Rabies: 100% Fatal
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- Опубликовано: 29 дек 2021
- Rabies is a deadly cross-species transfer virus spread to people, typically through the saliva of infected animals. The virus is known to kill around 60,000 per year, with virtually no survivors after symptoms have been detected. Although an estimated 6 to 29 (unconfirmed) people have survived the virus, the odds of death after symptoms occur is roughly 99.996%.
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Honestly a 14% success rate on something that had a 100% fatality rate from the dawn of time via a treatment thought up on the spot is really dang impressive imo
Yeah, it's funny to me how we see that as a failure, when it opens up so many possibilities for treatment
I wouldn't say a failure, just not hopeful.
@@zenleek2129 yes but the sample size is so small many other factors could be what really fixed over this treatment so while yes it’s better than nothing I think it’s fair to say it’s big gamble
@@feritperliare2890 That is certainly true, but this is why I would be excited to test it more, find optimizations, and hopefully, get a solid treatment.
It's been done before, there's a chance for this too. And if it doesn't work, at least we'll know to look for the actual reason some people survive and try to emulate it
"Every year, more than 29 million people worldwide receive a post-bite vaccination. This is estimated to prevent hundreds of thousands of rabies deaths annually."
I read a thread once that asked what the single most terrifying sentence in human languages is. A bunch of them were what you expected like, "We need to talk" or "There's been an accident" but the single most existentially terrifying one I read went like this:
"Rabies has gone airborne."
I am pretty sure the United States and/or the Russians have a genetically modified airborne strain of rabies that the public will never know about. It's probably sitting somewhere in a cold war stockpile of biological and chemical weapons that was supposed to be disposed of. I read the soviets experimented with trying to make an airborne strain of HIV. It might not be true but makes you wonder.
That is unironically the scariest shit. I don’t really give a shit about covid, but rabies fucking terrified me
@@peterstoric6560 probably because rabies is nearly 100% fatal once symptoms develop and a victim of airborne rabies might not know they have been exposed.
@@vic5015 I know and am well aware of the illness, but the thing that gets me is how the death is. Rabies has to the most horrific illness out there just for the symptoms, it might as well be out of a horror movie
That's insane . Why anyone would do that? That weapon would backfire in one or two weeks. As english is not my mother lenguage I must say that "insane" is the fact of lab modified viruses production not to state that someone is working on it.
My son was bit by a dog at a friend's house, his mother didn't though the vaccine was necessary because it was only a scratch. I went anyway and gave it to him.... later the dog started with symptoms and died short after... I've never been happier of being overly cautious in my life, best decision i've ever made
Wow you actually saved his life
You my man are a hero
Its protocolary actually, unless the dog has an owner and the owner has all the vaccination certificacions at hand, you HAVE to take both the rabies and tetanus shots.
@@Hemestal ideally, yes... but in reality is up to the person... but gambling your life in probability doesn't seem a very smart choice
My mom got bit by a dog while riding her bike and at first they couldn't find the dog. She was in the doctors office getting ready to start the vaccines when my dad was able to identify they found the dog and they verified it had it's rabies shot. A few months later the same dog bit another person when it got out of the owner's yard and had to be put down. The police hadn't been interested in taking a report when it bit my mom but after the next person I guess that bite was rather bad and they came back and took my mom's statement.
Rabies is the closest thing we have to a zombie disease. Truly terrifying.
almost. the hendravirus in australia is x100 worse
If you were a heavy drug user junkie and got it rabies then you qualify to be a zombie
We have bath salt with the same effect. Or cannibals.
@@sobieskireborn7361nothing is worse than rabies. It is literally the deadliest virus on the planet with a 100% death rate. the hendra virus on the other side almost exclusively infects horses. only 7 people ever got infected with it. from those 7, 4 survived. if you get infectedwith rabies you are dead. the chances surviving it is like winning the lottery 10 times in a row 😅 and it’s one, if not THE worst and most painful ways to die!
The holy grail for BGates would be a rabid mosquito. Ultimate in pop. control.
I’ve heard that the idea of the ware wolf came from rabies. People would be bitten by a crazy wolf, then later start acting the same way, so it’s no surprise the ware wolf story came about.
*Werewolf*
Wolf where?
Wear wolf
Usually the person was bitten byba rabid rat or some other animal.
The warewolf was then the infected person. Not the cause of the infection.
Wherewolf.
I got bit by a stray cat back in 2014. Called animal control, they quizzed me over how the cat was acting. The Officer said something that made me think. He said, "Look, you can set a trap and catch it if you're lucky. But if it were me, I'd go start the Rabies treatments tomorrow, and get the vaccine. Rabies is 100% fatal and it's too late once symptoms start." So, I went and got the shots. One antibody shot in each extremity, two at the site of the bite and one vaccine. Then back for more antibodies at 7, 14, and 21 days. In all 10 shots. I did eventually catch the cat, it was negative. But I feel I made the right choice in case I didn't catch it.
@@dominic6055 if only you knew how terrifying the threat of rabies is, you would be smarter with your words, buddy.
@@dominic6055 Look at this snowflake comparing lifesaving medicine to toxic crap.
If it makes you feel worse, they had to kill the cat to test it.
@@nashooo5903 ~
@@dominic6055 i mean if it was possible that i had contracted a disease that has a 100% death rate, i would very happily take 10 shots to get those rates down.
idk about you but faith won't save me from rabies, it's gonna be medicine.
@@jaahas6870 viruses don't work like that, if you eat healthy and you don't have weaknesses, even if u r bitten by an animal with rabies u won't die,because you have an immune system which is keeping at bay many viruses and bacteria every day...Medicine is selling you the idea they are curing you because it's a business,what they don't tell you is that people that died from rabies had other conditons as well,not to mention ate poor quality food...now it's true some drugs can cure a sick person, but the best way to minimize the risk of getting sick from rabies is to not compromise your health by ingesting drugs just from fear of getting rabies in the future
It's crazy to see a disease that is 100% treatable and no one should die, but if you don't get treated it's 100% death. It's scary and crazy to think about.
Not crazy.
Look at all the idiots who committed suicide over a COVID vaccine.
Nothing crazy about it.
You treat it with vaccines right?
@@shame2330 Vaccines are prevention, the actual treatment is different. It used to be a shot in the stomach for 12 days in a row, but I don’t know how they treat now. The old treatment was horribly painful.
My mom said when she was little, her friend got bit by a rabid dog; they lived in a small town in Mexico so seeing a doctor would be a trip so they saw she looked okay and brushed it off.
Later, they asked my mom to go see her to hopefully get her friend to recognize somebody…my mom said she didn’t recognize her and was salivating and had no sense of herself in her eyes. She died shortly after.
Ugh Damn 😢
@@Vatikami she just randomly told me one day while we both sat there lol then immediately started talking about regular stuff. 🤣
@@Vatikami ohh no sorry I thought you were asking about my mom 🤣
Imagine dying cause your parents were too lazy to take you to the doctor
@@RAAM855lazy and probably ignorant .
The scariest diseases, injuries, etc in my opinion are always the ones that effect the brain. It's one thing to lose part of your body, if you lose control or function of your brain your literally losing yourself.
The alternative extreme is being aware and stuck in a numb shell. I'd argue not being aware is better
check out the video this guy did on Creutzfelt-Jakob Disease (mad cow disease). This is another truelly terrifying brain disease
Brain injuries scare me for that reason. Some people whack their head and wake up a different person. Honestly terrifying
This comment is straight from my inner most thoughts.
It sounds like a zombie virus except you’re flesh isn’t rotting
wait
As a retired ICU nurse who has watched a rabies death, I am so glad you did this video!
How messed up is a rabies induced death?
Yes, please - describe.
How often have you seen a patient get brought into the ICU with rabies? I'm curious.
I am grateful I live in rabies free Australia where our import laws impose stringent quarantine on animals entering the country.
Suck eggs Jonny Depp
@@thepaintingbanjo8894 one of the worst disease you can die from
I thought rabies was treatable once infected. I didn’t realize I brushed death’s fingertips until today. A few years ago a slobbery, skittish dog came up to me when I was sitting outside, moping and upset over some issue that no longer has a place in my memory. Telling my wife about the sweet dog, her eyes went wide and proclaimed that the dog I pet was one which people in our neighborhood were trying to catch, because it had been infected with rabies due to some rodent bite. This adorable black Labrador, likely mixed with pitbull - trotted awkwardly up to me and essentially sat in my lap. She allowed me to pet her, which in the moment was a bit of happiness and relief that I needed. I can’t believe I did that without a rabies vaccination. I would’ve died had she decided to bite me. Instead she became skittish and weird after a short while of allowing me to pet her, withdrawing down the sidewalk and off into the distance, never to be seen by my eyes again. That dog could’ve been the end of my life. That is fucking horrifying. I had no clue it was 100% lethal unless you have an immunity to it.
Knowing how soon it kills, I’m sad to understand that she likely died a painful, drawn-out death if she wasn’t picked up and euthanized. Although she was dangerous, she had such a good spirit. A truly wonderful creature, slain by an invisible enemy with no weapon against it she could defend herself with. She deserved better. I hope someday there’ll be some sort of universal cure for rabies in all creatures, human and our lesser-advanced counterparts. Nobody and no animal deserves to die that way, being so horrified of water that you dehydrate to death, or so hysterical that you either harm yourself or others. It must’ve been a terrible experience for that poor dog.
Click click , bang . no suffer .
"I would have died if she had bitten me."
No you wouldn't have. You can get the vaccination post-infection. It isn't needed preemptively.
He even said this in the video. I feel like people comment and don't even watch.
If you are not showing symptoms yet, you can be treated. It's when you're symptomatic that you're in trouble. So if anything like this happens again, seek medical attention.
rest in peace, doggo.
Sometimes rabies doesn't happen immediately and can automatically happen months or years later. So I would go check.
14% success vs 100% fatal otherwise is definitely worth the shot. Not to mention passing away in a coma sounds a heck of a lot better than dying from the symptoms and being awake.
Imagine how lucky we are that the first person to receive the protocol was among the 14% to survive. If she didn’t we wouldn’t know that it sometimes works, and no one would survive.
Yea but don't forget that rabies will not go down without a fight
Cuz all of them survivors didn't get out without having their brains in one piece
Some disabled some took years to go back to somewhat normal
Thankfully there's a cure now, which is putting the patient in controlled coma in the very early stage when the person got infected. That way the virus won't destroy the brain/nervous system and will be fight off by the body immune system, with help from medication
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess Not a cure really. I mean, it's a cure for 14% of people who recieve it. You're more likely to survive if you are under the age of 18, and are bitten by a dog, preferably om the foot.
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 Sadly this is only possible in a first World country with good health care system. In poor countries people hardly even have vaccines, like in India a lot of people die from rabies, infected by stray dogs. While in 1st world countries the infections are rare (compared to poor places) and are by far mostly by bats
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess That is sad, but true.
Louis Pasteur was an amazing man. He could have exposed himself to rabies while experimenting with it, yet he went forward and saved so many lives.
He really doesn’t get enough credit.
No he wasn't he had no ethics. pasteur injected a child with different concentrations of rabies and then full amount when the child wasn't sure to have got bitten by a rabid dog with rabies. Didn't ask the child or mother's permission to try this experimental treatment and then told authorities he did a massive trial on patients before he had them put it on the market when all he tested it on was this one boy..... check pasteurs diary....... heck title of this video is wrong as some people with rabies have recovered.
Some would say he was born to be a scientist, his parents were such fans of the pasteurization process that they named him after it!
Please cite a source for this accusation.
@@thomasfink2385 Google it or check out the tv series dark matters twisted but true or heck I already said the best source being his lab book/diary. I dont get why people ask others for sources as might aswell just Google it in the same amount of time it takes to ask for a source. Especially asking me to cite sources when I already said one to look up anyway with his lab book/diary but I was nice and still gave another source of a tv series that says about it. So instead of asking people for sources why not just Google it and don't be lazy and double check what I said anyway since I already said a source for it anyway
I recently read an article theorizing WHY bats carry so many viruses.
If I recall correctly: It had to do with how aerodynamically Inefficient bats are (compared to birds), and how they have to expend so much muscle/metabolic energy to remain airborne.
Resulting in release of byproducts that can induce autoimmune reactions/inflammation that could potentially kill them.
So their immune systems are 'dampened' to compensate, allowing them to (non-lethally) host many varieties of virii.
Might be nur bats actually have a really good immune System thats why viruses that evolved along side bats had to keep getting stronger and finding ways to keep up With its fast immune system and Thats why when a human gets infected by a bat (even tho the bat itself might be fine) its disasterous.
@@jayjiggered4103 It (apparently - cannot cite the source) HAS been established that the majority of bats infected with rabies will eventually die. But also that only about 1-3% of the population are actually infected, at any given time.
A childhood friend of mine contracted rabies from a kidney transplant of an infected patient. Several others got organs from the same person. All recipients died. That case is the reason they test for rabies before donating organs.
Jesus
I heard of this on Mr ballet a guy ate a raccoon that had rabies then died of so,etching else but his organs were transplanted and still had traces of rabies in it and so,show the guy with a rabies infected organ survived
There is a video on RUclips of a Russian man with rabies. He allowed doctors to interview and record him from admission to death. Such a nice man. He demonstrated how just having water put in front of him gave him uncontrollable spasms. He couldn't even handle the wet cloth to cool his head at times the mere thought of water near him was enough. He talked until his last day. Choking on his own saliva and spasms
Extreme hydrophobia is one of the late-stage symptoms of rabies. If you develop it, you will almost certainly die.
There is a video on RUclips of a asian kid with rabies. It's in stages and includes efforts from his mother to get him to drink something which he cannot because of hydrophobia. There is also a video of an Iranian man slowly dying of rabies.
Oh God
Spooky
That's terrible, I wonder if put in a coma, and use of IV too keep hydrated for a long enough stage food the body to possibly find a way to resist, fight or beat the hell that is rabies.
As a an animal health student, I think its important to mention that rabies can also do the opposite of making an animal agressive: sometimes a rabid animal will be friendlier/less afraid of humans than usual. If you see a wild animal that is friendly towards you or just doesn't seem scared when people get close to it, don't approach it and report it instead
Damn should i report all the friendly squirrels and rabbits in my yard who like me?
@@terskataneli6457 Yes, why would anything actually like you?
@@arandomcommenter412 Damn, that's a little harsh lol
@@arandomcommenter412 you didn't killed him
You send him straight to oblivion
@@arandomcommenter412 Fatality.
3 yrs ago my son got bit by a dog someone was walking. The guy took off and didn't any information if the dog had shots. He drove to the emergency room and was given the rabies shots. He said they give the shots at the bite site and he had to go 2 times to get booster shots. He said it didn't hurt and he's glad he did it.
Your son was very lucky Wanda. Rabies is something Doctors usually don’t inherently look for unless the victim mentions they’ve been bitten. That’s why it’s so rarely fixed. Glad he got his injection safely.
There was a girl in America, middle west somewhere, she got infected with rabies, but the doc of her small town saw the signs, after her parents finally took her to him. She was transferred to the next bigger hospital, where they put her into a cold coma, you can say they froze her body down. After, I don’t know for how long, they warmed her up again, the cold kinda restarted her brain. She was cured, but had to learn everything again, like speaking, eating, walking, but she survived rabies.
Fond du Loc, Wisconsin
I've heard about this and if it's the same woman I'm pretty sure this is why Rabies is 99.9% fatal after the symptoms because only one person has ever survived it
Her
@@youknow227lol, smart ass😂
@@aaronrodden8121 Yep 😀
Rabies: the plot filling for every zombie movie/game
I mean it would make sense
@@orangequill1645 It would most likely have to mutant in such a severe way, but who know
Literally only dying light has rabies as the main cause of infection?
@@Xadous1 No others do
@@Xadous1 28 days later, and 28 weeks later use the rabies as the Z virus
It was mentioned but not stressed, you will not just be in physical agony, but you will be feeling the worst terror in your life because rabies eats the part of the brain that controls it. You won't know what you're even afraid of, you'll be really really afraid all the time after the first symptom hits.
Yuck....
All the more reason to deliver a swift and merciful death.
As a person with panic attacks that sounds like the worst thing ever.
@@jennyrose9454 I would pick medically induced coma over that experience. And just keep me alive long enough to confirm if I am one of those one out of million lucky enough to fight it off, if not, pull the plug.
@@Elmithian hey as long as the person is unconscious not awake. But would you be ok seriously crippled/ mentally damaged after?
My mom had something tiny fly out of some bushes in her yard and bite her arm. It happened so fast she though it was an insect because it was so small. She wasn't going to do anything about it until her friend who is an old retired nurse saw it and told her she'd been bitten by a bat. By the time she got her rabies shots she only had about 12 hours left until they wouldn't have worked anyways. Very glad she was able to get them in time. Please remember there is a time window between getting bit and getting the shots and it's a very short one.....
As I mentioned in another video about rabies (too hideous, I'd rather not link-you'll find it if you look under rabies in humans) in the early 70s my father worked for Pan Am and were were transferred to Kinshasa, in what was the called Zaire (now DR Congo). I was around 14; my sister was 12 and my brothers were 16 and 18.
Anyway, at some point we got a dog, which was a Ridgeback/Alsatian cross; he was a puppy, he was adorable and we named him Santana (after our favourite guitarist).
He was a very happy puppy, loving and kind beyond his years, but you can imagine that there weren't exactly vets on every corner as we were living in a dictatorship run by a president who by law had to have his face on the front page of every newspaper, every day (we thought this was hilarious. The Congolese probably didn't).
Anyway, Santana was around six months old and it was my recollection that we wanted to have him vaccinated against rabies (there was an American doctor-not a vet, but an actual doctor, associated with the embassy that dealt with these things but were told that he was too young to be vaccinated and we'd have to wait till he was over six months.
We lived literally across the street from the Congo river; our huge terrace, where we often hung out overlooked the river-all you had to do was go down the steps, into the garden, out the gate, across a two-lane road and you were at the top of a slope going right down to the river.
We were heavily into rock music and my brother and I were always going to see local musicians at night clubs in the city-sometimes wed go by taxi but sometimes we'd have to come home on foot. After dark the streets were deserted but one thing was for sure: you'd probably run across a pack of wild dogs at some point. We were terrified of them; they'd be barking like demons, running through the streets in packs of as many as ten dogs . . . I don't remember now how we avoided them, or perhaps they stayed away from humans; I can't remember.
But at night I believe Santana was always on the porch, I think because he slept out there or he didn't like air conditioning . . . at any rate, one night we were inside the house when we heard some insane barking coming from out on the terrace, and we realised that somehow a pack of dogs had gotten in through a gate and Santana was trying to beat them off. We had had a party that night with a bunch of kids from the American high school-all good clean fun in those days-so maybe someone had left a gate open.
Anyway, afterwards we patted Santana, who looked none the worse for wear, but my sister and I looked at each other-we knew all about rabies because we had been born in Calcutta, India, and lived there for our first ten years (8 in her case) and you couldn't NOT know about rabies if you lived in India. So we looked at each other with the same thought: watch Santana very, very carefully. If he started to act weird, which we knew would happen maybe as soon as a couple of weeks, then we were in trouble.
I think that my parents contacted the embassy doctor to see if Santana could be vaccinated and that was when we were told he was too young-I don't really remember.
But sure enough, after twelve days (I remember it like it was yesterday) my sister and I were getting ready to go to school and waiting for the driver, out in the front of the house
and Santana came up to us, his tail wagging happily as usual, but as we held out our hands for him to come he suddenly growled . . .
That was when we knew, somehow, although we hoped to god it wasn't that. When we got back from school we heard that he'd been acting very weirdly, growling but then whining miserably, as if he was sorry to be growling at us . . . he just couldn't help himself. We called the American embassy to find out what to do-if they could euthanize him if he actually had rabies. Those bastards told us that he had to die naturally so they could test his brain to confirm whether or not he had the disease. In the meantime we were told to lock him up somewhere and not to go near him.
My brother and the night watchman somehow got him into the garage and closed the door on him. The garage was just off the terrace and the next few days were the worst days of my life TO DATE. Santana began by barking but soon these turned to howls; he never stopped, day and night and it was so awful to hear that we were almost driven mad. It took him several days to die and we didn't know he'd died until the howling stopped sometime in the night.
Fuck, I'm crying just thinking about it, and it was fifty years ago!
Of course we all had to have the vaccinations, at the time given in the abdomen (just the cutaneous fat, not "in the stomach" like all the idiotic stories went-it was no more painful than regular injections in the arm).
But I'll always remember I asked the doctor what the symptoms of rabies were but he refused to tell me! He apparently thought I'd imagine myself into having the symptoms. Fuck him; I looked it up in the giant encyclopedia we had-not exactly Wikipedia.
The night Santana died the sky was a bizarre yellow colour . . . and we found out that our cat had been run over by a car in the street at the end of the terrace. You can't make these things up . . .
Ever since then I've never had a dog, only cats. But I'll never forget Santana's loving brown eyes, even as a puppy, and his bravery taking on a pack of dogs all by himself.
So yeah, take it from me . . . you NEVER want any living thing you know, wild or not to have this ghastly disease. I often wonder if our house is still there, although I can't find it on Google Maps, but I know for sure that there are many, many more packs of wild, probably rabid dogs running through that godforsaken city's streets.
We left Kinshasa in 1974, just before Mohammed Ali came for his big boxing match.
I've never looked back.
You’re an amazing storyteller
@@Esme-rq7xh Thanks! But it's one story I don't wish to relive. Heh . . . I just bought a book called "The Natural History Of Rabies" and I can't wait to read it. It truly is the most horrific disease ever to occur on Earth.
@@kamakirinoko let me know if it’s worth reading :)
@@Esme-rq7xh I'm reading it right now-to answer your question, "It depends." The book already seems old, although it was published in 1975, scarcely three years after that little adventure happened to me. Since 1975 there have been massive progressions in rabies treatments-the Milwaukee Protocol, which actually saved one child who was already showing symptoms-so this book of course mentions nothing like that.
The first chapter is the history of rabies until around Pasteur; nothing much happens in the 1930s etc.
The second chapter, which I'm on now, shows some rather outdated-looking electron photos of the rabiesvirus etc. but is buried in technical detail. I haven't gotten to the rest of the book yet, but if you can pick it up for under $30 and are interested in virus morphologies and methods of transmissions,, along with various treatments, I'd say definitely pick it up. On amazon.ca it's going for $30 CDN.
www.amazon.ca/dp/0120724014?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
-Nick
@@Esme-rq7xh I see that rabies is alive and well in the city where I experienced it. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4241783/#:~:text=Human%20rabies%20remains%20important%20yet,dog%20bites%20in%20pediatric%20patients.
When I was 12, I was a junior counselor at a summer camp. One day there was a squirrel that was acting really tame, and all the little kids wanted to go pet it. I immediately knew something was wrong, and called a lead counselor over to come take the kids away. I told him to call Animal Control and report a possible rabid animal. I kept an eye on the squirrel and it didn't even try to run away. Sure enough, it tested positive, and I got a huge merit badge for protecting the little ones. I don't even know why I knew what rabies was, because this was WAY before the internet, but thank goodness I did!
Props to you bro, being a 12 year old and achieving something like that is 👌
Good instincts
I think it was mentioned in cartoons and pet books for what it's worth
At band camp huh
i didn't know you can only learn things from the internet.
I think there's something uniquely terrifying about rabies in particular that other certain-death conditions can't match. It doesn't matter if it's some random bat you wouldn't even notice the bite of, or a beloved pet you've been best friends with for years. It not only claims all it infects, but it does so in horrifying fashion and, in most species, makes them actively go out of their way to spread the disease to others.
Literally zombie virus
Yall know it's real when the SCP foundation is being this confounded by it.
Especially the time it can take before these horrible symptoms show. The uncertainty one must have while waiting if one's infected or not.
@@spiritualanarchist8162 Once there are symptoms, it's already too late.
It doesn't make them actively go out to infect others, it simply increases the chances the dog does it by inducing fear and anxiety, making it more likely to bite out of self defence, even though no threat is actually current.
Simon's deadpan delivery of 'accidentally vaccinated against their will' had me in stitches for two minutes, lol.
My 12 months old dog had rabies and my grand dad beat him to death. I try to forget and i did for the most part but this video brought me tears and i havent cried since 10 years or so. Even in his last moments the poor soul did not show any aggression towards me and it was painful to say the very least. I never had a pet since because of fear of loosing it. Btw i am from india and yes death from rabies is not unheard of over here.
Jesus man. That’s fked
Your granddad is a beast
How does your dog get infected by rabies?
@@gagongtarantado Through saliva. He was probably bitten by an infected animal, most likely.
I took a course on immunology once. On the last day of lecture, the professor invited a bio weapons defense expert to give the lecture. Afterwards someone asked him to imagine using his knowledge for evil and asked what infectious agent he would choose for a bioweapons attack. He thought about it a little. The answer: rabies. Almost 100% fatal once you develop symptoms, *extremely* infectious, can be made airborne and aerosolized and probably has been, and can lie dormant in the victim's body for years.
Frighteningly, he also told us (this was around 15 years ago), that the government was *very* alarmed when West Nile Virus was first detected in the US since the outbreak showed similarities to what would be expected from a bioterror attack.
Human to Human transmission of rabies is basically non-existant. Humans simply don't consider biting to be a reasonable first line of defense against anything. That's not to say it never or can't happen, but compared to, say, a dog, that might feel the urge to bite an animal (or human) several times a day, the risk factor for transmission is clearly less of an issue for human to human vectors compared to animal to human vectors. Further, our teeth are not as long as other animals, and so it is less likely a human bite would deposit a sufficient viral load into a bite victim's nervous system (the nervous system is the target of the rabies virus and it can only multiply in neuronal cells). Again, compare our mouths to a dog, it's clear a dog bite can deliver far more infectious material much deeper into a bite wound than a human bite is capable of.
This is all to say, I think a bio weapon would prefer an agent that enables human to human transmission to a larger degree than with rabies, since when a human gets infected with rabies, they do not go on to infect many (or any) other individuals.
@@SSJ0016 that's why making it airborne and aerosolized amps up the danger level to about 13. So that it can be transmitted *without* human to human contact. And if you don't think thst the US and the Soviet Union worked on that during the Cold War, you naive.
Not many people can terrify like a bio weapons expert…
Yup sounds right😔
@@SSJ0016 That's the thing. Unmodified, you're right, it's not ideal... However, It's part of a family of viruses (lyrssaviruses) that includes airborne-transmissible variants (AFAIK), and even going into another viral family for those genes isn't impossible.. You swap out the part of the genome that forms the lipid shell of the virion, and it'll survive in air droplets longer then it would have. It can also be alterned to allow the virus to multiply in the lungs as well to some extent, before getting into the nerves. The symptoms would be slightly different initially, and it would have a shorter incubation time for reasons that are above my understanding level, but the end result would be the same. All that's required are Time, a decent gene-lab, and an utter disregard for all mammalian life (not just humans).
And it doesn't mutate very rapidly, this is useful for a weapon because you want to ensure it doesn't cause casualties on your own side. Justin's story is not the only one I've read or heard. Given the first person who explained Rabies' usefulness for evil was a hobbyist (the sort of person who'd buy home CRISPR kits if they where a thing back then) I'd be very surprised if multiple variants aren't in labs. One of the problems with trying to protect against a hypothetical (as Justin here could explain way better then I, I'm sure) is that for things like vaccines, you have to make that thing... so yeah. It's probably around. and my heart goes out to the poor Level 4 SOBs who have to work with it.
(funny side-note. I met a biotech/immunology major/virologist minor who, after verifying that the first guy's guess that it'd work, proceeded to then tell me just how terrifying it would be. We would be utterly screwed.)
My Dad got rabies twice. Once from a stray cat we were feeding, and once from a random bat that just landed on his forehead and bit him. The cat was definitely rabid, foaming at the mouth and attacking about 7 different people in the neighborhood including my dad, who was bitten in the ankle. He got vaccinated for both bites. What's surprising is how hard the vaccine is to get though. We almost had to go all the way from Florida to New York for the first bite. Luckily, treatment was easier for the bat bite. I guess they prioritized that case more because he was bit in the head, meaning the incubation period would have been much quicker.
Bat bites are painless, so if you ever find blood pooling from some tiny fang marks anywhere on you. You should probably think about getting the rabies vaccine.
Rabies is very rare in many areas(thankfully).
The rarer the accident, the less reason for the hospital or even the state to stock any.
Your dad sounds dumb af feeding animals that had that instead of having them put down
@@truesoulghost2777 He didn't start feeding the cat AFTER it got rabies -_-
Well you were living in Florida, that was your problem right there.
@@truesoulghost2777 damn I lost some IQ points reeeding this 🤣
Louis pasteur has always been my role model , the guy was a saviour ,tho he lost his family and suffered countless tragic events he still followed his purpose and saved humanity
God, the fact that once symptoms start to show, you're already on a death clock... That shit is terrifying.
Not to mention, this is the closest thing we have to a real-life zombie virus.
When I was like 3 years old I got bitten in the face (and had a portion of my cheek tear off) by a cockier spaniel and my treatment was getting one rabies vaccine shot daily for 21 days in the bellybutton, also the minor surgery to fix my cheek. Definitely one of the worst and most painful memories in my life.
Yeah I hear those stomach shots are a very bad experience, but better than death.
I remembered hearing about how scary and painful the vaccination procedure was. As i got older I started to assume it was an overly exaggerated urban legend.
Brutal
@@joshriver75 I had the vaccination when I was younger I was too young to remember it though
I got bit by a doberman around age 8. Luckily my damage was low on the tearing type reconstruction needing thing-- I bent over to greet it as it was my dad's girlfriend's dog and I knew it, and it decided to chomp my head like an everlasting gobstopper. Had to have tooth wounds in my eyebrows stitched up, all the whole I kept howling for them to check the back of my head because that's where really hurt-- they ignored me on that part because it was hidden in hair and just gave me antibiotics but later x-rays showed that set of teeth chipped my skull. Wounds might not have been large, but 30 years later they still ache. Plus I definitely could never rock a buzzcut lol.
I should have gotten rabies shots but didn't. The dog had taken down a neighboring rancher's calf the week before and had in general been acting aggressively, and my dad went home from the hospital trip and shot it in the head without knowing they would need that part intact for a rabies check. Found out later that either my dad or his girlfriend had lied about it having had up to date rabies shots to spare me the ordeal... not sure risking me potentially dying horribly instead was really the ethical move there.
Yeah when I was a kid hearing about classmates getting a bunch of rabies shots to the stomach was nightmare fuel. Thankfully the current treatment is much, much better. When I had to get the modern shots in '06 and the nurse brought over a tray of needles and started making preemptive apologies, I was definitely freaking out -- but then the first one went in and I barely felt it which was a huge relief. The vaccine shots are the easiest injections I've ever had; one of them was so quick and painless that until I felt a slight lump on my arm the next day I half-believed the nurse hadn't even stuck me.
He should have told the story about that time doctors transplanted multiple organs into multiple people, from a man who unknowingly had rabies. He never told anyone he had been bitten by a bat, ended up in the hospital with some unknown neurological condition that caused him to go into a coma, and the family opted to donate his organs. All the transplant recipients started having similar symptoms, which is when it was determined they had all contracted rabies from the organ they received. Happened at Baylor hospital in Dallas, on the transplant unit I used to work on about 20 years ago.
Thats so tragic.
Oh wow I didn't know one of my favorite episodes from Scrubs was based on reality...
Very tragic situation for everyone involved :(
Same happened in Germany in 2004. Some people died due to unknown rabies but others, receiving organs from the same donor, were perfectly fine.
If I ever need another organ I'll choose not to
@@leoborn4013 seems like rabies hadn't infected some organs yet
Back in the 1990s my Aunt June was hospitalized for over a year in critical condition on life support before an Indian doctor recognized the symptoms as rabies. She was hospitalized for almost another year, but managed to recover and live a few more years. She was in one of the best university hospitals in the nation as well, and they were not up on the symptoms because cases are not common.
I just discovered your channel. So much knowledge compressed in only 15 minutes. Good job!
The coolest thing about Pasteur developing the rabies vaccine (other than the obvious benefit to humanity in general) is that he had to intuit the existence of viruses. This was only just after bacteria and other microorganisms were accepted as causing disease, but when they tried to isolate the cause of rabies they couldn’t find it. Viruses were too small to be filtered out using the methods they had at the time and none of the microscopes were powerful enough to see them anyway. Even though the exact nature of viruses wasn’t understood until much later, Pasteur was still able to develop a vaccine without ever being able to see his enemy
Yeah and just had to torture a lot of orphans.
@@melpomenesnightmare7291 I believe you are thinking of Jonas Salk, the creator of the first polio vaccine. With rabies carrying a 100% fatality rate once symptoms appear, Pasteur didn’t have to go looking for people willing to test his vaccine, they came to him
@@juliadagnall5816 They we’re desperate for anything to save their lives or the lives of their loved ones.
That's the thing I think a good number of people don't understand about rabies: it's not one of those "Well I feel fine, have no symptoms, why would I seek medical treatment?" things. That's just when you want to get treatment, because once you start showing symptoms, it's too late. It's already in your brain and you're on the clock.
I was bit by someone’s pet today. She said the dog had not had a rabies shot. Went to urgent care. They cleaned the wound and gave me instructions. They are going to watch the dog for 10 days. Is this normal protocol or should I worry? I have worked with animals for years and this is the first time I’ve ever been bitten. It’s a bad bite too.
@@tinastacey5839 that is normal protocol to quarantine and observe said animal, for any signs of rabies.
@@invaderhorizongreen8168 If I can expand on that a bit, the thinking is if the animal is infectious then it will display unmistakeable symptoms during a 10-day quarantine.
I believe you can start showing symptoms if you have already started the vaccines and still live though.
As long as you get your first vaccine within the first 3 days, I think you can be mildly symptomatic during treatment and live because, you were already being treated.
@@mebreevee1997 You can, however in almost every recorded case of that happening, the patient did suffer lifelong aftereffects, ranging from minor inconveniences to debilitating disabilities.
Simon, I have learned so much from you over the years. Thank you , I respect you just as I do the teachers and professors who have ment so much to the quality of my own life as well as that of others ❤.
I really like that you don’t rely on shocking pics! Makes it watchable.
I worked with Jeana Geise, what he didn't mention was the years she spent recovering, and relearning how to speak, walk, talk and function. She survived, travelled the world, married and had a family. She was the first known case to survive infection without a vaccine.
Cap
Thank you for writing about her. I remember when she was bit and how she made the news.
@@michaelpeters404 can I have the hat?
Sure you do lol
Sure you did... Sure 😂
There was a death from rabies in Utah in 2018 that apparently wasn't caused by a bite, but a lick. Gary Giles and his wife would regularly play with the bats that lived around their home, and they'd catch them by hand and feed them, and they never got bit. The theory - if indeed he was never bitten - is that he may have had a cut on a finger that was licked by an infected bat, and it went from its saliva to the victim's bloodstream. He was the first person to die from rabies in Utah in 74 years.
Sneaky little bastard this disease is... Sad when you can't be safe even when the animal that happens to carry it considers you its best friend.
@@TTFerdinand If you want to play with bats, please take a rabies arm shot at least.
@@patrickohooliganpl Or just wear gloves and things they cannot lick or bit through.
@@testerwulf3357 or both lmao. Don’t play with fire and be surprised when you get burned
@@cwill2127 lol who tf just casually plays with bats??
You sure as hell educated me. Thank you.
Can confirm that even just contact with a bat, with no visible bites or scratches, still results in a ton of rabies shots. Woke up with one on my head, in my hair (yeah that's a real thing, Hollywood didn't make that up apparently) in one of the worst nights I've ever had. Couldn't test the bat cuz I threw that lucky SOB outside without thinking about it, so yep.. bunch of shots for me!
I was on a fishing trip and my guide picked up a bat on a rock in the middle of day. Wanted to save it. Oh boy
How much $
Your hair is very bat-friendly!
Same here. Found a bat in my house in the middle of the night. We got microbats here in the UK and some of them do have rabies. My doctor was less than useless when I asked for after exposure prophylaxis (vaccine after the event), tried to fob me off with "the bat might not have had rabies" and "the bat might not have bitten you"!!! I ended up having to pay for the vaccine, cost a fortune. Four shots I think it was that I needed. Three weeks after the bat incident my doctor offered me the vaccine - I would have been dead by then if I hadn't had it privately!
Bats and hair can be like Velcro. Thankfully my experience with it was using heavy gloves to help untangle a bat from some of the hair in my tub, and not the stuff attached to my head, but their ability to get tangled in it is impressive.
My friend woke up with a bat in their room and a few bites on their legs, so they caught the bat to test them and turns out it has rabies! So my friend had to go through the extensive preventative treatments and survived just fine, and now they just joke about it.
How often does a joke about having a bat hair day come up?
He could have become Batman with mutation 😅
I feel sympathy for the bat, not for you or your failure friends.
@@coolboy5428 Imagine being this butthurt over a success story
Why does it seem to common in the comments for bats to just casually be inside places??
Superb factual presentation thanks
This man has got to be the most prolific host of RUclips there has ever been. He is in everything and I love it
The Milwaukee protocol was thought out by a medical genius. That took not only a significant knowledge and understanding of the virus, but also creative thinking. A small chance of survival is a fantastic success where no chance of survival existed.
I am wandering why they didn't also give imunoglobulins during it. It might have helped.
@@doraspoljar697 Immunoglobulins are used on patients who have reduced immune systems, or suffer from diseases where the immune system attacks the body instead of the infection. (Lupus for instance.)It doesn't work on people who have healthy immune systems, but are infected with deadly diseases.
@@Kari.F. than why is the first therapy a shot of imunoglobulins?
@@doraspoljar697 rabies has the bizarre quality of reducing the permeability of the blood brain barrier, which is why antibodies and antiviral drugs are ineffective once symptoms start. they can be used before the symptoms start as it has not reached the brain yet
@@nuip7936 I think he was refering to the usual treatment for rabies before symptoms which includes a shot of immunoglobulin along with rabies vaccine, since the person he is responding to said immunoglobulin is not given to rabies infected people with healthy immune systems.
Hope this hasn't been a video yet; but I think the history, rise, and prevalence of fentanyl would make a great addition to this channel.
I second that. I would definitely watch.
a true epidemic
@@k3digichaos For sure. I would love to hear the factual numbers given in the Simonverse style.
And then krokodil...
Agreed
Can't imagine being terrified of water then thrown in a pond.
12:39 For non-American audiences, a lot of the reason people refuse treatment in the US is due to the high cost of the vaccine. It is not $108 in the US: it's $4,000.
America's more fucked a kidnapped child
Most life-saving procedures are overpriced in the US. It's all about price gouging here. 🙄
i'm a vet student but have luckily never encountered a rabies case. the father of a former classmate of mine though, got infected and we were told that in his last moments, he hid in the corner of their house while using an umbrella as a shield to protect himself from the wind. absolutely terrifying disease.
😢
That's horrible. 😢
thank you for your service student veteran
@@noidontthinksolol Vet here means veterinarian, not veteran.
@@noidontthinksololbruh 😂
When the first report of the Milwaukee Protocol came out I was fresh out of medschool. I cried like a baby reading it. To actually see a single person saved from a disease with 100% mortality gives so much hope. Yeah, there is a looooong path ahead, but it was groundbreaking and amazing.
You got a good heart. I hope you save many ppl and stay blessed.
I remember hearing about it at the time. It was legitimately groundbreaking. Just like a miracle, but not really.
I heard of it. But she was vaccinated in past, as I remember
That feeling when you beat a level in a game you've been trying to beat all your life
Yeah 14% for the most fatal disease known to man is miraculous
When I was a kid, I remember seeing warning signs about rabies in the area and baits being spread. The drawings of rabid animals terrified me back then, but the campaigns were effective and terrestrial rabies is now eradicated in Germany. When it flared up some years ago in South Tyrol because of migrating animals, it didn't take long to get it back under control with baits. Rabies vaccination campaigns really are a cause that deserves funding to prevent all those cruel deaths.
Great video my domed friend.
Fun fact: Opossums aren't as likely to get rabies due to their lower body temperature. It does happen sometimes though.
Vet here. True, however, I have encountered rabid opossums in my dealings with local animal control.
Thanks I will add that to my very long list of fun facts about opossums. Got to admire a mammal that is barely evolved beyond reptiles (including intelligence; things are so mentally primitive their babies don't even play like other mammals, I know because I've raised bunches of roadkill mama orphaned ones), yet have such a long list of useful adaptations that they will surely outlive us, and maybe even rodents, ha.
It's unlikely to come across a rabid opossum, but it does happen. That being said, I still go out of my way to avoid them (especially the sneaky bugger that walks thru my backyard on trash nights).
Yup, possible but very rare in contrast to the myths about them.
They also eat alot of ticks if you live in an area where that is a problem. 🤷🏻♀️
I had a virology professor who did his post-doc on rabies...so naturally he had to get vaccinated for it. Apparently, if you've had the vaccine, you can get paid quite well to donate plasma, since it contains human rabies immunoglobulin, and his whole research group used that to fund some interesting sounding parties.
I'm AB neg
BRB
So why isn’t the rabies vaccine part of the usual immunisation package? Seems like it should be.
@@MissCaraMint From what I understand, the rabies vaccination course is a rough one. Weak enough to not kill you, sure, but not exactly a walk in the park. I think folks in professions with high animal contact will get it, like vets, but its not really something you do on a whim.
Another very creative way to make money without having to pay taxes over it😊 remembering this 😁
@@michelleburns4224 I think the older vaccines may have had slightly higher chance of side effects. I’ve had 4 rabies shots and it was like any other vaccine. Think I got like a tiny bruise once and that was it.
13:31 'many trappers were accidentally vaccinated against their will' idk why this is so funny😂
What a brilliant presenter Simon is .
In grade school they had a guy come in and tell us how important bats are and not to be afraid. He never mentioned how they can have rabies and even told us they don’t carry disease very often. When I found out about the girl who got rabies from a bat and how it was %100 fatal it freaked me out because I had been told by a “professional” that there was nothing to worry about.
Where I live ALL bat colonies carry rabies. We are taught in school to report all bat bites. There is a store of rabies vaccine that they drive to you within hours. Most painful thing I’ve ever experienced. Bitten on each hand. I did have the bat that bit me so they could test it. It was too young and was clean so I didn’t have to go through the rest of the injections.
@@Raiethstar it’s just so scary the more you learn about it. I’m so paranoid I would ask to get the treatment anyway.
Probably because many bats are under threat. If you come out in the evening and notice how many bats are flying around, you’ll understand why he said they’re harmless. If they were to bite us, we would have bites every year. Hardly anyone gets bitten.
@@stefanostokatlidis4861 I’m not saying I’m afraid of them coming and biting me. Just the fact that when you tell kids there is no reason to be afraid and they are harmless it can be bad if they find one. Like that girl that survived rabies’s. If I found a bat as a little kid on the ground I would try to catch it based on the info given to me at the time. If it bit me I wouldn’t say anything to my parents because I would have thought it wasn’t a big deal. Just another cut. It’s like if someone went to a school and told all the kids that rattle snakes are actually harmless and won’t hurt you. Then a bunch of kids shortly after would be hurt or worse because they see one and try to catch it. You can spread how important a animal is while still emphasizing how dangerous it can be to come into contact with.
We were taught never to go near bats especially during the day. When I was about 6 a group of 3-4 of us found a bat crawling in the dirt by the road. One just doesn't find bats out during the day on the ground. We went and got my mom and another lady and mom killed it. I don't know what they did with it after that. Oddly enough it wasn't until I was older that I found out it wasn't just bats that carried rabies.
We had a small, strange rabies outbreak here in germany a few decades back. So, some ppl got it, ofc. Now Docs were wondering where these ppl got it from, its not exactly common around here. Turns out they got it from an organ transplant. Apperantly organs can't be tested for it and the young lady died from a heart attack without any symptom of rabies. Just imagine that crap. You finally get that organ that is supposed to save your life, and all you get out of it is rabies.
there is actually an episode of scrubs (american sitcom) that covers this topic. a woman dies of an apparent overdose and her organs are a match for a few patients in the hospital. turns out she had rabies and they all die. kinda breaks one of the doctors.
In our german case we got 5 receivers, 2 died, 3 could get a rabies shot before they showed symptoms and are Ok as far as I am aware. As I understand it you can't cure it, but you can prevent it from breaking out. I'm no Doc, but I remember getting regular rabies shots as a child. It was more prevalent back when. In the mid to late 90s it was almost extinct, then it came back in the 00s. It's at a downward trend since 09, if i'm not completely mistaken. And yes, at some point I've invested far too much time in rabies "research" (I'm no scientist either). But it's kinda interesting to see how it drops to almost extinct and then comes back, again and again and again. Almost like someone or something is reintroducing it into the ecosystem. I still remember the rabies signs from being a wee little boy and the campaigns to inoculate the wild animals. That and chalking the woods to get rid of some tree killing bugs.
That's some final destination shit
@@RevJerusalem It's about bats who repeatedly reintroduce the rabies virus into the ecosystem. They are reservoir of this fatal disease.
How about the thousands of people infected with AIDS from blood transfusions?
i got bit when i was on holiday in south east asia immediately i went to the hospital told them they washed the bite and started with anti rabies injections i had to go back 4 days later to have another i was due to come home after the next one got back to England and they carried on with the treatment the worst part was having to have the needle put in and then basically dragged around the area of the bite.. so now hence when abroad i sstay well clear of dogs and cats..
When I was 5 I was mauled by a German Shepard. Received 127 stitches to my head and sewed my ear back on. This was 65 years ago and the only vaccine was two states away. My dad drove halfway to meet another guy driving the other half to deliver the vaccine to him to bring back for me. As it was such a serious head injury it was necessary to have it asap. Luckily I did not develop it but still had to take 16 shots.
As I understand, if you are bitten in the head, the rabies progresses too quickly for a vaccine to save you, because the incubation period, apparently, depends heavily on how far the location of the bite is from the brain, and you were bitten at the smallest distance possible. Given that you survived, is it possible that the dog that mauled you, was NOT rabid? Was the dog's rabidity positively confirmed?
@@gintasvilkelis2544 no the dog was not rabid but due to the head injuries they wanted to start it right away before tests even came back. That is what they did 65 years ago apparently.
@@denisestinnett4414 In that case, you got lucky not because you got vaccinated quickly, but because the dog was not rabid. Had the dog been rabid, there was a good chance that even immediate vaccination might not have been effective, due to the location of the bites. But certainly, the precaution was right - just in case it might make a difference.
@@gintasvilkelis2544 lucky is right 😎
HOW MANY???
I was in a US Navy school when a feral cat came out of the woods and bit me. I went to the local hospital and asked for a rabies shot. 1. You don't get it in the stomach any more but directly into the wound. 2. The shot was the most beautiful shade of lavender I've ever seen 3. I had to get the shot repeatedn in the emergency room once a week for maybe 6 (?) times . 4. The test work on the rabies shot was done in Iran . Since I've had the shot I'm now immune to all forms of rabies except monkeys in Thailand, 5 The Navy paid for the shot so I have no idea how much it cost.
I just vaccinated my dog a month ago to go abroad (I'm Swiss, we're not required to vaccinate dogs anymore, but if you want to enter France or Germany, your dog has to be vaccinated). From what I know, the vaccine is only legally valid for 3 years, but I don't know how long it technically protects dogs, and how that differs from humans, but I just thought you might want to look it up for yourself to not one day find yourself regretting having assumed it may be a permanent immunity.
No, he is immune through anti-bodies forming from the shot to help combat rabies. The thing is, rabies doesn’t evolve, it never changes, so when you’re exposed to it constantly with antibiotics and vaccine medicine assistance, your immune system will form anti-bodies to fight off rabies in the initial phase. That being said, immune or not, it’s always a good idea to be tested in case of what you contracted may be a new disease.
@@Unchainedful all living things mutate when they replicate. Rabies is no exception. If the mutation is beneficial or detrimental then natural selection is likely to occur. And if there is natural selection then evolution will occur.
For example, Rabies has developed distinct strains for different hosts.
It's fair to say since it kills 100% of humans, natural selection and evolution with regard to humans is unlikely.
@@macmcleod1188 Well..technically there are 6? known cases of rabbies survivors...so not exactly 100%,but close enough to be counted as such :D
@@NashmanNash those six survivors would have to have a lot of children who came to dominate the population for it to matter.
My grandfather (born early 1900s) told me about a man in his rural Colorado town that had contracted rabies. Said they chained him to a tree, and then a few townsfolks would stand guard around the clock, to keep children away from him. And that is how he died.
I've gone through rabies inoculation before after a bite. It used to be a very painful procedure. Aside of the immunoglobulin injection at the site of the wound (it was in my palm and wrist) it was pretty much painless. Definitely needs more widespread application across the world. I can see how it would be tough to implement in remote villages, but elsewhere it's barely an inconvenience.
0:40 - Chapter 1 - Symptoms
2:20 - Chapter 2 - Transmission
3:40 - Chapter 3 - Historic treatment
6:25 - Chapter 4 - Puppy pregnancy syndrome
7:20 - Chapter 5 - Vaccination
8:55 - Chapter 6 - Current treatments
11:25 - Chapter 7 - Affected areas
12:45 - Chapter 8 - Rabies control
Puppy what syndrome
Thank you thank you thank you. One of the unsung heroes. Every long video should have a post like this.
Thank you, i love you
@@vlcallmeprince-x6032 its exactly as strange as it sounds
Dad had told me the story of Rabies affecting one his uncle. He was bitten by fox and on being adviced to get the rabies treatment from local hospital, scoffed at the idea of getting the disease. He died screaming and barking like a dog.
Interesting as usual.
How many channels do you appear in by the way, seems to increase by the day.😀
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I remember when the young woman survived rabies here in Wisconsin. It was quite the event because we do have to be careful of bats, coyotes, and raccoons. Pet vaccines are required by law and TNR groups also vaccinate feral cats which helps.
We learned about her in our Virology class in Madison! They used a really interesting and novel method to treat her.
It was in Fond du Lac, right across the street from my house. I'm close friends with her brother. She has since recovered and has a child.
@@Jerm-Digs That is great to hear. I live in the Milwaukee area and the local news was giving daily updates. A lot of people were following the story. I thought she had twins, not "a child".
It was peer reviewed and dubbed the Milwaukee Protocol. A very interesting case indeed.
Oops, I commented before Simon got to that part in the video. I guess I could have watched it all the way through first, sorry y'all
From what I’ve read, two people have survived advanced rabies. One was a girl who for whatever reason managed to fight off the disease successfully after being locked in a dark room for several days. The other was a girl who was put into a medically induced coma by her doctor for the duration of the disease. Since dehydration is the main cause of death with rabies, the doctor figured he could keep her alive by anesthetizing her and administering fluids and food intravenously. He was right and she lived.
Dehydration is what kills people when they get Ebola-- It's not the death sentence that it's claimed to be as everyone who has gotten it and had access to clean water and staying hydrated have survived.
@@bringhomethebasil8729 BULLSHIT.
@@spaceghost8995 yeah. You lose so much water and electrolytes, and internal and external bleeding, plus the immune system going insane and nearly killing you. That's the most stupid thing to say that water would save you. Why then does it have a terrible mortality rate in devolped countries too? Just a stupid claim all around. Also your profile pic fits for this
@@bringhomethebasil8729 Do you not know what Ebola is or what it's symptoms are? That's like saying cancer can be cured with enough water!
@@bringhomethebasil8729 were you thinking of cholera?
Very interesting vid. Thanks
I work in an emergency room in Colorado. About a month ago we had a young couple coming in who lives in the Rockie Mountains. They had a bat come flying through their open window and get mangled by the ceiling fan. They were told to immediately check in to an ER and get vaccinated. Not sure if they ended up testing positive or not.
Rabies emphasizes the importance of vaccines. It's entirely preventable if vaccinated upon exposure.
Only three likes lol, don't push.
@@proudpureblood5073: 13 are more than zero, but that is obvious to people who take facts and scientific research into consideration unlike antivaxxers.
@@akumayoxiruma it’s a troll
@@akumayoxiruma don't be a moron! Rabies kills 100% of time and doesn't look at your age, how obese you are nor at your immune system.
@@akumayoxiruma difference is, the rabies vaccine is a sterilizing one, that means it sterilizes it in your body, and effectively kills it. The vaccine we're all talking about today doesn't sterilize, and cannot eradicate this virus.
That's not a slight difference, either.
I was attacked by a group of dogs in Thailand. I had already had my rabies vaccine, but I had to rush to the hospital and get another vaccine and get my wounds scraped down every couple days and go through the rabies shots. I think it was about four or five of them. No fun but better than being rabid
I narrowly avoided being attacked by a rabid dog in Thailand. The crazy thing is that it was so tiny - like chihuahua sized - that I didn't take it seriously until it had been chasing me for about 20 minutes. Highly aggresive, but kept beaking off and running in circles. Then the thing took off into the night. I roused the locals, but we never found it. I got attacked by wild dogs later, but not rabid thankfully and I managed to fend them off with my backpack. Gap years, everybody. Good times.
On talking about the Milwaukee Protocol, it's definitely the theory that the survivors might have had a weaker form of rabies. However, the doctor who originally came up with the protocol has also said that most of the other attempts at using the protocol didn't follow it exactly as he had written it, so there's also that to consider. It's hard to know since it's only been tried on so few cases. What I'd like to know is which cases followed the protocol correctly, and which ones didn't. The only one we know for sure is Jeanna, the first one. It's actually remarkable in and of itself that the very first try at this treatment worked.
About the Milwaukee Protocol --- I would definitely take the chance of that one. If you die, you are already in coma.
I have been living in Africa and have had both pre-infection vaccines and post-infection (or post "presumed" infection) treatment ... and I have seen a rabid dog attacking the fence of our dog yard ... it is a scary sight.
I was going outside to check my mail after dark when a bat dove out of a tree and collided with my head. I had a TINY sore spot where it hit, so I was pretty certain I'd been bitten or scratched. I went to the ER the very next morning and after the totally clueless doctor figured out there wasn't blood tests they could do, he called an expert and then gave me my first shot. They set up for me to get my other shots at a nearby cancer clinic....supposedly... Because when I went there at my next scheduled time for a shot, they claimed no record of any arrangement and tried to deny me treatment because i "looked healthy". Thankfully after my mom threw a fit at the owner of the clinic over the phone, I was able to continue getting the shots i needed.
Well that’s terrifying
@@rubinchavarria7173 W mom.
The only thing scarier and more Tragic than Terminal illness is Human Incompetence that leads to preventable tragedies happening anyway.
how the fuck have doctors managed to start doing medical discrimination against able-bodied people now 😭 nobodys safe
A lot of doctors are clueless, I think my parents trust doctors too much. Just because they’re a doctor doesn’t mean they’re right. The care you get is based on what they know or how they perceive things. You did the right thing, it’s better safe than sorry. Never let some braindead “doctor” tell you otherwise since you “look healthy”
Took an animal sciences course and learned about zoonotic diseases(illness passed from animals to people or vise versa) and rabies was an entire 2.5 hour class course and it was the most genuinely terrifying thing I've ever heard of to this day. It's so scary, especially how they deal with people who show symptoms. They basically lock them in a room, tie em down, turn off the lights and wait for them to die. It's creepy
compared to that, milwaukee protocal is ideal. you might actually be able to die with little to no suffering
I saw a video awhile back, it was in India or some place like that and the adult son had to put his rabies infected father in the locked ward at some hospital. The father kept crying and shouting asking his son to let him out, he didn't know why he was there tied up, etc. So sad and heartbreaking 😢
If I was infected with rabies, I would probably kill myself with an overdose of NO2
What? No induced coma? That's a bit cold.
Was any debate allowed with objectors? Were you able to attack their ideology at its foundations? From what I have seen, most college grads just repeat everything they were told while in academia in order to get a good paying job.
In my country we have yearly mandatory dog vaccination for rabies. There is also food pellets with vaccine being dropped from planes to vaccinate wild animals.
What country please?
@@rayellebishop8168 Slovakia
Thanks for info.!
I watched a video about the girl who they put into a coma to survive rabies. She was NOT the same person afterwards. She may have survived, but the amount of brain damage suffered essentially made her handicapped for life.
Pasteur was really one of the greatest humanity's benefactors, his creations helped to save countless lives.
I mean he was the real superhero.
His accomplishments and dedication put him on the top of my list of good people.
He was one of the greatest heroes in human history.
@@leezard7696 No no, that's Edward Jenner. He's the one who made the first vaccine without knowing what viruses are. Louis Pasteur is the one who actually discovered microbes as he was trying to find out the cause for sour wine and invented pasteurisation. He didn't know when he discovered microbes they could cause disease though, it was Robert Koch who figured that one out and he also made several vaccines.
Legends say the rabies virus dies when bitten by Louis Pasteur
Can you get rabies if a cat licked a water bowel out in the open which you touched and like 30 second later touched your face with the hand?
Also it did jump on my pants and like walked on it. I didn’t see any scratches or anything but can that give rabies?
The cat didn’t seem to have any sign of rabies and approached me being friendly but I didn’t touch it with my hands but I did touch the water bowl and it did jump on my pants.
Also it was in a very public area. It also did drink the water we gave then it went away.
10:20 Wow, that's really clever. It's like one of those ideas you hear and you say _"That's so crazy it just might work!"_
Read few times about this virus.
After watching this video, I have found out how this thing is called in my language.
Then I realized that my father took me immediately to a hospital after a dog bite me when I was 7-8 and I took a shot.
I was wondering for a long time what the reason for his panicking was, now I have realized.
What bothers me is the fact that nobody stressed this out in the course of my obligatory education - not a single lesson about this thing.
So, basically the type of people who say "it is just a minor wound, it will heal itself" potentially could die because of the fact that they are not informed about this.
"So, basically the type of people who say "it is just a minor wound, it will heal itself" potentially could die because of the fact that they are not informed about this."
Dosent that depnd on WHERE you are tho? My country is one of the rabies free ones so I find saying that here ok
rabies free means not yet, any time an animal, like a bat could just fly into your country
@@chestnut4860 you could always be the first case
If it was just one shot, it may not have been rabies. I think it's always a series of shots.
@@RockandRollWoman it is a series of about 10 shots. This person probably got a TDAP. Or, possibly an antibiotic.
It’s also interesting to know that even with the Milwaukee Protocol, the majority of the few survivors from the disease have continued on living with some sort of physiological damage. Just shows how dangerous rabies is.
Didn't know I needed British Michael Stevens to teach me about rabies today. Great video, surprised how much I didn't know about rabies.
Life, 100% fatal, no survivors.
At least life is not as miserable as rabies is. It's full of happiness, brightness and warmth instead of rabies' aggression, despair and fear.
As someone who got the rabies vaccine after getting bit by a racoon as a child, let me say the first set of injections are the most painful injections I've ever gotten. No other injection has topped it and I hope to never have to get it again lol
That was old skool vaccine,modern vaccine is no pain at all biting by a baby more painfull that rabies vaccine
Same here. I got bitten by the dog we adopted when we tried to break out of the fight with my other dog. It is definitely the most painful injection I've ever gotten especially in the area of the wound. Never have I been so close to fainting in my entire life.
So true and you have to come back the next 3 days for the next dose. And it hurts even more cause they stab you in the same spot ☠️
I too heard that from someone else. And to think children have to go through that pain makes me very angry at the Indian govt for failing to take action even after a stray dog bites many people.
@@ThrustersX
How is the rabies vaccine different then other vaccines just carious.
The Jeanne Gesie case is an incredible but sad one. Whilst she survived, she suffered irreparable damage to her brain following induced coma. Her parents stated that they were grateful that he daughter had survived but felt that they had lost who they knew
Is she still alive? What damages occured in her brain? :((
@@HORIZONNNN Alive and well: ruclips.net/video/KUbfrgy9LuA/видео.html
@@HORIZONNNN She is alive. She has her baccalaureate, is married, and has children. As I understand it, since I almost never use audio on RUclips, she has been left with a slight speech impediment as a result of her trials.
Man, I live in Wisconsin and when the girl got rabies and survived the ordeal. Had a friend who went to her school and actually knew her. Yet, the only reason I know what the symptoms are for it is because of the new Beavis and Butthead episodes where Beavis gets it. The symptoms seemed completely fabricated in the episode, so I looked up if they were true....they are. Thanks for somehow providing me with an educational experience, Mike Judge. lol
I can still remember when rabies shots were administered in the stomach muscles. I never really knew why, but it seemed like the most horrific part of the procedure to me. I can still remember my brother screaming from the pain of those injections, and that was nearly 60 yrs ago.
Marty, before reading the comments i really thought those were still admistered that way . i guess i am getting old
As former Veterinary Technician I was vaccinated for Rabies. Vaccinating pets is our first line of defense! I was at risk because of frequent contact with feral animals and pets with irresponsible owners. Vaccinate those you are responsible for!!!
I won’t and don’t
@@loganthesaint Antivaxxers don't think they are serial killers because they are not the ones who kill.
@@loganthesaint ok and? you can't be dumb enough to be unaware that rabies can and will kill your pet once they're exposed.
bless the poor animals under your care
@@loganthesaint The only thing worse than rabies is antivaxxers. At least Rabies doesn't hide the fact that it's deadly and vile.
@@loganthesaint there are reasons to not get the covid vaccine, but Rabies is an entirely different thing.
Very educational.
I was bit by a dog on my neck. More of a scratch, but there was blood. I took immediate action with pure alcohol. It's been 3 or 4 years since. Best advice is to clean the wound or scratch with clean alcohol as soon as possible.
I love how Simon handles these topics with a serious and also morbidly humorous tone. It’s the best way to learn about these dark topics.
Thanks :)
It is an excellent and consistent balance of the appropriate seriousness and just the right amount and type of dark humor to help get through it easier without minimizing or mocking the subject matter.
With so much of the dark humor these days being, for lack of a better term, incredibly juvenile, it's always nice to see someone who still understands how to do it with skill and tact.
The Brits have mastered morbid humor
I like how he doesn't do his research very well, and people like you eat up misinformation only based on tone of voice
@@brandenharder6378 care to elaborate?
Ugh. I had to go through the series of shots after being bitten by a feral cat. The first shot went into the area where I was bitten. I was bitten on my thumb. Miserable. Turned out the cat didn't end up being infected. We were on vacation, I had to make arrangements with local hospitals all along our trip, across Nebraska. So much fun, not. Thanks for the miserable flashbacks, Simon.
Same here; got attacked by pit bulls while out jogging the day before Thanksgiving. I was also out of town so had to arrange shots at different hospitals. Never heard if the dogs were infected but wasn’t going to wait to find out.
If you want to make your miserable flashbacks seem like a pleasant memory by comparison, you might look up a video of a Russian man with rabies who allowed himself to be filmed and interviewed in the hospital up to his death.
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@@mrmagoo.3678 couple months ago two coworkers of mine were attacked by a fox. Since foxes are usually shy and wouldn't be in active parking lot like that, let alone attacked multiple times by a fox with every opportunity to flee...ya, they got vaccines.
@@LonersGuide oh yeah, my guy, I have seen the videos out there. Totally gruesome and gut wrenching. I was just inconvenienced in the end. The kitten was observed for 2 weeks, she was cleaned up and became a total ferocious sweetheart. We couldn't adopt her, but one of the vet techs adopted her, and asked me if I wanted to name her. I had been calling her Flipa the whole time (Fucking LIttle PissAnt). I don't think they went with that name🤣
I think i had RabiePhobia