Concerns about the Evolution 23 by Victorinox
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- The Victorinox Evolution 23 is probably the smallest currently available Swiss army knife with both a saw and magnifying glass. But a lot of potential buyers may have some concerns…
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The Beavis-lifter!
Lol yes we need to rename that!
@@thevineclimber what has been seen cannot be unseen.
@daveyjones5702 Ugh I know. But it's like I always forget about it. And then when I actually open that tool, I'm like, eecchhh
I like that the Wenger knives came with a file in place of the small blade, which they’ve now copied on the Companion. I would love Vic to introduce the Wenger blade lock to some 91mm models. Fieldmaster with small file and lock? Perfection!
Hi, Greg.Thanks for your comment! I actually think that they are phasing out every knife with that lock on it.I hope they come up with another lock solutio!.Because I agree, a locking Fieldmaster would be amazing!!!!
@@thevineclimber @gregwhates5948 If you can find one, the Evolution S18 (or EvoGrip S18) are pretty much what you're imagining, as a Fieldmaster with locking blade. It's the Delemont body + scales, with the locking blade, scissors and saw. I think it's discontinued now, but they're obviously out there somewhere… (I have the EvoGrip version, I'm not sure if they ever made a version without the grippy scales)
What you must remember is Victorinox/Wenger are Swiss. The Swiss are brilliant engineers and designers. Whatever they make will look good and work well. If you accept each tool/feature on it’s own terms, you realize you have a great, useful wonderful tool.
That is a really great reply. Thank you so much for leaving that comment here. I have to say that I agree. Especially when you compare what you're getting for the money from Victorinox, it's just so fast beyond what you've seen from other tool companies.
@@thevineclimber Thank you. I enjoy your channel!
Wow, this is a great insight. I don't think anyone has put out this way before.
I got the evolution 11 as a gift, I was amazed at how comfortable it feels in the hand.
I haven't had any problems with it... not many seem to be in love with it, though. I wonder if that's because people are kind of anti-Wenger at times, or if it's because they don't like the increased thickness? I think the design is lovely.
Most of us include a smartphone in our everyday carry. The ability to take zoomed in photographs and videos is fantastic. During review of the photos and videos, the images can be further magnified. Obtaining the images at difficult angles can be accomplished. Flash can be used to augment difficult lighting situations with the photographs. Even though a magnifying glass may be useful for imaging, the smartphone camera on many smartphones is a quantum leap forward. Of course, if the magnifying glass is being used to start a fire, then a camera won’t do that.
Oh, yes, excellent point! I've often thought that a smartphone can replace almost everything in EDC depending on what other technology you have around you. Of course it can replace a notebook and pen. It can replace a watch. It can replace house keys with some of these new technological locks. It can replace car keys if you have a Tesla, I think, although I'm not sure. It can replace a wallet either by sticking a sticky wallet to it or by actually just loading your cards into Apple pay or a similar app. It obviously has a flashlight on it, which I think you said. I think the only things that it's not going to replace are really a knife and a multi tool!!
I actually have a magnifying app on my phone as well, and you're right that it does a fantastic job!
Excellent points!
I wish these wenger style pen knives came with plus scales that can have a pen and straight pin, the nail clip 580 is my favourite dalmount
Yes; someone advised me to get a Nailclip 580, and is great! Fortunately, I think only the 85mm Delemonts are going away... But who really knows? After I saw your comment, I went looking - I know I found one small seller making plus evolution scales before, but I couldn't find them again. I'll post if I find them! Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@thevineclimber The nail clip is in my top 5 Victorinox’s of all time
Isn't the clippers wonderful? Have you used it to cut things other than nails? The nail clip that doesn't have any other tools on it is going away but I believe the regular 580 is staying.
@@thevineclimber Yes it really is and yes I have I edc it sometimes I have cut open coffee packets with the scissors and opened a pack of sweets, the compact is way more capable in my eyes and it’s my number 1 spot
I still don't have one of those! Thanks!
They are discontinued now, but there was the Victorinox Woodsman and the Victorinox Modeler. They were essentially an Explorer with a wood saw and a metal file, respectively.
I prefer the Wenger scissors to the Victorinox ones, but I also do not cut my nails with them. I file my nails only. The trick to using any of the magnifying lenses on SAKs is to treat them like a loupe. Hold the lens close to your eye and bring the item you are looking at near your eyes & SAK lens. Thank you for the review!
Oh wow, that is really interesting!! I have had great success with the magnifying glass at times, but other times not so much I bet your trick will help. Thanks for the info!!
Excellent! Ordered one today for my birthday 😊
Happy birthday! That is the perfect gift to yourself! :)
I'm gonna start referring to the cap lifter on an SAK as the "Beavis."
The knife looks great, but I'd miss the inline Phillips head. Other than that it looks very practical; I do like that they include a magnifier.
The magnifying glass is 2/3rds smaller in diameter than Victorinox Swiss Card, but its magnification is still good and the 'glass will light a fire if the sun is out. The end piece is a useful screwdriver which I like. Regarding the scissors, these can be sharpened beautifully by a technique that Felix Immler shares in his YT workshop series. The scissors' spring is excellent and stays attached whereas SAKs usual scissors use sprung steel, but if they come undone away, I warn anyone they are extremely cussed to replace. If scissors are to be used at all, then a small pair of Fiskars will do the job very nicely.
Just got this as a gift for credit card rewards. I wanted something that was part of the Evolution series. Glad I watched your video. Thank you!
Oh that's so awesome! Lol cool credit card. I love the Evo 23 - it just feels great to use and, except for a pen, it has everything commonly used on a SAK. ❤️ 🔪 💖
@@thevineclimber I carry SAKs when I'm working. I've got the Rescue tool on my bunker gear, Sentinel wavy (with clip) on my radio strap, I carry the Swisstool RS and Soldier Knife 08 on my person, SD Classic if I'm running, Alox 1 in class As, and then the Spartan (and soon to be Evo 23) when I'm just on call. Hoping the Evo 23 fits in will with my set up.
Oh good luck to me that you wrote to me! I have a question I need answered, and maybe you can answer:
Have you taken your Rescue Tool interior in a structure fire? I think the rescue blade may have some promise for entanglement? I know a fixed blade built for decreased fine motor skills would be preferable, but I'm also kinda wondering - would the handles melt??
@@thevineclimber Every time I go into a fire, I carry it with me. I wouldn't use any of the blades for entanglement unless it was my only option (I carry a few different pairs of cutters that are placed in various areas of my gear). Spring assisted is great for the fine moto skills part as a folding blade requires a bit more work and concentration. However, the rescue saw is fantastic for cutting drywall (whether it be for finding hot spots or cutting my way through to another room if the room I'm in suddenly flashes over). The handles will eventually melt but if I'm in a situation where the handles are melting, I'm in a situation I shouldn't be in. The Rescue Tool stays in it's sheath on my bunker pant belt. I use it more during rescue and EMS calls. Also on car accidents. I have a Sentinel Wavy / Clip on my radio strap and that sees a LOT more action than the rescue tool.
I kind of want the Beavis jaw knife pocket now.
Prices on them at Amazon have been low for quite a while! About $38 or $39 usually.
Don't use excessive force when using the screwdriver/magnifying glass to loosen a tight screw, the tool will twist and the magnifying glass may fall out.
Thank you! Wouldn't it be nice if there were a place where this knowledge could be collected and shared? That's a great thing to know because that would really be one of the main purposes of me getting this particular SAK.
@@thevineclimber I compared all three of the 5-layer Evolution knives (23, S52, S557) and finally settled on the S52. I could make do with any of them, but in the field I use the pliers more than I need a magnifying glass.
Interestingly, Amazon is selling the Evolution 23 for about ten dollars less than the Evolution 4-layer S17 and 3-layer S14.
@georgelewis7154 I really want to try one of the locking blades... And we should keep an eye on what happens with pricing on the Evolution knives, in case it's true they are being discontinued.
@@thevineclimber I watched the vicspain video (thanks to you) and I am saddened Victorinox may be discontinuing so many knives. Are all Delemont knives being discontinued, or did I misunderstand him?
Anyway, I am keeping an eye on some of the other Swiss Army knives and if the price drops to what I think is reasonable, I will probably buy a few of the ones that may be discontinued (as if I need any others).
Here's an example: I noticed that the Cybertool M/34 is no longer listed in the Victorinox online catalog, and Amazon was selling then for $72, so I bought one.
Ooh, that's a good tip! Nice price!
I just ordered one tonight and to be honest I’m very excited to carry this one. I find it to be cute and charming like a jelly bean, but still robust and capable of course. Actually all the evolution models give me that feeling because of the scales if that wasn’t obvious. But the evolution 23 comes with a cool magnifying glass. One I like much better than the ones from the Victorinox original pocket knife line.
Also I find it worth mentioning when I bought this i couldn’t find a brand new evolution 23 anywhere except through the victorinox website. Even used on eBay I almost got no results. If the universe isn’t playing tricks on me when I’m searching the web than I would deduce that the evolution 23 must not be very popular. However I think we’ll miss it if it ever leaves production.
If you already have an opinion on this or you just know things related to it I would love to hear about it in a future video.
Appreciate your thoughts about the Evolution 23, thank you.
Cool! I love it. Still can't give up the Swiss Champ, but I'm always happy to carry the Evo 23! Gorgeous scales.
Thank you for watching and commenting!
I like the evo scales and I love the stippled file. Didn't know about the shield. I agree about the scissors. They are not good for personal grooming. Still a great tool set. I'll need to look for one.
Tobias, they are usually about $37 on Amazon!
I feel like you would be much better off carrying the common and venerable Huntsman and a card/wallet fresnel lens. Aperture is about 7 times that of *any* Vic knife lens and it takes essentially no space to carry. small warning. people sometimes forget to keep it in a sleeve/cover it usually comes with to prevent scratching.
That is an excellent point, I looked 3l at one time for a small magnifying glass and didn't find anything suitably, but a fresnel lens could be ideal - I will get one and try out our for the things I need it for. I know it's good with print.
Evolution 14 was my choice. Love the grip and tools. I tend to file my nails often to play guitar and use my SAK file very often.
I love your Phillips screwdriver positioned at the end of the tool!!
Deleting scissors grip the work piece. I like that 😊
Do you find the scales have a plasticky and hollow feel/sound when manipulating? I found this to be the case on other Evo tools.
Yes I agree they don't feel as good as the non-Delemont ones!
The scissors are terrible comparing to the regular ones. Besides, it's kinda hard tsharpening them just because they have the pin that doesn't let to fully open them. The only good thing about them is the spring. That's a lot better than the regular one. I have mixed feelings about the magnifying glass. It is a lot more sturdier than the regular one, but unfortunately it's very small. I have seen lots of broken regular ones made of cheap plastic, so I probably would go with this one even though it's uncomfortable. I wish, Victorinox some day will make the regular one in a metal frame. And I agree that the blade is better than the regular Victorinox and I don't like scales as well as Ann
Hey Vlad! Yes, I do prefer the regular Victorinox scissors. The magnifying glass is just worse for everything I do. But they both work. And it's a great size!
Thank you so much for your thoughtful comments! 😀
I want the perfect VSAK. Large blade, saw, magnifying glass, hook, can opener,(no bottle opener), scissors, tweezers, place for ferro rod, pen.
Seems that the knife does not come with saw, magnifying glass and hook unless it is the Swisschamp.
Anne, nice honest review of this model. I do know you really like the saw. But, now I can't un-see the Beevis jaw. Victorinox will thank you for the plummeting sales! LOL Jeff
I have personally contributed to the loss of the Evolution series. But come on if you make a knife that looks like a famous cartoon character you can't expect us to not call you out on it! Thank you very much for watching and for your thoughtful comment.
It is not a well known fact that one of the Swiss army knife early customers was well known as a plucker of his nose hair------ thus comes the SAK tweezer.
It is also a very poorly known fact there's another Swiss army knife early customer was well known around the drunkards bar he hung out in--well, he was known in public by having to try to pluck big gobs of hardened mucus from his nose space and maybe higher. Seeing that need----we now have the SAK pick--- note it was "prettyed up" and called a toothpick to get it passed bizarre censorship of the day.
Ignore the strike through-- I don't know where it came from.
LOL!!!! I always wondered where that came from!!! Thank you for the history lesson!!
I have to say, and it's probably because I'm British, that the shape of the cap lifter (which I've never used once on any EDC tool) does not bother me at all :-)))
This is the next on my wishlist ❤
I love this knife. ❤️
@@thevineclimber has it the potential to replace my every day huntsman? I have two huntsmans. One with yellow scales. And the queen elizabeth special edition. Wich I carry the most.
Wow, the Queen Elizabeth Special Edition?? I mean, it has a little better functionality, but that sounds like it could NOT be replaced!
@@thevineclimber well, I guess that means I have to have all 3 in rotation! 😁
Anne, Amazon is still holding down the price of the Evolution 23. A super deal. I think it's one of Victorinox's best values.
Yes, I could not agree more! It's just the price of 2 classic SDs, depending on the seller!
I got the Wenger major with the same tools and it is shorter
Great video as usual. I love the evolution series. Have you tried the evo wood? Evo wood 10 is my current edc.
Thanks!! That's good to hear - I haven't because I'm afraid I would get the scales wet and they would be damaged. Have you had any problems with them?
@@thevineclimber never had a problem. I own a few and they are all unique and extremely durable.
Thanks for the information!
It's too bad they discontinued the Walker. I actually think the best combo for low weight to performance for a saw would be ====> Victorinox Rambler + Walker. That would be a total of 2.7 ounces as opposed to 4 ounces. You get just about every tool except the awl, the corkscrew and the magnifying glass. But you get a nail file, scissors, small knife, small philips, large saw, large knife and combo tool, toothpick and tweezers.
Wow. Yes. And I have and LOVE both of those knives!!!! I'm going to try this!!!
@@thevineclimber It's largely untested :D as I don't have the Walker yet. I did manage to get one from Country Knives. It cost $35 plus shipping but I think it's worth it to pay more for less tools :P I'm very much a minimalist :P
I was thinking about getting one just for that nice magnifying glass. Plastic magnifying glass on a Swiss Army Knife is so out of place.
You know, I've actually long thought about making a video about the differences between the 2 magnifying glasses. It is harder to use this little magnifying glass than the plastic one. But I agree, the look isn't right with the plastic one!
I like it👍👍Hi legend 🇦🇺🏄💯..Decent EDC.Its a full Beavis 🤣Dead ringer
Lol I know, right? And whenever I forget and open it (thinking about something else) I'm always like, "Oh my goodness, that looks just like Beavis!"
Looks great its evaluationary design.
It's full of compromises, like every SAK, but it has what I need!
Nice video! Keep them coming
Thanks! And thank you for the view and the comment.
Can you start a fire with the evo magnifying glass?🤔
Only one way to find out... I'm on it!!
ROFL great B&B reference
Hehe thanks- I didn't even know there were new ones out!
I carry the evo 23 in my edc nutsac bag as a spare..it just the wrong shape for my pocket. I carry the tourist. As my pocket carry edc
Nice! The tourist... classic toolset very slim, My guess is that it has been discontinued because when people buy Swiss army knives on the Internet. No one differentiates clearly for them the small versus regular size. Beautiful smaller knife!
I gotta get a Evo
Evolution 23 is still around $100 on Amazon!
cannot…unsee…Beavis 🤣
Hahaha sorry!!! I heard that's actually the reason they are discontinuing the Delemont line.
Great video! But thanks... now it Beavises, all the way down!
LOL I'm sorry, I can't unsee it either!!
LMAO, Beavis... pam pararam parararam.. pam pararam parararam!
I hate to admit it, but when I made that video, I didn't really realize that they were back!!
you dont have any tang stamps your knife could be a copy
You totally might be right. I'm gonna check when I get back to that knife! The only reason I say that you might be right is because, although I haven't had any problems with it at all and I find it to function absolutely correctly - it was for sale cheaper than I thought It ought to be on Amazon.
the knife costs about £80@@thevineclimber
@@jebby285 I know, but It has been on sale at Amazon US for approximately $40 for like a year.
Beavis' jaw!!
Hahaha!!
But because I will never be able to not see that, I will never own this model.
...Beavis' jaw...that's funny stuff...
Lol!!!! I can forget about it, but EVERY time I open that cap lifter, there it is!! It just grates on me!!
I never liked Wenger swiss army knives, although I did collect swiss army knives, so ended up with some and this version was one. Of course this one is the Victorinox rendition with improvements like can opener and the awl? The magnifier is poor to be polite and if you use the screwdriver on the end ,be careful the lense doesn't fly out!
The scales add so much width to the knife also!
Wenger were the masters at innovation and if you look at the Wenger Giant, you will see just how many innovations they had.most failed and it always surprises me Victorinox never did a proper lense on this implement, and that these odd few Delemont models even still exist?
One to try out is the evolution s54 or as Wenger called it the tool chest plus ?
Hi Mike!I do truly love this knife but I agree that the magnifying glass is difficult to use.It's too small with too high of a magnification.The Victorinox version of the magnifying glass is significantly better! However it is the smallest way to get both a magnifying glass and a saw on a Victorinox knife. And I like having both of those things! It really isn't small enough to make it easy for me to carry but I still like it a good deal and if I have misplaced my Swiss champ I will carry it with me temporarily.
I like to see how many things Wenger innovated. I wonder if the internet being like it is now, if they would have had greater success with all of the many inventions for the Swiss army knife.
So the title of your video is very misleading ..... You explain how all your concerns are not really concerns ..... Hmmm
OK video otherwise! Although you are probably the only person in the world who sees Beavis!!
Going for radical honesty here, I'm going to admit that was not a good title, and it was click bait. I'm sorry. BUT I'm super glad you watched the video... and now you're gonna see Beavis, too!!
❤️🧡💛💚💙
Doors this mean something other than that this was an amazing video????
Beavis 😂😂😂
That Delemont magnifier can burn in hell. That is the most awful tool ever!
looks fake
Wow, that is very interesting, I'm gonna go look at it when I got home. You know, the Evolution 23 is available at a quite low price on Amazon for around $40 and has been for months it seems to actually work really well. I haven't noticed any function problems with it, but it definitely is at a suspiciously low price. So I'm gonna go home and take a look at it and get back to you about the tang stamps. Because I thought it did have them. But I can't tell you for sure.