How to Solder Mill-Max Hotswap Sockets (0305 & 7305) on keyboard PCBs

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  • @homerowco.1957
    @homerowco.1957 4 года назад +143

    just put them on the switch first... *facepalm ;)

    • @keybonbon
      @keybonbon  4 года назад +20

      I’ve found I’m faster at it when I insert directly into the pcb first, but I know that’s really tedious for some, so good tip! :)

    • @homerowco.1957
      @homerowco.1957 4 года назад +52

      @@keybonbon you're missing the benefits of it - you pre align the socket correctly to fit the pins when inserting the switches for one but you also insert the pin all the way - sure, you're faster but then you have the bend pin issue later on when you insert the switches because that one socket just lays in a bad way and keeps on stopping the pin. ;)
      (you should also recommend a much smaller solder tip and to remove them you should use a thin wire like the leg of a diode and pull it out with it)

    • @keybonbon
      @keybonbon  4 года назад +64

      sold! Thanks a lot for sharing this and explaining the benefits in a constructive way. I wish YT would let me overlay text like it used to so I could share this, but the best I can do is pin your comment, and down the line I’ll probably make a follow up video to cover this and a few other things I missed (i.e recommending thin wire like you mentioned- I used .5mm in this case). Have a lovely day :)

    • @anthonvanderneut
      @anthonvanderneut 4 года назад

      @@keybonbon Could it be that the (very) difficult to fit switches would fit better if the sockets were better aligned? Or is this just because of switch pin thickness?

    • @bewatter3014
      @bewatter3014 3 года назад +1

      @@keybonbon hey keybonbon, thanks for the video... i am a noob from germany
      could u please explain me againg what @homerow was tryin to say in easy words?
      because i will build my first costum keyboard... and wanted to try the method you used in your video
      i dont want to mess up big time while trying :-/

  • @Teknickel
    @Teknickel 4 года назад +44

    Awww yeaaaaaahh, a quality guide that doesn't look like it was recorded with a camcorder from 2005

  • @JPageauBienvenu
    @JPageauBienvenu 4 года назад +87

    Thank you for spending the time, effort and money to cover this as thoroughly as you did.

  • @ChubiPanda
    @ChubiPanda 4 года назад +14

    Brilliant video. I've watched hundreds of keyboard related how-to and none have covered mill max sockets!

  • @jw_25
    @jw_25 4 года назад +17

    Great video! I personally did it differently. I used tweezers to place the Mill-Max sockets into the PCB, but put a strip of heat resistant tape over a row of them, then repeated for the other 4 rows of my WhiteFox 65% keeb. Flipped the PCB over to the underside, and began soldering away. I repeated the process for the two-pin LED sockets as well. The end result was a completely hot-swappable WhiteFox. Very happy.

    • @wyletwo
      @wyletwo 3 года назад +1

      oh that sounds much nicer, I was dreading having to desolder every time I got some in the socket

    • @julian23561
      @julian23561 2 года назад

      I was thinking about the tape on the board to hold them up, thanks for the confirmation.

  • @papi6518
    @papi6518 4 года назад +9

    id recommend using a push pin to insert the socket in and taping them down with thermal tape. using switches takes or tweezers take way too long and you may lose a few during that process. having them taped down allows you to solder all at once and add more force to properly secure and use more force to push the sockets in further. you think that it's all the way down but really it's not. hope this helps!

    • @keybonbon
      @keybonbon  4 года назад

      Good tip, I’ll try that some time!

  • @andrewhkm1
    @andrewhkm1 4 года назад +2

    Hands down one of the most informative keyboard channels you can find. Thank you!

  • @b1_ferg
    @b1_ferg 3 года назад +1

    Dude, seriously? Just wow. 👏👏👏
    Thank you for taking the time to do this. Holy crap! Your channel is impressing me more and more. Thanks a bunch for all the great info!

  • @woyaodapian
    @woyaodapian 4 года назад +6

    That's really a great and thoughtful video. Shelf off many man hours for others.

  • @DarcyPhilippon
    @DarcyPhilippon 4 года назад +11

    You should do a video talking about your equipment (soldering iron, desoldering gun, etc.)

    • @keybonbon
      @keybonbon  4 года назад +3

      Great idea! I’ll do that some time for sure :)

    • @BenjaminWolfeOnGoogle
      @BenjaminWolfeOnGoogle 4 года назад

      @@keybonbon Yes… for the moment, what magnifying goggles do you recommend?
      This looks a lot like what I see at 1:47…
      www.amazon.com/YOCTOSUN-Rechargeable-Magnifying-Professional-Interchangeable/dp/B07T4KPYN2

  • @kbr8ck
    @kbr8ck 4 года назад +1

    thanks so much for the video. From what I can tell, it is the second number that states the size. So 0395-0 is the same size as 7305-0 and both are much smaller than 0305-2.

  • @keybonbon
    @keybonbon  4 года назад +46

    Table of Contents:
    0:15 Side by side of 7305 and 0305
    0:58 How to install and solder Mill Max sockets (step by step)
    3:35 How to desolder Mill Max sockets
    4:30 Switch compatibility test and results

    • @bullmoos211
      @bullmoos211 3 года назад

      You didn't mention the difference in difficulty between the two socket sizes with each switch. Are the end results the same for both sizes?

  • @erotunr
    @erotunr 3 года назад +1

    Mill max is a great product to make your board hotswap. Been using for awhile now. It also works if you screw up the pad on the pcb too

  • @paulstrong2210
    @paulstrong2210 4 года назад +1

    Baller video. I am making the Milk macropad and I decided to convert my canoe at the same time, so this is super helpful, especially your switch list. Thanks!

  • @wanzai567
    @wanzai567 4 года назад +5

    Good one, I could have used that switch compatibility overview to set some realistic expectations. A Cream broke for me, and my batch of box whites also don't really go into them.

  • @thewhiteapparation
    @thewhiteapparation 4 года назад +4

    Love this video. It has the right amount of detail, and super easy to understand. Keep it up!

  • @revraitah
    @revraitah 4 года назад +2

    You’re very underrated man. Keep it up!

  • @bobertbolero
    @bobertbolero 4 года назад

    Thanks to the sockets surge of availability and this video I was able to complete my first board with sockets!

  • @Spencer-wc6ew
    @Spencer-wc6ew 2 года назад

    I'm desoldering switches from an existing keyboard and putting these in their place. So they can't just slide into the holes as it's really hard to get every bit of solder out.
    I found that putting an awl (the kind used for sewing) in the top of the switch can help you gently slide it into place while you're heating up the solder.
    Hanging the keyboard over your desk and holding the awl up with your leg also helped me solder on the back side without it sliding out. (There is very little leeway on this case, so I needed the sockets to be as far down as they can get without force.)

    • @Spencer-wc6ew
      @Spencer-wc6ew 2 года назад

      Another trick I've found if it's sticking up a little too much is to put kapton tape over the socket tightly, then set a chisel tipped soldering iron over it, The tape keeps solder from going into the socket.

  • @smashingpumpkinsxD
    @smashingpumpkinsxD 3 месяца назад

    Thanks for avoiding me from wasting time and damaging my keyboard trying to do it with cream yellows

  • @haurjie
    @haurjie 3 года назад

    Hey really great video! Millmaxing is one of the things in custom boards I have yet to do. Will refer back to this video once I do :)

  • @flyingwhales1991
    @flyingwhales1991 3 года назад

    Wow thanks so much for this video. Can't wait till I mod my anne pro 2! So informative

  • @XLParadise
    @XLParadise 2 года назад

    Me: how’s difficult is it to insert cherry blue?
    Cherry blue: yes

  • @SynergistN7
    @SynergistN7 3 года назад

    Lovely, think I'll solder the 7305's into the KBD8X pcb to make it hotswap.

  • @k.c4931
    @k.c4931 3 года назад

    Not gonna lie this video saved my ass from buying these for my box Jades. Thanks!

  • @Camdem
    @Camdem 3 года назад +1

    great video. would love to see a similar video with the 3305 sockets which were designed for mx switches

    • @katanalama2174
      @katanalama2174 2 года назад

      What's the difference?

    • @Camdem
      @Camdem 2 года назад

      @@katanalama2174 3305 were designed specifically for hotswapping keyboards. I think they're a little bit lower profile

    • @katanalama2174
      @katanalama2174 2 года назад

      @@Camdem ah okay

  • @mechgroupbuys1793
    @mechgroupbuys1793 4 года назад +3

    Very helpful!

  • @madyogi6164
    @madyogi6164 9 месяцев назад

    I'm just about to start with more 'serious' mechanical keyboards and was wondering what's with the ones where manufacturer put switches directly into the PCB. So there is a way out - desolder and buy the sockets. Thank-s for sharing.

  • @nickmandeville6216
    @nickmandeville6216 3 года назад

    This is a quality video.

  • @jtechmkb
    @jtechmkb 3 года назад

    gonna try this on the keychron k2.. thanks man!

  • @izzurzuhri
    @izzurzuhri 3 года назад +1

    SWITCH COMPATIBILITY:
    CHERRY BLUE ? YES 🤣

  • @ChrisHalden007
    @ChrisHalden007 Год назад

    Great video. Thanks

  • @AtomicSymphonic
    @AtomicSymphonic 3 года назад

    I have seen a few other guides claim that you need to simply push in the sockets with a heated soldering iron and not use any solder... Yet this video, you're using solder to keep the sockets in place... Which is correct?

  • @alpacamale2909
    @alpacamale2909 3 года назад

    killer intro

  • @niqu9814
    @niqu9814 2 года назад

    Which solder did you use I saw that thinner solder makes it easier to solder these sockets but yours is not linked. Would love to know :)

  • @mooshkeys
    @mooshkeys 3 года назад

    Awesome video, thank you.

  • @howardsohn
    @howardsohn 4 года назад +2

    Hi, I got those exact 0305's and found one of the legs on Zealios and Gateron switches to be too big to insert into the Millmax sockets. Do I just need to use more force to insert it?

    • @keybonbon
      @keybonbon  4 года назад +2

      hey! I updated the spreadsheet to put the zealios V2 in the “Difficult” category. It turns out the ones I tested were V1s. Which gateron switches were you having difficulty with?

    • @howardsohn
      @howardsohn 4 года назад

      @@keybonbon Gat Browns. Not sure if there's a version...

    • @keybonbon
      @keybonbon  4 года назад

      Howard Sohn ah interesting, gateron browns were one of the ones I tested and they seemed to insert with little force, any chance the pins were maybe not aligned when you were inserting them? I’ll give it another shot tomorrow on a fresh set of sockets to double check

    • @TROY-MCCLURE-1991
      @TROY-MCCLURE-1991 4 года назад

      @@howardsohn you can tell which Gateron Browns your are using. If it has a black bottom housing those are regular, opaque white housing are milky switches, clear housing for RGB, and milky bottom and clear top are SMD switches.

  • @CommanderVinegar
    @CommanderVinegar 3 года назад

    Really informative content

  • @kravenaaa1986
    @kravenaaa1986 3 года назад

    Hi
    Can you also teach us how to desolder millmax? Is that easy?

  • @disasterbean
    @disasterbean 4 года назад +1

    very informative :)

  • @ajshell2
    @ajshell2 3 года назад

    Strange how the NK Blueberries are rated "low" while the NK Creams are rated "Difficult". I was under the impression that they had roughly the same housing.

  • @marcelruhfass977
    @marcelruhfass977 2 года назад

    Can you test a switch that is called anubis switch because they are not on the list and im not sure if they will work

  • @sin1502
    @sin1502 3 года назад

    Do you think we can millmax a Logitech switch? I think they use Omrons.

  • @nicholasm8946
    @nicholasm8946 3 года назад

    Dont zealios and zilents have the same housing?

  • @jeremyccc
    @jeremyccc Год назад

    what thickness solder wire do you use?

  • @SantaClause-m9h
    @SantaClause-m9h 3 месяца назад

    far more costly (3xmore on digikey) than the pcb sockets but hell yeah worth it.

  • @Roux-yg1rs
    @Roux-yg1rs 2 года назад

    is the jwk yellow will work on those socket?

  • @bandittree
    @bandittree 3 года назад

    "Cherry Blue: Difficult - Yes"

  • @animationcanceling
    @animationcanceling 3 года назад

    Is it safe to solder in a mill max in 2 empty sockets while all the other sockets have millmax AND switches in them? I accidentally soldered in the millmax in the sockets for a stepped capslock and I want to solder in mill maxes for the other 2 sockets which aren't meant for stepped capslock. I REALLY don't want to remove the switches out from the rest of the board because it's perfectly functional atm and some of the millmax is feeling a little lose so I don't want to take them out...

    • @chrisgalvez7735
      @chrisgalvez7735 3 года назад

      Most definitely it's safe! Just take your time. It's really no different than soldering all your switches in one go.

    • @animationcanceling
      @animationcanceling 3 года назад

      @@chrisgalvez7735 thank you!

  • @otonalencar5145
    @otonalencar5145 2 года назад

    Very cool video! See I have this Logitech g810 that a really like, but the romer g switches are getting bad after almost five years. They are nice to type on but most key caps have broken Latches and I even had to glue some caps to the switches because they have no latches left to hold in place.. a bummer... I was wondering if I cloud turn it into swappable. Is it possible?

    • @danielthoin
      @danielthoin Год назад

      Logitech sends you a patch of new keycaps if you contact them.

  • @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017
    @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 4 года назад

    Can you reuse previously soldered Cherry switches with sockets or will the residual solder mess up the socket insertion?

  • @SNIPEYOPIPE
    @SNIPEYOPIPE Год назад

    I plan on cracking open my Corsair K100. You just saved my life and showed me so much new stuff I wanna try for my first try. I wish I could just pay someone to do this for me to be honest. Great video! Thanks!

  • @davidnguyen5936
    @davidnguyen5936 3 года назад

    Found that Zealios v2 are very difficult, when you tested compatibility did you mean v1 or v2?

  • @kshin8088
    @kshin8088 3 года назад

    Do tealios, holy bobas, and banana splits work?

  • @qayyumqoys562
    @qayyumqoys562 3 года назад

    thanks bro

  • @benjaminlima5326
    @benjaminlima5326 2 года назад

    what about outemu red

  • @NERO-ez1mn
    @NERO-ez1mn 4 года назад

    test the RAZER swtches please

  • @Dip-it
    @Dip-it 3 года назад

    Do you use flux to make things go smoother?

  • @prokopf-9332
    @prokopf-9332 6 месяцев назад

    I just fucked up, i went specifically around for a very specific board with specific layout, costet me quite a bit of extra money and research. I bought everything, and just as i was about to solder the few millmaxes i went to this video again (first saw it 2 years ago) and see that the kailh box i want to use have bad compatability... I just checked and damn, they dont go in really, the fixing pins of the switch are loose. Maybe its fine with the plate, but damn, really dissappointed....

  • @changye9604
    @changye9604 4 года назад

    am I able to do this on a pre sautered keyboard?

  • @NERO-ez1mn
    @NERO-ez1mn 4 года назад

    razer switches please

  • @diane519
    @diane519 3 года назад

    Anyone here tired to make a Think6.5 V2 hotswap? Did it worked? And how was it?

  • @midas.2280
    @midas.2280 3 года назад

    will the 0305 fit on Anne Pro 2 pcb?

  • @raquelk1270
    @raquelk1270 2 года назад

    Has someone tried this with zelios with success?

  • @gpj7580
    @gpj7580 4 года назад

    Cherry blue difficulty? Yes.

  • @curiouscrafter8792
    @curiouscrafter8792 4 года назад

    One question will this work on every keyboard?

    • @keybonbon
      @keybonbon  4 года назад

      It will work on virtually all custom boards, but I’m not sure how well it will work on pre builts. Also I wouldn’t do this on either a half plate or plate less build or on any build that has a lot of flex as that will mess with the friction of the sockets

  • @snapandupload
    @snapandupload 4 года назад

    You're amazing! Subscribed!

    • @keybonbon
      @keybonbon  4 года назад

      Haha no YOU’RE amazing thanks a lot!

  • @SLO_MZ3
    @SLO_MZ3 4 года назад

    1:52 I thought that's one hot iron but then you said imperial

  • @raffy7606
    @raffy7606 3 года назад

    Im gonna buy a kailh instead

  • @user-cm6cj7oe8e
    @user-cm6cj7oe8e 2 года назад

    Its expensive as hell

  • @option_n
    @option_n 4 года назад

    You are a butcher with the solder... 😝

  • @Nik.ff.
    @Nik.ff. 3 года назад +15

    God I love tutorials like this. Short, straight to the point, high quality and informative. Thank you

  • @NERO-ez1mn
    @NERO-ez1mn 4 года назад

    razer switches please

  • @youhaspokemon
    @youhaspokemon 4 года назад +5

    Very well made video! Definitely the first video I've seen about mill-max sockets, insta-sub!

  • @alexlorenlee
    @alexlorenlee 4 года назад +3

    Great video and great timing! It's kind of sad when you buy an awesome keyboard but dread desoldering switches to customize it, I will likely being doing this to many of my keyboards :)

  • @neuropathical
    @neuropathical Год назад +1

    Cherry blue difficulty: Yes
    intentional or just crazy difficult?

  • @prognostics
    @prognostics 3 года назад +23

    Nobody ever needs to make a video about this again, this is flawless. Thank you

  • @Charentule
    @Charentule 4 года назад +4

    Cherry Blue difficulty: YES

    • @keybonbon
      @keybonbon  4 года назад

      Lol typo :p fixed in the spreadsheet

  • @theSEGAtwistisover9k
    @theSEGAtwistisover9k 4 года назад +2

    man i'm starting to regret getting box jades haven't even used them yet... sigh.😑😔

  • @wiwinwintarsih2086
    @wiwinwintarsih2086 3 года назад +1

    Old video but still worth

  • @tayz8766
    @tayz8766 3 года назад +1

    nice tutorial but instead of doing all that and buying the tools, i might aswell get a new keyboard

    • @adoksym
      @adoksym 2 года назад

      In the realm of custom keyboards where you can easily spend hundreds of dollars, soldering your own mill max sockets is still interesting for many. This also applies to cheaper but very special devices like macropads. Don't draw conclusions about others too easily.

  • @fernandochavez3221
    @fernandochavez3221 3 года назад +1

    Hello nice video
    mi question is:
    this can be used for mouse (similary at Rog chakram by ASUS)

  • @luisromero9507
    @luisromero9507 4 года назад +1

    I'm thinking on doing this to the Ducky mecha mini and the Durgod Venus. I really love both boards but i was wondering if it's worth it.

  • @geeklevelasiantech
    @geeklevelasiantech 3 года назад

    Hey love this video and thanks for the info. Subscribing now. I have a Durgod Fusion (not hot swap) board, and I'd love to install Mill Max's. But they already have sockets in them. How do I get those out?

  • @OldGum
    @OldGum 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for this video. Great detail, easy to understand your explanations & full of useful info! I've been wanting to start modding my red led corsair k70 recently so being able to have the switches hotswapable is a game changer!

  • @DustinVang
    @DustinVang 4 года назад +2

    this video was a life saver when i did my kbd67, Thanks a lot!

    • @keybonbon
      @keybonbon  4 года назад +1

      Glad you found it useful! Thanks for watching :)

    • @DustinVang
      @DustinVang 4 года назад

      KeyBonbon thank you!

  • @Miabeloved
    @Miabeloved 3 года назад

    Interesting I probably wont change switched tho now that i haeve l+f alpacas that imma solder soon

  • @chrheca
    @chrheca 20 дней назад

    what if the switch has LEDs? I assume there will be additional sockets that feed power into the RGB contact points for the LED?

  • @stefanmrvic4652
    @stefanmrvic4652 Год назад

    How should I go with making my Redragon Aryaman K569 RGB Hotswappable? I don't know which sockets to get for 4-pin RGB diodes. Can you please help?

  • @lovidore
    @lovidore 4 года назад +1

    Thank you very much for such an informative video. I look forward to great things coming from this channel.

  • @xiroshimaa
    @xiroshimaa 3 года назад

    Is it possible to do this on HyperX alloy origins core?

  • @dhanieldiaz5125
    @dhanieldiaz5125 2 года назад

    First excuse me for my bad English from Google Translate xD... These types of "sockets" are made to be placed on boards that were not designed to be placed with hotswap sockets such as Kailh or Gateron? In other words, by placing this type of Mill-Max socket where the switch would normally be soldered directly, would our board, which is not designed to be hotswap, now be?

  • @MegaLadysman1234
    @MegaLadysman1234 4 года назад +1

    FYI, Linjar switches, which are a recolored gateron yellow for the most part, have one pin that is too wide to work with these sockets. You have to file the pin down to make them fit.

    • @keybonbon
      @keybonbon  4 года назад

      cool thanks for letting me know! I added to spreadsheet :)

  • @mellyell
    @mellyell 4 года назад +2

    Very well done! keep it up!

  • @stobe187
    @stobe187 Год назад

    Thinking of converting my Ducky Shine 7 into a hotswappable board.. I've grown a bit bored of the mx blues.

  • @IronCan88
    @IronCan88 3 года назад

    I am wondering is it possible to just insert all the millmax sockets (no switches) for the entire pcb then just put masking tape on the flush side to ensure flush fit. Then turn pcb around and solder everything at once. This way you ensure all sockets are flat regardless of any possibility of bent pin on defective switches, and soldering all sockets at once should cut down one total installation time. Let me know what you think.
    PS: if you are worried about mistakenly soldering I to the socket opening, maybe try insert one tooth pick in each pair of the socket you are soldering, then just move them from socket to socket before soldering.

  • @pratikbhusal2711
    @pratikbhusal2711 4 года назад +2

    Hi could you please test the difficulty of Aliaz switches?

    • @keybonbon
      @keybonbon  4 года назад +1

      hey I actually have some aliaz switches on the way for a vid comparing all silent tactiles, I’ll test them as soon as they arrive :)

  • @Christiantheone
    @Christiantheone 2 года назад

    Can you update on the new mill-max sizes for kailh. Which would you suggest 7305 or 3305-x varuajtv

  • @Alekouzos
    @Alekouzos 2 года назад

    wow what a video. Question. I have an Razer Blackwindow V3 TKL and i want to make it hot swap. Which i need to get?

  • @otter-pro
    @otter-pro Год назад

    Thanks for the video. I just ordered 0305 from Mouser for my dz60 keyboard.