Thomas is the best car reviewer I have come across. His relaxed style makes it enjoyable to watch, he is very knowledgeable, and communicates his observations with ease. He provides the only car reviews that I can watch from start to finish. Great job Thomas!
I would like to add that having a reviewer bluntly say that going to the larger displacement engines are really not worth it, and that it's base model is really a dream car already is very refreshing. He should have tried enough cars to know this. It's making you very comfortable with choosing according to the size of your wallet. A friend had the W124 SL 3.0 - 24 and he said that it's really the better car since the whole car is a lot lighter, and not so nose heavy, making it more accessible for "spirited" driving than the more expensive siblings. But I do question your opinion as to what is sustainable interior? Leatherette and Microfiber? Seriously? Both are made from plastics, hence oil. Leather is at least renewable resource, or do you suggest we all become vegans?
@@perjanuschas8050 Thomas is very passionate about having alternative options to leather, and I respect that, even though I think it's okay to choose leather, and I hate the scruffy look of Alcantara. A few years back, Thomas made a video detailing his objections to leather and showing very graphic video of how leather is produced around the world. Maybe it over-emphasized third-world production. I'm not an expert on tanning, but I know the process involves heavy-duty chemicals no matter how much the process is refined and controlled. Anyway, the video is certainly thought-provoking and worth watching, as long as you don't have a very weak stomach. I still eat meat and still love leather, so it doesn't contain powerful subliminal messages that will transform you into a veggie or vegan.
"Outdated" is relative - you also can say, it is the last classic design with real analog clocks and analog functions - one button for one function. IMHO I love real cars and not driving smartphones!
From NYC. Again Thomas is the best reviewer. The driving experience on real roads, exploring seat comfort, all of the real-life road feel, functions explored in a way no other reviewer does! Bravo Thomas!
I don't think I've ever found a most enjoyable reviewer of anything before. You've such a fantastically relaxing and engaging way of explaining your views and it comes across very well. Thanks so much for your review. It's 2020... and the price of that model/year has reduced quite a lot.. so.. I'm tempted now to buy one. Thanks again!
I have a SLK350 now that pretty much has some of the things the SL has, but I just love these cars. Right now, the SL is the ONLY car I would make me sell my SLK350 and get a newer car. No rag tops either. PERIOD. I still prefer the front end of my SLK350 over the SL front, so that will hurt giving that up.
Another great review Thomas, thank you. I agree with your assessment, that the simpler configuration has a number of benefits. The total package of the SL just cant be beat.
Enjoyed your relaxed review. I just got an SLC43 AMG 2017 with only 12,000 miles. Really brand new condition. I'm thoroughly enjoying the ride, the power, the torque, the sound, and the grip on corners. I know you've done a review on that car. It'll be interesting to see a video from you of the SL400/450 vs SLC43 AMG, combing some footage from each review and adding an extra voiceover comparing the two. Both these models are coming up in the pre-owned market in the US, due to leases ending. I'm really curious how the SL stacks up against the SLC AMG.
Thanks Thomas! I am shopping between R231 (2013) without ABC suspension and R230.2 with ABC. The 2013 without ABC suspension and 19" wheels felt a little harsh on US city roads.
I completely agree with your assessment Thomas, the SL class is my Favorite/comfortable convertible! Also, the SL-450 is my idea of a perfectly practical, thou expensive Mercedes Benz!
One of the key perspectives Thomas brings out is real world road driving. In this case the V6 does the job well. Once this car gets updated infotainment - it's going to be great. I love the glass dome feeling of the hard top when up. Very nice.
Hi Thomas this is my favourite car and I look forward to purchasing one in the near future. I also believe you do excellent video presentation displaying high quality knowledge and expertise, well done, from your number one Australian follower.
Technology get outdated much faster than analogues. So i would say id prefer the analogues limited functions that never get dated Nd work well untill broken. Tech stuff always breaks down. That said, the SL is my dream car and my true love goes to this car in all of my car enthusiast sense. This review showed a glimpse of how it would be when i own the car and live with it. And thats how it should be. Best car got the best review.
Nice to see a reviewer not buying into the AMG craziness that some North-Americans reviewers love so much. Faster and stiffer suspension is not always better, especially on Mercedes. I don't mind AMG, but these cars are in my opinion not specifically designed to become race cars/AMG.
puttyputty123 I drove an SL 63 around cota as part of the AMG driving academy, the SL is a dog, cramming a big engine into it is pointless, it's not a good chassis.
+Phos9 I drove a SL 63 for a few weeks recently (courtesy car as my CLS 63 was in for warranty work), and I have to say it was the best handling car i have ever driven. So I disagree completely. Yes, it is very dated inside, and a but ugly, and massively overpriced, but it drives like a dream.
For the people complaining about how outdated is the SL inside, is because the style it's supposed to mimic the retro look of the SL's from the 50's ! And MB never make a completely new car (SL) every 5 years, like other car makers does with their cars. If you know the history of the car, you'll know they wait to make a new car at least every 10 years ! I think the mistake MB made was making the AMG GT, that makes hard to justify having the SL !
finally someone, who understands the sl and his position in the market and the reason why it looks like that. most persons not even have any kind of understanding and knowledge about the history and the design of sl class. they complain about the interior design, about analogue buttons and similar things. if they want to play around with huge touchscreens, using finger their beloved finger gestures, then they should go for an ipad or their crappy smart phones, pack it into their latest car models they prefer. but do not look or even buy an sl. this car is for for people with style and class, and not a finger guesture toy car. all said for now!!!
Juan and Andreas: You have precisely described what an SL buyer is looking for. This car is not for everyone. Which is fine by me. I like driving a car that you rarely see.....or that few appreciate.
@@ericstruan3647 2022 the new SL .... I hope so ! 😁 I'll bet that this current generation of Sl is going to be a classic. Is the last generation of hard top convertible !
Agree with the perspective offered on this car, including re the facelift front-end, the interior and the materials options (definitely don't understand why artificial leather is not an option, as MB's offering is very good and more durable, and it would also save some money). V6 turbo engine also sounds great to my ears and seems to offer more than enough power. For circa 100k Euros, I think this is a very good choice. At 200k Euros for the V12, I think I'd be shopping for something quite different, even though I love the idea of a V12. Maybe the V12 becomes a much better option on the used market as time goes by, relatively speaking, but of course it's not only much more thirsty but costs more to maintain - although my understanding is that it's a pretty reliable unit. For me, the V8s really don't seem to fit the car, at least don't seem to offer enough extra to justify paying significantly more, or deliver the specialness of the V12. Of course, everyone's different and many prefer the more bassy tone of the V8s. As for the prospect of the next gen having a soft-top, I understand the trends, the weight saving advantages for handling and economy, but I think it would be a very disappointing move for the SL, even appreciating what SL stands for, because of the advantages of the hard-top for looks, comfort, the ability to have a pano roof, and most of all for security as well as insurance considerations. I am actually intending to buy one of these, and probably would not consider a future gen if it has a soft-top. And, as for weight, this gen already has a magnesium top, and other even lighter weight materials are available to MB, like carbon fibre and other composites, so I don't appreciate the need to make the SL follow the pack, rather than it delivering something different with more advantages than disadvantages. Anyway, MB won't go broke if it's just me who doesn't buy a base model with Airscarf and Magic Sky roof, like the review car. Oh, and just to say that I think the Airscarf is something that differentiates these cars and also makes them more saleable in the used market, as does the pano roof option. I think both are amongst the reasons to choose the SL. I think the customer who is attracted to the SL wants more than enough performance with comfort and understated elegance and class, whereas MB offers plenty of choice at vastly different price points if the customer wants to emphasize sportiness, greater practicality, greater performance, or even greater luxury, namely, the SLC, C/E Class convertibles, AMG GTC, and S Class convertible. Thanks for another very enjoyable review, Thomas. This must be the third time I've watched this particular one.
I'm a big fan of cars with a concept like the SL. A comfortable (roofless) GT car with a focus on driving it yourself. Aside from that, features I like in a car aren't features most of the general public likes or finds important. Things like real dials (not those TFT/LCD screens), good steering feedback, a decent range, less wind noise at speed, not super-low-profile tyres, large side windows... The SL ticks a lot of these boxes, just a shame not more cars are like it. (and that it's not more affordable :) )
i think some people think that they make the sl to be just a sport car i have news for you its not Just if you are like me and use this car for weekends after working hard all week you would wont a relaxing car you can put the hood down ie not (soft top) relax in them country lanes and a car that handles bumps well not like Ftype etc relaxing all the way after 5 hours of driving leaving the car without a back ache ie Ftype,porsche etc then is the car for you i think people is thinking sl pure sports car Wrong its a all round car Luxury Comfort and speed when needed
A very well produced presentation. We only differ on opinion for the powertrain of choice, which for me can only be the maximum powered V12 for the originally intended; dominant long distance high speed experience.
@@autogefuehl I am buying a blue one Wednesday CPO SL550 With ABC. Hard to find models with ABC in USA- would rather the 450 as I like the better gas mileage- but you get what you get. 35-40% depreciation for good pre -owned with long warranty. Thank you for your reviews- I watched them many times over. Blue is a sunshine color and this is a sunshine car! (although I probably like the top down on cold days better than hot sunny ones here in Texas...) But true Coupe and convertible in one. And, Kinda of unfortunately, very rare- not many being sold anymore in USA.
great car, great design, and way more beautiful than the pre-facelift with the ugly headlights. very stylish and classy to look at. a car for people with style and taste for design. the interior is not outdated at all. sometimes push buttons do their job better, than these crappy touch screens with its complicated menu structures. the sl always had a very simple and streamlined interior. look at the nice interior of the r230. great review thomas. guten geschmack hast du da.
Another honest and well detailed review from Thomas. Your conclusion that it is the perfect combination, was mine as well; just by looking at the stats on the SL. It's always better to have less weight over the front wheels in a front-engine car. A side question, Thomas: Why was there so much graffiti on the highway walls there? I'm a little surprised that kind of vandalism is permitted in a country like Germany.
That's interesting, because here in the states, that's usually reserved for urban areas and not as much the on the motorways (highways). It looks like that phenomenon is switched when comparing the two countries.
Problem of the SL is actually the more luxurious S Convertible and the sportier AMG GT Roadster - SL can only argue with being iconic without having any significant USPs.. However, the facelift version looks absolutely fantastic from my point of view.
Hate and love this car. It’s terrible at being a sports car. Too heavy, old tech. And that’s why I love it. It’s imperfections give it such personality. Driving a heavy sports car with a big engine and analogue dials is what we’ll all miss one day. This is a classic. One of those classics we look at and we say “it had 1000 problems but for some reason, we loved it”
Hi Thomas, don't you think the Mercedes is getting a little tired inside? The tech is lagging behind some of the main competitors and the BMW is light years ahead, no?
Hola Tomas. Great video as usual. My question is, whats happened to the SL500? I see many " new " ones for sale online but do Mercedes still produce them or not? Thanks. :-))
Finde es übrigens sehr gut, dass Ihr nicht immer die größten Motorisierungen vorstellt! Das Netz ist voll mit dem SL 231 Mopf/Facelift von AMG. Tolles Auto, aber etwas drüber für die meisten von uns,wenn wir mal ehrlich sind. Den "Einstiegs-SL" kann man sich in 3-4 Jahen gebraucht leisten. Top fand ich auch den Beitrag über den VW Tiguan mit 125PS. Kein Händler rät jemandem zu dem 150 PS Benziner, und so kann einem niemand sagen, wie das Auto aufgrund des Gewichtes im Alltag zu bewegen ist, ohne komplett untermotorisiert zu sein. Weiter so!!!!
I'm an SL person too (a 1982 500SL), with that nice blend of comfy ride and sporty power, but here I prefer the R231 pre-facelift's smiling face, to this facelift's more bulbous front. The quality and detailing of the interior of this particular run-out R231 isn't up to it, or worth it either, compared to the latest Merc (or competitor's) interiors. Fantastic Review Thomas, very many thanks.
R230 SL500 is pure & simply the best design, they will still look cool in 20 years. These facelifts will date quicker than a botched Beverly hills botox job.... stick an Audi badge on the front & you'd never think it's an SL !
What are the benefits of a soft top? I much prefer the hardtop and would have thought functionally it would be preferred? I'm a big fan of the design closed and top down.
What the hell Google?! I've got a 3 hours straight gaming channel ads on your video Thomas, I'm really sorry Thomas I had to skip the ads. It's not make any sense they put it there. Anyway, Thomas you're the best!!
I'm not lying Thomas, you put 3 ads on your video, the first it's just an Oreo ad I didn't skip it. Then came the 2nd one, it's a gaming channel played Black Ops ; something like that and it's 3 hours and 14 minutes duration. And the last one is also a gaming ad played the same but the duration is 1 hour and 4 minutes. I've already report the ads, but that it. I felt bad skipping the ads on your videos. Maybe you could report this to Google because I've no idea about adsense.
I cant control what ads and the length of the ads, sorry. Google and RUclips have enormous chances and potential, but at the same time they are very very anonymous
hey, most comfortable are for sure the SUVs as you have the upright seating position. The Tiguan has superb comfort to me e.g. ruclips.net/video/aQN7d_-bFIA/видео.html
Is it normal for NOX sensor to go bad on a sl350 2013 model R231 that's only done 38000 miles? Mercedes qouted me £420 that's for sensor labour not included.
Alwys with Thomas nice detailed reviews of the cars and honest opinions.I do like the outside part of the merc bt lets wait n see the new update of the interior as its about to be released without them removing the comfortable sits and the magic sky control..n btw greeting Thomas frm Kenya!.
That interior is sooooo out of date. That sat nav is like something from 15 years ago. But if you are a retired dentist in Florida (target market) you will love it!
Sat nav screen looks too small for that target market. And even that target market wouldn't want all those redundant buttons on the centre console. Worst thing for me is the sat nav and vents being off-centre from the centre console. I think the older R230 interior is going to stand the test of time better, and it's easy to install an Android head unit if desired. Other than that, I think the R231 is an awesome car.
v good review as usual. agreed that the v6 and non-amg v8 are the choices. and the main reason to choose the v8 is not so much the extra power but the sound if one is a v8 man or woman. personally i tend towards the higher pitch f1 sound over the muscle car v8 sound, but i think this is the choice, although i can't say that i think the v6 turbo has a particularly good sound. it's not bad but not great, either. and that might make me choose the v8 after test driving both. the old non-turbo v6 could be tweaked to sound very good, imo, and as i also prefer the pre-facelift exterior, i think i'd be happy enough with that. nonetheless, i think the significant extra power in the new model is welcome. i think 400hp is about the sweet spot for a gt road car. however, i am not convinced that turbo is the way to go. might be good for lowering offcial mpg, but in the real world, i think turbos encourage you to put your foot down, and when engaged gulp fuel. so for me, the old 383hp n-a v8 in the facelift r230 was closer to perfection, and that would probably be where i would be putting my money, despite the old-fashioned centre-console. if that is too thirsty, then i think the pre-facelift r231 n-a v6 is more than sufficient. in the current facelift model, the two non-amg engines are definitely the way to go. the v6 turbo for sure has enough power, and is the head choice. but the v8 turbo is probably more in keeping with the historical dream nature of the car, and is the heart choice. if you can afford this car brand new, then i doubt the economy differences between the v6 and v8 are a significant factor in the buying decision, although nobody wants to waste money. as a used car purchase, as it would be for me, maybe the economy difference would be enough to have me opt for the v6, unless it was only going to be a sunday car. however, the sl could well be a daily driver and then the economy differences could quickly add up to a significant sum.
Interesting for me to read what I wrote a year ago. When I watched this review again today, I thought the V6 turbo sounded rather good. The R230 facelift is now even better value in the used market, and pre-pre-facelift R230 SL600s are now temptingly priced too. Not sure the extra for the R231 is the way to go, but of course it's a significantly newer and more efficient car, although the interior tech is already dated and maybe not standing the test of time as well as the older R230 interior, at least 2005 on. All that said, I think the R231 is still worthy of consideration as a new car purchase, even though it must be at the end of its life and a replacment must be imminent. I also think it will be sad if the replacement has a soft top like everything else. Other options to save even more weight than the magnesium top it has now, so for me, MB reverting the SL to a soft-top would just be to save the company money and increase profits. SL should lead in this regard, not follow the pack.
Der V8 im 500 passt mMn viel besser zum SL. Ist einfach ein erhabeneres Fahren und der Sound ist um Klassen besser, was bei einem Cabrio doch schon nicht zu vernachlässigen ist.
Beautiful car... I admit I was less impressed with the interior. Seems like the E-Class and the AMG GT have better interiors, not sure why. Interesting that the guys at Motor Trend (another channel I watch) disagree with you, Thomas. They think the SL is the inferior model to the AMG GT. They are looking mainly at the sportiness and performance however... taking them on track and so forth. They thought the performance and feeling of the AMG GT is more close to the magical 300 SL from the 1950s... it embodies that spirit more. Sadly, I have not driven either car. :( However, if I was able to, I have a feeling I might agree with you, since I value comfort in a GT car. I also agree that 100,000 is too much to spend for less than 1 second worth of bragging rights. :) I wonder if there is anybody else here who thinks the AMG GT is the superior car? I see a lot of the comments calling the interior 'horribly outdated' and I don't think it is that bad. Yes it is not as good as it could be, but I think people are just being too picky. The car is beautiful and yes, I would love to have one, perhaps an AMG 63 model in Thomas blue... Definitely keep that diamond front grill. :) Thank you for the wonderful review!
Hope it's okay if I post a link: www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz/sl-class/2012/pictures.html?&filter=interior If you look at the interior from 2012, it is very different, at least to my eyes. The air vents were not the same version that you have in this car, those premiered in 2013. The computer screen, gear shift, and dashboard (including gauges) are all different. The screen has been moved up. The steering wheel was redesigned. So on and so on... I guess maybe I'm misunderstanding you? From my point of view, this interior is only about 3 to 4 years old. Look at the major differences in the air vents for example, they changed this in the C class as well around 2015. To me, that is not that old. I do agree about the number buttons, for the phone, of course. I know the SL tends to stay in its current model for usually a decade or more... but I don't know what you mean by this is an old car? You mean the SL itself is in production for many years? So what? So is the E-class (well, 1993 to present). I don't know... to me that is not that dated, some elements yes, but overall only 3-4 years old.
The pictures you have posted are from the previous generation! This here is the R213 (internal code, generation starting from 2012), the stuff you linked is R230 (generation from 2001-2011)
Not only best car reviewer but also good Friend exquisite person and video! Also I wanna mention to others sl was the brand of f1 game. Like evo x or Sti to some people. Yes it outdated but overpriced? A little not much. Hard convertible and massage chair comfortable suspension . Amg gt doesn't have those
The gauges and the center screen feature at least 3 different font types. Like the whole car seems to have been designed by a committee. Terrible for this price segment. Thanks for the nice review though Thomas!
Good question. The Mercedes SL evokes more emotion, but on the hard fact side, the S5 is the better every day car. Also accounts for the C-Class Convertible, also seen that review? Mid-Size Convertibles are more reasonable and better in every aspect if you let your heart aside
Can't wait for the new one with a new interior. Will be the best interior. These age of interiors dated quite quickly I think. I am glad they moved away from all the angular shapes on new Mercedes because the angular shapes date too quickly.
Great review Thomas: thanks a lot. I just love the look of this car and can easily forgive the ancient interior tech. It is the only cabriolet/convertible I would ever buy as, generally speaking, I do not like that class of car. I am horrified by the suggestion that Mercedes will go back to a soft top for the next generation, though.
@Autogefuehl I'm just curious is Mercedes going to continue its new generation for the SL&SLC because i have not seen any video about camouflage of this vehicle testing.
The front side does not look that well form all angles, think the re-design does not fit 100% to the car. A problem with most facelifts, most timers the original design stays better when a car is aging. The diamond pin grille in my opinion also looks not that good as it does on many other mercedesses for instance like on a GLC or E class. Thomes you did well again, only I missed if it comes with the 9 speed auto, it probably does. You deserve a car like this for making these excellent reviews.
Well 3 years happened and the interior aged way better than the competition.. Do you know why? Because it pursued a classic analog style from the beginning.
Pre-face lift is a much better, much stronger look, especially for the AMG models. The too large round airscoops in the lower spoiler ruin the continuity and boldness the earlier models had and overwhelms the subtle iconic 300sl details on the hood and sides. I know because I have a pre-facelift SL63. But the auto trunk cover and updated software are better in the newer version. Forget hp, it’s all the same engine and any tune makes numbers bonkers for either version.
Thomas is the best car reviewer I have come across. His relaxed style makes it enjoyable to watch, he is very knowledgeable, and communicates his observations with ease. He provides the only car reviews that I can watch from start to finish. Great job Thomas!
+Victor Perry thank you so much, feel free to recommend this!
I would like to add that having a reviewer bluntly say that going to the larger displacement engines are really not worth it, and that it's base model is really a dream car already is very refreshing. He should have tried enough cars to know this. It's making you very comfortable with choosing according to the size of your wallet. A friend had the W124 SL 3.0 - 24 and he said that it's really the better car since the whole car is a lot lighter, and not so nose heavy, making it more accessible for "spirited" driving than the more expensive siblings. But I do question your opinion as to what is sustainable interior? Leatherette and Microfiber? Seriously? Both are made from plastics, hence oil. Leather is at least renewable resource, or do you suggest we all become vegans?
@@perjanuschas8050 Thomas is very passionate about having alternative options to leather, and I respect that, even though I think it's okay to choose leather, and I hate the scruffy look of Alcantara. A few years back, Thomas made a video detailing his objections to leather and showing very graphic video of how leather is produced around the world. Maybe it over-emphasized third-world production. I'm not an expert on tanning, but I know the process involves heavy-duty chemicals no matter how much the process is refined and controlled. Anyway, the video is certainly thought-provoking and worth watching, as long as you don't have a very weak stomach. I still eat meat and still love leather, so it doesn't contain powerful subliminal messages that will transform you into a veggie or vegan.
"Outdated" is relative - you also can say, it is the last classic design with real analog clocks and analog functions - one button for one function. IMHO I love real cars and not driving smartphones!
From NYC. Again Thomas is the best reviewer. The driving experience on real roads, exploring seat comfort, all of the real-life road feel, functions explored in a way no other reviewer does! Bravo Thomas!
thanks so much! Greets
I don't think I've ever found a most enjoyable reviewer of anything before. You've such a fantastically relaxing and engaging way of explaining your views and it comes across very well. Thanks so much for your review. It's 2020... and the price of that model/year has reduced quite a lot.. so.. I'm tempted now to buy one. Thanks again!
Nobody does car reviews better than Thomas. Every detail is covered from the drivers viewpoint, with a perfect mix of fact and opinion.
cheers!
SL will always be a very elegant convertible...
C III comme model exactement ? Slc ?? Année puissance....??
FULL HD, FULL SCREEN AND FULL X , THOMAS IS THE BEST !!!!!!!
+DONALD J. TRUMP yeah!
I have a SLK350 now that pretty much has some of the things the SL has, but I just love these cars. Right now, the SL is the ONLY car I would make me sell my SLK350 and get a newer car. No rag tops either. PERIOD. I still prefer the front end of my SLK350 over the SL front, so that will hurt giving that up.
Another great review Thomas, thank you. I agree with your assessment, that the simpler configuration has a number of benefits. The total package of the SL just cant be beat.
cheers!
Enjoyed your relaxed review. I just got an SLC43 AMG 2017 with only 12,000 miles. Really brand new condition. I'm thoroughly enjoying the ride, the power, the torque, the sound, and the grip on corners. I know you've done a review on that car. It'll be interesting to see a video from you of the SL400/450 vs SLC43 AMG, combing some footage from each review and adding an extra voiceover comparing the two. Both these models are coming up in the pre-owned market in the US, due to leases ending. I'm really curious how the SL stacks up against the SLC AMG.
thanks keep tuning in here :-)
liked it before watching ! your videos are always great.
+Marcos ✌️
I also hit the like button as soon as I saw the title and the thumbnail! awesome car, awesome review as always!!!
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Beautiful absolutely beautiful car, even in red it looks amazing, lucky Thomas for driving this amazing machine.
Finally the Mercedes SL facelift review is here i have been waiting for so long. Isn't that your fravourite roadster Thomas :).
enjoy =)
Thanks Thomas! I am shopping between R231 (2013) without ABC suspension and R230.2 with ABC. The 2013 without ABC suspension and 19" wheels felt a little harsh on US city roads.
I completely agree with your assessment Thomas, the SL class is my Favorite/comfortable convertible! Also, the SL-450 is my idea of a perfectly practical, thou expensive Mercedes Benz!
thanks !
One of the key perspectives Thomas brings out is real world road driving. In this case the V6 does the job well. Once this car gets updated infotainment - it's going to be great.
I love the glass dome feeling of the hard top when up. Very nice.
highly appreciated!
I drove one of these for the first time today and i have to say the sound is really good and the drive is excellent i was really impressed.
Hi Thomas this is my favourite car and I look forward to purchasing one in the near future. I also believe you do excellent video presentation displaying high quality knowledge and expertise, well done, from your number one Australian follower.
Technology get outdated much faster than analogues. So i would say id prefer the analogues limited functions that never get dated Nd work well untill broken. Tech stuff always breaks down. That said, the SL is my dream car and my true love goes to this car in all of my car enthusiast sense. This review showed a glimpse of how it would be when i own the car and live with it. And thats how it should be. Best car got the best review.
cheers!
Nice to see a reviewer not buying into the AMG craziness that some North-Americans reviewers love so much. Faster and stiffer suspension is not always better, especially on Mercedes. I don't mind AMG, but these cars are in my opinion not specifically designed to become race cars/AMG.
+puttyputty123 👌
puttyputty123 I drove an SL 63 around cota as part of the AMG driving academy, the SL is a dog, cramming a big engine into it is pointless, it's not a good chassis.
+Phos9 I drove a SL 63 for a few weeks recently (courtesy car as my CLS 63 was in for warranty work), and I have to say it was the best handling car i have ever driven. So I disagree completely. Yes, it is very dated inside, and a but ugly, and massively overpriced, but it drives like a dream.
@@LarryKippings I agree. It's one of the best handling GT roadsters. Maybe the best handling.
For the people complaining about how outdated is the SL inside, is because the style it's supposed to mimic the retro look of the SL's from the 50's ! And MB never make a completely new car (SL) every 5 years, like other car makers does with their cars. If you know the history of the car, you'll know they wait to make a new car at least every 10 years ! I think the mistake MB made was making the AMG GT, that makes hard to justify having the SL !
finally someone, who understands the sl and his position in the market and the reason why it looks like that. most persons not even have any kind of understanding and knowledge about the history and the design of sl class. they complain about the interior design, about analogue buttons and similar things. if they want to play around with huge touchscreens, using finger their beloved finger gestures, then they should go for an ipad or their crappy smart phones, pack it into their latest car models they prefer. but do not look or even buy an sl. this car is for for people with style and class, and not a finger guesture toy car. all said for now!!!
Andreas bubo69 Agree ! Be ready, a totally new SL comes in 2020 ! 😛 👍
@@andreasbubo6932 Perfectly said Andreas,i have a sl400 and i wouldnt like a ipad in the car if i do i can link te car play that my car has to it
Juan and Andreas: You have precisely described what an SL buyer is looking for. This car is not for everyone. Which is fine by me. I like driving a car that you rarely see.....or that few appreciate.
@@ericstruan3647 2022 the new SL .... I hope so ! 😁 I'll bet that this current generation of Sl is going to be a classic. Is the last generation of hard top convertible !
Agree with the perspective offered on this car, including re the facelift front-end, the interior and the materials options (definitely don't understand why artificial leather is not an option, as MB's offering is very good and more durable, and it would also save some money). V6 turbo engine also sounds great to my ears and seems to offer more than enough power.
For circa 100k Euros, I think this is a very good choice. At 200k Euros for the V12, I think I'd be shopping for something quite different, even though I love the idea of a V12. Maybe the V12 becomes a much better option on the used market as time goes by, relatively speaking, but of course it's not only much more thirsty but costs more to maintain - although my understanding is that it's a pretty reliable unit. For me, the V8s really don't seem to fit the car, at least don't seem to offer enough extra to justify paying significantly more, or deliver the specialness of the V12. Of course, everyone's different and many prefer the more bassy tone of the V8s.
As for the prospect of the next gen having a soft-top, I understand the trends, the weight saving advantages for handling and economy, but I think it would be a very disappointing move for the SL, even appreciating what SL stands for, because of the advantages of the hard-top for looks, comfort, the ability to have a pano roof, and most of all for security as well as insurance considerations. I am actually intending to buy one of these, and probably would not consider a future gen if it has a soft-top. And, as for weight, this gen already has a magnesium top, and other even lighter weight materials are available to MB, like carbon fibre and other composites, so I don't appreciate the need to make the SL follow the pack, rather than it delivering something different with more advantages than disadvantages. Anyway, MB won't go broke if it's just me who doesn't buy a base model with Airscarf and Magic Sky roof, like the review car.
Oh, and just to say that I think the Airscarf is something that differentiates these cars and also makes them more saleable in the used market, as does the pano roof option. I think both are amongst the reasons to choose the SL. I think the customer who is attracted to the SL wants more than enough performance with comfort and understated elegance and class, whereas MB offers plenty of choice at vastly different price points if the customer wants to emphasize sportiness, greater practicality, greater performance, or even greater luxury, namely, the SLC, C/E Class convertibles, AMG GTC, and S Class convertible.
Thanks for another very enjoyable review, Thomas. This must be the third time I've watched this particular one.
Thanks for the interesting feedback!
I'm a big fan of cars with a concept like the SL. A comfortable (roofless) GT car with a focus on driving it yourself. Aside from that, features I like in a car aren't features most of the general public likes or finds important. Things like real dials (not those TFT/LCD screens), good steering feedback, a decent range, less wind noise at speed, not super-low-profile tyres, large side windows...
The SL ticks a lot of these boxes, just a shame not more cars are like it. (and that it's not more affordable :) )
i think some people think that they make the sl to be just a sport car i have news for you its not Just
if you are like me and use this car for weekends after working hard all week you would wont a relaxing car you can put the hood down ie not (soft top)
relax in them country lanes and a car that handles bumps well not like Ftype etc relaxing all the way after 5 hours of driving leaving the car without a back ache ie Ftype,porsche etc then is the car for you i think people is thinking sl pure sports car Wrong its a all round car Luxury Comfort and speed when needed
I love it, v6 is more than enough for what I need. The 2022 SL is way over engineered for me!
A very well produced presentation. We only differ on opinion for the powertrain of choice, which for me can only be the maximum powered V12 for the originally intended; dominant long distance high speed experience.
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Thomas rocks- love that he picks out negatives too
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@@autogefuehl I am buying a blue one Wednesday CPO SL550 With ABC. Hard to find models with ABC in USA- would rather the 450 as I like the better gas mileage- but you get what you get. 35-40% depreciation for good pre -owned with long warranty. Thank you for your reviews- I watched them many times over. Blue is a sunshine color and this is a sunshine car! (although I probably like the top down on cold days better than hot sunny ones here in Texas...) But true Coupe and convertible in one. And, Kinda of unfortunately, very rare- not many being sold anymore in USA.
great car, great design, and way more beautiful than the pre-facelift with the ugly headlights. very stylish and classy to look at. a car for people with style and taste for design. the interior is not outdated at all. sometimes push buttons do their job better, than these crappy touch screens with its complicated menu structures. the sl always had a very simple and streamlined interior. look at the nice interior of the r230. great review thomas. guten geschmack hast du da.
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i think this car is more unique than s coupe. thumbs up if you agree
was waiting for it for a while!! Thanks Thomas.
Really great, honest review :D +1 Subscriber, Cheers from Australia :D
Without doubt, my favourite car reviewer. Excellent.
Another honest and well detailed review from Thomas. Your conclusion that it is the perfect combination, was mine as well; just by looking at the stats on the SL. It's always better to have less weight over the front wheels in a front-engine car.
A side question, Thomas: Why was there so much graffiti on the highway walls there? I'm a little surprised that kind of vandalism is permitted in a country like Germany.
thanks! Hm actually that's quite common on motorways. Pretty dangerous to paint that there though
That's interesting, because here in the states, that's usually reserved for urban areas and not as much the on the motorways (highways). It looks like that phenomenon is switched when comparing the two countries.
My Erste Liebe ! Fall in love with SL in 1997 and still my heart aches for her ;)
HI Thomas great review as always😊👍 👍👍this Mercedes will always be classic. the previous headlights look way better. watching you from San Francisco😊😊
thanks keep following us!
wish they would have offered the R231 with the M256 inline 6 mild hybrid!
Like your reviews a lot! Your accent. Love watching you. Thx for another great review ☺️
I really enjoyed this review as I am thinking of buying a sl 400 In the near future.
I just love this car! Within a couple of years, I’ll get an used one.
Some Mercedes new interior feel much more nicer than the old ones with the number pad.
Problem of the SL is actually the more luxurious S Convertible and the sportier AMG GT Roadster - SL can only argue with being iconic without having any significant USPs.. However, the facelift version looks absolutely fantastic from my point of view.
Hate and love this car. It’s terrible at being a sports car. Too heavy, old tech. And that’s why I love it. It’s imperfections give it such personality. Driving a heavy sports car with a big engine and analogue dials is what we’ll all miss one day. This is a classic. One of those classics we look at and we say “it had 1000 problems but for some reason, we loved it”
LOVE IT... bad color. that electric blue is the best for the face-lift
Hi Thomas, don't you think the Mercedes is getting a little tired inside? The tech is lagging behind some of the main competitors and the BMW is light years ahead, no?
well in the E-Class they show what they think a modern cockpit should look like atm, did you check that already?
Congratulations Thomas for another fantastic review!!
Though,I was disappointed of that outdated interior... :/
thanks man!
Hola Tomas. Great video as usual. My question is, whats happened to the SL500? I see many " new " ones for sale online but do Mercedes still produce them or not? Thanks. :-))
they should still sell it
Very interesting review... I feel that Mercedes is in danger of over-tech...I feel the base models are more engaging to drive with their simplicity.
thanks for watching !
Ein sehr guter Journalist für ein sehr schönes Auto. Danke und viele Grüsse aus Spanien.
Muchas gracias :)
Finde es übrigens sehr gut, dass Ihr nicht immer die größten Motorisierungen vorstellt! Das Netz ist voll mit dem SL 231 Mopf/Facelift von AMG. Tolles Auto, aber etwas drüber für die meisten von uns,wenn wir mal ehrlich sind. Den "Einstiegs-SL" kann man sich in 3-4 Jahen gebraucht leisten. Top fand ich auch den Beitrag über den VW Tiguan mit 125PS. Kein Händler rät jemandem zu dem 150 PS Benziner, und so kann einem niemand sagen, wie das Auto aufgrund des Gewichtes im Alltag zu bewegen ist, ohne komplett untermotorisiert zu sein. Weiter so!!!!
Vielen Dank! Wir werden versuchen, das auszubauen!
I'm an SL person too (a 1982 500SL), with that nice blend of comfy ride and sporty power, but here I prefer the R231 pre-facelift's smiling face, to this facelift's more bulbous front. The quality and detailing of the interior of this particular run-out R231 isn't up to it, or worth it either, compared to the latest Merc (or competitor's) interiors. Fantastic Review Thomas, very many thanks.
thanks pal !
R230 SL500 is pure & simply the best design, they will still look cool in 20 years.
These facelifts will date quicker than a botched Beverly hills botox job.... stick an Audi badge on the front & you'd never think it's an SL !
Great review Thomas, thank you. Question, does the SL in any trim for 2017 have launch control?
thanks so much - keep joining us!
Not that I heard of!
The only people who "knock" this car are those who haven't driven it. It is just superb!
What are the benefits of a soft top? I much prefer the hardtop and would have thought functionally it would be preferred? I'm a big fan of the design closed and top down.
Lower weight, more trunk
This convertible should have the modern S-Class interior, that to me would make it pretty perfect.
What the hell Google?! I've got a 3 hours straight gaming channel ads on your video Thomas, I'm really sorry Thomas I had to skip the ads. It's not make any sense they put it there. Anyway, Thomas you're the best!!
3 hours gaming channel ads? wtf :D
I'm not lying Thomas, you put 3 ads on your video, the first it's just an Oreo ad I didn't skip it. Then came the 2nd one, it's a gaming channel played Black Ops ; something like that and it's 3 hours and 14 minutes duration. And the last one is also a gaming ad played the same but the duration is 1 hour and 4 minutes. I've already report the ads, but that it. I felt bad skipping the ads on your videos. Maybe you could report this to Google because I've no idea about adsense.
I cant control what ads and the length of the ads, sorry. Google and RUclips have enormous chances and potential, but at the same time they are very very anonymous
thomas of all the cars you've tested, which is the softest riding and most comfortable? Thanks!
hey, most comfortable are for sure the SUVs as you have the upright seating position. The Tiguan has superb comfort to me e.g. ruclips.net/video/aQN7d_-bFIA/видео.html
E-Class also... ruclips.net/video/Pq5LDi3-ChU/видео.html
how about q7 and s-class? Do tiguan and E-class ride better than these two cars? Thanks!
well let's say you dont have to pay double the price for that
lol good call! thanks thomas you're the best reviewer on youtube. looking forward for more awesome reviews!
another awesome review. Keep the good work!!!
always appreciated!
odd question: what watch is that he's wearing? looks kool.
I'm guessing this is also available with all the latest tech and gadgets?
A lovely car, much better than the old one, keep on rollin, thx for the review
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hi is there handling difference? compared to before face lift
Is it normal for NOX sensor to go bad on a sl350 2013 model R231 that's only done 38000 miles? Mercedes qouted me £420 that's for sensor labour not included.
Alwys with Thomas nice detailed reviews of the cars and honest opinions.I do like the outside part of the merc bt lets wait n see the new update of the interior as its about to be released without them removing the comfortable sits and the magic sky control..n btw greeting Thomas frm Kenya!.
cheers!
That interior is sooooo out of date. That sat nav is like something from 15 years ago. But if you are a retired dentist in Florida (target market) you will love it!
Sat nav screen looks too small for that target market. And even that target market wouldn't want all those redundant buttons on the centre console. Worst thing for me is the sat nav and vents being off-centre from the centre console. I think the older R230 interior is going to stand the test of time better, and it's easy to install an Android head unit if desired. Other than that, I think the R231 is an awesome car.
I feel like the design ages quickly on these models. But I like the interior very clean design.
The facelifted SL looks so much better in person. The only letdown is the old and staid interior.
Great looking body, the car looks good too!
better to take a bmw Z4. looks better and better price... would be cool to get a review of that cute little car actually!
v good review as usual.
agreed that the v6 and non-amg v8 are the choices. and the main reason to choose the v8 is not so much the extra power but the sound if one is a v8 man or woman. personally i tend towards the higher pitch f1 sound over the muscle car v8 sound, but i think this is the choice, although i can't say that i think the v6 turbo has a particularly good sound. it's not bad but not great, either. and that might make me choose the v8 after test driving both.
the old non-turbo v6 could be tweaked to sound very good, imo, and as i also prefer the pre-facelift exterior, i think i'd be happy enough with that. nonetheless, i think the significant extra power in the new model is welcome.
i think 400hp is about the sweet spot for a gt road car. however, i am not convinced that turbo is the way to go. might be good for lowering offcial mpg, but in the real world, i think turbos encourage you to put your foot down, and when engaged gulp fuel.
so for me, the old 383hp n-a v8 in the facelift r230 was closer to perfection, and that would probably be where i would be putting my money, despite the old-fashioned centre-console. if that is too thirsty, then i think the pre-facelift r231 n-a v6 is more than sufficient.
in the current facelift model, the two non-amg engines are definitely the way to go. the v6 turbo for sure has enough power, and is the head choice. but the v8 turbo is probably more in keeping with the historical dream nature of the car, and is the heart choice.
if you can afford this car brand new, then i doubt the economy differences between the v6 and v8 are a significant factor in the buying decision, although nobody wants to waste money. as a used car purchase, as it would be for me, maybe the economy difference would be enough to have me opt for the v6, unless it was only going to be a sunday car. however, the sl could well be a daily driver and then the economy differences could quickly add up to a significant sum.
Interesting for me to read what I wrote a year ago. When I watched this review again today, I thought the V6 turbo sounded rather good. The R230 facelift is now even better value in the used market, and pre-pre-facelift R230 SL600s are now temptingly priced too. Not sure the extra for the R231 is the way to go, but of course it's a significantly newer and more efficient car, although the interior tech is already dated and maybe not standing the test of time as well as the older R230 interior, at least 2005 on. All that said, I think the R231 is still worthy of consideration as a new car purchase, even though it must be at the end of its life and a replacment must be imminent. I also think it will be sad if the replacement has a soft top like everything else. Other options to save even more weight than the magnesium top it has now, so for me, MB reverting the SL to a soft-top would just be to save the company money and increase profits. SL should lead in this regard, not follow the pack.
is the hood actually specially long?? it's hood is looks same to e class
Der V8 im 500 passt mMn viel besser zum SL. Ist einfach ein erhabeneres Fahren und der Sound ist um Klassen besser, was bei einem Cabrio doch schon nicht zu vernachlässigen ist.
Thomas, i wonder what is the brand of the car you have?
Beautiful car... I admit I was less impressed with the interior. Seems like the E-Class and the AMG GT have better interiors, not sure why.
Interesting that the guys at Motor Trend (another channel I watch) disagree with you, Thomas. They think the SL is the inferior model to the AMG GT. They are looking mainly at the sportiness and performance however... taking them on track and so forth. They thought the performance and feeling of the AMG GT is more close to the magical 300 SL from the 1950s... it embodies that spirit more.
Sadly, I have not driven either car. :( However, if I was able to, I have a feeling I might agree with you, since I value comfort in a GT car. I also agree that 100,000 is too much to spend for less than 1 second worth of bragging rights. :)
I wonder if there is anybody else here who thinks the AMG GT is the superior car?
I see a lot of the comments calling the interior 'horribly outdated' and I don't think it is that bad. Yes it is not as good as it could be, but I think people are just being too picky. The car is beautiful and yes, I would love to have one, perhaps an AMG 63 model in Thomas blue...
Definitely keep that diamond front grill. :) Thank you for the wonderful review!
this interior is dated because the car is already quite old
Hope it's okay if I post a link:
www.edmunds.com/mercedes-benz/sl-class/2012/pictures.html?&filter=interior
If you look at the interior from 2012, it is very different, at least to my eyes. The air vents were not the same version that you have in this car, those premiered in 2013. The computer screen, gear shift, and dashboard (including gauges) are all different. The screen has been moved up. The steering wheel was redesigned. So on and so on...
I guess maybe I'm misunderstanding you? From my point of view, this interior is only about 3 to 4 years old. Look at the major differences in the air vents for example, they changed this in the C class as well around 2015. To me, that is not that old. I do agree about the number buttons, for the phone, of course.
I know the SL tends to stay in its current model for usually a decade or more... but I don't know what you mean by this is an old car? You mean the SL itself is in production for many years? So what? So is the E-class (well, 1993 to present).
I don't know... to me that is not that dated, some elements yes, but overall only 3-4 years old.
The pictures you have posted are from the previous generation! This here is the R213 (internal code, generation starting from 2012), the stuff you linked is R230 (generation from 2001-2011)
Autogefühl Thomas, do you prefer the R230 styling (interior and exterior) to the R213 styling? I feel the 2009 to 2012 facelift is perfection.
as heard in the review! :)
To the people complaining about the dated interior... don't worry, a new one is coming soon.
Thomas, would you choose this car over the S550 Coupe' and why?
getting some fresh air =)
actually at the moment I would go for this one:
ruclips.net/video/QY-jxHL3KMY/видео.html
How ironic that this outdated equipment is what we now crave for : buttons :) And that M276 twin turbo engine too!
Not only best car reviewer but also good Friend exquisite person and video! Also I wanna mention to others sl was the brand of f1 game. Like evo x or Sti to some people. Yes it outdated but overpriced? A little not much. Hard convertible and massage chair comfortable suspension
. Amg gt doesn't have those
thanks!
WRX STi review will follow this week too!
Danke für das Review.
Thomas what would you choose these SL, Targa or F-Type? =)
this one :)
I get your point about the v6 vs V8 but be honest doesn't the V8 sound a lot better? :)
linked in the video description, check it out :)
Good review by Thomas. Nice car but personally I much prefer the S-Class Coupe and S-Class Convertible.
thanks andrew! Enjoy it here ruclips.net/video/g-2ARvGeAXc/видео.html
The gauges and the center screen feature at least 3 different font types. Like the whole car seems to have been designed by a committee. Terrible for this price segment. Thanks for the nice review though Thomas!
thanks pal !
1st impression, that looks like Merc. now to listen to your review.
Do you prefer it to the recently reviewed S5 cab as a year round daily driver?
Good question. The Mercedes SL evokes more emotion, but on the hard fact side, the S5 is the better every day car. Also accounts for the C-Class Convertible, also seen that review? Mid-Size Convertibles are more reasonable and better in every aspect if you let your heart aside
Good one! btw whr do you get your clothes from they're hip!
Can't wait for the new one with a new interior. Will be the best interior. These age of interiors dated quite quickly I think. I am glad they moved away from all the angular shapes on new Mercedes because the angular shapes date too quickly.
Really astonishing how quick interiors get dated nowadays!
What makes the cockpit outdated?
is it only wire connected steering ?
Thomas for Top Gear :)
Genau darauf habe ich gewatet, das MOPF Model des SL! TOP!!!!
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Im watching this like... everyday
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That flat front does catch a lot of bugs, even after just a few minutes on the highway.
Great review Thomas: thanks a lot. I just love the look of this car and can easily forgive the ancient interior tech. It is the only cabriolet/convertible I would ever buy as, generally speaking, I do not like that class of car. I am horrified by the suggestion that Mercedes will go back to a soft top for the next generation, though.
+pete draper thx pete!
Agree re possible reverting to a soft-top. Hard top is big reason to choose an SL.
@Autogefuehl I'm just curious is Mercedes going to continue its new generation for the SL&SLC because i have not seen any video about camouflage of this vehicle testing.
the new SL will get a soft top again
How about the SLC?
The front side does not look that well form all angles, think the re-design does not fit 100% to the car. A problem with most facelifts, most timers the original design stays better when a car is aging. The diamond pin grille in my opinion also looks not that good as it does on many other mercedesses for instance like on a GLC or E class.
Thomes you did well again, only I missed if it comes with the 9 speed auto, it probably does. You deserve a car like this for making these excellent reviews.
+Henk Hulde yea facelift brought the 9g tronic!
+Henk Hulde yea facelift brought the 9g tronic!
I love the SLC as a woman because it's not too much in price or engine. But everyone hates it but loves this one. Too pricey!!
In which city is he driving in the video?
That interior is so dated unfortunately
its only a facelift from previous model an all new one is due in 2019
Yeah the new one will probably looks so much nicer.
Well 3 years happened and the interior aged way better than the competition.. Do you know why? Because it pursued a classic analog style from the beginning.
Pre-face lift is a much better, much stronger look, especially for the AMG models. The too large round airscoops in the lower spoiler ruin the continuity and boldness the earlier models had and overwhelms the subtle iconic 300sl details on the hood and sides. I know because I have a pre-facelift SL63. But the auto trunk cover and updated software are better in the newer version. Forget hp, it’s all the same engine and any tune makes numbers bonkers for either version.
Very nice review. Thank you. USA
Greetings back to the US!