Apparently the show was initially designed to revolve around Sam! But then the whole idea changed because the writers realized that they it could be a whole lot more and it so became Bartlet centric than Sam Seaborn centric and there was also some disagreement with pay that led to his departure in season 4
My headcanon is that he eventually became president and she was his first lady. Mallory loved and understood Sam so well, but she was also so great at calling out his BS. Jed and Abbey 2.0.
That would be a good spin-off. Both are superb actors that entice the audience into their world. There was one thing Aaron Sorkin was well aware of, staring at them in the near future; burnout. TWW shooting schedule was intense and demanded long hours to keep up. That the backdrop required extensive setups pushed the film crews to the brink. It's one reason Sorkin left after season 4. Rob Lowe was willing to remain, but at a substantial increase in pay. TWW was one of the most expensive production series made by NBC. It could be done, but I doubt it would be profitable for a network or Netflix / Amazon in today's dollars.
I want to think that Sam how he became deputy Chief of Staff that he served most of Santos' first term in that role. But after about 3 years he leaves to make a run at being a Senator in California. Then he serves a few terms as a Senator before making a run at the presidency himself.
Someone call Lin Manuel We need a west wing musical Opening number would be called DONNA! Follow up would be called MARGRET NUMBER BEFORE INTERVAL MRS LANDINGHAM !
"I've got to get back in there - that's where it's happening." After this, it's completely implausible to think Sam would return to a miserable law firm and a job he hated - basically the job Josh rescued him from - when he lost the Cal. 47th election. I hate the post-Sorkin period.
Lemme tell you a story, The first day I became Mayor they sit me down at the desk. Big chair, dark wood, lots of beautiful things. I'm thinking, how much better can it get? There's a knock at the door in the corner of the room. And my Chief of Staff comes walking in carrying this, gorgeous sieve silver bowl, hand chased, it was as big as a birthday cake. "It's from the Union's," he says. So I think it's a present something to commemorate my first day as Mayor. He walks over, puts it on the desk, I look down at it. "It's disgusting," I say "what the hell is this?" He says "What the hell does it look like?" I said "It looks like shit. What do you want me to do with it?" He says, "Eat it." "...Eat it?!" He says, "Yea. You're the Mayor, you gotta eat it." So, ok. It was my first day, my Chief of Staff knows more than I do, so I go at it. And just when I finish, there's a knock at the door. In he walks carrying another silver bowl, and this one from the blinds. "This too!?" He nods. I start eating and when I'm finished there's another knock and another bowl. This one from the Polacks and then after that, one from the Ministers. And do you know what? That's what it is. You're sitting eating shit all day long. Day after day, year after year. When I realized that I decided, being a downtown lawyer and seeing my family every night, made for a fine life. Just a fine life.
As a plastic surgeon that attitude of ''I've got to get back in there, that's where it's happening.'' was what my father carried with him all his life. He lived to perform surgery. I suspect it is the same for jet pilots and astronauts.
He didnt hate his job, he hated that firm and what they stood for, which is why he felt guilty when the ship he begged them not to buy and commission spilled all the oil.
It's nice to hear somebody appreciate Josh for a change. After Sorkin left the writers somehow forgot that he was supposed to be a 'world-class political mind', or as Pr. Bartlet said: 'Leo, you have a deputy who's, frankly, a lot smarter than you are.' (S2E17 'The Stackhouse Filibuster')
One of my favorite season 5 scenes is where Abbey comes back and while she’s reconnecting with Jed says “Where’s Josh?” And Josh ends up saving the day
Rob Lowe should have been appreciated more by the makers of The West Wing and then maybe he would have stayed for the entire series. I am glad Rob came back for the end of the series.
All the talk about Sam's character and Rob Lowe being written out of the show... it seems like they were setting up a Sam and Mallory arc here and then totally abandoned it.
Way late to this comment party, but to @jimbopumbapigsticks I think it actually makes sense (in as much as it can make sense given that Sam's character was written out for external reasons) for Sam to say these things in this episode and then after the race for the 47th to have left the White House. I think understanding just how difficult it is to "get back in there" would have been disheartening, especially after losing that race. Also, think about the fact that if Sam did return post-race, he'd have gone from being the candidate (and kind of the boss) and aspiring to a position of some considerable authority to being the *deputy* communications director and having limited input on policy making and strategic decisions. That would've had to feel like a gigantic step backwards for him. I think it makes sense that maybe he wanted to figure it out somewhere that he could make his own way. He may not have been enamored with his job at Gage Whitney but he was making partner and doing very, very, very well. Ask anyone in law, to be a partner at a firm like that at Sam's age pre-series is a huge deal. I can see that while he does very much want to get back into the game, he also might want to take the time to build up his own resources and connections - independent of the White House. Plus, in the final season when he does come back, he tells Josh that he's gotten the firm to do a lot of good work. Which implies he's got a lot of power there. I can see Sam not wanting to go back to a more subordinate position, one he'd demonstrably grown out of - whatever his amazement at the chaotic beauty of high office.
I think that Leo and Bartlet discussed bringing bring Sam as a Senior Consultant with Will taking over as Deputy Communications Director. Basically bring him back in the role that Leo would get later on after he returned to work after his heart attack.
@@joemckim1183 I don't remember that bit, but I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm just saying it didn't stick in my mind. I can see the show slightly teasing Sam's return even if it would've been impossible given that Rob Lowe was gone, gone gone. (Well, until season 7).
"I had one good moment today and the rest was just keeping up." I'm the chief of staff of my organization. I can relate. On any given week, I might spent a couple hours on something I wanted to do in order to better the organization or just because it was something new. The rest of the time is spent on the things that occur as part of our regular schedule.
What do you mean? Didn't Sam leave because Rob Lowe decided to leave? Assuming you don't mean a soap opera style replacement of Lowe by someone else playing Sam, they needed to find some explanation for his departure, didn't they?
I'm going to be a girl for a minute and say that I've always wanted for Sam and Mallory end up together. Maybe not a slow-burn will-they-won't-they, but something please! Great opportunity missed.
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That is a stunning dress.
And what great chemistry.
I really missed Rob Lowe when he left after Season 4! Sam Seaborn was one of my favorite characters on the show!
And I miss Allison Smith. She likes hockey… players and she has a beautiful smile. Oh my goodness. Skillet
Apparently the show was initially designed to revolve around Sam! But then the whole idea changed because the writers realized that they it could be a whole lot more and it so became Bartlet centric than Sam Seaborn centric and there was also some disagreement with pay that led to his departure in season 4
Alison Smith is, in one word, MAGNIFICENT!!!
I would have loved to have her on the show more
Agreed. I really wanted her and Sam to end up together.
"For a zamboni battery?". Haha, I love Sam.
The joke is that the "good writers borrow great writers steal" line was actually said by Stravinsky. (Among others)
My headcanon is that he eventually became president and she was his first lady. Mallory loved and understood Sam so well, but she was also so great at calling out his BS. Jed and Abbey 2.0.
I've always thought Sorking should somehow revisit 'The West Wing' with Sam as POTUS.
Kiko Jones Sam would’ve been good with sterling k brown as his vp
That would be a good spin-off. Both are superb actors that entice the audience into their world.
There was one thing Aaron Sorkin was well aware of, staring at them in the near future; burnout. TWW shooting schedule was intense and demanded long hours to keep up. That the backdrop required extensive setups pushed the film crews to the brink. It's one reason Sorkin left after season 4. Rob Lowe was willing to remain, but at a substantial increase in pay.
TWW was one of the most expensive production series made by NBC. It could be done, but I doubt it would be profitable for a network or Netflix / Amazon in today's dollars.
I want to think that Sam how he became deputy Chief of Staff that he served most of Santos' first term in that role. But after about 3 years he leaves to make a run at being a Senator in California. Then he serves a few terms as a Senator before making a run at the presidency himself.
Except that she married and had a child which heard about in the last scenes of “ Tomorrow “.
"I gotta get back in there. That's where it's happening"
And 4 years later, Sam became Deputy Chief of Staff.
"When you steal from one person it's plagiarism. When you steal from three it's research."- Heinlein
That dress is magnificent, and Mallory (a/k/a Ms. Allison Smith) wore it so very well. She can take me home anytime.
I would have loved to see more than just banter with Sam and Mallory, a nice romance maybe
Sarah, apparently both Alison and Elizabeth Moss (Zoe) had hoped for their respective relationships with Sam and Charlie had gone further.
This writing… it’s so many things.. precious.. comes to mind.
"until you sit in the room all day"... "I gotta get back in there, that's where it's happening." So, Sam, you gotta be in the room where it happens?
Someone call Lin Manuel
We need a west wing musical
Opening number would be called DONNA!
Follow up would be called MARGRET
NUMBER BEFORE INTERVAL
MRS LANDINGHAM !
@@Ghost-ql3hl did you hear that LMM joined twitter specifically to cast a West Wing musical?
I feel these two would produce the most beautiful children to ever grace the face of the earth
"I've got to get back in there - that's where it's happening."
After this, it's completely implausible to think Sam would return to a miserable law firm and a job he hated - basically the job Josh rescued him from - when he lost the Cal. 47th election.
I hate the post-Sorkin period.
jimbopumbapigsticks Na that didn’t happen tho. Sam liked his job the second time around. Josh had to convince him to leave.
Lemme tell you a story,
The first day I became Mayor they sit me down at the desk. Big chair, dark wood, lots of beautiful things. I'm thinking, how much better can it get? There's a knock at the door in the corner of the room. And my Chief of Staff comes walking in carrying this, gorgeous sieve silver bowl, hand chased, it was as big as a birthday cake. "It's from the Union's," he says. So I think it's a present something to commemorate my first day as Mayor. He walks over, puts it on the desk, I look down at it. "It's disgusting," I say "what the hell is this?" He says "What the hell does it look like?" I said "It looks like shit. What do you want me to do with it?" He says, "Eat it." "...Eat it?!" He says, "Yea. You're the Mayor, you gotta eat it." So, ok. It was my first day, my Chief of Staff knows more than I do, so I go at it. And just when I finish, there's a knock at the door. In he walks carrying another silver bowl, and this one from the blinds. "This too!?" He nods. I start eating and when I'm finished there's another knock and another bowl. This one from the Polacks and then after that, one from the Ministers. And do you know what? That's what it is. You're sitting eating shit all day long. Day after day, year after year.
When I realized that I decided, being a downtown lawyer and seeing my family every night, made for a fine life. Just a fine life.
As a plastic surgeon that attitude of ''I've got to get back in there, that's where it's happening.'' was what my father carried with him all his life. He lived to perform surgery. I suspect it is the same for jet pilots and astronauts.
@@mishka300 excellent quote from old Tony to new tony
He didnt hate his job, he hated that firm and what they stood for, which is why he felt guilty when the ship he begged them not to buy and commission spilled all the oil.
I love this show , it was hitting on all the spots.
It's nice to hear somebody appreciate Josh for a change. After Sorkin left the writers somehow forgot that he was supposed to be a 'world-class political mind', or as Pr. Bartlet said: 'Leo, you have a deputy who's, frankly, a lot smarter than you are.' (S2E17 'The Stackhouse Filibuster')
Very true.
One of my favorite season 5 scenes is where Abbey comes back and while she’s reconnecting with Jed says “Where’s Josh?” And Josh ends up saving the day
Josh was a Rhodes Scholar
Yeah! They sure come across more family-like than co-workers...
And you're right! The nickname does fit him perfectly!
We see Sam untying his Black Tie. Can we have a vision of him tying it! Tying a bow tie is an art!
Imagine what the 45 version of this would be like. Swamp meets treatment pond.
It turns out that Sam does get to get back in there in 4 years!
Allison Smith who plays mallory is FINE!
He does get back in there in the final episode.
She is so hot. She knows it so don't complain. She was a great actor in her role.
Rob Lowe should have been appreciated more by the makers of The West Wing and then maybe he would have stayed for the entire series. I am glad Rob came back for the end of the series.
Let's get you home..... because he is tired.... Sure that's her plan ;-)
Possibly the most beautiful actress to appear in The West Wing. 1:10
All the talk about Sam's character and Rob Lowe being written out of the show... it seems like they were setting up a Sam and Mallory arc here and then totally abandoned it.
LOL that last line is tooooo good.
It always should have been Malory and Sam !!!
Way late to this comment party, but to @jimbopumbapigsticks I think it actually makes sense (in as much as it can make sense given that Sam's character was written out for external reasons) for Sam to say these things in this episode and then after the race for the 47th to have left the White House. I think understanding just how difficult it is to "get back in there" would have been disheartening, especially after losing that race. Also, think about the fact that if Sam did return post-race, he'd have gone from being the candidate (and kind of the boss) and aspiring to a position of some considerable authority to being the *deputy* communications director and having limited input on policy making and strategic decisions. That would've had to feel like a gigantic step backwards for him. I think it makes sense that maybe he wanted to figure it out somewhere that he could make his own way. He may not have been enamored with his job at Gage Whitney but he was making partner and doing very, very, very well. Ask anyone in law, to be a partner at a firm like that at Sam's age pre-series is a huge deal. I can see that while he does very much want to get back into the game, he also might want to take the time to build up his own resources and connections - independent of the White House. Plus, in the final season when he does come back, he tells Josh that he's gotten the firm to do a lot of good work. Which implies he's got a lot of power there. I can see Sam not wanting to go back to a more subordinate position, one he'd demonstrably grown out of - whatever his amazement at the chaotic beauty of high office.
I think that Leo and Bartlet discussed bringing bring Sam as a Senior Consultant with Will taking over as Deputy Communications Director. Basically bring him back in the role that Leo would get later on after he returned to work after his heart attack.
@@joemckim1183 I don't remember that bit, but I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm just saying it didn't stick in my mind. I can see the show slightly teasing Sam's return even if it would've been impossible given that Rob Lowe was gone, gone gone. (Well, until season 7).
she and Sam should have ended up together :(
They totally hooked up that night, didn’t they?
"I had one good moment today and the rest was just keeping up."
I'm the chief of staff of my organization. I can relate. On any given week, I might spent a couple hours on something I wanted to do in order to better the organization or just because it was something new. The rest of the time is spent on the things that occur as part of our regular schedule.
These two should have shipped!
What do you mean? Didn't Sam leave because Rob Lowe decided to leave? Assuming you don't mean a soap opera style replacement of Lowe by someone else playing Sam, they needed to find some explanation for his departure, didn't they?
He left because they couldn’t resolve the dispute. He was worth keeping.
Bet you Lin Manuel is a WW fan, and "The Room Where It Happens" is no accident : )
He is and has stated that he is referencing this . He also wroteva west wing rap song for the west wing weekly.
He is. He also got "I'm looking for a mind at work" from one of Sam's lines in TWW.
Great writers steal outright, I'm told.
Like her mother, she has a beautiful neck.
Would Sam/Rob Lowe have stayed if these two had hooked up?
I'm going to be a girl for a minute and say that I've always wanted for Sam and Mallory end up together. Maybe not a slow-burn will-they-won't-they, but something please! Great opportunity missed.
@bestirishfirefighter that's damn right
which episode it this? nice dialogue :)
Which season and episode?
@bestirishfirefighter oh hell yeah! you think she still looks this good at 41?
No, I think she looks better.
@miahk2 I'm wondering why he didn't say it......sigh....
When did you write the last part?
In car
“Freak”
my favorite one word line
So what are "Schmutsy Pants" ??
They are pants with schmutz on them... I thought everyone knew that!
@@lancer525 not me and I still do not know what “schmutz” is either. Cheers.
Which episode was this?
I believe this is the 20 Hours in America part 2. (S04E02).
The speech she is referring to: ruclips.net/video/hqVWqTFU5Nk/видео.html
@@gergelycsontos1435 yes, this is why Josh needed him to do it.
The writers of this show were way too hooked on "cute."
Or just crappy, inconsistent writing.
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