Justin Herbert is just this era's Phillip Rivers. Great rosters/weapons, great stats, and alot of hype every single year....and absolutely nothing to show for it every single year
@sokit2em he had Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and Ekeler for years and did nothing. This is the 1st year his weapons were lacking and the results have been the same
For perspective, Lamar Jackson spent four years in the Greg Roman offense (Five in you include his rookie year when Roman was an assistant), with bottom five WR rooms, was even asked to be the team’s leading rusher, and was shown no grace when he struggled in the playoffs. Despite the fact that no QB who has ever been asked to be their team’s leading rusher, has ever won a title. Let alone while also dealing with bottom 5 WR rooms, AND the worst passing scheme in the league.
You can’t produce by yourself… you need help to win against the better teams cause the Chargers are a good team but they are not good enough to beat winning teams yet until they get Herbert some help.
@@Lauren-cc7yr So it's the Team's fault he thew 4 picks...? He has a Great Coach and a Great Defense which had been the problem in previous years. No more excuses.
I’m not even sure he was Phillip Rivers. Phillip rivers at least had the chargers finish as the 1 or 2 seeds a decent amount of times during the Brady and manning era. Chargers. Barely are making WC with Herbert
Please don't let the national media use "weapons" as an excuse for Herbert when Jackson had W. Snead, M. Boykins, S. Roberts, & Hollywood Brown as his WRs yet got killed for losing...3 of those players aren't in the league anymore & Hollywood is on a 1yr deal with KC...
That playoff loss to the Jaguars deflated this Chargers team. They needed to win that game for their psyche. Certain losses can set a team back with or without a good roaster. It’s a real thing. The confidence and morale needs to be there. The only way to get over a loss is for the team to stay together and go through downs to meet their ups. Owners become too impatient and won’t allow chemistry to form. If that makes sense…
EXACTLY…it’s these same pundits who call themselves analyst who put Herbert in that category in the first place who are now MADD at him for proving them wrong lol
No pass from me. Justin Herbert has been just a guy since his rookie season. We've now seen C.J Stroud have an amazing rookie season and Jayden Daniels have an amazing rookie season. Maybe it's just that thing where these highly drafted rookies end up on trash teams with a soft schedule that they overachieve against. This even counts for Dak who, while he wasnt drafted high, was in a s*** division with an amazing back and o-line for that rookie campaign. Its not that Herbert is trash, he just seems to be league average to me.
Yes but RG3 made a lazy racial argument and idiots like Kelvin picked up .Herbert is just another qb in the second class with Dak , Tua, Purdy , Baker, and them. No one says he's eite but maybe Colllin Cowherd or something..
Btw, Sam Donald went from cashing-in to bargain-bin, and his coach is not far behind. 4th and 2 yards on the 50 when you didn't have too? Risk/reward, my man
I was having this exact conversation with my mate. And I pose the question, 'who you'd rather have Herbert or Nix' we both lean Nix. Herbert lackS DAWG.
1st, I don’t put Herbert top 8, but saying that I’ve seen him make the best throws I’ve ever seen. I bet if the ball actually had some AI analysis chip I bet Herbert would have some absurd stat like he threw 45% harder than the second fastest throwing QB. Herbert reminds me of senior in college Zion. The athleticism is something other worldly. At least 2x a year he makes a throw that I say “no one, nobody else makes that throw”. I imagine that’s how people felt watching Dan marino
@@deonpowe9259 your opinion. I think there’s 1 goal in football. Win a championship and only pat has. IMO burrow, Lamar or Allen have BARELY done more than Herbert. Also I feel Herbert has the same playoff record as Lamar and burrow given the #1 statistical defense in all HISTORY, the best coach (harbaugh beats Reid in every stat pre pat) Derek Henry and a pro bowl WR, chase and Higgins and the best pass rusher
@trumpdrago517 not true, allen has played in 11 playoff games==6-5 in the playoffs==that's pretty good in my book! Herbert has only been to the playoffs twice and has lost both games.
Dak plays for the Cowboys the most wealthiest team in sports and makes the most in the league. Herbert plays for a team who barely has a fan base. The Cowboys are still in the news every show and aren't in the playoffs. It's and apples to oranges . And the only ones who still giving Herbert a pass is Collin Cowherd. But we live in the times where if you make a lazy racial argument like RG3, followers like Kelvin will pick it up..
How could you both get this point so wrong?!! Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are being criticized BECAUSE they are great!!!! They are expected to challenge Mahomes- and neither has beaten him yet or made an appearance in the SB. Herbert has NEVER been expected to challenge Mahomes. As AFC QBs go- it’s Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen- Then Burrow And then EVERYONE else.
4th and 2 10:00 left in 3rd Quarter Herbert has this out there with him McConkey, Johnston, Chark, and RB Hassan Haskins. That was the Chargers got to have it group...LOL!!!! Yep, man Herbert should be CARRYING this group what a loser.
No one said anything about Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen after their 2nd career playoff game. Those guys have each played quadruple the amount of playoff games as Justin Herbert.
Why is Lamar brought up to compare against Hebert? Justin Herbert in 5 years has received ONE vote for MVP in 2022. Lamar has WON TWO MVPS!!!! So of course Lamar gets more crap for playoff failures!
Rodgers has won a SB and 4 MVPs. Lamar has 2 MVPs and a AFC championship appearance. Herbert got elite tier 1 QB praise with a grand total of 0 relevant accolades and 0 playoff wins.
it was only his second playoff game, and yes while he’s unquestionably stunk up the joint during both i still don’t see how that’s grounds for overreacting like this? the team, and justin, have completely overachieved this year, and nobody thought they’d even get to the playoffs. also for reference, because let’s not be ahistorical here: peyton manning lost his first three playoff games and in abysmal fashion as well. were the colts supposed to just have crucified him as well? sports media needs to relax…
As a Niners fan, I would give anything to have a guy like Justin Herbert’s! That being said, in spite of his failures in the playoffs, I still like them to be in contention next year because of the greatness in Coach Jim! ❤
As I Niners fan do you remember Purdy 2 comebacks in the playoffs last year. ? I get it Herbert looks the part but chokes . He reminds of Deshuan Watson even before his mess. Never won a big game
@@soda8736 Purdy wasn’t that great, it was more about the Packers and Lions choking imo. Also, pre-rape cases DeShaun was a better playmaker than Justin is/may ever be and back in 2017 I was begging for John and Kyle to take him #3 overall instead of Thomas but, that’s not the kind of guy Shanny wants running the offense. 🤷🏻♂️ (in retrospect it was gonna be a bad situation all the way around with either guy).
A guy that’s supposed to be a top 5 qb according to most experts and not doing much. Also, he got top 3 qb money based on potential and we’re still waiting on the potential to show up.
@kevinstewart8054 Herbert, Burrow, Lawrence, and Tua all got paid from that era of QBs...that's the market. We gonna act like Herbert has an outlier contract?
Another clown argument! So let me get this straight, you’re expecting Herbert to get the same smoke as Lamar? Uh, when he wins 2 MVP’s then he will. Would you care about Herbert if he didn’t sign a huge contract? No, cause that’s where we are with QB’s now. Sorry but fair is a place where they judge pigs! There’s much bigger expectations for Lamar than any other QB, even Mahomes cause he got 3 of them thangs🙏🏽
Justin sherbert & Jordan Dudd did exactly what we knew theyd do throw picks 😂
@@Stumane justin only had 3 picks until the 4 pick game! 4 picks are bad for any qb.
Justin Herbert is just this era's Phillip Rivers. Great rosters/weapons, great stats, and alot of hype every single year....and absolutely nothing to show for it every single year
Herbert doesn’t have Tomlinson, Keenan Allen, or Antonio Gates…what great weapon does Herbert have? McConkey is a rookie
@sokit2em he had Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and Ekeler for years and did nothing. This is the 1st year his weapons were lacking and the results have been the same
Well said
@sokit2em offense and defense stacked Lost to Trevor who gave him 4 first half turnovers and still lost.
Mmmmmmm.....right
For perspective, Lamar Jackson spent four years in the Greg Roman offense (Five in you include his rookie year when Roman was an assistant), with bottom five WR rooms, was even asked to be the team’s leading rusher, and was shown no grace when he struggled in the playoffs. Despite the fact that no QB who has ever been asked to be their team’s leading rusher, has ever won a title. Let alone while also dealing with bottom 5 WR rooms, AND the worst passing scheme in the league.
We all know why. Lamar’s black. There’s never grace for black QBs.
He definitely doesn’t deserve a pass but ppl hardly ever talk about the chargers, hes basically jus there
If you’re getting paid like you’re the guy… then you gotta produce…
You can’t produce by yourself… you need help to win against the better teams cause the Chargers are a good team but they are not good enough to beat winning teams yet until they get Herbert some help.
@@Lauren-cc7yr So it's the Team's fault he thew 4 picks...?
He has a Great Coach and a Great Defense which had been the problem in previous years.
No more excuses.
I’m giving buddy a fair chance, but I see why fans say dude keeps cutting off Rob Parker!!!
Like he use to cut off Chris?
@daa_97 umm you got that the other way buddy. Chris was always cutting him off.
Rob used to be more interested in whatever was in his phone than talking w/Broussard
Justin Herbert = Phillip Rivers 2.0
He gets an annual pass. Like Trevor Lawrence, they only have the measurable’s of ideal NFL QBs
Ain't it funny when they're playing good, they get praise but when they're playing like complete 🗑, it's crickets?
I’m not even sure he was Phillip Rivers.
Phillip rivers at least had the chargers finish as the 1 or 2 seeds a decent amount of times during the Brady and manning era.
Chargers. Barely are making WC with Herbert
Please get this dude off this show! He never lets Rob talk!
What??? Rob is by far the dominant voice r u kidding me
@@warrenrambo Thought I was the only 1 who thought this
Please don't let the national media use "weapons" as an excuse for Herbert when Jackson had W. Snead, M. Boykins, S. Roberts, & Hollywood Brown as his WRs yet got killed for losing...3 of those players aren't in the league anymore & Hollywood is on a 1yr deal with KC...
People were writing think pieces over the off-seasons as to why they would take Herbert over Burrow and Lamar
That playoff loss to the Jaguars deflated this Chargers team. They needed to win that game for their psyche. Certain losses can set a team back with or without a good roaster. It’s a real thing. The confidence and morale needs to be there. The only way to get over a loss is for the team to stay together and go through downs to meet their ups. Owners become too impatient and won’t allow chemistry to form. If that makes sense…
Been saying Herbert was overrated for years! But they say Josh Allen was 😭
The media is being quiet about Herbert. And some are still making excuses for him talking about weapons. Well they traded away their weapons.
Is it just me or does Dude, never let rob get a thought out???
Naw remember we watching 9 min clips. I'm guessing this show is atleast 2hrs
Justin Herbert just prove how great mahome is.
If this was Lamar Jackson they wouldn't give him a pass.
Why is the new guy so damn loud??? Cut his damn mic down
JUSTIN SHERBET
Who has ever put Herbert in the same convo as LJack and Josh Allen?!?!?
Really? People were taking Herbert over Lamar!
EXACTLY…it’s these same pundits who call themselves analyst who put Herbert in that category in the first place who are now MADD at him for proving them wrong lol
Bruh!!!! Many talking heads did this! The loudest people on TV said they'd take him over lamar. That's not a new take. It's crazy
lol plenty of people said Trevor was better than Lamar. It’s comical
The media did don't play like u stupid
No pass from me. Justin Herbert has been just a guy since his rookie season. We've now seen C.J Stroud have an amazing rookie season and Jayden Daniels have an amazing rookie season. Maybe it's just that thing where these highly drafted rookies end up on trash teams with a soft schedule that they overachieve against. This even counts for Dak who, while he wasnt drafted high, was in a s*** division with an amazing back and o-line for that rookie campaign. Its not that Herbert is trash, he just seems to be league average to me.
Its the Los Angeles Chargers a team the casual fans don't know about. Its a small market football team in NFL
Yes but RG3 made a lazy racial argument and idiots like Kelvin picked up .Herbert is just another qb in the second class with Dak , Tua, Purdy , Baker, and them. No one says he's eite but maybe Colllin Cowherd or something..
The best haters in sports media now
Btw, Sam Donald went from cashing-in to bargain-bin, and his coach is not far behind. 4th and 2 yards on the 50 when you didn't have too? Risk/reward, my man
kelvin WASHEDington i also get my rip on when i need to. bring chris back
I hear no shortage of people ripping Herbert because of playoff shortcomings. I have no idea what they are talking about today.
I remember when Peyton Manning always got a free pass
No he didn't. Everyone questioned if he could win a SB b4 he finally won it.
THANK YOU!!!!
I was having this exact conversation with my mate. And I pose the question, 'who you'd rather have Herbert or Nix' we both lean Nix. Herbert lackS DAWG.
I love how he’s acting like this is Harbs first NFL job.
1st, I don’t put Herbert top 8, but saying that I’ve seen him make the best throws I’ve ever seen. I bet if the ball actually had some AI analysis chip I bet Herbert would have some absurd stat like he threw 45% harder than the second fastest throwing QB. Herbert reminds me of senior in college Zion. The athleticism is something other worldly. At least 2x a year he makes a throw that I say “no one, nobody else makes that throw”. I imagine that’s how people felt watching Dan marino
@@trumpdrago517 Dan performed to expectations==herbert has not!
@@deonpowe9259 your opinion. I think there’s 1 goal in football. Win a championship and only pat has. IMO burrow, Lamar or Allen have BARELY done more than Herbert. Also I feel Herbert has the same playoff record as Lamar and burrow given the #1 statistical defense in all HISTORY, the best coach (harbaugh beats Reid in every stat pre pat) Derek Henry and a pro bowl WR, chase and Higgins and the best pass rusher
@trumpdrago517 not true, allen has played in 11 playoff games==6-5 in the playoffs==that's pretty good in my book! Herbert has only been to the playoffs twice and has lost both games.
@@deonpowe9259 what did I say that “wasn’t true”
You knew who else could throw a football hard and far?
Jamarcus Russel 😂😂
Throwing a ball hard or far Doesn’t make you a good qb.
It's Brandon Staley's fault.
I agree 2000000000000%
Dak plays for the Cowboys the most wealthiest team in sports and makes the most in the league. Herbert plays for a team who barely has a fan base. The Cowboys are still in the news every show and aren't in the playoffs. It's and apples to oranges . And the only ones who still giving Herbert a pass is Collin Cowherd. But we live in the times where if you make a lazy racial argument like RG3, followers like Kelvin will pick it up..
Would there be a pass if he was black, Kelvin?
Hell no
Dak would get buried after a 4 pick game! Sam Darnold is much worse!
He went after tomlin so it's not race.
oh stop it, they’ve been giving lamar a pass for how many years now? he’s hardly dominated in his playoff performances either.
Hell naw, we know what time it is
This and maybe 1 other media show talked about him...is Herbert worth his contract?
How could you both get this point so wrong?!!
Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are being criticized BECAUSE they are great!!!!
They are expected to challenge Mahomes- and neither has beaten him yet or made an appearance in the SB.
Herbert has NEVER been expected to challenge Mahomes.
As AFC QBs go- it’s Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen-
Then Burrow
And then EVERYONE else.
4th and 2 10:00 left in 3rd Quarter
Herbert has this out there with him
McConkey, Johnston, Chark, and RB Hassan Haskins. That was the Chargers got to have it group...LOL!!!!
Yep, man Herbert should be CARRYING this group what a loser.
Doesn't he have a bunch of no name wrs?
No one said anything about Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen after their 2nd career playoff game. Those guys have each played quadruple the amount of playoff games as Justin Herbert.
Actually they did.
@endzhere1638 Maybe so but I don't remember it
Cap 🧢
You can’t be serious!
Dude the media crucified Pabst after his 1st and 2nd playoff lost!
@@dek779of course you wouldn’t.
Lamar has played 7 playoff games. There's a high chance his numbers are better than a QB that's only played in 2 games rob g
Why is Lamar brought up to compare against Hebert? Justin Herbert in 5 years has received ONE vote for MVP in 2022. Lamar has WON TWO MVPS!!!! So of course Lamar gets more crap for playoff failures!
We all know why these clowns hate Herbert
Trevor Lawrence doesn't get a pass anymore been stopped getting a pass once they missed the playoffs after a 8-3 start
There's slot of one and done QBs right now besides mahomes and Stafford they're all just regular season Warriors
You do the same thing for Lamar Jackson and Aaron Rodgers
Rodgers has won a SB and 4 MVPs. Lamar has 2 MVPs and a AFC championship appearance. Herbert got elite tier 1 QB praise with a grand total of 0 relevant accolades and 0 playoff wins.
@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON. Plus, Justin Herbert makes as much as Lamar Jackson.
Don’t mention a playoff choker with two legends
@@youngdb9446Did Lamar retire yet.🤔 He's 28 and if he doesn't win a SB until then. STFU 😂
Go look at Lamar Jackson's numbers by game. That's a playoff choker
I give him a pass because Brandon Staley was a baaaad coach
@@donaldchesser157 come wth the excuses!
Good.
it was only his second playoff game, and yes while he’s unquestionably stunk up the joint during both i still don’t see how that’s grounds for overreacting like this? the team, and justin, have completely overachieved this year, and nobody thought they’d even get to the playoffs.
also for reference, because let’s not be ahistorical here: peyton manning lost his first three playoff games and in abysmal fashion as well. were the colts supposed to just have crucified him as well? sports media needs to relax…
Peyton at least had some accolades by that point. Has Herbert even made a pro bowl?
@ herbert has an offensive rookie of the year award and a pro bowl in 2021
LOUDER
Trouble Lawrence has a weak arm
As a Niners fan, I would give anything to have a guy like Justin Herbert’s! That being said, in spite of his failures in the playoffs, I still like them to be in contention next year because of the greatness in Coach Jim! ❤
As I Niners fan do you remember Purdy 2 comebacks in the playoffs last year. ? I get it Herbert looks the part but chokes . He reminds of Deshuan Watson even before his mess. Never won a big game
@@soda8736 Purdy wasn’t that great, it was more about the Packers and Lions choking imo. Also, pre-rape cases DeShaun was a better playmaker than Justin is/may ever be and back in 2017 I was begging for John and Kyle to take him #3 overall instead of Thomas but, that’s not the kind of guy Shanny wants running the offense. 🤷🏻♂️ (in retrospect it was gonna be a bad situation all the way around with either guy).
@nicoalexander774 The media had Watson as a top 5 qb and I never thought that. His last season in Houston he put up a bunch of garbage time numbers..
Exactly what "pass" has he gotten?
A guy that’s supposed to be a top 5 qb according to most experts and not doing much. Also, he got top 3 qb money based on potential and we’re still waiting on the potential to show up.
@kevinstewart8054 That's most of the QBs in the league.
@@BoomorBustmost qb’s got a $50 plus million contract? Man, I need to get a new tv.
@kevinstewart8054 Herbert, Burrow, Lawrence, and Tua all got paid from that era of QBs...that's the market. We gonna act like Herbert has an outlier contract?
@@kevinstewart8054who and when did anyone say he’s top 5. Not saying they didn’t, I just want to look it up
Herbert is a failure. He got paid without doing anything. And he’s been awful in the playoffs and only made it twice
2 playoff games and he's a failure? U dudes are nuts
These guys say this on all these shows , I’ve seen so many legends and historic qb’s take YEARS to win a SB Herbert been in the league what 5 years ?
Another clown argument! So let me get this straight, you’re expecting Herbert to get the same smoke as Lamar? Uh, when he wins 2 MVP’s then he will. Would you care about Herbert if he didn’t sign a huge contract? No, cause that’s where we are with QB’s now. Sorry but fair is a place where they judge pigs! There’s much bigger expectations for Lamar than any other QB, even Mahomes cause he got 3 of them thangs🙏🏽
Yes!! Thank you.. About time.. Herbert is nothing but another Philip rivers..
A quiet more laid back version. Phil was a raw raw guy.