EZDrummer 3's Grid Editor vs. your DAW's Piano Roll | Which is better for you?

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  • Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2024

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  • @ShootieSchool
    @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад +3

    Toontrack themed live stream the first Saturday of every month: ruclips.net/user/shootieschoollive
    Additional Info on this video:
    An additional reason to keep to keep EZD3 active (with midi or not) is so you can automate knobs, buttons, and slider via CC Values.
    Also a handy way to get midi from your DAW back into EZD3 is to hit record in EZD's Song Track, and play your DAW. Literally rerecording the midi back into the Song Track.

  • @andreashenseler
    @andreashenseler 3 месяца назад +3

    Thanks for your time and effort making these great videos. Everytime I hit a wall in EZD-3 I find a video some live stream in your channel that points me in the right direction.
    I'm looking forward to the next live stream.

  • @Sven.Jeschke
    @Sven.Jeschke 3 месяца назад +2

    Looking forward to your Grid Editor course! :-)

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад +1

      Me too... current working on it! Thanks!

  • @frankpratte8358
    @frankpratte8358 3 месяца назад +2

    This video is golden. Great discussion of the grid editor features and advantages.
    In Reaper you can freeze EZDrummer's track to audio without having to move the midi out of EZDrummer.
    Yes, working with regions to arrange/add/move sections is the reason to move the midi to Reaper for me. But, most of time I just leave the midi in EZDrummer and deal with the extra steps of copy and paste separately in EZD when rearranging song sections in Reaper. It is a bit of a jigsaw puzzle for me with my workflow. I write and record songs at the same time. For example, I might only have a verse, but I'll go ahead and add all the tracks of the arrangement... I call it working vertically whereas most songwriters work horizontally if you will. And, I like to work on drum fills, variations, dynamics, as my last step in the recording/arranging process. So It makes sense for me to leave the drum midi in Reaper.

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад

      Thank you, Frank! Good to know about Freezing in Reaper.

  • @Sevi-Swiss
    @Sevi-Swiss Месяц назад +1

    You do really fantastic tutorials. Thank you so much !

  • @mikecess1425
    @mikecess1425 3 месяца назад +3

    Studio one allows you to change the piano roll to a drum view, create your own or load the individual drum note names , with a lot of the toontrack expansion pack kits note names available in presonus exchange from other studio one users. It also has a ‘hide unused’ feature allowing you to hide all drum pieces that have no midi notes allowing you to just work and view the kit pieces being played. I like to bounce between both daw drum view and superior’s grid editor with my work flow style.

  • @tommyolsson2958
    @tommyolsson2958 2 месяца назад +1

    Hey Sean, about bandmate and dragging audio and midi into it… Studio One let’s you do that seamlessly directly from a track without having to export anything. Studio One ftw!🤩

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  Месяц назад

      On PC for people with Melodyne installed I know it works in Studio One. I don't think all will have the same experience though.

  • @DavidGallagherLive
    @DavidGallagherLive 3 месяца назад +1

    I love the combination of logic and EZ3 and everything you teach is super helpful, thank you so much 🙏🏻🎸

  • @ShiningHourPop
    @ShiningHourPop 2 месяца назад +1

    Great video Shawn. I use the EZDrummer 3 grid editor as it has so many more tweaking options than Logic. Also, you can replace MIDI far easier if a groove isn’t working so well.

  • @stephenblack9843
    @stephenblack9843 3 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for all you do man. It's great having one reliable source for all things toontrack. Learn something every time I watch

  • @Agent36
    @Agent36 3 месяца назад +2

    Your vids have really helped me. Keep going.

  • @simonk8
    @simonk8 3 месяца назад +1

    Another great video, thanks. Cubase also has a full featured arrangement tool.

  • @braxal6983
    @braxal6983 3 месяца назад

    love it!!! I want more videos like this!

  • @reedengle6134
    @reedengle6134 3 месяца назад +1

    I prefer the EZ Drummer editor over the Logic piano roll however at the very end you mentioned that there is an easy way to edit entire sections in Logic. That doesn’t change the fact that I’ll continue to edit in EZ Drummer but after learning more about that it will change my work flow. Thanks dude.

  • @teashea1
    @teashea1 3 месяца назад +1

    A very good, interesting video.
    I have produced and distributed nine albums in the last year. Most of them use EZDrummer and EZKeys.
    I use the grid editor in both EZKeys and EZDrummer. I think that the grid editor does everything I need. (I use Reaper). I like to import the finished tracks from EZ into my Reaper project. To me it is simple and effective.

  • @davidoswald2155
    @davidoswald2155 3 месяца назад

    Excellent information the freeze tracks stuff especially!

  • @colleenvarlow8764
    @colleenvarlow8764 3 месяца назад +1

    I use grid editor, but don't know enough about drums yet. Thanks Shawn.

  • @PlectrumShorts
    @PlectrumShorts 3 месяца назад

    Lots of helpful stuff in this one, Shawn.
    One “cheat” that I use (and it may be entirely ridiculous, haha) is to keep a track below any EZ tracks I have with the song sections I’m using currently. So a track with the verse, chorus, bridge, and any variations. Then copy/paste a section to the active EZ track as needed. I should mention that I do a lot of writing in Reaper so that sort of “rapid fire” arranging helps a lot because I can’t tell Bonzo to play the verse part 3 times this time. Haha.
    I say it may be a ridiculous solution because I might be missing a faster/easier way to do that sort of operation but it’s a quick flow for me.

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад

      I need to check out one of your sessions one of these days.

  • @glennlittle7955
    @glennlittle7955 3 месяца назад +1

    On the arrangement side:
    The problem of (lack of) synchronisation between daw and EZ can be sidestepped if no move or copy is required in the daw's timeline. Lots of daws have something called an arranger but Cubase and Cakewalk (grab it while it's still free) have the genuine article. They allow you to create or experiment with arrangements by calling sections anywhere on the timeline, including calling the same section more than once. You can create multiple such arrangements without changing anything on your timeline. (Eg arr 1 calls the sections: v1, v2, c1, ending. arr2 is: v2, c1, v1, c1, c2, alternative fade out ending.) You can either write each arrangement out linearly to a project's timeline (which would then of course no longer be synchronised to EZ) or just render them to wav, mp3, etc without having to do that.
    The SWS extensions in Reaper have the region playlist which is more limited (and sometimes error prone) but does provide some of this functionality.
    What I've described here probably does not solve all synchronisation problems but it helps sidestep or greatly postpone most of them.
    Perhaps (perhaps...) the synchronisation problem could be solved more generally with ARA? Is there any talk of ARA coming to EZ Drummer?

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад +1

      Diversity is good. I appreciate the comment. As for Toontrack, they don't talk about anything to come until it's here. We'll see what the future brings.

    • @glennlittle7955
      @glennlittle7955 2 месяца назад

      @@ShootieSchool Yeah it will be interesting to see what they come up with next time round.
      In case there was any misunderstanding btw I wasn't dissing any daws and in particular not Reaper (which I use a lot). I just saying that the if one uses an arranger such as the ones I described you don't have to move things around the daw's timeline and therefore don't lose synchronistion with EZD3.
      Another great video btw, one of the best so far for me. Keep 'em coming.

  • @Armeeof1
    @Armeeof1 3 месяца назад +1

    Ableton 12 recently added a bunch of new midi tools like humanize, etc. Also, although I prefer the EZ workflow for a variety of reasons, I export the midi into Live after I've finished the arrangement because Live allows you to set a range on velocity, separately for each note. An amazing feature that I wish Toontrack would add.

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад

      A range/threshold for velocity would be a nice feature.

  • @TavaresProject
    @TavaresProject 2 месяца назад +1

    To get the drum part back into the grid editor from the piano roll, you can just record in ezd3 while your daw is playing.

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  2 месяца назад

      Good call. It's a great way to do it!

  • @Agent36
    @Agent36 3 месяца назад +1

    I don’t use humanization or any of that because toon track is place holder for most things to make songs for a real drummer to finish. My guitar tracks are already loose enough. Toon track is a template for me. And a great one. These tourorials are great.
    I switched to logic, so 5:22 I can tell you I don’t use any of that humanization etc.
    I started on tascam 4 tracks to 8 tracks on cassette. I’m always gonna try to record full guitar tracks and bass tracks but I’m not above toontrack. It is literally the best drum program.
    Bro keep it up. I keep watching because we keep learning. Saw sublime and TSOL in the last two weeks. Brads son is amazing if they come through see them!

  • @wilkinsonmd1959
    @wilkinsonmd1959 3 месяца назад +1

    I use Logic. I do preliminary edits in EZD 3grid editor. When I am fairly “happy” with the entire song, I move it over to the DAW, where I can do arrangement changes. This also allows me to separate different elements and place them on their own track- like a producer drum kit. Many times I don’t need to do that. But if I want more control, its available

  • @normannutbar424
    @normannutbar424 3 месяца назад +1

    I’m getting into the grid editor.
    I love the “slope velocity up” and “slope velocity down” feature whilst keeping the natural variations.
    I use cubase and I don’t think that it does this.
    I can get some great natural sounding dynamics into the grid editor.

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад

      Slope is a go-to for me as well.

  • @nhdyz
    @nhdyz 2 месяца назад +1

    I take pride in my piano roll skills but i'm gonna have to switch-up for that feature alone; 6:55 // I've done this manually so many times !!!

  • @MattyB3
    @MattyB3 3 месяца назад +1

    Hey Shootie, quick question about this topic is it possible to take drum midi from your DAW piano roll in imported into EZ Drummer grid editor. 🤘

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад +1

      This is the reason I prefer to stay in EZD with my midi. Do check out the 13:10 section again. You must export it to then reimport it. Though particular DAWs could have workarounds, like Reaper on PC for example.

  • @alexsmart5452
    @alexsmart5452 3 месяца назад +1

    Well now I know why I keep making things worse. Pressing buttons to humanize, quantize, or change timing, playing with the mix(not knowing what Im doing), not understanding velocity, or upbeat, and taking something not great but workable and destroying it. This might actually helped make that less so..hopefully. As a guitar player, drums and drummers are a mystery, wrapped in a enigma, wrapped in a burrito.. Perhaps I dont take enough drugs to be a good drummer. Ill do better.
    Thanks, keep up the good work and excellent videos on EZdrummer

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад +1

      Lol! If you're using Toontrack midi I'd say for the most part, less is more. I've got a Grid Editor course coming out soon, if you're interested check back soon or sign up on my mailing list.

  • @adtjevandermade880
    @adtjevandermade880 3 месяца назад +1

    cakewalk allows you to drag midi and wave files back into Ezd3

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад +1

      Damn, Cakewalk coming out of the shadows!! I assume that DAW is still PC only, since dragging like this on Mac is always a challenge. Looking forward to the new Cakewalk. Thanks for chiming in.

  • @bobbyincidemetal
    @bobbyincidemetal 3 месяца назад +1

    Shootie! Random question. I am trying to save some hard drive space. I own all the current Toontrack products. I just updated to EZ Mix 3. Can I uninstall EZ Mix 2 since it doesn’t over write it? Same with EZ Drummer 2. I still have it installed and I own and only use EZ Drummer 3. Thanks man! I appreciate your videos.

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад

      Check out the chapter marker and watch the appropriate section. The info here also applies to EZMix3 which I will answer the same soon in vid coming today. ruclips.net/video/C-9r_D4N6ew/видео.htmlsi=GwxSQJXrHJQlBnto

    • @Huginnm
      @Huginnm 12 дней назад

      If you have successfully ported over your presets and things from ezmix2 to ezmix3 then you should not have a problem removing your old libraries. Toontrack has a nasty habit of making duplicate copies of your libraries over whole directories in just about anywhere they wish. So as long as the new app has kept tabs on the old ones library, it will keep a reference copy of where it is on its database when you install /update .

  • @jayrocknurse5386
    @jayrocknurse5386 3 месяца назад +1

    way George Martin (rip) recorded The Beatles. He would keep a take even if it had a little mistake in it if the rest of the take was great. Even vocals. I'd love to hang out with you doing a recording. I would gladly send you money if I had it. Sadly, I'm handicapped (multiple sclerosis) and I do 't have the bucks. I hope that knowing that you're helping a old ROCKER like me gives you some satisfaction. Thanks a lot from my Rock and Roll Soul. Jay Silverberg

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад

      Jay, I hope you're well. I believe I've read you comments in the past. All my pleasure, thanks for commenting!

  • @thomascoolberth2648
    @thomascoolberth2648 Месяц назад

    In Ableton Live you can export the midi loop to your desktop (or any folder) and then drag it into EZ Drummer. Been trying to nail down a good work flow for working with different Scenes in Ableton , editing midi drums and then piecing together the songs. Need to lorn more about the EZDrummer song pattern arrangement view,
    Ableton does not seem to allow the retitling of the notes to their instrument as was demonstrated in the video, Looks like staying inside EZDrummer is the way to go even before trying analyze what humanization tool it has.
    These humanization tools are critical if you get non-Toontrack loops. Few co.s take the time to sell humanized loops. So you might have a mix of Toontrack and external loops in your songs .. this would cause velocities to be all over the place.

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  Месяц назад

      Do check my EZD3 playlist if you want to stay in EZ with your midi. There are many tools that your DAW can't provide. Of course there's tradeoffs which even method you use. ruclips.net/p/PLi47uknUXzCyGMkUNjTsM7U9OhAPIN6M0

    • @jabberwocky1969
      @jabberwocky1969 Месяц назад

      @@ShootieSchool Oh yeah ... your playlists are the go-to for all things Toontrack.

  • @MontegoBayApartment
    @MontegoBayApartment 2 месяца назад

    isn't it possible to let EZD3 record the midi from the track into EZD3 internal track?

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  2 месяца назад

      Place EZD on DAW track with midi on it. Record enable EZD's Song Track. Press play in DAW.

  • @diegoalejo15
    @diegoalejo15 3 месяца назад +1

    Cubase has a great piano roll and the Logical editor to create presets and assign to shorcuts which is amazing but it´s not as cool as the features you are showing inside EZD3 I must say... BUT I have the issue that the playhead inside EZD3 does not play in sync with Cubase, I don´t know why so I mostly end editing in Cubase. Anyway these hints are fire.

    • @diegoalejo15
      @diegoalejo15 3 месяца назад +1

      The arranger track in Cubase is really cool and midi drag & drop between both works fine so I guess I´ll start working in a "hybrid" workflow using both midi editors.

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад

      Thanks for the feedback. If you're hearing EZ in realtime, maybe hit up a Cubase group about Visual Latency. There's a solution for this in Reaper, but I don't know otherwise. Do write back if you solve that one.

    • @diegoalejo15
      @diegoalejo15 3 месяца назад

      @@ShootieSchool I found a solution: enable Constrain delay compensation in Cubase, it´s an option to temporarily disable plugins that introduce too much latency, I usually use it while recording.

  • @davidbaker09
    @davidbaker09 3 месяца назад +1

    It seems I prefer EZD3 editor however I have slight latency in Reaper that I can't shake...drives me crazy to the point I have to head to the piano roll.

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад

      Try Right Clicking on your Track>Track Performance Options>Prevent Anticipative FX.

    • @davidbaker09
      @davidbaker09 3 месяца назад

      @@ShootieSchool I appreciate the suggestion. Been there and done that. Just tried again because well, it's worth a shot! The visual of the EZD3 editor is 1/4 to 1/2 beat behind the audio.

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад

      @davidbaker09 Sorry to hear that. I haven’t heard of this not being fixed before. Do you have a reasonable computer? Curious what your processor is.

    • @davidbaker09
      @davidbaker09 3 месяца назад

      ​@ShootieSchool I actually haven't had any noticeable issues with any other Plug-In or program. It is sn HP Spectre, i7 4 core CPU.....really should be just fine with a single plugin running IMHO. 😢

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад

      @@davidbaker09 Yeah, i7 should eat it up. All you can do it try reinstalling/updating EZ. Maybe a Reaper community can help you out. Sometimes an advanced user will catch your question.

  • @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
    @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 3 месяца назад

    What is the easiest way to pitch drums in EZD/SD3? There has to be an easy way with computers (unless there's an arbitrarily determined method to overcomplicate it)

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад +1

      There's a Tuning knob on the Drums Tab for each drum. I don't use any other method. If you use another plugin or a DAW editing feature, do keep your ears open to artifacts from changing the pitch too much.

    • @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
      @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 3 месяца назад

      @@ShootieSchool Not trying to be redundant... but is there not a feature to set the drums to a certain key/pitch (for example being able to easily pitch samples in FL Studio on piano roll or something)? I'm not trying to be difficult, it's just with all of the features in Toontrack software, i'm assuming that i'm asking in the wrong way/phrasing or something.

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  3 месяца назад +1

      @@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios Can you take a single instrument and play that single instrument on a keyboard of every pitch in real time? No. You can only change pitch on the drums tab or use a plugin that affects pitch int his case.

    • @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
      @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 3 месяца назад

      @ShootieSchool thank you so very much for clarifying. I appreciate you, man.

  • @richyrich6662
    @richyrich6662 12 дней назад

    I believe if you hit record on ezdrummer and play on your daw it will record the midi back into ezdrummer

  • @Huginnm
    @Huginnm 12 дней назад

    Why is it that there's a HUGE disparity when it comes to working on the grid editor between SD & EZ3? Particularly with stuff related to hihats. Quick Note selections, edit playstyle with hihats. Dont even get me started on getting the notes to sit nicely while you attempt to quantize or god forbid, add a swing. With EZ3 I guess its all made easier to look at.

    • @ShootieSchool
      @ShootieSchool  12 дней назад

      SD4 will take the lead when it comes out.