"First set food" doesn't mean being born, at all. It's more related to discovering a new land (aka the first place the Numen arrived in the Land Between. It wasn't the land of Shadow back then, but another region of the realm- that part whas confirmed by Myazaki himself. Marika "veiled" it away later. You get sooo much wrong, you should watch other creators videos.
Didn’t one of the two fel omen brothers have his horns removed? Maybe the lion dancer puppet master was someone that had access to them, while connected to godwyn from a distance.
I was thinking after hearing Myazaki saying that its an older culture could mean that these were people who still worship the Crucible and weren't changed to the faith of the Erdtree and the "Omen Lion" design could be their version of our Lion dances. Just an idea, because we haven't heard much on the Crucible.
Seriously. It's been a ton of games, let's hope he actually did it right this time. Probably not. If there is one thing about Fromsoft, they don't learn from their mistakes.
9:41 someone pointed out that by pre-ordering you get access to a emote that makes the character model imitate the glowing shape and get this the emote is called…Miquella’s Rune. The shape is Miquella’s great rune.
Anyone else feels like the Lion Dancer boss may have 2 stages where once we defeat him in phase 1 all the dancers under the costume would attack us in form of 2 or even 3 seperate entities in phase 2.
Thank you. Someone else that makes the connection that Miquella's Soul left his body. From the transcript in the reveal trailer: "Divesting himself of his flesh, his strength, his lineage. That's why he was unresponsive to Mohg inside his cocoon.
@nuSneed i dont recall ever saying it was gwyn who deleted the firstborn from history, just used the example relative to the whole "scrubbed from history books" part.
Idk how people don’t see that floating Rune at 9:20 as Miquella’s rune. It’s pretty clear because the DLC is about Miquella, the color of the symbol is his unalloyed gold, and the preorder bonus gives us a gesture called “Ring of Miquella” where the player makes a shape identical to that of that symbol It’s Miquella’s Great Rune, or at least a fraction of it. Please upvote this so bro sees it And as @hypername1 said below, the Halo Scythe of the servants of Miquella is shaped like that Rune too
Sometimes people just refuse to accept the most obvious shit. I remember being absolutely baffled how people didn't instantly assume the Zonai were the Zonai when the TOTK art leaked.
Another thing that supports this theory that I haven't seen anyone point out is that the halo scythe, wielded by the cleanrot knights, shares almost the exact same shape as that rune, so its possible that the design of the scythe was based off the rune.
Going off of your theory on the lion dance. Miyazaki did say this was from a culture before the Erdtree and we also know that foresight is a real thing in Elden Ring from the prophet set. I’m thinking that this dance was meant to celebrate incomplete visions of Markia and Godfrey’s future children. Omen horns, gold lightning, and blonde hair brought together by a mighty lion representing Godfrey.
29:39 THANK YOU, I kept seeing everyone say this might be a sleep spell when it literally matches the colors of the bewitching branch way more than any of the sleep items
48:03 I think its possible that Miyazaki doesn't necessarily mean Hero in that context. When looking at the question - about Elden Ring being structured like a heroic tale - this more means that Messmer is a big player in the narrative of the Shadow Lands. He's a significant figure, on par with the demigods we've face before and isn't a "lore outcast" with no interesting background. It does not mean he is, was, or will be a traditionally heroic archetype.
it 100% does when you take the context that the theme of heroes will remain the same. he doesnt just say messmer is a hero on its own, he clearly says that messmer is a hero much like how there are other heroes in elden ring that we fight that are not inherently evil people. i even stated hes not a generic hero but a tragic one
"Touch the Withered arm and travel to the realm of Shadow, I will not be far behind." It doesn't seem like this line coming from Miquella would make sense, because we are supposed to be following Miquella into the realm of shadow, not the other way around.
@@wtf_is_this_handle_shitnah there was an image idk if leaked or they dropped it but it shows miquella on torrent on the land of shadows already I do think we are following him. And they said he let go of his flesh and lineage to get there as we see his lifeless body at mogs palace. So it wouldn’t make sense for miquella to be following us into the land of shadows
Miquella’s voice was in the game preview trailer of 2021. It was very striking and I found it odd that the voice never appeared in game. However in 2024 we now know that is the voice of Miquella.
@@chesuriel1138 look up the overview trailer. It’s absolutely not Ranni or Melina’s voice. I actually thought it was Ranni’s pre-launch and then I played the game and hers is higher.
@daveyjoneslocker4703 ahhhhh ok now I hear after watching it. Also realized I've never seen the vid, that must've released after I told myself not to watch anything else on the game, wanted to go in as blind as possible lol
it's a presenter's voice. said presenter doesn't have to have a character in game, and if they did, they would express differently than this. saying it's the same voice as the new trailer outro is also jumping to conclusions. it is pretty close though don't get me wrong, could be the same person in and out of role
@@aesonone there’s absolutely nothing wrong with jumping to a conclusion. This is lore speculation for a video game, not a court case or open heart surgery. Also it’s OBVIOUSLY a presenter first and foremost, that goes without saying but it is often the case that a narrator who is obviously a talented voice actor who does marketing presentation voiceovers is also present in the project as a voice actor for a character. It’s extremely common in many mediums and just makes sense. Also at the end of the day the voices ARE similar and it’s almost certainly the same person.
I thought at first that it was going to be Godwyn underneath that because he’s all disfigured from the death root and can’t walk, but then I saw the legs. I know he has a fish bottom but it still would be cool
but how it could be Godwyn, if Godwyn didn't exist before the Erdtree. That beast is derived from a ancient culture before the Erdtree so... good teory thou, if Godwyn were an animal, it would be a golden lion for sure, but for my understanding the dates don't add up.
the only problem i could think of is that how would these people get the power to wield lightning if they are from a far a away land and never saw Godwyn? They must have gotten that power from somewhere
@@ArnimKuqi if Mesemer is there, and Marika went there, I don’t see why someone like Godwyn or Miquella wouldn’t be able to make it there if they wanted to or set their mind on it. Shiiiiitt who knows, maybe there’s more to them than we know. And I know it’s like stuff from before the crucible, but Miyazaki said it isn’t in the past or anything, it’s in the present time. Although it does seem like this place is kind of untouched by the lands between as it stands now. I don’t know, I’m so damn excited for this DLC. Oh and Godwyn got the lightning power from the dragons right? And they were around from before the crucible. Could explain why they both wield it.
ok im not gonna lie when i commented i didn't look at any of the comments but i basically said the same thing down to the time stamp and the "cross guard" lol
Messmer being the blasphemous ruler of the Shadowlands a place where sinful things live reminds me of lucifer from paradise lost ruling hell as the king of sin. I also get devil vibes from him.
st Trina could be mother still … and we all think it’s merrika but either way is fine .. I like your idea as well .. the only thing is I feel like miquella came here for Godwyn .. either to bring him back somehow or rest his spirit in peace .. fia also told us the god of death would return .. they can’t give us everything in the trailer .. we all know when there’s death in the lands between they return to the erd tree .. but since godwyns soul was only taken .. maybe the shadows is where the soul goes if not guided back to the light
It makes sense because Morgott called the thrones "traitors all" but Messmer wouldn't be considered a traitor because he only kills graceless I guess which still lines up with the ideals of the Golden Order under Morgott.
A theory that I came up with for the lion is that it is meant to represent the omens and has something to do with the omen killers. Like you said, the the golden lions are meant to symbolize the erdtree and I think that a disfigured lion covered in horns perfectly represents how most of the lands between saw the omens. A crude mockery of man devoid of grace. Although, I have no idea where the lighting plays into all this.
This is the best trailer analysis I have seen so far The details you noticed I don't think anyone else noticed are amazing And the two theories are amazing Hats off to you
im cookin up a miquella lore video should be posted tomorrow! cant wait for you to see that one as i feel its way more put together than even this video!
This is my pesonal favorite analysis Video and your messmer is a hero theory makes sense even miyazaki said in an interview that messmer is something of a hero himself
@@syrobe To be fair, all the Elden Ring shardbearers were supposed to be sort of heroic. That's at least what GRR Martin had in mind when he created them. All Miyazaki did though is take those heroic concepts and corrupt them into their worst forms, essentially turning all the demigods into neccesarily morally questionable antiheroes at best and absolute monsters at worst. I am pretty damn sure that's what he was referring to when he called Messmer a "hero".
Maybe that symbol the knight is in front of is a smaller version of Miquella's great rune that he left to guide us. Kind of like Gael left pieces of cloth to guide us in the Ringed City in DS3.
I think that rune may be our “bonfire” i dont think there are grace sites in the new area. Miyazaki said we will be following miquella’s “footsteps” in the new lands.
I just recently started Elden Ring, and I've started watching a lot of your videos. I was waiting for a DLC analysis video, but 1 Hour is a lot more than I thought you would get from 3 minutes of trailer. Great job man. Keep up the amazing content!
In the first dungeon area that you showed, lava guy walking up, I believe the player has a rapier in his main hand and a staff in the other but the sheath of the rapier makes it look like a cross.
Just in regards to the bit on light travelling, all light travels infinitely, but it may become absorbed in the process of travel. While this is not always the case, red light tends to be absorbed the fastest of all colours, so much so that many deep water fish develope red camoflage, because its as effective as being completely black at that depth. The reason a sunset is a different colour is because the atmosphere tends to scatter blue light fairly strongly, when the atmosphere is thinner, this doesn't happen too many times and the blue light coats the sky, but when the atmosphere becomes thicker, like when the light as coming in at a relative angle to where we are on the planet, the light scatters so much that we can barely see it at all, leaving behind other wavelengths like yellow and red. This can depend on the thickness and nature of that section of the atmosphere, which is why sunsets are usually different depending on where you go. For this reason, I reckon the red light is almost entirely stylistic, as red colours and factions are generally shown through the game to be oppositional to the gold that represents "good" such as Leyndell and the heretics of Gelmir, co-operators vs recusants and so on. Especially given this area is ravaged by a man who alligns himself with everything that is against the golden order.
You're definitely the first to reference Godwyn. I assumed the same thing when I saw the lion boss. I can't believe no other channel was able to catch that.
The idea that the lion dancer is some reference to Godwynn is interesting, but the chained up and de-horned golden lions we find in the lands between seem to imply that these creatures ARE/WERE real, and that at some point when the crucible wasn't shunned, they where heralds of power, so iconic that they were used as symbol for the original round table hold, the tarnished (presumably) before they went on their long march and abandoned the lands between. So I think it's more likely that the golden lions are more an organic symbol that was worshipped long before it was adopted as a symbol for Godrick. And the golden tree might be the version of the erd tree that was destroyed in the shadow realm. Would make sense since the round table hold also has iconography of a large erd-tree like tree, that has distinctly different artwork than the 'erdtree faithful' version of the same symbol. Two trees, two cultures. Marika came from the realm of shadow. Her first lord was the lord of tarnished, who presumably came from the culture that worshipped/reverred the crucible and the golden lions. After Mesmer's betrayal in the realm of shadow, omens, omen horns, and the crucible itself, were deemed heretical.
Another thing about the Lightning in the Lion Dancer boss fight is that the Lightning is Yellow. Only the player is able to use this lightning in game because of how incantations work. Any other enemy and in the game has red lightning because they are either worshiping the Ancient Dragons or ARE Ancient Dragons. The Lion Dancer could be worshiping Godwyn and thats how their Lightning is Yellow
@@johnrich4953Dude, I want a weapon that can cast spells so bad just like in DS3. This DLC is going to have one otherwise why hhave 8 extra weapon classes! this is nuts
Yep. I saw that lion and with the golden hair immediately thought of Godwyn and doubled down when I saw it use lightning. I think that Godwyn will be the biggest threat in the game with Miquella helping to ultimately stop the god of death
The lion is just the head of a lion swung around by two omens stacked on top of each other, and Miyazaki also confirmed this lion as well as the theme of the boss fight originates from a long forgotten culture in the Lands of Shadow
Also in relation to the twinblade the character is using to fight Messmer, it's the same twin blade being used by the knight boss when the player character is doing the monk style kick attack. So most likely the reward for defeating that knight. We also know it's a boss as there is a fog wall in the background.
What if Mesmer chased Marika out of the realm of Shadows? She fled to the Land Between to grow her own Erdtree, and what if he was behind the death of Godwyn and she shattered the ring to find a champion to beat Mesmer?
Thank you for talking about godwyn with the lion I'm getting a serious inclination we might see godwyn in some form. Because Godwyn as we know, was very protective and/or close to the twins Miquella/Malenia. This is mostly about Miquella and I think because of that we might run into godwyn.
Am I the only person who thinks Messmer's spears look very similar to the giant briar spears that are impaling the dead fire giants on the Mountain Top of the Giants?
Theorizing that the painting of the couple being Marika’s parents is actually interesting and makes sense. If it truly is the place she was born, it would make sense to see her heritage
Did anyone else notice that the black stuff coming off messmers flame look like tree roots or tree branches? i wonder if theres some symbolism there. Great video by the way, well done sir.
the sepents have wings, this could mean that they are infant dragons as dragons are since medieval times depicted as serpents with wings and legs. we also know that myazaki loves to take inspiration from berserk and it is speculated that messmer is inspired by grunbeld who in the front page of "the flame dragon knight" is showed as having a very similar helmet and red hair. he is also heavily tied with flames and dragons and if those sepents are infant dragons then the ties between messmer and grunbeld go beyond just looks. the dragon incantation crest also holds a symbol similar to that of messmers flame symbol, and messmer has eyes resembling the dragon communion eyes. and we can also see that messmer is inspired by vlad the impaler. we can see many spears coming up from the ground in his bossfight like the stakes vlad used against his enemies. now this could go further as vlad is also the inspiration for vampires.
Another thing I may be wrong on but you continue to refer to Mohgwyn as a person. Mohgwyn was the palace. The Character name was Mohg, the lord of Blood
It might not correlate to Mesmer but the rot duelist on the mountain of giants has a grab attack that makes a snake appear from his body too. It's also interesting that he stands at the edge of the mountain looking far into the horizon like he is looking for something close
Everyone is looking over the fact that Mogh could be a simple chess piece in a bigger plan by Miquella. Again, Ranni did something similar to remove the influence/control of the two-fingers.
There is so much more to unpack. The 8 new weapon types and the official images on twitter that show some new things as well like soldiers wielding harpoons and the player character using a spell that looks exactly like that big monster uses at 33:47.
I still think the Frenzied Flame ending was the best one for the Lands Between. Every time someone takes the throne, it will rinse and repeat, you'll get usurped and eventually, they will too. Hit that restart button and hopefully it'll get better for the next batch that co.e from the ashes
This sis a great video but PLEASE learn the pronunciations of the characters. Literally every name you say I got distracted because of pronunciation mistakes. Not just names either, but maybe run it by someone first because words like sepia and such are also mispronounced. No need to bring the quality down with something that isn’t that important but can easily take someone out paying attention to what really matters.
This is the best theory/analysis I've seen so far. I think the shunned child because he pissed merika off makes perfect sense. At some point she was loyal to the erd tree, so burning it = bad. Some things I'm thinking, is maybe some of the reason flames and Snakes are bad is because mesmer (I know there's other reasons too). Also maybe miquela is after mesmers flame because he's able to burn erd trees aka defy the outer gods influence. Miquela and rani have have similar goals of defying the outer gods.
About 15:50, I think the weapon the player has in their left hand might be a staff or spear, and the thing next to it is probably a sheath for the sword in their right hand
I think the golden lion is a representation of Marika rather than Godwin, the braided hair is just sticking on to me too much I think it’s their way of mourning Marikas departure
Yeah I was originally thinking that lion is the desecrated carcass of Sarosh, but then I realized he doesn’t die until the Godfrey fight. It’s definitely an effigy mocking Godwyn. Perhaps hidden optional bosses will be available if certain plot flags have occurred. The center area where the Land of Shadow is touches on all map regions. Maybe The various DLC areas will be tied to each area ‘ripped out’ of the Golden Order reality.
i think that glowing rune thing is the new check point / site of grace, since it seems to be planted in the grass. this would make sense, since we have divested of Grace to get here, so we’d need a new fast travel/check point mechanic.
Would like to say the focus on more niche subjects is very much appreciated, there's plenty of channels that spew the obvious and it's great to see more content that's around stuff like this.
Thanks for that! I tried my best! somethings i even feel differently about now but this was 2 days after the initial trailer and i believe i did fairly well to not state the obvious!
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the unusually large gap between the throne's during the Morgott cutscene. I've always noticed that and found it odd and am glad to finally have a theory for it.
What if Messmer is the original soul body of the destined death and that’s why she took him far away from the land since she didn’t want something like death to be among them , but couldn’t bare kill her own child so she vanished him away and any trace about him.
Something that comes to mind is the tie of the name Messmer, which is very close to "Mesmer" of Franz Anton Mesmer. He theorized the existence of a process of natural energy transference occurring between all animate and inanimate objects; this he called "animal magnetism", later referred to as mesmerism. Today we refer to this as hypnosis. I could see these themes playing out in the game. Even if it's not directly in there, I can't imagine this naming collision has gone unnoticed by the game writers.
I know this has been pointed out a dozen times already, but around 15:50, those enemies wielding a sword with a "long cross guard" are actually just dual-wielding a straight sword and a staff. The "cross guard" is just the sheath of their main hand sword!
The lion theory actually really makes sense. The minute you slowed the video down and I saw it was multiple people I was thinking it may be a theater theme. Maybe they are cursed to inhabit their costumes? That is a fairly common trope. If they were trying to depict a story we know it reminds me of the way the villagers played Toph in the last air bender.
There is a statue depicting that guy pulling whatever out of his head near the finger reader outside Luernia academy... he is surrounded by weird flowers and branches and is holding that thorny stick...
Most likely Messmer's weapon is melting because he used it to impale the Erdtree. It could also be that since he impaled it setting it in flames it resulted in the Erdtree dying in Lands in Between as the tree we see is basically a Golden hologram pretty much. That could also be the reason why Elden Beast was dissatisfied with Marika and ended up crucifying her blaming her for what Messmer actually did. Also one of the collector's editions for base game came with a statue of Malenia and one with her helmet. Now we get one edition with a statue of Messmer and one with his helmet. Would bet my money on that we will get a third DLC that will eventually conclude the story of Miquella with an edition of his statue and one where we have his helmet. In the base game we were looking for Malenia and Miquella, in the DLC we are looking for Miquella trying to undo what his brother did and in the second one we finally catch up to Miquella and have to defeat him because in reality what he was doing wasn't so noble after all. 🤔 Or something along those lines.
15:52 for anyone who was wondering, it’s not a new weapon it’s just the rapier sheath that is overlapping the staff that the prisoner class starts with, hope this helps.
What if the person in the dress is ehhemm.. st.trina? Hence why they claim they will see you after entering the land of shadow as stated in the trailer. I also grasp that Trina is miquella, but what if he's hiding his appearance from the player and mesmeer, that guy might not know Trina is a mask to move around in secrete.
The screen shot of the lion at 32:48 makes him look like he is so happy lol it threw me off a bit, like don’t smile at me bro I know your really trying to kill me
I believe that the shadow of the erd tree is the land that could be. Mezmer being a reflection of a malevolent God culminated from the evil forces we know from the lands between. With his armor being reminiscent of the snake with the ribbons appearing. His form and use of fire magic being reminiscent of the giants fell god. His spear resembling that of deaths blight. His eyes that of those that devour dragons almost being completly confimed by his armor that is reminisent of the drake knights armor. The section holding his spear being that of the sanguine choosen of mogh. Then looking at his form with elongated emaciated arms and legs I think mezmer is actually miquila. I think that appn entering the land of shadow the outer gods are bidding for a champion....bestowing power to him for his ascension.
That player character you showed at the start with the symbols is likely the character we saw in the opening shot with the bodyless white robe This same character seems to be wearing a white robe with the same style of faded embroidery in the robe itself on the back. It is more likely that this character will be an NPC in the realm of shadows same as the knight in the next shot after that in the sunset.
Here’s a thought. He was there for the war against the Giants. The fight wasn’t launched from Leyndell, it was launched from the realm of shadow. Messmer is the originator of the flame heretics we see in the Mountains of the Giants. He devised this flame to win the fight, and it terrified Marika. She abandoned him and built a new capital. She abandoned the idea of having Empyrean children and married Godfrey. She cast off Radagon from herself fearing that part of herself. Etc etc.
Messmer's blade looks like the blasphemous blade and it resembles the serpent killer. Maybe he killed a similar god devouring serpent in his realm and it consumed his blade.
Bro I instantly knew that the fact that the puppet boss LOOKS like Godwyn, also bears lightning incantations and then spews a miasma that, although isn't an exact match to deathblight, it has it's color shade which is the most important tell in the entire lore. I'm not saying that it is 100% godwyn or related to it because obviously it is done on purpose, which could serve to mislead us. Since you had your own head cannon theory that you don't believe yourself here's mine: We could just be fighting every dead demi gods including new ones who are soulless in the walking mausoleum. (That is goes hand in hand with the theory of the impaler's catacomb and the ghost outside the church of pilgrimage)
I was so hyped by the possibility that the pink incantation might be an aoe rapport. It was the first thing that came to mind and I hope to god it's real
that artwork of the family is actually hella awesome and I love it. I feel the OVERALL story of the DLC is likely the classic fromsoft tail of the death of the past for the life of the future and the past wanting to prolong it as much as possible brings in the player to set the change in motion by killing the past and allowing the new life to begin and spread far beyond the source of the first destruction, the burning of the tree present over the realm.
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"First set food" doesn't mean being born, at all.
It's more related to discovering a new land (aka the first place the Numen arrived in the Land Between. It wasn't the land of Shadow back then, but another region of the realm- that part whas confirmed by Myazaki himself.
Marika "veiled" it away later.
You get sooo much wrong, you should watch other creators videos.
Didn’t one of the two fel omen brothers have his horns removed? Maybe the lion dancer puppet master was someone that had access to them, while connected to godwyn from a distance.
Personal theory, george hasnt brought any incest storyline to the story yet. I guess that messmer is the son of miquella and radagon.
I was thinking after hearing Myazaki saying that its an older culture could mean that these were people who still worship the Crucible and weren't changed to the faith of the Erdtree and the "Omen Lion" design could be their version of our Lion dances. Just an idea, because we haven't heard much on the Crucible.
Damn, I only watched until the point where you cut out the Messmer scene until the end. Didn't realize that you brought up a similar idea... oof...
Miyazaki saying he wants us to enjoy his swamps is akin to a killer asking you to pick which knife they'll use
can't wait for Rusty's swamp ranking
Seriously. It's been a ton of games, let's hope he actually did it right this time. Probably not. If there is one thing about Fromsoft, they don't learn from their mistakes.
I hope it's a madness swamp. Not poison swamp water, MADNESS swamp water.
@@rosco3516 I think it'll be sleep swamp, but who's to say it won't be the literal lake of hell
I honestly love Caelid, its my favorite zone 😊
If only Miquella’s followers knew he was taken to Mohgstein’s Island.
😂
who was on moghstein’s list?💀
Miquella was technically very old but just retained a youthful apprarance so Idk
@@awdgaray mohg and morgott should be the oldest tho
@@MultiFavoriet Idk man, what's a couple hundred if not thousand years to a demi-god. Age really is just a number at that point.
9:41 someone pointed out that by pre-ordering you get access to a emote that makes the character model imitate the glowing shape and get this the emote is called…Miquella’s Rune. The shape is Miquella’s great rune.
Ring of Miquella*
@@feshpince7181 RiNg of mIqUeLlA
Yeah it's called Ring of Miquella.
Tbf the runes are mostly made up of rings
Anyone else feels like the Lion Dancer boss may have 2 stages where once we defeat him in phase 1 all the dancers under the costume would attack us in form of 2 or even 3 seperate entities in phase 2.
Yes that's exactly what I was thinking. Or they take off the costume and it's some sort of grafted thing like godrick, human centipede version lmao
I can't decide which is more horrible
You break the costume and it'll be a horde of royal revenants
@@shizzaff8424 I am a fan of the human-centipede Godrick theory.
Terrifying on the surface, terrifying below the surface
And they're all Godskin, right? Right?
Were going to the shadow realm guys
Im excited af!
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Can't wait for the shadow realm
Welcome to the show realm jimbo
It's time to d-d-d-d-die
It’s time to duel !
Thank you. Someone else that makes the connection that Miquella's Soul left his body.
From the transcript in the reveal trailer:
"Divesting himself of his flesh, his strength, his lineage.
That's why he was unresponsive to Mohg inside his cocoon.
So a standard response to sexual abuse
AGREED, hes got that astral projection no doubt
@@plantman1093basically 😂
To me that seemed fairly obvious, given the difference in the withered arm and the miquella we see in the trailer
@@raijinoflimgrave8708yes!
This aged well
“Nameless king treatment” is crazy 💀
but is it wrong😮
@nuSneed i dont recall ever saying it was gwyn who deleted the firstborn from history, just used the example relative to the whole "scrubbed from history books" part.
Hey FromSoft does love their parallels
Gwyn didn't pass, he was still alive but just hollow@@StephanuSneed
This was my first thought. Being exiled from that family tree for blasphemy or some other reason.
Idk how people don’t see that floating Rune at 9:20 as Miquella’s rune. It’s pretty clear because the DLC is about Miquella, the color of the symbol is his unalloyed gold, and the preorder bonus gives us a gesture called “Ring of Miquella” where the player makes a shape identical to that of that symbol
It’s Miquella’s Great Rune, or at least a fraction of it. Please upvote this so bro sees it
And as @hypername1 said below, the Halo Scythe of the servants of Miquella is shaped like that Rune too
Of fuck your right.
You been right OG 😂
Sometimes people just refuse to accept the most obvious shit. I remember being absolutely baffled how people didn't instantly assume the Zonai were the Zonai when the TOTK art leaked.
Another thing that supports this theory that I haven't seen anyone point out is that the halo scythe, wielded by the cleanrot knights, shares almost the exact same shape as that rune, so its possible that the design of the scythe was based off the rune.
@@hypername1 damn that’s an amazing observation
Going off of your theory on the lion dance. Miyazaki did say this was from a culture before the Erdtree and we also know that foresight is a real thing in Elden Ring from the prophet set. I’m thinking that this dance was meant to celebrate incomplete visions of Markia and Godfrey’s future children. Omen horns, gold lightning, and blonde hair brought together by a mighty lion representing Godfrey.
29:39 THANK YOU, I kept seeing everyone say this might be a sleep spell when it literally matches the colors of the bewitching branch way more than any of the sleep items
48:03 I think its possible that Miyazaki doesn't necessarily mean Hero in that context. When looking at the question - about Elden Ring being structured like a heroic tale - this more means that Messmer is a big player in the narrative of the Shadow Lands. He's a significant figure, on par with the demigods we've face before and isn't a "lore outcast" with no interesting background.
It does not mean he is, was, or will be a traditionally heroic archetype.
it 100% does when you take the context that the theme of heroes will remain the same. he doesnt just say messmer is a hero on its own, he clearly says that messmer is a hero much like how there are other heroes in elden ring that we fight that are not inherently evil people. i even stated hes not a generic hero but a tragic one
Kind of like Vyke?
Like Godfrey.
"Touch the Withered arm and travel to the realm of Shadow, I will not be far behind."
It doesn't seem like this line coming from Miquella would make sense, because we are supposed to be following Miquella into the realm of shadow, not the other way around.
Following Miquella's instructions to go there also counts as following Miquella
Also we are “following” in a sense of following his story, not literally following him
I believe we aren’t actually following Miquella but his story/path that he took after sending his soul to the real of shadow
to me it sounds like napheli loux especially the last sentence
@@wtf_is_this_handle_shitnah there was an image idk if leaked or they dropped it but it shows miquella on torrent on the land of shadows already I do think we are following him. And they said he let go of his flesh and lineage to get there as we see his lifeless body at mogs palace. So it wouldn’t make sense for miquella to be following us into the land of shadows
Miquella’s voice was in the game preview trailer of 2021. It was very striking and I found it odd that the voice never appeared in game. However in 2024 we now know that is the voice of Miquella.
The 2 trailers that come to mind are the ganeplay and story trailers. But Melina spoke in one and Ranni in the other?
@@chesuriel1138 look up the overview trailer. It’s absolutely not Ranni or Melina’s voice. I actually thought it was Ranni’s pre-launch and then I played the game and hers is higher.
@daveyjoneslocker4703 ahhhhh ok now I hear after watching it. Also realized I've never seen the vid, that must've released after I told myself not to watch anything else on the game, wanted to go in as blind as possible lol
it's a presenter's voice. said presenter doesn't have to have a character in game, and if they did, they would express differently than this. saying it's the same voice as the new trailer outro is also jumping to conclusions. it is pretty close though don't get me wrong, could be the same person in and out of role
@@aesonone there’s absolutely nothing wrong with jumping to a conclusion. This is lore speculation for a video game, not a court case or open heart surgery. Also it’s OBVIOUSLY a presenter first and foremost, that goes without saying but it is often the case that a narrator who is obviously a talented voice actor who does marketing presentation voiceovers is also present in the project as a voice actor for a character. It’s extremely common in many mediums and just makes sense. Also at the end of the day the voices ARE similar and it’s almost certainly the same person.
I think the Godwyn Lion Dancer theory was formulated very well and it makes real sense. I think you may be on point
Pretty sure it represent Serach, might come from the culture of the beastmen of forum azula
I thought at first that it was going to be Godwyn underneath that because he’s all disfigured from the death root and can’t walk, but then I saw the legs. I know he has a fish bottom but it still would be cool
but how it could be Godwyn, if Godwyn didn't exist before the Erdtree. That beast is derived from a ancient culture before the Erdtree so... good teory thou, if Godwyn were an animal, it would be a golden lion for sure, but for my understanding the dates don't add up.
the only problem i could think of is that how would these people get the power to wield lightning if they are from a far a away land and never saw Godwyn? They must have gotten that power from somewhere
@@ArnimKuqi if Mesemer is there, and Marika went there, I don’t see why someone like Godwyn or Miquella wouldn’t be able to make it there if they wanted to or set their mind on it. Shiiiiitt who knows, maybe there’s more to them than we know. And I know it’s like stuff from before the crucible, but Miyazaki said it isn’t in the past or anything, it’s in the present time. Although it does seem like this place is kind of untouched by the lands between as it stands now. I don’t know, I’m so damn excited for this DLC. Oh and Godwyn got the lightning power from the dragons right? And they were around from before the crucible. Could explain why they both wield it.
Thank god you pointed out that the “sword” impaled in the man’s head is basically the center piece of the Elden ring
I'm pretty sure that at 15:47, the weapon in the off-hand is just a regular staff, and the "cross guard" is the sheathe of the rapier
ok im not gonna lie when i commented i didn't look at any of the comments but i basically said the same thing down to the time stamp and the "cross guard" lol
Yeah it's just a sheathe for the rapier
Dang, here I was thinking Messmer was the Elden Ring Antichrist, born from Miquella's alter ego St. Trina.
Messmer being the blasphemous ruler of the Shadowlands a place where sinful things live reminds me of lucifer from paradise lost ruling hell as the king of sin. I also get devil vibes from him.
@@tryptaminusespecially with fire, dragon and snake motifs
@@blamepluto7308bro is right
st Trina could be mother still … and we all think it’s merrika but either way is fine .. I like your idea as well .. the only thing is I feel like miquella came here for Godwyn .. either to bring him back somehow or rest his spirit in peace .. fia also told us the god of death would return .. they can’t give us everything in the trailer .. we all know when there’s death in the lands between they return to the erd tree .. but since godwyns soul was only taken .. maybe the shadows is where the soul goes if not guided back to the light
only an empyrean can wield such power
It makes sense because Morgott called the thrones "traitors all" but Messmer wouldn't be considered a traitor because he only kills graceless I guess which still lines up with the ideals of the Golden Order under Morgott.
He also didint call Mohg a traitor.
A theory that I came up with for the lion is that it is meant to represent the omens and has something to do with the omen killers. Like you said, the the golden lions are meant to symbolize the erdtree and I think that a disfigured lion covered in horns perfectly represents how most of the lands between saw the omens. A crude mockery of man devoid of grace. Although, I have no idea where the lighting plays into all this.
21:15 Lightning!
This is the best trailer analysis I have seen so far
The details you noticed I don't think anyone else noticed are amazing
And the two theories are amazing
Hats off to you
im cookin up a miquella lore video should be posted tomorrow! cant wait for you to see that one as i feel its way more put together than even this video!
This is my pesonal favorite analysis Video and your messmer is a hero theory makes sense even miyazaki said in an interview that messmer is something of a hero himself
THANK YOU, no ones made this connection yet from what ive seen and miyazaki even hints at it!!!
@@syrobe To be fair, all the Elden Ring shardbearers were supposed to be sort of heroic. That's at least what GRR Martin had in mind when he created them. All Miyazaki did though is take those heroic concepts and corrupt them into their worst forms, essentially turning all the demigods into neccesarily morally questionable antiheroes at best and absolute monsters at worst. I am pretty damn sure that's what he was referring to when he called Messmer a "hero".
Couldn't agree more!!!!👍💯🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@syrobe Vaati did.
@@shock2311thats cool, my video was posted before his was even uploaded!
Maybe that symbol the knight is in front of is a smaller version of Miquella's great rune that he left to guide us. Kind of like Gael left pieces of cloth to guide us in the Ringed City in DS3.
i like this idea.
I think that rune may be our “bonfire” i dont think there are grace sites in the new area. Miyazaki said we will be following miquella’s “footsteps” in the new lands.
@@jaytico5835makes sense there wouldnt be grace if the erdtree's light doesnt reach there
In that shot - doesn't the crest of the helmet look like it completes the missing portion of rune ring?
The simbol is clearly miquellas rune, the emote for the pre-order almost comfirm this.
I just recently started Elden Ring, and I've started watching a lot of your videos. I was waiting for a DLC analysis video, but 1 Hour is a lot more than I thought you would get from 3 minutes of trailer. Great job man. Keep up the amazing content!
THERE WAS MORE I HAD TO CUT BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WAS JUST RAMBLING LOL
In the first dungeon area that you showed, lava guy walking up, I believe the player has a rapier in his main hand and a staff in the other but the sheath of the rapier makes it look like a cross.
good eye! that makes a lot more sense
I'm assuming that we're visiting the jar warrior factory, and all those jars are hanging around waiting to be filled up with dead guys.
Just in regards to the bit on light travelling, all light travels infinitely, but it may become absorbed in the process of travel. While this is not always the case, red light tends to be absorbed the fastest of all colours, so much so that many deep water fish develope red camoflage, because its as effective as being completely black at that depth.
The reason a sunset is a different colour is because the atmosphere tends to scatter blue light fairly strongly, when the atmosphere is thinner, this doesn't happen too many times and the blue light coats the sky, but when the atmosphere becomes thicker, like when the light as coming in at a relative angle to where we are on the planet, the light scatters so much that we can barely see it at all, leaving behind other wavelengths like yellow and red. This can depend on the thickness and nature of that section of the atmosphere, which is why sunsets are usually different depending on where you go.
For this reason, I reckon the red light is almost entirely stylistic, as red colours and factions are generally shown through the game to be oppositional to the gold that represents "good" such as Leyndell and the heretics of Gelmir, co-operators vs recusants and so on. Especially given this area is ravaged by a man who alligns himself with everything that is against the golden order.
Great vid otherwise though! That part just in particular was bothering me.
You're definitely the first to reference Godwyn. I assumed the same thing when I saw the lion boss. I can't believe no other channel was able to catch that.
i made a lot of small mistakes on pronouncations but i was running on no sleep so im glad you were able to look past them to the bigger pictures!
@@syrobe Absolutely. This was a fantastic video.
The idea that the lion dancer is some reference to Godwynn is interesting, but the chained up and de-horned golden lions we find in the lands between seem to imply that these creatures ARE/WERE real, and that at some point when the crucible wasn't shunned, they where heralds of power, so iconic that they were used as symbol for the original round table hold, the tarnished (presumably) before they went on their long march and abandoned the lands between.
So I think it's more likely that the golden lions are more an organic symbol that was worshipped long before it was adopted as a symbol for Godrick. And the golden tree might be the version of the erd tree that was destroyed in the shadow realm. Would make sense since the round table hold also has iconography of a large erd-tree like tree, that has distinctly different artwork than the 'erdtree faithful' version of the same symbol.
Two trees, two cultures. Marika came from the realm of shadow. Her first lord was the lord of tarnished, who presumably came from the culture that worshipped/reverred the crucible and the golden lions. After Mesmer's betrayal in the realm of shadow, omens, omen horns, and the crucible itself, were deemed heretical.
your golden lion theory makes sense, but i see it as a parody of godwyin , a mockery of him.
also could be true!
Another thing about the Lightning in the Lion Dancer boss fight is that the Lightning is Yellow.
Only the player is able to use this lightning in game because of how incantations work. Any other enemy and in the game has red lightning because they are either worshiping the Ancient Dragons or ARE Ancient Dragons.
The Lion Dancer could be worshiping Godwyn and thats how their Lightning is Yellow
@@johnrich4953 that's right! I forgot about those. But they are also dragon cultists from Godwyn dragon cult
@@johnrich4953Dude, I want a weapon that can cast spells so bad just like in DS3. This DLC is going to have one otherwise why hhave 8 extra weapon classes! this is nuts
Messmer is the real lord of blood. Even after defeating Mohg Gideon still lists the "Lord of Blood" as one of the undiscovered demigods.
You noticed that 💪🏽
What if it's not Miquella in the cocoon, but Messmer?
If you kill melania before maliketh does he not meantion her again?
Yep. I saw that lion and with the golden hair immediately thought of Godwyn and doubled down when I saw it use lightning. I think that Godwyn will be the biggest threat in the game with Miquella helping to ultimately stop the god of death
The lion is just the head of a lion swung around by two omens stacked on top of each other, and Miyazaki also confirmed this lion as well as the theme of the boss fight originates from a long forgotten culture in the Lands of Shadow
Also in relation to the twinblade the character is using to fight Messmer, it's the same twin blade being used by the knight boss when the player character is doing the monk style kick attack. So most likely the reward for defeating that knight. We also know it's a boss as there is a fog wall in the background.
Thank you Styrobe
I know when no one else got me you will and on top of that you're also quick with it too
Wouldve been finished sooner if miyazaki didnt do so many interviews with external context and confirmations of the lore in the trailer
Enjoyed watching and hearing your thoughts about the DLC, super hyped ta watch more videos you make about it!
More to come!
What if Mesmer chased Marika out of the realm of Shadows? She fled to the Land Between to grow her own Erdtree, and what if he was behind the death of Godwyn and she shattered the ring to find a champion to beat Mesmer?
Thank you for talking about godwyn with the lion I'm getting a serious inclination we might see godwyn in some form. Because Godwyn as we know, was very protective and/or close to the twins Miquella/Malenia. This is mostly about Miquella and I think because of that we might run into godwyn.
Hope so
I need godwyn
Am I the only person who thinks Messmer's spears look very similar to the giant briar spears that are impaling the dead fire giants on the Mountain Top of the Giants?
Omg. You’re right, ITS THE SAME SPEAR!!!
because he killed the giants bye helping godfrey I think idk@@damienmcneff7715
Theorizing that the painting of the couple being Marika’s parents is actually interesting and makes sense. If it truly is the place she was born, it would make sense to see her heritage
YES!! Godskin apostle is the first thing I thought of when I saw his wrist
Did anyone else notice that the black stuff coming off messmers flame look like tree roots or tree branches? i wonder if theres some symbolism there. Great video by the way, well done sir.
It looks like death blight. Destined death has that effect.
The circle with a cross starting at about 9:20 is almost definitely a new Great Rune in my opinion.
Amazing video. Loved the KH BGM during the Messmer analysis lol
im suprised people recognized it haha
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the sepents have wings, this could mean that they are infant dragons as dragons are since medieval times depicted as serpents with wings and legs. we also know that myazaki loves to take inspiration from berserk and it is speculated that messmer is inspired by grunbeld who in the front page of "the flame dragon knight" is showed as having a very similar helmet and red hair. he is also heavily tied with flames and dragons and if those sepents are infant dragons then the ties between messmer and grunbeld go beyond just looks. the dragon incantation crest also holds a symbol similar to that of messmers flame symbol, and messmer has eyes resembling the dragon communion eyes. and we can also see that messmer is inspired by vlad the impaler. we can see many spears coming up from the ground in his bossfight like the stakes vlad used against his enemies. now this could go further as vlad is also the inspiration for vampires.
Another thing I may be wrong on but you continue to refer to Mohgwyn as a person. Mohgwyn was the palace. The Character name was Mohg, the lord of Blood
i got it mixed up with godwyn and mohgwyn palace happens when you dont get any sleep, but i will improve for the future!
@syrobe don't take it to heart bro just has a hard on for technicalities
You did a fantastic job, first 1 hour DLC breakdown that I enjoyed fully :)
Glad you enjoyed it! I find the messmer theory to be really well done 43:15
It might not correlate to Mesmer but the rot duelist on the mountain of giants has a grab attack that makes a snake appear from his body too. It's also interesting that he stands at the edge of the mountain looking far into the horizon like he is looking for something close
Everyone is looking over the fact that Mogh could be a simple chess piece in a bigger plan by Miquella. Again, Ranni did something similar to remove the influence/control of the two-fingers.
There is so much more to unpack. The 8 new weapon types and the official images on twitter that show some new things as well like soldiers wielding harpoons and the player character using a spell that looks exactly like that big monster uses at 33:47.
nah anyone else just want miyazaki to make a movie that gives a bunch of lore but still leave us with a lot of things to wonder about?
I still think the Frenzied Flame ending was the best one for the Lands Between. Every time someone takes the throne, it will rinse and repeat, you'll get usurped and eventually, they will too. Hit that restart button and hopefully it'll get better for the next batch that co.e from the ashes
I always like these videos that are super wrong when the next video lmao
This sis a great video but PLEASE learn the pronunciations of the characters. Literally every name you say I got distracted because of pronunciation mistakes. Not just names either, but maybe run it by someone first because words like sepia and such are also mispronounced. No need to bring the quality down with something that isn’t that important but can easily take someone out paying attention to what really matters.
Holy yappington of yap
Learn to spell. Is*
Take it to the publisher buddy
Mesmer is definitely going to be a pain in the ass as the Nameless King was in DS3.
This is the best theory/analysis I've seen so far. I think the shunned child because he pissed merika off makes perfect sense. At some point she was loyal to the erd tree, so burning it = bad.
Some things I'm thinking, is maybe some of the reason flames and Snakes are bad is because mesmer (I know there's other reasons too). Also maybe miquela is after mesmers flame because he's able to burn erd trees aka defy the outer gods influence. Miquela and rani have have similar goals of defying the outer gods.
About 15:50, I think the weapon the player has in their left hand might be a staff or spear, and the thing next to it is probably a sheath for the sword in their right hand
So far I'm not too deep in but I do agree that it's likely Miquella's voice in the beginning of the trailer asking you to, "touch the withered arm."
I think the golden lion is a representation of Marika rather than Godwin, the braided hair is just sticking on to me too much I think it’s their way of mourning Marikas departure
Yeah I was originally thinking that lion is the desecrated carcass of Sarosh, but then I realized he doesn’t die until the Godfrey fight. It’s definitely an effigy mocking Godwyn.
Perhaps hidden optional bosses will be available if certain plot flags have occurred. The center area where the Land of Shadow is touches on all map regions. Maybe The various DLC areas will be tied to each area ‘ripped out’ of the Golden Order reality.
It looks like the flame that consumed malekith blade after you beat Malekith
A lot of people don’t seem to notice that his spear looks very similar to the spears that have the giants impaled in them in the Mountaintop
i think that glowing rune thing is the new check point / site of grace, since it seems to be planted in the grass. this would make sense, since we have divested of Grace to get here, so we’d need a new fast travel/check point mechanic.
The glowing symbol is probably the new power scaling system the symbols probably give access to new powers or abilities
That golden dragon theory makes so much sense when you think about it
Would like to say the focus on more niche subjects is very much appreciated, there's plenty of channels that spew the obvious and it's great to see more content that's around stuff like this.
Thanks for that! I tried my best! somethings i even feel differently about now but this was 2 days after the initial trailer and i believe i did fairly well to not state the obvious!
@@syrobeYeah man, definitely shows
Dozens?? I’m never trusting you to guess how many jellybeans are in the jar.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the unusually large gap between the throne's during the Morgott cutscene. I've always noticed that and found it odd and am glad to finally have a theory for it.
What if Messmer is the original soul body of the destined death and that’s why she took him far away from the land since she didn’t want something like death to be among them , but couldn’t bare kill her own child so she vanished him away and any trace about him.
Something that comes to mind is the tie of the name Messmer, which is very close to "Mesmer" of Franz Anton Mesmer. He theorized the existence of a process of natural energy transference occurring between all animate and inanimate objects; this he called "animal magnetism", later referred to as mesmerism. Today we refer to this as hypnosis. I could see these themes playing out in the game. Even if it's not directly in there, I can't imagine this naming collision has gone unnoticed by the game writers.
I know this has been pointed out a dozen times already, but around 15:50, those enemies wielding a sword with a "long cross guard" are actually just dual-wielding a straight sword and a staff. The "cross guard" is just the sheath of their main hand sword!
The lion theory actually really makes sense. The minute you slowed the video down and I saw it was multiple people I was thinking it may be a theater theme. Maybe they are cursed to inhabit their costumes? That is a fairly common trope. If they were trying to depict a story we know it reminds me of the way the villagers played Toph in the last air bender.
There is a statue depicting that guy pulling whatever out of his head near the finger reader outside Luernia academy... he is surrounded by weird flowers and branches and is holding that thorny stick...
Most likely Messmer's weapon is melting because he used it to impale the Erdtree. It could also be that since he impaled it setting it in flames it resulted in the Erdtree dying in Lands in Between as the tree we see is basically a Golden hologram pretty much. That could also be the reason why Elden Beast was dissatisfied with Marika and ended up crucifying her blaming her for what Messmer actually did.
Also one of the collector's editions for base game came with a statue of Malenia and one with her helmet. Now we get one edition with a statue of Messmer and one with his helmet. Would bet my money on that we will get a third DLC that will eventually conclude the story of Miquella with an edition of his statue and one where we have his helmet. In the base game we were looking for Malenia and Miquella, in the DLC we are looking for Miquella trying to undo what his brother did and in the second one we finally catch up to Miquella and have to defeat him because in reality what he was doing wasn't so noble after all. 🤔 Or something along those lines.
And here I thought the pregnant woman was Marika before she gave birth to Mesmer
The erd (red) tree branches almost look more like roots in this shot like they’re going through the clouds
Messmer may be a child of Marika from before she became a god. We know you can become a demigod retroactively.
15:52 for anyone who was wondering, it’s not a new weapon it’s just the rapier sheath that is overlapping the staff that the prisoner class starts with, hope this helps.
Hidetaka Miyazaki has outdone himself once again!😳 What a bada$$ character Mesmer is. And I'm blown away at the size of this expansion!😮 Can't wait!🙌
Lion Dancer: Exists
Sasori: *Heavy Breathing*
What if the person in the dress is ehhemm.. st.trina? Hence why they claim they will see you after entering the land of shadow as stated in the trailer. I also grasp that Trina is miquella, but what if he's hiding his appearance from the player and mesmeer, that guy might not know Trina is a mask to move around in secrete.
The screen shot of the lion at 32:48 makes him look like he is so happy lol it threw me off a bit, like don’t smile at me bro I know your really trying to kill me
I believe that the shadow of the erd tree is the land that could be. Mezmer being a reflection of a malevolent God culminated from the evil forces we know from the lands between. With his armor being reminiscent of the snake with the ribbons appearing. His form and use of fire magic being reminiscent of the giants fell god. His spear resembling that of deaths blight. His eyes that of those that devour dragons almost being completly confimed by his armor that is reminisent of the drake knights armor. The section holding his spear being that of the sanguine choosen of mogh. Then looking at his form with elongated emaciated arms and legs I think mezmer is actually miquila. I think that appn entering the land of shadow the outer gods are bidding for a champion....bestowing power to him for his ascension.
15:43 that is the prisoner’s staff and the scabbard of the rapier
Love it! The strong throne position ending to cap it off!
The lion represents the undefeatable lion from the legend of Heracles that Heracles well... defeated.
That player character you showed at the start with the symbols is likely the character we saw in the opening shot with the bodyless white robe
This same character seems to be wearing a white robe with the same style of faded embroidery in the robe itself on the back. It is more likely that this character will be an NPC in the realm of shadows same as the knight in the next shot after that in the sunset.
Here’s a thought. He was there for the war against the Giants. The fight wasn’t launched from Leyndell, it was launched from the realm of shadow. Messmer is the originator of the flame heretics we see in the Mountains of the Giants. He devised this flame to win the fight, and it terrified Marika. She abandoned him and built a new capital. She abandoned the idea of having Empyrean children and married Godfrey. She cast off Radagon from herself fearing that part of herself. Etc etc.
The “I won’t be far behind” stuff gave me Jiji/Wolfy flashbacks 😢
Messmer's blade looks like the blasphemous blade and it resembles the serpent killer. Maybe he killed a similar god devouring serpent in his realm and it consumed his blade.
Bro I instantly knew that the fact that the puppet boss LOOKS like Godwyn, also bears lightning incantations and then spews a miasma that, although isn't an exact match to deathblight, it has it's color shade which is the most important tell in the entire lore.
I'm not saying that it is 100% godwyn or related to it because obviously it is done on purpose, which could serve to mislead us.
Since you had your own head cannon theory that you don't believe yourself here's mine: We could just be fighting every dead demi gods including new ones who are soulless in the walking mausoleum. (That is goes hand in hand with the theory of the impaler's catacomb and the ghost outside the church of pilgrimage)
I was so hyped by the possibility that the pink incantation might be an aoe rapport. It was the first thing that came to mind and I hope to god it's real
Yes thanks for mentioning cantonese lion dancing! Happy to see inspiration from it. I wonder how miyazaki interprets it into elden ring
it feels like a future version of the lands between were we burned the tree
that artwork of the family is actually hella awesome and I love it. I feel the OVERALL story of the DLC is likely the classic fromsoft tail of the death of the past for the life of the future and the past wanting to prolong it as much as possible brings in the player to set the change in motion by killing the past and allowing the new life to begin and spread far beyond the source of the first destruction, the burning of the tree present over the realm.
You're the only one that shares the same observation as me that the old dude seems to have a form of the elden ring within him.
The hippos animation and sound are of the crucible the white ish glow and the sound are identical to crucible incantations
i agree i realized that after that its more of a Crucible beast
the guy in the lava was holding a staff and a sword but the sheathe makes it look like a hand guard.