It’s not common for someone with so much knowledge and experience to be able to explain in easy terms that a layperson can understand. Well done. Seems Klipsch needs to pull you onboard for the next revision...
True but its a center channel speaker not hi fidelity music speaker the cross overs are elevated on highs for clarity in movies if it's balance it won't sound as good in movies as you know movies are mixed with special effects elevated causing you to raise your center channel to hear the faces I do agree they should put in better cross overs they are super cheap
Oh man I'm so glad I was recommended this channel, I do a bit of speaker modifying myself. In fact I just replaced the woofers on a pair of fine KLH 9250B with some 12" Memphis audio subwoofers I grabbed at a yard sale. Quality at it's finest.
Saphire Throated Carpenter Ant hi, wasn’t there any compatibility issues. Did the replacement woofers work well or did the distort the sound. I ask because I want to change my woofers too.
@@azharzaidi3264 I was told there would be issues. I was told it wasn't the right frequency or something like that and that it was going to sound terrible. It sounds amazing. I disconnected the mid speaker because I was told the 12" was going to throw it out of wack since it was so powerful and if I disconnected it then at least it would be kind if like a passive mini woofer (if I understood correctly). The tweeter was shielded from the back so I left it connected because I didn't figure the pressure from the woofer would throw it out of wack, so to speak. Then I removed the 12 inch woofers from the speakers and replaced them with 12" Memphis subwoofers which I'm sure you know are for car audio. I powered the pair of Memphis subwoofers with the subwoofer amplifiers from a set of old Klipsch 12" subwoofers I also grabbed at a yard sale and connected them to the subwoofer out. So the speakers themselves have a tweeter running from the L/R on the receiver, a mid woofer disconnected, and a Memphis subwoofer connected to the subwoofer outs. Was told it would sound awful and that I was going to either ruin the subwoofers or my receiver but the receiver is still going strong and the subwoofers have been used in home audio since I picked them up about 8 years ago. That being said I'm sure most people on here would tell you it sounded awful. Then again just as some people can hardly tell the difference between 1080p and 4k, I can hardly tell the difference between a set of Klipsch from Best Buy and a set of $50,000 Go F Yourselves handmade by Jack Meoff...
If I was only faster at it AND I had all of the proper measuring tools and equipment, and the money to invest in a shop with the proper tools, I could also do this sort of thing! Speaker design, building, improvement, and repair has been a serious hobby of mine for many decades already, but I've never been able to actually make any money at it, so I just do it for myself... It would be a "dream career" though, if I had the means and time to get a business like this started! Damn dude, you are doing exactly what I also enjoy, but on a much larger scale than what I can afford to do... So consider yourself lucky to be able to actually make money doing what you're passionate about! I wish I could get there myself too!
You sound like someone who wont do it. Just in case I am wrong... 1) Room measurement software - download Room EQ Wizard for free 2) Measurement mic from Partsexpress $90 3) Measure impedance & T/s parameters from Partsexpress called DATS $130 4) Crossover simulation software - X-Sim free
@@5333092 Thanks for the info! I'll give those free things a try, but I can't afford to actually buy *anything* rn, especially since I am basically completely out of work due to this damn pandemic and I haven't even been able to pay my *rent* for two months now! :( BTW, where/what website do you go to in order to download those free software programs? (And are those programs for a laptop or computer or are they for a phone or tablet?)
I wonder how much Klipsch improved the frequency response on the RP-504C II? Given they gave themselves a second chance to do better. Maybe they saw Danny's video and saw how much better the next gen speaker could be.
It's A very good center, too. Danny over reacts that these speakers need a lot of help. The only problem I notice with my Klipsch system is in layered music it has problem with separation. I'm not sure if they're doing all the can with the signal they're getting or if there's a problem with the caps, resistors, etc in the crossover. This is a very musical and banging center though.
Omg I just discovered this vlog series of Danny from GR Research.. soooo coool, sooo professional, straight to the point. Since couple of months (almost a year?) I enjoy the videos of Paul McGowan and it's really relaxing watching his videos too, but what I especially like in these videos of Danny is the no-bullshitting, snake-oil free, relaxed attitude and the fact that all videos begin with the topic itself. In most of the cases I'm really not interested in what has happened yesterday to the left knee of the presenter or listening to some kind of a fairy tale during the first half of a 5 minutes video 'til we get to the point - and then during an interesting explanation being distracted by the smallest thing as well, uh... that's just annoying. Danny's videos miss all these.. disturbances are cut, big fairy tales aren't there at all, he just greets us and the next sentence is right about the topic I came for according to the video's title. This is what we call pure efficiency, net and gross ratio is almost 1. :) Amazing work, all the great experience of the last decades shines through, a really down-to-earth approach to hi-fi.. I'm really pleased. Keep up the good work, I can't have enough time at the moment to watch all previous episodes but I'm trying hard.. (it goes against the 'wife factor' you know.. but hell, we're all audiophiles) :D ;)) Cheers.
Vortexetrov you sure know Paul’s style of presentation. Paul is a really nice guys who knows and teaches a lot. He enjoys being with us. Danny speaks great and stays very much to the point, and I love that very much. Difference is that I will be sending my Kenwood speakers to Danny very soon, and would appreciate if he makes a video about it too, if so, then I will buy a pair of my favorite Sansui speakers and upgrade them too.
@@azharzaidi3264 I like the presentation of Danny better, but I have to admit as a person I like Paul too. Following Paul almost every day since more then a year it's almost like having a 2nd grandfather :)) lol. So all of my respect go to Paul but I always need to remind myself: there isn't only PS Audio on this planet, especially when I look on the amp and DAC measurements on audiosciencereview.com. I ditched/sold all my amps since 3-4 years, living on headphones still.. and now looking for a bunch of Hypex modules for my active 3-way stereo. These toys make such a big difference in sound, especially low noise floor, clarity and woofer control, omg, I just left all of the good-old Class A and AB stuff - I think it's a matter of taste but luckily (or not) my ears like the 'dry, precise' presentation much better, than the lush, warm sound of some amps (which is a sound characteristics and NOT included on the original material). Excellent implementation of Class D is so much different.. (and superior by now I think). But this is another topic, cheers and good luck for the tuning/reparature :)
In a large corporation like Klipsch, what likely happens is somewhere along the way from when the engineer(s) spec'd the crossover, suppliers changed, components were swapped out, revisions were made, etc, and you get a product like this. It's not hard to see a finance guy making a switch somewhere without consulting any engineers to save money or meet deadlines, or the factory making the box differently to cut production time without telling engineers. I am willing to bet the crossover design is made very early on in design stages before revisions to the product get made (i.e. swapping drivers due to supply chain issues), thus creating a situation where the crossover is no longer suitable with the new parameters from product revisions.
Danny, I only since December last year enjoy a good sound and became obsessed with everything there is know about speaker tech and I consider you as a good source. I would love to build a servo sub but can't decide if with one or two drivers and what shape of open baffle: W, H or I (like the speakers from Spatial Audio). I would really love to see an episode about this subject and I think many with me. Keep up the great work and thank you for sharing all the knowledge with everyone that is interested. Regards, Diederick Amsterdam, the Netherlands
Outstanding video, thank you Danny! Just curious, now that Klipsch has Gen ii out there on this model, have you had an opportunity to test it and what did you discover? I’d be very interested in your feedback on the gen ii model. Thanks
Hi Danny, I'm not confuse. (you probably wondering what I am talking about) thank you for saving me the money I was going to spend buying klipsch speakers. I'm glad I found your channel. I am a DIY. My philosophy is why pay someone to do something wrong when I can do it all by myself. My only worry is how the cross over are made? What I mean is, are they all connected to each other or on to a broad? I may have seen the video but I'm not sure. Thank You in advance.
I have quite a few speakers both bought and DIY that I'd like to measure myself, but I don't currently have measuring equipment. If you could cover a budget option for a decent measurement setup that would be awesome.
The best bang for the buck speaker measuring software might be the Pocket Clio. And keep in mind that software like REW isn't a speaker measuring system. It is a room measuring system. The two are quite different.
I have the RC 64 IIIs. Can you explain to me why when I watch a TV show or movie with the sound at around 60 dB, when I go to the corner of the room (45 degrees), I can still easily hear the dialogue (from the center channel), when based on this, at 60 dB sound, there should be a - 60dB in what I am hearing from the center, so I should not hear any discernable speech?
@Danny Richie: can this upgrade kit also be applied to a Klipsch RP-450C? I think the difference between the RP-450C (original one) and the RP-504C (version 1) is only cosmetic and not technically?
would it be better to have a vertical standing speaker as a center channel? Would that increase the off axis response? Like if you stood that center channel on its side instead of laying it horizontally.
I have an original RC-64 Version 1. Will this solution work with it in the same way as the RC-64 III? I also have original RF-5s and wondering of any of the other RF upgrades would be applicable.
Danny, here an idea for a future video. I have listened to all video. I am a bit curious to know why components make a difference. You explained well for iron core inductors. But why polypropylène is beter than pvc? Why mil resistor, is it only tight tolerence or something else. What is inside a soni caps? I really enjoyed the portion of the video where you explained the negative return wire goes directly from tweeter to the tube connector without a break point (klipsch part 4 or 5). Thanks for this channel !!!!!
'You can't just swap out a driver' ...... Danny, I cant believe that anyone who has actually watched any of your previous videos would even ask such a naive question. That's the kind of mindset many of us had as teenagers wanting better sound in our cars, ffs - just pull the factory speakers and slap in something from Pioneer (good head units but mediocre speakers) or Sony (mediocre speakers with flashing lights) and expect a massive improvement ;) Thanks for persisting with the channel.
Whoa there buddy...grew up on klipsch and nothing quite sounds like they do to my ear. Recently switched over from polk audio which i found not to have quite as accurate sound reproduction. I also watch your cigar reviews. Have for a few years. Cheers.
Playlist to audition Klipsch speakers. 1. Motley Crue: SHOUT at the devil 2. Tears for fears: SHOUT 3. Motley crue Primal scream (and SHOUT) 4. Twist and SHOUT - The Beatles 5. SHOUT Pt 1& 2: The Isley Brothers 6. You make me wanna SHOUT
I have this same center channel speaker, it looks huge in this video, anyway, does this kit come everything soldered on a board already or I have to put/solder everything together?
Kirk Cunningham, I wouldn't know until you bring the speaker here to an acoustic engineer for measurements. I notice those are a horn loaded speaker with a 2.5 way crossover. It will be interesting to see how those woofers similar to the Klipsch rp8000f are crossed over to that twitter. What Mr Richie has stressed repeatedly is that he does not bash on these manufacturers for making some of these component and design choices. He understands that to compete and meet a price point, especially on factory produced products, lower quality components and non resonating materials will be compromised. This is exactly why we spend that extra $$ on his networks as he uses higher quality components that bring the speaker to what it should have been.
Steely Dan 5000, actually he has tested a bookshelf speaker I forgot from which manufacturer, which was fine after he did his measurements. He found no problem with its crossover and response and decided to just upgrade a few parts to elevate it. Klipsch aren't dumb and they know where they are cutting corners to meet that price point on their popular speakers why else do u think their heresy line has all the high end components. I own a pair of rp8000f and a pair of Whaferdale diamonds 10 and trust me Mr Richie is correct on saying there's a gap where the two 8 inch woofers crossover to the one horn tweeter. I noticed it when I switched to the Whaferdales which are a 3 way speaker hence he made an upgrade kit for the rp8000 making them a 2.5 way speaker allowing the tweeter to crossover to the upper woofer but still maintaining at lower frequencies the two woofers to play as one. This made them blend a lot better with that tweeter. So actually he is helping these manufacturers for free and not trying to destroy their business.
@@MrPhirit I have shown two speakers thus far on these video's that measured really well in all regards. And I did not recommend any new crossover design work, just some parts upgrades. This was one of them: ruclips.net/video/-CWVxZIr5t8/видео.html
Danny, Thank you for these videos. I see in most all spectral decay plots what looks like a "pan handle" at the lower frequencies curving from the lowest frequencies and moving on up in frequency over time. What exactly is that? If you have previously addresses I apologize for missing it. Can you please explain this? - Thanks.
The wavelengths in the lower range are becoming too long to accurately measure at this distance. So the computer will slice off the range below what can really be measure accurately.
Not a fan boy but I think the cross overs are appropriate it's a home theater speaker not a hifi speaker of course the out side woofers are going be lower then the inside woofers and treble its because movies are mix with higher bass and special affects its only to make dialog more prevalent and it doesn't need more bass detail that's what subs are for
@@ekimandersom4478 I'm sure these weren't sold as a budget speaker! Budget doesn't need to sound bad or need tweaking of the crossover. Maybe you need to see the multitudes of Klipsch speaker upgrade GR research has done. A budget speaker may have limitations like lack of deep bass or lack of heavy power handling but, still sound good. Buy a Klipsch and pay for an upgrade ? Sorry no can do. Do you you for them or did you buy them ????
I'm curious. I had this in my system for over a year, and i started to notice some kind of a distortion in certain voices while watching movies. Raising the crossover seemed to help, but based on the FR shown in this video is there something in there that could be the cause of this issue?
Thinking about moving from my RP-600c over to the RP-504C as well. I used to have the RP-450C and really liked it, but needed to exchange it since it didn't fit in my cabinet at the time. Since then I've gotten a new cabinet that can handle a large center.
Also RJ check out the GR Research forum on Audiocircle. Lots of guys doing these upgrades and posting photos and helping each other out over there as well.
Wooho! I see a Carnegie box, might those be my CST's on the way? Woo-hoo! 😎 Thank you for this video, I am planning for an SVS Ultra bookshelf upgrade, and you have saved yourself some questions that I would've asked you :-)
The first one of the two CST'1s arrived today, and in my silliness I have connected it to the system where the other speaker is a Pioneer SP-FA52. ... It is certainly beating the Pioneer with one hand tied behind its back :-)
@@azharzaidi3264, I'm about to do an upgrade with his Parts on the Carnegie CST-1's that I got a few days back (No-rez & Sonicaps) . The Planar Tweeter and smooth sound from the CST-1's is so much better than my SVS Ultra bookshelves, even before the upgrade of the CST's, I'm not sure it's worth trying to upgrade the SVS's. I'm still testing, thinking, learning. More than likely I will send them in, but I'm not in much of a rush to to do it at this time. Which speakers do you have?
Lol that sounds like something people on the net would say... "how much would it cost to upgrade my speaker" with no info at all. People really are stupid. Honestly that question doesn't even deserve an answer from you. If they aren't smart enough to realize that BEFORE asking that question, it's definitely not worth the hassle of dealing with them.
I'm very happy with my rp160s/rp600s and my 450c. For the price they're great. It's nice to see people can still choose to "upgrade" these if they want to spend a little extra money. You want to spend extra money for higher quality parts, go ahead. Talking with Klipsch engineers, they have to balance price and quality to fit in the market they're shooting for
Yes, the parts quality at these price points is about the same as what is seen in many others, but there are some engineering issues with the models that I have designed upgrades for that really needed to be addressed.
@@dannyrichie9743 then at that point buy a better pair of speakers. That's what I don't understand. People say all the time that these are cheaply built and this and that but frankly these aren't classified as end all be all speakers. They're the midline of Klipsch products. If you're spending low money and expecting miracles, you won't get that. It's just more me getting annoyed when people start saying shit about the speakers but they're affordable. How do people think they become affordable? It's just hypocrisy. These engineering "issues" aren't "issues." They're decisions engineers make so if people want to get a nice set of speakers at a good price, they can buy them
I am pretty certain that even if you step up into price points that are double what these are you still see the same cheesy internal parts. So you wind up in the same boat. I found the same cheesy parts in their $3,500 Forte 3 model. I did a video on that one as well. And it was a pretty BIG upgrade. And when the drivers are out of phase at the crossover point and the crossover isn't allowing the range of one driver to reach the range of the next (causing a hole), that isn't something that engineers decide to do. That is lack of any engineering. Those are real issues. Stored energy and ringing are also issues not addressed. They are not the result of some calculated decision. And upgrading speakers is part of the fun. It also gets new people involved in learning and enjoying the DIY aspect of this hobby.
I reckon Klipsh does its frequency dip at crossover on purpose as a form of loudspeaker voicing as it appears that they do it on a lot of their products
@@dannyrichie9743 Hi Danny, you have spotted that problem of drivers not summing up on many Klpish designs that I am starting to wonder if that poor design is what they are looking for to get a sonic signature.
@@bernardchesneau3091 the type of drivers they use would make for enough of a signature, you don't need to make it sound bad by a shitty phase match & not enough treble attenuation. IMO they just don't care, people buy it anyway because it looks cool (and it definitely does). I own a pair of Edifier active speakers that have a better designed crossover than Klipsch...
Have you upgraded any of the Klipsch powered speakers? I have a pair of their R-51PM monitors in my office that I would be curious to see if there are any upgrades
It performs well stock. Keep in mind, this is a mass produced speaker, and a good one for the price. The upgrades in this video likely take the performance to a higher level. Klipsch did a good job for the price bracket they are targeting. The upgrades this video discusses might not seem like a lot of money, but when you are selling thousands and thousands of speakers, a small sacrifice in performance can equate to millions in additional profits for Klipsch. It’s nice that there are experts like this that can take a mass production speaker and perfect it for such a low price. But it isn’t a bad speaker out of the box.
Wonder if I could upgrade the old model center (Klipsch Reference Premiere RP-450C) with this kit. Drivers are the same, tweeter is the same but vented.
Yes, The woofers are all the same and the tweeter is just a little bit different but both sound Amazing, and the upgrade kit sounds Amazing & IMO worth the upgrade!
Hi Danny! I ordered the upgrade kit for the 504c and am excited to get it done. My limited experience level has me stuck on the crossover layout though. I know you included the circuit diagram with the kit, but translating that into a layout that is logical and doesn’t create any issues is beyond my novice level. The layout you included with the RP-600M upgrade kit was really helpful - is there any chance of getting the same expert guidance for the 504c? (Not a 4 part video series, just a crossover layout, lol) Thanks in advance!
Thank you for doing these videos. Everything is Relative and I'm now looking for a center channel to hang with my Kipsch Forte speakers (I'm sure those have their own issues at the crossover point). Do you guys have a flat pack center channel that could hang with some old Forte's? I currently have an rc62II.
Danny Richie thank you! What comes with they kit? The wood etc or just the design? Would be awesome and I’m sure you’d do more business if there was a little more description as to what you were purchasing. People have been burned too many times to take the leap without looking. Thanks again.
@@NakeanWickliff Our kits come with everything you need minus the lumber. We also have a few fully assembled X-Voce still left in stock that we've been blowing out for $250 a piece.
@@bumkrilla5339 Who rates it 6 ohm? I can't find anything from Klipsch saying anything other than 8 ohm compatible. Yes most receivers will handle 4 ohms even if the specs/manual say otherwise. However it will reduce your overall output to all your speakers as the crappy receiver amp will run out of steam sooner.
@Ekim Andersom they as in the video and every 8 ohm speaker will have dips in impedence so it's really not a big deal and dips mainly happen when you run it full range with no subs and a hometheater marketed speaker will definitely have a subwoofer so it will pretty much stay around 8 ohms
Would love to see what you can do with Klipsch RF 7 IIIs. I recently acquired a pair and although I like their sound, to me, there is something that is a bit off. Maybe one day you will tackle these behemoths.
@@dannyrichie9743 Did you you ever get a one of them in? I'd love to see you do it and the RC-64 III center that goes with them. Depending on what you find I'd be looking to do the kits for them.
Why don’t these guys stop messing with electronics. If they think they can improve on the brands out there then why don’t they start up their own company ?
Well if you do your research then any one would know that center speakers are mainly for hometheater use and this video is useless unless they are trying to make this center channel used mainly for music but most avrs will roll off the highs and elevate the bass so the extream highs in klipsch becomes tamed and the weak bass becomes elevated that being said the cheap cross overs and caps is just pure profit I do take back my pervious comment video isn't completely useless it does show you some things like the wrong ohms rating
I'm not sure what's worse, that you believe you're "upgrading" this speaker, or the amount of people below that also believe it. Good snake oil salesman 👍
@@TBomb85 he completely redesigned the crossover, removed resonance by adding quality damping material, and showed the improvements in the measured response. Your reply was to say it's snake oil and imply that speakers can't be upgraded. So no not verbatim but your snarky sarcastic response makes your implications clear.
Yes, I am aware that some people will believe that the world is flat no matter what you tell them. Keep believing whatever makes you feel the most comfortable, but everyone else knows better.
If you don’t like how klipsch speakers sound why the hell buy them to upgrade them???? 🤔lol. Just buyer other speaker brands that have the sound you’re looking for
They are a cheaper speaker could find that center channel for $480 new which isn't bad and the upgrades are room subjective the resolution isn't as bad as he says these are meant for movies not hifi audio thats not their target no one buys a center channel gor hi res audio no fan boy just see it how it is that being said heritage is way over priced for what they are but rp line is price reasonable and has good comp with other companies
So all these Best Buy klipsch owners love their speakers. Yet they need modification to get some goodness out of them?! Buy a real klipsch instead of this mid low fi shit. Get it over with already
@@dannyrichie9743 Yep saw that video among the many I've seen of yours. Klipsch seems to use cheap ass shit and if you even sneeze on the veneer it will scratch its so delicate. Basically a decent marketing Company with shit products! And although they might cost a lot more, at least JBL with their synthesis products like the M2 or S9900 or even Everest 6700 don't use shit components! But again you're paying a lot more of course but that klipschorn for $16,000 is made like a piece of shit!🤪🤪🤯🤯🤯🤯 Can't imagine what 16 Grand in your product line sounds like and is built like!🤪🤪🤗🤗😇😇🤫🤫😬 Heck, if the stock market keeps going up like this I might consider buying a used pair of Everest 6700!😉😉😁😁😋🤑🤑🙄
It’s not common for someone with so much knowledge and experience to be able to explain in easy terms that a layperson can understand. Well done. Seems Klipsch needs to pull you onboard for the next revision...
Can only be in one place at a time.
easy he been doing this so many years he learned how to talk to idiots pretty dam good lol
True understanding is achieved when you can explain to another person in ways they can understand.
True but its a center channel speaker not hi fidelity music speaker the cross overs are elevated on highs for clarity in movies if it's balance it won't sound as good in movies as you know movies are mixed with special effects elevated causing you to raise your center channel to hear the faces I do agree they should put in better cross overs they are super cheap
Thank you for doing this, especially now that many of us have some extra time to spend with our equipment!
Well you can do it on your own you don't need Danny he might come over if you ask him nicely I know he's a gay pin-up
@@johnsweda2999 what does gender have to do with sound?
Keep rolling Danny! Kick that stuff out and put that good stuff in. It will be worth it. Little things mean a lot! Press on Danny!
Oh man I'm so glad I was recommended this channel, I do a bit of speaker modifying myself. In fact I just replaced the woofers on a pair of fine KLH 9250B with some 12" Memphis audio subwoofers I grabbed at a yard sale. Quality at it's finest.
Saphire Throated Carpenter Ant hi, wasn’t there any compatibility issues. Did the replacement woofers work well or did the distort the sound. I ask because I want to change my woofers too.
@@azharzaidi3264 I was told there would be issues. I was told it wasn't the right frequency or something like that and that it was going to sound terrible. It sounds amazing.
I disconnected the mid speaker because I was told the 12" was going to throw it out of wack since it was so powerful and if I disconnected it then at least it would be kind if like a passive mini woofer (if I understood correctly).
The tweeter was shielded from the back so I left it connected because I didn't figure the pressure from the woofer would throw it out of wack, so to speak.
Then I removed the 12 inch woofers from the speakers and replaced them with 12" Memphis subwoofers which I'm sure you know are for car audio. I powered the pair of Memphis subwoofers with the subwoofer amplifiers from a set of old Klipsch 12" subwoofers I also grabbed at a yard sale and connected them to the subwoofer out.
So the speakers themselves have a tweeter running from the L/R on the receiver, a mid woofer disconnected, and a Memphis subwoofer connected to the subwoofer outs.
Was told it would sound awful and that I was going to either ruin the subwoofers or my receiver but the receiver is still going strong and the subwoofers have been used in home audio since I picked them up about 8 years ago.
That being said I'm sure most people on here would tell you it sounded awful. Then again just as some people can hardly tell the difference between 1080p and 4k, I can hardly tell the difference between a set of Klipsch from Best Buy and a set of $50,000 Go F Yourselves handmade by Jack Meoff...
Saphire Throated Carpenter Ant Hi, It must have been fun too doing all this by yourself. Thanks. Azhar
If I was only faster at it AND I had all of the proper measuring tools and equipment, and the money to invest in a shop with the proper tools, I could also do this sort of thing! Speaker design, building, improvement, and repair has been a serious hobby of mine for many decades already, but I've never been able to actually make any money at it, so I just do it for myself... It would be a "dream career" though, if I had the means and time to get a business like this started! Damn dude, you are doing exactly what I also enjoy, but on a much larger scale than what I can afford to do... So consider yourself lucky to be able to actually make money doing what you're passionate about! I wish I could get there myself too!
You sound like someone who wont do it. Just in case I am wrong...
1) Room measurement software - download Room EQ Wizard for free
2) Measurement mic from Partsexpress $90
3) Measure impedance & T/s parameters from Partsexpress called DATS $130
4) Crossover simulation software - X-Sim free
@@5333092 Thanks for the info! I'll give those free things a try, but I can't afford to actually buy *anything* rn, especially since I am basically completely out of work due to this damn pandemic and I haven't even been able to pay my *rent* for two months now! :(
BTW, where/what website do you go to in order to download those free software programs? (And are those programs for a laptop or computer or are they for a phone or tablet?)
@@JoeJ-8282 It's all for PC-laptop runing Windows.
i have this exact ringing in a certain mid-range on my RC-62 ! never measured it proper, but my ears complain about it.
I wonder how much Klipsch improved the frequency response on the RP-504C II? Given they gave themselves a second chance to do better. Maybe they saw Danny's video and saw how much better the next gen speaker could be.
you are really good...very knowledgeable with lots of experience in facts / imperial data
I've been wanting to upgrade my klipsch center channel rp500c to this exact speaker. Great info!
Thanks for putting these videos out. Look forward to doing business with you.
That’s a huge center
It's A very good center, too. Danny over reacts that these speakers need a lot of help. The only problem I notice with my Klipsch system is in layered music it has problem with separation. I'm not sure if they're doing all the can with the signal they're getting or if there's a problem with the caps, resistors, etc in the crossover. This is a very musical and banging center though.
Omg I just discovered this vlog series of Danny from GR Research.. soooo coool, sooo professional, straight to the point. Since couple of months (almost a year?) I enjoy the videos of Paul McGowan and it's really relaxing watching his videos too, but what I especially like in these videos of Danny is the no-bullshitting, snake-oil free, relaxed attitude and the fact that all videos begin with the topic itself. In most of the cases I'm really not interested in what has happened yesterday to the left knee of the presenter or listening to some kind of a fairy tale during the first half of a 5 minutes video 'til we get to the point - and then during an interesting explanation being distracted by the smallest thing as well, uh... that's just annoying. Danny's videos miss all these.. disturbances are cut, big fairy tales aren't there at all, he just greets us and the next sentence is right about the topic I came for according to the video's title. This is what we call pure efficiency, net and gross ratio is almost 1. :) Amazing work, all the great experience of the last decades shines through, a really down-to-earth approach to hi-fi.. I'm really pleased. Keep up the good work, I can't have enough time at the moment to watch all previous episodes but I'm trying hard.. (it goes against the 'wife factor' you know.. but hell, we're all audiophiles) :D ;)) Cheers.
Vortexetrov you sure know Paul’s style of presentation. Paul is a really nice guys who knows and teaches a lot. He enjoys being with us. Danny speaks great and stays very much to the point, and I love that very much. Difference is that I will be sending my Kenwood speakers to Danny very soon, and would appreciate if he makes a video about it too, if so, then I will buy a pair of my favorite Sansui speakers and upgrade them too.
@@azharzaidi3264 I like the presentation of Danny better, but I have to admit as a person I like Paul too. Following Paul almost every day since more then a year it's almost like having a 2nd grandfather :)) lol. So all of my respect go to Paul but I always need to remind myself: there isn't only PS Audio on this planet, especially when I look on the amp and DAC measurements on audiosciencereview.com. I ditched/sold all my amps since 3-4 years, living on headphones still.. and now looking for a bunch of Hypex modules for my active 3-way stereo. These toys make such a big difference in sound, especially low noise floor, clarity and woofer control, omg, I just left all of the good-old Class A and AB stuff - I think it's a matter of taste but luckily (or not) my ears like the 'dry, precise' presentation much better, than the lush, warm sound of some amps (which is a sound characteristics and NOT included on the original material). Excellent implementation of Class D is so much different.. (and superior by now I think). But this is another topic, cheers and good luck for the tuning/reparature :)
You are right about the snake oil he even Reis the cables from the floor with pins so there is no contact with the ground
Reasonable box, good drivers. Why Klipsch doesn't engineer a decent crossover is beyond me...
Look inside of jbl. A joke. Same like klipsch heritage.
Because they like profit, and 99% of buyers will never notice
In a large corporation like Klipsch, what likely happens is somewhere along the way from when the engineer(s) spec'd the crossover, suppliers changed, components were swapped out, revisions were made, etc, and you get a product like this. It's not hard to see a finance guy making a switch somewhere without consulting any engineers to save money or meet deadlines, or the factory making the box differently to cut production time without telling engineers. I am willing to bet the crossover design is made very early on in design stages before revisions to the product get made (i.e. swapping drivers due to supply chain issues), thus creating a situation where the crossover is no longer suitable with the new parameters from product revisions.
Wow! A lot of information. Thank you!
Danny,
I only since December last year enjoy a good sound and became obsessed with everything there is know about speaker tech and I consider you as a good source.
I would love to build a servo sub but can't decide if with one or two drivers and what shape of open baffle: W, H or I (like the speakers from Spatial Audio). I would really love to see an episode about this subject and I think many with me.
Keep up the great work and thank you for sharing all the knowledge with everyone that is interested.
Regards,
Diederick
Amsterdam, the Netherlands
Several have asked about more information on the open baffle subs. I will do this. And answer all of those questions.
@@dannyrichie9743
That's very cool Danny! 🙏🤩
Have you considered doing before and after sound comparisons?
Lost all my interest after hearing how the binding posts limit the bass texture and dirty the signal and limit the resolution.
Outstanding video, thank you Danny! Just curious, now that Klipsch has Gen ii out there on this model, have you had an opportunity to test it and what did you discover? I’d be very interested in your feedback on the gen ii model. Thanks
These speakers do not measure that terribly unless you got some special spot in your room where node / phase issues are happening to an extreme.
Hi Danny, I'm not confuse. (you probably wondering what I am talking about) thank you for saving me the money I was going to spend buying klipsch speakers. I'm glad I found your channel. I am a DIY. My philosophy is why pay someone to do something wrong when I can do it all by myself. My only worry is how the cross over are made? What I mean is, are they all connected to each other or on to a broad? I may have seen the video but I'm not sure. Thank You in advance.
Check out my latest video's on the X-LS Encores. I go through the whole DIY process.
@@dannyrichie9743 Thank You for your reply and for understanding my text. Only in one day watching your video I have learned a lot.
Great channel, like to see a video on installing the kit
I have quite a few speakers both bought and DIY that I'd like to measure myself, but I don't currently have measuring equipment. If you could cover a budget option for a decent measurement setup that would be awesome.
The best bang for the buck speaker measuring software might be the Pocket Clio.
And keep in mind that software like REW isn't a speaker measuring system. It is a room measuring system. The two are quite different.
I have the RC 64 IIIs. Can you explain to me why when I watch a TV show or movie with the sound at around 60 dB, when I go to the corner of the room (45 degrees), I can still easily hear the dialogue (from the center channel), when based on this, at 60 dB sound, there should be a - 60dB in what I am hearing from the center, so I should not hear any discernable speech?
@Danny Richie: can this upgrade kit also be applied to a Klipsch RP-450C? I think the difference between the RP-450C (original one) and the RP-504C (version 1) is only cosmetic and not technically?
Wondering the same...
would it be better to have a vertical standing speaker as a center channel? Would that increase the off axis response? Like if you stood that center channel on its side instead of laying it horizontally.
I never saw any emotiva speakers on your page I won't mind u upgrading my c2 center channel
so stupid question. do these parts go on the same board? you did not mention if a new board is needed for this.
Could someone send him a Klipsch RP-6000F, please !
LMFAOOOOO
I have an original RC-64 Version 1. Will this solution work with it in the same way as the RC-64 III? I also have original RF-5s and wondering of any of the other RF upgrades would be applicable.
Danny, here an idea for a future video. I have listened to all video. I am a bit curious to know why components make a difference. You explained well for iron core inductors. But why polypropylène is beter than pvc? Why mil resistor, is it only tight tolerence or something else. What is inside a soni caps? I really enjoyed the portion of the video where you explained the negative return wire goes directly from tweeter to the tube connector without a break point (klipsch part 4 or 5). Thanks for this channel !!!!!
Okay, let me think on that one and figure something out.
'You can't just swap out a driver' ......
Danny, I cant believe that anyone who has actually watched any of your previous videos would even ask such a naive question. That's the kind of mindset many of us had as teenagers wanting better sound in our cars, ffs - just pull the factory speakers and slap in something from Pioneer (good head units but mediocre speakers) or Sony (mediocre speakers with flashing lights) and expect a massive improvement ;)
Thanks for persisting with the channel.
For the price of buying Kliosch and all the upgrades, you can just buy a good speaker to start with ;)
Whoa there buddy...grew up on klipsch and nothing quite sounds like they do to my ear. Recently switched over from polk audio which i found not to have quite as accurate sound reproduction. I also watch your cigar reviews. Have for a few years. Cheers.
I agree with you 100%
@@Enchanted3DPrints What model Polk did you have? the T15 is crap, dull treble
awesome. Although I always wonder why companies make center channels so wide??? isn't that bad for horizontal imaging?
Yes, they can be in some cases.
Because it looks impressive and expensive, they can charge more money.
so who's done it ? is it better ? and how much better ? is it worth the $215?
I would like to hear from those that have done this upgrade also.
Playlist to audition Klipsch speakers.
1. Motley Crue: SHOUT at the devil
2. Tears for fears: SHOUT
3. Motley crue Primal scream (and SHOUT)
4. Twist and SHOUT - The Beatles
5. SHOUT Pt 1& 2: The Isley Brothers
6. You make me wanna SHOUT
Ever do any upgrades for the Klipsch Epic CF-4? They have some what of a cult following and seem like a cool platform to play with.
The kit for Klipsch RP 504c would this kit work on my Klipsch RP 450c ?
Will this crossover work with the RP-404 C? The only difference is smaller woofer drivers and they may even use the same Klipsch crossover.
If the drivers are different then the crossover values will likely need to be different as well.
A while back I did swap a woofer ( both cabinets) the end result was crap. I ended up getting new set.
I have this same center channel speaker, it looks huge in this video, anyway, does this kit come everything soldered on a board already or I have to put/solder everything together?
You get to enjoy the fun associated with the assembly of the crossover.
Should we be buying something other than a Klipsch as a better starting point?
if you follow this channel you will see that all these commercial manufactured products from all these companies need some help.
Kirk Cunningham, I wouldn't know until you bring the speaker here to an acoustic engineer for measurements. I notice those are a horn loaded speaker with a 2.5 way crossover. It will be interesting to see how those woofers similar to the Klipsch rp8000f are crossed over to that twitter. What Mr Richie has stressed repeatedly is that he does not bash on these manufacturers for making some of these component and design choices. He understands that to compete and meet a price point, especially on factory produced products, lower quality components and non resonating materials will be compromised. This is exactly why we spend that extra $$ on his networks as he uses higher quality components that bring the speaker to what it should have been.
Steely Dan 5000, actually he has tested a bookshelf speaker I forgot from which manufacturer, which was fine after he did his measurements. He found no problem with its crossover and response and decided to just upgrade a few parts to elevate it. Klipsch aren't dumb and they know where they are cutting corners to meet that price point on their popular speakers why else do u think their heresy line has all the high end components. I own a pair of rp8000f and a pair of Whaferdale diamonds 10 and trust me Mr Richie is correct on saying there's a gap where the two 8 inch woofers crossover to the one horn tweeter. I noticed it when I switched to the Whaferdales which are a 3 way speaker hence he made an upgrade kit for the rp8000 making them a 2.5 way speaker allowing the tweeter to crossover to the upper woofer but still maintaining at lower frequencies the two woofers to play as one. This made them blend a lot better with that tweeter. So actually he is helping these manufacturers for free and not trying to destroy their business.
@@MrPhirit I have shown two speakers thus far on these video's that measured really well in all regards. And I did not recommend any new crossover design work, just some parts upgrades. This was one of them: ruclips.net/video/-CWVxZIr5t8/видео.html
@Steely Dan 5000 I have received a few questions directly from Klipsch.
Would this center be basically the same as the RP-450c? seems klipsch likes their product numbers.
Yes, it works w the RP-450c And RP-504c both sound Amazing
Yes both with the same crippled off axis performance and so so on axis response. Much better options from other brands
Wouldn't no connector be better than a Tube connector?
It would, but the speaker still needs a connector for the speaker cable.
Has Klipsch ever commented on any of your upgrades to their speakers? Have they ever tried to explain why they appear so bad during your tests?
Danny, Thank you for these videos. I see in most all spectral decay plots what looks like a "pan handle" at the lower frequencies curving from the lowest frequencies and moving on up in frequency over time. What exactly is that? If you have previously addresses I apologize for missing it. Can you please explain this? - Thanks.
The wavelengths in the lower range are becoming too long to accurately measure at this distance. So the computer will slice off the range below what can really be measure accurately.
@@dannyrichie9743 Thank you!
This is a 8ohm centerspeaker according to Klipsch.
How can it be dipping to 3,5 ohm?
I can't believe they make produce speakers like that.
Not a fan boy but I think the cross overs are appropriate it's a home theater speaker not a hifi speaker of course the out side woofers are going be lower then the inside woofers and treble its because movies are mix with higher bass and special affects its only to make dialog more prevalent and it doesn't need more bass detail that's what subs are for
@@bumkrilla5339 So Klipsch sells this as a home theater speaker ? That's a laugh
@@greggcheap6208 what do you expect from a budget speaker?
@@ekimandersom4478 I'm sure these weren't sold as a budget speaker! Budget doesn't need to sound bad or need tweaking of the crossover. Maybe you need to see the multitudes of Klipsch speaker upgrade GR research has done. A budget speaker may have limitations like lack of deep bass or lack of heavy power handling but, still sound good. Buy a Klipsch and pay for an upgrade ? Sorry no can do.
Do you you for them or did you buy them ????
@@greggcheap6208 A 1000 for 2 Floorstand speakers is budget.
I'm curious. I had this in my system for over a year, and i started to notice some kind of a distortion in certain voices while watching movies. Raising the crossover seemed to help, but based on the FR shown in this video is there something in there that could be the cause of this issue?
I have the rp600c and was thinking of buying the 504c but wow that thing is massive lol and unfortunately no room for it
Thinking about moving from my RP-600c over to the RP-504C as well. I used to have the RP-450C and really liked it, but needed to exchange it since it didn't fit in my cabinet at the time. Since then I've gotten a new cabinet that can handle a large center.
Does the kit come with instructions for first timers. I plan to get same center, rp600m, rp8000f for my first home theater.
It comes with everything you need, and my support.
Also RJ check out the GR Research forum on Audiocircle. Lots of guys doing these upgrades and posting photos and helping each other out over there as well.
Wooho!
I see a Carnegie box, might those be my CST's on the way?
Woo-hoo! 😎
Thank you for this video, I am planning for an SVS Ultra bookshelf upgrade, and you have saved yourself some questions that I would've asked you :-)
Yes, those boxes were from the Carnegie video that I shot minutes before this one.
The first one of the two CST'1s arrived today, and in my silliness I have connected it to the system where the other speaker is a Pioneer SP-FA52.
... It is certainly beating the Pioneer with one hand tied behind its back :-)
Both CST's received.
I'm impressed! 😎
AverageNiceGuy Hi, did Danny upgrade your speakers. What would you say to make me send my speakers to Danny for an upgrade?
@@azharzaidi3264,
I'm about to do an upgrade with his Parts on the Carnegie CST-1's that I got a few days back (No-rez & Sonicaps) .
The Planar Tweeter and smooth sound from the CST-1's is so much better than my SVS Ultra bookshelves, even before the upgrade of the CST's, I'm not sure it's worth trying to upgrade the SVS's.
I'm still testing, thinking, learning.
More than likely I will send them in, but I'm not in much of a rush to to do it at this time.
Which speakers do you have?
How thick are your insulation mats 504c and is it always the same thickness in the speaker you are using
Good day to you sir. would love your advice on how to remove access the tewwter on the RF-62 II Klipsch
Tnx 👍
Lol that sounds like something people on the net would say... "how much would it cost to upgrade my speaker" with no info at all. People really are stupid. Honestly that question doesn't even deserve an answer from you. If they aren't smart enough to realize that BEFORE asking that question, it's definitely not worth the hassle of dealing with them.
This center channel is around 700 bucks. Would you recommend something in that price range that's better quality?
on sale for 450 right now
May I say, u should make the crossover change the impedance to 8ohm dipping to a minimum of 6ohm; right my man or did u make that adjustment??
You can’t change the impedance
Just modify your own cables best available alternative ? thats what I do..
I'm very happy with my rp160s/rp600s and my 450c. For the price they're great. It's nice to see people can still choose to "upgrade" these if they want to spend a little extra money. You want to spend extra money for higher quality parts, go ahead. Talking with Klipsch engineers, they have to balance price and quality to fit in the market they're shooting for
Yes, the parts quality at these price points is about the same as what is seen in many others, but there are some engineering issues with the models that I have designed upgrades for that really needed to be addressed.
@@dannyrichie9743 then at that point buy a better pair of speakers. That's what I don't understand. People say all the time that these are cheaply built and this and that but frankly these aren't classified as end all be all speakers. They're the midline of Klipsch products. If you're spending low money and expecting miracles, you won't get that. It's just more me getting annoyed when people start saying shit about the speakers but they're affordable. How do people think they become affordable? It's just hypocrisy. These engineering "issues" aren't "issues." They're decisions engineers make so if people want to get a nice set of speakers at a good price, they can buy them
I am pretty certain that even if you step up into price points that are double what these are you still see the same cheesy internal parts. So you wind up in the same boat. I found the same cheesy parts in their $3,500 Forte 3 model. I did a video on that one as well. And it was a pretty BIG upgrade.
And when the drivers are out of phase at the crossover point and the crossover isn't allowing the range of one driver to reach the range of the next (causing a hole), that isn't something that engineers decide to do. That is lack of any engineering. Those are real issues. Stored energy and ringing are also issues not addressed. They are not the result of some calculated decision.
And upgrading speakers is part of the fun. It also gets new people involved in learning and enjoying the DIY aspect of this hobby.
Is there any upgrade for the Klipsch RC64 Mk3 or the RF7 Mk3?
Yes, but you could have just looked at their website
I have the 504c and my far left woofer when looking at it is not responding. Where can I get a replacement woofer? Thanks
Probably at Klipsch
Can you list your top 5 LP's or CD's like Ron did?
I reckon Klipsh does its frequency dip at crossover on purpose as a form of loudspeaker voicing as it appears that they do it on a lot of their products
shit sound signature?
The problem is more than just voicing, the drivers aren't even in phase in that area.
@@dannyrichie9743 Hi Danny, you have spotted that problem of drivers not summing up on many Klpish designs that I am starting to wonder if that poor design is what they are looking for to get a sonic signature.
@@bernardchesneau3091 the type of drivers they use would make for enough of a signature, you don't need to make it sound bad by a shitty phase match & not enough treble attenuation.
IMO they just don't care, people buy it anyway because it looks cool (and it definitely does).
I own a pair of Edifier active speakers that have a better designed crossover than Klipsch...
@@tomkocur I agree with you, I was just trying to figure out why they INSIST with their shoddy crossover design
Have you upgraded any of the Klipsch powered speakers? I have a pair of their R-51PM monitors in my office that I would be curious to see if there are any upgrades
No, there is nothing that I can do with the powered models.
Danny Richie ok, thanks Danny
What model is this center channel?
RP-504C
If you have quality components stable to 3-4 ohms is there any drawback to designing the speaker to stay at lower resistance?
The lower impedance loads are very demanding on the amplifier.
Danny Richie agreed. But if the amplifier is 4 ohm (or 2 ohm) stable wouldn’t it be best to have a speaker that dances around that resistance?
@@dannyrichie9743 Australian Rola speakers(1950's) had impedances low as 2 ohm, they were used with valve audio
How much space behind this speaker should I allow given that it is rear ported?
1 meter
awesome
So I other words Klipsch tested it an said ah good enough build it, hey make Shure you put a high price tag on it it does say Klipsch on it!
IMO Klipsch have a new Tweeter w a Rubber Housing around it. A major improvement over the RF line w w/o the upgrade
It performs well stock. Keep in mind, this is a mass produced speaker, and a good one for the price. The upgrades in this video likely take the performance to a higher level. Klipsch did a good job for the price bracket they are targeting. The upgrades this video discusses might not seem like a lot of money, but when you are selling thousands and thousands of speakers, a small sacrifice in performance can equate to millions in additional profits for Klipsch. It’s nice that there are experts like this that can take a mass production speaker and perfect it for such a low price. But it isn’t a bad speaker out of the box.
Wonder if I could upgrade the old model center (Klipsch Reference Premiere RP-450C) with this kit. Drivers are the same, tweeter is the same but vented.
If the drivers are different at all then the response is going to be a little different as well.
Yes, The woofers are all the same and the tweeter is just a little bit different but both sound Amazing, and the upgrade kit sounds Amazing & IMO worth the upgrade!
Hi Danny! I ordered the upgrade kit for the 504c and am excited to get it done. My limited experience level has me stuck on the crossover layout though. I know you included the circuit diagram with the kit, but translating that into a layout that is logical and doesn’t create any issues is beyond my novice level. The layout you included with the RP-600M upgrade kit was really helpful - is there any chance of getting the same expert guidance for the 504c? (Not a 4 part video series, just a crossover layout, lol) Thanks in advance!
Give me a call and I'll help you with it and walk you through it all.
Have you worked with the heresy lll. Any improvement?
I have not.
Someone in the USA please send Danny a Klipsch SB120 tv sound base. Please please please ;)
🤦 Danny, I’m so sorry. You’re free to forward the unanswerable emails to me.
Adding cotton to your ear canals is my favorite upgrade to klipsch speakers
Is this kit still around?
Thinking same thing. Just ordered this speaker
Yoh...i stumbled on this channel..its dam good...
Pleas upgrade kef r700!!
Thank you for doing these videos. Everything is Relative and I'm now looking for a center channel to hang with my Kipsch Forte speakers (I'm sure those have their own issues at the crossover point). Do you guys have a flat pack center channel that could hang with some old Forte's? I currently have an rc62II.
Check out the X-Voce: gr-research.com/x-voce.aspx
Danny Richie thank you! What comes with they kit? The wood etc or just the design? Would be awesome and I’m sure you’d do more business if there was a little more description as to what you were purchasing. People have been burned too many times to take the leap without looking. Thanks again.
@@NakeanWickliff Our kits come with everything you need minus the lumber.
We also have a few fully assembled X-Voce still left in stock that we've been blowing out for $250 a piece.
With a four driver array you have the basis of a line array effect, is that not a bigger effect on the off axis response?
No, there is not enough there to begin to act as a line source.
Have you ever had a speaker you did not like ?
Which model 504 450?
Klipsch RP-504c
Amazingly Klipsch calls this an 8 ohm speaker!
8 ohm compatible but they rate it 6 ohm and most 6 ohm recivers handle 4 ohms they will play off an 8 ohm reciver just don't expect huge bass
@@bumkrilla5339 Who rates it 6 ohm? I can't find anything from Klipsch saying anything other than 8 ohm compatible. Yes most receivers will handle 4 ohms even if the specs/manual say otherwise. However it will reduce your overall output to all your speakers as the crappy receiver amp will run out of steam sooner.
@@bumkrilla5339 They clearly rate this 8 Ohm !
@Ekim Andersom they as in the video and every 8 ohm speaker will have dips in impedence so it's really not a big deal and dips mainly happen when you run it full range with no subs and a hometheater marketed speaker will definitely have a subwoofer so it will pretty much stay around 8 ohms
@@bumkrilla5339 look at his measurements.
Between 100hz and 1 khz he stays below 5 ohm.
Thats not just a dip.
But yeah most amps will cope with it.
how much better is the rp450c vs rp504c?
A bit better, probably wouldn't be noticeable.
Vented tweeter but when I called Klipsch they admitted it wasn't enough to bother upgrading...
@@timdmyterko4208 yeah, same exact driver and everything. It's just a slightly different design with different dimensions.
I come here for the snake oil
You must be very disappointed when none is to be found. Hang around anyway. The education is free.
You could add warning to your work: "accurate reproduction might not be your taste" :)
Would love to see what you can do with Klipsch RF 7 IIIs. I recently acquired a pair and although I like their sound, to me, there is something that is a bit off. Maybe one day you will tackle these behemoths.
I think someone is sending me one of those.
Danny just did a update for the RF-7 II
@@dannyrichie9743 Did you you ever get a one of them in? I'd love to see you do it and the RC-64 III center that goes with them. Depending on what you find I'd be looking to do the kits for them.
@@DesertILI I have not.
Doesn't this VOID your warranty!!!????
Probably, but they are broken already and we're helping you fix them. And nothing I've done is going to make them any more prone to failure.
Why don’t these guys stop messing with electronics. If they think they can improve on the brands out there then why don’t they start up their own company ?
Maybe you should do a little research before stating something like that.
Well if you do your research then any one would know that center speakers are mainly for hometheater use and this video is useless unless they are trying to make this center channel used mainly for music but most avrs will roll off the highs and elevate the bass so the extream highs in klipsch becomes tamed and the weak bass becomes elevated that being said the cheap cross overs and caps is just pure profit I do take back my pervious comment video isn't completely useless it does show you some things like the wrong ohms rating
I'm not sure what's worse, that you believe you're "upgrading" this speaker, or the amount of people below that also believe it. Good snake oil salesman 👍
Just to be clear, you are saying you believe that every speaker sounds exactly the same regardless of the drivers, box, and crossover?
Oh yeah, that's exactly what I said verbatim 🙄
@@TBomb85 he completely redesigned the crossover, removed resonance by adding quality damping material, and showed the improvements in the measured response. Your reply was to say it's snake oil and imply that speakers can't be upgraded. So no not verbatim but your snarky sarcastic response makes your implications clear.
Yes, I am aware that some people will believe that the world is flat no matter what you tell them. Keep believing whatever makes you feel the most comfortable, but everyone else knows better.
Now how about we take a look at upgrading their vile aesthetics!!!
Adults are asking those questions? Talk about having no common sense.
So $50 in parts cost $190?. This doesn't sound like a scam, does it?.
Keep seeing this so called upgrades but no proof of the sound test difference. Put some audio in your vids .
Some people are so stupid 🤣
If you don’t like how klipsch speakers sound why the hell buy them to upgrade them???? 🤔lol. Just buyer other speaker brands that have the sound you’re looking for
I've been watching Danny's upgrades of Klipsch speakers. My take on them is that they are junk! I would never buy these things. Any model.
Totally agree! Even their Heritage line is cheaply built!
They are a cheaper speaker could find that center channel for $480 new which isn't bad and the upgrades are room subjective the resolution isn't as bad as he says these are meant for movies not hifi audio thats not their target no one buys a center channel gor hi res audio no fan boy just see it how it is that being said heritage is way over priced for what they are but rp line is price reasonable and has good comp with other companies
Goodluck with other brands.
They all do the same dude.
So all these Best Buy klipsch owners love their speakers. Yet they need modification to get some goodness out of them?!
Buy a real klipsch instead of this mid low fi shit. Get it over with already
You mean like a Forte 3 model?
@@dannyrichie9743
I hope that is in jest!🙄 Compared to your stuff which is even cheaper price wise I believe, that speaker sucks!😬😉🤗😇
@@bigjay1970 Yeah, we've done an upgrade in the Forte as well. And it also really needed it.
@@dannyrichie9743
Yep saw that video among the many I've seen of yours. Klipsch seems to use cheap ass shit and if you even sneeze on the veneer it will scratch its so delicate. Basically a decent marketing Company with shit products! And although they might cost a lot more, at least JBL with their synthesis products like the M2 or S9900 or even Everest 6700 don't use shit components! But again you're paying a lot more of course but that klipschorn for $16,000 is made like a piece of shit!🤪🤪🤯🤯🤯🤯 Can't imagine what 16 Grand in your product line sounds like and is built like!🤪🤪🤗🤗😇😇🤫🤫😬 Heck, if the stock market keeps going up like this I might consider buying a used pair of Everest 6700!😉😉😁😁😋🤑🤑🙄
I don;t know how can folks listen to Klipsch...