious ancient Hindu temples all across Tamil Nadu, this state, since the time of Periar ('Chiriyar' IMO) is dominated by violent anti-Hindu, anti-Brahmin, anti-Hindi and a brewing anti-India rhetoric - particularly among the educated Dravidians. The converted Christian Dravidians, flush with church money, are the real traitors. Some of them are openly campaigning against India in the U.S. Canada and Europe. The Tamil Muslims are benign by comparison.
Tamil Nadu today is scarier than Kashmir, because the cancer is metastasizing. They have done to the native Brahmins what the jihadists have done to the Kashmiri Pandits.
r u a schooler ??
Wrong knowledge give wrong direction , accurate knowledge gives right direction.
Yoga Shaala (your name is Sanskrit) , have you watched this video sir from the first part onwards? There’s one and only civilisation in Bharath and that’s is Vedic based Sanatana Dharma culture. Tamil and Tamilians and their culture are all part and parcel of pan Indian culture. Now, if you have PRIMARY EVIDENCE to your statement that Tamil culture is separate from Vedic culture of rest of India, then please present it. Otherwise what you say is just hogwash and Tamil parochialism . Refute Dr Nagaswamy with SOLID PRIMARY EVIDENCE. Otherwise you are causing only division in this society based on Dravidian propaganda.
why not tharma sasthira converted from thirukural?
Because the Shastras predate i.e, were written before Thirukkural.
tamilans arent dravidans and tamil has own history and oldest language and our language isnt based on sansnkrit or vedic or bramins a---
u have to learn a lot, after Sanskrit in Tamil only we have a lot of scriptures , Brahmanas means a man who has intellect as well as wisdom & works for the society selflessly .
Absurd
Your absurd you brain dead idiot 😂
How is it absurd? Pl make a video and post it.... u must be paid agent of wasabi Saudi
Author has made unjust claims
please put proof
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