The Other Humans | Frank Herbert's Hellstrom's Hive
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- Опубликовано: 26 апр 2023
- Hellstrom's Hive is a 1973 novel by Dune author, Frank Herbert. What does Frank Herbert have to say in this speculative work of science fiction about who wins the soul of humanity?
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Herbert’s book was inspired by a 1971 mock-documentary, “The Hellstrom Chronicles”, which highlighted the ruthless efficiency of hive insects in pursuing survival. It was narrated by a fictional Dr. Nils Hellstrom, who. Became a character in Herbert’s novel. I remember seeing the film back in 1971. The actor who portrayed Hellstrom gave him a very unsettling quality, as if he was secretly smirking at you, because he knew something vital that you did not.
If I remember there’s a scene in the book where Herbert may be nodding to that.
There’s a scene where one of the agency characters notices a group of filmmakers recording a hive and was unsettled by the utter stillness of the scene, knowing the people should’ve been moving about for such a thing, all the while Helstrom is touring the guy around.
@@brokeneyes6615 I believe you’re right! And in the book, I also recall Hellstrom at one point thinking about the film documentaries that are the Hive’s main interaction with the world of baseline humans.
That's amazing
He's smirking because he knows capitalism wants us to be hive workers without individual lives.
We need to become socialist to achieve our full creative potential.
Yeah, I saw that film when I was younger - I actually thought it was real. Same for Orson Welles hosted doc about Nostradamus.
I've never understood why this masterwork isn't much more well known. The most honestly frightening horror novel I've ever read.
This review doesn't strike me as a review for a scary horror novel, without giving away spoilers, can you provide a glimpse into what you found frightening?
@@theterminaldave it has spooky font
My take is that I just never heard of it until watching this video. It must not have had that critical mass needed to become as well known as other books like Dune and Ender's Game.
Too near their real plan ?
DUNE overshadows all of Frank Herbert's work, just as LORD OF THE FLIES overshadows Golding's other novels
I was fresh out of the service when this book came out so I could relate to the hive. The ;first time I read it, I was left cold and shaking. The next time I saw this book in a library( I had forgotten all about it) I saw things I had missed or did not remember the same. I think this book was one of the best warnings against utopia.
I totally aree,terrance. This book is chilling.
I always thought this book was so criminally underrated. The first three Dunes are untouchable but Herbert did solid work outside of that, particularly this novel and The Godmakers.
Not a fan of God Emperor?
@@AnimineStudios outside was the keyword here
@@AnimineStudios Nah, I couldn't get into it.
@@AnimineStudios 40k Emperor yes
@@sirc1446 you seem like someone who definitely gets satire
There's also The Green Brain, I think was the title of it. I loved that book. If you guys liked Hellstrom's Hive, you should read it too. Oh, right, and The Godmakers. Also, having read a lot of his work that wasn't part of the Dune universe, I can basically recommend almost all of them. The Dosadi Experiment, The Heaven Makers, The Santaroga Barrier, and of course all of the Destination Void books. Seriously, his work outside of Dune was really good too and I've never understood why people didn't like those as much or more than Dune. Don't get me wrong, I understand why Dune has become so iconic with the depth and breadth of the material. Still, his other work is just as good, if in a different way than Dune.
The Green Brain is a great book. Recommended reading.
The White Plague (82) is frightening.
@@jamezkpal2361the white plague gave me nightmares. I still think about that book sometimes. And it still gives me the shakes.
dont forget The Jesus Incident either
@@colinscutt5104 Excellent book. The Green Brain and The Jesus incident were maybe a little bit ahead of their time, the former about ecological disaster and the latter about a rogue AI. These are themes we take for granted now.
Yesssssss I need a new book! At this point you're just doing the work of seeking new scifi literature for me lmao. I have a weird relationship with your channel where I'll see a new video, watch the first minute or two, then acquire the book and read it, and finally come back to your video about it.
I am delighted to learn that this book exists! Thanks, Quinn!
Hellstrom's Hive by Frank Herbert?
@@pluto9000 Yes. I hadn't heard of it until now.
You will LOVE it!
I've read a lot of non-Dune Herbert, and this one has escaped me till now.
Ive managed to collect afaik all of his non dune novels not one is terrible , you can almost feel him trying out ideas that later got into dune
Coalescent by Stephen Baxter is another great book that explores the concept of the human hive. Though the start is a bit slow. Highly recommend it, Quinn!
Yep- read it and thought "hmm...seems damn familiar".
Baxter is a damn wizard, great writer
This is why I love sci-fi. By exploring all possible extremes, we can better visualize what we do and don't want for the future of life. The answer is often that we don't want either extreme, but a synthesis of the two. In this case, we probably don't want either hyper-individualism nor a hive-mind, but a synthesis that balances individual liberties with the greater good of society. IMO we can fully actualize by carefully walking that line.
Well put. It's a damn fine line, but we definitely must try to walk it!
After reading the Dune series, I went on to find as many Herbert novels as I could. I particularly like the Destination Void series and would love to see it become a series. I was also keen on the Whipping Star series which was whole another universe built by Herbert.
Great stuff insn`t it? The man was a genius.
Don't let Disney get their woke hands on it.
@@Mangsaab1954don’t even breathe words like that aloud !!! Scared the shit out of me , that will give me nightmares to night guaranteed!!!
As a massive insect nerd (and with the Bene Tleilax being my favorite faction in the DUNiverse) I really enjoyed Hellstrom's Hive...
Thank you for covering the story!
After Dune and Destination: Void, my favorite novel from Frank Herbert was "The Santaroga Barrier". It plays with the same concepts than "Hellstrom's Hive", you should read it if you haven't already.
I found a copy at an estate sale and grabbed it because it said frank herbert. Its been on the pile since then so its nice to get some more info on it! thanks quinn
The Hive was a freakishly scary concept because it wanted to rob us of our individuality and replace us as you said and the way they used humans, as the women were used by the Bene Tleilax, was horrifying. It was the Eugenics dream basically. I am glad you touched on this novel. Frank Herbert wrote a lot MANY more stuff beyond Dune that needs to be further explored and discovered by sci-fi readers. Hellstrom's Hive is one of my favorite sci-fi books. It's not one I consider a jewel like the Dune saga but it is a good one to pick from in the genre. The Dosadi Experiment is another good one from Herbert.
Yeah, it's not just putting society before yourself but the entire abandonment of the self and becoming a smaller part, almost an organ or a single cell, within a much larger organism. It's a pretty disturbing and horrific idea if you value your autonomy and sense of self. Disturbing and horrific, but definitely interesting.
@@The13thGhostBunny exactly. Forget about your feelings or attachments to your family. They are just part of a bigger unit.
This would make a good adaptation in anime format
If you presented our modern society to the ancient peoples, they may very well describe us as more like an ant hive than a human tribe. Industrial societies at the macro scale of governments and corporations are astonishingly unlike our simian relatives and uncannily similar, instead, to the complex logistical networks of ant hives or bees, although at the micro scale we still do form simian-like tribes.
I occasionally wonder if we may see emergent intelligence in human society, distinct from the individual intelligences of individual people. Then the pheromones kick back in and I go back to working like a good little drone.
Great choice.
Great story.
The
Whipping Star & The Dosadi Experiment
by Herbert are also very cool.
Read this book years ago, barely heard anyone ever talk about it and now you e done a whole video! This is a good day.
This reminds me a lot of the Kimera Ants of Hunter x Hunter, and the way Togashi explored the implication of an ant-like humanity and how they would interact with normal humans.
Especially the part where they need the genetic diversity of the human population, that Togashi turned into the ability of the queen of the Kimera Ants to retain the traits of the individuals she ate and transfer it into the workers and soldiers of the hive.
Maybe Togashi was inspired by this book.
Totally thought of the Chimera ants. There's a lot of similarities
I almost posted this exact thing but came to find the comments instead
The chimera ants are definitely the most creative and horrifying (and kinda sad) fantasy race I've come across in fiction.
There are a lot of Sci Fi references in Anime, that was partly why the Sy fy channel started showing it in the 90s. There was a lensman anime, based on the books, and i believe macross is also based off of some books as well.
What is truly sad, is how the economic crash of Japan killed their love for the future. You see this in the shift in media over there after 1990. It went from bright spacy operas to dystopian sadness, to now the isakai genera where people feel they are better off dead then living. The sad part is the future we are getting, is the future Phillip K dick wrote about.
Because here we are, communicating and sharing our emotions via an empathy box. Showing our cat pictures to others not just to get validation but to also cheer them up.
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In my "headcanon", as the kids say, I tend to think of Hellstrom's Hive as part of the deep background of the Dune series, from before humans became spacefaring. They are, in my personal canon, the primary origin of the Bene Tleilax.
Dude, I absolutely love this channel! Such great reading recommendations and narration/commentary of the topic and subject of these books, to give you a feel of what they’re like. Also if I’ve already read one, it’s fun to hear another persons thoughts on it and just hear another talking about a book I like. Every upload is a pleasant surprise, I’m always waiting for another video to drop
Alright Quinn you finally have a video that made me stop so I don't spoil a story I've never read......I still gave you the thumbs up and let the video finish on mute and in the background so you still get the view as well.....Thanks bro.
I remember reading this as a teenager in the 70's.
I had completely forgotten about it until seeing this post.
Well done! I never seen a discussion of this book. It’s an overlooked gem.
I read/listen to this novel every few years. Such an underrated piece of amazing fiction. Can`t believe they haven`t made a film adaptation.
I hope you see this.
I'm not the biggest reader of fiction. I've stayed away from fiction reading for a long time, spending most my time reading non-fiction. I like to learn things for the stories I write. But since finding your channel, your sheer passion and the way you tell the story summaries of the books you showcase, I feel like I need to get some of them when I have the money. That Three Body Problem series REALLY caught me all because of you. Thank you for sharing your passions with us!
Quinn, I love your channel!
Thanks to you I'm reading great books this year.
Awesome job!
Great dive into a really awesome novel. As with some of the others posting here, I already read "The Green Brain", and then I saw the film "The Hellstrom Chronicles" when released. When Frank Herbert released " Hellstrom's Hive" I thought it was going to be a rehash of the aforementioned film. I really enjoyed the novel and recommend it to other fans of Frank Herbert who may have missed this gem. Thanks Quinn.
Thanks for your amazing insight as usual. Frank is such a stud. I’m from the northwest too. I see you used actual images from the area. Again, top notch.
So glad to see you finally cover this.
I've oft wondered about Herbert's other sci-fi works, but these days you can only find them at Half-Price Books, for the most part. Thank you for this.
So glad you gave this book a video of its own. Lots of great ideas in here, and a lot of them show up in other works, particularly Dune (stumps = tanks).
i read this more than once, and now being reminded of it, will read it again. Thanks for doing this vid, Quin, as I think it's a very good Herbert novel.
Keep up the great work, Quinn! I love your channel and all the sci-fi-ey goodness its presents.
This is one of my favorite books. Have reread it many times. Very glad to see you review it. Have you ever come across a book by Jack Williamson called "Darker than you Think"? It is a bit dated (copyright 1948) but the story is good.
Quinn, I really don't know how you do it. I love this book, and I never thought anyone would cover it in a million years. I appreciate you, man!
Another great video, keep up the amazing work, I have found so many books to read through you, thank you so much!! :)
Thanks for shinning a light on this.
Awesome. I've hoped you would cover Hellstroms Hive. Maybe Destination: Void and the pandora series? Or Whipping Star and The Dosiadi Experiment.
Quinn provides such insightful thoughts while providing a nice review. Im glad to see people still interested in written sci-fi!
Hellstrom’s Hive is an old favourite of mine, thank you for making a video about it.
I love hearing Quinn explain books but im also always in AWE of his bookshelf! I wish i had the space for it
It's always a good day when Quinn uploads a video (or two)!
Ouinn I so glad your channel has continued to grow
YES! Another Quinn video!
A work that definitely deserves more attention. I'm hoping with the popularity of the Dune movies that more interest will be generated in Herbert's other works.
i'm so glad i found this channel, for reall! this is amazing!
Hey Quinn I subbed to you and I like your videos you got me back into reading I just want to say thanks! Love you videos!
Always enjoy your vids Quinn, keep them coming! Love from the UK
Thanks Quinn /// i have since i have been watching your videos have bought all the Dune books (Franks), the Foundation trilogy, HP Lovecrafts Scifi collection, and various other Isaac Assimovs books and rare scifi books from the 70's // THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
I have not read this book but I am familiar with the concept of hive societies and hive minds from books I've read in the past. Listening to this podcast and hearing axolotl mentioned I was immediately reminded of The Clade, a benevolent drone swarm who were originally created by the AI's and humans as war drones to fight against the Prador but had gone rogue and turned against their creators to do the bidding of the belligerent ancient Jain races.
Asher is class, another lot of them would be the “conjoiners “ by The greatest Welsh sci-fi author Alistair Reynolds!!!
Much agreed, Reynolds has a fantastic imagination. Another sf author with the same writing style is Gary Gibson in particular his Stealing Light trilogy which I could not get enough of and so was overjoyed when a stand alone novel set in the same universe titled The Marauder came out.
I read Hellstrom’s Hive before I read Dune. It was what made me consider Herbert’s other books.
Always ready for sum new Quinn vids 😂
Oh crap! I've read this one around 25 years ago when I was a teen! Totally forgot about it and never knew it was Frank Herbert's book
I love how you do this book reviews.
Thanks for posting this. Not only if I heard about it, but I read it when I was a kid when it first came out. I forgot the name of it. I was trying to explain it to somebody about a year ago and how cool I thought it was.
I've been in a reading-black out for years now. Stumbled on your channel and am looking forward to reading some of your recommendation. Many sound absolitely fascinating. Thank you.
Glad to see you look at his other novels.
Outstanding video, thanks for sharing!
I love this story, and the wands they use for foraging.
Great video man, super excited every time you drop a new video on us
Give me a can of raid ,and I am pretty sure I could solo them.
That book is one of my very favorites. Thanks for doing this. Many folks don’t even know bout it,
An excellent review of a classic
Thank you for the video Quinn
I love watching Quinn's videos and getting all creeped out. Constantly keeps me on the edge of my seat
Another Amazing Video!!
Oh my goodness!!!
Can you even imagine what that would be like in reality? I'm completely blown away. FLAT LINNED
Great video! Just found your channel!
The audio in these are so good.
i love your videos man, just commenting to feed the algorithm
Thanks for the recommendation! I've been meaning to explore Herbert's work outside of Dune some day.
You never fail to put me on to new things
Loving it, Quinn! Bring on the Gowachin next!
Great book! Keep it up Quinn!!!!
The intro described Dufur, OR to me perfectly. I used to drive through there for my job. The Rajneeshees we’re buying land in that area long before the 80’s, maybe he was inspired by them?
This book sounds so interesting thank you for sharing it! Im actually writing a book similar to this one and it is about a Hive Mind communication intelligence system and the realm has it’s own leader that is spread throughout the whole realm through nerves and tendrils that resemble a nervous system. And since the creation of Earth, the leader of the Hive Mind or Collective Intelligence was against it. Flora and fauna is also strange within that world that is parallel to ours. I hope you liked it, i began to write it recently ❤
A great book! Herbert has some amazing novels well worth reading.
Been getting into sci-fi novels. THANK YOU!
Read it many years ago.
The naughty Fancy Line!
I remember reading this book the first time in the early 80s when I was 9 or 10 and I really loved it, probably re read it every 10 years since and love it even more each time. This and the Dosadi Experiment are among Frank's best work outside of Dune , though I havent read a Herbert book or story that I did not like. Destination Void and its sequel the Jesus Incident are also top notch
Science fiction hits harder now-a-days. I think it's because even though we exist in a more modern point than those days science fiction really became a thing, the possibilities we can achieve within our generation is much larger a leap. The internet might be amazing to someone 40 years ago, but the things we can have in 40 years from now will almost appear as magic. Even though we know it ain't
Outside of the Dune series, this is my favorite book by Herbert. Must have read it a dozen times. Kind of wished it had been adapted into a film or a TV series, since it never really gets wrapped up at the end. I always wanted to know what happens next.
Would love videos on Herbert’s other works, excellent for viewers as jumping off points👌🏾
I think that's my next holiday book thanks😊
Going to get this , summer reading list begun , thank you.
Interesting. Any idea if people behind Alpha Centauri read this (i know they took some inspiration from Dune) because...well Human Hive.
The quote when you build the recycling tanks is very close to one from this book. I think it's at the opening.
I have never heard of this book. Neat!
So, I’ve read the book, and it’s been a while, but I don’t remember them being human insect hybrids. The way I remember it they were just humans who had been selectively breeding for so long, for so many generations, that they’d taken on specialized traits, both physically and mentally, that made them somewhat insect like in their behavior. That was the most interesting part to me, that Hellstrom’s society had existed for so long, had grown so incredibly large, without anybody noticing until it was too late.
happy that you discovered this one....
Love your videos dude.
Thank you. This was based on a film you know. The Hellstrom Chronicles, which was mostly a documentary. I love so many of his books. The Eyes of Heisenberg is a great one.
Who needs book recommendations when you have Quinn, another one added to the collection
This honestly lines up with a lot of the Alien Abduction stuff from David Jacobs.
Oh wow, this one is a blast from the past. It's been decades since I've read this.
Good job!
Would you consider to make a review on Flying to Valhalla by Charles Pellegrino? Is one of the authors of the Killing Star, which I read because you made a video and it was a great book :)
A great book that also tackles this concern with how would a human society post-capitalism look like, called The Unincorporated Man by Dani and Etyan Kollin (IIRC).
It has some great intrigue, technology, storytelling and personally the idea of personal incorporation sounds like a good idea
One of my favorite books, read it few times
Hellstrom sounds like Holtzman who discovered the Holtzman effect, the technology that dominates Herbert's Dune.
I haven't read the book so I wonder if it wasn't just a coincidence.
Read this book on vacation in New Orleans on vacation. Every night it was better and better. Love this video