Humanity Is Using The Stupidest Weapon I've Ever Seen | A Short Sci-Fi Story | HFY Stories
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This is a terribly gullible view of alien thoughts on defense and offense.
Was this written by some hippie that never left safety?
So you believe that on many planets many species would evolve but defense from predators is some novel complex? You suck at this.
This is the dumbest alien I’ve ever heard.
@@sketchtherapy1218 I mean, maybe. But it also seems to be written from the point of view of a somewhat ignorant alien, so it makes sense either way.
"What do you use as weapons?"
"Well, we throw rocks. But like, _really fast."_
"That's stupid, that can't be effective."
"... ... Like, _really really fast."_
Well humans started out throwing rocks and are still throwing stuff just something bigger.
That's the equivalent of the _"alright, just hear me out"_ guy.
Like _"really really fast"_
@@linkbond08When you throw rock at a percentage of C, it doesn't matter its just a rock.
Anything is a weapon with enough velocity!
That's really been our strategy from the getgo. Humans be good at throwing stuff... Like really really good.
Ozis: "What do we do if they reach this room?"
Human: "You're gonna get to see what that Abrahms can do."
I’m a fan of sci-fi and fantasy, so I’m used to setting aside reality for the sake of the story…but my brain is breaking from the idea that a space faring alien species could be incapable of even imagining that bullets can travel at supersonic speeds. 🤯
Maybe bullets are their greek fire, something they stopped using so far in the past that no one remembers how it works
@@seivernoname-tz9uh : We may not know exactly what the recipe for Greek fire was, but I have one word for you: napalm. Conceptually we don’t have a problem understanding things from the past. It’s just that the specifics of how they were accomplished are sometimes lost to us. In order for this analogy to be apt, it would be as though we couldn’t grasp the concept that a burning liquid could be shot out of a hose a hundred feet. That would be just as silly as not understanding that bullets can fly fast.
Yeah, simple concept really: move something fast enough to have sufficient kinetic energy to pierce the intended target. There is zero reason an intelligent species capable of FTL (haha) would fail to understand this simple concept. There is zero reason an intelligent species would doubt that an object could be propelled to such high speeds; they have FTL travel after all, right? I strongly doubt any space-faring species would have skipped the developmental step of moving vehicles through space at high speed to escape gravity wells. Orbital velocity for the earth is far, FAR in excess of the speed of a bullet fired from a handgun. The speed of Earth in its orbit about the sun is even greater still. Propelling a tiny object to speeds in excess that of sound through earth's atmosphere is trivial.
Speaking of the speed of sound: this speed varies depending on the medium through which the pressure waves travel. The author of this story didn't take this into consideration.
Speaking of weaponry on spacecraft: if your massive craft is oriented such that your primary armament can't be brought to bear against an attacker, just send out a few puffs from your main thruster; the output of an interstellar ship's main drive will DWARF anything a stupid rifle or Phalanx-style point defense weapon might emit. Also note that, in the absence of atmosphere, projectile-based kinematic "point defense" systems would have INCREDIBLE range. Evasion at very long distance would be easy; close in, however... well... in space, there's no medium through which a craft can easily redirect momentum, which means maneuverability is likely to be very limited, so that hail storm of DU is going to riddle a landing craft like a tin can in rather quick order.
SMH.
@@warpedweirdo Agree, the concepts here are as if FTL was discovered tomorrow and the aliens never had solid rocket boosters in their pre-FTL days (People, If I have to explain that relationship of SRB to Projectile Guns you wont get it anyway I am sure the person I am responding to GETS IT COMPLETELY)
I have found the Sci-fi stories that have human's using "projectile weapons" for niche things (like grapeshot to penetrate shields due to the lower velocity) and then follow up with futuristic weapons much easier to keep the "reality of the moment" set aside
Think of halo. The aliens were given plasma weapons before they stopped using swords and bows. So naturally they would only have bows to compare kinetic weapons to.
"If it looks stupid but it works, it ain't stupid"
Maxim 42: "They'll never expect this" means "I want to try something stupid"
Maxim 43: If its stupid but it works, its still stupid and you are lucky.
"What works isn't stupid, at worst it's inefficient."
Cum
For those that are curious: The USS Indianapolis was a WWII battleship that was given the secret mission of delivering some uranium-235 for the atomic bombs. She was ambushed and destroyed by a Japanese submarine that just happened to find them.
Luckily for them this was after they had delivered the payload, but because they werent supposed to be out there in the first place no one in the fleet knee where they were. It was a miracle that a US fighter pilot spotted the survivors. Only about 100 of the crew survived the 2-day wait.
The Indianapolis was a Heavy Cruiser, crew of about 1200 if I recall. Torpedoed by the sub, she sank with minimal loss of life. Then the sharks came.
A WWII battleship will be named after a state.
"because they werent supposed to be out there in the first place no one in the fleet knee where they were"
Nope. The ship's exact position was not known and she was not known to be missing until she was overdue. The ship was maintaining radio silence due to the secrecy of the mission. Most of the sailors were lost due to exposure (hypothermia) and dehydration.
Ever looked into a sharks eyes?
"Luckily for them this was after they had delivered the payload"
It really was. Because of Little Boy's design, if it had been flooded with seawater, it could have acted as a moderator causing a criticality event. It wouldn't have been a nuclear detonation, more like the incidents with the so called "Demon Core", but with no way to stop it.
The only problem with this story is the idea that a species that could figure out how to launch ships from planetside and accelerate them efficiently enough and at the speeds required to even reach another star system, even from a planet with half of earth's gravity, couldn't figure out how to make kinetic projectiles that move faster than the speed of sound. That one detail just doesn't make sense. I can understand the idea of kinetic weapons having long since become obsolete for them, but never having figured them out doesn't seem right to me. Like, just to get to space in the first place they'd have to have an understanding of the physics behind ballistic weaponry.
What if....
Their attempts at kinetic weapons used plastics or ceramics because metal was rare on their planet, forcing the use of polymers? This would have limited how much of an explosion could be used so their projectiles never reached enough velocity to be lethal.
And instead of thrust, engines were designed for gravity manipulation or spatial displacement?
If battery technology was developed heavily first, the species may not have ever invented the internal combustion engine. It's an amazingly complex piece of engineering in its own right that can be made 100% mechanically that runs on what was once considered a waste product.
IF using our industrial revolution as an example I agree there are gaps but our path via the industrial revolution thru to vehicles, weaponry all the way to space travel is very specific to raw materials available on earth, scientific discovery and other impacts like our gravity that shape our choices etc.
Other species may be older, have less or more raw materials, have a different evolutionary path, gravity considerations. Exciting to think of the possibilities that are only limited by our ability to imagine.
It's definitely contrived for the HFY element, but there's a lot of reasons you could think up for a species to completely avoid certain technological paths we followed or figure out how to advance paths we reached a dead end in. Earth is quite unique in having both fossil fuels and an atmosphere that supports the steady chemical reaction of fire. A civilization working without those will be biased against advancing in the direction of derivative technologies like controlled combustion and metal smelting.
In the opposite direction, it's hard to imagine technologies we might be skipping over because we have no real world references for completely alternate tech trees, but if you assume the more fanciful tech used in the story (FTL travel, gravity manipulation, etc.) is actually possible and something we could achieve in the next couple centuries, a species bypassing chemical propulsion entirely becomes more believable. The story hints at this by mentioning that ships having a front end (and thus an exhaust end) is strange, and that planets with 1G are on the extreme end for space-faring species, so less violent technologies for ascending out of gravity wells would be more viable.
It's easy to think our solutions to weapons design are obvious, but that's not the case at all. Gunpowder existed for hundreds of years, used in fireworks and rockets, before someone had the idea of packing into a barrel and using it to propel a projectile out of said barrel rather than use the gunpowder as fuel in a rocket. I'm sure the first time someone tried to sell a cannon that there were a lot of people who said it could never work. Obviously the only way to use gunpowder is in a rocket. Blowing it up behind the rocket was clearly a waste and would achieve nothing. The fact we have literally millenia of hindsight makes certain things seem obvious to us, but its just not the case. Every time a new simple invention or product comes along, like a pet rock or a Ring doorbell, someone will always say "That was so easy I could have done that!" But heres the catch- you didn't. It seems obvious in hindsight because it's simple and someone else already did it. Its easy to look at a finished puzzle and see the big picture when you aren't the one that had to put it together.
"only" lol, lmao even
Indianapolis a rather tragic name for a ship if you know what happened in WW2. A nice story.
The Navy will periodically reassign names, that said I would MUCH rather meet the US military aboard a ship named USS Indianapolis, rather than aboard one named USS Wisconsin.
Or USS New Jersey, Missouri, Texas, any of the old battlewagons. I damn well would not want to meet one on the IJN Yamato, IJN Musashi, KMS Bismarck, KMS Tirpitz. If I did and knew something of their history, I would run.
uss liberty would have been more accurate.
@@FirstIsathe uss Wisconsin is a Iowa class battle ship and it has harder hitting cannons than the Yamato
@@karal_the_crazy thank you but I'm well aware of what Big Whiskey was/is.
And here I thought Shad was talking about Nunchucks again.
You see Oz, we started dominating the planet by throwing spears, and now we throw thousands of smaller spears hundreds of times a minute. It really does solve every problem. Every. Single. Problem.
The spacefaring alien species that doesn't understand physics
Alien: "Our lazers burn through metal!"
Human: "yes but i have yet found a creature unable to beat gun."
If you have lasers, and space travel, supersonic bullets should be a trivial technology. A species capable of using plasma technology and faster than light should have no trouble at all understanding projectiles and supersonic projectiles.
Aside from these details, a good story.
Exactly.
The path not taken.
Necessity is the mother of invention. No necessity, no invention.
You assume too much. What if humans had never needed to build fires? Do you really think they would have ever invented projectile weapons? Different planet, different evolutionary path.
I guarantee that Aliens will not be using Feet as a measurement, they are all metric.
What if the average alien foot is 12 inches?
@@PavewayJDAM they still won't be using inches as a measurement.
12:44 "How obsessed is this species with physical projectile ammunition?"
i chuckled
"If it's stupid, but works, it's not stupid."
a gun behind every atom of a human
Correction: The bullet is what is propelled towards the target. The cartridge is what holds the primer, so the hammer strikes the primer, which is embedded in the back of the cartridge. The distinction is important. Nobody who is a weapons specialist would make that mistake. Cartridges for snipers in the US military are loaded by the military to their standards. To confuse a cartridge for a bullet would be considered a newbie mistake.
It's there somewhere I can just read this story instead of listening to robovoice mess up every vocal emote?
The AI images are pretty much ridiculous..17:35 took the cake! 😆😆😆
Modern human firearms do /not/ use gunpowder. We haven't used that, other than for hobbyist firearms, in well over a hundred years. We transitioned from Gunpowder to Cordite back in the late 19th century, and then to Nitrocellulose in the Early 20th century; much more power, smoother burn rate, way less smoke, and less barrel fouling. A firearm aficionado could explain in greater detail, but I think I have the basics correct.
Smokeless powder is still called gunpowder by anyone who actually buys it and reloads ammo, such as myself. Stop with the semantics. Powder makes guns go boom. Hence gunpowder.
Copper should be universally identifiable by sentients.
Read the story yourself. Stop with the AI reading.
Is it text to speech? Thought I heard a "stumble" in the read back, so there might be an actual reader there. I'd like to know for sure since I too don't want to support bot channels.
Sounds pretty good to me! But now you have me listening for errors. LOL!
@@Logajam.- There have been amazing advances in text to speech engines. You have to listen carefully for words like lives pronounced Liv’s. 😊
Edit: The AI pronounced VIP as vip not V.I.P. An an unship instead of U.N. Ship. 🤓
Yeah I'm tired of the AI. I would love for more channels to cover this but I won't support AI channels unless they are reading their own original content. For now I'm sticking with Net Narrator and Agro.
@@Erin-Thor It was probably spelled vip or VIP and not V.I.P.
2:08 are they holding swords?
Gunpowder does not explode. It burns at a fast rate. Again, the distinction is important as there are difference burn rates for different powders. Each has its purpose. For example, slower burning powders are used in rifle cartridges, while handgun cartridges are loaded with quicker burning powder to ensure a full burn in a shorter barrel.
Any/every explosion is just burning at high speed. ->So in that regard it does explode.
This was an excellent story, interesting and well told. But it was very disappoint that the story ended right as the action began, and there is no indication of a part two. Unfinished stories are very frustrating and I wish sites would either stop posting them, or list them as "unfinished".
ruclips.net/video/QHPr-KhtTSU/видео.htmlsi=MVYXPacNAmRPBpC1
there is a play list with the rest of the story
Many are talking here about kinetic vs energy weapons, and nobody remembers that this alien has like 3 pairs of manipulators. 2 limbs for heavy lifting and 4 limbs for coordinated accuracy. Also, it seems that the "heavy hands" are unable to throw things with accuracy or speed and the smaller arms just aren't strong enough. So, kinetic ranged weapons were never "the thing" for them after catapult went obsolete and I am curious how Ozis would react just to simple arrow and bow.
I legitimately want to hear a part 2 of this one.
You called it the UN like in Idiocracy. Lol.
The benifits of lasers is if you can collect the energy. You can charge your laser weapon pretty much anywhere, power is generated and collected, but its going to take a ton of it to get any form of penetration.
Plasma would be similar a lot similar to that, but the extra mass would make it more efficient then a laser.
But kinetics while adding a whole another set of logistics to the equation would always be a lot more efficient when it comes to destructive potential.
This is why I can see a space faring civilization switching to plasma, but this also why I see whole idea of alien invasion to be stupid, and why the dark forest theory written by that Chinese author would make more sense even if the book itself was more science fantasy then science fiction. It would litterally be activity only ever done by a civilization looking to assimilate other species into their belief system or something done out of hedonistic purposes. Something that a civilization that has access to the infinite resources of space would have a hard time convincing itself to do. So destruction in the interest of security would be the only real logical outcome.
Look at how quick our leaders are to try warp the public into thinking putting suicide drones in the hands of cops is a good idea.
Stargate SG-1 series. Highly advance race decides to use human logic to help them defeat an equally advance type of Machine that only consumes to make more of its kind to replicate and consume.
I wonder who wrote this that people in the military are portrayed as using non-SI? Especially in the space future.
"Kinetics were obsolete hundreds of years before my species became space-faring"
So, your species spent more time developing weapons than FTL? Interesting..
I enjoyed this series. There's like 10+ chapters. Agro or NetNarrator reads it.
Operation Snow Eagle is also really good, imo
I like that the AI generated image for "Explosion" is one dude pulling another dude's finger.
Evidently the writer(s) never read the scif i storys of Robert Heinlein, Zelazney, Sir Isaac Asimov or their like. These writers gave excellent furturistic views fo Interstellar space voyages, and outser space views of future life. It all made sense. This story line is soo archaic it is beyond belief! If we have intestellar spsce drive then we would also have photonic space laser guns. Showing a tank is backwards engineering we would have progressed into the more secretive military ideals that have not yet been shown. This discourse gets a C- from an avid sci fi reader from the 50s.
Amen to that
welp warhammer 40k tends to disagree
Maybe, maybe not. Look at what Sci Fi writers in the 30s and 40s were absolutely sure would be commonplace today. Pretty much none of it is. But a lot of other stuff they never even considered, is.
All that to say that what we have seen with weapons technology that has actually been deployed is that it is kinetic and very deadly. Sure, you can say, "but in the future when we have plasma this and photon that", but we have no idea if or when that might be, if ever. Kinetics have served man well for thousands of years. I would imagine we would likely stick with variants of that up until the point where we get our asses handed to us by someone or thing using non kinetic weapons. We'd assess, regroup, research and implement our own versions of that into our arsenal.
It is the way humans have aways done it, and we are creatures of habit. For better or worse.
Our fire arms have fewer circuts and dont need batteries. Military weapons are about simplicity and reliability. We need to advance further in battery and capaciter tech to have laser rifles than we do to build a ship with a ftl drive train. Not only will we need super conductors but super insulators so the weapons dont shock the end user.
Also, bullets are simply highly refined rocks. Humans started ranged combat by throwing rocks. We are just keeping the tradition going.
Who said those writers have all the knowledge on combat and Warfare
21:00 It is a VERY precise laser.
Handgun slides are generally driven by inertia, rather than gas expansion. Unless the future military is packing blow-back .32s
This just reminds me of the Rods from God concept and the whole Shadowrun "Squirtgun Wars" stories and I'm all for that.
Is this a story, book or even a series? Coz i could listen to this all day.
Not all the time, but i kinda like the occasional human power fantasy and being the odd ones instead the other way around. I want to be the species keeping alien generals up all night.
I feel that this should have a part 2
I like this story were it's told from the point of view of an E.T.
The imagery only loosely follows the dialogue.
For example, th image of the alien does have any of the features of the description. In fact, it has the features of the description of humans.
Another example is that when discussing rifles, a handgun was displayed.
Love letter to kinetic energy weapons .
I think I've heard this one before, but it was call weapons inspector I think?
At 17:45 looks like picture is of two guys passing a gun to the other but shooting him thinking, "Well he did say, Let me have it!"
Oh, low-G creature, lower density of muscles. It makes sense. "Natural" armor is likely a bone-like thing. they simply couldn't come up with good kinetic design fast enough. Recoil is @#%^
No improvements in small arms in several centuries? Not even caseless ammo?
The voice synth has a few quirks but is generally reasonable. Pretty good but some distance from perfect. 🙂 👍 🇦🇺
I like the shorter stories, twenty, thirty minutes
Gun powder doesn't explode - it burns up - and the expanding gasses are what force the bullet down the barrel.
explosion definition:
A release of mechanical, chemical, or nuclear energy in a sudden and often violent manner with the generation of high temperature and usually with the release of gases.
Gunpowder explodes.
Which is called an explosion.
Brother...
Okay, other then the 150mm Main Turret on that MBT the rest of the armaments sound standard, which probably means that the Rifle he was previously talking about used 5.56mm rounds . . . . so how the HELL does that thing have a 45 round clip!!?!!? I can may go with a drum, but a CLIP????
Banana mags aren't that uncommon.
@@zacheryeckard3051 Fine. SO how long would that single 45 round banana clip be then?
@@chadrowin2956 About 50% longer than a traditional double stack magazine, assuming otherwise traditional manufacture. There's also casket-type magazines which are thicker below, which wouldn't necessarily be any longer at all.
The most blaring mistake the AI reader made was pronouncing "millimeter" "M" "M"
AI is quickly becoming hated for the laziness it allows humans to have
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And I hated this once I figured out that's what it was.
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Yeahhh. But no, no one on Earth will let visit a military spaceship unless you're a long time ally, and even though, you will not visit things where you need to put your eyes as a pass code... some time those stories are just out of reality
06:40: I don't know what kind of weapon the AI generated here, but I need it. Now.
@17:22 I laffed
One of the best parts of this video are the truly awful AI images. Especially the one at 17:30 with the one guy shooting the other in the chest.
Its like that one episode from stargate.
Wait.. Are they about to discover FTL as stated, or have they already discovered FTL, since they "built military ships so soon after."?
Lost me there, bud.
Part 2 when?
Description of how firearms work is incorrect. The trigger pull releases the hammer which contacts the firing pin, and the firing pin, not the hammer, strikes the primer.
Actually the first rifles and revolvers had the firing pin as an
integral part of the hammer. Learn the facts before you criticize someone. Little person.
@@diaperjoeisaped1723
Not describing the first though
LoL there is always a fool claiming to know things they dont have a clue about. The first rifles were muzzle loaders that didnt even use cartridges, much less firing pins. Metal casing cartridges were not invented until long after the first rifles were made. I'd love to school you up down and sideways but you can save me some time by going to Wikipedia.
Nice story. Work on the pictures is needed though.
Come on guys, even short stories have decent endings! That ending was just cruel.🤨☹️
If you go to the link in the description you can read the later parts of the story. Apparently it was written 4 years ago and there are multiple parts.
I do adore HFY stories for... not researching a single damn thing before writing.
train the AI to read the text better. but great story
Okay, one big problem - where is part 2?!
Wow that was awesome. Please continue
7:25 Actually, and this is all dependent on the calibers involved, but the bullets themselves aren't usually that much smaller with a pistol. What is usually smaller is the case itself, so there is less powder behind the bullet. An AR-15 for example fires a .223 caliber bullet. A glock 17/19 fires a .355 caliber. An AR-10 or m14 or m1 garand a .380 and a 1911 pistol a .45 caliber. But if you put them next to each other with the case the rifle rounds will be much bigger because you are firing that mass much faster than in a pistol. The nature of a pistol makes it so you tend to want to fire a larger projectile slower rather than tryung to fire a smaller one faster. And f=ma.
The formula you needed is E = 0.5mv^2 An increase in velocity has a greater effect than an increase in mass.
ORDNANCE
Interesting idea for a story. I like it.
Now, where is the rest of the story?
Text to speech or not, I want to know how it ends!!!
weak application of ai. Did you do any work at all despite a 10min effort to put a few words and throw shome money at it?
is this a Gary Gygax voice? nice.
Bravo,,,well done and well said,,,what fun,,,😮😊❤
Why "American" and not "Earth" or "Terran?"
I mean, we're meeting with Aliens. There would be a coalition. NATO at the very least.
AI art is… disappointing… the AI voice is describing a tank, but they show a plane 😂… is this person just lazy?
Not nearly as funny or as poignant as "They're Made out of Meat" by Terry Bison. Check it out, it's good.
Very nice story of military cultrure contract, very nice to hear
That was weird af
I enjoyed this...wish there was a part 2
AWESOME!!!
Part 2 please!
Oh this terribad. AI generated images have made just more terrible things possible. The images don't even match the story. Boo.
Interesting story but the pictures don't fit the story.
When the author knows nothing about weapons......
As if you know the difference between a 1911 and a 410. Go back to playing with your nerf gun
Yes because aliens will have DNA just like us
I like the story. AI narration is okay but lacks some flexibility. Thanks.
That voice too me has slight accent that does not work in Sci-if. It was too me more apparent with just the alien. But on another note Thomas the train great great great grandson Thomas the tank .😃
Agrosquirrel does a much better job teading this.
*almost die of toxic fume inhalation*
"I loved it"
Freak.
He ain't wrong. Lead is toxic.
Nice story 😊
dude needs an editor or something
filthy Xenos acting like they were made in Gods image. They were not.
who ever wrote this story knows so little about firearms it is not funny.
First a 9mm is not a small pistol. It is a rather larger one. 9mm in calibers is 35.4 cal. Btw a cal is 100th of an inch so a 99mm is a 35.4 diameter or 0.354 inches.
Now as to the US army's rifles. Ever since the M16 the infantryman's main weapon has had such a little kick to it that u can put them on full auto place the but on ur balls and fire. It will feel mike a very fast gentle tapping. No pain.
Now pistols still kick b/c u cant get the dampening into them. They are too small.
So kid learn before u write on a subject.
great another lazy A.I. narration. F that
Mmkay. Narrator doesn't sound like synthetic, and needs to pronounce U.N. instead of "un", and mm as millimeter, and so on...
A.I. generated nonsense
bad AI voice and no link to the story ?
Down with ai reading
The ai reading SUCKS , you just lost a sub