Jared Goff is now the second highest paid quarterback in NFL history, will Geno Smith ask for more?
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- There's certainly a scenario where he could, which I'd really like to avoid.
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Geno can ask he won’t get it
Throwing for 30,000 yards and 185 TDs vs Geno's 14,800 yards and 84 TDs and Geno is 4yrs older. This isn't a comparison in terms of how the market goes.
Geno has 66 game started and Goff has 117. So if they had the same amount of game started, it would be a very good comparison.
@@AntiQuakeage is very important. 4 years is a long time for a NFL franchise. Geno is a couple years away from considering retirement. Goff is in his prime.
@@sabastian3022 he only mentioned the numbers. I was simply giving a reason why the numbers are the way they are. I’m not advocating for paying one or the other. Just saying that if they had the same amount of starts, their numbers would be very similar.
@@sabastian3022 thing is Geno doesn’t have nearly the mileage of your usual 33 year old qb. I don’t see him getting paid this much, but could be close if he has a great season, the comparison is apt
Now compare the past two years only since that's when Geno was actually starting.....
Detroit just tanked their future lol
Jared Goff v Matthew Stafford numbers since their trade via warren sharp since the 2021 trade... interesting 🤔 (rams are in negotiations to pay stafford more guarantee's as well)
Goff: 24 wins
Stafford: 24 wins
Goff: 66% comp %
Stafford: 66% comp %
Goff: 41 turnovers
Stafford: 41 turnovers
Goff: 46% success rate
Stafford: 46% success rate
Goff: 78 pass TDs
Stafford: 75 pass TDs
Goff: 89 sacks taken
Stafford: 88 sacks taken
Goff: 35.2% 1st downs per att
Stafford: 35.2% 1st downs per att
Goff: 5.5 YAC/comp
Stafford: 5.5 YAC/comp
Just let howell start after 2024 forget paying geno that much
Not only is Geno’s contract a steal but he is so unselfish that I bet he would take the same money again even with the context of this Goff signing. Dude is so under appreciated even by his own team’s fans
I agree with extending Geno. I’d go another 2 years for a total of four years on his deal and we can build a great team with a low-ish cost starting QB. Go Hawks
Geno is a competent starter, but he isn't our long-term answer. You can't ask for top money if you've never won a playoff game.
Goff is five years younger, has played in a superbowl, 2 NFCCGs and is a former #1 overall pick starting for a team in a legit SB window.
This is grasping at straws. Geno ain’t making 50+ mil without an MVP caliber season. No way, no how.
Every time I talk about Geno, everyone laughs, but he is passes the eye test and everything. Man’s good.
No no no don’t extend geno now. He won’t charge us that much no matter what he already has proved he won’t charge us too much. Not that many teams will want to pay geno at 36 even if he does play well. You’re not seeing the whole picture here. The money saved won’t be that much but the potential money lost stuck with him or dead cap would be. Don’t get me wrong he’s the man a well deserving of our starting qb but this more is almost all risk no reward
Geno Smith could win us a Super Bowl and MF’s would be saying we need to cut him. That being said, there’s a good chance he has a phenomenal year if our offensive line clicks this season. It’s definitely worth considering, but I have a feeling management is looking for a longtime solution with a younger player.
At least you don't exaggerate. 😂
When Geno became a free agent there was no interest from any team outside of Seattle
The Jets were interested
Interested in Geno as a backup 😂
Please look at his numbers vs guys like Purdy or Herbert. He's going to get absolutely paid if he has another good season.
@@thguz13 The man averages nearly 1.5 TDS a game and 1.0 turnovers a game...
He is 33 and has been assessed by multiple coaches, coordinators, schemes, and organizations.
He has already peaked and outside of this fan base everyone else knows Geno is just a barely starting QB that's one step away from starting.
@@ryanwilson4601 He has 50 passing TDs to 20 INTs the past two years. The highest completion % over that time. Now consider the fact he's had a bottom four offensive line and bottom seven defense both years. Anything prior to him starting with us is completely irrelevant at this point.
thats why they got Sam Howell its a whole new offense he can learn for a year and if geno wants a bigger contract we go with SAM
At least Detroit showed some gratitude for his play unlike the browns and baker which bit them
Geno Smith is a remarkable quarterback, who because of the way his game has evolved could be called "the professor." Amazing arm talent. Why would Grubb need Penix when he has this guy? I'm hardpressed to find good comps for him when he is playing at, say, the level he was against Dallas, and even there he was having to work very fast because pass pro so atrocious/nonexistent. My feeling is he will be a top producer for 5 to 7 more years and may very well take a superstar turn under Grubb and Macdonald, and I dint think a superbowl this season is farfetched at all. think about it, if the offensive line is solid this offense could absolutely light it up, and the defense is likely to be competent at a bare minimum, good if not amazing. I think Geno at $30m a year for four years, structured to create cap room this year, is a solid plus ev bet if his agents will take it, say four year (total) redo/extension for 24, 25, 26, 27 for $140m with $110m guaranteed and last year backloaded I make that deal if i can, if he looks great in training camp etc
It would be crazy to pay Geno that, I like the guy but we are not winning a superbowl with him. I also have a feeling Geno understands that and loves seattle
If Geno say has his best season to date, Seattle might not be able to retain him. He has a legitimate case to get $50 mil a year if he shows out.
Geno is lucky that Seahawks paid him
geno is better than goff but goff got overpaid
Geno probably wont be the starter by mid season. He isn't worth half of that.
This is why I wanted to draft a QB as well as Howell, if Geno is good and we don't extend him and Howell is not good we are in a bad spot. I disagree with part of your assessment though, Geno could not have gotten more than we gave him. Nobody was offering it (or the reports are wrong) and the fact is that while he is at least as talented as Goff with his arm, Goff has proven he can win and Geno has not. A lot of that was Goff being on better teams than Geno, but that's just the luck of the draw. If we are good enough to make the playoffs and even win a game, Geno will not be giving us a discount -- not after the twitter rant. He already feels disrespected it seems by the fan base. The plan may have always been to move off of Geno though, which is why I still think we do NOT extend him. I think we try out Howell and draft a QB next year, ride out Geno's contract.
I wanted them to draft a QB because Howell has limited upside because of his processing speed. Next years qb class is pretty much all developmental prospects that are mote athlete than QB or solid Qb prospects that have less arm talent than Howell.
Geno gets paid as the 16 best QB and plays about there in skill. Jared Goff gets paid as the second best QB and plays likely around the 10th best QB...that math doesnt add up. Detroit is setting itself up for colapse more quickly then we all expect. Paying St Brown as one of the highest WRs, Goff as the QB2 in the league, and Sewel as the top offensive lineman. You pay guys over their actual value then other parts of your roster begins to fall and the guys you are paying have to take on the extra weight and they usually cant do it.
not paying any QB thats not arguable top 3 in the league
The main difference between the two is playoff wins and experience. Goff got the rams to a Superbowl and Detroit to the NFC Championship. Thats what the NFL pays for. Go look at the Flacco contract compared to what he actually contributed to each of those teams. The NFL doesnt pay QBs based on being "good" during the regular season, they pay for Playoff wins. Thats why Purdy who is about an average QB will get paid top dollar next season.
Depends on what they see with Sam Howell, and also whether or not this contract will set the market… this contract has similar vibes to the Deshaun Watson contract where teams may brush it off and not let it dictate the market
Goff played extremely well last season and got paid appropriately. Geno has been HAD by the Hawks. There was no way Geno could have achieved his contract incentives given our fly-blown O-line which was ranked 30th in the league. The real question concerning Goff is: can they pay Goff and still maintain that talented O-line the Lions need to have for Goff to perform well? Goff is far less effective behind an average O-line.
Hell no .. we don't want Geno ... He can't win a bowl... N he won't win us a bowl
I know it's not the point of the vid, but I see the Lions making the same mistake the Hawks did with Russ - a team where the defense was the reason they were winning, and then they overpay their game-manager QB. For us, I don't think we'll make the same mistake again. I love Geno, but I don't think he'll command that kind of salary - not with a defensive coach and a passable backup with starting experience. Thankfully, I think Geno's more of a team-player than Russ was: he'll want to get paid, but he won't break the team doing it.
Goff benefits from having one of the top offensive lines, coordinators, and weapons in the NFL, all of which greatly enhance his chances of success. On the other hand, Geno is a superior quarterback to Goff but faces challenges with a new, inexperienced offensive coordinator, a weak offensive line, and the league’s worst defense, though he does have excellent offensive weapons. If Grubbs can replicate his college performance in the pros and the offensive line improves significantly, Geno could not only enter the MVP conversation but also secure a lucrative contract. John Schneider is aware of this and is strategizing for long-term relevance and potential success, though this approach may not provide the best immediate support for his quarterback.
do you remember rams when goff a starter and lions they are bottom but they become champions. if goff come to seahawks you know what he do right?
Geno has more then deserved the contract seattle gave him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he asked for me, but it needs to be shorter nor as much a debate Jared goff got.
I say a 2 year extension at around 35-40 a year is great.
And I think after that doing one year contracts that depend on how geno does year by year
Goff and Stafford have basically the same numbers since the trade
Goff is definitely at least tier 3. Tier 2 in the right scheme. I actually see a very similar game between Geno and Penix. If Grubb elevates Geno like he did Penix then he will have a great season. I wouldn’t mind extending Geno out to 3 years with an out after year 2. It would definitely give the coaching staff time to focus on other parts of the team and develop a QB behind him. Also, you could trade him if you want to.
Gino can kick rocks. SMH Gino is not on that level.
This is good news for the Hawks, as Lions will have more salary cap issues going forward. And if Goff gets injured he will still be owed $170M. Let’s see what Geno can do in this new offense this year, and then pay him accordingly.
It’s not the same as Jared Goff. Even now people put him in a conversation of someone with 2 teams he was able to get to championships and on a Super Bowl and they expect to be back again. Go watch shows like speak and cowherd they all out respect on Goff I promise.
This contract could be the end of the lions mini run
LOL. Repeat: LOL. After months of reading about rumors from credible sources, we know Schneider was trying like hell to trade Geno but nobody wanted him. Even if he balls out this year, he won't get up into that rare air. We already got his replacement so ....
Keep making things up tard. He v never tried to trade him
😂 No, he wasn't!
Stop making things up dude. Team never tried to trade him
@@alginvestmentllc7638Oh I’m sure Schefter and everyone else were wrong and you were right 😂
@@corynolan4665Wrong. It was being reported on ESPN and other sources for months. 😂
geno wont get an extension w the hawks, new regime gonna want their own guy eventually
that was a huge overpy provided there is no mild 2nd year out. He just is getting up there he may still have one quality season but i can see him fall off quickly after that
This contract extension plus the Kirk Cousins FA contract really worries me as far as extending Geno next year. I'm not sure I'm onboard with Geno at 55 million per year.
You're worth whatever someone is willing to pay you. My guess is that if Geno gets us to the playoffs this year and the NFC championship game the next season (as Goff did), he could try to do what you said and tell the Seahawks he's worth $55M and they will let him walk, because another team still would not give Geno half that much, and he will be back in Seattle playing for $30M a year. Remember, Geno would be 36 that following season. Nobody is going to give a 36 year old career journeyman QB $55M a year. I'm defining "journeyman" QB as a guy that has played for over decade in the NFL but started less than 70 games for 4 different teams. In another 5 years, Gardner Minshew will be a career journeyman QB.
Geno won’t ask that much. He doesn’t want to be in the weird place Kirk cousins is
Goff is nice
Even as a Geno supporter he won’t get that area. And that’s why I support Geno as a starter.
Google nfl qb rankings. The latest is out for 2024.
Geno #23, Goff #11
So they’re not comparable guys. Frankly the Geno love Seahawks fans have is baffling to me. He’s just not good.
Good story, but not a good QB. Wake up people! Watch some nfl games with other teams and see how much better the average nfl QB is than Geno.
He's been to a super bowl and a championship stop trying to compare numbers with geno get fn real dude pretty annoying take
Anyone that's having a good faith discussion, will break his 2022 season into two halfs.
He had a great 8 games before NFL defenses figured him out. He's been a middle of the pack guy since. I'd slightly prefer Goff over Geno, but it's not by much. If course the Lions overpaid.
We dont need to sign him now, he is here for 2 yrs
Wow! They waaaaay over paid!
I'd truly like to find a sane person watch the Hawks vs Lions game last year and say Goff is better than Geno, eye test is so clear in favor of Geno.
Bottom line is Geno's performance (past 2 whole seasons) has been better than
Dak Prescott
Justin Herbert
Kyler Murry
Jarred Goff
Derrick Carr
Jimmy Garrapollo
Trevor Lawrence
Daniel Jones
So Now compare the contracts
Great day to be a lions fan. And i have and continue to make the argument the only qb id take over goff is mahomes. Goff is a winner thru and thru. Go look at advanced stats and metrics...goff is top 5 in every comprehensive measure of performance and efficiency. Under pressure, red zone, etc. He is elite. Our offense runs like a well oiled machine w him leading. Weve had top 5 offense last 2 years. Anyone that understands intabgibles knows goffs are off the charts. Hes the bsst brady comp since brady. Brady didnt play flasht football. He played winning football. Goff is the same. Super bowl loading.
People just get so locked in their takes. And the Hive Mind is strong. That's too much money but Goff is severely underrated.
i really hope geno gets a bag, if you arent rooting for him ur a weirdo.
I doubt Geno will ask for more money. He's better than Goff anyway. Goff can't run like Geno, nor is he as accurate
If Geno plays well he will be able to ask for 40 million plus easily. There is no super number 1 pick next year, teams will be desperate.
He won't get it from Schneider.
@@gerritfridericksohn4627 Thats fine, guess you have more faith in Sam Howell than I do. I give it a 50 / 50 chance, and maybe we just franchise tag him. With the cap going up as fast as it is we will see what happens.
But then also YOU see purdy being tier 3-4 lol im not a whiners Fan but yeah just a fact lol
lions and falcons are stupid teams jared goff isn't like lamar jackson or patrick mahomes there no way in hell we paying geno smith that kind of money we would break are whole cap space and gotta sign all rookies and that how quaterbacks win by taking friendly deal so the team can get better like tom brady took friendly deal with buccaneers
53 million a year….well deserved.
lmao braindead
@@wesjanson6979ur the braindead one
im not saying he isnt good but he would fall apart behind seattle's oline
I wouldn't sign any player for 50 mil per year. No one player is worth that much of the salary cap. Geno at 25 to 30 million per year is good value, if he wants more let him walk.
The beginning of the end for Lions.
The lions are no longer a Super Bowl contender after this move. They don’t have any money.
Why say stuff if u don’t know what ur talking about? They do have a lot of money
........ they still have everyone on the roster from last year..... soo yes they are stil a SB contender lol
they've kept their star tackle, their star reciever, and their star qb, had a solid draft, and went to the nfc championship last year, I think they're just fine to win a superbowl lmao5
U dont know holmes apparently lol. We had $90m for next year already. Go check out amon ra and sewell cap projections...4 year contracts spread over 6 years...much less than contract details showed. Goff will be the same. Doing the deals a year early gives them ultra flexibility. Our front office is elite elite at this stuff now. Our cap space is still plentiful...watch.
The Lions are going to regret doing this.
Nah, well win 😉
@JohnFischer-yb1xf Bro, you just paid the mother of all bags to Jared freaking Goof. The chances this isn't an overpay are basically nothing.