Australia in ‘a terrible lot of trouble’ with $90b ‘con-job’ submarine program
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- The Australian’s Robert Gottliebsen says Australia is “in a terrible lot of trouble” with the $90 billion “con-job” submarine program.
“The French sent out here a whole series of negotiators - led by a very skilled female negotiator - and they sold us a deal that would have the ships here earlier, it would have Australian content,” he told Sky News host Andrew Bolt.
“But as soon as we signed it, as soon as we said yes, they said ‘oh that’s not the deal at all, we’ve got a totally different deal for you, we’re going to do the lot and it’s going to cost you a lot more money’.
“It’s not going to cost $90 billion, it’s going to cost $120-150 billion … it is a nonsense and it has to stop.”
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Did these politicians ever bother to ask the Navy?
they did, they wanted to know if the submarine would stay under water for more than 20 minutes...
Yes,the CCP navy.
Ask Pauline about pump jets
Of course not, that's not how government procurement works.....
ALL WE NEED TO DO IS FREE THE MILLION'S OF PEOPLE THAT CHINA HAS IN CONCENTRATION CAMP'S AND AIR DROP THEM WEAPON'S ...
We are so getting invaded!
All Australian University Chancellors:- "Yaaay". More fee paying students!
But why are they carrying rifles.
Complete dogs breakfasts, Federal Government, State Governments, Local Governments are all corrupt. Screwed over, Australia now beholden to China and India, Australia is stuffed!! Who wants to talk about submarines. France were partners with the CCP and built the Wuhan virus bat laboratory in china, once china used up the French booted them out of China and let loose the virus. Scott Morrison and his stooges are working for china & India. Now his LNP govt. claim they are going to repair our economy that they stuffed. No one protecting Australia. Australia is SOLD..
@@rakeshhubert3031 Sold down the river, loooooooooong ago...
@@dontbelieveeverythingyouth8173 The Day Gough stepped foot on Chinese soil,we were stuffed.
TINY PHILIPPINES IS GETTING NUCLEAR SUB'S .. MAYBE WE CAN ASK THEM TO DEFFEND US - ::: (
@@robot336 Deturte has a Nuclear Jet Ski!
If past governments hadn’t sold off our manufacturing we could have made our own submarines
100%
The people and parties who want to save u are the ones who sold us out.
You mean like car plants? The Liberals. 😄
Nah, Holden and Ford were a joke, making garbage cars that noone wanted with ridiculous overhead. The billions of taxpayer dollars that were paid to keep those useless companies afloat was sent on to Detroit which is why they still had to close even with endless subsidy.
Manufacturing was kept on life-support because of their own incompetency and union greed, keeping wages and perks way too high to remain competitive
@@jayone8891 You're right on that. I compared the annual report for Holden from 2012-2013. The number of employees dropped by 5% and the wages bill rose by 12%. Each car built had at least a $3,000 labour component, in the USA and other nations that figure is $1,000.
How in the hell did Australia find herself without her own shipyards? An island nation......
How are hey going to build submarines if no one can leave their homes?
In a word Feminism and remember 79 years ago the Allies found themselves in the same position but luckily the Soviet Union came to the rescue of the Allies. There is no soviet union now and Russia is more than likely to join with the Chinese and the rest of the countries that have had United States sanctions slapped on them so the US can steal their oil or land.
So let me ask you
How many islands do you know that have SHIPYARDS??? mention 5
@@mickavellian Great Britain, The Faroe Islands, Iceland, Hawaii, American Samoa 😀
"No matter how far you have traveled down the wrong road .... turn around"
Turkish proverb. Applies even more today.
I love that...
Yep, do a 180, back pedal, reverse up, or in this case SURFACE…..
I needed to hear that! Wonderful quote
Cut your losses and GTFO before it gets any worse
China: "Build 4 aircraft carriers and 13 submarines now!"
Australia: "Lock Melbourne down now and make 40 new episodes of Married at First Sight."
Good Thing you Have North America, Europe and even others as Allies! China just says they will attack you, US won't do anything, than US, and no one will Help US! All Because they Declare it, but in all reality they will be taking on NATO and Pacific Allies! And China will get Mauled! China is Delusional!
America, hold my beer watch me sink 4 aircraft carriers and 20 submarines
Your comment makes me feel sick because its so true
That's where we are at in Australia today bottom of the bird cage.
@@silentvoiceinthedark5665 When was the last time an aircraft carrier was sunk?
So long as they have a woke dance troop perform when the subs get launched I'm sure most Australians will think they are great.
With your IQ, what does "woke" mean?
@@alexlanning712 never use iq and woke in the same sentence
@@phoenix51472 Thank You for enlightening me, I still dont know if the word is a noun, or an adjective, or verb!
@@alexlanning712 It's an adjective.
14 years? By then Australia would be Chinese territory! The French are not in a position to complain about the cancellation of the deal.
Yeah does France really give a RA about Australia
were going to be soon anyway, theyve infiltrated everywhere and wouldnt surprise me if they have found a way to turn off the button to all media outlets phone networks banking etc setc and hold us to ransom, thats the war not ground troops.
14 years they will be obsolete.
@@nygardenguru If Australia becomes Chinese territory in 14years, then there'll certainly be conflict of interest. I'm hoping this will not be so.
There must have been other reasons why the French dealings fell apart, but we don't know all the reasons.
Lue Gordon obviously It's like a chess game positioning puts US presence there. France has no interest or capability in backing Australia as an ally in the long term
As Trump would say; "This is what happens when fools are making deals....what a disaster!!"
And he was the biggest fool making deals we ever had as President. What a MORON
@@teller628 = Nope! Best President EVER!!....Get over it.
@@teller628 Suck it. He'll be back soon.
@@teller628 That's totally stupid. That is exactly what a media brainwashed cultist would say being in a delusional world living in denial!
And every past PM was sure the ccp was a friend of Australia lol. What a bunch of nutters !
If it's a con job, break the contract, put the Aussies that negotiated it in jail, & start building your own.
you cant bring justice to your own stupidity. thats a shot in the foot and the head for the stability and reflection of Australia as a military and nation power.
Did you say F35 ?
@@joefish6091 no no I’ll have the f35b or is it c…
"Build your own" isn't a realistic option. At least, not one that won't take 10 to 20 years to yield fruit from. They need modern, super quiet area denial diesel electric boats within the next couple of years.
I'd say shitcan the contract wit the French and contract with either the Swedes or the Germans.
diesel? lmao.
"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - General Patton
Patton was a War God men like him are gone we are stuck with crap.
Right
Agreed
That’s worth remembering. Like it.
After WWII Patton wanted to take the American European Forces and attack Russia because he didn't trust Russia. MacArthur wanted to take the Pacific Forces and attack China. There reasoning for making such a bold move was they told President Truman that they had the equipment, they were mobilized and that America was going to have to fight them someday so it might as well be now. We had 27 aircraft carriers and 70% of the worlds naval vessels. During the signing of Japan's surrender documents they flew 525 B-29 Super Fortress bombers overhead as a sign of force. We could have conquered the world.
well, this aged pretty well
I came to say the same thing
What happened ?
@@emiliodiaz3927 they made a new deal with the UK and US for nuclear submarine technology, which has France pissed off
@@regalplays7135 They are all trying to ripoff Australia and Australia is falling for the oldest tricks in the book... Out of date subs: diesel and nuclear, ships, which can't be updated and so on... Sounds like an I phone made in China...
@@bonumdalek7107 they made a deal to supply them with the technology, nothing has been said about the model or construction of the subs themselves. And it's not just nuclear tech, it's a ton of stuff. And anyway, a ship isn't something you can update, only modernize to a point. Nuclear-capable submarines are a far better option for Australia if they want to effectively counter China
So Pauline Hanson was right about something the entire country lambasted her about. Again!
Like Trump...
Yes, AGAIN !!!! Pauline is the only one with brains.
Many such cases.
@@robryan751 Yeah but Pauline's been doing it for over 25 years.
@@Oligoogletookmyname LOL, I guess you dont think Trump hasn't? You have videos from over 20 years ago of him saying this stuff.
The French did the same thing to South Africa a few years ago. Kick backs and back hand deals still in court decades latter.
Also malaysia , a mongolian model got blow up when she try to get her cut from her lover
And the Germans (Frigates), the Spanish (Locomotives), the Swedish (Fighter Aircraft) .. anybody who wants to get their rocks off
South Africa .. the local bicycle .. everybody gets a ride.
Cancel the Fn thing get American Nuclear
That was the Germans with the three subs and four frigates. South African taxpayers paid dearly.
They did the same thing to Russia, Pakistan and even to their own navy
Naval group is incredibly corrupt
How pathetic do all those so called leaders look….. They make me sick
Well take the 666 off your name because that's a start of cringe.
@@Reactionary_Harkonnen Its just a number, don't let it freak you out.
@@uhtred7860 numbers to compensate for something else. lmao
""Five years of dawdling later not one rivet has been put into one plate". Sounds like a normal government project to me ....
Rivets are the days of Jules Verne .
"dawdling" not "doodling" lol
You guys need your own battle ready army and nuclear deterrents. In spite of the generations of brain-washing, go nuclear - no one will think of attacking you.
??? of course nothing happened in 5 years ,the deal (signed in 2016) said that the first sub would start being build in 2023.
Don't forget the F35. The propaganda warplane. Can't climb, can't dive, cant turn, can't fight, as one aircraft designer put it. Unit cost is horrific, maintenance cost horrific. It could not perform adequately against an F16.
28 military airplanes entering another country's airspace - is this not an act of war?
provocation, not a act of war, if it was you will know it, with all the shinny lights in the sky.
28 military airplanes entering another country's airspace - is this not an act of war?
Yes! It is... Much like 3 US Senators being transported by a huge Military Plane right smack into China!
China is trying to provoke Taiwan to respond by firing on their aircraft
That would then give China the excuse they are looking for to invade
Then by treaty the United States is obligated to help Taiwan
Ask the Syrians, invaded by air, sea and land by criminal hoards of murican thefts ....
Ordinarily yes
However it is accepted by all parties that there is only one China.
This is the status in the UN and confirmed by the US in the 1970s.
That is also the stance of the Communist Party of China and the Nationalist Party of China.
The latter resides on the Island of Formosa aka Taiwan as they fled the mainland in the process of losing the civil war.
I say losing as the civil war is still in place although actual fighting has ceased for the past 60 years
In other words the war is still technically on.
In other words
War yes
Invasion no
Can't invade your own country
Sounds like California's high speed train.
At least the commiefornia blokes have some track built..... those frenchie subs have not a single bolt placed into metal.
The train to nowhere will eventually go places, just not anywhere folks want to go......like Fresno!
They are pushing rail because the average person will not be able to fly in the future
@@johnjanuary9949 last I heard, the french only know how to make white flags. That's just what I heard. Maybe someone can confirm.
In 2008, voters approved what was supposed to be a $33-billion railroad completed by 2020. Today - and check back tomorrow, because these numbers could change - the cost has exploded to an estimated $105 billion and the current completion date estimate is 2044.
This is what you get when you deal with the French or even the EU. Just cancel it, the original conditions were not met so just cancel. Work it out yourselves, look to friendly nations for help and advice the just get on with it. DON'T trust the EU.
The EU is a mess, left wing corruption and lunacy is rife, the Chinese know the EU is a toothless tyrant outside of its own borders.
@@donk1822 Brexit is an embarrassing farce. Tory corruption, sleaze and incompetence is rife.
That's true...the EU is even in bed now with China... China they will slowly take over that as well and slowly dominate the planet...
@@damarekonayaro5781 oh shush....you still can't get over Brexit?...it's old news
I'm betting there is a Opt-Out clause in the contract costing Billions to break..
I’m so happy to see the AUKUS deal come about. Totally left of field, unexpected but absolutely needed. 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇦🇺
"What do you mean they're not nuclear subs?"
"Heavens no, they'll be powered by clean, environmentally friendly wind and solar."
"Submarines...powered by wind...and solar..."
"Oh. Submarines? Well drat. We thought we were building sandwich shops."
lol.
CCCanada bought subs with screen doors from Britain. Nice on a sunny day.
No, they are powered by silent hopes and dreams
😂💦
All the bells n whistles: convertible drop top, solar, wind.
And this folks is what happens when you spend your time having woke morning teas instead of doing the real hard thinking.
Agree
What does that even mean?
Yeah, it's disgusting what this world is turning into.
@James Lum Every time you bird watch you zoom in on its pecker.
You just wanted to saw "woke" didn't you?
As an American, the people of AU have my full support and prayers.
As an American, you probably can't offer them anything more than "support and prayers". You're both bankrupt.
@@insontibus sorry, can you elaborate on your comment?
@@insontibus it's "thoughts and prayers".
@no i wont say it to ur face thats y i said it here Love the handle! I agree, but we've got to focus more on the main game. We've dithered on China while trying to liberate the graveyard of empires. Wake up folks - we never finished those commies - Reaganites of the world unite! Love from Down Under.
@@insontibus : that's the reality for aussies, the yanquis can't afford anything more than support and prayers, being the cheap and conniving b____rds that they are. This is hilarious.....LOL
After 3 female defence minister's this is how the Country is managed,, we NEED strong leadership, we have it with DUTTON..
Just like East-West Link tunnel, "some" people got very rich from this "con-job", a LOT more richer than $1.2b bungled deal tho ;)
Including Malcolm Turdball?
Easy answer: UK Astute-class submarines. Build the first couple in the UK while Australia tools up. Will have to go to the UK for reactor maintenance and refueling, but that's not going to happen very often. Won't cost $90Bn AU either. Wake up Australia or your grandchildren will be speaking chinese!
And the British manufacturer of those British subs could even build them at their own facility right here in Victoria!
the children in the uk wont be speaking chinese just praying 5 times a day
@@sko1beer ?? Lol care to elaborate .
Yes i'd agree on capability and cost, that would be the best sub to buy off the shelf
1 billion pounds a pop for the best submarines. It's a highly secret sub program for the UK but Australia would not be a security breach so not an issue there. French tech only goes fast backwards.
The Chinese threat will be ignored until it’s too late,just like japan was in the 30s
Methinks tis already too late.
TOO LATE
At least Japan turned out ‘civilized’! The ChiComs went the opposite direction at warp speed!
The difference now is I'll fight and die for the civilized world, Japan included. Omitting corruption and beurocracy of course.
Ya fucking liars, China isn't threatening war, and Taiwan IS a part of China, pull out a history book. Taiwan's real name is The Republic of China.
It's AUSTRALIAN warships that have been and are sailing through Chinese waters 10,000kms away, it's AUSTRALIAN warships that are being parked in Vietnam next door, and it's AUSTRALIAN warships that are playing wargames next door in Sth Korea with America, skirting Chinese waters intentionally.
So who's the warmongers here? Who wants war other than Sky News ...
Australia's Submarine project sounds like California's High Speed Rail project.
Yeah, and we haven't seen a single rail put down yet, and our freeways are shit even though tney are constantly workinb on them, sad
The Australian taxpayer is funding the purchase of French designed nuclear submarine that is being converted into a diesel powered submarine which also has US control systems being retrofitted into the submarine.
What could possibly go wrong?
I hear they already have a crew, all of them have aquaphobia.
you couldnt plan for a worse situation unless you had help in that direction
Where do the furry dice go? Refitting from nuclear to diesel- madness.
@@poppaleggansquat3640 it is outrageous.
@@mistadopeman exactly, sounds like a great way to waste billions of hard earned cash on the equivalent of a white elephant.
We should be getting nuclear subs for that price.
Seawolf class Nucsub 3.5 billion, you guys can buy 20 and save the rest.
@@briancarter3717 I've been saying they should have bought them from America and Britain all along. Probably could have secured some Virginia class purchases too.
We’d have so many we could never crew them….
We need to include a few SSBNs too.
never has any country sold any nuclear sub to anyone
HAHA. ‘THEY SENT A “VERY”” SKILLED FEMALE NEGOTIATOR. CLASSIC HONEY TRAP.
What was the bill for the all inclusive dinner?
Oh yeah, 93 billion plus, took a dive on that one!
Nothing like a envelope of Cash and some pretty young girl to clear your mind and do whatever CCP wants
Haha... Yup.... Detroit is now in Mexico
@@davidderler5924 what has the CCP got to do with it?That sweet young thing is French sent by the French govt!
@ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The only French Sub I'm interested in is a ham and cheese baguette
Lol 😂 damn that sounds good. Funny but still sound good 🤣
Hold the Mayo?
Australian defence can never purchase any thing without some form of fakups
They’re not helped by our newspapers. It is actually the fear of failure which leads to the selection by committee of the safest options , which turn out to be useless far in the future when the blame cannot be attributed to anyone.
SpaceX on the other hand has many expensive failures rapidly but learns and adapts it’s learnings. Fail fast and fail often is an approach to developing far superior systems than committees driven by fear will ever allow.
its called planned treason sabotage from the satanic ziomasonc occupied parasites money power that controls Australia and all nations stupid .
north Korea built one of the largest armys with a pittance of the
economy that we had in Australia, its the Corruption that our problem
Come buy from England, we don't 'play' at war, and if we say we are going to do something, and shake on it, it gets done.🏴🇬🇧🇭🇲
@@madebymonkeys5641 bring on the 1000000+ uv sunblock going to need it
Bloody Turnbull, a true blight on Australia's history !
After Rudd, Gillard, Rudd, Abbott, Turnbull - I despaired for this country. Got to give props to Scomo though I never would have thought it. Albo? Gawd help us :)
@@fredbloggs8369 Scomo really? he is to busy looking after Hill song and the Murdoch media and His Qanon mate to worry about defense, all add man talk and no action.
@@stephenwade8093 Look I'm not a died in the wool ideologue - but having screwy mates is not an indictment surely? I have mates who believe in chemtrails, truther conspiracies etc. I think they're nuts on those topics so we've agreed to disagree. We're still mates though. I don't like religion in politics but Hillsong are just tambourine waving pratts, aren't they? They're not Branch Davidian I hope?
No the worst thing that happened to australian pilitics was john howard.
He took our weapons,intoduces junior wages(slave labour),gst,547,visas,opened study and work visas and he put in place the dreadful tax plans on tobacco and alcohol that rudd put into place
Sad, the only way i can get the real news is watching outside the US.
Then you probably havent heard this ruclips.net/video/0c7vInnhSlY/видео.html
same here in canuckistan
Jajaja I learned that decades ago
Agreed! American media should be ashamed how they manipulate the stories or don't even bother reporting!
@@donalddon5many US politicians are bought and owned by China.
It is a good point that the seriousness of this situation has required a show of unity by NATO and others which doesn't happen except in rare circumstances.
maybe they can sell it to canada?
Ugh…. Unity… starting to dislike that word
Germany became a dictatorship because of fear people will become deadly poor.
Australia is becoming a dictatorship for fear of a virus.
Both countries evolved into dictatorships under the eyes of the whole world.
So, Australia united with whom? China maybe? Australia is not part of the western world anymore...
Remember the Axis? Germany, Italy, Japan...
Now we have Australia, China, North Korea...
What show of unity by Nato?
With the US shifting it’s gaze towards China, and following Brexit, isn’t it obvious that Nato is in trouble?
The free-loading EU need to wake up and form an EU defence force, so they can defend their own interests.
It’s obvious that the US and UK have given up on the EU rolling up it’s sleeves militarily.
They're probing, looking for weaknesses, seeing what they can get away with.
I reckon they will come in from under your bed - 'probing' & all - lol
They were trying to force the Taiwanese to react in a way of escalation. Imo.
ALL WE NEED TO DO IS FREE THE MILLION'S OF PEOPLE THAT CHINA HAS IN CONCENTRATION CAMP'S AND AIR DROP THEM WEAPON'S ...
They can get away with anything they want, they're on the p5 in the UNSC. The UN can't touch them. Until the UN has gone they'll keep going till they've won.
TINY PHILIPPINES IS GETTING NUCLEAR SUB'S .. MAYBE WE CAN ASK THEM TO DEFFEND US - ::: (
You could purchase 6 US nuclear submarines tried and proven and ready to go - for half the price and half the time, Turnball & Payne (end the contract) the French reneged on its deal.
The Franch reneged on the deal??? That's suprising! (Not)
Come buy from England, we don't 'play' at war, and if we say we are going to do something, we do it. 🏴🇬🇧🇭🇲
The US doesn’t sell anyone nuclear subs, only conventional.
@@madebymonkeys5641 Hate to break it to you, but I believe you're English submarines may infact be made in Scotland.
There for buy Great British submarines, at least until Scotland eventually leaves.
What Australia needs are Fuel Cell AIP submarines.
Small, silent and deadly.
Mistake number 1 - you trusted the french.
2- ditto
3- ditto
Mistake number 1- incompetent Defence Minister
2- government refuses to acknowledge issues and would rather push on because defence spending is popular with voters
3- government is more concerned about the small fee for breaking the contract than the tens of billions these shitty submarines will cost us
Mistake number 4 . Turnbull made the decision
@@patrickdowdle9931 yep, that would explain why Sky is actually giving coverage to this specific government stuff up
Interesting to see this a few months later, now that Australia is thankfully out of that rotten deal. The updated deal with US, UK for nuclear powered subs is far better.
And more costly.
...if they can build subs better than they build cars haaahaahaa...!!!
Don't be ashamed, isn't this exactly how most governments do their arms shopping whether it's tanks, ships, planes or bullets like ordering a camo wedding dress that's too small and the big day is next week.
What else would you do with a complete lack of morals, no common sense, and a blank check.
if this gets off the ground, selling subs to other countries is right behind this project, if it happens
It's a very sad time for politics. Lines are drawn. Military conquistadores, and politics that don't respect humans. It's way too late for the common man... there is a war on with politicians. Can we have the politicians FIGHT each other in a BOXING RING? That might be a way to settle all this talk and graft and selfish greed worldwide. Let the politicians fight each other and we'll all bet on outcomes like the political idiots to speculate on.
@@yahwea Dreamer.
Contract goes to the cheapest bidder
Dam this sounds familiar, anyone guess the U.S ? spending billions of dollars on projects that never get done ,but fills a lot of pockets
lol hahaha
For $90 billion you could have had 10 QE carriers, 30 Astute subs and change for beer money.
Just saying...
Buy British boys.
shit word 9i think our new carrier costs 13 billion someone got wrecked.
could buy over 100 B-21 raiders too.
@Jo D yikes
Don't play around buy nuclear submarines from the United States.
Scomo being the treasurer of that deal does sounds "amazing". 😁
Crocodile Dundee: "That's not a sub. THAT'S a sub.."
tee hee hee (you comical idiot)
i see you've played knifey subby before
Ok so all the people of Australia need to do is demand the politicians and money men involved in this submarine contract are named and held accountable. Meanwhile continue to build our Defense capabilities. No more politics , no more bullshit. It’s time for action Australia 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺 no need to drag south Australia into the B S , it’s a federal government failure !
All you need to know. ruclips.net/video/g2vnciriE_Q/видео.html
Their names are in here....
ruclips.net/video/g2vnciriE_Q/видео.html
I thought PYNE (The Mincing Poodle) was a South Aussie Fed pollie...........before jumping ship, to a very highly paid position directly associated with pre-exit pyne's portfolio.....
Hypo Red Rogers
I’m pretty sure it’s the Australian defence force mate.
@@boonnathan9827 defence contractors and bureaucrats actually
ruclips.net/video/g2vnciriE_Q/видео.html
Christopher pine needed this submarine nightmare to get one more term in politics. He's retired now, let that sink in.
While I agree with you both, you would enhance your argument by at least spelling his name right. It's Pyne.
Pyne was under the Morrison Gov and this Submarine deal was continued before the election BY THE LIBERALS...I love Andrew Bolt because he says, how it is.
Exactly. And Pyne jumped ship the moment he thought new PM Morrison would lose the 2019 election. Just the sort of guy you want making decisions about defending Australia. No doubt he will receive an honor for his "years of selfless work for the Australian community".
@@every1665 yep ur spot on, Pyne is a leach , a little sarcastic spineless example of a man
Fits in really well thou in the libs
He felt right at home.
Like you say the rats allways desert a sinking ship(in his case that’s wat he thought)
And sitting pretty financially on the tax payers dime.
Such a pleasure for an American to hear real journalism. Thank you Sky News.
SKY News is junk and worse than anything is the U.S other than CNN which is the worst. Its a British media outlet but the Aus version is dam good.
Sky n Fox are from the same family! Both equally bad! Lol
@@hylimm You must be a nut bag lefty.
Lie News is so fantastic 👏 🤣🤣🤣
You never learn from history! the French are World masters at spinning diplomacy and this is just another example. Diesel-powered submarines are not fit for purpose on todays oceans. Australia have finally realised this and goneforthe topshelf.
As an American, I'm so happy that Australia has made the right choice.
Australia "A nuclear free zone" may as well be an " intelligence free zone"
Yeah, I recall when that campaign back in the 80s as a kid, if memory serves, that Kiwi PM, Lange started that BS movement.
@Websiteguy 2 Lol. You are mixing up a helluva a lot.
@Websiteguy2 Nuclear energy is an inherent part of the physical universe. There is a massive concentration of thorium and uranium in the earth. Fission of thorium and uranium isotopes inside the earth drives plate tectonics.
more like brainless zone...
Gun free zone and safe for invasion?
With our governments, who needs enemies? Boy are we going to get spanked.
Yes.
Malcolm Turnbull........ pure dickhead
Not goung to get we're beung spanked right now. Jezus wake up people tomorrow is here and it is time to react to those issues today.
Diesel subs are more desirable in many ways don’t just buy what some people on a screen are telling you talk to actual submarine crewman. ruclips.net/video/hcfPOmG4V2g/видео.html
@@dorjedriftwood2731 My statement wasn't against diesel. It was wasting money on subs from France that won't be there until 2040.
The French regrettably helped China build the Wuhan Institute of Virology's BSL-4 laboratory.
@20 21 yeah right no one will pay...wake up...you cant see the agenda
The French also helped fund the leaking Chinese nuke plant.
The USA definitely had a hand in that virus program.
@@waynecash9169 dude every bloody man and his dog did even Australia...blame China because really they do some wicked stuff!!! But tell me a government who wouldnt love to control viruses...i mean its a no brainer
The CCP have delivered to the world the results of the research which many democratic countries paid them for.
The USA loves Australia. It takes only one of our current nuclear subs to easily replace twenty of France's diesel powered subs. Glad to see you didn't buy the crap you were being sold.
Uh?
1: it was Oz that asked France to turn its nuclear subs into conventional ones;
2: not two weeks ago a French built Scorpene class diesel sub manned by a Chilean crew ONCE AGAIN lectured the US navy.
Povmerd
@@jetaddicted Well you get in your diesel sub and I'll get in my state of the art nuke sub and let's see what happens. The fact is the USA was protecting Australia from making a grave mistake. If France doesn't like the fact that they were caught selling WW II era shit is to damn bad.
Sorry, I love my Australian cousins with all my heart but anyone who believes they'll get a straight up deal from France for just about anything but most especially military hardware is mentally out of plumb!
Makes sense, in Australia our plumbs hang up.
Uhh, American history says otherwise. In fact, it was the US that gave france a series of raw ass deals right after the revolution.
Because the US won't sell us their highest tech gear unfortunately ;/
The Australian government does not have a clue regarding Aaustralia's defence. A bloody joke.
Yes they do, they rely on America for our defence like every other previous government, because we can’t stand on our own two feet. We are weak, we always have been and always will be. Don’t forget the Brisbane Line is still part of our national defence strategy. Such a joke.
Never too worry. U.K. Is always there to defend her colony.
Alarmed when guys chose French subs instead of Japanese ones. Of course, Japanese subs have a major drawback. They don't offer kickbacks.
The japanese ones are 50% lighter and would have been made 100% in Japan. Dont forgot it. plus they were using untested technology.
It always easier to attack France than admit that your country did mistakes and is responsible of the situation your are in now.
@@johndoe-cd9vt Exactly, the AU government wanted all of these add ons and capabilities. They DCMS told them they would have to go up to the new class sub coming out years later that was under development and the AU bought into the development program. So its purely AU's fault for accepting a sub that was only in blueprint phase. They should have purchased off the shelf subs to tide themselves over while they developed the next gen sub. This way they would have had short term capability, while developing their naval manufacturing base.
@@karakiri283 The Japanese Soryu-class was offered with a tender for the first several to be made in Japan with Australian engineers training and working alongside and then building the rest in Australia with technology transfers. Also, the Australian version of the Soryu was modified from the Japanese version to be longer, heavier, with extended range and capabilities. Most of the drawbacks (including range and composition) would've been mitigated by the extension and potential design mods.
@@karakiri283 well..the japanese subs existed.
I'm glad Australia canceled the useless French submarines. US and UK would provide better defense systems.
Bet a lot people wish they didn't give Howard their guns now!
Ex ADF suggestion is for a US style National Guard, for ex mil, ex police and emergency services, civilians who pass a police check.
I agree, but also support a state militia type setup. Each can be activated by Premier, state GG's, Fed Minister for Defence, to aid ADF or for state emergency needs.
We face occupation and loss of territory, and one strategist suggests genocide. Months or years to prep.
@@jeremyh.pritchard5325 you must be joking once a cop never a rational thought again.
Australia gave up there guns!??? Sorry , I missed that one out here in Ohio USA 🇺🇸. If so, ur fooked mate.
@@jeremyh.pritchard5325 yes.
Problem with people in this country is they are just Dumb and Nieve . The Country is going off the rails and fast and heading over a cliff from which we will not come back.
Australia's first and biggest mistake, they trusted the French. If you want to have the best non nuclear submarines speak to the Swedish. You could have saved a fortune.
Maybe going with Japan would have been better. Regional uniformity with a common goal of containing China.
@peppertrout and would be better made...
The Russian Varshavyankas are the best non-nuclear submarine.
NOW you tell me, in Canada. We ALWAYS by British cast-offs (literally) ships that don't float and subs and can't SINK.
@@MrDCrosswell We can't use it, they are our enemies. Don't ask me why and how, or what did they do to us, but they are, it's god given and has to be like that. We shall not buy their vaccine either. We better pay more for Clotted Astra, because Astra is our friend, and Russia is our enemy and health of our people comes first. Clotted health. Don't ask me why..... We need submarines to defend our freedom at any cost of Taiwanese's lives. We have to show those Chinese, once and for all that Taiwan is ours, not their and that they are our enemies. Don't ask me......oh well, it's god given, isn't it!!!
Sounds less like "upgrading military equipment" and more like "providing a loan under the guise of upgrading military equipment"
Taiwan is Chinese, the west should bug off.
@@churchofthelastvasectomy190 Cool story bro lmao
@@churchofthelastvasectomy190 Did The Taiwanese vote to join back with China? They were a Chinese colony once, but don't want to repeat the cycle again.
Gpod point
Would you rather they buy them “off the shelf” and dump that money into a foreign economy. France is a very capable arms manufacturer and diesel subs are actually quite remarkable ruclips.net/video/hcfPOmG4V2g/видео.html
Doc on the diesel Gotland class from Sweden channel will tell you everything you need about subs.
Australia, protect yourselves! The UK will stand with you, as you stood with us, mates 🇬🇧
As of Sept 2021 it’s interesting to see this report from Sky Australia in light of AUKUS.
Yes my thoughts exactly... skynews has been in the loop and have been geeing us all up for what was revealed last week... Murdoch and the lnp need to get the hell out of power
Indeed, Brexit Britain unleashed
Biased journalism. No possibility offered to the French side to present its explanations. I'm also wondering what does this 'business analyst' really understand about such a complex long range multi-billion contract. Someone with a genuine experience in this type of projects would have been needed.
John Simmons No difference at all .If USA and even Australia is stupid enough to start a war because of Taiwan they will get it .China is not interested on a conflict because they know they can outmuscle Taiwan and also USA without any shot fired
@@goenzoy712 so no country should arm to defend its citizens incase it antagonizes China, your a bit wishy washy mate
I wouldn’t buy a French car!!
BUT A SUBMARINE, LET ME SIGN THE CHECK.
Money down the drain!!
When I first read that I thought it said 'I wouldn't buy a French cat 🐱'
Why wouldn’t you buy a French car? I’ve had quite a few over the years, and they’re very reliable cars. Never had a problem.
@@xavieryates9782 french cars are rubbish, performance wise, parts are rubbish, not innovative, basically the same league as a citreon, daewoo, korean cars basically, keep buying them though thinking they are 'reliable'
Maybe you don't know that much about submarines. One of America's ballistic missile submarines has the capacity of hitting 170 targets with a nuclear strike. It is a force to be reckoned with. How many do we have roaming the oceans of the world???
@@herbroberts8483 I agree completely. In fact, there should be some sort of a global weapons reduction agreement in the world, especially among the most powerful nations, not the opposite. I’m aware that war is also big business for some, and that the weapons industry is perhaps the largest in the world, as a trans-nation aggregate, but things need to change. What good is it to anyone that we have the capability to annihilate the planet many times over and render it uninhabitable for centuries? No country can ever hope to ‘win’ a war like that.
Why you need these ??? The Chinese would be your only "enemy " and you already let them in
Great point
We need them because Malcolm told us so..
@@Angrybogan why did you and your neighbours agree ??
oh snap!
@@mickjenner6697 Globalist propaganda
Then the French wonder why they were left out of the submarine talks between the US/UK and Australia.
If the French didn't want a Sub right away, then maybe they weren't needed to participate in the talks.
I'll buy their cheap bière and camping gaz, but fout the submarines right off.
French gov continue to earn the stupid award year after year.
I like the folk from Oz, but crikey...what in the world is happening in the land of the down under. Fire all of your patsy politicians and get a real gov in there who care about the people, not these dumb marxist deouche bags.
Macron and France trying to play with the big boys and being told to go away
"the details from this video are wrong, the deal was signed in 2016 and the Australian government announced in 2014 that the subs most likely WONT be build in Australia"
A strong military is not for war,
it's to avoid war in the first place.
Pacifism does not bring peace, it leaves vacuums. Peace through strength is not just a slogan from Reagan it’s a reality!
A wise king does not seek out war ....war of Iraq lmao
Oh yeah, like in America s case you mean!?
@@davidprosser457 yeah I mean I did mention irag war lol we lose 5k in one building then go blow up millions. Still blows my mind a 5k loss started a giant decades long war 😂
Weakness is NOT a virtue! Weakness has never been respected by humans or in nature!
Really , do we expect China to be afraid of western nations grappling with pronouns ? 😅
Heck, last time china went to war the tiny island of Japan kicked their asses sides ways before lunch. Commies are useless and pathetic.
@@Les537 Japan isn't tiny it bigger than Germany.
@@kevionrogers2605 which makes Germany teeny tiny lol
California is bigger than japan…
@@CorgiCorner California isn't small its the third largest state in the USA. Japan is 93.57% the size of California. Economy wise it's the third largest with only USA and China being larger. If you compare California's economy to every state and nation globally it ranks fifth behind China, Japan, Germany, United Kingdom. Japan is about 4.1 trillion USD versus California is about 2.6 trillion USD.
@@kevionrogers2605 but if you take into account median age California is almost 10 years younger than japan so theres that
How quickly and happily this situation has changed!
Thank God we've ditched the lemon French deal.
Sad thing is it was an obvious lemon from the beginning. In the defense of the French, I don't think they tried to hide that fact.
Don't worry boys we Brits will build you those nice quiet modern nuclear subs :)
And bought a even bigger, more obsolete lemon..
happily? mark my words: the "new" sub will be delayed, and will cost more the french one (since it's nuclear one)
@@vasopel I don't think one sub is going to put up much of a fight against the Chinee fleet. Are you sure its just one?
How is the F-22 or F-35 a problem?
The F-22 is "old" but still the best and the F-35 is just starting to see it's potential. What's the problem?
Centuries old saying: "Never trust the French."
still guillotining people in the 70s
More contemporary French saying - NTM (the rap band, not the lung disease! )They still worship that syphilitic little Corsican we despatched to St Helena.
Unless your Scotland.
They are our Old Allie...
No one likes the French they are the rudest society I've ever encountered with a sense of entitlement and superiority over everyone.
@@bigsteve6729 The word I use is hauteur.
I'm confused. If the contract they signed is not the service they're getting, shouldn't that mean they're in breach of contract and the contract thrown out? Or are the negotiators that incompetent that they didn't read the contract properly before signing?
all under the tab;e mafia contracts....
@@erikjohansen9154 If I owe you $1000, I've got a problem. If I owe you $1 million, you've got a problem. How many billions have already been payed out?
The scope was probably not fully defined and now the French are driving an 18 wheeler down the Aussie's throat. I hope there is a good escape clause that the Aussie can limit their lost.
Sometimes there are contracts with room for design changes, but, gosh, how far into the project are they? Thought they just now made the agreement. In this case they would be seriously screwed. A 40 yr project was it. Oh.my.gosh.
@@edwardbernays8514 Sadly only too true. Fear mungering great for USA and weapons manufacturers and sales
China doesn't need to do anything it just needs to look and laugh
Maybe feed it’s people, might get one over 4ft high.
@@calummacleod4416 how dare you insult their kung fu super soldiers?!?! 😂😂😂
F-ck China 🥴
@@davidlangley2064 , you are a losser, jealous man
And your dead to China no matter how much you kiss their ass, come invasion & war.
We should have pulled out of the French sub deal ages ago when they offered us an upgrade of fly screens
I said to Aussies many years ago the only way Australia stayed safe for a hundred and fifty years was because of the strength of the British Navy ir was world wide we do not need you poms for anything they replied I said Australia could end up being threatened by a powerful Chinese military 😉 Well OZ what now.
They had a sinking feeling about the whole program.
Ifs it was not truly serious it would be so funny. Wars almost always begins with words. The truth is the world is is waiting for who will pull the trigger, this is what is so scary.
You're right. They've truly fallen off the deep end with this one. Sunk the whole thing under.
🤣🤣
Out of 2,800 comments, you're the only one who thought of wording it so cleverly, ...Tip my hat to you!
There’s always ‘that guy’ that takes the conversation way too far!
LOL
It's about time we go nuclear subs, Virginia class from the US is a good start
But New Zealand won't let them visit. I suspect that the Chinese may be visiting them anyway.
What good is a submarine when China can release a virus which terrorizes the world?
@@denskiz1 Depends how scared people are of a virus but what does a virus have to do with choosing the right submarine for the Royal Australian Navy?
Also you do realise that during ww1 there was the Spanish flu that killed many more people than the China virus
This all sounds like an episode of "Yes Minister"
Looks more like a typical day in US politics, to me.
France needs a rich uncle to support their social programs.
@Loading Opinions The British invented Submarines, radar, broke the Enigma code, etc. You have no idea who or what you’re talking about. And yet you have such strong opinions.
Yes, we do need the US. In the event of WW3 we need to act as one. The Chinese, Russians, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea would roll over the US without the rest of the world too. We are deeply in shit if you didn’t notice.
@@chongxina8288 "broke the Enigma code" are you sure?
@@ichangedmyusername1553 It wouldn’t matter. “Nuclear sub technology” please. We invited Submarines. 💁🏼♂️🇬🇧 If push comes to shove, the UK, Europe, the US, India, we’ll all need each other.
If they are riveting your subs, you’re going to have a bad time.
But yeah, this is bad.
Hahaha!
Andrew Bolt thinks they're building 1860's Southern civil war subs, that didn't work out too good!
I knew that 2-stroke Victa engine wasn't such a good idea.😞
@Southeastern777 The French won you that war of independence that you like to bang on about ;)
You think they're not riveted?
You think they use glue maybe??
Australia is spending hundreds of billions in military to protect its trade route with china from China. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's unreal
Australians need a new master (China), they should stop roaming in-front of their old master (US).
But, you know what would be really great? If Australians wake up and be more than sons & daughters of convicts. Rise up to your identity - which is to be more than a pet!
@@ahmedshinwari
tf?
@@ahmedshinwari To you, envy is everything
Should of gone with the Japanese option when it was on the table. Tony Abbott was the clown that made this mistake
Listening to Peta Credlin
The Barracuda class are far better
I don't know why this came up to in my recommendations!! Or is it due to AUKUS!! Yeah!! Let's go Anglosphere!! UK USA and Australia. Nuclear subs is the way to go.
UK needs to build it's Armed forces back up.
Funny how we still pretend that we can do anything in this country.
Sending a great message to any potential enemies.
Dude this is fake news the barracuda class is an excellent boat. Subs take a decade or more to build and your money is going back into economy. No scandal.
The UK needs to build and send the Astute class
- Nuclear-powered attack submarines, much better that French crap. The UK owes as much to Australia I think, if not just two of them right now from the UK and build more.
Sounds like the Australian version of Britain’s Nimrod aircraft or the Westland helicopter scam.
Sounds like it's time for the Illinois Enema Bandit!! That's what it sounds like!!
Nimrod aircraft... managed by a bunch of nimrods.
@@OffGridInvestor I like a good rod every now and then. So did the Illinois Enema Bandit.
Indeed mate, but did either of those cost $90bn clams? Oh and that's just the projected cost. Expect that to blow-out substantially. Projected operating costs are another hundred bn (+). Us Aussies are proud to pull our weight in the US alliance (unlike most of Europe) but we ain't quite as big a dog as our old friend Uncle Sam, and we shouldn't pretend we are. Your SSNs are a thing of beauty, but out of our league, alas (assuming you're American?)
Or the Spanish submarine,I live in Spain,which as the price tag soared put on so much weight that they realised it wouldn't be able to resurface and had to be redesigned .
whenever buying from the French be aware that it is always a create work programme for the French first and foremost. Getting allies to share the bill for this is the goal
Wait, what? Ever gotten weapons from another country without properly macho Instructors?
Even the German minister acknowledged regarding the FCAS 6th gen fighter program, that German and Spanish contributors where paying the development of the plane France wants. If they don't get it their way, they shall probably break out capitalising all learned, as they did with the Eurofighter, to conceive from there on their Rafele. No wonder the Italians wisely chose to join the BAE initiative.
I have a better idea for Aussies , why don't them buy directly to PRC ?!? As for buying from the French ( plus German ), remember Eurocopter EC 665 Tiger , Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter 22 were bought by 2001 and 18 of them assembled through AUSTRALIAN AEROSPACE ...! "Une véritable réussite"; so to say those war choppers are used extensively in West Africa by both White-flagged French & Germans for a while when yours , as far as overhaul + maintenance is concerned , need an expensive trash basket
Plus you never get a service package from the French. They don't give a monkeys. They take your cash... fix it for themselves send out substandard product as its not for them and you get a hell of a job for spare parts.
Well, now you are getting nuclear submarines from The US, so you are saved!
The French have well and truly mugged you guys over this. Should have bought the RNs Astute class.
Maybe they will? New trade deal just signed between Aus and UK.
A lot cheaper as well.
Australia don't do nuclear vessels, and if they wanted to they just dont have the infrastructure. The Astutes could never have been an option
@@internetenjoyer1044 Well.....they should do.
Scotland would be pleased to do a deal with Australia in future.
You are adults making decisions, but it's like listening to children talk..
Or they are talking to children.
Ever watched Parliament question time?? pre school kids behave better than them. Most should be tried for treason anyways. All the under the table deals with china.
@@mredd2nd spot on,
Treason bit strong but accurate. In China they'd have them all kneel in a square and shoot them in the back of their head. Not a bad idea for the majority of our policies. Self serving scum
Childish small brainers bragging and chest beating, eager for a war. Send them to the front lines and see them S#@T their pants. and come back in a body bag. NOt many here are advocating for PEACE NOT WAR!
And I thought the UK defence strategy was bad! At least we build most of our own ships. 🇬🇧
It's hysterical how upset the French are that their con job got scuttled
We urgently need nuclear power plants (let's lie and say it's for climate xhange) which will support our new nuclear powered and armed subs. We need this in train NOW!
its to late. they take years to build. we're fucked big time. plus the stupid greens party would tell us its bad for climate change, yet people are so stupid to vote for them.
not to mention but all the college dole bludgers think we should get rid of fossil fuels. i didn't realise tanks ran on solar power hahahahah. fucking idiots
For the subs yes! they already produce the Yellow cake in Australia not for the energy needs of state they would just need to puty more solar and wave power in play with better power transmittion and storage. A whole new industry and loads of jobs just keep it out of Goverment hands remember the insulation Farce where people died becuase they didnt understand electricity. I installed insulation for it almost killed me with the heat in maties roof space! Should be done in the morning before it gets hot.
good point
@@fabriglas true but that means nothing if you don't have a nuclear power plant. which still takes a loooooong time to build plus there's all the legislation from 1998 which would need to change. so not really a quick fix. as for solar what happens on a rainy day and you haven't charged your batteries. then what
How will subs be built in Adelaide with electricity from only windmills and solar panels? Oh; I know; they have a battery!
When I first read about this a few years ago I thought immediately that Australia could have the same subs America has for the price they are paying for this new non nuclear sub. You should just buy the subs from allied country's. I know it is best that a nation produce it's own weapons whenever possible but sometimes it is just not possible to build them yourself and get the best. Better move fast. China won't be waiting for you to get you stuff in order.
We have stepped up our "defence" spending, buying ex-USA anti-ship missiles and long range ballistics etc, along with Apache helicopters etc - but for now, nuclear power hasn't been granted approval, soon maybe, once we see that another Chernobyl/Fukushima isn't going to happen... Might be in line for ex-USA Virginia class subs in the next decade or more
@@joebloggs5833 The US doesn't sell nuclear submarines but there's an interesting argument to be made that most countries should prefer diesel--they can be made to be truly silent whereas the steam in nuclear vessels produces a detectable, audable frequency.
I’m a us citizen and a huge gun rights advocate, a few years ago I was having a conversation with a few Australian gun owners about how here in the USA having assault weapons as a right was very important to most of us and they laughed at me and said they didn’t mind gun control and only being able to own what their gov gave them permission too was ok . With China knocking on your door shortly and your now tyrannical government,I wonder if they feel the same way . Gun ownership is a helpful deterrent from invasion . Like that Japanese general said , you can’t invade America , there would be a gun behind every blade of grass ! Yes there would
...and in Texas, we can legally carry a gun on our hip, with no license. Just like the good ol' days.
How about buying a few off eBay? They'll come with free manuals written in both Mandarin and Cantonese. You can always give a low rating if they aren't working.
Since they're gonna be Chinese built, why don't you save some money and get 'em from Jack Ma ?
Who knows ? Maybe Jack Ma can give you a billion or two in commission.
The manuals are actually in Mandarin, google-translated into English. Good luck reading it.
@@alvinjunior4595 And weapon systems do not allow to target China or its assets, but then again its Chinese made so that only works maybe :D
Ali Baba
Ebay?
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Scrap the deal. Buy American subs, nuclear. Do it now. Listen to general jim.
What makes you imagine the USA would even allow Australia to buy nuclear subs?
It's not how it works. The Australian MoD put out a tender and only three consortium's answered: A French one, a Japanese one and a German one. Americans weren't interested.
Why Nuclear?
@Hans Tuber Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong; but I don't think that any US company has designed any non-nuclear submarines in over 50 years.
Obviously the OP hasn't got a remote clue but just had to comment anyway. Sums up the audience of sky news...
Even if Uncle Sam would agree - it would likely be a lease. Plus we can't fuel/maintain them in Aus, so we'd have to regularly recycle them to the US west coast which would limit their operational utility. I would love them, don't get me wrong, but the consensus even among advocates is we probably lack the infrastructure to keep them viable.
@@danieleyre8913 I think your right. The U.S Navy hasn't fielded a conventionally powered sub for decades. They borrowed a Goathland Class sub off the Swedish Navy to test their systems against a conventionally powered sub and apparently they were mightily impressed.
How does a program’s cost balloon like this before construction has even begun? There’s no telling how expensive this project will become
In the US its been the norm for so long its normal. Its actually a strategy to sell a program but don't scare the legislature with the real price tag or problems. Wait until so much is invested that its actually cheaper to continue than cancel.
price of resources have sky rocket due to all the printing done by the central banks due to covid 19 shutdowns. Probably wages have been effected also, or will be effected .... inflation has hit international commodity markets. Only real way to protect yourself is by physical assets like precious metals or maybe even cryptos.
Money laundering. Western governments are full of commies.
Look at Sub Brief's Video "Fleecing the Future Submarine Program" to learn more.
ruclips.net/video/g2vnciriE_Q/видео.html
@@LupusAries Was gonna recomend that video too. Explained it pretty well tbh.
No wonder Australia ripped up the French contract to do business with the U.S.
Australia need’s to be more intelligent and be more careful when negotiating with foreign countries, especially when it comes to the Defence of our nation.
NEVER put the defense of your Nation in the hands of ANYONE ELSE BUT YOURSELVES!!!!
Australia needs polititions that actually care about the people they are meant to represent instead of just their own greed and interests.
As a American, I say both of our Governments and Many other governments have been infiltrated and infected by politicians that have the Globalist Agenda as a priority and not the country that they are suppose to represent...
@@MrHyde-wv8wi The Chinese are not stupid , they will continue to use Money as a weapon to invade ( Buy off people , buy land , steal tech etc etc ) And as it stands the diversity imported has totally fractured any real ability to push back as a united European Anglo Australia , USA etc ( It's already over rover , do you people not get what has already taken place ) WW3 was cultural war on European man woman etc , you lost .
@@MrHyde-wv8wi I agree totally. The current politicians around the world are not taking care of their citizens they are working for the Illuminati and the NWO. By 2024 we shall be enslaved if we don't wake up.
Sounds like they are blaming everyone but themselves....
its china
@@ssblue9576 Still play balls with Scrotum Morrison?
Enjoy his wonderful brilliant debt trap for decades to come.
Yet it was a liberal govt that made the choice, they seem to think that Turnbull was from a different party.
It must be galling that they can't blame the Greens for this…
This is just an opinion piece
Hmm? For starters jail the betrayers who set up the contracts. Next recall ALL Australian foreign service staff from France.
Dead right Marshall Law should brought in to deal with this horrendous betrayal!
@@binhnguyeb8901 so much coruption
Australia, this is an embarrassing thing to be linked to your beautiful and respected country. Now, they'll say "once was a respected nation!" Try to make amends and keep your good name intact. Never let the world give you a bad name or even call you a "git."