I have to note that every known Macedonian name (from ancient history) is Greek. That was a surprise for me and many of my fellow students in the university of Kyoto.I quote: ΦΙΛΩ+ΙΠΠΟΣ, ΑΛΕΞΩ+ΑΝΗΡ etc.
GREETING FROM REAL MACEDONIA IN GREECE , NEXT TIME DO A DNA SPECIAL ON REAL MACEDONIANS IN GREECE WITH THEIR ANCESTORS IN THE SAME MACEDONIAN REGIONS IN GREECE .
As always, making very interesting and very good videos, I enjoyed learning more about the Macedonians, I keep asking you to make a video about the origins of the Saudi Arabs and the Lebanese Arabs because I'm curious, a big hug from Brazil
@@IEthereaI Greeks ,Bulgarians must realise that United Macedonia is not myth but reality .Northern greeks are helenized Macedonians the small diferences its only that they carry sligtly more R1a haplogroup other haplogroups same hits i belong to R1a1 r1am198 haplogroup .Bulgaria was created in 19 century before that was called Rumelia genetically we are most similar .
I found one paper published in Nature-Scientific Reports from 2019: "Ancient human mitochondrial genomes from Bronze Age Bulgaria: new insights into the genetic history of Thracians." In the results on page 6 it is said: "Along the first component (sPC1) the ancient Thracians are closely related with Central-East European populations, while along the second component (sPC2) our samples show higher resemblance with present-day Mediterranean groups." And in the discussion on page 7: "In accordance with their geographical location, Thracians show a genetic composition clearly intermediate between East Europe and Mediterranean, that suggests multiple admixture events and population movements occurred across what is now the modern day Bulgaria. " So, the contribution of East and Central European genetic pools is given by the 1st principal component (which, by the way, explains most of the data variance). This is in a full accordance with the linguistic theory of Mario Alinei and Collin Renfrew that Thracians were proto-Balto-Slavic speakers.
@@Pontic_warrior Yes, I know they do, and THAT'S WHY Russia is having such a hard time whipping Ukraine. It's like FIGHTING AGAINST THEMSELVES! If Russia could whip Ukraine, then Ukraine could whip Russia!
There is no such name as North Macedonians, it is an invention from 3-4 years ago, and it cannot be taken seriously as a term. If yes we should see in some next video info about , south, west, and eastern Macedonians too, other wise north doesn't make any sense... It is an authentic people with its own culture (mixed with the surrounding ones, of course, like any other modern country). But to use a term like North Macedonians is simply frivolous. Thank you for your work and effort, keep it up your videos are very informative.
Makedonski would be better. Macedonians from North Macedonia is also possible. There was nothing in the treaty referring as North Macedonians. Macedonian Slavs and Macedonian Greeks is also a good distinguisher.
Hello , great video. I have a question I'd like to find out. I never knew anything about my birth father. I'm in my 50s. A few years ago I did a DNA test I am very mixed. It says I am 3 types of Celtic n I'm wondering if It's possible to find out my actual Irish Tribe or the Irish name I'm connected to or came from? Thanks. I did sub too.
So, Iron Age North Macedonian population already contained 35% Balto-Slavic genes. No wonder then that Thracian vocabulary contains so many Balto-Slavic words. In fact, these facts corroborate Mario Alinei's hypothesis that Thracians were Balto-Slavic people. It seems that over millennia there were more migrations to the Balkans from what is now Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, aside from those from the early Middle Ages. It is so logical, isn't it? By the way, it would be preferable to also cite the sources you used for your claims.
THRACIANS EXISTED FOR AT LEAST SINCE 13,000 YEARS AGO BUT SLAVS APPEARED ON 7TH CENTURY AD, SO HOW CAN YOU BE SO IGNORANT AND SAY THAT SOMEHTING THAT PREEXIST 13000 YEARS IS "SLAVIC" THRACIANS ARE THE FIRST HELLENES, THE HELLENIC RELIGION THAT LATER ADOPTED BY THE REST OF HELLENES IS CREATED BY THRACIANS THE WORD THRACE ITSELF IS THE ROOT FOR THE WORLD RELIGION IN HELLENIC. ALL THRACIANS KINGS ARE HELLENES, ALL THRACIANS CITIES ARE IN HELLENIC NAMES, ALL THEATERS, EPIGRAPHS, TOMBS IN THRACE (THE REGION BETWEEN DANUBE AND AEGEAN SEA) IS HELELNIC, THE ISLAND OF SAMOTHRACE IS HELLENIC, NO ONE DOUBT ABOUT THAT, SAMOS IS ALSO HELLENIC, THE ISLAND OF PYTHAGORAS, SO THRACE IS THE CRADDLE OF HELLENIC CIVILIZATION EVERYTHING ELSE YOU WRITE HERE IS BULLSHIT AND WITH NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE BACKROUND OR SOURCE OR TEXTS FOR EXAMPLE DEMOKRITOS AND LEYKIPOS TWO OF THE GREATER SCIENTIESTS AND PHYSICISTS AND MATHEMATICIANS OF THE HUMANITY ARE THRACIANS 100% AND THEIR WORK ARE ALL IN HELLENIC. NO THRACIAN WROTE ANYTHING IN ANY SLAVIV LANGUAGE, NOT A SINGLE MONUMENT IN TRHACE IS IN SLAVIC LETTERS OR EVEN ONE WORD IN SLAVIC , ALL IS ONLY HELLENIC, SO ONLY AN IDIOT OR A PAID AGENT CAN SAY SO GROSS LIES PUBLICALLY
Northern Macedonians are Greeks since 3000 BC now continuously, how can you say such a gross lie? Northern and southern and central Macedonians all speak Greek @@MsSirAndy
Oh well, I see there are plenty of requests for videos for specific ppl, so can I add one here? Can you do one for the dodecanese as you mentioned them in a couple of videos that they are the closest part of Greece closer to ancient Greeks. (Please don't start with "the ppl of dodecanese are incredibly diverse" :D )
Very Hellenic. The first inhabitants in the Dodecanese history are said to be the Telchines and Iliads. Much later the Cares and Achaies arrived and according to Homer, they took part in the Trojan War. After the fall of Troy, the monarchy was no longer established and this brought many intermarriages with the Dorians.Those Greek islands are known since the Greek antiquity and no civilization has ever questioned their Greek origin. The Greeks inhabit the Dodecanese in the 14th century and up to this day, excavations have brought to light 18 settlements of Achaia on 8 islands of Dodecanese complex and other Mycenean findings of exceptional value.
@@agnimoraitidi1770 if by Hellenic you include the hellenized Greeks of the hellinistic & roman times, then I will agree. But I would be interested to see Ancestralbrew's opinion for this small region because half my heritage is from there.
I thought that everyone knows that the term "Macedonia", (a Greek word) is a geographical term for a region devided nowadays between former Yugoslavia, Greece and Bulgaria. I remember from my studies in linguistics (in the university of Kyoto, Japan) that the language of the ancient Macedonia was a northern Greek dialect. I' m not familiar with the modern language in that part of Macedonia (the part of the former Yugoslavian Democracy), but I' sure (looking the map) that in the biggest part that belongs to Greece, the language is Greek, and in the north-northeast part is the Bulgarian language.
Do not tell a lies to the world. Ethnic Macedonia is a territory where the modern Macedonians live/lived (not an Ancient) and devided between Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia. Serbs recognitted and returned back their part to Macedonians. Ancient Macedonia where Anc.Macedonians lived at what is known just an Aegean(Southern) Macedonia which is now under Greeks and one small southernmost part city Bitola (Heraclea) in Vardar (Northern) Macedonia that was under Yugoslavia and Serbia in the past. Ancient Macedonians were not Greeks for sure and do not spoke a greek dialect, but another Slavic dialect.
This migration fairytale pertains that: "a tribe," which was unrecorded before the 6th century, "appeared from behind the Carpathian Mountains" to become the largest ethno-linguistic group in Europe "replacing all the previous recorded populations." Slavic ethnic identity and its terminology were heavily politicized as they were used to support outdated 19th century territorial ambitions. Mmigration was from the south to north and not north to south. This fairy tale was invented by the West, especially the Germans. The Slavs were in the Balkans at the same time (but they was known under different names as Veneti), if not before Helen (with whom the new so-called Greeks have nothing to do)
Slavs came to the Balkans in the 6th to 7th cenurires AD Slav Macedonians are essentially a Bulgarian people.the Greeks though have been in the Balkans and Aegean since 10,000 BC
@@RU-Aussie no really, Bulgarians and their brethren the SlavoMacedonians are of SLavic Anthropological type but have some antic Proto-Bulgarian (Volgar Turkic /Tatar ancestry.
I would like to know about the Arabs in general, if possible, make a video about their origins and the Jews together, genetic studies claim that they are genetic brothers, but the Jews mixed a lot with Europeans, make a video about the Lebanese, many also say that they are Phoenicians mixed with Arabs and Greeks, is that really true?gained a subscriber❤😊😊
Since you are already on the subject of the Balkan regions, I assume that you are also preparing a video for today's Bulgarians. I can't wait ! Greets and keep working.
It will be the very same as this one :) As you see the genetic similarity with Bulgarians technically shows that Bulgarians and Macedonians are the same people...
@@nanculito Let's find out, can not be same in all areas for sure... If is then local people can not identify them self with name vulgars, coz that name is from far far away.
@bitolcanecc from where is the name and what it means? In ancient times, V was peonounsed B, so don't be shy, and you could clearly write BULGARIANS. Be proud to be their descendent. Nevertheless, now you are called North Macedonian :)
@bitolcanecc of course they do exist, there is a whole bulgarian country that still exists today, didn't you know? 😉 Go to the mirror, and you'll even see one pure Bulgarian 😀
Can you do a video about bulgarians ,based on the newest genetical analysises about the sarmatian/indo-iranian ancestry of modern bulgarians, please? I am a big fan of your videos, because genetics is something i am very interested in and you introduce it in a very good and easy way, so this topic can be accessible and understood by everyone!❤
Differences like what? This is pretty much what every Balkan nation's genetic composition looks like. Thracians / Dacians / Illyrians / Celts + Slavic tribes + Bulgar influence North of Danube, Moesia, Thrace and Northern parts of Macedonia (the geographical region, not the country).
Haplogroup I is the oldest major haplogroup in Europe and in all probability the only one that originated there, but haplogroups are split along the way and they go different directions. For example, the haplogroup I subclades of I2a that we find in north Europe, Sardinia, Spain and the ones that belong to South Slavs are different. So, while the other Haplogroups(E, J, G, R) found in the Balkans originated first outside of what is today Europe. Most of their subclades for example, from Haplogroup E which first developed around N. Africa, its subclade EV-13 developed between Central and East Europe.
@@jbstarkiller4626 My point is that the main haplogroup like we're talking about 'I' in this case, does not qualify one's ancestry, cause along the way the haplogroup is mixed and subclades are created in different places where they've been isolated, that's why Sardinian, Scandinavian and Slavic people are different ancestry, even though they fall under the main I haplogroup. Otherwise, we all fall under the main A=Adam haplogroup, whish all these other haplogroups came out from. At least this is what we have so far with scientific genetic studies.
@@jbstarkiller4626 You were asking the question about the "European DNA", so I showed the difference why and how that happened. Not to mention, when DNA's split and were created there was no Europe or any other continent names. We just name them with the names that existed later on and now.
So other than Bulgaria which is normal due to massive migration post balkan wars, Macedonians generally cluster closest to other Macedonians such as the ones in the greek part of the region despite heavy greek settlement post 1920's skewing the results.
Waiting for the central African version of this... As the earliest person said to have existed theoretically came from the Congo and most of slaves exported also came from that same region... But most DNA test don't separate the region at all. They treat all of central Africa as one people. And all of West Africa as another.
No idea, there is probably a term for that ethnic group. Sometimes people over here only pay attention to the mother tongue when assigning ethnicity, so you could just say Turkish and people would accept that. It's basically what happened with Attaturk. He was 75% Macedonian but history remembers him as a Turk and there is nothing wrong with that.
@@zesky6654 It was actually an irony that I tried to make. Other than that, I share similar opinion as you about the topic. It mostly comes to how one identifies oneself.
What to you mean greek or Balkan, Greeks are also Balkan. And no ancient thrace wasn't Greeks thracians was another paleobalkan nation like Greece illyria Dacia
Thracians in Bronze Age and ancient times were many many tribes with no connection between them in a big or very big geographical area. Many Thracian tribes became "officially" Greeks in the Hellenistic era before 2400 years and later. Before that era most of them were also Greeks or very close to other Greeks but just were not so "civilized"
Bro Northern Greeks has more R1a than macedonians .My parents are curly i belong to R1a haplogroup mother has neolitics all curly hairs autosomal the same as northern greeks
@@dzalissimomk2381 700 000 българи от Македония са емигрирали в България. Това е интелектуалният елит прогонен от сръбските фашистки окупатори и след 1945 г. от родопредателите Лазар Кулишев, Михаил Апостолов, и др.какво остава от един народ след като прогониш неговия патриотичен елит
Like Bulgarians are Slavic, surprise, surprise. You're North Macedonians like it was said here...that was the meaning of that statement about how related you are.
Will the result shut you up when they proclaim a vaaaaaaaaast difference between Bulgarians on the one side and Tatars and Mongols on the other? Or the warring Serbo-Macedonism invented by the Moscow Comintern will overshadow your normal way of thinking? If Macedonian DNA align closely with the Bulgarian one (as this clip says) and if (hypothetically speaking/writing) the Bulgarian DNA matches closely the Tatar and Mongol ones, then Macedonians are also Tatars/Mongols, right?! Will you admit such a result then???
Also @2:24 does that mean that modern day italians are the closest genetically to those ancient populations that were on the balkans? How come? Could that be due/related to the roman empire influnce on this region? Were the etruscans from similar background to that of thracians, illyrians and peonians? I've heard also that roman empire's troops,soldier were excatly coming from those same ancient tribes in the balkans.. maybe that could explain the genetic similarities to an extent with today italians?
The closest modern population to a bronze age greek population are the Greeks from Deep mani. Italians mainly from the south (not the north) may plot close to bronze age Greek samples because modern Greeks on average have this extra slavic admixture which makes them have more hunter gatherer ancestry than southern Italians. Thus modern Greeks in general plot closer to Proto-Greeks (Logkas proto Greek sample) than the mycenean samples with very low to non Y-DNA from Indoeuropeans.
HLA alleles have been determined in individuals from the Republic of Macedonia by DNA typing and sequencing. HLA-A, -B, -DR, -DQ allele frequencies and extended haplotypes have been for the first time determined and the results compared to those of other Mediterraneans, particularly with their neighbouring Greeks. Genetic distances, neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analysis have been performed. The following conclusions have been reached: 1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum, like Iberians (including Basques), North Africans, Italians, French, Cretans, Jews, Lebanese, Turks (Anatolians), Armenians and Iranians, 2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum, 3) Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups. Both Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305, *0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310. Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbour joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The time period when these relationships might have occurred was ancient but uncertain and might be related to the displacement of Egyptian-Ethiopian people living in pharaonic Egypt.
@@Stampaxd only islander greeks and south Italians are close to mycenyans (is 0.04 is not to close but is the closest) because islander Greeks are Minoans and Minoans they was close to mycenyans genetically with some difference. Mainland Greeks for example are dorians (1 of the 4 greek races), that why mainland Greeks aren't close to mycenyans, because we are dorians
If the Macedonians and the Greeks were the same people, then there was no need for Alexander the Great to call himself King of the Macedonians and the Greeks, but just King of the Greeks. In his five-century old book Mauro Orbini says that because the Macedonians have their own language, which didn’t just fall from the sky, it is clear that they have always spoken the same language. If that was true in 1525, when the book was written, then it is very probable that Alexander and Samoil spoke the same language. According to Orbini, Alexander, Samoil and Saint Clement would have no problem understanding each other in their mother tongue in 1525.
Thats exactly what Philip and his son Alexander did, Philip of Macedon declared himself a blue blooded Greek. In fact the ancient Macedonians proudly and forcefully declared thmselves as Greeks. Secondly the ancient Macedonians, being Greeks of course, had, after Greece was conquered by Rome, self identified, like the rest of the Greeks as Romaoi (Romans). I assume Orbini when referring to the Macedonians was referring to the Bulgarians population of Macedonia.
@@ivanmilanov8386 In Vladivostok people are speaking almost identical, with only a slightest degree of an accent that would be often hard to notice even for Russian-speaking people. I can hardly think about one reason to consider the language people speak in Vladivostok different from the language spoken in other parts of Russia. So my answer is not such a distant dialect, but as much as the Macedonian language is different from Russian.
@@meRussian-wy8pk They are both slavic and slavic languages are very similar because they formed in the same cultural sphere. Did ancient macedonians gave their language to the slavic tribes that migrated to the Balkans, Central and Eastern Europe?
Wow closest to Bulgarians geneticaly. I toght Macedonians had nothing in common with Bulgarians whatsoever. Weren't Bulgarians Mongol- Tatars, or am i wrong? Also, the language seems simmilar, like a dialect or something. Doesn't that make the Macedonians tatars, or the Bulgarians proto balkan, instead of Mongols or something? Im really confused now. Greetings to eastern european and balkan brothers and sisters!
Fun Fact: Many Slavic ethnicities don’t carry Slavic names. The name Russian is Germanic, Macedonian is Hellenic, also Cossack and Bulgarian are both Turkic.
@@IEthereaI Standard Macedonian was codified in 1945 and has developed modern literature since. Prior to 1945 in many Bulgarian and international sources before the World War II, the South Slavic dialect continuum covering the area of today's North Macedonia and Northern Greece was referred to as a group of Bulgarian dialects.
You are like mosqitos everything is proved i gonna make video about helenized slav speaker in Northern Greece helenized people haplogroups maps .Most smart knows the truth northern greeks ,gagauz ,modern bulgars occupaited pirin region in modern Bulgaria autosomal related .
Yes, exactly, everything is proved. North Macedonians have absolutely no connection to Alexander the Great be it historically, geographically, culturally, genetically, linguistically or in any other sense. Until 100 years ago, all the Slavic population of the region of Macedonia were either Bulgarians or Serbs, as Macedonian nationality or ethnicity didn't exist. That's what historians agree on worldwide. Everyone knows it. You know it too.
Bro just add not all R1a came with slavics R1a z93 1600 bc was found in bulgaria ,mine is R1a m198 they find sample of r1a m459 7000 years old in bulgaria .Northern Greeks share higher levels of R1a ratio is 18.5 percent while in macedonia is 13 percent
@@Makedonce1989. Jasam od pleme Thaçi Kolesjan to su J2b L283 Z1296 Z1297 ali su podeli na dve druge liniji jedna Y21878 Cts11100 i druga Z631 Z1043 Y22894 a koja druga liniju sam ne znam
@@Makedonce1989. R1a z93 sto je anticki balkasko ima po vise na istocni Ballkan dali si od Istoncna Makedonija Stip Probistib Kratovo Kocani Dojran Strumica Gevgelija
"Some observers argue that even at this time (end of WW2) it was doubtful whether the Slavs of Macedonia considered themselves to be a nationality separate from Bulgarians". (Palmer and King 1971:199-200) “...the feeling of being Macedonians, and nothing but Macedonians, seems to be a sentiment of fairly recent growth, and even today is not very deeply rooted”(Barker 1950:10)
THere is a very widespread theory that the Romans were descended of the thracians. This is corroborated by the original roman myths that they were descended of the Trojans, who were themselves essentially thracians. The macedons were most likely indigenous thracian/pelasgian stock. So your conclusion is not that surprising.
There is no such thing as north macedonians. Just macedonians. This is a crucial part of the agreement which sought to change the country's name. The agreement is that while the country is named north macedonia the ethnic group remains macedonians. Just fyi, cuz calling these people north macedonians is extremely offensive, used by neighbouring nationalists mostly to discredit them as being the black sheep of the balkans.
Bulgaria’s population has been shrinking for the past 30 years. By 2050 the population will probably be below 4 million. The Roma minority will became majority significantly larger from Bulgarians . The Turkish minority will also be larger.
The most recent statistics (2024) still put Bulgaria as the number one Balkan country, with the greatest declining population rate (with a figure of over 20%). In fact, it is ahead, overall, and even beating Ukraine which is in the middle of a war. It’s easy to find. Look it up yourself on World Population Review -Countries with declining population 2024.
40% Slavic??????? Since when???? Slavic Nations are associated with R1a haplogroup...there is way less than 40% R1a, and some part of it came with the paleobalcan indoeuropean...the inhabitants of North Macedonia predominantly descend from the paeoneans and the dardanians if they are albanians. ....their closest " relative " is the Bulgarians who also are predominantly thracian and not slavic Paeoneans and thracians had a part of indoeuropean dna brought by the paleobalcan indoeuropeans but the majority of their DNA was non indoeuropean.....
Actually at 2:58 the first 3 or even 4 groups are all Bulgarians as well as Macedonians, so thanks for this video because it proves something we've been arguing about in the Balkans for a very long time, unfortunately. It is always sad to see a blood brother hate and deny his ancestry this way as Macedonian do….
@@nanculitoi agree we share similarity alot mine line R1a haplogroup from northern greece they were macedonians but later helenized into greeks .I dont hate bulgarians or northern greeks geneticaly we are all so close and but you must accept the fact we speak macedonian not bulgarian language peace to all
@@Makedonce1989. To me personaly, you have already spoken a separate language, after the reform in 1945, but our ancestors spoke the same language, and that language had dialectal forms, like any language on earth. However, I respect your opinion. When there are more people in North Macedonia, like you, between two countries with different views, a normal and cultural dialogue can be held, and in some time, I am sure, we will find our common pont of view.
Do nationalists ever watch stuff correctly? It's clearly shown that Macedonians, just like other nations, are diverse. Yet they carry majority of Paleo-Balkanic pre-slavic genetic links. Also, Macedonians are genetically closer to Greeks, Albanians and Serbs. Most modern research shows that, regardless of what's shown in the video above. So bulgarian and greek nationalists, suck it up and cry yourselves a river in the corner.
Did you watch even the video? @2.55 clearly shows north macedonians are closest to bulgarians.. what are you on.? Show one study which suggest average bulgarians are not closest match to them
@@user-ls9lg7vb8o You can literally search for such research on Google. There are a couple of them. This is the first time I see such thing in this video, however not every research is completely the same, it varies.
@@user-ls9lg7vb8o _"macedonians are closest to bulgarians..."_ That's because a large part of Bulgaria now contains Pirin within it's borders. Pirin was formerly part of Macedonia before it was annexed to Bulgaria after the 12912/1913 Balkan wars and the people residing there were the brothers of the majority of the people in the rest of Macedonia (including the part which is now within Greek borders). Much of the population has been Bulgarised now (just like the Macedonians of present-day Northern Greece have been largely hellenised) but many still retain their Macedonian identity. Also, large numbers of Macedonians studied or worked in other parts of Bulgaria prior to the Balkan wars and remained there , their descendants now identify as Bulgarians - a phenomenon common to all nations as ALL nations are social constructs. Bulgaria has a much larger Eastern Europe and West Asian genetic component than Macedonia, reflecting the large non-"Slavic" population (which has now become "Bulgarian.") Interestingly, a Bulgarian DNA study revealed that after the Macedonians, Greeks are the closest genetic cousins to the Bulgarians (and even closer to the Macedonians) so I don't know what the fuss is about. btw, you have used incorrect terminology. According to the "agreement", there are no such people as "north Macedonians." There are only Macedonians.
@@mellake7052 i am not sure about the Pirin region i think it has been part of the bulgarian borders for hundreds of years back you could check some old maps and see that. More likely is that bulgarians lived there even up to the ohrid lake . If you check ottoman archives most of the people living there were registered as bulgarians .. also bulgarians are matching only with the northern part of greece. We carry the genes of the same tribes which were inhabiting those lands being mostly slavs thracians celts pelasgians proto bulgars scythians pechenegs etc. Bulgarians score more balkan than slavic on average, west asian(anatoly) central asian component almost non existent under 1%
Did you not watch the video? The ethnic group most closely related to ancient people are Italians. North Macedonians are most closely related to Bulgarians, then Gaugaz, then Greek and Albanian. 45% of your genome is Slavic….
@@Billy-jn6te you did not watch video. Everyone in south Balkan has paleo Balkan DNA. Italians have most, then followed by Greeks and Albanians. We have Slavic admixture. Modern population you’re related to are Bulgarians. He literally says it in video
Thank you for the video. Vardaskha citizens cannot accept the obvious: Ancient Macedonia was Greek in DNA, culture, language, self definition. The Great Alexander spoke Greek, his whole family has Greek names, all the ancient macadonians artifacts are in Greek... He spread the Greek culture all over to India. Modern "North Macedonia" has a history of about 10 years. The try with cheap statues and empty museums to convince themselves that are related to the glorious Greeks of the past. Sorry, but so obvious history facts cannot be rewritten.
No such thing as a North Macedonian, only Macedonian. You can find the same people living over the borders in Albania, Bulgaria and Greece who have experienced degrees of national and cultural repression. Your DNA presentation applies to those populations as well. My maternal grandmother is from the Macedonian areas of Albania. My mother in turn has relatives over the border in Greece. One of the clans in my father's village hailed all the way from the Pirin region of Macedonia now in Bulgaria. One Macedonian, one Macedonia, neither Albanian, Bulgarian, Greek or Serbian.
No, you are not correct, the modern country called Repblic of North Macedonia was NEVER Macedonia. It was Paeonia. The Real Original ancient Macedonia ios in northern Greece.
So in short, the newly founded country that was once the Vardar part of Yugoslavia is made up predominately of Bulgarian and Slavic people who migrated into the region, with some admixture from the original paleo Balkan peoples, and although politically they have adopted a Hellenic name, genetically and historically are not linked to the Ancient Macedonians of Hellas. Thanks for the clarity.
You did not watch the video? 90% of North Macedonia genome is the same as Central Macedonian Greeks, genetically they are the same people, Macedonians from North Macedonia adopted Slavic language but that does not change the fact that from Skopje to Thessaloniki genetically the people are the same.
He affirmed the population is Slavic closely related to the Bulgarians which we knew. He also said that there are some admixtures which we also know since the communists of Greece fled there along with the forty-eight thousand children they kidnapped. What he also made clear is that this Slavic population which is closest in DNA to Bulgarians, does not have connections to the ancient Macedonians who were Greeks making the recent adoption and use of the Greek name to describe these people living on non-ancient Macedonian land, nothing more than a political agenda.
@@RealBonnieBlue Macedonia was fully Macedonian 🇲🇰 before 1913 when with the Bucharest treaty she was partioned in 3 parts by Serbia, grece and bulagaria! Only the part that Serbia took became our country because they were in war with bosnia and croatia and couldn't bother with us too... so we got out without bloodshed. But in the Pirin Macedonian part the Macedonians still live under bulgar tyranny, same with the Aegean Macedonian part under grek evils and occupation 🇲🇰☦️👑🦁💔
@@IEthereaI There was no ‘Macedonia’ as a country to be ‘wrongfully’ divided. The Bucharest Treaty does not mention any "Macedonians" either because they were mainly Bulgarians and Serbians then. The territory of the real historical Macedonia in Greece was liberated from the Ottomans and then the Greeks defended it from the Bulgarians who wanted access to the Aegean sea. This is you. You have been brainwashed. Go educte yourself
My great great greandma is from North Macedonia, we're Jews. I did my DNA test but there was no Macedonian DNA, I do have 30% south Italy. Waiting for a DNA kit from a different company to arrive, hopefully it'll share some more light about it and expand my knowledge about my ancestry
What that means is that your ancestors came from the northern Greek region of Greece. Macedonia in northern Greece had a large Jewish community and who originally came from Spain. Many Greeks ended up in the Republic of North Macedonia after the Greek civil war. Jews were living in Greece since they were expelled from Spain by Ferdinand and Isabella and they came and settled in Greece.
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 The "greeks" who ended up in North Macedonia weren't ethnically greek. They were macedonian and aromanian. That's the whole reason they were forced to leave.
@@zesky6654 What do you mean by "Macedonian"?? Are you referring to "Slav Macedonians" (i.e Bulgarish slavs of Macedonia) or "Hellenic Macedonians" Greeks)
@@zesky6654 Jews have been present in Macedonia (the whole geographic region) since early Roman times. In North Macedonia they settled around Stobi, present day Bitola and have had a continuous presence since then. The ancient synagogue in Stobi is to this day the oldest recorded synagogue outside of Israel. Nothing remains of it sadly. During WW2 55k Jews were captured by the Bulgarians, only a small number survived. Today there are about 200 Jews remaining ... As for the Roman connection, its not unusual even to this day to hear people (usually very old people 90 years and above) referring to themselves as Romejci, which translates to Romans. I dont find that surprising since this territory has been under Roman rule for over a thousand years and Im guessing lots of Romans settled here.
DNA results from te Forensics Medicines Institute of Skopje. Republic of North Macedonia. SKOPJE - A six-year long DNA research of the Balkan peoples conducted by Skopje Forensics Medicine Institute has showed remarkable resemblance among them. *_"The analysis of the data has showed that residents of Macedonia have the most similar DNA with Bulgarians and Serbs, Croats with Bosnian and Serbian population while Kosovo Albanians have the fewest similarities with the others,”_* says Forensics Medicine Institute’s Dr Zlatko Jakovski.
Yes, but well over 1,000,000 Macedonians live in Bulgaria, mostly in Pirin which was annexed to Bulgaria in 1913 due to the Balkan Wars, so naturally there is a strong genetic connection, duh - though we know that genetics do not determine ethnicity. Interestingly, Greece was the ONLY Balkan country which refused to participate in this Balkan-wide study. Possibly they were afraid that the results would reveal that Greeks are also genetically linked to Bulgarians as shown in a different study. Also interesting is the fact that study after study reveals that the Greek population's closely genetic cousins are all their neighbours in every direction - the Albanians Macedonians, Bulgarians and Turks - which is the natural order of thing for every country. Also interesting, is that Greeks nationalists (indeed Greek policy) deny all this for some strange reason. (Well, perhaps not all that strange, when politicians write history).
Depends which modern Macedonians you are referring to?? 1) Are you referring to Slav Macedonians (people of Bulgarian origin) who are Bulgarians who renamed themselves "macedonians" in the 19th century in a regional sense who live in the Republic of North Macedonia, and are obviously NOT related to the ancient Macedonians? 2) Or are you referring to the Hellenic Macedonians (Greeks) from ancient Macedonia in northern Greece. who are, like the ancient Macedonians, Hellenes. 3) No DNA has ever been recovered from the 1000 or so ancient Macedonian graves in northern Greece, therefore there is no such thing as "ancient Macedonian" DNA on record.
Well, it's certainly not referring to the Christians Albanians (the majority of the population of Greece when it was created by Western powers - 1832) and the rest of the population of Morea (renamed Greece) which was predominately Vlach, Slavic. Roma and Turkish. Nor to the 1,600,000 Christian refugees, (mostly Turks, Armenians, Laz, Georgians, etc) resettled in Greece in 1922/23 and called 'turkosporos' by the local Greeks until they decided in the past generation or so that they are now the new Macedonians.
The last 2000 years North Macedonia was a small region within the Roman Empire, the Eastern Roman Empire, the First and Second Bulgarian Tsardom, the Ottoman Empire, Kingdom of Serbia and Yugoslavia. Look up the ancient maps and you will see what I mean.
Who are this North Macedonias ? I've never heard of them??? Maybe because they don't exist...hmmmmm I've heard of Macedonians if you were referring to them.
“We are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia! Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century AD.” (Kiro Gligorov, Toronto Star, March 15, 1992)
The answer to the question in this video is of course a BIG NO!!!. Modern so-called "Macedonians" of the Republic of North Macedonia are essentially Bulgarians who started calling themselves "Macedonians" in a Regional/political sense in the 19th century about 120 years ago.. There is NO CONNECTION with the ancient Greek Tribe of Macedonians of Alexander the Great from ancient Macedonia in northern Greece. Secondly ancient Macedonians disappeared during Roman times, many had settled in the cities Alexander had founded from Asia Minor to Afghanistan and India, and in Alexandria in Egypt. Those few Macedonian Greeks that remained in Greece just assimilated with their fellow Greeks.
These Ex Yugoslav Bulgar Tatar Slav Gypsy Hybrids from Vardaska decided they would like to steal the GREEK name Macedonia in the 1990's . Communist Jewish Dictator TITO invented them in the 1950's
@@mickeymouse1697 sure buddy ok, the balkan region had over 3 million estimated population before the great migrations, where do you think that population went? Mars?
I'm Macedonian, I can tell u for a fact. I'm full Macedonian that's it, how can u take someone seriously that's not Macedonian tell u about our history .. Wouldn't u like to know from the people that r from Macedonia, to tell u about us.. makes sense, u gona make up stories about God aswell and say his from another dimension or reality.. Madness , stick to knowing yourself first before u comment about other's..
It actually is. Macedonia is a geographical region. North Macedonia is a country. There can be Macedonians of different nationalities - Bulgarian, Greek, North Macedonian. That's why one needs to specify.
@@sndmurderer FOR ALL MACEDONIANS MACEDONIA IS A COUNTRY WITH SEVERAL PARTS OCUPIED FROM ITS NEIBOURGHS ONLY ONE PART IS FREE AND IT WHERE WE MACEDONIANS CAN LIVE FREE OUR MACEDONIA
there is no such thing as n word macedonians,we are Macedonians and speak a Macedonian language even with the illegal "agreement" it states that but nice try racist
Visit the real Macedonia in Greece and find out the historical truth first hand. Numerous of archaeological sites and museums are available to reveal the greatness of the Macedonian antiquity. Taste the authentic Macedonian cuisine and wine. Feel the breeze of the Aegean. Try the real thing!
The "Modern north Macedonians" they migrated to the area of the Balkan 6 B.C, Alexander however died 900 years before… so how can the "modern north Macedonians" ( that for me and for a lot of people is more Bulgarians ) are related to the real Greek macedonia…. IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE ! Macedonia was Greece, it is very well stablished, it is historical truth …simple as that. So they are not the descendants of Alexander the Great, they are Slavs !
Can you quote or show in the original some document before the 19th century that the Slavs came to the Balkans in the 6th century. That fairy tale is no longer represented by any serious historian. This thesis was invented by the Germans in the 19th century. Since they were never a colonial power, they invented this as if they were natives in Europe and the Slavs were settlers. That is why they put the Bavarian Otto as the Greek king and invented "Hellenism" to establish a link with the ancient Hellenes. What an unparalleled precedent. Those who understood understood, and those who didn't should believe in fairy tales.
@@evanpirpiris2395Sorry my friend but there is not a single record in original on google to find before the 19th century that "some tribe of Slavs" for whom there are no records until the 6th century suddenly "migrates" to the south of Europe and becomes the dominant ethnic and cultural "group" in Europe
@@evanpirpiris2395 A clip from Tucker Carlson's interview with Russian President Putin can provide a better "picture" of history and politics. To the question "Why don't you go public with facts like what you say that Nord Stream sabotaged the USA and that the West is lying to its citizens about the reasons for the special military operation in Ukraine" was followed by the answer "It is difficult to 'fight' against Western propaganda. That's how the West, including the Vatican, has been falsifying history for centuries. Ask yourself now and that.:Why in the 21st century are the fraternal nations Russians and Ukrainians at war and not the British and the French, for example.
@@HeroManNick132 Error in steps as always. You Tatars shot yourself in the foot a long time ago when you accepted that Asparuh and those 20,000 Tatars were your ancestors. And it is an undeniable fact that you evolved from Tatars into Slavic Tatars because you accepted their language. That's how you turn the whole historical picture upside down because it's in your Asian blood. i To claim that the Slavs speak some Bulgarian dialect is the height of world stupidity. So if "we are Tatars" like you, from whom did you take the language.
N.Y.T....The center of Skopje, the capital of North Macedonia, a Balkan country born just 33 years ago as an independent state, is awash in history. A statue of Alexander the Great looms over the central square. One of his father, Philip II of Macedon, towers above a nearby piazza atop an oversize pedestal. The city is also littered with tributes in bronze, stone and plaster to generations of other heroes from what the country sees as its glorious and very long history.very long history. The problem, though, is that most of the history on display is claimed by other countries. Present-day North Macedonia, birthed by the breakup of Yugoslavia in the 1990s, has no real connection to Alexander the Great, who lived 2,000 years ago down the road in what is now Greece, and many of the other historical figures honored with statues are Bulgarian.⁶Slavica Babamova, the director of the national archaeological museum, has spent her career digging up and displaying ancient artifacts and has no problem focusing on the past. But she said she was unsettled by the plethora of statues, erected by her country in an effort to build a state and national identity.identity. “We have such a rich history of our own - and so many things to say. But I don’t see any need to push all this overdone marketing,” she said, gesturing toward the Alexander the Great statue during an interview. More important for North Macedonia and indisputably part of its history, she added, are the golden funeral mask and other stunning artifacts that predate Alexander and were found in an ancient necropolis near the village of Trebenishte in North Macedonia.
MACEDONIANS WERE HERE FROM ALL TIMES “The Kingdom of the Slavs” by the Italian historian Mauro Orbini. “Macedonians are Slavs”. According to Mauro Orbini and all the others he quotes, on the territory of Macedonia, Macedonians are Slavs and the Slavs are Macedonians, this means that Orbini leaves a mark of unity between the Macedonians and Slavs. Author Jeremiah Ruso in the Chronicles of the Moscowians clearly says that the Russians, meaning Moscowians had the same language like the ancient Macedonians. This means that other authors spoke about similarities between ancient Macedonian and Slavic language as well. This approves the theory that on these Macedonian spaces and wider, the Slaves didn’t come from anywhere, but they had always been here, they just used different names and that in that „Slavic sea“ of VI and VII century, according to some sources, from the Karpaties the last waves of Slavs in Macedonia came and united with natives
Yes in the 15th century, Bulgarian Slavs had already been settled in the northern regions of Macedonia since the 7th century AD, thus Macedonia became part of the Bulgarian Empire, the Romanised Greeks of Macedonia (Romaoi) were pushed southwards. So Oribini was correct, he was referring to the Bulgariansof Macedonia. There is absolutely NO CONNECTION with the ancient Greek tribe of Macedonians - the people of Alexander the Great.
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 No, he was referring to the Proto Slavs who have always been in the Balkans, The only migrations were when some Slavs moved southwards to Morea (today's Greece). And by your obsessive rantings, there is absolutely NO CONNECTION between the modern Greeks (often referred to as Bavarian Greeks by historians) who are the descendants of the Albanians, Slavs, Vlachs, Roma, Jews, Turks and many others, not with the ancient Macedonian tribes, nor even with the ancient Greek tribes.
@@mellake7052 Proto-slavs came to the Balkans in the 6th century AD. Genetiic studies concerning proto-slavic genetic origins using a population-of-origin approach trace proto-slav populations back to the lands of tyepresent day Ukraine, thus supporting the hypothesis that places the homeland of the proto-slavs in the basin of the middle Dnieper in the Ukraine circa the middle of the first millenium AD And as E. Borza states, *_"Modern slavs, both Bulgaria and Macedonian CANNOT establish a link with antiquity as the slavs entere the Balkans centurie AFTER the demise of the ancient Macedonian Kingdom"_* Its already proven by Genetics that modern Greeks cluster genetically with several Italian populationsreflecting a common ancient Greco-Roman or Balkan-Italian heritage predating slavs. Greeks are also already proven to be 61% descendants of ancient Mycenaeans and 14% descendants of the later steppe proto-Greeks who migrated south from the proto-Greek area of north wesern Greece as Dorians arouind 1100 BC. Of course there are minorities in Greece of Slavs (Wallachians, Bulgarians (Pomaks, slavo-makedonskis)), Jews, Roma and Turks. Turks number aboiut 98,000
Interesting comment. What is your view on the DNA results of many North Macedonians having substantial Greek DNA? Is this a claim to the ancient people of the balkans or Greeks which were slavinised by the Bulgarian or Serbian empires?@@rafaellagaribaldi9391
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 The ridiculous Slavic migration theory, formulated in the 19th century for geopolitical reasons, has been debunked. The comparatively recent analysis of the Cretan Linear A tablet proves that "Slavs" were amongst the earliest inhabitants. Certainly, Greeks were not. I have given plenty of evidence on your Crete post - too long to post again. So your claims and your selected outdated quotation are false. And modern Greeks are proven to be 80% plus genetically connected to Albanians and Macedonians, their two closest neighbours.
Yet again our history proves that we got connection to ancient macedonia.Our history teaches that the slavs, anient macedonians and balkan people have mixed and become what we are today. We might not have ancient macedonian tradition nor speaking the language, but we got the most important thing which is the DNA.
DNA of what? Even the ancient samples from Paeonia (modern northern macedonia) plot closer to modern Greeks, not you. There is no cure for you, there is no cure for stupidity.
@@laryq6657 Ancient greek authors described macedonians as a barbaric people and a non hellenic people who under no curcumstainces shoud be allowed in the olympics. Just as how the bulgarian tatars adopted the slavic language so did the native macedonians. Also, have you ever wondered where did the majority macedonian population in aegean macedonia just dissapear after world war one? Need i remind you of the macedonian genocide and the war crimes of metaksis? Greek people never formed a majority in that area.
Its the opposite. Culture is way more important for indetity not DNA. Us South slavs whatever the admixture are slavs. This research is only good to see why are we so differrent than other Slavs. We look different and other things.
@gangsteroldguy3965 There is no such a thing as a macedonian genocide and only Athenian writers had prejudices against the Macedonians for political reasons, Hesiod one of the earliest writers of Europe includes ancient Macedonians as Hellenic people. Enough with this hideous propaganda of yours, its disgusting and creepy, you guys are maniacs.
If today someone tries the imaginary route by foot with all 21st century blessings might die middle passage. That someone could come in the 6th century here with all the wars happening its funny.
So far what I know,Alexander The Great was KIng of Macedonia and Conquerer of "City Sates",so called Greece today ... He always give a speach to his soldiers in own "Macedonian" tonge,which is different than greek ... All Slavs from the Balknas are from Ancient natives of the Balkans (Illiryan) people,wrongly or maybe on purpose,called Southern Slavs just beacuse of simillar language to Slavic people of the North.Some of those Northern Slavs have Legends about forfathers that came from the Balkans(Poles,Chechs etc.) ... Rus or Russian in Macedonian literarly mean "Blonde/pale" ... So,anyway,if you talking about Bulgarians or Bulgars/Vulgars,that's Turkic people by origin and name is Turkic,like Bulgar Tatar.Modern days Bulgarians are from Trachian people and language is Trakian very simillar to Modern Macedonian ... I'm Bosniak from Bosnia and My DNA is partially Germanic and partially from them "Macedonians",not a greeks,right @@rafaellagaribaldi9391
@@Bosniak803 Alexander gave his speeches to his own troops in the Macedonian dialect. The Macedonian language was an unrefined dialect of very early Greek called proto-Greek. The Slavs of the Balkans actually can trace their lineage back to the Ukraine where the slavic speaking people originated. Northern slavs like Russians and are Slavic but they mixed with Scandinavians (e.g Swedes). The word Russian originates from the swedish Vikings alled the Rus with whom the Slavs mixed. The Bulgarians are slavs. The slavs of the Balkans absorbed the Turkic Bulgars from the Volga. The Turkic Bulgars adopted the SLavic language but gave their name to the Slavic Balkan people who we now know as Bulgarians. Slavic Macedonians of the Republic of North Macedonia are Bulgarians that settled in the regio of Macedonia. Modern Macedonian language is essentially a dialect of Bulgarian. Everyone in Europe is partly Germanic (North European). Greeks for example are 54% Germanic and the rest Mediterranean. Germans are72% Germanic and the rest Mediterranean.
Many people dont realize it but the real ancient maccedonians were the original Indo European hellens/Greeks. They introduce the Indo European language, religion towards natives in Balkan (neolithic Anatolians farmers and Mediterranean Pelasgians) this peoples soon created the Myceneans civilization in bronze age wich they adopted many Indo European culture and religious practices. Then they got conquered also by the Maccedonians dorians wich results in bronze age collapse Dorians - Indo European Greeks Aeolians - Pelasgians Mediterranean greeks Ionians - neolithic Anatolians greeks
@@jimjim3474 sure there is no pure race, but there called dominant or majority in every Group of people.. and Maccedonians were R1a Indo European by majority
"North Macedonians align most closely with Bulgarians' - what a surprice. Open any population map from just 100 years ago and you will be even more surprised - no existance of any Macedonians noted. Hmmn. Curiously why?
Аз съм Татарче казвам се Нико Иванов Педало Аз съм Татарче и монголка майка мене е родила; с хубости, блага обилна мойта родина е мила. Аз съм Татарче. Обичам наште планини зелени, Татарин да се наричам - първа радост е за мене. Аз съм Татарче свободно, в край свободен Дупница аз живея, всичко Татарско и родно любя, тача и милея. Аз съм Татарче и расна в дни велики, в славно време, син съм на земя прекрасна, син съм на монголско племе. Това е в дневника на един Монголски Българин...Нико Иванов Педало
Ти си северномакедонско Турко-Албанче! Ти си северномакедонско Турко-Албанче и османска майка тебе е родила; с хубости, блага обилна твоята родина Анадолија е мила. Ти си северномакедонско Турко-Албанче. Обичаш Анадолските планини зелени, Турко-Албанче от Северна Македонија да се наричаш - първа радост е за тебе. Ти си северномакедонско Турко-Албанче свободно, в край Османски свободен ти живеш, всичко Турко-Албанско любиш, тачиш и милееш. Ти си Турко-Албанче и раснеш в дни велики, в славно време, син си на земя Анадолска, син си на Турко-Албанско племе.
I came here from your tik tok handsome guy, but just know that you're not right Macedonia was made to change to north in 2019 but the people are Macedonians, language is Macedonian and any other thing with adjective Macedonian. Look it up 😙
@IEthereal That's correct. Although the country has been blackmailed into adding the descriptor "North" to its name (since its has been separated from the south which was annexed to Greece after the 1912/1913 Balkan wars), the so-called "agreement" stipulates that the people are still to be called Macedonians (not "North" Macedonians) and their language is still to be called the Macedonian language.
Well the modern country called Republic of North Macedonia is rather mixed. 52% or a SLavic fok related to Bulgarians, 29% are Albanians, 10% are Serbs the rest are Turks and Roma (Gypsies). The region of Republic of North Macedonia is what was originally ancient Paeonia. The ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia of Alexander the Great is in northern Greece, and the ancient Macedonians were of Greek stock and proto-Greek speakers. DNAof the slavic speaking folk of the Republic of North Macedonia reveals that it is the same as Bulgarian with some Serbian.
Well, the modern country of "Greece" is rather mixed. Almost half are descended from the Christian Albanians (Arvanites) who lived there for centuries, and a large Slavic presence in the Peloponnese (and some islands) who "over-ran" the place, (the 'Slavs' in the north, which only recently has been part of Greece due to the spoils of war, have been there for millennia) as well as the Turks, Jews, Vlachs, Roma, Arabs and North Africans who have populated the place for centuries (not to be confused with recent arrivals.) Then, of course, we have those other recent arrivals - the 1,600,000 multi-ethnic, multi-lingual Asia Minor refugees, most of whom were settled in Northern Greece (formerly the southern part of Macedonia). Alexander the Great was a Macedonian, not a Greek and has never been referred to as a Greek in any ancient source. The DNA of the folk of the former Morea - today's Greece, reveals that it is the same as Albanians, Kosovars, Macedonians, Bulgarians and Turks, and to a slightly lesser extent to the Asians of Asia Minor, the North Africans and the Middle Easterners.
@@mellake7052 Firstly Arvanites were a not Albanians. We know this because the Geographer Alfred Philippson mentions that Arvanites had names and especially adjectives that are almost exclusively Greek. Although the Arvanites spoke a dialect of Albanian their language and especially that of the Souliotes was full o Greek words, the Albanians had started mixing with the local Greeks within two generations from the time they arrived in Greece in the 14th century. The Geographer Alfred Philippson estimated the number of Arvanites in the whole of Greece in 1890 to be 10%. H.P. Korylos estimated the Arvanites in the Peloponnese at about 7% The "Handbook of Greece 1918, Naval staff-Intelligence Division", in analyzing the ethnography of Greece, Arvanites did not exceed 1/12 of the Greek population (approx 8.5%) at the time BEFORE the unification of Greece, population exchanges etc. Slavs did not seem to have had much of an impact in Greece as some have theorised. Genetics and DNA confirm that the population of the peloponnese cluster with several ITalian populations such as Abruzzo Italians, Tuscans and Sicilians, - populations which are devoid of SLavic admixture. Yes Greece has small minorities of Turks, Slavs, and Walachians from Romania, Crete certainly came under Arab occupation for a time but the Arabs were eventually ousted from Crete by the Byzantines. Yes approxomately 1,600,000 Asia Minor Greeks were expelled from the ancient Greek cities of Asia Minor by the Ottoman Turks and returned to Greece . Of course Alexander the Great was Greek, any historian will tell you that. Of course ancient sources refer to Alexander the Great and the Macedonians as Greeks speaking the Greek language. E.g. Diodorus Sicilus - The Historian As has been shown in multipl DNA studies, the Greek folk of the Peloponnese cluster with several Italian populations. Populations which are devoid of Slavic input, thus confirming that the effect of the SLavic invasion of Greece had minimal impact on the Greek population.
Actual proof that macedonians are much closer related with the ancient macedonians than the nearby nations would like to believe. Its no secret that macedonians and bulgarians are quite similar linguistically but greek populations and albanian? Lands that had a lot less mixing with the slavic people? Thus proving that geneticaly the ancient macedonians are close to modern day macedonians even with all the mixing. The same thing also happened in bulgaria, where the tatar population adopted the language of the slavs. Ancient greek writers themselves described the macedonian people as a barbaric and a non-helenic nation even not allowing them to play in the olympics untill Alexander the great conquered them. There was never a significant greek population in modern day southern macedonia up untill the great exange of populations after the greco-turkish war and the majority of that area was macedonian, which were later killed off or forced to migrate in the macedonian genocide. Just ask the children of migrants in Lerin, Kostur, Voden what they were subject to and how they were forced to leave their identity or face consequences. There are two sides to every story, and while i dont have any hatred towards any ethnic group it is very important to understand that there are reasons why no neighbouring country would want a sovereign macedonian state.
![Origins of the Macedonians [Animated Documentary]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/H8DYD0xIR4U/mqdefault.jpg)
I have to note that every known Macedonian name (from ancient history) is Greek. That was a surprise for me and many of my fellow students in the university of Kyoto.I quote: ΦΙΛΩ+ΙΠΠΟΣ, ΑΛΕΞΩ+ΑΝΗΡ etc.
most modern names are greek and hebrew derivatives. that doesn't make everybody greek and hebrew does it?
Maybe you're write, but could you tell me a known Macedonian non Greek name?
I mean, ancient Macedonian name, not a modern Bulgarian one.
GREETING FROM REAL MACEDONIA IN GREECE , NEXT TIME DO A DNA SPECIAL ON REAL MACEDONIANS IN GREECE WITH THEIR ANCESTORS IN THE SAME MACEDONIAN REGIONS IN GREECE .
I'm very happy and grateful that you continued making these informative videos, greetings from Morocco
About a country with no history.
@@HeroManNick132 Said the Bulghar Tatar turko mongoloid. Bulgar means "mixed people" in your old Bulgar turkic language.
@@HeroManNick132Keep crying Tatar make me a river make me the Volga
Greetings to Morocco from Macedonia
@@the.macedonian4021 Hopefully the Vardar river saves you.
Interesting information
Macedonia! Omg i am going to get my helmet just to read the comments. Cheers from Mercia
My body is ready for the shitstorm that’s about to ensue
@@AncestralBrew That shitstorm is grece and bullgaria..
Macedonians are peaceful just defending ourselves 💜
@@IEthereaI
Monkeydonskis can't fight because they have no army
@@kristaps5296 shut up bulgaroff 😅
@@IEthereaI Yeah sure 😂
As always, making very interesting and very good videos, I enjoyed learning more about the Macedonians, I keep asking you to make a video about the origins of the Saudi Arabs and the Lebanese Arabs because I'm curious, a big hug from Brazil
I want it too
Hello from Macedonia 🇲🇰 🦁❤
@@IEthereaI United Macedonia is not myth but reality
@@IEthereaI Greeks ,Bulgarians must realise that United Macedonia is not myth but reality .Northern greeks are helenized Macedonians the small diferences its only that they carry sligtly more R1a haplogroup other haplogroups same hits i belong to R1a1 r1am198 haplogroup .Bulgaria was created in 19 century before that was called Rumelia genetically we are most similar .
@@IEthereaI ruclips.net/video/TlwlM4XHhW8/видео.htmlfeature=shared
I found one paper published in Nature-Scientific Reports from 2019:
"Ancient human mitochondrial genomes from Bronze Age Bulgaria: new insights into the genetic history of Thracians."
In the results on page 6 it is said:
"Along the first component (sPC1) the ancient Thracians are closely related with Central-East European populations, while along the second component (sPC2) our samples show higher resemblance with present-day Mediterranean groups."
And in the discussion on page 7:
"In accordance with their geographical location, Thracians show a genetic composition clearly intermediate between East Europe and Mediterranean, that suggests multiple admixture events and population movements occurred across what is now the modern day Bulgaria. "
So, the contribution of East and Central European genetic pools is given by the 1st principal component (which, by the way, explains most of the data variance). This is in a full accordance with the linguistic theory of Mario Alinei and Collin Renfrew that Thracians were proto-Balto-Slavic speakers.
Make a video about Ukrainian, Russian and Belarusian DNA. It would be interesting to learn about the differences between these three populations
ruclips.net/user/shortsE-KCyD1Ok8U?t=1&feature=share
AMEN!
Especially RUSSIAN and UKRANIAN.
Πώς λέγονται στα αγγλικά οι παπαριές;
They have the same dna
@@Pontic_warrior Yes, I know they do, and THAT'S WHY Russia is having such a hard time whipping Ukraine.
It's like FIGHTING AGAINST THEMSELVES!
If Russia could whip Ukraine, then Ukraine could whip Russia!
How do you make these videos? Where do you get your sources from?
He just reads off the website Illustrative DNA and pretends like he did it all himself. Well his AI reads it
Just Bla Bla ...
.
There is no such name as North Macedonians, it is an invention from 3-4 years ago, and it cannot be taken seriously as a term. If yes we should see in some next video info about , south, west, and eastern Macedonians too, other wise north doesn't make any sense... It is an authentic people with its own culture (mixed with the surrounding ones, of course, like any other modern country). But to use a term like North Macedonians is simply frivolous. Thank you for your work and effort, keep it up your videos are very informative.
Ok, Skopjans then
@@miloshp7399 Makedonci*
Vardaskan? Skjopian? Western Bulgarian? Eastern Albanian? Souther Serbian? Take your pick you mongrel
@@IEthereaI
Westbulgarski
Makedonski would be better. Macedonians from North Macedonia is also possible. There was nothing in the treaty referring as North Macedonians. Macedonian Slavs and Macedonian Greeks is also a good distinguisher.
Hello , great video. I have a question I'd like to find out. I never knew anything about my birth father. I'm in my 50s. A few years ago I did a DNA test I am very mixed. It says I am 3 types of Celtic n I'm wondering if It's possible to find out my actual Irish Tribe or the Irish name I'm connected to or came from? Thanks. I did sub too.
Good video
I want to know about the origins of the Arabs of Bahrain and the Arabs of Oman and also, if possible, about the Jordanians please videos
So, Iron Age North Macedonian population already contained 35% Balto-Slavic genes. No wonder then that Thracian vocabulary contains so many Balto-Slavic words. In fact, these facts corroborate Mario Alinei's hypothesis that Thracians were Balto-Slavic people. It seems that over millennia there were more migrations to the Balkans from what is now Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, aside from those from the early Middle Ages. It is so logical, isn't it?
By the way, it would be preferable to also cite the sources you used for your claims.
THRACIANS EXISTED FOR AT LEAST SINCE 13,000 YEARS AGO BUT SLAVS APPEARED ON 7TH CENTURY AD, SO HOW CAN YOU BE SO IGNORANT AND SAY THAT SOMEHTING THAT PREEXIST 13000 YEARS IS "SLAVIC" THRACIANS ARE THE FIRST HELLENES, THE HELLENIC RELIGION THAT LATER ADOPTED BY THE REST OF HELLENES IS CREATED BY THRACIANS THE WORD THRACE ITSELF IS THE ROOT FOR THE WORLD RELIGION IN HELLENIC. ALL THRACIANS KINGS ARE HELLENES, ALL THRACIANS CITIES ARE IN HELLENIC NAMES, ALL THEATERS, EPIGRAPHS, TOMBS IN THRACE (THE REGION BETWEEN DANUBE AND AEGEAN SEA) IS HELELNIC, THE ISLAND OF SAMOTHRACE IS HELLENIC, NO ONE DOUBT ABOUT THAT, SAMOS IS ALSO HELLENIC, THE ISLAND OF PYTHAGORAS, SO THRACE IS THE CRADDLE OF HELLENIC CIVILIZATION EVERYTHING ELSE YOU WRITE HERE IS BULLSHIT AND WITH NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE BACKROUND OR SOURCE OR TEXTS FOR EXAMPLE DEMOKRITOS AND LEYKIPOS TWO OF THE GREATER SCIENTIESTS AND PHYSICISTS AND MATHEMATICIANS OF THE HUMANITY ARE THRACIANS 100% AND THEIR WORK ARE ALL IN HELLENIC. NO THRACIAN WROTE ANYTHING IN ANY SLAVIV LANGUAGE, NOT A SINGLE MONUMENT IN TRHACE IS IN SLAVIC LETTERS OR EVEN ONE WORD IN SLAVIC , ALL IS ONLY HELLENIC, SO ONLY AN IDIOT OR A PAID AGENT CAN SAY SO GROSS LIES PUBLICALLY
North Macedonians are 30-40% Slavic
@@MsSirAndy 15%*
yes but are bulgarians they speak and write in Bulgarian they are not north "macedonians" they are western Bulgarians@@MsSirAndy
Northern Macedonians are Greeks since 3000 BC now continuously, how can you say such a gross lie? Northern and southern and central Macedonians all speak Greek @@MsSirAndy
Oh well, I see there are plenty of requests for videos for specific ppl, so can I add one here? Can you do one for the dodecanese as you mentioned them in a couple of videos that they are the closest part of Greece closer to ancient Greeks. (Please don't start with "the ppl of dodecanese are incredibly diverse" :D )
Very Hellenic.
The first inhabitants in the Dodecanese history are said to be the Telchines and Iliads. Much later the Cares and Achaies arrived and according to Homer, they took part in the Trojan War. After the fall of Troy, the monarchy was no longer established and this brought many intermarriages with the Dorians.Those Greek islands are known since the Greek antiquity and no civilization has ever questioned their Greek origin. The Greeks inhabit the Dodecanese in the 14th century and up to this day, excavations have brought to light 18 settlements of Achaia on 8 islands of Dodecanese complex and other Mycenean findings of exceptional value.
@@agnimoraitidi1770 if by Hellenic you include the hellenized Greeks of the hellinistic & roman times, then I will agree. But I would be interested to see Ancestralbrew's opinion for this small region because half my heritage is from there.
I thought that everyone knows that the term "Macedonia", (a Greek word) is a geographical term for a region devided nowadays between former Yugoslavia, Greece and Bulgaria. I remember from my studies in linguistics (in the university of Kyoto, Japan) that the language of the ancient Macedonia was a northern Greek dialect. I' m not familiar with the modern language in that part of Macedonia (the part of the former Yugoslavian Democracy), but I' sure (looking the map) that in the biggest part that belongs to Greece, the language is Greek, and in the north-northeast part is the Bulgarian language.
That's pretty much correct.
Do not tell a lies to the world. Ethnic Macedonia is a territory where the modern Macedonians live/lived (not an Ancient) and devided between Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia. Serbs recognitted and returned back their part to Macedonians. Ancient Macedonia where Anc.Macedonians lived at what is known just an Aegean(Southern) Macedonia which is now under Greeks and one small southernmost part city Bitola (Heraclea) in Vardar (Northern) Macedonia that was under Yugoslavia and Serbia in the past. Ancient Macedonians were not Greeks for sure and do not spoke a greek dialect, but another Slavic dialect.
@@dejantodorovski5222 Ancient Macedonians were of a northern Greek stock. Modern North "Macedonians" are essentially western Bulgarians.
@@BigNews2021 Macedonians are essentially Slavic Macedonians, and Ancient Macedonians were of Paleobalkanic Thracian/Illyrian stock.
he's not discussing language. maybe watch the video. also macedonia is not a greek word.
This migration fairytale pertains that: "a tribe," which was unrecorded before the 6th century, "appeared from behind the Carpathian Mountains" to become the largest ethno-linguistic group in Europe "replacing all the previous recorded populations." Slavic ethnic identity and its terminology were heavily politicized as they were used to support outdated 19th century territorial ambitions. Mmigration was from the south to north and not north to south.
This fairy tale was invented by the West, especially the Germans. The Slavs were in the Balkans at the same time (but they was known under different names as Veneti), if not before Helen (with whom the new so-called Greeks have nothing to do)
Slavs came to the Balkans in the 6th to 7th cenurires AD Slav Macedonians are essentially a Bulgarian people.the Greeks though have been in the Balkans and Aegean since 10,000 BC
Yes... and you still shit in the same places.........do not step in malaka.....@@rafaellagaribaldi9391
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 Bulgars are Tatars.
@@RU-Aussie no really, Bulgarians and their brethren the SlavoMacedonians are of SLavic Anthropological type but have some antic Proto-Bulgarian (Volgar Turkic /Tatar ancestry.
@@RU-Aussie You are Turko-Albanian brainwashed by Tito's Yugoslavia to believe in fairytales. The real Macedonians live in Northern Greece.
I would like to know about the Arabs in general, if possible, make a video about their origins and the Jews together, genetic studies claim that they are genetic brothers, but the Jews mixed a lot with Europeans, make a video about the Lebanese, many also say that they are Phoenicians mixed with Arabs and Greeks, is that really true?gained a subscriber❤😊😊
There was a lot of Jews in Macedonia before the Holocaust 😢
Yes maronite Christian are phoenician i think
@@IEthereaI Обсебени сте с тях!
@@IEthereaI Защо сте обсебени от тях?
@@IEthereaI SE" NAJUBAVO ! ! ! Tatjana od MAKEDONIJA
Can you please make a video on Romania 🇷🇴 please 🙏
Same as when it was created somewhere 150 years ago. DNA wise
😂
Did you think about who were the ancestors of today's Romanian citizens?
Since you are already on the subject of the Balkan regions, I assume that you are also preparing a video for today's Bulgarians. I can't wait ! Greets and keep working.
It will be the very same as this one :) As you see the genetic similarity with Bulgarians technically shows that Bulgarians and Macedonians are the same people...
@@nanculito Let's find out, can not be same in all areas for sure... If is then local people can not identify them self with name vulgars, coz that name is from far far away.
@bitolcanecc from where is the name and what it means? In ancient times, V was peonounsed B, so don't be shy, and you could clearly write BULGARIANS. Be proud to be their descendent. Nevertheless, now you are called North Macedonian :)
@@nanculito Only sentimental dreamer can believe that bulgars still existing.
@bitolcanecc of course they do exist, there is a whole bulgarian country that still exists today, didn't you know? 😉 Go to the mirror, and you'll even see one pure Bulgarian 😀
Can you do a video about bulgarians ,based on the newest genetical analysises about the sarmatian/indo-iranian ancestry of modern bulgarians, please? I am a big fan of your videos, because genetics is something i am very interested in and you introduce it in a very good and easy way, so this topic can be accessible and understood by everyone!❤
Typical Bulgarian nationalist bs.
The Thracians were Scythian descendants? Or the original Bulgars? Or both?
@@papazataklaattiranimam Same goes for your Turkish nationalism.
Based on what studies? a bunch of numbers but at least regarding modern population there is some differencies to known studies.
Greek Macedonians has more slav and proto R1a haplogroup 18 percent
@@Makedonce1989. Стига пропаганда!
Differences like what? This is pretty much what every Balkan nation's genetic composition looks like.
Thracians / Dacians / Illyrians / Celts + Slavic tribes + Bulgar influence North of Danube, Moesia, Thrace and Northern parts of Macedonia (the geographical region, not the country).
This is not study, but just propaganda
Bozzoe, you don't know what you've eaten 2 days ago, but you are an expert in genealogy. First finish your second grade, before you go to high school.
Loved the age of mythology music
1:52 "Elevating their levels of European DNA" but all these groups are European🤨
Haplogroup I is the oldest major haplogroup in Europe and in all probability the only one that originated there, but haplogroups are split along the way and they go different directions. For example, the haplogroup I subclades of I2a that we find in north Europe, Sardinia, Spain and the ones that belong to South Slavs are different. So, while the other Haplogroups(E, J, G, R) found in the Balkans originated first outside of what is today Europe. Most of their subclades for example, from Haplogroup E which first developed around N. Africa, its subclade EV-13 developed between Central and East Europe.
@@dios1ish868 A persons haplogroup is only one part of someone’s ancestry, what’s your point?
@@jbstarkiller4626 My point is that the main haplogroup like we're talking about 'I' in this case, does not qualify one's ancestry, cause along the way the haplogroup is mixed and subclades are created in different places where they've been isolated, that's why Sardinian, Scandinavian and Slavic people are different ancestry, even though they fall under the main I haplogroup. Otherwise, we all fall under the main A=Adam haplogroup, whish all these other haplogroups came out from. At least this is what we have so far with scientific genetic studies.
@@dios1ish868 You’re talking about haplogroup I not me.
@@jbstarkiller4626 You were asking the question about the "European DNA", so I showed the difference why and how that happened. Not to mention, when DNA's split and were created there was no Europe or any other continent names. We just name them with the names that existed later on and now.
Where did the Tatars go!!!?
They must have found their way to the Mongolian steppes 👉🏿 🖼😂
@@Gotse.Delchev.Rebornaka Janakis Nikologlu
Аз съм дупнишки малък, има ли македонец да ми го начука на онова нещо 😂
@@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn
👆🏿
Татарски папагал🦜
со турско 🇹🇷педигре😂
So other than Bulgaria which is normal due to massive migration post balkan wars, Macedonians generally cluster closest to other Macedonians such as the ones in the greek part of the region despite heavy greek settlement post 1920's skewing the results.
Waiting for the central African version of this... As the earliest person said to have existed theoretically came from the Congo and most of slaves exported also came from that same region... But most DNA test don't separate the region at all. They treat all of central Africa as one people. And all of West Africa as another.
I come from a Turkish speaking family of Albanian origin (as far as we know) from Northern Macedonia.. What am I now?? : )
confused
It is Macedonia.
And you are goat lovers 😅
No idea, there is probably a term for that ethnic group. Sometimes people over here only pay attention to the mother tongue when assigning ethnicity, so you could just say Turkish and people would accept that. It's basically what happened with Attaturk. He was 75% Macedonian but history remembers him as a Turk and there is nothing wrong with that.
Turk with Albanian origin, if you learn to speak Albanian, you can be considered one too
@@zesky6654 It was actually an irony that I tried to make. Other than that, I share similar opinion as you about the topic. It mostly comes to how one identifies oneself.
Could you please make a detailed video for Thracians?
I don't quite understand whether the Thracians were Greek, Balkan or Celtic.
They were Balkan related due to their close genetic ties to the illyrians, paeonians and the Greeks
Paleo balkan people.
What to you mean greek or Balkan, Greeks are also Balkan. And no ancient thrace wasn't Greeks thracians was another paleobalkan nation like Greece illyria Dacia
Thracians in Bronze Age and ancient times were many many tribes with no connection between them in a big or very big geographical area.
Many Thracian tribes became "officially" Greeks in the Hellenistic era before 2400 years and later. Before that era most of them were also Greeks or very close to other Greeks but just were not so "civilized"
Thracians are modern bulgarians and north macedonians who are same people
Is that age of mythology soundtrack 😀
Which samples do you use to model the north macedonians?I mean,are the samples used in the "Byzantine Greek" categore from Balikesir?
Macedonians * you signed the agreement guys 😅🇲🇰👑
Bro Northern Greeks has more R1a than macedonians .My parents are curly i belong to R1a haplogroup mother has neolitics all curly hairs autosomal the same as northern greeks
@@Makedonce1989. Whats your point? Mycenaean Greeks were also R1a
ruclips.net/user/shortsE-KCyD1Ok8U?t=1&feature=share
@@IEthereaI We didnt, Tsipras the traitor did. We would never sell out our region's name to you, slavs
Surprise surprise! They are most related to Bulgarians, how shocking this is?!
1 million Macedonians migrated to Bulgaria. Thats why
@@dzalissimomk2381 700 000 българи от Македония са емигрирали в България. Това е интелектуалният елит прогонен от сръбските фашистки окупатори и след 1945 г. от родопредателите Лазар Кулишев, Михаил Апостолов, и др.какво остава от един народ след като прогониш неговия патриотичен елит
Like Bulgarians are Slavic, surprise, surprise. You're North Macedonians like it was said here...that was the meaning of that statement about how related you are.
@@bgdabg6769 so choose, are u Slavic or turkic ? Bulgarians were a turkic tribe from Volga.
@@dzalissimomk2381 Bulgarian name is...DNA is Slavic. How and why would I choose anything?
You're not smart too much, aren't you?
Please do Ukraine next
So the answer to the question about ancient Macedonians being related to ancient ones is- sort of…not really.
Make a triple DNA comparison between the so-called Bulgarians, Tatars and Mongols
no difference
Will the result shut you up when they proclaim a vaaaaaaaaast difference between Bulgarians on the one side and Tatars and Mongols on the other? Or the warring Serbo-Macedonism invented by the Moscow Comintern will overshadow your normal way of thinking?
If Macedonian DNA align closely with the Bulgarian one (as this clip says) and if (hypothetically speaking/writing) the Bulgarian DNA matches closely the Tatar and Mongol ones, then Macedonians are also Tatars/Mongols, right?! Will you admit such a result then???
Then declare yourself a Macedonian ... Macedonia only and forever ... Timeless/Vecna @@nyagolnyagolov7130
The so-called Macedonians are Bulgarian, which was also shown in this video.
That was all Macedonia and will be again.your homeland is "Central Asia"(Tatarstan) @@atgunchev
Bro litteraly proved that modern day macedonians are less slavic than other slavic nations
Grasping at straws man... he literally said theyre closest genetically with Bulgarians which is exactly what they deny
Are you high?
He literally said in 2:52 that their closest match are Bulgarians
yes, because 35-50% of the population are not Slavs but Albanians, then there are the other minorities that live in the country
@@Chrxstos And what are Bulgarians? Mostly Thracians/Macedonians and Greeks.
@@robthevampireslayer3211 Macedonians are Greeks
Bulgarians are Thracians+some Slavic
Is there a country that isn't incredibly diverse?
No, every single country including the Vatican is diverse. I will never change my hook. Ever
@@AncestralBrewI’ll never understand why so many people still run with the idea of “pure” DNA. It’s nonsense
Maybe South Sudan, because almost everybody is Nilotic there.
@@Woogie724Because they value political propaganda more than truth.
Literally nobody said that, you have victim complex@@Woogie724
Could you do about the Romanians
04:03 As an artificial intelligence student who recently published an article about this, I don't doubt 🤡
Also @2:24 does that mean that modern day italians are the closest genetically to those ancient populations that were on the balkans? How come? Could that be due/related to the roman empire influnce on this region? Were the etruscans from similar background to that of thracians, illyrians and peonians? I've heard also that roman empire's troops,soldier were excatly coming from those same ancient tribes in the balkans.. maybe that could explain the genetic similarities to an extent with today italians?
The closest modern population to a bronze age greek population are the Greeks from Deep mani. Italians mainly from the south (not the north) may plot close to bronze age Greek samples because modern Greeks on average have this extra slavic admixture which makes them have more hunter gatherer ancestry than southern Italians. Thus modern Greeks in general plot closer to Proto-Greeks (Logkas proto Greek sample) than the mycenean samples with very low to non Y-DNA from Indoeuropeans.
HLA alleles have been determined in individuals from the Republic of Macedonia by DNA typing and sequencing. HLA-A, -B, -DR, -DQ allele frequencies and extended haplotypes have been for the first time determined and the results compared to those of other Mediterraneans, particularly with their neighbouring Greeks. Genetic distances, neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analysis have been performed. The following conclusions have been reached: 1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum, like Iberians (including Basques), North Africans, Italians, French, Cretans, Jews, Lebanese, Turks (Anatolians), Armenians and Iranians, 2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum, 3) Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups. Both Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305, *0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310. Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbour joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The time period when these relationships might have occurred was ancient but uncertain and might be related to the displacement of Egyptian-Ethiopian people living in pharaonic Egypt.
@@Stampaxd nooo bro u don't know anything about the greke history
@@Stampaxd only islander greeks and south Italians are close to mycenyans (is 0.04 is not to close but is the closest) because islander Greeks are Minoans and Minoans they was close to mycenyans genetically with some difference. Mainland Greeks for example are dorians (1 of the 4 greek races), that why mainland Greeks aren't close to mycenyans, because we are dorians
@@Stampaxd dorians come to Greece in 1.000 to 900 BC
If the Macedonians and the Greeks were the same people, then there was no need for Alexander the Great to call himself King of the Macedonians and the Greeks, but just King of the Greeks. In his five-century old book Mauro Orbini says that because the Macedonians have their own language, which didn’t just fall from the sky, it is clear that they have always spoken the same language.
If that was true in 1525, when the book was written, then it is very probable that Alexander and Samoil spoke the same language. According to Orbini, Alexander, Samoil and Saint Clement would have no problem understanding each other in their mother tongue in 1525.
Thats exactly what Philip and his son Alexander did, Philip of Macedon declared himself a blue blooded Greek. In fact the ancient Macedonians proudly and forcefully declared thmselves as Greeks. Secondly the ancient Macedonians, being Greeks of course, had, after Greece was conquered by Rome, self identified, like the rest of the Greeks as Romaoi (Romans). I assume Orbini when referring to the Macedonians was referring to the Bulgarians population of Macedonia.
So what you ment to say is that in Vladivostok they are speaking a distant dialect of the language of Alexander the Great?
@@ivanmilanov8386 Orbini was obviously referring to the Bulgarians who occupied Macedonia in the middle ages.
@@ivanmilanov8386 In Vladivostok people are speaking almost identical, with only a slightest degree of an accent that would be often hard to notice even for Russian-speaking people. I can hardly think about one reason to consider the language people speak in Vladivostok different from the language spoken in other parts of Russia.
So my answer is not such a distant dialect, but as much as the Macedonian language is different from Russian.
@@meRussian-wy8pk They are both slavic and slavic languages are very similar because they formed in the same cultural sphere. Did ancient macedonians gave their language to the slavic tribes that migrated to the Balkans, Central and Eastern Europe?
Wow closest to Bulgarians geneticaly. I toght Macedonians had nothing in common with Bulgarians whatsoever. Weren't Bulgarians Mongol- Tatars, or am i wrong? Also, the language seems simmilar, like a dialect or something. Doesn't that make the Macedonians tatars, or the Bulgarians proto balkan, instead of Mongols or something? Im really confused now. Greetings to eastern european and balkan brothers and sisters!
Kurdish DNA please! ❤
Fun Fact: Many Slavic ethnicities don’t carry Slavic names. The name Russian is Germanic, Macedonian is Hellenic, also Cossack and Bulgarian are both Turkic.
Just made almost the same comment and saw yours 😅
Macedonia is Macedonian
i think russian is a term derived from a swedish town where these rus vikings came from
@@adrialonioo-bw7od Macedonia is Hellenic
@@el_chico1313 yes but Swedish (vikings) are Germanic language
Please do bulgarian one next it'd be interesting
Turkomongol tatars khan asparukh 💩
I will tell you: Bulgarians are 50% Tatars 30% Slavs & 20% Romani (from India)
@@vasilmirmidonski2740 video suggest bulgarians are closest match to macedonians . Does that mean macedonians are 50 tatars 30 slavs and 20 romani?
@@user-ls9lg7vb8o video says about Macedonians from Pirin part which is under bulgaria from 1913 😉
@@IEthereaI Standard Macedonian was codified in 1945 and has developed modern literature since. Prior to 1945 in many Bulgarian and international sources before the World War II, the South Slavic dialect continuum covering the area of today's North Macedonia and Northern Greece was referred to as a group of Bulgarian dialects.
Do the west Slavs next, pls.
Please do France 🇫🇷
THEY WILL TELL YOU THE ARABS AND AFRICAN REFUGEES ARE THE FRENCH
@@mickeymouse1697 Okay, go to Disneyland.
You are like mosqitos everything is proved i gonna make video about helenized slav speaker in Northern Greece helenized people haplogroups maps .Most smart knows the truth northern greeks ,gagauz ,modern bulgars occupaited pirin region in modern Bulgaria autosomal related .
Пропагандисте, ела тука и не се крий!
Yes, exactly, everything is proved.
North Macedonians have absolutely no connection to Alexander the Great be it historically, geographically, culturally, genetically, linguistically or in any other sense.
Until 100 years ago, all the Slavic population of the region of Macedonia were either Bulgarians or Serbs, as Macedonian nationality or ethnicity didn't exist.
That's what historians agree on worldwide. Everyone knows it. You know it too.
This country is ex Vardarska and in fact West Bulgaria
Haha, the gagauz ancestry is from the peçenegs who settled there and migled with the megleno-romanians.
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Bro just add not all R1a came with slavics R1a z93 1600 bc was found in bulgaria ,mine is R1a m198 they find sample of r1a m459 7000 years old in bulgaria .Northern Greeks share higher levels of R1a ratio is 18.5 percent while in macedonia is 13 percent
Slavic is R1a M458 R1a Z280
@@vigisisisi i know that i talk about older R1a clade
@@Makedonce1989. Da znam tvog R1a Z93 nema mnogo u balkan
@@Makedonce1989. Jasam od pleme Thaçi Kolesjan to su J2b L283 Z1296 Z1297 ali su podeli na dve druge liniji jedna Y21878 Cts11100 i druga Z631 Z1043 Y22894 a koja druga liniju sam ne znam
@@Makedonce1989. R1a z93 sto je anticki balkasko ima po vise na istocni Ballkan dali si od Istoncna Makedonija Stip Probistib Kratovo Kocani Dojran Strumica Gevgelija
"Some observers argue that even at this time (end of WW2) it was doubtful whether the Slavs of Macedonia considered themselves to be a nationality separate from Bulgarians". (Palmer and King 1971:199-200)
“...the feeling of being Macedonians, and nothing but Macedonians, seems to be a sentiment of fairly recent growth, and even today is not very deeply rooted”(Barker 1950:10)
Нико Иванов педало татарски reborn да го чукат сичките македонци
@@HeroManNickI32 You, North Macedonian Turks, are so funny 👍😁
@@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn Да забавни сме когато чукаме монголитстарски како теб на јутуб ака монголтуб 😂
@@HeroManNickI32 You are very funny Turk 🤣 Keep up the good work 👍
@@Gotse.Delchev.Rebornкато тебе Никита радодајка тешко ти си апсолутно фанЗаЕбање 😂
THere is a very widespread theory that the Romans were descended of the thracians. This is corroborated by the original roman myths that they were descended of the Trojans, who were themselves essentially thracians. The macedons were most likely indigenous thracian/pelasgian stock. So your conclusion is not that surprising.
Bangladesh would be interesting 🤔
There is no such thing as north macedonians. Just macedonians. This is a crucial part of the agreement which sought to change the country's name. The agreement is that while the country is named north macedonia the ethnic group remains macedonians. Just fyi, cuz calling these people north macedonians is extremely offensive, used by neighbouring nationalists mostly to discredit them as being the black sheep of the balkans.
If "North Macedonians" is offencive to them we can call them South-Western Bulgarians .. 😎
@@redpillbulgaria-v2.063 Tatarian?
You are a joke
@@RU-Aussie Nope... 100% Mongol... Pure Blood..
@@RU-Aussie Tatarian fits North Macedonia very well, but East Albania sounds better.
Bulgaria’s population has been shrinking for the past 30 years. By 2050 the population will probably be below 4 million. The Roma minority will became majority significantly larger from Bulgarians . The Turkish minority will also be larger.
The most recent statistics (2024) still put Bulgaria as the number one Balkan country, with the greatest declining population rate (with a figure of over 20%). In fact, it is ahead, overall, and even beating Ukraine which is in the middle of a war. It’s easy to find. Look it up yourself on World Population Review -Countries with declining population 2024.
@@mellake7052 North Macedonian soo it will be Muslim.
@@HeroManNick132Jebalate “north” mongolian 😂
40% Slavic??????? Since when????
Slavic Nations are associated with R1a haplogroup...there is way less than 40% R1a, and some part of it came with the paleobalcan indoeuropean...the inhabitants of North Macedonia predominantly descend from the paeoneans and the dardanians if they are albanians. ....their closest " relative " is the Bulgarians who also are predominantly thracian and not slavic
Paeoneans and thracians had a part of indoeuropean dna brought by the paleobalcan indoeuropeans but the majority of their DNA was non indoeuropean.....
Actually at 2:58 the first 3 or even 4 groups are all Bulgarians as well as Macedonians, so thanks for this video because it proves something we've been arguing about in the Balkans for a very long time, unfortunately. It is always sad to see a blood brother hate and deny his ancestry this way as Macedonian do….
Tatar
@@IEthereaI here it is the prove .... they are so brainwashed, poore guys.... 😢
@@nanculitoi agree we share similarity alot mine line R1a haplogroup from northern greece they were macedonians but later helenized into greeks .I dont hate bulgarians or northern greeks geneticaly we are all so close and but you must accept the fact we speak macedonian not bulgarian language peace to all
@@Makedonce1989. To me personaly, you have already spoken a separate language, after the reform in 1945, but our ancestors spoke the same language, and that language had dialectal forms, like any language on earth. However, I respect your opinion. When there are more people in North Macedonia, like you, between two countries with different views, a normal and cultural dialogue can be held, and in some time, I am sure, we will find our common pont of view.
@@nanculito not true i already proved even that
Do nationalists ever watch stuff correctly? It's clearly shown that Macedonians, just like other nations, are diverse. Yet they carry majority of Paleo-Balkanic pre-slavic genetic links. Also, Macedonians are genetically closer to Greeks, Albanians and Serbs. Most modern research shows that, regardless of what's shown in the video above. So bulgarian and greek nationalists, suck it up and cry yourselves a river in the corner.
Did you watch even the video? @2.55 clearly shows north macedonians are closest to bulgarians.. what are you on.? Show one study which suggest average bulgarians are not closest match to them
@@user-ls9lg7vb8o You can literally search for such research on Google. There are a couple of them. This is the first time I see such thing in this video, however not every research is completely the same, it varies.
@@user-ls9lg7vb8o kid you don't even know who bulgarians are and what that name means 😂
MAKEDONIA 🇲🇰☦️🌟👑🦁
@@user-ls9lg7vb8o _"macedonians are closest to bulgarians..."_
That's because a large part of Bulgaria now contains Pirin within it's borders. Pirin was formerly part of Macedonia before it was annexed to Bulgaria after the 12912/1913 Balkan wars and the people residing there were the brothers of the majority of the people in the rest of Macedonia (including the part which is now within Greek borders).
Much of the population has been Bulgarised now (just like the Macedonians of present-day Northern Greece have been largely hellenised) but many still retain their Macedonian identity. Also, large numbers of Macedonians studied or worked in other parts of Bulgaria prior to the Balkan wars and remained there , their descendants now identify as Bulgarians - a phenomenon common to all nations as ALL nations are social constructs. Bulgaria has a much larger Eastern Europe and West Asian genetic component than Macedonia, reflecting the large non-"Slavic" population (which has now become "Bulgarian.")
Interestingly, a Bulgarian DNA study revealed that after the Macedonians, Greeks are the closest genetic cousins to the Bulgarians (and even closer to the Macedonians) so I don't know what the fuss is about.
btw, you have used incorrect terminology. According to the "agreement", there are no such people as "north Macedonians." There are only Macedonians.
@@mellake7052 i am not sure about the Pirin region i think it has been part of the bulgarian borders for hundreds of years back you could check some old maps and see that. More likely is that bulgarians lived there even up to the ohrid lake . If you check ottoman archives most of the people living there were registered as bulgarians .. also bulgarians are matching only with the northern part of greece. We carry the genes of the same tribes which were inhabiting those lands being mostly slavs thracians celts pelasgians proto bulgars scythians pechenegs etc. Bulgarians score more balkan than slavic on average, west asian(anatoly) central asian component almost non existent under 1%
Wow!!! so the Modern day North Macedonians are truly the descendants of the ancient Macedonians who conquered Greece and Persia 😍 amazing 🤩
Macedonians * you made a typo
@@IEthereaI Sorry Macedonians 🇲🇰
Did you not watch the video? The ethnic group most closely related to ancient people are Italians. North Macedonians are most closely related to Bulgarians, then Gaugaz, then Greek and Albanian. 45% of your genome is Slavic….
@@Pana-yc6bf Are you lost??
@@Billy-jn6te you did not watch video. Everyone in south Balkan has paleo Balkan DNA. Italians have most, then followed by Greeks and Albanians. We have Slavic admixture. Modern population you’re related to are Bulgarians. He literally says it in video
Thank you for the video. Vardaskha citizens cannot accept the obvious: Ancient Macedonia was Greek in DNA, culture, language, self definition. The Great Alexander spoke Greek, his whole family has Greek names, all the ancient macadonians artifacts are in Greek... He spread the Greek culture all over to India. Modern "North Macedonia" has a history of about 10 years. The try with cheap statues and empty museums to convince themselves that are related to the glorious Greeks of the past. Sorry, but so obvious history facts cannot be rewritten.
No such thing as a North Macedonian, only Macedonian. You can find the same people living over the borders in Albania, Bulgaria and Greece who have experienced degrees of national and cultural repression. Your DNA presentation applies to those populations as well. My maternal grandmother is from the Macedonian areas of Albania. My mother in turn has relatives over the border in Greece. One of the clans in my father's village hailed all the way from the Pirin region of Macedonia now in Bulgaria. One Macedonian, one Macedonia, neither Albanian, Bulgarian, Greek or Serbian.
lol , BULGAR TATAR SLAV GYPSY HYBRID COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA FROM COMMUNIST DICTATOR TITO'S BOOK OF LIES . MACEDONIANS ARE ONLY GREEKS , WAKE UP
No, you are not correct, the modern country called Repblic of North Macedonia was NEVER Macedonia. It was Paeonia. The Real Original ancient Macedonia ios in northern Greece.
Northern Greece since 1913 AD.
@@mickeymouse1697 sounds like the greeks mix.
@@tonygjorgievski8966 Пропагандист
So in short, the newly founded country that was once the Vardar part of Yugoslavia is made up predominately of Bulgarian and Slavic people who migrated into the region, with some admixture from the original paleo Balkan peoples, and although politically they have adopted a Hellenic name, genetically and historically are not linked to the Ancient Macedonians of Hellas. Thanks for the clarity.
You did not watch the video? 90% of North Macedonia genome is the same as Central Macedonian Greeks, genetically they are the same people, Macedonians from North Macedonia adopted Slavic language but that does not change the fact that from Skopje to Thessaloniki genetically the people are the same.
He affirmed the population is Slavic closely related to the Bulgarians which we knew. He also said that there are some admixtures which we also know since the communists of Greece fled there along with the forty-eight thousand children they kidnapped. What he also made clear is that this Slavic population which is closest in DNA to Bulgarians, does not have connections to the ancient Macedonians who were Greeks making the recent adoption and use of the Greek name to describe these people living on non-ancient Macedonian land, nothing more than a political agenda.
@@RealBonnieBlue Macedonia was fully Macedonian 🇲🇰 before 1913 when with the Bucharest treaty she was partioned in 3 parts by Serbia, grece and bulagaria! Only the part that Serbia took became our country because they were in war with bosnia and croatia and couldn't bother with us too... so we got out without bloodshed. But in the Pirin Macedonian part the Macedonians still live under bulgar tyranny, same with the Aegean Macedonian part under grek evils and occupation 🇲🇰☦️👑🦁💔
@@IEthereaI There was no ‘Macedonia’ as a country to be ‘wrongfully’ divided. The Bucharest Treaty does not mention any "Macedonians" either because they were mainly Bulgarians and Serbians then. The territory of the real historical Macedonia in Greece was liberated from the Ottomans and then the Greeks defended it from the Bulgarians who wanted access to the Aegean sea. This is you. You have been brainwashed. Go educte yourself
@@IEthereaI Historical Macedonia in Greece was already liberated. There is no Macedonia or Macedonians in the Bucharest treaty
Ok but were ancient Macedonianans purely Greek them selves ?
No
@@mellake7052 Propaganda
My great great greandma is from North Macedonia, we're Jews.
I did my DNA test but there was no Macedonian DNA, I do have 30% south Italy.
Waiting for a DNA kit from a different company to arrive, hopefully it'll share some more light about it and expand my knowledge about my ancestry
What that means is that your ancestors came from the northern Greek region of Greece. Macedonia in northern Greece had a large Jewish community and who originally came from Spain. Many Greeks ended up in the Republic of North Macedonia after the Greek civil war. Jews were living in Greece since they were expelled from Spain by Ferdinand and Isabella and they came and settled in Greece.
Jews in Macedonia were mostly refugees from spain and some merchants from italy. So that's probably where your ancestors are from.
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 The "greeks" who ended up in North Macedonia weren't ethnically greek. They were macedonian and aromanian. That's the whole reason they were forced to leave.
@@zesky6654 What do you mean by "Macedonian"?? Are you referring to "Slav Macedonians" (i.e Bulgarish slavs of Macedonia) or "Hellenic Macedonians" Greeks)
@@zesky6654 Jews have been present in Macedonia (the whole geographic region) since early Roman times. In North Macedonia they settled around Stobi, present day Bitola and have had a continuous presence since then. The ancient synagogue in Stobi is to this day the oldest recorded synagogue outside of Israel. Nothing remains of it sadly. During WW2 55k Jews were captured by the Bulgarians, only a small number survived. Today there are about 200 Jews remaining ...
As for the Roman connection, its not unusual even to this day to hear people (usually very old people 90 years and above) referring to themselves as Romejci, which translates to Romans. I dont find that surprising since this territory has been under Roman rule for over a thousand years and Im guessing lots of Romans settled here.
DNA results from te Forensics Medicines Institute of Skopje. Republic of North Macedonia.
SKOPJE - A six-year long DNA research of the Balkan peoples conducted by Skopje Forensics Medicine Institute has showed remarkable resemblance among them.
*_"The analysis of the data has showed that residents of Macedonia have the most similar DNA with Bulgarians and Serbs, Croats with Bosnian and Serbian population while Kosovo Albanians have the fewest similarities with the others,”_* says Forensics Medicine Institute’s Dr Zlatko Jakovski.
Yes, but well over 1,000,000 Macedonians live in Bulgaria, mostly in Pirin which was annexed to Bulgaria in 1913 due to the Balkan Wars, so naturally there is a strong genetic connection, duh - though we know that genetics do not determine ethnicity.
Interestingly, Greece was the ONLY Balkan country which refused to participate in this Balkan-wide study. Possibly they were afraid that the results would reveal that Greeks are also genetically linked to Bulgarians as shown in a different study.
Also interesting is the fact that study after study reveals that the Greek population's closely genetic cousins are all their neighbours in every direction - the Albanians Macedonians, Bulgarians and Turks - which is the natural order of thing for every country. Also interesting, is that Greeks nationalists (indeed Greek policy) deny all this for some strange reason. (Well, perhaps not all that strange, when politicians write history).
@@mellake7052 Stop lying. The whole population of the Pirin region is less than 350 000 and they all declare themselves as ethnic Bulgarians.
Depends which modern Macedonians you are referring to??
1) Are you referring to Slav Macedonians (people of Bulgarian origin) who are Bulgarians who renamed themselves "macedonians" in the 19th century in a regional sense who live in the Republic of North Macedonia, and are obviously NOT related to the ancient Macedonians?
2) Or are you referring to the Hellenic Macedonians (Greeks) from ancient Macedonia in northern Greece. who are, like the ancient Macedonians, Hellenes.
3) No DNA has ever been recovered from the 1000 or so ancient Macedonian graves in northern Greece, therefore there is no such thing as "ancient Macedonian" DNA on record.
Well, it's certainly not referring to the Christians Albanians (the majority of the population of Greece when it was created by Western powers - 1832) and the rest of the population of Morea (renamed Greece) which was predominately Vlach, Slavic. Roma and Turkish. Nor to the 1,600,000 Christian refugees, (mostly Turks, Armenians, Laz, Georgians, etc) resettled in Greece in 1922/23 and called 'turkosporos' by the local Greeks until they decided in the past generation or so that they are now the new Macedonians.
Bulgars are Tatars. You can kiss the Khan
@@RU-Aussie Kiss the famous North Macedonian Tatar Hristo TATARchev.
@@RU-Aussie You are obsessed with that.
@@mellake7052 You admitted your creation?
That's because modern day bulgaria was a part of ancient Macedonia. Look up ancient Roman maps and you will see what i mean.
The last 2000 years North Macedonia was a small region within the Roman Empire, the Eastern Roman Empire, the First and Second Bulgarian Tsardom, the Ottoman Empire, Kingdom of Serbia and Yugoslavia. Look up the ancient maps and you will see what I mean.
Who are this North Macedonias ? I've never heard of them??? Maybe because they don't exist...hmmmmm
I've heard of Macedonians if you were referring to them.
“We are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia! Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century AD.” (Kiro Gligorov, Toronto Star, March 15, 1992)
⬆️
Нико Иванов татарскиПедал 😂
@@HeroManNickI32 Who's this? Your father?
@@Gotse.Delchev.RebornТова е Нико Иванов најголемио педал у Дупница 😂😂😂
@@HeroManNickI32 Your father?
@@Gotse.Delchev.Rebornnope it’s you look 👀 better сега си грцки педал Ника Иванова 😂ццццц
The answer to the question in this video is of course a BIG NO!!!. Modern so-called "Macedonians" of the Republic of North Macedonia are essentially Bulgarians who started calling themselves "Macedonians" in a Regional/political sense in the 19th century about 120 years ago.. There is NO CONNECTION with the ancient Greek Tribe of Macedonians of Alexander the Great from ancient Macedonia in northern Greece. Secondly ancient Macedonians disappeared during Roman times, many had settled in the cities Alexander had founded from Asia Minor to Afghanistan and India, and in Alexandria in Egypt. Those few Macedonian Greeks that remained in Greece just assimilated with their fellow Greeks.
ruclips.net/user/shortsE-KCyD1Ok8U?t=1&feature=share
These Ex Yugoslav Bulgar Tatar Slav Gypsy Hybrids from Vardaska decided they would like to steal the GREEK name Macedonia in the 1990's . Communist Jewish Dictator TITO invented them in the 1950's
And modern Bulgarians are also predominantly of paleo-balkan origin so your point is mute 😂
@@porterhouse937 No such thing as Paleo Balkan thats a made up word . They are BULGAR TATARS from TATARSTAN
@@mickeymouse1697 sure buddy ok, the balkan region had over 3 million estimated population before the great migrations, where do you think that population went? Mars?
I'm Macedonian, I can tell u for a fact. I'm full Macedonian that's it, how can u take someone seriously that's not Macedonian tell u about our history .. Wouldn't u like to know from the people that r from Macedonia, to tell u about us.. makes sense, u gona make up stories about God aswell and say his from another dimension or reality.. Madness , stick to knowing yourself first before u comment about other's..
Ancient Macedonians were Greeks, are they Greeks too?
*Macedonians* . Macedonian Genome*
"north macedonians" is not a thing hahaha
It actually is.
Macedonia is a geographical region.
North Macedonia is a country.
There can be Macedonians of different nationalities - Bulgarian, Greek, North Macedonian.
That's why one needs to specify.
@@sndmurderer FOR ALL MACEDONIANS MACEDONIA IS A COUNTRY WITH SEVERAL PARTS OCUPIED FROM ITS NEIBOURGHS ONLY ONE PART IS FREE AND IT WHERE WE MACEDONIANS CAN LIVE FREE OUR MACEDONIA
there is no such thing as n word macedonians,we are Macedonians and speak a Macedonian language even with the illegal "agreement" it states that but nice try racist
Visit the real Macedonia in Greece and find out the historical truth first hand. Numerous of archaeological sites and museums are available to reveal the greatness of the Macedonian antiquity. Taste the authentic Macedonian cuisine and wine. Feel the breeze of the Aegean. Try the real thing!
Sokje is Bulgarian not Macedonian Greek.
The "Modern north Macedonians" they migrated to the area of the Balkan 6 B.C, Alexander however died 900 years before… so how can the "modern north Macedonians" ( that for me and for a lot of people is more Bulgarians ) are related to the real Greek macedonia…. IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE ! Macedonia was Greece, it is very well stablished, it is historical truth …simple as that. So they are not the descendants of Alexander the Great, they are Slavs !
Can you quote or show in the original some document before the 19th century that the Slavs came to the Balkans in the 6th century. That fairy tale is no longer represented by any serious historian. This thesis was invented by the Germans in the 19th century. Since they were never a colonial power, they invented this as if they were natives in Europe and the Slavs were settlers. That is why they put the Bavarian Otto as the Greek king and invented "Hellenism" to establish a link with the ancient Hellenes. What an unparalleled precedent. Those who understood understood, and those who didn't should believe in fairy tales.
@@hunter2149 google is free and you can educate yourself my friend ! Make researches !!!
@@evanpirpiris2395Sorry my friend but there is not a single record in original on google to find before the 19th century that "some tribe of Slavs" for whom there are no records until the 6th century suddenly "migrates" to the south of Europe and becomes the dominant ethnic and cultural "group" in Europe
@@evanpirpiris2395 Or let me simplify the whole situation for you my friend . Why is there no data for Slavs before 6 century.
@@evanpirpiris2395 A clip from Tucker Carlson's interview with Russian President Putin can provide a better "picture" of history and politics. To the question "Why don't you go public with facts like what you say that Nord Stream sabotaged the USA and that the West is lying to its citizens about the reasons for the special military operation in Ukraine" was followed by the answer "It is difficult to 'fight' against Western propaganda. That's how the West, including the Vatican, has been falsifying history for centuries. Ask yourself now and that.:Why in the 21st century are the fraternal nations Russians and Ukrainians at war and not the British and the French, for example.
they are BULGARIAN BROTHER :D
Actually you are TATARIANS,MONGOL 😂
@@thetatarsarewhattheyseemmo7705 Dream
@@HeroManNick132
Only you are dreamer Tatar you can only dream about Macedonia 🇲🇰 but your real dreams are mongolian 🇲🇳 steppes 😂
@@thetatarsarewhattheyseemmo7705 You can only dream but the reality is another. If Bulgarians are Mongols so you are as well.
@@HeroManNick132
Error in steps as always. You Tatars shot yourself in the foot a long time ago when you accepted that Asparuh and those 20,000 Tatars were your ancestors. And it is an undeniable fact that you evolved from Tatars into Slavic Tatars because you accepted their language. That's how you turn the whole historical picture upside down because it's in your Asian blood. i To claim that the Slavs speak some Bulgarian dialect is the height of world stupidity. So if "we are Tatars" like you, from whom did you take the language.
The country of ... is incredibly diverse
Like every other country.
@@mellake7052 No, North Macedonia is a literal circus
N.Y.T....The center of Skopje, the capital of North Macedonia, a Balkan country born just 33 years ago as an independent state, is awash in history.
A statue of Alexander the Great looms over the central square. One of his father, Philip II of Macedon, towers above a nearby piazza atop an oversize pedestal. The city is also littered with tributes in bronze, stone and plaster to generations of other heroes from what the country sees as its glorious and very long history.very long history.
The problem, though, is that most of the history on display is claimed by other countries. Present-day North Macedonia, birthed by the breakup of Yugoslavia in the 1990s, has no real connection to Alexander the Great, who lived 2,000 years ago down the road in what is now Greece, and many of the other historical figures honored with statues are Bulgarian.⁶Slavica Babamova, the director of the national archaeological museum, has spent her career digging up and displaying ancient artifacts and has no problem focusing on the past. But she said she was unsettled by the plethora of statues, erected by her country in an effort to build a state and national identity.identity.
“We have such a rich history of our own - and so many things to say. But I don’t see any need to push all this overdone marketing,” she said, gesturing toward the Alexander the Great statue during an interview.
More important for North Macedonia and indisputably part of its history, she added, are the golden funeral mask and other stunning artifacts that predate Alexander and were found in an ancient necropolis near the village of Trebenishte in North Macedonia.
MACEDONIANS WERE HERE FROM ALL TIMES
“The Kingdom of the Slavs” by the Italian historian Mauro Orbini.
“Macedonians are Slavs”. According to Mauro Orbini and all the others he quotes, on the territory of Macedonia, Macedonians are Slavs and the Slavs are Macedonians, this means that Orbini leaves a mark of unity between the Macedonians and Slavs.
Author Jeremiah Ruso in the Chronicles of the Moscowians clearly says that the Russians, meaning Moscowians had the same language like the ancient Macedonians. This means that other authors spoke about similarities between ancient Macedonian and Slavic language as well. This approves the theory that on these Macedonian spaces and wider, the Slaves didn’t come from anywhere, but they had always been here, they just used different names and that in that „Slavic sea“ of VI and VII century, according to some sources, from the Karpaties the last waves of Slavs in Macedonia came and united with natives
Yes in the 15th century, Bulgarian Slavs had already been settled in the northern regions of Macedonia since the 7th century AD, thus Macedonia became part of the Bulgarian Empire, the Romanised Greeks of Macedonia (Romaoi) were pushed southwards. So Oribini was correct, he was referring to the Bulgariansof Macedonia. There is absolutely NO CONNECTION with the ancient Greek tribe of Macedonians - the people of Alexander the Great.
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 No, he was referring to the Proto Slavs who have always been in the Balkans, The only migrations were when some Slavs moved southwards to Morea (today's Greece). And by your obsessive rantings, there is absolutely NO CONNECTION between the modern Greeks (often referred to as Bavarian Greeks by historians) who are the descendants of the Albanians, Slavs, Vlachs, Roma, Jews, Turks and many others, not with the ancient Macedonian tribes, nor even with the ancient Greek tribes.
@@mellake7052 Proto-slavs came to the Balkans in the 6th century AD. Genetiic studies concerning proto-slavic genetic origins using a population-of-origin approach trace proto-slav populations back to the lands of tyepresent day Ukraine, thus supporting the hypothesis that places the homeland of the proto-slavs in the basin of the middle Dnieper in the Ukraine circa the middle of the first millenium AD
And as E. Borza states, *_"Modern slavs, both Bulgaria and Macedonian CANNOT establish a link with antiquity as the slavs entere the Balkans centurie AFTER the demise of the ancient Macedonian Kingdom"_*
Its already proven by Genetics that modern Greeks cluster genetically with several Italian populationsreflecting a common ancient Greco-Roman or Balkan-Italian heritage predating slavs. Greeks are also already proven to be 61% descendants of ancient Mycenaeans and 14% descendants of the later steppe proto-Greeks who migrated south from the proto-Greek area of north wesern Greece as Dorians arouind 1100 BC.
Of course there are minorities in Greece of Slavs (Wallachians, Bulgarians (Pomaks, slavo-makedonskis)), Jews, Roma and Turks. Turks number aboiut 98,000
Interesting comment. What is your view on the DNA results of many North Macedonians having substantial Greek DNA?
Is this a claim to the ancient people of the balkans or Greeks which were slavinised by the Bulgarian or Serbian empires?@@rafaellagaribaldi9391
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 The ridiculous Slavic migration theory, formulated in the 19th century for geopolitical reasons, has been debunked. The comparatively recent analysis of the Cretan Linear A tablet proves that "Slavs" were amongst the earliest inhabitants. Certainly, Greeks were not. I have given plenty of evidence on your Crete post - too long to post again. So your claims and your selected outdated quotation are false. And modern Greeks are proven to be 80% plus genetically connected to Albanians and Macedonians, their two closest neighbours.
Yet again our history proves that we got connection to ancient macedonia.Our history teaches that the slavs, anient macedonians and balkan people have mixed and become what we are today. We might not have ancient macedonian tradition nor speaking the language, but we got the most important thing which is the DNA.
DNA of what? Even the ancient samples from Paeonia (modern northern macedonia) plot closer to modern Greeks, not you. There is no cure for you, there is no cure for stupidity.
Bruh you are not Macedonian WE NORTHERN GREEKS ARE MACEDONIAN you just stole the name
@@laryq6657 Ancient greek authors described macedonians as a barbaric people and a non hellenic people who under no curcumstainces shoud be allowed in the olympics. Just as how the bulgarian tatars adopted the slavic language so did the native macedonians. Also, have you ever wondered where did the majority macedonian population in aegean macedonia just dissapear after world war one? Need i remind you of the macedonian genocide and the war crimes of metaksis? Greek people never formed a majority in that area.
Its the opposite. Culture is way more important for indetity not DNA. Us South slavs whatever the admixture are slavs. This research is only good to see why are we so differrent than other Slavs. We look different and other things.
@gangsteroldguy3965 There is no such a thing as a macedonian genocide and only Athenian writers had prejudices against the Macedonians for political reasons, Hesiod one of the earliest writers of Europe includes ancient Macedonians as Hellenic people. Enough with this hideous propaganda of yours, its disgusting and creepy, you guys are maniacs.
Please baloch DNA 🧬
If today someone tries the imaginary route by foot with all 21st century blessings might die middle passage. That someone could come in the 6th century here with all the wars happening its funny.
To me, They are Macedonians forever
Well they are Slav Macedonians (i.e Bulgarians). No connection with ancient Macedonians from northern Greece who were a northern Greek tribe.
So far what I know,Alexander The Great was KIng of Macedonia and Conquerer of "City Sates",so called Greece today ... He always give a speach to his soldiers in own "Macedonian" tonge,which is different than greek ... All Slavs from the Balknas are from Ancient natives of the Balkans (Illiryan) people,wrongly or maybe on purpose,called Southern Slavs just beacuse of simillar language to Slavic people of the North.Some of those Northern Slavs have Legends about forfathers that came from the Balkans(Poles,Chechs etc.) ... Rus or Russian in Macedonian literarly mean "Blonde/pale" ... So,anyway,if you talking about Bulgarians or Bulgars/Vulgars,that's Turkic people by origin and name is Turkic,like Bulgar Tatar.Modern days Bulgarians are from Trachian people and language is Trakian very simillar to Modern Macedonian ... I'm Bosniak from Bosnia and My DNA is partially Germanic and partially from them "Macedonians",not a greeks,right @@rafaellagaribaldi9391
Are you Spanish,maybe Romanian,beacuse of your name and last name
@@Bosniak803 Alexander gave his speeches to his own troops in the Macedonian dialect. The Macedonian language was an unrefined dialect of very early Greek called proto-Greek.
The Slavs of the Balkans actually can trace their lineage back to the Ukraine where the slavic speaking people originated. Northern slavs like Russians and are Slavic but they mixed with Scandinavians (e.g Swedes). The word Russian originates from the swedish Vikings alled the Rus with whom the Slavs mixed.
The Bulgarians are slavs. The slavs of the Balkans absorbed the Turkic Bulgars from the Volga. The Turkic Bulgars adopted the SLavic language but gave their name to the Slavic Balkan people who we now know as Bulgarians.
Slavic Macedonians of the Republic of North Macedonia are Bulgarians that settled in the regio of Macedonia.
Modern Macedonian language is essentially a dialect of Bulgarian.
Everyone in Europe is partly Germanic (North European). Greeks for example are 54% Germanic and the rest Mediterranean. Germans are72% Germanic and the rest Mediterranean.
@@Bosniak803 No, I'm Greek, from Macedonia in northern Greece
Greetings to the descendants of Alexander the Macedonian from Croatia 🇭🇷
🇲🇰🇭🇷💞
You are from North Macedonia.
Поздрави до Хрватска 🇭🇷 од Македонија 🇲🇰
@@GreatMK.Forever Северна*
@@HeroManNick132 Samo Makedonija.
Bosnians are the real slavs in the balkans!
Nah, most of them look like Middle Easterns and have Islam as main religion. ''Sure''
Bulgarians have Greek DNA.
Many people dont realize it but the real ancient maccedonians were the original Indo European hellens/Greeks. They introduce the Indo European language, religion towards natives in Balkan (neolithic Anatolians farmers and Mediterranean Pelasgians) this peoples soon created the Myceneans civilization in bronze age wich they adopted many Indo European culture and religious practices. Then they got conquered also by the Maccedonians dorians wich results in bronze age collapse
Dorians - Indo European Greeks
Aeolians - Pelasgians Mediterranean greeks
Ionians - neolithic Anatolians greeks
we realize that you don't know what you are talking about
ancient macedodians were a mix of 'aeolians' ionians' and 'indoeuropeans'
Mixed before the trojan war
@@jimjim3474 sure there is no pure race, but there called dominant or majority in every Group of people.. and Maccedonians were R1a Indo European by majority
@@skylinelover9276 r1a come with slavs in the balkans 1500 years ago
@@skylinelover9276 and all these about
'indoeuropeans' are just nonsesnses
"North Macedonians align most closely with Bulgarians' - what a surprice. Open any population map from just 100 years ago and you will be even more surprised - no existance of any Macedonians noted. Hmmn. Curiously why?
ruclips.net/video/ikxY8G1HRu0/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Cry a river
Pirin Region modern Bulgaria Macedonian descendants
@@Makedonce1989. Sorry, but the people living in Pirin region are not Turko-Albanians like you. They are Bulgarians and Bulgaro-Macedonians.
You bulgars are Tatars. Kiss your Khan
Do Italians
Аз съм Татарче казвам се Нико Иванов Педало
Аз съм Татарче и монголка
майка мене е родила;
с хубости, блага обилна
мойта родина е мила.
Аз съм Татарче. Обичам
наште планини зелени,
Татарин да се наричам -
първа радост е за мене.
Аз съм Татарче свободно,
в край свободен Дупница аз живея,
всичко Татарско и родно
любя, тача и милея.
Аз съм Татарче и расна
в дни велики, в славно време,
син съм на земя прекрасна,
син съм на монголско племе.
Това е в дневника на един Монголски Българин...Нико Иванов Педало
Овој не е македонски. Ова е турско-албански трол 👆
Ти си северномакедонско Турко-Албанче!
Ти си северномакедонско Турко-Албанче и
османска майка тебе е родила;
с хубости, блага обилна
твоята родина Анадолија е мила.
Ти си северномакедонско Турко-Албанче.
Обичаш Анадолските планини зелени,
Турко-Албанче от Северна Македонија да се наричаш -
първа радост е за тебе.
Ти си северномакедонско Турко-Албанче свободно,
в край Османски свободен ти живеш,
всичко Турко-Албанско
любиш, тачиш и милееш.
Ти си Турко-Албанче и раснеш
в дни велики, в славно време,
син си на земя Анадолска,
син си на Турко-Албанско племе.
Не бе. Аз съм Нико Иванов от Дупница, Българстан🇲🇳🇧🇬 😂
@@nikoivanovBG You are a funny Turk 👆🤣
@@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn Yes, it is us, the Bulgarians, the famous descendants of the Mongols and Turks 😂and Tatars almost forgot 😂
I came here from your tik tok handsome guy, but just know that you're not right Macedonia was made to change to north in 2019 but the people are Macedonians, language is Macedonian and any other thing with adjective Macedonian. Look it up 😙
@IEthereal That's correct. Although the country has been blackmailed into adding the descriptor "North" to its name (since its has been separated from the south which was annexed to Greece after the 1912/1913 Balkan wars), the so-called "agreement" stipulates that the people are still to be called Macedonians (not "North" Macedonians) and their language is still to be called the Macedonian language.
@@mellake7052 Thanks Mel 🥰
I think you were Australian Macedonian? Respect for defending Macedonia!!!
@@IEthereaI 👍🙋♀
@@IEthereaI
Monkeydonskis of the world unite 🙉🌍🤝
@@mellake7052 Come to Skopje, if you have the balls.
2:48 😆🍸поздрави от България 😉
Туркомонголски татари
Поздрав од славна Македонија 👑
@@IEthereaI 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@IEthereaI Ускубски турко-албанец, мислещ се за античен македонец 😂
@@IEthereaI Обсебена!
Please Baloch DNA
Well the modern country called Republic of North Macedonia is rather mixed. 52% or a SLavic fok related to Bulgarians, 29% are Albanians, 10% are Serbs the rest are Turks and Roma (Gypsies). The region of Republic of North Macedonia is what was originally ancient Paeonia. The ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia of Alexander the Great is in northern Greece, and the ancient Macedonians were of Greek stock and proto-Greek speakers. DNAof the slavic speaking folk of the Republic of North Macedonia reveals that it is the same as Bulgarian with some Serbian.
Well, the modern country of "Greece" is rather mixed. Almost half are descended from the Christian Albanians (Arvanites) who lived there for centuries, and a large Slavic presence in the Peloponnese (and some islands) who "over-ran" the place, (the 'Slavs' in the north, which only recently has been part of Greece due to the spoils of war, have been there for millennia) as well as the Turks, Jews, Vlachs, Roma, Arabs and North Africans who have populated the place for centuries (not to be confused with recent arrivals.) Then, of course, we have those other recent arrivals - the 1,600,000 multi-ethnic, multi-lingual Asia Minor refugees, most of whom were settled in Northern Greece (formerly the southern part of Macedonia). Alexander the Great was a Macedonian, not a Greek and has never been referred to as a Greek in any ancient source. The DNA of the folk of the former Morea - today's Greece, reveals that it is the same as Albanians, Kosovars, Macedonians, Bulgarians and Turks, and to a slightly lesser extent to the Asians of Asia Minor, the North Africans and the Middle Easterners.
Well the modern country called Tataro I mean Bulgaria is a mix between Macedonians, Turks & Gypsies
@@mellake7052 Firstly Arvanites were a not Albanians. We know this because the Geographer Alfred Philippson mentions that Arvanites had names and especially adjectives that are almost exclusively Greek. Although the Arvanites spoke a dialect of Albanian their language and especially that of the Souliotes was full o Greek words, the Albanians had started mixing with the local Greeks within two generations from the time they arrived in Greece in the 14th century.
The Geographer Alfred Philippson estimated the number of Arvanites in the whole of Greece in 1890 to be 10%.
H.P. Korylos estimated the Arvanites in the Peloponnese at about 7%
The "Handbook of Greece 1918, Naval staff-Intelligence Division", in analyzing the ethnography of Greece, Arvanites did not exceed 1/12 of the Greek population (approx 8.5%) at the time BEFORE the unification of Greece, population exchanges etc.
Slavs did not seem to have had much of an impact in Greece as some have theorised. Genetics and DNA confirm that the population of the peloponnese cluster with several ITalian populations such as Abruzzo Italians, Tuscans and Sicilians, - populations which are devoid of SLavic admixture.
Yes Greece has small minorities of Turks, Slavs, and Walachians from Romania, Crete certainly came under Arab occupation for a time but the Arabs were eventually ousted from Crete by the Byzantines.
Yes approxomately 1,600,000 Asia Minor Greeks were expelled from the ancient Greek cities of Asia Minor by the Ottoman Turks and returned to Greece .
Of course Alexander the Great was Greek, any historian will tell you that.
Of course ancient sources refer to Alexander the Great and the Macedonians as Greeks speaking the Greek language. E.g. Diodorus Sicilus - The Historian
As has been shown in multipl DNA studies, the Greek folk of the Peloponnese cluster with several Italian populations. Populations which are devoid of Slavic input, thus confirming that the effect of the SLavic invasion of Greece had minimal impact on the Greek population.
@@vasilmirmidonski2740 Slavo-Macedonians ARE Bulgarians. They are of Bulgarian stock with about 10% Serbian admixture..
@@mellake7052 if we are mixed as you say.....what are you?????Slavs,Hellenes,gypsies and Turks
Actual proof that macedonians are much closer related with the ancient macedonians than the nearby nations would like to believe. Its no secret that macedonians and bulgarians are quite similar linguistically but greek populations and albanian? Lands that had a lot less mixing with the slavic people? Thus proving that geneticaly the ancient macedonians are close to modern day macedonians even with all the mixing. The same thing also happened in bulgaria, where the tatar population adopted the language of the slavs. Ancient greek writers themselves described the macedonian people as a barbaric and a non-helenic nation even not allowing them to play in the olympics untill Alexander the great conquered them. There was never a significant greek population in modern day southern macedonia up untill the great exange of populations after the greco-turkish war and the majority of that area was macedonian, which were later killed off or forced to migrate in the macedonian genocide. Just ask the children of migrants in Lerin, Kostur, Voden what they were subject to and how they were forced to leave their identity or face consequences. There are two sides to every story, and while i dont have any hatred towards any ethnic group it is very important to understand that there are reasons why no neighbouring country would want a sovereign macedonian state.
bro the southern 'northen macedonians ' are assimilated greeks(greek speaking and vlah speaking)
do you try to convice us that ancient macedonians spoke 'slav';
why not vlah;
@@jimjim3474 you are gypsy
Long live Macedonia brothers and sisters in Christ 🇲🇰☦️🌟👑🦁
@@IEthereaI 🤡