Right. Imagine the level of "air roe gence" it takes for a group to be as FAR OFF from accuracy as this group. (I'm a life long Dem woman with multiple degrees who voted for DT.)
@@roguecop8633 Thank you for being so kind and sincere in asking! That is so rare these days from my Dem party. In fact, that is one of the reasons I'm supporting DT. There are so many other reasons it would be more than you want to hear if I put them all here. I'll mention a few. First, I'm tired of the way my party is "dee munn eyes zing" the other side and any differing opinion. I'm tired of the non truths from KH & the "mee dee ya" that supports her. For example, I watched every minute of every daily live broadcast DT did while in office. Right after each one dozens of articles came out taking one word or phrase he said out of context to completely change it to mean something different than what he'd said. I saw them continue to do that through the election. His policies had us at peace. JB allowed " I ran" to have the money to fund you-know-what when he removed DT's sanctions on them. DT was able to keep "Vlad" in check because he is a good negotiator. The moment DT was out Vlad made his move. Under DT minorities and all people had the highest income increases in decades. DT paved the way for HBCUs to have historic levels of funding. Dems spent billions of our tax dollars and divided our country with their non-stop quest to go against the people's will and remove DT at any cost. They created false "chuh R gez" about DT making our country a kangaroo court and causing the extreme divide we now see. Each non good thing my Dem leaders said DT was doing is actually what they were doing. There's more, but that's a start.
IKR, i think they became so reliant on gaslighting their audience that they've gaslighted themselves into believing late 20th century cable news is still relevant in the age of interactive online content..
The media did not say enough how dangerous he is…. It’s gonna get awful Let’s get ready to Boycott and Protest his awful policies because they are coming
Hahahaha how hysterical is this !!!?? Jen psaki screaming Elon musk is a propagandist while she literally humiliated herself for senile and disgraced Joe Biden and then went on tv and is now paid millions to be even more pathetic for the dem party but on nbc !! Hahahahaha
The lack of self-awareness is incredible to watch. It's just crazy watching these people so out of touch, so disconnected from the American people, so used to reporting nonsense, and also so concerned with misinformation. Are the misinformation.
Exactly! Also when she said she’s concerned where people are getting their information from lol. How dare they listen to other sources and not automatically vote without our endorsement? How dare people think for themselves? I think that is the biggest problem with the Democratic Party and why trump won with such a landslide. Democrats and independents are sick and tired of being told what to think and who to vote for. Most are no longer falling for the media’s biased reporting and actually checking the facts out for themselves. “The masses” are not as dumb as the Democratic Party would like us to be.
@russelld2925 As of 2019, the racial composition of registered voters in the United States was: - White (non-Hispanic): 69% - Black: 11% - Hispanic: 11% - Other races: 8%
Agreed. The sad part is Fox news in court filings when being sued said basically no one with sense would believe what they were saying about the voting machines. They said it out loud that they are on BS, but people keep believing what they put out. It's sad.
@JoeDiMaggio-fu8ld RUclips posted every word Trump said in his rallies and interviews. The mainstream media did not and it spent days reporting on Biden's "garbage gaffe" while making light of Trump's sexist, racist and violent comments daily for months.
Democracy is not a brand. The whole brand discussion is the issue - the corporate takeover of every aspect of the culture makes it clear anything and everything is for sale. It's all advertising. It's what you can make people believe, not what's actually true. The other word for that is propaganda.
In America IMAGE is way more important than REALITY and Trump has always been the master at that. But no one in the history of America has been better at gaming the system than Trump. Trump has lived a life of non-accountability and impunity and it will continue until he dies because that is how America operates.
The "Democratic" party DNC is a corporation that uses "Democracy" as its brand. Because you know if 2 words are similar they must be the same right? DNC simpleton kindergarten level propaganda psychology.
I am sitting here in South Africa and watching this and am truly amazed that these ignorant people on this panel are blaming and trying to find excuses for their devastating loss on everyone and everything except themselves. It truly is unbelievable how out of touch they are and living in some kind of alternate reality bubble. Truly freaking astounding. Gobsmacked in South Africa
Both parties have a history of both winning and losing presidential elections. Republicans lost the executive branch as recently as four years ago. They also lost it in 2012, 2008, 1996, 1992, 1976, 1964, 1960, etc. And every time they lost, they too knew not why.
Both parties have a history of both winning and losing presidential elections. Republicans lost the executive branch as recently as four years ago. They also lost it in 2012, 2008, 1996, 1992, 1976, 1964, 1960, etc. And every time they lost, they too knew not why.
Both parties have a history of both winning and losing presidential elections. Republicans lost the executive branch as recently as four years ago. They also lost it in 2012, 2008, 1996, 1992, 1976, 1964, 1960, etc. And every time they lost, they too knew not why.
One Hundred Per Cent Agree! There was no branding problem, there was a HUGE double standards problem. The bar is always set high for the Democrats and incredibly low for the Republicans. So low that a worm could and did pass under it. America's supposedly liberal media has to take a lot of the blame for this. ..So does the American 'justice' system. Merrick Garland's hesitancy led to this. He tried to avoid the appearance of it being political when the reality was that the Republicans had already made it political. You might as well try to avoid getting wet when you're already underwater. And now criminals are in office when they should be in jail. ..But the worst blame is of course reserved for the Republican Party, who have proved themselves to be treacherous, unprincipled, and downright evil at every turn.
I give you a hint: stop with the identity politics. Stop acting like people won't exist without you. Stop the fear mongering. Stop the over the top predictions. Start understanding the constitution.
You don’t understand the definition of branding. Politics is all about branding and who can convince more voters that their brand is better. Look up the definition of the word.
@@ardeniawells6546yet they belive a guy who told 30k+ lies during his first time and lies almost every time he opens his mouth 😂 what Dems need to do is realize they’re trying to steal uneducated voters so they need to treat republicans how they’d treat a 5th grader since they have the same intellectual capability.
@@ardeniawells6546 in all HONESTY, we don't see it with the republicans either. They are all LYING. For MONEY. It's a CAREER. And they don't CARE about YOU. None of them do.
It's not a brand problem. Who was covering Biden and his administration these past 4 years? Who was covering Lina Khan's monopoly busting? Once upon a time the sitting president was the one in the news. Legacy media kept the former president's presence front and center Every Single Day. I wish I'd been more assertive about calling the media out sooner and often and encouraged my friends to do it.
This! Thank you for saying it here. This is the first time I've seen a former president get so much attention yet somehow all of his wild deeds get wrapped nearly in a bow and dropped after a few days. I had to hear about Biden being frail and senile for weeks if not months. Media would cover Biden the day an executive order or bill got passed but even then focused more on Congress. Not to mention Trump is the only former president consistently be called President every time the media mentions him. Yet somehow they manage to always address Obama as Former President Barack Obama. Trump has been given a level of respect and deference that directly led to this moment, and most of America believing he was the best thing to happen to us.
@@blackout07blueHe spent his entire campaign regurgitating "gas price, gas price." He went on Joe Rogan (a show that's so ridiculously popular that many liberals watch) for hours while kamala went on legacy TV late night shows that only 40 year Democrat ladies watch. If trump is good at something, it's that he pretends to care about the common man.
Ever heard of a guy named Elon Musk. No? He's a billionaire. And he alone gave Trump 50 million dollars. So stop with the lies regarding who gets money from rich donors. Both sides do.
Of course you did. You can think for yourself, analyze the options, and select what course of action is most likely to benefit yourself, your community and your nation. And your education did not fuzzy up your head with indoctrination, so you get bonus points!
True, it's always been a Bigly Drama Reality Show, just that the weird has really taken over there this century. I doubt there's another country on this planet that practices the '7 Deadly Sins' any better and more often than the DSA!
That is true. You're leaving out other methods of indoctrination: How 'bout sunday school. All truthful education or indoctrination? Same goes for home schooling: no chance to escape parental indoctrination, is there? The only chance I see is the immersion in as diverse situations as possible. Join a local band. Team up with church, but don't neglect a workers' union. Befriend local artists and plumbers alike. Go to Europe or Asia in foreign exchange programs. Each of these have their variant of indoctrination. The more of them you experience, the broader and less indoctrinated your view on the world will become.
@carlosenriquez9852 This Country has voted for a President and Vice-president ever since the 12th Amendment went into effect on the 1804 Elections. Before that happened, a President was elected, whoever was #2 became the Vice-president, their party did not matter, and there were multiple parties.
Evil ideas? Free lunch for school kids? Social security for the elderly? Clean air to breathe? Clean water to drink? Unemployment and healthcare? Are these things evil? I always thought they were in line with Jesus teaching. What am I missing
@@yomama1254 They will have more than enough food under Trump. Democrats lumped all Hispanics into one group and used identity politics to try and convince Hispanic voters that Harris should get their vote. The Dems didn't even think that Hispanics in America today don't vote as a group or a cultural demographic. They vote in order to make their lives, and the lives of their families, better. They aren't going to vote, like Sunny Hostin thinks they should, to make life better for migrants coming across the border, just because they are Hispanic. Hispanics want to be treated like any other ordinary American who wants to elect the right candidate for a myriad of reasons, which always include financial security and physical security. They see what is going on with the millions of migrants and they don't like it either. They see the Venezuelan gang members terrorizing communities and they don't like it either.
@@yomama1254😂 You can't even define a 'woman! Is equal rights LeBron James slam dunking on the WNBA?! Lol, AOC is your best and brightest! , and you can't figure out why you lost EVERY swing state!?
I am ‘college’ educated and I really hate the way they talk about “white college educated women’ as if they are superior. Some of the biggest idiots I have met are college educated. Not everyone has money to go to college. It’s that condescending attitude as to why they are out of power.
There is not a fundamental problem with the democratic party.... There is a fundamental difference in the American voters values and the perception of how the government actually works for us
The fundamental problem with Democrats is that they simply don't know when to leave. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was ancient and in terrible health. Everyone, EVERYONE told her to retire so Obama could appoint her replacement. She refused, died, and we got a far right justice instead. Joe Biden was over 80 years old. Everyone wanted him to step aside, he refused until his disastrous debate performance, and we had kamala forced upon us. She's a uniquely despised politician (remember her utterly bombing in 2020, being one of the first people forced out), and ended up getting over 15 million fewer votes than Biden did in 2020. If we had a proper primary process, we would have been much stronger going into this election.
That begins with a new vision of the electoral infrastructure and how the districts should reflect their constituents, not the other way around. I like that Trump won, but unfortunately, the electoral problems the country faces are still going to be a problem and will likely continue for a long time after Trump has served his 2nd term. Representation should mean something in an age of special interests and elitist, unelected governmental officials who compell many elements of the government to talk out the sides of their mouths. That's not just a left or right problem, that's a broadly political problem.
A political party is only described a a ‘brand’, like hair gel, in the US. This is where it was predicted back 50 years, that the US would end up. The medium is the message, or more accurately the ‘massage’. Values haven’t mattered since the Tea Party. The Boston Tea Party.
I agree that you have a brand problem. You can't call yourself democrat and then select candidate in the most undemocratic way as you did in the recent elections
“ installed “ 😂 he literally won the popular vote elected by a majority of American citizens mind you I do not like and didn’t vote for him , but “installed “ though ???!!
Mexico is the easiest place to immigrate to. Safest for Americans. Canada doesn't want us. Europe will take us if we have $500,000 per person to get in.
@@dope03pope he will not leave. That's what installed means. there will never be another election again in this country that isn't fake like Putin's elections are fake. The great American experiment and democracy is over. Fascism rules. Racism rules, misogyny rules. He is installed.
The Republican party is only conning a large segment of America who believe Trump will give them what they want, which is not true since he’s a pathological liar. After the damage, they will learn that the one percent is running everything. 😮
@ Why are you talking about two different things? If you have never been to rural America, you just won’t get it. They have a strong sense of who they are. And Republicans have been able to add their name to the list of what that means. But what you say about Urban people makes no sense. For one, instead of the feeling that all rural people can relate somewhat wherever they are, every urban area doesn’t think of themselves as urban vs rural. They identity themselves by which city. People from the countryside get this too! It adds to their sense of other. It’s like a city person doesn’t consider the rural areas as anything, only which city counts. I completely don’t understand your point on Hamas. There can’t be even 1% of urban people agreeing with Hamas. What you may have is a larger portion of people concerned about the innocent Palestinian people who are being killed by Israel. The Israel issue was a huge problem for Kamala as she had to appease both sides which is fundamentally hard to do. She needed Muslim Americans to vote for her and she needed Jewish Americans to vote for her. Trump didn’t care about either group, but he did care a bit more for the Jewish side.
@@RexKing-b1j ? Trump's daughter, Tiffany, is married to an Arab. His father, born in Lebanon, campaigned for Trump in Michigan. Massad Boulos: The Lebanese businessman behind Trump’s Arab-American votes As Trump’s inner circle gains influence, Boulos’s diplomatic reach with the Arab-American community may provide an opening for a renewed US-Arab partnership. Boulos's son is married to Trump's daughter.
The deeper underlying causes need to be addressed, it’s not simply a brand or messaging problem. Start with education- teaching children to think, & explaining the importance of democracy. Build community, with stronger connections & foundations of mutual respect, decency, care for others.
MSNBC 2021: Trumps going to jail MSNBC 2022: Trumps going to jail MSNBC 2023: Trumps going to jail MSNBC 2024: Trump is the Next president of United States 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@markcosenza3274 . As you never went to school you probably do not know the difference between a Socialist a Communist and a Fascist is . Fascism is like Islam or Christian Fundamentalism . Communism is where all business is conducted only by the State . Socialism is where schooling, use of infer -structure ,medical care and policing is all free.
I find it very ironic (not funny at all) that a person who says "white college educated women" can't figure out why they are losing. Education can't help you figure out why you keep losing. The amount of irony in that is outstanding....
Doom and gloom? How did you ever survive the 1st Trump presidency? We lost all our rights. Especially women. Women lost everything. In fact, most women were murdered under the 1st Trump term. They lost their right to vote. Gas prices were half under Trump (the horror) Inflation was low (DOOM) Homes were affordable (Gloom) There was NO WAR (LOCK HIM UP) So much doom and gloom. Perhaps you need to see a professional to help you with that Trump derangement issue.
@@daleboylen6427 That was because there were people around him that were loyal to the Constitution. For an example, his executive order to ban all Muslims from entering the country. That was straight up religious bigotry. As for me, I proud and happy ot the years that I have spent as a human being. I just wonder what life will be like after Jan '25, when I will be considered as 'vermin'.
Americans are holding different definitions of democracy. We are holding different definitions of many things. There was more consensus of terms in the past.
No god is going to save you. We wouldn't be here if there was a god. If you believe in a god, then you believe it's ok for him to torture you and abuse you at will. Only to swoop down feom the heavens and save you. All the while, your god is preparing to strike you again. We don't need saving by a god. We need saving from a god.
Intellectual arrogance also plays a role in warped perceptions about the rest of society. References to "uneducated" people reflect on an elitist flavor in the speaker's mentality.
Right? I want to see what the camera's have to show us, when the "russians called" in with 💥 threats? And remember trumpet said we got people in place???
the media thinks Americans are mostly good honest ppl when actually, 60% of white Americans are hard core racist.....Dmocrats like Biden & Merrick Garland refuse to prosecute trump....Garland went after all the "little" fish, wouldn't prosecute trump....Biden refused to fire Garland....Another Democrat that REFEUSES to do anything against trump....Democrats are TOO nice, soft....weak....
Establishment media main job is to push narrative policy down from above not ascertain accrue data and report analysis from below.. Group think 101. They are string from the masters hand to influence and shape your thoughts thus actions. Tell you what to think and direct you to a beneficial outcome for the top of the pyramid from whence the string emanates. Psychological conditioning social control. The monkey doesnt need to understand nor be told truth he just needs to be trained to pull the lever.
Well ... we had a good run. Managed to do some interesting things before the SHTF. But now it may be time to get down into the weeds. Remember, you can go weeks and weeks without food, but you need about 3.7-liters of water every day to preserve renal function. At the very least, learn how to produce potable water in the wild. Not kidding about this. Grand Convergence coming. Trump and co. are a big part of that.
@@TheTha411 I don't live in th US so I won't be the one crying. Oh, she didn't , stop falling for propaghanda fool. You won't be able to afford to eat soon. Just blame it on Obama.
You guys are reading this all wrong...what is happening here. We're blaming the sane people for being sane instead of addressing the elephant in the room.😔
Are you still looking for Russian collusion under your bed? Is there ‘nothing wrong’ with Joe Biden? Did you enjoy Obama’s banker bailout? You keep reading your Democrat propaganda while it’s still being printed… I’m headed out to do a victory lap in my pickup.
99% of people do neither and watch or listen to online interactive media on Twitter, RUclips, and Rumble.. Corporate MSM is dying and so is their audience... Literally.
The New York Times ran 196 negative articles on Biden's mental decline vs 6-10 negative articles on Trump's mental decline during the same time period. It is biased for Trump.
I guess these were the people that I was listening to on the radio, this sounds very familiar. At some point one of the guys says something like "we have to start being truthful" and the rest of the panel erupted in incomprehensible babbling for about 20 seconds. Cover blown.
😂😂 She could’ve endorsed the stay-in-Mexico policy. She could’ve explained inflation is worldwide and that we have record oil/gas production. Kamala is so awful at this.
Having an actual solid policy on anything would've been a good start. Her admin was spamming pro-palestine adverts to arab hotspots and pro-israel adverts to jewish hotspots, and that's just one.
About a third of Americans embrace authoritarianism. About a third oppose authoritarianism. About a third don't care, and thus don't vote. This isn't about a party. This is about freedom vs authoritarianism. Authoritarianism has, unfortunately, won.
@ The citizen has always rights, whereas the customer is always right. The citizen is responsible for his/ her choices, and is expected to live with the consequences, whereas the customer can always return the object of his/her choices, and expect a full refund every time. Capitalism has shaped American culture far more profoundly over the past three decades, than democracy has. It is therefore hardly surprising that the American people chose a leader with a purely transactional mind. The brands they are used to buyingall of their stuff from, and have shaped their identities from birth, have always been led by purely transactional minds. It is ( dare I say it) the most natural choice for them to make.
@@Sophiedorian0535 Yes, apparently the ladies saying they think the US should be run like a business were on to something. They're wrong, but they got it right.
There yaaaaa go lol white educated woman voted for harris ,so your just calling the other ones stupid and dumb then ask why you lost! You guys are just soooooo out of touch
Get your news from somewhere else. Independent podcasters have to tell the truth or they will lose their audience. Main stream corporate media is dying and that's a great thing.
The people on this video don’t actually realize that they’re one of the biggest issues
Right. Imagine the level of "air roe gence" it takes for a group to be as FAR OFF from accuracy as this group. (I'm a life long Dem woman with multiple degrees who voted for DT.)
@@c88485 Why? Seriously asking
@@roguecop8633she believes in the first amendment I assume
@@jcmiisbeast5288 How do you mean?
@@roguecop8633 Thank you for being so kind and sincere in asking! That is so rare these days from my Dem party. In fact, that is one of the reasons I'm supporting DT. There are so many other reasons it would be more than you want to hear if I put them all here. I'll mention a few. First, I'm tired of the way my party is "dee munn eyes zing" the other side and any differing opinion. I'm tired of the non truths from KH & the "mee dee ya" that supports her. For example, I watched every minute of every daily live broadcast DT did while in office. Right after each one dozens of articles came out taking one word or phrase he said out of context to completely change it to mean something different than what he'd said. I saw them continue to do that through the election. His policies had us at peace. JB allowed " I ran" to have the money to fund you-know-what when he removed DT's sanctions on them. DT was able to keep "Vlad" in check because he is a good negotiator. The moment DT was out Vlad made his move. Under DT minorities and all people had the highest income increases in decades. DT paved the way for HBCUs to have historic levels of funding. Dems spent billions of our tax dollars and divided our country with their non-stop quest to go against the people's will and remove DT at any cost. They created false "chuh R gez" about DT making our country a kangaroo court and causing the extreme divide we now see. Each non good thing my Dem leaders said DT was doing is actually what they were doing. There's more, but that's a start.
Honey, the legacy media is DEAD.
IKR, i think they became so reliant on gaslighting their audience that they've gaslighted themselves into believing late 20th century cable news is still relevant in the age of interactive online content..
Podcasts are more influential
No America is after this election
The media did not say enough how dangerous he is….
It’s gonna get awful
Let’s get ready to Boycott and Protest his awful policies because they are coming
@@mikeborrelli193
If you're right that's a sad state of events because relying on my fellow Americans to be impartial and consistent is lunacy.
“We have a brand problem” says the living embodiment of the brand problem
Hahahaha how hysterical is this !!!??
Jen psaki screaming Elon musk is a propagandist while she literally humiliated herself for senile and disgraced Joe Biden and then went on tv and is now paid millions to be even more pathetic for the dem party but on nbc !! Hahahahaha
That’s elite phobic
I was literally about to post the same thing. The thumbnail says it all.
The lack of self-awareness is incredible to watch. It's just crazy watching these people so out of touch, so disconnected from the American people, so used to reporting nonsense, and also so concerned with misinformation. Are the misinformation.
Dude it’s like Hunger Games insane. They literally have to be the most vapid people on the planet.
Exactly! Also when she said she’s concerned where people are getting their information from lol. How dare they listen to other sources and not automatically vote without our endorsement? How dare people think for themselves?
I think that is the biggest problem with the Democratic Party and why trump won with such a landslide. Democrats and independents are sick and tired of being told what to think and who to vote for. Most are no longer falling for the media’s biased reporting and actually checking the facts out for themselves. “The masses” are not as dumb as the Democratic Party would like us to be.
They had the biggest look in the mirror night of all time and they refuse to do it
It should be baffling, although I think that maybe deep down they know and just don’t want to admit it
@russelld2925 As of 2019, the racial composition of registered voters in the United States was:
- White (non-Hispanic): 69% - Black: 11% - Hispanic: 11% - Other races: 8%
It's not a "brand problem". It's a disinformation problem.
Agreed. The sad part is Fox news in court filings when being sued said basically no one with sense would believe what they were saying about the voting machines. They said it out loud that they are on BS, but people keep believing what they put out. It's sad.
It's a cult problem.
It is a communication problem because misinformation has been spreading faster than the truth, and Elon understood that!!!
95% of the so called dis-information came from THIS channel.
They are as they have always been.
Loser
Now for a fleeting moment reality creeps into their little bubbles.
The country heard your message loud and clear: We REJECTED it.
It was forced down our throats, we resoundingly regurgitated it.
Are you an unkind person? Would you mock a disabled reporter?
@@lynndenault8198stop being a victim
@@lynndenault8198Biden mocked half the country by calling them trash and I’m sure some of them were special need see what I did there liberal
@@lynndenault8198: What disability? He has some paralysis or palsy?
The legacy media is the problem, not "the brand."
@JoeDiMaggio-fu8ld no
@JoeDiMaggio-fu8ld RUclips posted every word Trump said in his rallies and interviews. The mainstream media did not and it spent days reporting on Biden's "garbage gaffe" while making light of Trump's sexist, racist and violent comments daily for months.
@JoeDiMaggio-fu8ldhow???? Free speech??? Both sides are there
Both the media and the brand are atrocious
They lie so much.
Democracy is not a brand. The whole brand discussion is the issue - the corporate takeover of every aspect of the culture makes it clear anything and everything is for sale. It's all advertising. It's what you can make people believe, not what's actually true. The other word for that is propaganda.
In America IMAGE is way more important than REALITY and Trump has always been the master at that. But no one in the history of America has been better at gaming the system than Trump. Trump has lived a life of non-accountability and impunity and it will continue until he dies because that is how America operates.
The "Democratic" party DNC is a corporation that uses "Democracy" as its brand. Because you know if 2 words are similar they must be the same right? DNC simpleton kindergarten level propaganda psychology.
Good analysis.
"It's what you can make people believe, not what's actually true." is Trump in a nutshell.
What you just described actually is the democrat brand, and its why we are done with it.
I didn't leave the Democratic Party, they left me.
I am sitting here in South Africa and watching this and am truly amazed that these ignorant people on this panel are blaming and trying to find excuses for their devastating loss on everyone and everything except themselves. It truly is unbelievable how out of touch they are and living in some kind of alternate reality bubble. Truly freaking astounding.
Gobsmacked in South Africa
@@beechnut8779Well, democrats...
Real America men don't want tampons in male bathrooms.
Both parties have a history of both winning and losing presidential elections.
Republicans lost the executive branch as recently as four years ago.
They also lost it in 2012, 2008, 1996, 1992, 1976, 1964, 1960, etc.
And every time they lost, they too knew not why.
Both parties have a history of both winning and losing presidential elections.
Republicans lost the executive branch as recently as four years ago.
They also lost it in 2012, 2008, 1996, 1992, 1976, 1964, 1960, etc.
And every time they lost, they too knew not why.
Both parties have a history of both winning and losing presidential elections.
Republicans lost the executive branch as recently as four years ago.
They also lost it in 2012, 2008, 1996, 1992, 1976, 1964, 1960, etc.
And every time they lost, they too knew not why.
The sane washing by the media was a huge problem!
@@MaryMcNitt yup
Yeah, there was no way to make Kamala seem sober.
for sure,, you said it /
Absolutely.
One Hundred Per Cent Agree! There was no branding problem, there was a HUGE double standards problem. The bar is always set high for the Democrats and incredibly low for the Republicans. So low that a worm could and did pass under it. America's supposedly liberal media has to take a lot of the blame for this.
..So does the American 'justice' system. Merrick Garland's hesitancy led to this. He tried to avoid the appearance of it being political when the reality was that the Republicans had already made it political. You might as well try to avoid getting wet when you're already underwater. And now criminals are in office when they should be in jail.
..But the worst blame is of course reserved for the Republican Party, who have proved themselves to be treacherous, unprincipled, and downright evil at every turn.
I give you a hint: stop with the identity politics. Stop acting like people won't exist without you. Stop the fear mongering. Stop the over the top predictions. Start understanding the constitution.
It's not a brand problem, it was never a "brand Problem" and thinking that it IS a "Brand Problem" is PART OF THE PROBLEM!!
You don’t understand the definition of branding. Politics is all about branding and who can convince more voters that their brand is better. Look up the definition of the word.
@@ardeniawells6546yet they belive a guy who told 30k+ lies during his first time and lies almost every time he opens his mouth 😂 what Dems need to do is realize they’re trying to steal uneducated voters so they need to treat republicans how they’d treat a 5th grader since they have the same intellectual capability.
@@ardeniawells6546 in all HONESTY, we don't see it with the republicans either. They are all LYING. For MONEY. It's a CAREER. And they don't CARE about YOU. None of them do.
@@ardeniawells6546 I'd argue with you about this. We will see how you feel in four years after MAGA and Trump get through.
@@tamiosterday7705 "I'd argue with you about this, but I don't have an argument 😢"
Very convincing.
“college educated” is a buzz term for “politically indoctrinated”
The probably studied Woman Studies. The irony.
It's amusing that they never consider that they are reaching people but their message is rejected.
well said !
Yep
Exactly.
It's not a brand problem. Who was covering Biden and his administration these past 4 years? Who was covering Lina Khan's monopoly busting? Once upon a time the sitting president was the one in the news. Legacy media kept the former president's presence front and center Every Single Day. I wish I'd been more assertive about calling the media out sooner and often and encouraged my friends to do it.
This! Thank you for saying it here. This is the first time I've seen a former president get so much attention yet somehow all of his wild deeds get wrapped nearly in a bow and dropped after a few days. I had to hear about Biden being frail and senile for weeks if not months. Media would cover Biden the day an executive order or bill got passed but even then focused more on Congress. Not to mention Trump is the only former president consistently be called President every time the media mentions him. Yet somehow they manage to always address Obama as Former President Barack Obama. Trump has been given a level of respect and deference that directly led to this moment, and most of America believing he was the best thing to happen to us.
Yeah, all we hear is Trump. He sucks up all the oxygen!
Whenever you call half the country garbage and lost
It’s almost as if you need to appeal to the working class not please billionaire donors.
Trump didn’t appeal to them at all. Lol except culturally.
@blackout07blue so he appealed to them then 😂
Lol. And he was apparently very appealing
@@blackout07blueHe spent his entire campaign regurgitating "gas price, gas price." He went on Joe Rogan (a show that's so ridiculously popular that many liberals watch) for hours while kamala went on legacy TV late night shows that only 40 year Democrat ladies watch. If trump is good at something, it's that he pretends to care about the common man.
Ever heard of a guy named Elon Musk. No? He's a billionaire. And he alone gave Trump 50 million dollars. So stop with the lies regarding who gets money from rich donors. Both sides do.
I’m an educated woman with a Master’s Degree. I voted for Trump.
I'm sorry for the loss of your brain
@@js27-a5tyou have our permission to cry about it
I guess the child who is invcested and forced to carry to birth is irrelevant to you. Got it.
so it's the racism for you, then?
Of course you did. You can think for yourself, analyze the options, and select what course of action is most likely to benefit yourself, your community and your nation. And your education did not fuzzy up your head with indoctrination, so you get bonus points!
For the money the DNC spent on the election they could install at least 8 EV chargers.
which nobody will ever use
You are watching people that are soon going to be unemployed and unemployable.
No brand problem, not communication problem. This is what ths USA is at its core.
Completely agree!
True, it's always been a Bigly Drama Reality Show, just that the weird has really taken over there this century.
I doubt there's another country on this planet that practices the '7 Deadly Sins' any better and more often than the DSA!
Or maybe people are fed up with democrats promising one thing and giving another. But keep blaming everyone but those responsible, that will fix it.
Thanks s is why the USA is on its way to a 3rd world country
@@benjaminhenderson5025no...they just mostly stupid. USA,not a very nice bunch of people,apparently. And much dumber than we thought and hoped.
Not a brand problem. This is who America is.
If you don't like it, china has an approach you would like better
Yeah, it's pretty clear at this point. The people who voted for Trump this time knew what they were doing.
Finally someone (other than me) says it.
@@JustAskingForAFriendOfAFriendWhy move to China when you can stay home and have Trump introduce the same approach for you?
You can always go to puerto rico😁
"college educated" means indoctrinated.
That is true. You're leaving out other methods of indoctrination:
How 'bout sunday school. All truthful education or indoctrination? Same goes for home schooling: no chance to escape parental indoctrination, is there? The only chance I see is the immersion in as diverse situations as possible.
Join a local band. Team up with church, but don't neglect a workers' union. Befriend local artists and plumbers alike. Go to Europe or Asia in foreign exchange programs.
Each of these have their variant of indoctrination. The more of them you experience, the broader and less indoctrinated your view on the world will become.
There's a big difference between "educated " and "credentialed "
@@tubenhans6190 you're right. But at least Sunday school doesn't put you in debt as well
Here is an idea. Hold an open primary.
That doesn't explain the stupidity of the American people.
Oh, I'm sure that would've made everything just fine. Complete sarcasm if you didn't get that, but you probably didn't the comment like you just made.
There is absolutely nothing anywhere in the Constitution regarding the nomination process, it does not exist.
14 million Americans voted for Biden and Harris in the Democratic primaries.
@carlosenriquez9852
This Country has voted for a President and Vice-president ever since the 12th Amendment went into effect on the 1804 Elections.
Before that happened, a President was elected, whoever was #2 became the Vice-president, their party did not matter, and there were multiple parties.
God bless Tim Miller for being able to come on here and remain calm and collected despite how devastated he must be right now.
Howell louder commie
😂😂😂. Hilarious
Tim Miller???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA get over it leftturrd, TRUMP WON!!!! hahahahaa
@@mikeduke7613 It's a Neanderthal party, hey!
@@robertbunnell9590 It's 'howl' not 'howell'...
lol they just got shellacked and STILL don’t get it. It’s not a brand problem. You have terrible and evil ideas. That’s it.
Evil ideas? Free lunch for school kids? Social security for the elderly? Clean air to breathe? Clean water to drink? Unemployment and healthcare?
Are these things evil? I always thought they were in line with Jesus teaching. What am I missing
And just plain unlikeable.
@@codypiccillo4427 yea kids with enough food is such a terrible idea. Women having equal rights is also a terrible idea.
@@yomama1254 They will have more than enough food under Trump. Democrats lumped all Hispanics into one group and used identity politics to try and convince Hispanic voters that Harris should get their vote. The Dems didn't even think that Hispanics in America today don't vote as a group or a cultural demographic. They vote in order to make their lives, and the lives of their families, better. They aren't going to vote, like Sunny Hostin thinks they should, to make life better for migrants coming across the border, just because they are Hispanic. Hispanics want to be treated like any other ordinary American who wants to elect the right candidate for a myriad of reasons, which always include financial security and physical security. They see what is going on with the millions of migrants and they don't like it either. They see the Venezuelan gang members terrorizing communities and they don't like it either.
@@yomama1254😂 You can't even define a 'woman! Is equal rights LeBron James slam dunking on the WNBA?! Lol, AOC is your best and brightest! , and you can't figure out why you lost EVERY swing state!?
I am ‘college’ educated and I really hate the way they talk about “white college educated women’ as if they are superior. Some of the biggest idiots I have met are college educated. Not everyone has money to go to college. It’s that condescending attitude as to why they are out of power.
These geniuses thought that Taylor Swift, whose core fanbase consists of eight to fifteen years old girls, would win them the election.
There is not a fundamental problem with the democratic party.... There is a fundamental difference in the American voters values and the perception of how the government actually works for us
Nope the Democrats have gone too far left. Most Americans don't want progressive politics.
The Democrats are too far left
The American people are tired of an open border and woke crap
The fundamental problem with Democrats is that they simply don't know when to leave. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was ancient and in terrible health. Everyone, EVERYONE told her to retire so Obama could appoint her replacement. She refused, died, and we got a far right justice instead.
Joe Biden was over 80 years old. Everyone wanted him to step aside, he refused until his disastrous debate performance, and we had kamala forced upon us. She's a uniquely despised politician (remember her utterly bombing in 2020, being one of the first people forced out), and ended up getting over 15 million fewer votes than Biden did in 2020. If we had a proper primary process, we would have been much stronger going into this election.
Wrong. There is a distinct problem with the Democratic party.
I think we need to be discussing how we protect democracy, not the Democratic party.
Democracy has spoken. He won the popular vote this time too. Democracy will be fine.
Americans don’t want “our democracy”! Americans want their constitutional republic!! Get lernt!!!
Don't have a democracy. Never did.
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That begins with a new vision of the electoral infrastructure and how the districts should reflect their constituents, not the other way around. I like that Trump won, but unfortunately, the electoral problems the country faces are still going to be a problem and will likely continue for a long time after Trump has served his 2nd term. Representation should mean something in an age of special interests and elitist, unelected governmental officials who compell many elements of the government to talk out the sides of their mouths. That's not just a left or right problem, that's a broadly political problem.
A political party is only described a a ‘brand’, like hair gel, in the US. This is where it was predicted back 50 years, that the US would end up. The medium is the message, or more accurately the ‘massage’. Values haven’t mattered since the Tea Party. The Boston Tea Party.
I agree that you have a brand problem. You can't call yourself democrat and then select candidate in the most undemocratic way as you did in the recent elections
Kamala was elected along with Joe Biden.
I am watching the view and MSNBC for two weeks straight from now on. 😂😂
Everyone on that set is what's wrong with the democrat party. And putting everyone in gruops
media is a big problem!!! ALL MEDIA! YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR THIS ALSO!
He told the people he did not need the vote. He had enough votes.
There's something dirty in Denmark! He cheated in 2016 and in 2020. Why wouldn't he do it again?
Lol election denier!!! Conspiracy theorist!!! 😂
@@theadorebundy4514 lol, NOW THAT'S RICH!!!
@susanhewitt6359 lol your dellusion runs deep... you're absolutely going to lose sleep over this bwahahaha na-na-na-na-na-naaaaaa
They knew something the rest of America didn't. It was their secret.
"Inflation is a sign of a healthy economy" - Jen Psaki
There is no "move forward"! This was it. They're installed now.
“ installed “ 😂 he literally won the popular vote elected by a majority of American citizens mind you I do not like and didn’t vote for him , but “installed “ though ???!!
Mexico is the easiest place to immigrate to. Safest for Americans. Canada doesn't want us. Europe will take us if we have $500,000 per person to get in.
@@dope03pope he will not leave. That's what installed means. there will never be another election again in this country that isn't fake like Putin's elections are fake. The great American experiment and democracy is over. Fascism rules. Racism rules, misogyny rules. He is installed.
Kamala was the one who was installed as the candidate for Democrats despite earning NO votes there.
😂 Installed by American voters maybe. This was definitely it though. It's a celebration 🍾 No more Democratic nonsense!!!! We are free 🎆🎆🎆🎆🎇
The rural issue IS the culture war. Rural people have their culture and Republicans have really been identifying that and capitalizing on it.
The Republican party is only conning a large segment of America who believe Trump will give them what they want, which is not true since he’s a pathological liar. After the damage, they will learn that the one percent is running everything. 😮
"Rural" is hate speech in this context. Check the diversity of this win, Trump even narrowed the gender gap.
And what is being urban exactly ? Shouting "thank you for your bombs, Hamas" in pro palestinian rallies ?
@ Why are you talking about two different things? If you have never been to rural America, you just won’t get it. They have a strong sense of who they are. And Republicans have been able to add their name to the list of what that means. But what you say about Urban people makes no sense. For one, instead of the feeling that all rural people can relate somewhat wherever they are, every urban area doesn’t think of themselves as urban vs rural. They identity themselves by which city. People from the countryside get this too! It adds to their sense of other. It’s like a city person doesn’t consider the rural areas as anything, only which city counts.
I completely don’t understand your point on Hamas. There can’t be even 1% of urban people agreeing with Hamas. What you may have is a larger portion of people concerned about the innocent Palestinian people who are being killed by Israel. The Israel issue was a huge problem for Kamala as she had to appease both sides which is fundamentally hard to do. She needed Muslim Americans to vote for her and she needed Jewish Americans to vote for her. Trump didn’t care about either group, but he did care a bit more for the Jewish side.
@@RexKing-b1j ? Trump's daughter, Tiffany, is married to an Arab. His father, born in Lebanon, campaigned for Trump in Michigan.
Massad Boulos: The Lebanese businessman behind Trump’s Arab-American votes
As Trump’s inner circle gains influence, Boulos’s diplomatic reach with the Arab-American community may provide an opening for a renewed US-Arab partnership.
Boulos's son is married to Trump's daughter.
It seems almost impossible that these people don't understand they are the best advertisement for the GOP in the country.
"you can complain about the web, but the spider is your problem now"
"Brand problem" .... no your ideas are rotten to the core and people are rejecting them.
Democrat media's distain for free political thought is what brought them to this place.
Yup.. if you disagree with them they just call you stupid, racist and woman hating 😂.. hope they keep doing it
Repackage it all you want, it still will be rejected.
I'm here for the coping. Psaki is unbearable. Thank you MSNBC for getting Trump back in the White house.
Pure gold. And guess what, we get to enjoy the entertainment for 4 years! ❤
Big surprise he was with Romney. Now he's a Democrat.
Ya'll clueless. Too far removed from normal folks.
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@@JMSideAccount Garbage bin.
@@AI-xs4fp yall holding up with DJT’s win?🏆 👏💃💃💃💃☝️
The deeper underlying causes need to be addressed, it’s not simply a brand or messaging problem.
Start with education- teaching children to think, & explaining the importance of democracy.
Build community, with stronger connections & foundations of mutual respect, decency, care for others.
It will be difficult to do these things now that we will see a religious theocracy installed.
Were not a democracy, were a Constitutional Republic. This is basic American history. Americans are not on your side..
@@djfrank68
Oh, stop your conspiracy theories
Too late.
None of that matters now. It's all over. There is no hope. There is nothing to be done except run.
MSNBC 2021: Trumps going to jail
MSNBC 2022: Trumps going to jail
MSNBC 2023: Trumps going to jail
MSNBC 2024: Trump is the Next president of United States 😂😂😂😂😂😂
People get the leader they deserve sometimes!
Yes! A non Communist!😂😂
This wont age well!!! @markcosenza3274
Are you a homosexual ??? I'm sorry for your loss...
@@markcosenza3274 . As you never went to school you probably do not know the difference between a Socialist a Communist and a Fascist is . Fascism is like Islam or Christian Fundamentalism . Communism is where all business is conducted only by the State . Socialism is where schooling, use of infer -structure ,medical care and policing is all free.
We definitely deserve a Trump presidency! I can't wait until he gets started.
We had one dunce for 4 years, after the side chick said she wouldn’t change a thing was her message
What was strange to me was how Biden dropped out of the race, and the Democratic Party was told for whom to vote.
I find it very ironic (not funny at all) that a person who says "white college educated women" can't figure out why they are losing. Education can't help you figure out why you keep losing. The amount of irony in that is outstanding....
None of us will be unscathed, even the Republicans.
Doom and Gloom
Doom and gloom?
How did you ever survive the 1st Trump presidency?
We lost all our rights. Especially women. Women lost everything. In fact, most women were murdered under the 1st Trump term. They lost their right to vote.
Gas prices were half under Trump (the horror)
Inflation was low (DOOM)
Homes were affordable (Gloom)
There was NO WAR (LOCK HIM UP)
So much doom and gloom.
Perhaps you need to see a professional to help you with that Trump derangement issue.
Go outside and touch grass.
@@daleboylen6427 That was because there were people around him that were loyal to the Constitution. For an example, his executive order to ban all Muslims from entering the country. That was straight up religious bigotry. As for me, I proud and happy ot the years that I have spent as a human being. I just wonder what life will be like after Jan '25, when I will be considered as 'vermin'.
Don't they realize college educated women means going to high school an extra 4 years and charged $75,000 for the privilege.
This panel belongs in a circus.
Americans are holding different definitions of democracy. We are holding different definitions of many things. There was more consensus of terms in the past.
If these clowns aren't acting, they're delusional. It's like a corpse doing his own autopsy.
😂
May god help us
No god is going to save you. We wouldn't be here if there was a god. If you believe in a god, then you believe it's ok for him to torture you and abuse you at will. Only to swoop down feom the heavens and save you. All the while, your god is preparing to strike you again. We don't need saving by a god. We need saving from a god.
God is the problem.
You gunna be okay, Drama Queen?
He just did.
Well, don't look to MSLSD to help you.
You all ran on abortion and feminism. Bad politics
They didn’t even ran on feminism because they can’t define a woman and support men in women’s sports. They ran on abortion and far left ideologies.
Intellectual arrogance also plays a role in warped perceptions about the rest of society. References to "uneducated" people reflect on an elitist flavor in the speaker's mentality.
Is this Mike Johnson's "Little Secret"? rigged
Maybe, it will come out soon once the dems investigate it
You won’t do anything. You’ll sit down and take it.
Whaaaa
Right? I want to see what the camera's have to show us, when the "russians called" in with 💥
threats? And remember trumpet said we got people in place???
There is no secred. From January you will be living in Gilead.
The popular vote says BSDNC has been humiliated and repudiated.
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Brand problem. Look at the type of people they have championing them
My question is: how did the media miss this?
the media thinks Americans are mostly good honest ppl when actually, 60% of white Americans are hard core racist.....Dmocrats like Biden & Merrick Garland refuse to prosecute trump....Garland went after all the "little" fish, wouldn't prosecute trump....Biden refused to fire Garland....Another Democrat that REFEUSES to do anything against trump....Democrats are TOO nice, soft....weak....
Establishment media main job is to push narrative policy down from above not ascertain accrue data and report analysis from below.. Group think 101. They are string from the masters hand to influence and shape your thoughts thus actions. Tell you what to think and direct you to a beneficial outcome for the top of the pyramid from whence the string emanates. Psychological conditioning social control. The monkey doesnt need to understand nor be told truth he just needs to be trained to pull the lever.
The Media is an extension of the Democratic party campaign.
See the "danger hair" on that one woman? That's part of your problem too.
It's not the party, the lowest common denominator is the problem.
Maybe portraying Christian, hard working, law abiding families as the great enemy was a bad strategy.
@@xandror I'm not religious. She didn't do that. He doesn't;t care about working people.
Well ... we had a good run. Managed to do some interesting things before the SHTF. But now it may be time to get down into the weeds. Remember, you can go weeks and weeks without food, but you need about 3.7-liters of water every day to preserve renal function. At the very least, learn how to produce potable water in the wild. Not kidding about this. Grand Convergence coming. Trump and co. are a big part of that.
@@provocateur45She did. Keep crying liberal.
@@TheTha411 I don't live in th US so I won't be the one crying. Oh, she didn't , stop falling for propaghanda fool. You won't be able to afford to eat soon. Just blame it on Obama.
You guys are reading this all wrong...what is happening here. We're blaming the sane people for being sane instead of addressing the elephant in the room.😔
I’m just here for the funeral of legacy media
People in pickup trucks listen to talk radio and do not read the New York Times, etc.
Yea bc the New York Times is soooo good lol 🤡🤡🤡🤡stop clowning
Are you still looking for Russian collusion under your bed? Is there ‘nothing wrong’ with Joe Biden? Did you enjoy Obama’s banker bailout? You keep reading your Democrat propaganda while it’s still being printed… I’m headed out to do a victory lap in my pickup.
99% of people do neither and watch or listen to online interactive media on Twitter, RUclips, and Rumble.. Corporate MSM is dying and so is their audience... Literally.
The New York Times ran 196 negative articles on Biden's mental decline vs 6-10 negative articles on Trump's mental decline during the same time period. It is biased for Trump.
So, people in pickup trucks have a clue? Unlike you and all MSNBC viewers.
I guess these were the people that I was listening to on the radio, this sounds very familiar. At some point one of the guys says something like "we have to start being truthful" and the rest of the panel erupted in incomprehensible babbling for about 20 seconds. Cover blown.
There was nothing Kamala could have done.
😂😂 She could’ve endorsed the stay-in-Mexico policy. She could’ve explained inflation is worldwide and that we have record oil/gas production. Kamala is so awful at this.
You are right. Kamala the Dumb is...dumb. She was born that way. And you were stupid and immoral enough to vote for her. Shame.
Having an actual solid policy on anything would've been a good start. Her admin was spamming pro-palestine adverts to arab hotspots and pro-israel adverts to jewish hotspots, and that's just one.
GOP now run US CONGRESS, SENATE, PRESIDENT AND SUPREME COURT
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Best news ever
I'm educated, but I didn't support Kamala. Apparently I'm racist
About a third of Americans embrace authoritarianism. About a third oppose authoritarianism. About a third don't care, and thus don't vote.
This isn't about a party. This is about freedom vs authoritarianism. Authoritarianism has, unfortunately, won.
@lon You got that right.
Stop insulting women (and men) who are not college educated. Anyone can get a degree today.
Blah blah blah .
There is no brand problem. The American people think like customers, not like citizens.
@Sophie That is very interesting, thanks for the insight.
@ The citizen has always rights, whereas the customer is always right. The citizen is responsible for his/ her choices, and is expected to live with the consequences, whereas the customer can always return the object of his/her choices, and expect a full refund every time.
Capitalism has shaped American culture far more profoundly over the past three decades, than democracy has.
It is therefore hardly surprising that the American people chose a leader with a purely transactional mind. The brands they are used to buyingall of their stuff from, and have shaped their identities from birth, have always been led by purely transactional minds. It is ( dare I say it) the most natural choice for them to make.
@@Sophiedorian0535 Yes, apparently the ladies saying they think the US should be run like a business were on to something. They're wrong, but they got it right.
@@Sophiedorian0535 Yes, and the people who think the US should be run as a business are on to something. They're incorrect, but they got it right.
There yaaaaa go lol white educated woman voted for harris ,so your just calling the other ones stupid and dumb then ask why you lost! You guys are just soooooo out of touch
The irony of these people talking ab “disinformation” is crazyyyyy
Right. They are the mother board of it (I'm a life long Dem and I see it. I voted DT.)
"do a comprehensive study and write a report" thats why you just dont get it
It's not a brand problem. It's partially a communication problem. It is 'bigly' a product problem.
Possibly... and that is itself a problem.
They lie leading up then pretend to be surprised.
Get your news from somewhere else. Independent podcasters have to tell the truth or they will lose their audience. Main stream corporate media is dying and that's a great thing.
Hey Genius, it’s not your messaging. It’s your results. Clearly, Democrat results are horrible and that is why they are out.
You don't have to be college educated to have common sense and know right from wrong!!!
The media needs to submit to the will of the American people
Has MSNBC called the election yet!?
MAGA ! Make America Great Again !!!!
Yea Baby!!!!
No it’s not a brand problem it’s an amerikkka problem
When you think everyone is garbage nobody will respect you.
The lack of ownership of miscommunication is astonishing
No. The other guys just lied constantly. Until the lies are believed. For almost 10 years now.
Exactly!
Where's Lawrence? Already fleeing the country? Hope he's safe!
That lady with glasses looks weird.
Maybe the media treating Trump as a legitimate candidate and a normal person, is part of the problem. JFC!
😂or... actually taking Kamala Harris seriously when everyone knows she's NOT a good candidate
The MSM never treated Trump as a human being or a legit candidate
God forbid they treat him like a human being.🙄
CAN THE PARTY ALL SAY PROGRESSIVE. Stop this middle-of-the-road crap already.
"we don't know where these people get their news." hahahahahaha - glorious
"we thought people were stupid" guess not..