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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Did the latest episode of the Acolyte BREAK Star Wars canon forever? In todays video we breakdown and review episode 3 of the series titled Destiny.
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As soon the room caught fire, the first thing I thought was "wow, this rock and metal must be really flammable to ignite from a single 20ish page book"
I think it’s clear there was something else going on to contribute to the disaster that will be revealed later
There are multiple things going on there. You see Mae burn Osha's book but you don't see her on screen set anything else on fire on screen. As pointed out by someone else all the witch's are dead but don't appear burned.
That's what I said
same show that bought you "fire in the vacuum of space." in episode 1
@@Zwank36 that's just a normal star wars thing even in the og movies
8 part movies would be okay if all the episodes were dropped at once.
That! It's how i felt with Stranger Things' latest season... i think Netflix handled it Masterfully, with 2 drops, separated by a month and a half, to keep the buzz going. It really felt like a long ass movie, even if it was cut in episodes, with the last two being literally as long as movies. :D
Even if they dropped together you still have the issue of "then what was the point of this episode? Pad the run time"
If you drop all of the 8 at once. Why not just make a movie than?
Fewer episodes. Higher quality. Dropped all at once. Otherwise, for weekly stories, lean more into the Clone Wars/Mandalorian-style approach of self-contained episodes
@@MegaDobieDogI think most of these Disney+ Star Wars shows would work better as anthology movies similar to Rogue One and Solo. Obi Wan Kenobi is a good example of show that could’ve just been a movie.
What annoys me is that they have this amazing premise of twins on opposite sides of the force, during a time set before the main line saga, and this is the backstory they decided to give it…a bunch of Walmart Nightsisters howling at the moon in the cringiest fashion possible.
It is clearly to represent their monthly moon cycle. Xp
But wait, SW Visions already did that. And it did that well.
To be fair, wiccans are very cringy in real life. So they nailed that one.
I burst out laughing when I heard the one witch cackling in the backround
But Studio Trigger already did that in SW Visions
The big question is: can people use the force in ways that might be self-serving without eventually being corrupted by the dark side? The head witch here literally puts a guy in a trace that turns his eyes black. That definitively seems like some bad guys stuff.
Maybe the witches are supposed to be Dark Siders.
Well we see the Jedi use the force in self-servicing ways all the time. Selfishness is not all evil, you need to be a minimum selfish to survive, and you need to survive to do good, like remembering to eat or drink is fundamentally selfish...but it's a question of balance, between selfishness and selflessness and understanding when to put other before yourself, and when you need to take care of yourself.
If i could do telekinesis, believe me, i'd use it to grab the TV remote when it's out of arm's length... and don't you dare tell me that you wouldn't :P .... but that act of selfishness would balance out with all the good i could do for others with that power. It's like any other skill... and it's about balance.
The Nightsisters use the force in a similar way but refer to it as "magick"
it looks trippy and scary to us but the reality was, he was just put into a trance and released afterward with no adverse affects, no pain, no manipulation, and overall; to our knowledge was not harmed in any way. For a mother acting to protect her children from being taken it was pretty tame. It was an expression of power to make the jedi leave, thats all, we cant just say "ooh black eyes = bad guy" we have to look at what actually happened
Also, the nightsisters already use the dark side without being corrupted by it. That is literally part of their training and culture. Ventress tells this to Quinlan in Dark Disciple and tries to train him the same way. So yes its already possible, at least to some extent. You could argue the Sith lean further to the Dark Side than the Nightsisters and that is where the corruption comes from.
I have no issues with force cults who have different perspectives on the force.
I have issues with clunky dialogue, bad zabrak acting, undoing the uniqueness of anakins force conception, and while you can't really knock a child actors acting, their direction wasn't great. The scuffling in the background during the force push scene was stupid and distracting.
They really did another force conceived child in this? Is there even anyone in Lucasfilm overseeing the worldbuilding?
I see more of a distinction between Anakin and the sisters. The Force itself created Anakin while the witches used the Force to create the sisters. In that case it doesn't necessarily ruin it for me. But I agree with the dialogue and other bits
They are a few of then
I don't see how the "uniqueness" of Anakin is undone in this episode. Just because we saw it was possible to create life with force (which we knew already) doesn't make Anakin less unique.
I mean aside from " the uniqueness of anakins force conception" which I don't even really agree with, you could say exactly the same about all of the prequels.
the scene where they're all chanting has to be one of the goofiest and worst acted things I've seen in a big budget project like this in a long time
But they overpower the goofiness with *the power of *maanyYyYy*
My biggest problem with this ep was in character interactions and dialog. People don't do/say what feels natural. Arguments are just abruptly skipped. Characters contradict themselves or fail to follow up on important points.
THE JEDI ARE GOOD!
THE JEDI ARE BAD!!
@@ZachBobBob This is basically George Lucas dialogue.
@@suzygirl1843 Yeah it is very "In my opinion the Jedi are evil!" from Anakin 😂 Still though I expect better
the power of ONE the power of TWO c'mon guys
Finally some actual real valid criticism lol
Something that’s infuriated me about this show in general is the pacing; it’s been absolutely awful.
Like, one thing Andor did well was it set up plot points and paid them off at the right time, but Acolyte is awful with it. Anytime they set up an issue, conflict or mystery it’s resolved too quickly and it means that most of the time I’m wondering where I’m supposed to feel tension. The main example was the whole twins reveal. When Ohsa was arrested for murdering a Jedi and acted adamant she didn’t do anything, I was confused and thought this was a plot point that would carry on throughout the whole series, but they then pulled the twin thing out the hat, had her scream out “I HAVE A TWIN SISTER AND SHES BEHIND ALL THE MURDERS” and then had Sol go “I INSTANTLY BELIEVE YOU AND AM NO LONGER TRYING TO ARREST YOU” and fixed that whole problem by episode two without letting any sort of tension build.
The one thing that I was curious about and made me feel some sort of intrigue was the mystery about their past, and I thought they’d just drop little clues and hints at what happened while leaving the rest to your imagination so that the show, yknow, kept it a mystery and kept it interesting… then episode three came around, and told us EXACTLY what happened, completely killing most of the questions I had and just leaving me feeling a bit nothing-y.
I don’t feel interested in the show because I don’t know what to feel interested in- every big conflict and piece of tension I was invested in has been solved within the space of three episodes and I’m kind of just watching to see if they make any more blunders like this as they carry on
"then episode three came around, and told us EXACTLY what happened, completely killing most of the questions I had and just leaving me feeling a bit nothing-y."
What questions did you have? Because this ep didnt explain anything. We know nothing about the witches as a whole, who they are, where they came from, their objective etc, and we didnt see how they all just died and we have no idea of the jedi's involvement in this. All we got was an episode showcasing all the things we already knew by episode 2. This episode didnt answer anything except the intention behind Mae starting the fire was to kill her twin sister.
Just stop with the stupid critical thinking until you have seen the whole show. This is like watching the first 5 episodes of Clone Wars or Rebels and basing your strong and negative opinion of the entire show on just those 5 episodes, not knowing how awesome they get after the introducing of the characters is done and we start to see them grow.
Its stupid and detrimental for your and everyone else's viewing experience. Sick and tired of you self-proclaimed movie critics that judge an apples taste before even opening your god damn mouths.
@@datNERO17 the main question I had going into episode 3 was “what happened on Mae and Ohsa’s home world? What was this big incident that left their whole planet dead and the two of them split apart?”. Episode 3 was literally a flashback episode on exactly this. No we didn’t see the witches die and they might have another explanation to give us here, but surely it would’ve helped if they’d kept us guessing what happened when they were kids instead, so that they could build it up gradually and create tension.
Oh! And forgive me for not liking what I’ve seen so far and being critical of it, if you don’t want to hear people’s criticisms of a show then going on RUclips reviews of it is probably not the best of ideas buddy
It's not clear what happened to the witches. I think this is just from her point of view. Later we will learn that the Jedi had a hand in their deaths or something. That's my take
I disagree tbh. The first few episodes of Andor were so boring that I stopped watching. Got back into it and ended up absolutely loving it, but I wouldn't praise the pacing.
Pacing of Acolyte is fine for me, it's just a very mid story and production.
@@E_A_T_S I see, so the problem is that you just havent paid very much attention and you do not have any patience. The first we heard about what happened is that people burned to death, but we only see people lying on the ground clearly not burnt and showing no blood. This doesnt answer anything, because it isnt supposed to. This episode was one side of the story of a very traumatized child (Osha). Everyone knows the "there are two sides to every story", this was painfully obvious if you actually paid attention. The answers will come, they are definitely keeping us guessing (those of us who pay attention at least) so stop complaining about having no answers and be patient.
Doesnt matter where i go. There are plenty of problems in this show, but i see a lot of criticism that is just completely and utterly invalid. You are doing the equivalent of judging a whole movie based on only its first 30 minutes, completely disregarding the rest of it. Thats just dumb man, and of course i get annoyed by dumb shit like that, only natural.
I don’t know, it feels disrespectful for Disney to hide behind minority groups whenever they have bad writing, it’s like “it’s not bad writing you’re just a bigot”
I agree, but they can't really sink $180MM into a series and then come out and say "oops, we hired shitty writers and directors", now can they?
The unfortunate fact is that there are a lot of folks who have it in for any Disney-produced Star Wars, and a small but loud contingent who let some ugly prejudices color their worldview. It gives Disney an easy out to blame the negative reaction on their bigotry, conveniently ignoring the vast majority of fans who are desperately looking for good Star Wars content and too often finding another Dumbo-sized turd from the Mouse House.
yes, but let’s not go after those minorities, it causes more harm long term
by all means, criticize the writing
What makes you think they're hiding behind minority groups? Bad writing in Star Wars was very much present in the prequels, when there was not as much racial inclusivity in big name franchises.
@@skirmisher1901 well when people were like Reva’s character doesn’t make sense and her story seems to have little substance, they’re response was “stop being racist.”
@@skirmisher1901 the thing about the poor writing in the prequels was that no one could tell George No, he was surrounded by Yes men. Which degraded the quality of the prequels. Today they can literally hire anyone, we need better writers who get better pay.
i swear to god if theirs another force cult group lead by a woman called the mother imma lose it how is this a trope its so specific
I suspect a lack of imagination and a very singular mindset is at work.
Funny how they want to break down stereotypes yet do the exact same thing
Clearly this is a forerunner group to the Night Sisters in Clone Wars. I don't understand why people are so upset by this.
@@shaunw9092 the nightsisters have been around for centuries at this point, so they are definitely not a forerunner.
@shaunw9092 noo... you don't understand high republic already has non nightsister force cults lead by a black woman called the mother.
This is VERY SPECIFIC
Jedi don't take people after a certain age because the have had time to create bond and attatchment with others. I thought this was common knowledge
At the time of the prequels yes. This is before maybe we will see a reason as to why they don’t do it
Anakin, Luke also Windu
@@HumanB312 There werent really a jedi order when Luke started training.
Um, Yoda? His reason for not training Luke immediately is exactly this, and his continuing reservations throughout the OT.
The Jedi tend to relax this during times of crisis or during times of extreme dissolution, but during the prequels it seems to be mostly enforced (though even during the eras where taking adults was more common there was still the norm of teaching only children)
The big unanswered question is: Who killed all the witches? Their bodies were not burnt in the fire.
If the show indicates that the Jedi did it, they better have a really strong explanation for that!
And having strong explanations for anything is not one of this show's strong points.
Bro we’re only on episode 3. You can’t possibly complain that not every little thing is explained when it’s obvious that these questions are what the whole show is building up to answering??
@@openingdown3051 I am not complaining about not having all the answers yet. It's a mystery, surely it will unfold. But EckhartsLadder did not point out what seems most likely to break the cannon of the Jedi, so I brought it up. It's the 'elephant in the room' at this point.
Given that Torbin took the Barash Vow and eventually poisoned himself, it seems like he was carrying some guilt or shame for something that happened back then.
If you're satisfied that the context presented so far hangs together in a sensible manner than I bow to you. It just seems like an ever growing collection of loose Threads to my limited way of thinking.
@@JimTempleman Jedi committing massacres against innocent is not exactly new either
@@JimTempleman if Torbin actually believed he was TRYING to do the right thing, then I literally can’t see the reason why he felt as though taking his own heartbeat was the answer here….thats not “Atoning” for one’s mistakes. And what about osha? Why doesn’t Torbin care how she freaking feels in all this?!?!?’😂
@@Macheako Agreed. That's what I meant about loose threads. Hopefully it will all be clear by the end of this season. But who knows what we will be left with?
This is not just a Star Wars or Disney+ issue. No streaming service is making TV shows. They are just making 7 hour movies.
its cause the lucas film story group only knows how to make and outline movies. they're experience and expertise probably isnt fully tranferable to TV shows and we're seeing the results of that first hand.
They got King Tommen Baratheon to play a Young Torbin.
He played old torbin as well
Man that guy can't stay alive. GoT and this he commits suicide and 1917 gets killed by the German pilot. Poor guy can't catch a break. Lol
He plays both ages…he wore terrible makeup last episode
He looked like something from Thundercats when he was supposed to be "old"
Always hilarious how Hollywood things it's impossible for black people to have AAAAAAAAAANY other hair style outside of afros and dreadlocks
Very strange annoyances
dont forget bald!
Don't forget they are two black children that have no father. This is the company that shrank Jon Boyega's picture on Chinese movie posters and covered Chadwick Boseman's face in Black Panther posters in the same country they credited Chinese concentration camps in Mulan...
I think it’s supposed to be empowering?
I didn’t watch the show but the combover dread haircut that that light skin Jedi has pisses me off lol it’s so overused to the point all I see when o see it is reddit
Fyi, you’re mixing up immaculate conception and virgin birth. Immaculate conception is a specific belief that the Virgin Mary was free from original sin from the moment of her conception. Has nothing to do with being conceived without “intercourse”. Virgin birth is pretty self explanatory. Anakin is supposedly a virgin birth, not immaculate conception.
Catholic canon is even more confusing than Star Wars canon.
Thanks for explaining
@sulljoh1 it's really not.
@@cameraman502 really?
Thanks! I hate, when people from an western background mix that up. (For people from other religions it might be confusing, ofc.)
Its the same thing, you're mixing in real world religion to muddy the waters
If you don't see that they are going to make the Jedi be the ones who killed all the witches, I don't know what to tell you. Why else would that guy feel so bad he commits suicide?
I think it's gonna be greyer than the Jedi just waltzing in to mass-murder everyone though.
Like they saw the fire, went in to help, the Zabrak witch thought they started it and were there to get the girls, they attacked, the Jedi defended themselves, in the battle Mae got scared and force nuked everyone by accident... or something like that.
I also think some mind wiping has occurred. They alluded to mind stuff in such a way that I think the cover up will be worse than the crime.
Given the state of the order at this time and the fact that in the past the order did that to the original Sith Purebloods and that they backed slavers against grievous’s people a few decades after this…yeah
@@Sultan_Vader_VIThe thing with Grevious was that the Jedi were only acting off information that had been given to the Senate which painted Grevious’ people as the aggressors.
I think it might have to do with his mind being dominated by the witch when they meet all together.
so the woman who carried them was a Zabrak? then why don't the twins show ANY features of a Zabrak, maybe i'm just overly confused by the situation but the two are obviously full on human but your saying they were carried by a Zabrak i'm not sure thas how this works
My guess is like an in-vitro fertilization... but with the force instead of sperm. So egg from Aniseya + Force magic, all incubated in the Zabrak's belly.
Dathomirians are half zabrak/half human so zabraks seem to share enough with humans for it to work.
So dumb
Something in the genetics makes a human-Zabrak female result in no horns. That (at least used to be) the explanation of the differences in males and females on Dathomir.
That's kinda what a surrogate mother IS medically speaking, is it not? Don't quote me but Pretty sure thats how it works. That's said I don't like how it's NOT explained in the series. Now I gotta go ask my freind who was an surrogate mother how this all works. Cuz if anyone knows she does lol.
I guess Eck doesn't agree with what other channels are saying about Acolyte & not understand why the show now has a 14% audience score on rotten tomatoes. When looper is attacking geeks & gamers, critical drinker, and others you know that fans hate this abomination for Star Wars
The show was so bad that two films with the word acolyte in it had been reviewed negatively even though they didn't have anything to do with disney: a film from the late 2000's and a star wars fan film that wasn't set in the high republic. Guess they were collateral damage
It's sad to say the culture war has affected many aspects of society in the US.
I literally have no problem with this episode and makes me even more convinced that there are only two types of Star Wars fans, 1. Those who laugh at the novelty of Luke Skywalker throwing his lightsaber over his shoulder and 2. Those who have existential crisis/tantrums because he (Star Wars) didn't act according to 'plan'. I am so sick this fabricated controversy constructed by the 'I hate the new Star Wars' industry. I actively tried to find something outlandish with this plot after hearing it sucked for a week and the best I can come up with is the room burned real quick, which 1. It's fucking space fantasy and 2. Maybe the planet has a higher oxygen content then Earth. I also can't help but recognize that this was a minority heavy episode and suddenly there's contrived controversy. Wouldn't be the first time Star Wars hated on Star Wars project because non-white people played a big part with it. I love Star Wars but hate Star Wars fans. NOTHING IS WRONG WITH BREAKING THE BACK OF STAR WARS LORE. Embrace change you troglodytes.
@@RandomVidsforthought Yeah can't help but notice when non-white actors start having prominent roles in Star Wars certain Star Wars fans bomb reviews sites with negative reviews.
The current leadership and creators do not know or care about Star Wars....
I do though, I love it
They cater to people like this 👆 thats why its bad now
Like how many shots and refrences come from the Samuri movies Star wars is based off of?
... tbh most "creators" that have a problem with it know less.
Honestly it feels like the people who created this show care about star wars. However they do not feel very competent lol.
“She starts a fire”
Forgetting she did that to murder her sister 😂🤣
He is to busy being a Disney shill to see controversy
@@N8TheGreatG Yeah its pretty sad to see the cope.
@@davidny212 it really is! I use to enjoy his content but no more!
“This isn’t a play, it’s a tv show, let’s get a bit more creative maybe”. Thank God someone finally said it
Is no one else curious about why the twins were carried by a woman of another species?
Media literacy is at all time low in this fandom
This part of the acolyte reminds me the movie of episode 8, when Luke says Kylo killed all de jedi and then Kylo says that Luke tried to kill him first.
Yes, it is the same Rashomon technique of showing events from different points of view. This was used in The Last Jedi, but of course it's not the first time Star Wars has drawn inspiration from Kurosawa films (it goes back to the very first movie, which drew from The Hidden Fortress).
This episode of The Acolyte shows us the events from Osha's point of view - although I suspect her memories may have been skewed by Sol. I think that we'll next see Mae's point of view, and this will definitely have been distorted by the Sith Master (as was the case in TLJ). After that we'll see a less distorted view closer to the truth.
I honestly was irritated by Ohsa thinking it was her fault everything went to shit but no it was Mae. At first u would think Mae is the good twin wanting to stick to tradition n becoming a witch. Ohsa on the other had wanted a life of her own. Like most twins she doesn't want to always be tied to her twin so she find ways to be on her own. Mae on th3 other can't let go of the old ways cuz it's all she knows n is comfortable with afraid to venture out n explore the galaxy. Mae is already showing dark side traits.
Fear. She is a afraid to leave home n never seeing her mother again. Fear of what's out there.
Anger. She is angry at Ohsa for wanting to leave n by doing so would Separate them from their home. Something she is afraid of. N she takes it out on Ohsa.
Hate. She hated Ohsa for feeling betrayed that her sister would betray her trust n not follow what their mother said. She hated that her sister would risk everything all cuz she wanted a life of her own.
Suffering. Mae now suffers alone with no one to blame but herself. Who knows Mayne the fire wasn't her idea fully but she already had dark side tendency n probably already met with the dark master.
Overall Ohsa wanted to explore the galaxy n forge her own path n not one that she felt was set for her at birth. Mae in the other hand can't let go of the past n that's what fuels her vengeance against the Jedi. She felt the Jedi are responsible for turning her sister to want to leave their home. When ok reality it was Ohsa choice. N I'm sure the mother was gonna let her n only her go but something happened maybe between her n her partner/lover. Mae over hears it n tried to take matter Into her own hands.
Can't wait for the next ep. We might see what happened that night n find out who the dark master is.
It's quite common for survivors to blame themselves
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to and anger leads to hate and hate... leads to suffering.
Holy shit, you summed the episode up in a couple of paragraphs.
X2 I can't wait to see more and get all my questions answered.
I think this show is really playing with us being a little different by just giving us questions during the first half and answering them in the second 😅
Fingers crossed for what is to come 🤞
Your comment made me like the episode a little bit. But gotta say, your grammar gave me a laugh 😂
I do agree that we shouldn't judge this too harshly until the season is over. As for retcons or lore breaking, let's not forget that Lucas himself retconned Luke's age and relationship to Leia in ROTJ (he was originally 2 years older and not related to her).
How can you NOT agree that virgin births before Anakin changes Star Wars?
Dude I grew up watching your Star Wars videos now I’m watching your hockey videos
WTF, people are seriously complaining about that?
Like, in Clone Wars the Nightsisters literally brewed a fucking Force Potion to Force Curse Count Doku with their Force Vodoo powers from halfway across the galaxy.
You can't tell me that that's closer to Jedi Style force powers than a group of witches following a philosophy that feels like an ever so slightly different take on the exact same shit that Obi Wan and Yoda were saying throughout the OG triology.
Literally the first thing Obi Wan said about the force is “Well, the Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It is an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together.”
If anything the coven's philosophy feels more like a return to what the force was originally presented as in A New Hope, before it got more and more reduced to "fast reflexes, telekinesis, lightning, and sometimes a vision" as the series went on.
Indeed!
Exactly. This sisterhood is definitely ok lorewise, and we don't know how the twins were created. The chant was kind of lame though haha.
So, nobody has a problem with a different view on the force, and nobody has a problem with witches having great power within the force like the TCW, the main problem is that these witches did something so drastic in the force that it basically rewrites everything we know about the force. The ability to create life was something that was coveted by both Plageuis and Palps, and both tried their entire lives but couldn't really achieve it. So for these witches to just know how to do it, and to create two of them mind you, undermines the importance of Anakin being brought about by the force itself. It also begs the question, if they somehow had the ability through the force, whether directly or indirectly, to create life, then why haven't they done this a million times and make many more of themselves? This whole thing creates a giant plot hole. Again, witches having great mystical power within the Star Wars universe is not the problem, the problem is overstepping the bounds in which their powers should reside. Also, it kind of goes against what Obi Wan was saying, because this is them directly manipulating the force, which a Jedi is not supposed to do, a Jedi is supposed to channel the force, rather than "use" it. (Which is weird in this episode because the mother first talks about not "wielding" the "thread", but then a few minutes she demonstrates her "wielding" the thread by force pushing her sisters, and then later in the show explaining how she created the twins, most likely through the force/thread since that's where she gains her powers.) So finally, no one is against the witches, or the sisterhood, or the fact they may be lesbian, but more so that they kind of have this insane, unexplained power that originates from an explanation of the force that doesn't hold water. Poor/lazy writing.
@@JLThermos
I get your point, and it's interesting and developed, and that is appreciated. The point is we still don't know how they did create the twins, maybe we should wait to see really what's going on before we all light the torch?
"So for these witches to just know how to do it, and to create two of them mind you"
Well, if you can create one, it's not far fetched to think you can create two. There is a way longer way between 0 to 1, than between 1 to 2, right?
", undermines the importance of Anakin being brought about by the force itself"
I don't really agree with that. An "immaculate conception" from the force itself is something way more powerful and meaningful than what seems to have been done here (again we have to wait to know a little bit more to judge). This point could be well transposed into the real life: it was a big deal when scientists manage to create the first clone (a goat if I remind correctly), but not even close to what will happen if someone is prooved to be born by "immaculate conception", from "nowhere".
" So finally, no one is against the witches, or the sisterhood, or the fact they may be lesbian"
let's be honest, that's definitely not true.
I agree. I feel like people who freak out about this episode must have repressed the nightsisters entirely. Probably the episodes about the anthromorpic force representations living on a space station as well lol.
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At the end of the episode, we can already see that Torvin has the scar.
Maybe the whole mind control thing the main witch did on the Padawan messed with him and when they went back to the temple he snapped?
I thought the same thing.
A very moderated take. Balanced as all things should be. I personally didn't like the episode at all, and that is the same for the show so far. I will keep an open mind until the show comes to an end. It isn't really about the different interpretation of the force for me, it is more about the fact that this new take on the force isn't interesting at all. So far as I know creating force sensitive beings via the force is impossible. Anakin was created by the Force itself as a reaction to Darth Plagueis trying to create a force sensitive being. I doubt that a witch would be able to do it, yet a Sith Lord isn't. The way that this episode was filmed and the writing was kind of lackluster for me. Most certainly since it cost 180 million dollars.
I think your point about not making multi-part movies is spot-on. Obviously, if they released it at once, something could be bingeable as a single story, but by releasing it weekly, they’re just handing out incomplete pieces of a 6-hour film (that’s usually filled with extraneous bloat)
I just realized that in the first episode when osha gets a vision of her sister and realizes that she’s alive, her eyes become black like the did when the mother controlled the Jedi padawan (I’m blanking on his name) it could be the mother did something to make her start the fire
This whole acolyte situation is just a fiasco for Disney and Star Wars
I think this latest series just shows how awful the fandom really is.
@@Dopteros It's not fandom the outside politics has nothing to do with the fandom and is outside issues butting in.
The fandom sees bad writing for what it is. Dont be a tool of the megacorp
@@Dopteros I don’t think the fandom is bad it Disney that has corrupted Star Wars and made it what it is now
@@Dopterosright, bad show = bad fandom…
The Star Wars Holiday Special is no longer the WORST Star Wars show on T.V.!
Andor is Awesome! Acolyte is Abysmal. Just my personal opinion
Both canon and legends have numerous force based organizations operating in many different interpretations of the force, and varying levels of proficiency. Over 100 listed on Wookieepedia.
The importance of Anakin was not his birth. While definitely very rare was not solely based on being a 'virgin birth' but that Anakin was a Vergence in the force, he was a living force nexus. That's what made him so powerful and dangerous.
A lot of the knee jerk reactions come from fans who aren't as deeply engrossed in all the existing lore and stories as others, so these concepts when introduced are seen as abrupt changes. Which is not the fault of the viewers, not every fan wants to or should need to know everything about Star Wars. It falls to the way these stories are told. Which unfortunately hasn't been brought into mainstream viewing in a way that informs the viewers properly. It's a difficult thing to bring in obscure lore to engage with fans who know of it, and fans who don't.
Torbin seems to have the scar on his face at the end of the episode
I think the Jedi Showed up because Sol could sense Osha was in danger. Koril probably mind controlled Mae to attack Osha, then did the same thing to the padawan to force him to attack the other jedi, which resulted in his scar. This caused things to escalate resulting in the Jedi wiping them out.
well, I don't think we see the entire picture yet. Only Oshas view so far. So perhaps you are right there
@@darthmop1think? It’s literally the point
That's actually a really good theory
It did break the Jedi lore. No one has ever succeeded in what they did and they basically made twin Anakins. Darth Plagueis tried to do this and the Force said "Hell no" and it created Anakin which would bring balance to the force.
Dude we don't even have the full story yet lmfao Koril literally said "what would the Jedi think if they found how you made them?" That is literally the show SCREAMING at the audience that that will be revealed in upcoming episodes. Media literacy is completely dead
Congrats on 1 mil🎉🎉🎉
Different factions will always view the Force differently
yes, but the point of making shows is to explain the universe and the way they want you too see it.
@@aheath7838 that’s basically what I’m saying
Kind of how the showrunner has a vision and the fans have a vision.
The way George made it is the way ...
No its about telling a story within the IP that some are gifted to work on. Not destroying it bc you have some personal problems. Destroying what others create is pure narcissism
Boot leg night sisters tbh
I don't think we should assume their conception is that similar to that of Anakin, not yet
They already told us in the show it's not the same.
And if it is, Plagueis had to have learned about it from somewhere.
I appreciate your patience! It's refreshing to hear.
*“I sold my babies to the white slavers”*
-George Lucas
*I started SW at 6 & now am a 34yo black man: I HATE ANYTHING Disney has made & walked out TLJ*
The main issue I have is how it feels like they’re cheapening anikan force conception. If the twins truly are conceived without a father then it’s a problem I can’t forgive.
Different people having different views on the force has never been an issue
Acting sucked from the adults, direction clearly has its issues trying to make mystery while leaving out logic
So I understand this take, but I think Anakin was more special because he was to destroy the Sith and bring balance, not specifically because he was born to a virgin mother.
Okay why?
There are most likely countless ways to do it. He'll even the clones were technically without a parent. Just bc they have no father does not mean that the creation was the same.
@@theazurefire91if only he actually did that instead of Palpatines granddaughter lol
@@bandit9667 Yeah, well in Lucas's treatments, Maul and Talon would have been alive during the sequel era and any Dark Sider, not just Sith, unbalances the Force. So it was going to be usurped from him anyway.
Do you think they nailed making a force baby on the first try? Also do you think they would let such a big potential usage of the force be unused for thousands upon thousands of years? No to me it makes a lot of sense there were earlier force babies.
This show really proved to me how media illiterate some of the "fans" are
Hey, nothing wrong with those fans their just heavily deluded and blaming everyone else for not being "true fans" and calling them names.
Am a fan of StarWars I just dislike the Lore only ever watched it because of Scifi Space shooter genre it use to be about I can careless about plotholes.
@aster4jaden I lost faith in that portion of the fandom once I realized these losers actually WANT the show to be bad, like they get more enjoyment from giving into the hate which is ironic considering the message of Star Wars.
@@AriSarrafha we didn't want Star wars to be bad we just want Star wars to take a different direction from being bad due to the fact that it's been mediocre to terrible during the past few years. Andor wasn't that bad as a matter of fact people even praise andor more and more
Hey but keep that same energy it's the same thing that happened to Kenobi each and every episode there's going to be people who have a defense because of copium but until the whole series is finished and we can look at the park completely is when I want to come back to this comment section and see if the phantom just one thing's worse or the fact that the series has already taken a terrible turn in this series has already been a train wreck.
So true
Please stop the clickbait titles, dude. Cheapens your channel and content.
Big facts
I mean the episode kinda is though and even cus of the gay stuff
I don’t see how this is clickbait but okay. I talk about two controversial scenes. If I include more details then I’m spoiling things.
How is it clickbait? The episode is controversial.
@@EckhartsLadder I'm ok with spoiler stuff, cuz I can't watch it (don't have D+) but I want to know what's happening.
Im glad child Osha hasn't followed the trend of being an annoying brat as most main star wars kids start out as. She actually feels like she has the mental potential to be a jedi and not just a force sensitive being.
thank you finally someone who dose not sound like a starkraving lunatic who has valid crticism i was starting to think the fandom had lost its mind
same
literally bro
There's a very easy way to understand the Force controversy: There is this mindset in parts of the star wars fandom that any alternative interpretation of the force or any attempt to demystify it or retcon in new elements to it is somehow sacrilegious.
This is nothing new. From midi chlorians to the mortis gods, the lore behind the Force has always had stuff added to it. And arguably none of it has ever been all that well-received.
As much as I hate the Acolyte you’re dead on the bullseye with that one.
Considering it's going to be important to how this show works, presumably, we don't actually see Mae start the fire at the door.
Please no
Please no
Best anime show/ films recommendations watch than Starwars is being boring todays.
1.Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul
2. Falling Down 1993
3. Scarface
4. Fight Club
5. Tony Soprano
6. Narco series Pablo Escobar
7. American Psycho
8. Starship Troopers
9. Jin Roh: Wolf Bridge
10. Neon Genesis Evangelion series
Bruh Jin Roh is not something you just watch, that shit is a heavy hitter.
No Azumanga Daioh? Fake anime fan.
(jk)
Just watch Grave of the Fireflies and sleep for 2 days bc of the depression. There, now you only need to look up 1 title instead of 10.
It fundamentally undermines lore. It cheapens and weakens Anakin's ark from his conception to his fall. Without a good v evil dynamic you can be a Jedi yet still use formerly dark side powers or be angry all the time without actually falling.
But the jedi are evil dude ! And the space witches are the real OG's !!!
But seriously the whole situation is just sad to see.
I dont know how they think this is what Star wars needs...
I don't at all see how it undermines Anakin in any way. He was born from the Force, and I don't know why it matters how he was born. Two girls being created through the Force is different and plays zero relevance to Anakin
The twins’ conception and anakins are fundamentally different. Anakin was created by the will of the force itself to create balance after sidius and plageuis experimented too much, while the witches did what we can do irl (children from two women) with technology but with magik instead. It’s like comparing a test tube baby to Jesus Christ himself
@@jervistetchMadHater Its agenda writing, Headlande does not care about the IP. This whole show has been bad.
I disagree on all counts. If this were set in the Legends timeline, then yes it breaks lore. But there's nothing in the Disney timeline to say this can't be done.
The magic fire that catches stone walls is absurd. Like, arent those walls stone or some kind of durasteel or other heavy non flammable material? It looks like stone, and if its not its metal made to look like stone. Star Wars doesnt use drywall and wood beams.
And fires burn in outer space as if they were in atmosphere. Star Wars is Star Wars, just enjoy the fantasy that it is.
Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams!
@@Leifthrasir mindless comsoomerism
@@Leifthrasir Its scifi not fantasy.
@@attilamarics3374 There are two kinds of sci-fi, you have hard sci-fi that uses real world physics, I.E. Interstellar & The Expanse. And you have soft Sci-Fi, which doesn't have as much real world physics and has it's own thing going on I.E. Star Wars
And Star Wars even incorporates fantasy elements in the form of the force (magic) and people fighting with laser swords.
It already is
Why would Osha want to join the people who banished her people?
If I remember correctly they never said who banished them, just that they were banished. It could have been the Jedi, or it could have been the Nightsisters, or some other group of Force users.
@@mintedcow sure... i guess.... but the jedi have been in power for hundreds/thousands of years so if not they were carrying out a sentence nobody was enforcing
OSHA making a bad decisions putting fiberglass cotton into her eye while welding without 10 led shades 😂
I mean idk if she would know it was the Jedi even if it was them. Not only was she a kid, she seemed really sheltered not being allowed to leave the compound. So she saw cool space wizards that traveled the galaxy and had a lot of other kids her age and was like sign me up!
@@shnugle4514 when would she have seen them before this? her only perspective of them should be that they are her opressors
I think the implication of how "casually" the coven did what they did compared to the apex of achievement of the Sith and the perception how a simple "different outlook/mindset" seemed to be the only difference pissed people off.
Its similiar how people were infuriated to when Rey managed to overpower Kylo in the power of the Force in TFA, it feels ... underserved.
3:30 the fact that your only “excuse” invokes anything remotely like immaculate conception is too far. We saw it once with Anakin and he was “the chosen one” and the force was supposedly rebounding against Plaguis trying to manipulate it too much.
So is there supposed to be some sort of rebounding effect against the witches? The only other time this happened the galaxy flipped on its head twice in no small part as a result. Anakin’s fingerprints were left in Star Wars for generations after his death, what are the twins’ fingerprints going to be? Changing Jedi robe colors?
1:35 Is Eck gaslighting us right now? This is not the thing people were complaining about, they’re complaining about the “no daddy birth” similar to the Chosen one’s.
Alien and magic why do you care about a force father?
@@HumanB312 I personally don't. I'm just saying that's what the discourse online is about, not about the witches'' thoughts on what the Force acts like.
@@MRDLT00 But as mentioned the twins' story is similar to Anakin's, so there is nothing there we haven't seen/heard before
@@jordanloux3883 Yeah no shit it's nothing we've seen before, everyone knows that already.
People online are arguing if it Should be whats happening when we already have it once in the franchise. A matter of if it's a played out writing troupe or not.
Osha and Mae's conception is really different from Anakin's.
With Osha & Mae you have people utilizing the force to manipulate biology.
With Anakin the force itself caused the conception.
I don't think the Twins ' creation is the same as Anakin's. Anakin was created specifically by the Force. No outside manipulaton.
I think the kids are some kind of Force Clones of the Mother. They don't share any traits with the Zabrak. There's no other children. The ceremony makes it clear that they're purpose is to lead the Coven when the Mother dies. The Zabrak implies that the twins creation was through something taboo/dark. The Coven had to go into hiding. What if that's because they were experimenting with Dark Side Life Manipulation/ Force Alchemy?
Force Cloning would also tie into the Force Sensitive Clone stuff that Disney's been working on.
I have a guess theory that Koril thinks Aniseya created the twins purely by the Force (or as they'd call it the Thread), but she actually hired Kaminoans at a great price to create clone embryos (which she implanted into Koril using Force telekinesis, IVF style).
It's just that the whole thing is plainly based on IVF, which a lot of lesbian couples use to have children. Typically one partner carries the pregnancy while the other provides the eggs. It's a very expensive procedure, so most can only afford to try it once. Because of this, they usually implant multiple embryos and if you're lucky one or two of them will survive.
Note that this show takes place long before The Empire wiped out Kamino - destroying generations of cloning knowledge in the process.
Really just going all in on following the southpark joke template.
Along with just insulting and diminishing the main story. If there were previous force conceptions, it takes the weight away from Anakins. Much like Palpatine surviving.
It's just more of the same for Disney SW, just more intense. Just shows those who made it really just see it as a way to tell the stories they want, rather than a good story in star wars. Which was what many assumed from the beginning and nothing has shown the contrary.
... except that we don't know how anikain or they were creates. Could be totally different methods.
@@emilsinclair4190 First, yes we do know how Anakin was created. Have for a long time. Second, it doesn't matter how they were, the fact alone that they were born of the force diminishes his, it's no longer a singular event.
@theworstcatholic7247 ... no we don't. There were some legends explanation. Recently a comic implied that sideous created him. But there is no official canon answer.
Sorry but yes. The process matters a lot. They might not even be born of the force. They might just literally be the result of force magic mixing the genes of the mother's to create them. Basically force assisted in vitro fertilisation.
This is a totally different concept.
Do you see why saying that it is the same is strange without having more Infos?
@emilsinclair4190 You siting a recent comic doesn't help your argument. Because "Sidious made him" is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. Comics can be garbage too.
@andrewwilliam7890 1 it implies it. It does not state that.
2 garbage, but still canon.
Here is my prediction for the rest of The Acolyte series and it's been in front of us all along....
Since this started, Headland said she wanted to make a "Frozen" meets "Kill Bill"....
Yes, the Jedi killed all of witchbians, and Jedi Master Sol did a "memory wipe/distortion" on Osha thinking her sister started the fire, when it was the Jedi who started it to take the girls away by force. But the "wipe" does not hold and Osha remembers that Mae is alive and tracts her down (ala Frozen kinda...). The sisters concoct a plan to get revenge on the Jedi for killing off the witchbians, and Osha teaches Mae how to control "the thread" and both of them are killing the Jedi in turns (ala Kill Bill). And the villain in the black outfit... Was Osha all along. Dun dun duuuunnnnnn....
This isn't Star Wars anymore. It's become so stupid and unrecognizable
Nah, it's not as bad as Legacy of the Force yet.
Saying that Star Wars wasn't stupid before is reaching, Star Wars was always goofy under George.
@grandsome1 it was but it had a reason. When Han and Leia nearly had their first kiss, 3PO was there for comedic relief. NOW, it's just how many quirky jokes or forced comedy can we fit into something to make up for a lack of action
@@CplVelasco I think he meant more along the lines of "DARK GREETINGS FELLOW MOFFS!" or Luke fighting naked Palpatine.
I'm at a disadvantage as I'm not keen on lore much beyond movies and live action series but...
1. My impression from RoS was that Palpatine revealed Anakin was not 'conceived by the force'. He was created as a result of the methods he and his master discovered.
2. Anakin was not special because he had no father. Him lacking a father was, if anything, bait because it played into the prophecies the Jedi had. (this is strongly tapping the vibe from Dune, esp. the novel)
3. 'Discovered' in #1 has two interpretations. They could have discovered it from scratch, the way Einstein did relativity. In that this is potentially lore breaking. Or they could have discovered it from older knowledge, knowledge passed down in sects that are not Sith or Jedi (such as witches). This implies this ultimately could have been the source of the knowledge used to create Anakin in #1.
4. #2, though, implies another risk to canon. The Jedi in this series cannot learn that the Sith exist or that 'force conception' is possible. If they do then there's a canon problem with TPM as the appearance of a small boy who seems forced conceived just at the moment the Sith reveal themselves again would cause massive problems with accepting Anakin as anything but a plant by the Sith.
I feel that some of these shows would be better received if presented all at once and not on a weekly release schedule. I watched Kenobi as it released and then a couple of months ago I binged all of the episodes one afternoon. I enjoyed it much more this way and it made it clear that it should have been a long movie instead of a series. I think the same will apply to this show.
Yeah or at least dropped the first half so it wouldn’t be all at once but we got a good sense of where the story is going
I think the fire was the Sith Lord who sabotaged the generators or fuel lines, or something. And the jedi were lured into the building and were caught in a confrontation, as planned. So the Jedi and Mai think they started the fire by accident. Osha thinks Mai started the fire. And the Sith Lord has a grieving and vengeful young apprentice to snatch up.
Right now, my theory is that they're a Sith experiment that went wrong, with 1 being split into 2. A trial run for what would eventually be successful with Anakin. I'm also assuming that the unknown Sith killed the not Nightsisters to drive a schism between the 2, so 1 could be trained by him, while the other could go to the Jedi and probably cause issues there. It fits in with the basic canon of the Sith, and damaging the jedi in any way is a win for them.
Plus, and I may be wrong about this, but I think this episode may be the start of the Jedi taking in padawans as infants, and not kids; we've seen what happens when the Jedi remember their families.
But it cheapens Anakin's birth if its something that can happen more than once
@@Lungorthin666 Not really, if Anakin is the success and other "failures" came before that doesn't cheapen it at all. In fact it does the opposite. However from how I interpreted it from the show, I don't think it is at all similar to Anakin. I think its more similar to nightsister rituals.
@@unincognito3689 In the Plagueis novel it's heavily implied that Anakin was created because the force was lashing back against the sith for the rituals they'd been performing to slowly turn the force to the dark and take the Jedi's power. The idea that the sith just straight up created Anakin comes from a single panel in a comic as well as non canon rumor about the original ROTS script. It's clear George didn't want to go in that direction but yall keep acting like that was the law.
In summary Anakin was created by THE FORCE not the sith.
@@unincognito3689 Gotta disagree. Plagueis spent his whole life as a Sith to figure out a way to create life and stop people from dying. In doing so, the Force pushed back and created the chosen one. Now you can say that's not canon, that's fine. But there shouldn't be "failures and successes" in creating being from the Force. The reason why Anakin is special is because he's the ONLY one born of the Force.
@@theslimreaper8043 Ok, I want to make two things clear because I get why you've come to this conclusion.
1. I don't think Anakin was created by the Sith, I think its a cool theory. I was just responding to the discussion since that is what the OC was talking about.
2. I tried to clarify but clearly didn't clarify enough, when I say "I don't think it is at all similar to Anakin. I think its more similar to nightsister rituals." I'm talking about Anakin being created by THE FORCE not the sith. That's why I compare it to the Nightsister rituals. Because its heavily implied in the show itself that its clearly not similar to Anakins birth, since Mother Aniseya herself says she created them.
If the Sith created Anakin theory was true, then there would be similarities. But its not.
A balanced take. I've agreed with the naysayers on this one, but not for the same reasons. Like you, I don't think the witches referring to the Force as "the Thread" is a problem at all. The virgin birth thing is just silly to me in general, including with Anakin, but it does sit a little oddly that there have been others. But that's not the main problem.
The main problems for me are mostly the kinds of things you list: Unwatchable child acting, boring, boring cinematography, boring characters. Mid-way through Episode 3, I just thought: "I am watching this out of obligation. Why am I doing this?" I felt the same way with Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka, and Obi-Wan Kenobi. I think I'm just going to stop here.
I'm happy you realized you didn't have to watch something you don't enjoy. I'm proud of you. This is a show I had absolutely no motivation to watch, as I finish Bad Batch & Tales of The Empire back to back. For me, I'm just burnt out on Star Wars.
"This isn't about good or evil, it's about power!" I'm sorry but this is what a lot of evil villains say, and I think it's bizarre that they're portrayed as good noble people or even as neutral. As if there's no problem with it. It's troubling that Disney pushes such a philosophy, among other things. I think they're seriously amoral and are spreading toxicity.
I'm sorry you think these witches are good guys when they're using the dark side? This is why Star Wars fans are getting hit with illiteracy comments from normies.
I think it’s more about how it’s from the twins’ perspective. They think their mother is benevolent and kind even though she’s most likely a villain (kind of like how anakin saw palpatine)
I'm 100% sure they are trolling. 'Ok, let's just find out the level of absoulte stupidity the simps will still accept'. 100% sure.
I'm fine with exploring different cults of unaligned force users
I'm fine with the cult philosophy being akin to "light-side Nightsisters"
I'm fine with the parallel Osha/Mae light/dark twin storyline
I am NOT fine with taking what made the Chosen One special and recycling it.
Anakin Skywalker is 1-of-1
I think the idea is that Anakin was legitimate and the twins are an abomination in some way. Like trying to use science to create a body that can use the force kept making people like snoke that were deformed and rotting.
Okay strange hill to die on. Why do you have a problem with it? We don't know how anikain came into existence. So we don't know if the methode was the same
@@emilsinclair4190 technically we do, the force itself made him as a means to bring balance due to what plagus and palpatine had been doing
@FredBstar3K that was a legends explanation. As far as I know we don't have a explanation in canon yet. And even this explanations was not specific.
@@emilsinclair4190 to be honest at this point things are just getting more and more confusing, all there is retcon after retcon with fans getting at each other's throats
The witches were pretty unsubtly referencing what Palpatine told Anakin in the theater scene ("abilities some might consider to be unnatural"? Were people even listening?). There was nothing there that we haven't had since the prequels. This is clearly meant to be tied to the origins of Darth Plaqueis's life-giving powers. I really dont get how anyone could come away from this episode thinking there was some fundamental change to how the force works.
Flammable Rocks.
This show really doesn't understand Fire
To be fair, there ARE flammable rocks... but I bet these weren't them.
@typhonviserys8288 no intelligence is going to build their temple on something so unstable.
Yeah, and the convective combustion in the vacuum of space in ep. 1 wasn't any better.
has star wars ever understood fire?? ever since the beginning of star wars there has been fire and sounds in space even though it makes no sense. if this is the thing you criticise you must be really desperate to find something to complain about :/
@@doctorcreeps2169there hasnt been fire per say in space just explosions and fuel igniting,these never looked like a campfire, something that in the acolyte with more budget than dune2 has.
The sound in space is not a problem because it was stablished early on and thus why nobody complained about it in the acolyte.
Maybe if you weren't a mindless cosoomer you would have got it.
They lost me when they proved that they don't know the basics of space with fire in a vacuum. Like, how did that get through writers, editors, etc and make it to the final cut? Pure negligence.
Dude chill, the movie Gravity failed to understand gravity. It won best director and cinematography and was nominated for best picture and you are criticizing space fantasy for not being realistic. Get a grip.
I definitely agree with most of your criticisms.
We will get more flashback scenes (or another full flashback episode? please no), so why not space these scenes out throughout the season, as you say. It could have helped with the pacing/editing of the earlier episodes.
The production value issues are almost immoral. There are so many creative people in this world, who do so much with so little. The fortunes spent on these shows feel wasted. I just don't understand how Disney just keeps accepting the genuinely incompetent work being done on these projects. It's soooo much money, and they can't even be arsed to nail the basic elements of filming.
Actually I find this episody pretty interesting, precisely because you see the different ideologies about the same thing (the force) from the point of view of a child, and I'm pretty sure that will be an episode of the same... but from an adult point of view too, and learn what really happened there.
But yes, not much great acting from the "extras" in this episode.
This guy is the Daniel Green of the starwars community. Straw man’s peoples complaint, tries to cope about it not being that bad but at the end acknowledging some bad parts of it usually superficial stuff. It’s just pandering to everyone which is fine if he didn’t aggressively misrepresented the real arguments against the plot
I literally have no problem with this episode and makes me even more convinced that there are only two types of Star Wars fans, 1. Those who laugh at the novelty of Luke Skywalker throwing his lightsaber over his shoulder and 2. Those who have existential crisis/tantrums because he (Star Wars) didn't act according to 'plan'. I am so sick this fabricated controversy constructed by the 'I hate the new Star Wars' industry. I actively tried to find something outlandish with this plot after hearing it sucked for a week and the best I can come up with is the room burned real quick, which 1. It's fucking space fantasy and 2. Maybe the planet has a higher oxygen content then Earth. I also can't help but recognize that this was a minority heavy episode and suddenly there's contrived controversy. Wouldn't be the first time Star Wars hated on Star Wars project because non-white people played a big part with it. I love Star Wars but hate Star Wars fans. NOTHING IS WRONG WITH BREAKING THE BACK OF STAR WARS LORE. Embrace change you troglodytes.
Why are most criticisms of this show that I have seen so far about fire in space, Jedi not being stab-proof and minorities (for some reason) or just people saying "it's dumb" without elaborating?
Especially when there are actual bigger and dumber issues to point out:
-Like why would Mae use a poison specifically from her homeworld and then also leave the vial behind for the Jedi to discover other than for the reason that the plot has to happen?
-Or why did Torbin, despite apparently expecting Mae to arrive, wait until the second night (other than for the plot to happen because she can't leave until the Jedi and Osha arrive)?
-Or why would a prison transport only have droid guards that can be hacked?
-Or why would they give whatever that creature was on the one prisoner's face to him for being too dangerous but not the former Jedi suspected of murder?
-Or why does Mae walk around everywhere in the same outfit instead of a disguise despite knowing there are living witnesses who can easily recognize her since she is pretty distinct looking (other than to maybe frame her sister but apparently she didn't even know she was still alive)?
But no, I guess it's bad because fire in space (which is dumb, yes, but not the biggest issue), a Jedi got killed with a knife (the way it happens is dumb, sure, but the Jedi are not stab-proof afaik like I'm pretty sure penetrating their heart with a sharp metal object will still kill them) and minorities (grow the fuck up, please).
X wings and TIE fighters have flown like fighter aircraft in the vacuum of space since A New Hope so I don’t know why everyone cares about the adherence to physical laws now all of a sudden. It’s a space opera, not hard science fiction, it is allowed to break some rules for dramatic effect.
One thing I wanna mention which I feel is not being discussed, there is no way Mae killed all the witches. The scene around the 9:05 minute mark seems to me like something else is going on at the witch coven.
To me it seemed like maybe the reactor might be sabotaged, it does blow up later in the episode. And you can't convince me some ten year old did that.
I wouldn't be surprised if they did another flashback from a different perspective. Maybe the Jedi actually killed the witches, that would explain Master Torbin's guilt when he drank the poison. And also Maes's anger towards the Jedi who were there that night.
Also, another theory I have is that maybe the witches did create the twins without a “father” but not in the same miraculous birth Anakin was made. Like Snoke in the new trilogy, maybe the twins were made in some lab and then put inside the witch to grow like normal. If true this would explain why the Jedi would kill a whole coven of witches, and blow up their home to destroy the evidence. They are making force-sensitive children unnaturally and I could see how this would anger the Jedi.
If I am correct this doesn't really break Star Wars lore as far as I know.
The show is mid but not as bad as everyone is suggesting. I would hold out complete judgment on it until all episodes are released.
Different perspective on the Force is not the issue. The issue is everything else lol. Trivialising Anakin's origin for one.
Y'know everyone hate the virgin birth back in 1999 right? Why is everyone defending it now?
It really doesn't, Anni was made by the force itself as a backlash to Palps and plaguey medling , and is both light and dark,
Mae and Osha where made by a coven with intent and one embodies the dark side and the other light.
@@JackJohnson-hk3dd
1. The 1st thing is not even mentioned in the movies, aside from the spiel about Plagious in RoTS. Anakin's birth remained mostly a mystery in the prequels.
2. If papls and his master can't do it, and as we know they are a result of a rather large"family tree" of sith lords, then these witches should not be able to do it either. This is a random force cult, not rule of 2 doctrine descendants. It just paints the sith as incompetent twats.
3. It trivialises anakin's story and origin because any feckin' force cult can do it now. Any force cult could produce a sudo chosen one.
4. The rest of the episode is also a dumpster fire. Burning stone, witches legit deciding not to run away and all keeling over dead, dead all in one spot, making further mockery of the Jedi... what else do you need to see this atrocity for what it is? 20% on RT is not enough?
Nah, this sounds like the exact same cope that people gave for the halo series.
who is watching that show? oh barely anyone.
@@breakupgoogle same can be said with acolyte
At least halo did the decent thing and set it in another timeline.
@@gimzod76 true, but still hurt to see how badly they fumbled the bag.
They basically wasted a 45 minute episode to give us this flashback, most of the details we already knew about so there was no tension. If they broke this backstory up and showed us the important parts within other episodes it wouldn’t have been so boring
Solid critic, still enjoyed the episode.
Thank God somebody who isn’t immediately jumping on the bandwagon and making an ass out of themselves. an actual fair and reasonable critique thank you.
Finally a nuanced take on this. I don’t particularly like episode 3, but I’m waiting for it all to play out. We’re obviously going to see the events from multiple perspectives moving forward and hopefully it’ll bring things together.
They cast twins that are not identical when it is essential they are idential later in life...
why not just use 1 actress like the adult version
I think they did it so that we can tell which sister is which.
Probably child labor laws. Child actors can only work so many hours, and hair, makeup and wardrobe count towards that time.
@@mintedcow SInce when has that stopped Harvey assistant in the past. ;)
Noticed the same thing right away. As a fraternal twin myself, the casting decision took me right out of the story.
@@gimzod76based
can we talk about the fire.... like how it spread inside a stone room... and cause the stone fortress to be engulf in fire???
From a page to a castle in seconds they were all dead haha the power of maaaaannnneeeeeeeyyy
Its a shame this show is so poorly written and directed that it can't properly express its ideas. There are some interesting concepts but its so bad its making the BoBF look like Andor.
Everything the witches say and do is contradictory. Point blank period. It’s a terrible show. Nothing makes sense and it’s a clear fan fiction for Leslie headland
Eck, you're great, but your comment section is insufferable.
I thought the episode was very interesting but clunky. The conception of the twins is very interesting and I don't see how it cheapens Anakin. My main issue with this episode is the pacing, but at the same time, the series is only 3 episodes in.
This is tame compared to what I've seen.
So basically, after reading many comments and watching a few videos, the only answer to the "WTF" moments is "just you wait, there's is something else going on". I am glad I didn't start watching the show.
My dude coping just like he does with every new show untill the end when he somewhat admits its mediocre.
His wokeism blinds him.
The chanting of the Witches was just so god-awful cringe lol. "The power of one, the power of two, the power of manyyyyyyy"
That's Star Wars. The franchise has always been about playing melodrama completely straight
@@jordanloux3883 Okay but the writing has never been this cringe lol, well except the sequel trilogy
@@NixonRules963 Attack of the Clones has Obi-Wan get important information about the existence of the clone army at a 50s diner.
@@jordanloux3883 Yes and?
@@jordanloux3883 It's literally PowerpuffGirls' "Sugar, Spice and Everything Nice" creation theme, except this isn't meant to be goofy and childish... yet it actually is; So bad that it becomes cringe, on top of that.
It was awful.
How
The real problem is that the Witches were able to create a twin force user equivalent to Anakin the "Chosen One" by just plucking and manipulating the so-called Tread, their version of the Force.
Darth Sidious and Darth Plagueis were so dumb to even realize this technique since they mastered the force to a transcendental degree, yet they never realized this simple trick.
they literally could have created billions of Anakin Level Clones in 1 go by just plucking some treads and manipulating it to create a physical embodiment of the force, this series is very amusing and interesting for a show that was based on Star Wars with a story that was not Star Wars. Ohh BTW even though Star Wars was not a Hard Sci-Fi story but a Fantasy and a Sci-Fi genre, the scene where they were putting out a fire in Space like any normal fire in an atmospheric room blew my mind, 'cause it's shouting this is not really Star Wars but Star Wars Parody.
Like another comment mentioned though, the twins birth is different than Anakins and doesn't really take away from him being the chosen one. But I think considering the time period, the possibility that the force can be manipulated to that point is something Plageuis would then come across perhaps.
As far as the fires in space go, I think George Lucas himself was basically like "yeah obviously that doesn't work in real life, but the 'space' in starwars is more like an Ether". Basically just movie magic, part of the suspension of disbelief. If you're going to get in a tussle about fires in space, I hate to tell you that people can't make lightning come out of there hands.
I dunno man. I didn't like the first two episodes and I thought this one was particularly offensive. It was almost Last Jedi sorts of bad. And if the twins were born of the Force, it sort of cheapens Anakin's birth as the chosen one.
Not to mentions it's just shot and paced so poorly as mentioned in the video.
only cheapens anakins birth if you see the force as made for him, its not. the force, special powers, strong force users, and unique abiltiies existed long before anakin and will exist long after.
@@Mmmm-tx6qc I don't see it as made for him at all. He's the chosen one though, he's special. The Force willed him to exist. If any force user can will beings into existence like their mother said she did, then it cheapens it.
@@Lungorthin666 Hes not the only special one, Mae and Osha were special one hundred years before his time. Considering they were not born of a father, they are also born of the force, its not implied that any old force user can just make more force sensitives, thats a bad faith interpretation based off no information, it is however, implied that the force has something to do with their conception which would be the force enforcing its will, just like with Anakin a century later, for a different purpose though.
@Mmmm-tx6qc sorry but we're going to have to agree to disagree. It doesn't matter what purpose they're born for. It should be the Force's will alone, not someone manipulating the Force to do so. Anakin should be unique in that sense imo