That's probably right. He's in the NBA hall of fame but only had one move that other NBA players couldn't figure out. But you would have blocked the shit out of him. Good, thoughtful analysis.
The reason NBA defenders kept letting him "lay the ball in" is because McHale also had a sick jumper, and they had to respect that when defending him. If his jumper was awful, he wouldn't fool anybody.
ZhangtheGreat Well stated. Mchale’s fade away jumper was smooth and accurate. And with those arms as long as stilts, exceptionally difficult to stop that agile ade away.
Olajuwon?? He was good, but his low post was usually that fade away jump shot. Big game James Worthy had the best post moves easily. Mchale had a 7 foot 4 inch wingspan. Worthy was 6'9 with a 7 foot span, but was the fastest first step maybe ever. Young people need to see James Worthy video here on You Tube. Him and Magic were silk. Worthy used to eat Boston up.
Yeah That's my era. Actually a little after. He was always one of my favorite's Phi Slama Jamma, McHale had the best post moves in those days. Hakeem came a couple years later with Ewing. When Houston went to the finals against Boston, McHale did his thing. Houston was the twin towers, but Boston dominated the inside. Hakeem's #1 shot was is his 15 foot fade away. Of course he had great post moves. He was 6'10 maybe 6'9 in his socks. He relied on his jumping ability and Athleticism. But to put him even in the top 5 centers is crazy.
I looked at the Box score on Goggle just now, for Boston Houston final. Remember Parrish is old. Anyway, it went 6 games McHale avg 29 points. Hakeem 19 points. Hakeem guarded McHale. Sampson guarded Parrish. Some minutes went to an old Bill Walton that came out of retirement. That should say something.
I never realized how good this guy was until recently. He was excellent on the defensive end as well. Career averages: 17.9 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 1.7 BPG, .554 FG, .798 FT. Very underrated
Career averages are really unrepresentative of both bird and mchale. "McHale was never better than the 1986-1987 season, setting career highs in scoring (26.1) and rebounding (9.9). He also became the first player in NBA history to shoot sixty percent or better from the field (60.4%) and eighty percent or better from the free throw line (83.6%) in the same season. McHale was named to the All-NBA First Team, was named the NBA's best defensive player by the league's coaches, and finished fourth in the Most Valuable Player voting behind Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, and Larry Bird." at his peak he was amazing. the broken foot really diminished him.
Kind of surprised anyone would say McHale is underrated. He is typically touted as the greatest power forward of all time when it comes to low post moves. He was named to the league's 50 greatest players list ever in 1996, despite coming off the bench for 5 years (he started less than 80 of his first 400 games, due to the great depth of the Celtics). This shows that his peers, the coaches of his era, and the media all recognize his greatness to look past his time as a 6th man. Despite playing less than 30 mpg early in his career, McHale blocked almost 600 shots in his first 3 seasons. He is top-10 all-time in FG% and he is of course in the Hall of Fame. Charles Barkley called him "the best player I played against because he was unstoppable offensively, and he gave me nightmares on defense."
John Dayton among younger people he's way underrated, or those who look at just his career scoring average and know nothing about his injuries, his incredible shooting percentages, his 55 point game and how he was universally considered the premier PF of his time, how he guarded all 3 front court positions. Karl Malone was great and amazingly durable, but peak vs peak McHale was better, he was on balanced teams that spread the ball around so never had gaudy averages. And his peak was the absolute golden age of the NBA. His 87 season is about as good as you can have as a PF, but when your fellow 1st team all NBAers are Bird, Magic, Jordan and Hakeem it's tough not to be a bit overlooked!! Bonus points for two awesome Cheers appearances!!
MrFraiche not true. He had hooks, double up and under step throughs, pump fakes, baseline spin move dunks. Fuck outta here saying he just mastered "two moves"
actually Mccale had about 20 moves, I'm a 80's Lakers fan, and he drove me crazy. Unstoppable. They always talked about Bird, but this guy was always good in the big games.
Not one shot out of 8 ft - because he's unstoppable inside 8 ft. Not one dunk - because he didn't need to. Same moves over and over - because they worked. Best part is - he makes it look easy! Sign of a great player.
True. Though it also helps if that player is 6'10 with LONG arms, like McHale. Greatest assortment of moves and fakes of any low-post player, that's for sure.
Legend. McHale was very cerebral too; he did so many technical things like a push or shove at just the right time to gain position or cause the defender to be a step slower. He was a fierce competitor, imposed his will, hard-nosed, could get under the opponent's skin. He knew how to change the momentum of the game and grind it for a needed basket. McHale could play on any all-time team. Player's like McHale transcend skill and athleticism; they find ways to win. They're great at adjusting, finding weaknesses and exploiting them.
kids be like: how can they not defend this? or did they study him at all?? remember: what you see here is perfection of post moves. no matter how study this, you can't defend Mchale. it will only lead to you overthinking what is he gonna do. he is 8ft from the rim, when he pump fake and you react, it's over. when he fakes and you dont react, it's also over. that's it. he perfected it so much that it messes your mind just thinking how are you gonna defend it. plus his height is a factor.. he is 6'11" and he is 8ft from the rim.. highly efficient shots.
Yep exactly. The key to having the perfect post moves is to always have a counter move. Throw that up fake and if they don't bit on it then you should have a go to move to use in case they don't bite.
McHale was one-of-a-kind. He was one of the three most advanced great college big men of all time. Bill Walton and Tim Duncan were the other two. I couldn't believe it when the Celtics drafted him. To get Larry Bird AND Kevin McHale was unbelievable good fortune.
Those two years Auerbach probably made the most masterful GM moves of all time. First drafting Bird with the #6 pick knowing he was going to stay in school another season and risking that he would sign after his college season ended and before the next draft. Then, holding the #1 draft pick and knowing that Golden State with the third pick really wanted Joe Barry Carroll and Utah wanted Darrell Griffith (Dr Dunkenstein). Auerbach acted like he thought the world of Carroll, even though he thought he was a stiff. So, he talked Golden State into trading Robert Parrish to the Celtics, in return for swapping their draft pick. GS took Joe Barely Cares and the Celtics took the player they really wanted, Kevin McHale with the 3rd pick.
This guy isn't in McHale or Hakeem's class. But remember Al Jefferson? He had an old style, big man's back to the basket game in the paint. He was very effective for several years. He usually averaged between 17 to 20 a game. Just saying he had a somewhat similar style to Hakeem and McHale in how he produced.
As a lifelong Sixers fan, I've always known how good Kevin McHale was. He was practically indefensible in the low block. I'm sure Celtics fans recall how good Andrew Toney was.
I'm 52 I never saw anyone use this but Kev at least not the way or as much as he did. Kev was a beast down low! I hate this new 3pt shooting big man NBA,yo get back to power ball! Timmy D and KG are gone we still have Brook Lopez, Marc Gasol, but the post game is leaving us...and for all you critics I know yes Marc shoots threes but he added that recently...
mookeychase0907 It seems like most post scorers in the NBA right now can shoot 3s. Marc Gasol, Nikola Jokic, and Brook Lopez added his last year and has been deadly
McHale was NBA all-defensive 1st team three times, all-defensive 2nd team three times. One of the greatest post defenders of all time. Great on both ends of the floor.
McHale shows you the ball ,you bite, he goes under ,if you are good enough to guard the second move ,McHale rolls the other way ,you still look stupid. McHale never got the credit he deserved ,one of the best post players of all time.
I meant,he averaged over 26 points one season,in 1986-87,and had 5 consecutive +20 seasons,from 85-86 till 89-90,he almost done it in 1984-85 season,with 19,8 per game.
Saw a great quote from McHale on TV. People were talking about how "Everyone was afraid of Jordan" and he looked genuinely surprised and said, "I wasn't."
With all the comments, I'm sure someone pointed this out, but It bears repeating. The last seconds of this video you hear the voice of Celtic great Bill Russell (one of the t.v. cast crew) saying "trying to hold McHale, when he's posting up, is like trying to hold water in your hand." To a defender, it must have seemed like he was facing a whirling dervish octopus with all those quick multiple moves in succession. Just like Jabbars sky hook, no one has perfectly copied McHales post moves, maybe because they cannot be just copied mechanically, but must have the fluidity that made those men so great.
Christopher Fern True, and the excellent, agile moves of Mchale was only part of the problem for defenders, this video reminded me of how precise his fade away jumper was. You had me laughing, how often do you hear the phrase: whirling dervish octopus. - Oh, man LOL
It seems like everyone looks at the McHales and Olajuwons of yesteryear and think, "if only Ibaka or Howard learned those moves, they would be unstoppable down low". In reality, those moves and the footwork involved actually aren't that hard to learn. Howard spent a several days with Olajuwon and paid a princely sum to learn those moves, and was able demonstrate his prowess with them to a degree. Yet, he still looks rather stiff and uncoordinated (though stats say he's exceptional down low. In the end, pretty moves aren't the end-all-be-all of low post effectiveness, but rather just putting the ball in the basket). IMO, most fluid big men can learn the footwork and countermoves and have them down pat, but still won't be able to pull them off reliably in-game. Why? Shooting. Don't just look at McHale's defenders biting on his fakes, but think about why they bite on those fakes. The reason they bite on the fakes is that both McHale and Olajuwon were incredible shooters down low. McHale, especially, was totally automatic with either a righty jump hook, righty turnaround jumper, or righty fadeaway jumper (he never used his left hand, but it obviosuly didn't matter). Because of how well McHale could shoot in the low post, his defenders really had no choice but to respect his fakes and bite on them even though they were well aware that those fakes were coming. Based on that, if I were to teach a big man these moves, I would first teach him to shoot hooks, turnaround jumpers, and fadeaway jumpers, and then have him practice those shots against a defender until each of them becomes automatic. Afterwards, the footwork, fakes, and countermoves will all fall in pretty easily because his defender will have no choice but to respect them. Were you to teach a big man the footwork and countermoves without teaching him how to shoot first, the big man might be able trick his defender once or twice with those moves. But eventually, his defender will realize the big man can't shoot. The defender will then allow the big man to shoot (and mostly miss) his hooks and turnaround jumpers, or stay planted to the ground while the big man fruitlessly attempts his pump fakes. The reason why Dwight Howard doesn't look like Hakeem isn't that he doesn't have the moves, but rather because he can't really shoot. He just doesn't have the touch, as we can see from his stiff running hooks and terrible free throw shooting. After learning from Hakeem, Amar'e Stoudemire is actually respected in the low post because of his shooting ability down low combined with those post moves. Too bad his knees have betrayed him just as he finally learned those moves. Can Serge Ibaka with his sweet mid-range shot and free throw shooting learn these moves? First, he needs to learn to shoot reliably in the low post first with hooks, turnaround jumpers, and fadeaway jumpers. Then, after he learns the footwork, fakes, and countermoves, I say why not? You also have to be stronger and more willing to take punishment to play in the low post nowadays because with the post-Shaq rules, low post defenders are now allowed to beat the crap out of low post players. Before Shaq, the rules were more stringent and allowed big men to catch the ball relatively unmolested in the low post.
Best informed comment I have read in a long time. Great fakes only work when the defender has no choice but to respect them. I get tired of all those analysts saying that Dwight Howard & Company should learn from Olajuwon and Mc Hale playbook. Of course, they had exceptional footwork at their size, but all those moves relied on the fact that if you let them shoot, even when sitting in their face, they would drain it on you almost every single time. Not many big men in the game today have that efficiency.
urbananalrapist Wade's not a great shooter and they still eat his fakes. It has to do with selling the fake and then being fluid in to your next move. McHale already knew before you left your feet he was going by you, same as Wade.
jcash78 The more I learn about the game, the more I appreciate both aspects of the game. Being able to make a shot at any point and any position is important to sell the fakes, but the actual footwork, body positioning, fluid moves, and shimmies are also highly important in getting open shots, or going from a good shot to a better shot. The point is that both aspects are important in selling the fake. Wade may not be a great shooter, but he's clearly a good enough shooter to get his defenders to respect his fakes. He also has a multitude of finishes close to the basket (floaters, bankers, bank shots) that he can make at a good clip. There's a reason that his defenders contest his shots from midrange inward. Contrast that with, say, Rondo, Rubio, and other players with awful jump shots, and why they're often left wide open even from the midrange. OR, contrast it with a big man who can't finish consistently near the basket with jumpers, push shots, or hook shots. See why they can't sell their fakes: it's not just due to their lack of good footwork/fluid moves (though that doesn't help, certainly).
urbananalrapist you are right. Kobe said it best when he said players today are more concerned with being famous than actually perfecting their craft. Bird, Magic and them were perfectionists. McHale was a technician. Jordan worked relentlessly to develop his jump shot and fade away. Kareem had the unblockable shot. Players today could learn these moves but they choose not to. Instead relying solely on athletic ability. When LeBron was in Miami he developed a decent post game but since he went back to Cleveland he doesn't work on it as much anymore. You look at Dwight Howard and what he could do if he developed a decent post game or hook shot or fade away. But he chose not to so now nobody cares about Dwight Howard. LOL
Well, Dwight Howard's "stunted" post game isn't due to his choosing not to develop his post game. After all, he loves posting up. So much so that he actively (or passive aggressively) gripes about his lack of post touches (where he is somewhat effective) instead of concentrating on his PNR game (where he is devastating). Also, he was the first player to do the Hakeem The Dream skills camp, so you can't say he isn't interested in developing his post game. From what I've seen, he has pretty good technique (if a bit mechanical), nice quickness, and reasonably slick footwork. So his moves/fluidity is not bad. His downfall is his jump shot, hook shot, and general touch around the basket. As it is, he's an automatic 15-20 PPG scorer even with his lousy-mediocre touch and shooting. But if he had good touch & free throw shooting, he would be a 25+ PPG scorer easily. The same goes for younger PNR monsters who are horrid free throw shooters & jump shooters. Though neither Andre Drummond or DeAndre Jordan have the scoring ability of Dwight Howard, they would definitely improve to 15-20 PPG levels if they had better touch. In other words, Drummond and Jordan with a decent jumper would be like Alonzo Mourning. Monster rebounder and defender, not many offensive moves, but possessing a decent jump shot, free throw shooting, and quickness to get by slower defenders. Howard with a decent jump shot is a level or two higher than that IMO.
He'd be a freak. Just about anyone who started in the '80s would be a freak today. Their skill level, basketball IQ, toughness, stamina, and focus were magnitudes ahead of what it is now. Chalk it up to everyone trying to recruit athleticism instead of skill - trying to find the next Jordan - changing the culture of basketball to shit.
Merl Ball toughness? Maybe. Skill? No way. Players now are MUCH more skilled then they were in the 80s. Maybe these guys had a better post game, but that’s what happens when there are freak of nature athletes like Rudy Gobert and Giannis Antetokounmpo guarding the rim.
+GerMart I think a lot of that plays on the whole "Celtics had a bunch of white guys" rep. Not saying that was what was being brought up but there's often some underlying stereotypes being thrown out. Also, Ainge was also athletic enough to play in the MLB before going to the NBA, as well as a scratch golfer and tough/strong enough to tackle 7'2 Tree Rollins to the ground!
I'm not sure if anyone can honestly watch McHale and claim he wasn't athletic. Someone who isn't athletic can't pull off ten moves and fool defenders consistently.
McHale played a game that seems so easy, but is predicated on the ability to read and react to what the defense is giving you that few players are able to attain. He had multiple moves and combinations that he would use based on how the defender was positioned. That's not athleticism- Which he had, by the way- That's intelligence.
He would do all this in traffic. Can you imagine him now with the spacing that exists because everyone shooting three's. He'd be killing it down in the post.
Old school ball was all about the post and repost. I get sick of seeing the modern guards jack up a bad shot when the initial post wasn't there. Take your time and get the ball back down low. The big man is your friend.
Yeah he was truly one of the best, his post up moves were just amazing, very few could guard him one on one, i was lucky enough to get his autograph, my father and i went to a game when i was 11, after the game all the players were driving out of the garage from the Garden, that is a great memory i will never forget.
The great thing about McHale's offense is that he knew he was a low post player and stuck to being a low post player. He shot very few 3s and had years he didn't take any 3s. McHale knew his game was the low post and stuck to the low post. That's why he led the NBA in FG% in 1987 and 1988 in back to back years shooting .604 each time.
The best post player ever when it comes to footwork. And to show how great he really was, he developed a 3-point shot towards the end of his career. In the 91 Playoffs, he was 6 of 11 from beyond the arc.
Damn Mchale was deadly in that post. That up and under was unstoppable. But the he would hit you with the jump hook, underhand reverse layup and the fade away jumper! No way to guard that! Just hope he misses a few!
amazing footwork. had a counter to every counter- big men with long arms aren't meant to move that well. hakeem learnt a lot of his moves from mchale. what a frontline- to put it in perspective- they had the best scoring 3, the best post 4, and the best defensive 5. thats like a frontline of dirk, duncan and dwight today- playing together. i know it sounds funny- but thats how good they were in terms of respective ranking in the nba. the 3 of them made like 10 all star games in a row together and went to 5 finals, and won 3 of them. they d have won many more if it were not for the equally great team on the other coast.
What a great video! Probably the most dominant post player in the history of the game. Tim Duncan is the only one of this era where I can sit back and say he finishes from the low post as well as Kevin Mchale did
Willy E It's hard to say just how dominant he was seeing as the storyline is that he wasn't even the best player on his team. Shaq, Hakeem, Timmy and Charles Barkley were more dominant players all around, but certainly the two most beautiful post games I've ever watched based off of video belong to Hakeem and Kevin Mchale.
Kevin's moves are so slippery slick it's as if he's made of rubber an greased with butter!!! You couldn't try ta stop Kevin only pray he missed sometimes!! Da man!! The low post was graced by em!!!! Those were the great old dayz of bein the Celtic fan I am!!! Boy do I miss!!! GO C'S....be good!!
This is exactly what I was looking for. Kevin McHale post moves beating double-teams. I'm surprised that there's no one currently in the NBA practicing these moves.
yukguy1 I know what you mean but what you're basically seeing is the game shifting from the dominant low post of the 90s to today's mid and perimeter dominant game. One obvious reason is because we have less superstar centers than we did in the 90s. So we get less McHale, Ewing, Shaq, post play and we get more 3-point and driving/penetrating play. T.Duncan developed more mid game to his attacking the basket and Durant is more than happy to beat a defender at the perimeter for a drive through the lane. Today's player has excellent ball handling skills. However, many of McHale's moves are being used all over today's nba. After all, McHale had most of the classic repertoire at his disposal: left and right post spin and with counter, a hook, a jump and fade, and he could turn to face the basket from the post for finger-roll and floater shots. The post spin with counter is extremely popular and it's been used throughout the years. When Mchale is posting and then he spins on the defender, when he finishes the spin he dips back in the other direction, often kind of dipping under the defender's side, usually toward the hoop for a layup or high-percentage shot. This video shows him doing it all the time lol. It's a great move.
I was a kid growing up in Detroit in the 80's hating the Celtics. But for all you youngsters out there. McHale is the greatest low post player of all time. He had every move in the book and then some. He was completely unstoppable in the post.
both McHale and Hakeem are deadly. the only difference is that Hakeem's moves are more flashy. McHale's are more fundamental. on the otherhand, I would tip my hat to McHale since he could fake the hell out of 2-3 players guarding him. Hakeem though struggles with double teams but is great on 1 on 1 coverage.
Yup. Wasn't much for passing and used his right hand 90% of the time yet still would score 55-60% of his baskets without jumping over 5 inches. Not that he couldn't jump, but he saved it for blocking shots and playing defense. He was a freaking beast before his foot slowed him down.
im glad you starting showing them fall aways at 4:30. thats why his up and under was so lethal. when he came in the league all he shot was that fadeaway. when he added that counter move it took him from sixth man to all time great
Mick A Only thing is you're undervaluing Shaq's skills. If every large 7 footer could get that close to the rim and finish as well as Shaq could, they would do it every time. The reality though is that they can't because even Shaq had basic footwork that allowed him to get the positioning he needed to use his strength.
I would say because Dwight is a specimen. He is bigger and could jump higher than everyone since middle school id bet so he never had to rely on fundamentals. Now that he is pushing 30 it is obvious that he can't jump as high and he lacks the fundamental skill in the post offensively.
It was always so much fun to watch this guy play! It was so much fun watching him get the ball in the low post and just eat people alive. The repertoire of moves he had just seemed endless. I often thought that if he had played on a team where he was the main go to guy, he might have won the MVP award.
not my favorite player but my oh my, I really learned a lot from this guy. I'm old and past my peak now and lost a lot of step, bounce, and speed. but these moves really made me a bit competitive even at this age playing against young ones half my age. you can just imagine how many of these kids I schooled and draw a lot of awe's and scoring easily without forcing.
Kevin McHale basically used basic and fundamental post moves to score the basketball. The low post moves and the low post game has become a lost art in today's game. Hopefully one day the post game will make a significant comeback in the NBA. Chicago Bulls nation for life!!! Chicago Cubs nation for life!!! Chicago Bears nation for life!!!!!
Just get buckets young blood! McHale was a beast in the paint.....and not one dunk. All the moves in the book. Dont see big men currently in the NBA with skills like that
If you need any more evidence of how great a player Tim Duncan was, recognize that he regularly studied McHale’s post moves and footwork. Only a true great can study another great and perform at that high level. Another example is Kobe Bryant emulating Jordan’s fade-away jumper and overall game.
If you were a kid growing up in Boston in the early 80s with any height whatsoever you were basically a Kevin McHale wannabe when you got the ball in the paint. The up and under is absolutely unstoppable and he had nights where he stayed hot all night and torched the opposing defenders for the whole game. Awesome.
By far the best up and under player in the history of the game. He had all the moves too. The hook shot, the turn around jump shot, the finger roll, ball fakes, shot fakes. You can easily make an argument for him being top 5, maybe even #2 all time for pure post player moves. #1 being Hakeem the Dream.
Mchale was so good, you can talk about being an all around player all you want, but bottomline is you got to put the ball in the hole. Mchale was a much better second option than Pippen was.
As an offensive player down low no question. But pippen was in my opinion one of the greatest defenders to ever live. He was better than Jordan defensively.
How can RUclips watchers be so dense? It's obvious the up and under works because you have to respect his other moves. Also, he used about 5-6 different up and under finishes. Incredible
I tell many of the young kids I coach that if they ever want to model someone’s post game...they better go look at Kevin McHale. Hard to say it as a long-time Laker fan but you gotta call a spade-a-spade! The best low post moves in history.
Mchale has a smooth up and under and as someone who also uses it a lot in his repertoire, I can tell you the up and under is extremely effective when the ball fake is believable, and Mchale shows the ball on the ball fake. He also makes quick decisions when he touches the ball in the post,and defenders struggle to guard that. Fluid footwork, quick decisions, and a great feel for the game. No wonder chuck talks him up... Lol I still put hakeem ahead of him though.
Because Shaq was so big, we take him out of these conversations. For Shaq to be as dominant as he was, he needed incredible footwork. The dude didn't even have to use his left hand, thats how dominant his finishing ability was with his right. These Mchale highlights are awesome, and I love seeing white guys do incredible stuff on the basketball court (ie Pistol Pete, Jason Williams, Steve Nash). But these comments gotta stop, people love their fan-bases and forget about everyone else.
This guy was doubled so much and its still "barbeque chicken" down there. To everyone saying he does the same moves...he has a great go to move and a great counter, which is the turn around jump shot and the up fake and under. And you dont know what hes gonna hit you with. To be able to set up a move and be aware of your feet and body in relation to the hoop requires great skill. McHale shows that he can set you up pretty much anywhere around the basket!
This video was a straight clinic of fundamental basketball, even though I didn't see any left hand from Mr McHale. With that being said, there should be no excuse why Dwight Howard doesn't develop a post game now with TWO of the best back-to-the-basket players of all time at his disposal.
it is in my opinion that kevin mc cale was the best in his team at taking the hard shots .he was the inside threat all teams feared !! he was a master at fake and inside .with out mc cale larry bird would still probably be the great player he is but the road would have been that much harder .kevin mc cale deserves more .like how many times did any other player take on the whole opposite team in the inside and be able to score .only one player did it. before michael jordan and that player is kevin mc cale of the boston celtic .
The man with a thousand offensive moves - A Basketball Wizard with a touch of ball just incredible !! Kevin McHale was simply untouchable at the Post !!!! ONE of the Worst Players to Defend, a True Horror for the opposing Team!
It really is a beautiful thing to watch. Many of these are one-dribble moves. Pivot, use the dribble, pivot again and be decisive about each step. You don't have to be big to work in the post when your footwork is this good.
Very true..pretty much all of these are McHale' patented "up and under" move...However, what isn't shown is his turnaround jumper after the initial quick shoulder shimmie.. The turnaround sets defenders up for the up and under..As you said, basic but unstoppable.
the man was unguardable. every move in the book. jump hooks. turnaround fades. up and unders. spin moves. drop steps. face up js. finish through contact. he also could hit from the line.
Charles Barkley was once asked who was the hardest guy to guard, he said "Kevin McHale, and I don't even have to think about it".
Remember he is 6 ft 10 with long hands it really hard to block that lay and his flexibility is very good.
bruh McHale had a counter to every counter, he fake u out yo shoes, bruh. and u just a keyboard warrior man u ain't no hall of famer lol
That's probably right. He's in the NBA hall of fame but only had one move that other NBA players couldn't figure out. But you would have blocked the shit out of him. Good, thoughtful analysis.
The reason NBA defenders kept letting him "lay the ball in" is because McHale also had a sick jumper, and they had to respect that when defending him. If his jumper was awful, he wouldn't fool anybody.
ZhangtheGreat Well stated. Mchale’s fade away jumper was smooth and accurate. And with those arms as long as stilts, exceptionally difficult to stop that agile ade away.
McHale and Olajuwon had the best post moves of anyone ever to play the game, in my opinion.
Well comming from a rock star who havent watch an nba game i think you're right
Olajuwon?? He was good, but his low post was usually that fade away jump shot. Big game James Worthy had the best post moves easily. Mchale had a 7 foot 4 inch wingspan. Worthy was 6'9 with a 7 foot span, but was the fastest first step maybe ever. Young people need to see James Worthy video here on You Tube. Him and Magic were silk. Worthy used to eat Boston up.
Don't forget Tim Duncan.
Yeah That's my era. Actually a little after. He was always one of my favorite's Phi Slama Jamma, McHale had the best post moves in those days. Hakeem came a couple years later with Ewing. When Houston went to the finals against Boston, McHale did his thing. Houston was the twin towers, but Boston dominated the inside. Hakeem's #1 shot was is his 15 foot fade away. Of course he had great post moves. He was 6'10 maybe 6'9 in his socks. He relied on his jumping ability and Athleticism. But to put him even in the top 5 centers is crazy.
I looked at the Box score on Goggle just now, for Boston Houston final. Remember Parrish is old. Anyway, it went 6 games McHale avg 29 points. Hakeem 19 points. Hakeem guarded McHale. Sampson guarded Parrish. Some minutes went to an old Bill Walton that came out of retirement. That should say something.
so happy there's no music over this, you can hear the boots squeaking with his elite footwork
I never realized how good this guy was until recently. He was excellent on the defensive end as well. Career averages: 17.9 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 1.7 BPG, .554 FG, .798 FT. Very underrated
Career averages are really unrepresentative of both bird and mchale.
"McHale was never better than the 1986-1987 season, setting career highs in scoring (26.1) and rebounding (9.9). He also became the first player in NBA history to shoot sixty percent or better from the field (60.4%) and eighty percent or better from the free throw line (83.6%) in the same season. McHale was named to the All-NBA First Team, was named the NBA's best defensive player by the league's coaches, and finished fourth in the Most Valuable Player voting behind Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, and Larry Bird."
at his peak he was amazing. the broken foot really diminished him.
Kind of surprised anyone would say McHale is underrated.
He is typically touted as the greatest power forward of all time when it comes to low post moves. He was named to the league's 50 greatest players list ever in 1996, despite coming off the bench for 5 years (he started less than 80 of his first 400 games, due to the great depth of the Celtics). This shows that his peers, the coaches of his era, and the media all recognize his greatness to look past his time as a 6th man.
Despite playing less than 30 mpg early in his career, McHale blocked almost 600 shots in his first 3 seasons. He is top-10 all-time in FG% and he is of course in the Hall of Fame.
Charles Barkley called him "the best player I played against because he was unstoppable offensively, and he gave me nightmares on defense."
he isn't underrated he is considered one of the best ever....
John Dayton among younger people he's way underrated, or those who look at just his career scoring average and know nothing about his injuries, his incredible shooting percentages, his 55 point game and how he was universally considered the premier PF of his time, how he guarded all 3 front court positions. Karl Malone was great and amazingly durable, but peak vs peak McHale was better, he was on balanced teams that spread the ball around so never had gaudy averages. And his peak was the absolute golden age of the NBA. His 87 season is about as good as you can have as a PF, but when your fellow 1st team all NBAers are Bird, Magic, Jordan and Hakeem it's tough not to be a bit overlooked!! Bonus points for two awesome Cheers appearances!!
John Dayton By some he is. Not so much with the younger group. Of course that goes for Pippen, Moses Malone and John Havlicek as well.
McHale mastered two moves and used them to perfection: turnaround shot, and it's counter, turnaround up and under.
McHale had about 10 moves, whatever was working.
MrFraiche not true. He had hooks, double up and under step throughs, pump fakes, baseline spin move dunks. Fuck outta here saying he just mastered "two moves"
Plus he played Defense..if he did only have 2 moves as you say, and your fav player still couldnt stop him,what does that say?
actually Mccale had about 20 moves, I'm a 80's Lakers fan, and he drove me crazy. Unstoppable. They always talked about Bird, but this guy was always good in the big games.
u had to RESPECT any fake though cause he could kill you with anything.
The reason why the defenders were biting on his pump fakes was that his turnaround jumper was deadly too. Greatest low post player ever.
HAKEEM
^^
And if you didn't bite he'd hit that jumper.
Guillaume A True. Mchale had a smooth, tremendously accurate fade away jumper. Very agile big man.
Von Wiley Hakeem played more on the mid post than low post.
Not one shot out of 8 ft - because he's unstoppable inside 8 ft. Not one dunk - because he didn't need to. Same moves over and over - because they worked. Best part is - he makes it look easy! Sign of a great player.
Similar to Bernard King before his knee injury. The way they both scored in the paint so seemingly effortlessly.
This is evidence that having the combo of solid footwork and excellent fakes can take you far. Every big man needs McHale's moves.
any young big man that wants to be better at inside scoring needs to study Kevin Mchale
True. Though it also helps if that player is 6'10 with LONG arms, like McHale. Greatest assortment of moves and fakes of any low-post player, that's for sure.
They all just wanna face up and shoot the 3 now. Post up game is a lost art.
Truth.
And watch bird for that beautiful fall away.
@Ana Babi Would you score with a young McHale?
Legend. McHale was very cerebral too; he did so many technical things like a push or shove at just the right time to gain position or cause the defender to be a step slower. He was a fierce competitor, imposed his will, hard-nosed, could get under the opponent's skin. He knew how to change the momentum of the game and grind it for a needed basket.
McHale could play on any all-time team. Player's like McHale transcend skill and athleticism; they find ways to win. They're great at adjusting, finding weaknesses and exploiting them.
kids be like: how can they not defend this? or did they study him at all??
remember: what you see here is perfection of post moves. no matter how study this, you can't defend Mchale. it will only lead to you overthinking what is he gonna do.
he is 8ft from the rim, when he pump fake and you react, it's over. when he fakes and you dont react, it's also over. that's it. he perfected it so much that it messes your mind just thinking how are you gonna defend it. plus his height is a factor.. he is 6'11" and he is 8ft from the rim.. highly efficient shots.
Yep exactly. The key to having the perfect post moves is to always have a counter move. Throw that up fake and if they don't bit on it then you should have a go to move to use in case they don't bite.
misterthreedee 26 mchale had an 8 foot wingspan too
He had no left hand
Pizza Memes neither did the drummer from Def Leppard, but when your right is that good, it doesn’t matter
He wasn't that tall actually. But had the wingspan of a 9 footer.
he is like the 'up and under' god.
he was called Mr. Automatic by Bird cos as long as he gets the ball in his spots he would score no matter what
McHale was one-of-a-kind. He was one of the three most advanced great college big men of all time. Bill Walton and Tim Duncan were the other two. I couldn't believe it when the Celtics drafted him. To get Larry Bird AND Kevin McHale was unbelievable good fortune.
Those two years Auerbach probably made the most masterful GM moves of all time. First drafting Bird with the #6 pick knowing he was going to stay in school another season and risking that he would sign after his college season ended and before the next draft. Then, holding the #1 draft pick and knowing that Golden State with the third pick really wanted Joe Barry Carroll and Utah wanted Darrell Griffith (Dr Dunkenstein). Auerbach acted like he thought the world of Carroll, even though he thought he was a stiff. So, he talked Golden State into trading Robert Parrish to the Celtics, in return for swapping their draft pick. GS took Joe Barely Cares and the Celtics took the player they really wanted, Kevin McHale with the 3rd pick.
Ever heard of Hakeem????
Red Auerbach basically traded a bag of chalk and some parquet wax for McHale.
They didn't Draft him,they traded for him.
Larry bird was pretty good too
Lol at the kids on here saying McHale is "boring". Go watch idiots turn the ball over 20 times a game, let the adults watch a legend.
exactly!
BuryMeInSmoke538 adults are boring
A lost art.
Thats why Basketball sucks now
This guy isn't in McHale or Hakeem's class. But remember Al Jefferson? He had an old style, big man's back to the basket game in the paint. He was very effective for several years. He usually averaged between 17 to 20 a game.
Just saying he had a somewhat similar style to Hakeem and McHale in how he produced.
As a lifelong Sixers fan, I've always known how good Kevin McHale was. He was practically indefensible in the low block. I'm sure Celtics fans recall how good Andrew Toney was.
Oh yeah, the Boston Strangler. I'm a lifelong Celtic fan but you had admire Toneys talent. Career cut short by injury and that was a shame.
Oh yeah, the Boston Strangler. A great talent, career cut short by injury. From a lifelong Celtic fan.
How is the Up and Under not called the McHale?
I agree.
I'm 52 I never saw anyone use this but Kev at least not the way or as much as he did. Kev was a beast down low! I hate this new 3pt shooting big man NBA,yo get back to power ball! Timmy D and KG are gone we still have Brook Lopez, Marc Gasol, but the post game is leaving us...and for all you critics I know yes Marc shoots threes but he added that recently...
mookeychase0907 It seems like most post scorers in the NBA right now can shoot 3s. Marc Gasol, Nikola Jokic, and Brook Lopez added his last year and has been deadly
lol word
Hell Yeah
McHale was NBA all-defensive 1st team three times, all-defensive 2nd team three times. One of the greatest post defenders of all time. Great on both ends of the floor.
McHale shows you the ball ,you bite, he goes under ,if you are good enough to guard the second move ,McHale rolls the other way ,you still look stupid. McHale never got the credit he deserved ,one of the best post players of all time.
Goddamn McHale made his defenders look like chumps.
This man would have easily averaged 25 a night if he were on a team where he was the number one option.
Actually he averaged even more,over 26 points per game, playing for the great Celtics.
He only did it once. I meant for his career.
I meant,he averaged over 26 points one season,in 1986-87,and had 5 consecutive +20 seasons,from 85-86 till 89-90,he almost done it in 1984-85 season,with 19,8 per game.
Saw a great quote from McHale on TV. People were talking about how "Everyone was afraid of Jordan" and he looked genuinely surprised and said, "I wasn't."
Could you imagine McHale in today's league where not a single player has a low post game.Easily plus 30 a night.
Everyone knows Kevin's signature spin move and no one can stop it. When the defender's arms go up, McHale's arms go down and he's on his way.
With all the comments, I'm sure someone pointed this out, but It bears repeating. The last seconds of this video you hear the voice of Celtic great Bill Russell (one of the t.v. cast crew) saying "trying to hold McHale, when he's posting up, is like trying to hold water in your hand." To a defender, it must have seemed like he was facing a whirling dervish octopus with all those quick multiple moves in succession. Just like Jabbars sky hook, no one has perfectly copied McHales post moves, maybe because they cannot be just copied mechanically, but must have the fluidity that made those men so great.
Christopher Fern True, and the excellent, agile moves of Mchale was only part of the problem for defenders, this video reminded me of how precise his fade away jumper was.
You had me laughing, how often do you hear the phrase: whirling dervish octopus. - Oh, man LOL
It seems like everyone looks at the McHales and Olajuwons of yesteryear and think, "if only Ibaka or Howard learned those moves, they would be unstoppable down low". In reality, those moves and the footwork involved actually aren't that hard to learn. Howard spent a several days with Olajuwon and paid a princely sum to learn those moves, and was able demonstrate his prowess with them to a degree. Yet, he still looks rather stiff and uncoordinated (though stats say he's exceptional down low. In the end, pretty moves aren't the end-all-be-all of low post effectiveness, but rather just putting the ball in the basket).
IMO, most fluid big men can learn the footwork and countermoves and have them down pat, but still won't be able to pull them off reliably in-game. Why?
Shooting.
Don't just look at McHale's defenders biting on his fakes, but think about why they bite on those fakes. The reason they bite on the fakes is that both McHale and Olajuwon were incredible shooters down low. McHale, especially, was totally automatic with either a righty jump hook, righty turnaround jumper, or righty fadeaway jumper (he never used his left hand, but it obviosuly didn't matter). Because of how well McHale could shoot in the low post, his defenders really had no choice but to respect his fakes and bite on them even though they were well aware that those fakes were coming.
Based on that, if I were to teach a big man these moves, I would first teach him to shoot hooks, turnaround jumpers, and fadeaway jumpers, and then have him practice those shots against a defender until each of them becomes automatic. Afterwards, the footwork, fakes, and countermoves will all fall in pretty easily because his defender will have no choice but to respect them.
Were you to teach a big man the footwork and countermoves without teaching him how to shoot first, the big man might be able trick his defender once or twice with those moves. But eventually, his defender will realize the big man can't shoot. The defender will then allow the big man to shoot (and mostly miss) his hooks and turnaround jumpers, or stay planted to the ground while the big man fruitlessly attempts his pump fakes.
The reason why Dwight Howard doesn't look like Hakeem isn't that he doesn't have the moves, but rather because he can't really shoot. He just doesn't have the touch, as we can see from his stiff running hooks and terrible free throw shooting.
After learning from Hakeem, Amar'e Stoudemire is actually respected in the low post because of his shooting ability down low combined with those post moves. Too bad his knees have betrayed him just as he finally learned those moves.
Can Serge Ibaka with his sweet mid-range shot and free throw shooting learn these moves? First, he needs to learn to shoot reliably in the low post first with hooks, turnaround jumpers, and fadeaway jumpers. Then, after he learns the footwork, fakes, and countermoves, I say why not?
You also have to be stronger and more willing to take punishment to play in the low post nowadays because with the post-Shaq rules, low post defenders are now allowed to beat the crap out of low post players. Before Shaq, the rules were more stringent and allowed big men to catch the ball relatively unmolested in the low post.
Best informed comment I have read in a long time.
Great fakes only work when the defender has no choice but to respect them.
I get tired of all those analysts saying that Dwight Howard & Company should learn from Olajuwon and Mc Hale playbook.
Of course, they had exceptional footwork at their size, but all those moves relied on the fact that if you let them shoot, even when sitting in their face, they would drain it on you almost every single time.
Not many big men in the game today have that efficiency.
urbananalrapist Wade's not a great shooter and they still eat his fakes. It has to do with selling the fake and then being fluid in to your next move. McHale already knew before you left your feet he was going by you, same as Wade.
jcash78
The more I learn about the game, the more I appreciate both aspects of the game. Being able to make a shot at any point and any position is important to sell the fakes, but the actual footwork, body positioning, fluid moves, and shimmies are also highly important in getting open shots, or going from a good shot to a better shot.
The point is that both aspects are important in selling the fake. Wade may not be a great shooter, but he's clearly a good enough shooter to get his defenders to respect his fakes. He also has a multitude of finishes close to the basket (floaters, bankers, bank shots) that he can make at a good clip. There's a reason that his defenders contest his shots from midrange inward.
Contrast that with, say, Rondo, Rubio, and other players with awful jump shots, and why they're often left wide open even from the midrange. OR, contrast it with a big man who can't finish consistently near the basket with jumpers, push shots, or hook shots. See why they can't sell their fakes: it's not just due to their lack of good footwork/fluid moves (though that doesn't help, certainly).
urbananalrapist you are right. Kobe said it best when he said players today are more concerned with being famous than actually perfecting their craft. Bird, Magic and them were perfectionists. McHale was a technician. Jordan worked relentlessly to develop his jump shot and fade away. Kareem had the unblockable shot. Players today could learn these moves but they choose not to. Instead relying solely on athletic ability. When LeBron was in Miami he developed a decent post game but since he went back to Cleveland he doesn't work on it as much anymore. You look at Dwight Howard and what he could do if he developed a decent post game or hook shot or fade away. But he chose not to so now nobody cares about Dwight Howard. LOL
Well, Dwight Howard's "stunted" post game isn't due to his choosing not to develop his post game. After all, he loves posting up. So much so that he actively (or passive aggressively) gripes about his lack of post touches (where he is somewhat effective) instead of concentrating on his PNR game (where he is devastating). Also, he was the first player to do the Hakeem The Dream skills camp, so you can't say he isn't interested in developing his post game.
From what I've seen, he has pretty good technique (if a bit mechanical), nice quickness, and reasonably slick footwork. So his moves/fluidity is not bad. His downfall is his jump shot, hook shot, and general touch around the basket. As it is, he's an automatic 15-20 PPG scorer even with his lousy-mediocre touch and shooting. But if he had good touch & free throw shooting, he would be a 25+ PPG scorer easily.
The same goes for younger PNR monsters who are horrid free throw shooters & jump shooters. Though neither Andre Drummond or DeAndre Jordan have the scoring ability of Dwight Howard, they would definitely improve to 15-20 PPG levels if they had better touch.
In other words, Drummond and Jordan with a decent jumper would be like Alonzo Mourning. Monster rebounder and defender, not many offensive moves, but possessing a decent jump shot, free throw shooting, and quickness to get by slower defenders. Howard with a decent jump shot is a level or two higher than that IMO.
Kevin McHale in today's game with the touchy fouls - 30 plus per game easy.
He'd be a freak. Just about anyone who started in the '80s would be a freak today. Their skill level, basketball IQ, toughness, stamina, and focus were magnitudes ahead of what it is now. Chalk it up to everyone trying to recruit athleticism instead of skill - trying to find the next Jordan - changing the culture of basketball to shit.
He was damn near doing that in his prime
@@merlball8520 Very well said!
Merl Ball toughness? Maybe. Skill? No way. Players now are MUCH more skilled then they were in the 80s. Maybe these guys had a better post game, but that’s what happens when there are freak of nature athletes like Rudy Gobert and Giannis Antetokounmpo guarding the rim.
God #1 Lebron #2 235? I’ll be shocked if they Are 225 . I just saw this entire thing and didn’t see any physicality
Nice move. Whatever Kevin and the rest of the Celtics lacked in athleticism they made up for in smarts. They earned those three rings.
+GerMart I think a lot of that plays on the whole "Celtics had a bunch of white guys" rep. Not saying that was what was being brought up but there's often some underlying stereotypes being thrown out.
Also, Ainge was also athletic enough to play in the MLB before going to the NBA, as well as a scratch golfer and tough/strong enough to tackle 7'2 Tree Rollins to the ground!
I'm not sure if anyone can honestly watch McHale and claim he wasn't athletic. Someone who isn't athletic can't pull off ten moves and fool defenders consistently.
Fundamentally sound, excellent footwork, soft touch on the block and reall can shoot. That made McHale excellent down the block.
McHale played a game that seems so easy, but is predicated on the ability to read and react to what the defense is giving you that few players are able to attain. He had multiple moves and combinations that he would use based on how the defender was positioned. That's not athleticism- Which he had, by the way- That's intelligence.
He would do all this in traffic. Can you imagine him now with the spacing that exists because everyone shooting three's. He'd be killing it down in the post.
Old school ball was all about the post and repost. I get sick of seeing the modern guards jack up a bad shot when the initial post wasn't there. Take your time and get the ball back down low. The big man is your friend.
Yeah he was truly one of the best, his post up moves were just amazing, very few could guard him one on one, i was lucky enough to get his autograph, my father and i went to a game when i was 11, after the game all the players were driving out of the garage from the Garden, that is a great memory i will never forget.
The great thing about McHale's offense is that he knew he was a low post player and stuck to being a low post player. He shot very few 3s and had years he didn't take any 3s. McHale knew his game was the low post and stuck to the low post. That's why he led the NBA in FG% in 1987 and 1988 in back to back years shooting .604 each time.
The best post player ever when it comes to footwork. And to show how great he really was, he developed a 3-point shot towards the end of his career. In the 91 Playoffs, he was 6 of 11 from beyond the arc.
Sheer beauty.
Damn Mchale was deadly in that post. That up and under was unstoppable. But the he would hit you with the jump hook, underhand reverse layup and the fade away jumper! No way to guard that! Just hope he misses a few!
amazing footwork. had a counter to every counter- big men with long arms aren't meant to move that well. hakeem learnt a lot of his moves from mchale. what a frontline- to put it in perspective- they had the best scoring 3, the best post 4, and the best defensive 5. thats like a frontline of dirk, duncan and dwight today- playing together. i know it sounds funny- but thats how good they were in terms of respective ranking in the nba. the 3 of them made like 10 all star games in a row together and went to 5 finals, and won 3 of them. they d have won many more if it were not for the equally great team on the other coast.
And if not for the death of Len Bias
+AgentJ2007 And Reggie Lewis...
MN_EDIT I read mchale has an 8 foot wingspan... crazy
Except Dirk doesn't play the 3 at all like Bird...
The most deadly up-and-down of all time thanks to his excellent footwork and freakishly long gangly arms
What a great video! Probably the most dominant post player in the history of the game. Tim Duncan is the only one of this era where I can sit back and say he finishes from the low post as well as Kevin Mchale did
Really?? Oh my
Olajuwon is right there with McHale in post moves
Most dominate ever? I guess Shaq and wilt never played in the nba then.
Willy E It's hard to say just how dominant he was seeing as the storyline is that he wasn't even the best player on his team. Shaq, Hakeem, Timmy and Charles Barkley were more dominant players all around, but certainly the two most beautiful post games I've ever watched based off of video belong to Hakeem and Kevin Mchale.
southsidesman yea but shaq had fundamentals and the post moves to go with it
All those spins and up&unders man, my head be spinning like crazy. Him and The Dream are the greatest back to the basket players of all time.
I remember him for his "fall away jumper". I loved pro basketball in the 80's and Mchale was my favorite player.
so much rhythm to his fakes, not herky-jerky but like a fluid movement toward the basket
This guy was just a KILLER around the rim. My goodness.
just like olajuwon, it must have been absolute hell to guard him
Yup. Just ask Charles Barkley.
Jabber skyhook the original unstoppable weapon
Kevin's moves are so slippery slick it's as if he's made of rubber an greased with butter!!! You couldn't try ta stop Kevin only pray he missed sometimes!! Da man!! The low post was graced by em!!!! Those were the great old dayz of bein the Celtic fan I am!!! Boy do I miss!!! GO C'S....be good!!
This is exactly what I was looking for. Kevin McHale post moves beating double-teams. I'm surprised that there's no one currently in the NBA practicing these moves.
yukguy1
I know what you mean but what you're basically seeing is the game shifting from the dominant low post of the 90s to today's mid and perimeter dominant game. One obvious reason is because we have less superstar centers than we did in the 90s. So we get less McHale, Ewing, Shaq, post play and we get more 3-point and driving/penetrating play. T.Duncan developed more mid game to his attacking the basket and Durant is more than happy to beat a defender at the perimeter for a drive through the lane. Today's player has excellent ball handling skills.
However, many of McHale's moves are being used all over today's nba. After all, McHale had most of the classic repertoire at his disposal: left and right post spin and with counter, a hook, a jump and fade, and he could turn to face the basket from the post for finger-roll and floater shots.
The post spin with counter is extremely popular and it's been used throughout the years. When Mchale is posting and then he spins on the defender, when he finishes the spin he dips back in the other direction, often kind of dipping under the defender's side, usually toward the hoop for a layup or high-percentage shot. This video shows him doing it all the time lol. It's a great move.
yukguy1 I wonder what Kevin thinks when he sees Dwight calling for the ball on the low block.
+Matt Straubel Mchale is thinking "this guy can't post up worth shit"
I was a kid growing up in Detroit in the 80's hating the Celtics. But for all you youngsters out there. McHale is the greatest low post player of all time. He had every move in the book and then some. He was completely unstoppable in the post.
Jonathan Blaze I would say second only behind Hakeem but Hakeem is Hakeem lol
both McHale and Hakeem are deadly. the only difference is that Hakeem's moves are more flashy. McHale's are more fundamental. on the otherhand, I would tip my hat to McHale since he could fake the hell out of 2-3 players guarding him. Hakeem though struggles with double teams but is great on 1 on 1 coverage.
That pump fake and dip was so deadly, he would school todays players in the post.
Beautiful post moves. I know the NBA has evolved but I loved watching big men play with their backs to the basket.
turnupthesun81 I was watching the philly game and we have Embiid who still uses the low post but not many others do it anymore
Nba has evolved and devolved at the same time.
Kev used that up and under like a little man uses the crossover. Once he gets you leanin forget about it...
Thank you so much! Mchale is the reason I love the game so much. By far my all-time favorite player.
His up and under is just perfect
Everybody knows what he’s gonna do, and yet nobody can defend him. That’s how good he is at posting up his opponents.
Yup. Wasn't much for passing and used his right hand 90% of the time yet still would score 55-60% of his baskets without jumping over 5 inches. Not that he couldn't jump, but he saved it for blocking shots and playing defense. He was a freaking beast before his foot slowed him down.
With the exception of Olajuwon I cant think of a player with better footwork.
Perhaps not better, but Duncan and Pau are there.
Penny's was exceptional too, his was not only for the post but for anywhere. Go watch his actual highlights, carefully.
Olajuwon had the best footwork
im glad you starting showing them fall aways at 4:30. thats why his up and under was so lethal. when he came in the league all he shot was that fadeaway. when he added that counter move it took him from sixth man to all time great
AND McHale and Kareem each could 20 + without dunking, unlike Shaq. In other words, finesse and skill.
You realize all the great scoters where athletic? Kareem, Jordan, wilt, Kobe, Malone
when you're 7'1" and 300 lbs why use finesse?
They could. Duncan can and does as well.
Mick A Only thing is you're undervaluing Shaq's skills. If every large 7 footer could get that close to the rim and finish as well as Shaq could, they would do it every time. The reality though is that they can't because even Shaq had basic footwork that allowed him to get the positioning he needed to use his strength.
still can not understand how dumb D-howard can not learn these footwork
+陳柏安 hahah ur right!!!! yet McHale is not even as athletic or fast as that dumbass Howard
Haha, no shit, he was the damn coach, you would think dewight would ask.... So what's this up & under thing?
haha and he's in houston where Hakeem is. 2 of the best as his teachers and he didn't even try to learn
I would say because Dwight is a specimen. He is bigger and could jump higher than everyone since middle school id bet so he never had to rely on fundamentals. Now that he is pushing 30 it is obvious that he can't jump as high and he lacks the fundamental skill in the post offensively.
陳柏安 coz d12 has no heart or passion to d game.. after all that gifted physique & natural ability, he's just lazy & dumb..
It was always so much fun to watch this guy play! It was so much fun watching him get the ball in the low post and just eat people alive. The repertoire of moves he had just seemed endless. I often thought that if he had played on a team where he was the main go to guy, he might have won the MVP award.
Bi11 Russell: "trying to hold McHale when he's posted up is like trying to hold water in your hand"
Man the man could shake double team!
That foot work is some serious fundamental pre Duncken days.
pre-90s Olajuwon.
Green Maverick yes it is. You right on that one..a lot of it!
No flash, no traveling, just incredible fundamentals and probably the best post moves of any player ever.
Mchale could play in any era, because his moves are perfection.
not my favorite player but my oh my, I really learned a lot from this guy. I'm old and past my peak now and lost a lot of step, bounce, and speed. but these moves really made me a bit competitive even at this age playing against young ones half my age. you can just imagine how many of these kids I schooled and draw a lot of awe's and scoring easily without forcing.
Man, the block was his torture chamber. Him and Olajuwon were masters. I like big Al Jefferson' s post game in today's nba.
najirban jabber skyhook the original unstoppable weapon
You don't see this type of low post play from 4's or 5's anymore. Just an amazing arsenal!
Kevin McHale basically used basic and fundamental post moves to score the basketball. The low post moves and the low post game has become a lost art in today's game. Hopefully one day the post game will make a significant comeback in the NBA. Chicago Bulls nation for life!!! Chicago Cubs nation for life!!! Chicago Bears nation for life!!!!!
also great video to whoever put this together. One oft he best ive seen. thnx
The 2 best forwards of all time on 1 team.
Just get buckets young blood! McHale was a beast in the paint.....and not one dunk. All the moves in the book. Dont see big men currently in the NBA with skills like that
McHale had one of the greatest hook shots of all times, if not the best.
+Sir Markadoo Kareem's was the best, but respectively McHale's was the second
If you need any more evidence of how great a player Tim Duncan was, recognize that he regularly studied McHale’s post moves and footwork. Only a true great can study another great and perform at that high level. Another example is Kobe Bryant emulating Jordan’s fade-away jumper and overall game.
Him, Duncan and Malone are my top 3 favorite Power Forwards.
i would love to see him go against tim duncan
Absolutely.
Kevin is the best PF of all time
Deandre Jackson tim Duncan, karl malone, elvin hayes, bob pettit, et.Etc. Etc.
@@lloydkline7245 lmao evlin and bob aint better than kevin but malone chuck kg dirk are
McHale has a career FG percentage of 55.4% including playoffs. That's a great stat
Great post mooves ... Really a joy to watch. Only - is that he had no left hand ...
+Gabriel Moors Thing is, he didn't need a left hand.
SCARY to imagine if he did have a left hand
While people were busy watching the right, his left was getting busy knocking people in the jaw clearing space. It was awesome to watch.
He did not need one,
You can't even guard his right hand why should he bother using left?
If you were a kid growing up in Boston in the early 80s with any height whatsoever you were basically a Kevin McHale wannabe when you got the ball in the paint.
The up and under is absolutely unstoppable and he had nights where he stayed hot all night and torched the opposing defenders for the whole game.
Awesome.
By far the best up and under player in the history of the game. He had all the moves too. The hook shot, the turn around jump shot, the finger roll, ball fakes, shot fakes. You can easily make an argument for him being top 5, maybe even #2 all time for pure post player moves. #1 being Hakeem the Dream.
Great footwork and soft hands. Barkley said McHale was his toughest opponent, you almost couldn't stop him offensively.
Mchale was so good, you can talk about being an all around player all you want, but bottomline is you got to put the ball in the hole. Mchale was a much better second option than Pippen was.
As an offensive player down low no question. But pippen was in my opinion one of the greatest defenders to ever live. He was better than Jordan defensively.
the torture chamber!!!
How can RUclips watchers be so dense? It's obvious the up and under works because you have to respect his other moves. Also, he used about 5-6 different up and under finishes. Incredible
I could watch Bird and McHale all day over today's NBA.
2:39 Barkley could never handle Mchale! (by his own admission too)
I tell many of the young kids I coach that if they ever want to model someone’s post game...they better go look at Kevin McHale. Hard to say it as a long-time Laker fan but you gotta call a spade-a-spade! The best low post moves in history.
Mchale has a smooth up and under and as someone who also uses it a lot in his repertoire, I can tell you the up and under is extremely effective when the ball fake is believable, and Mchale shows the ball on the ball fake. He also makes quick decisions when he touches the ball in the post,and defenders struggle to guard that. Fluid footwork, quick decisions, and a great feel for the game. No wonder chuck talks him up... Lol I still put hakeem ahead of him though.
in my opinion I always rate Kevin McHale over Tim Duncan
Sean Rankin tim Duncan could play center,
you can only if you ignore defense.
Duncan was trash.
fundamentals mastered. that drop step is so deceptive and has so many switch depending on how they defend it. damn. coach mchale is beast.
Because Shaq was so big, we take him out of these conversations. For Shaq to be as dominant as he was, he needed incredible footwork. The dude didn't even have to use his left hand, thats how dominant his finishing ability was with his right. These Mchale highlights are awesome, and I love seeing white guys do incredible stuff on the basketball court (ie Pistol Pete, Jason Williams, Steve Nash).
But these comments gotta stop, people love their fan-bases and forget about everyone else.
What makes this even more amazing is that he beat double and even triple teams if you observe very closely!
This guy was doubled so much and its still "barbeque chicken" down there. To everyone saying he does the same moves...he has a great go to move and a great counter, which is the turn around jump shot and the up fake and under. And you dont know what hes gonna hit you with. To be able to set up a move and be aware of your feet and body in relation to the hoop requires great skill. McHale shows that he can set you up pretty much anywhere around the basket!
This video was a straight clinic of fundamental basketball, even though I didn't see any left hand from Mr McHale.
With that being said, there should be no excuse why Dwight Howard doesn't develop a post game now with TWO of the best back-to-the-basket players of all time at his disposal.
"Inside McHale, Kevin wants it"
I really need to get my mind out of the gutter.
That move at 0:56, classic McHale!
it is in my opinion that kevin mc cale was the best in his team at taking the hard shots .he was the inside threat all teams feared !! he was a master at fake and inside .with out mc cale larry bird would still probably be the great player he is but the road would have been that much harder .kevin mc cale deserves more .like how many times did any other player take on the whole opposite team in the inside and be able to score .only one player did it. before michael jordan and that player is kevin mc cale of the boston celtic .
The man with a thousand offensive moves - A Basketball Wizard with a touch of ball just incredible !!
Kevin McHale was simply untouchable at the Post !!!! ONE of the Worst Players to Defend, a True Horror for the opposing Team!
It really is a beautiful thing to watch. Many of these are one-dribble moves. Pivot, use the dribble, pivot again and be decisive about each step. You don't have to be big to work in the post when your footwork is this good.
Very true..pretty much all of these are McHale' patented "up and under" move...However, what isn't shown is his turnaround jumper after the initial quick shoulder shimmie.. The turnaround sets defenders up for the up and under..As you said, basic but unstoppable.
I would take Kevin McHale over Tim Duncan any day.
Absolutely not!!!
I would.
+John Boy that's like taking Oakley over Rodman
Kevin McHale in MY opinion is better than Tim Duncan.
+John Boy would you take mchale over Kevin Garnett?
the man was unguardable. every move in the book. jump hooks. turnaround fades. up and unders. spin moves. drop steps. face up js. finish through contact. he also could hit from the line.
I knew you would eventually make a McHale video. Loved it