Is Coby White the Real Deal? | The Mismatch | The Ringer
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- The Ringer’s Kevin O’Connor and Chris Vernon discuss the development of Coby White and what the Bulls should do with Demar DeRozan, Zach LaVine, and Nikola Vucevic.
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Finally some Coby White talk! About time, give him his flowers
Coby is a beast. He’s been a great scorer since UNC
The one thing that you guys have forgotten to include in your video is that the bulls historically have not developed talent because of the lack of development staff they have not have a shooting coach and head of player development for 30 years since 2023 shout out Peter patton
jimmy butler developed pretty well
@@TheCoz27I think it was more of his work ethic vs the bulls development staff
@@marcos81898 well nobody develops without work ethic that’s a fundamental part of it lol
@@TheCoz27Jimmy Butler is one of the hardest workers in the league.
@@TheCoz27 IMO he's an exception. Besides his work ethic bringing him to a top 10 player at one point, who else have the Bulls helped develop in the last decade? Since the GarPax and current Art/Eversly regime, its been less about building from the ground up and retooling with the help of vets/traded guys for better or worse.
Coby needs serious consideration for MIP this year
He’s only 23. The NBA is an interesting league because a lot of players don’t get the chance to grow if they don’t show success year 1 or 2. I’m happy to see him figure it out. He was so fun to watch in college and he can have a solid long career
Its not like he's a bust either. Especially in the 2019 top heavy draft where other guys in the top 10 outside of Zion, Ja and Garland haven't showed much outside of being role players. Colby's scoring was probably to keep him in the league but how it improves will add value to his overall game.
The Bulls have lowkey drafted well. White, Dosunmu, Williams, Markkanen & Carter Jr. could have been a solid young core.. Even guys like Portis, Daniel Gafford and Doug McDermott have had success in the league
Iuiu
Exactly, if they developed their players , team could’ve been. Coby, Zach, PWill, Markannen, Wendell Carter… Orlando Picks, Franz Wagner, Jalen Sluggs. Team wouldve have crazy talent if they focused on development instead of retooling around players like Derozan & Vooch.
@@WarOfWords810 Wendell Carter has developed well but he certainly fits a team equipped with spacing and two very good shot creators. The problem with gathering all those young prospects is that out of those young guys, someone has to step up to help make the game easier for the other guys who are limited in their roles. Which is why for the Magic it has worked out focusing their offense on Paolo and Franz. With the length on the front court they also tried to make their back court not be tiny. So while Suggs learns the nuance of being a playmaker, he can focus his energy being a 3&D type guy.
Great back and forth between KOC and Chris. Coby White needs to do it for a full year to convince me. I am not sold yet.
Only 23 and already looks like he can replace lavines production
As a Bulls fan, I wouldn't mind at all if we trade LaVine, DeRozen and Vooch for youngins and picks.
Don't forget lonzo and carruso
@@razkable No way Lonzo is getting traded. Chicago would have to attach a couple of very valuable picks with it to get another team to even think about trading for him.
I didn't know Verno had a Gruden imitation. "He's a real player man!"
He's gotten so much better on both ends of the floor so can't wait to see how he much better he gets next season! He def puts in the work!
Warriors fans would guys be open to trade, you get Vucevic, Caruso and Craig I don't know who for but you chose who you guys want out of GSW.
Curry, Klay, Craig, Green and Vucevic would be a decent starting 5.
loi craig wouldnt start
Imo Coby whites better than lavine he can score off the ball way better can defend way better and looks like he has the potential to be a better facilitator as well
“Wow that’s love”
Hell yes. Homie is like that
Did Verno do absolutely any research prior to hitting record, or does he just talk?
“I was watching when they came back, I think he had 30. Did he have 30?”
“What is this year 5?”
“What did they sign him to?”
Dudes love to act like they watch the Bulls for the occasional clicks.
this is entertainment not a dissertation
I mean Bulls fans seem to appreciate that their team/talents get talked about. But here you are wanting to gate keep like a fuckboi.
As a perennial Coby White drafter on my fantasy teams, he's got stretches of literally feeling like he's a fkn god. But then he'll let you down when you need him, so I really gotta see consistency around him tbh. Maybe having him be a focal point is going to accelerate this development and show that consistency with more touches, and man, I am praying for him...both for the sakes of my bags, and the sake of seeing super high level basketball from this awesome young dude.
Yeah I'm not seeing anything totally different from his game other than doing more with volume and in a great hot streak. Verno is right to point out improvement isn't linear and Colby may be the case. But I'm all for letting the talent show how they can continue to grow than just crowning the guy building a great statistical scoring run in 2 months.
He’s a little worse than Simons on the Blazers
Warriors and bulls trade for kuminga and moody and maybe a few seconds with cap filler for vuc?
Giving Chauncey vibes late bloomer vibes
36 million dollars is peanuts? 😃
36m/3 yrs. Which is peanuts in comparison to combo guards in recent years who got paid out for their scoring ability alone. Hell Colin Sexton got a 72m/4 yr deal and got sign&traded to the Jazz and all that midget does is try be fast and score.
Coby the goat
Do your research before the ‘podcast. What is he averagin? Around 30? Is this year 5?
Turned it off!
No one wants DeMar, LaVine, or Vuc. The only valuable trade asset the Bulls have is Caruso.
DeMar is a really good veteran for the young guys though. He's been really important to all of their development.
A competitive team wouldn't want DeRozan? He's on an expiring too. Lakers, Warriors, Suns, Mavericks desperate. Heat, Cavs, Pacers, Kings are close and could certainly use him.
Lauri Markkanen going back would be poetic and the right age for Chicago, but going to take more picks and players to get him out of Utah. Too bad he didn't blossom in Chicago.
@@whitshane3511 I really like DeMar, he's a bucket-getter, but I'm not convinced that any of those teams would give up anything of value for him. It might happen though! And yeah, Lauri rules. I blame GarPax, and also Jim Boylen, literally the worst coach of the 21st century. Lauri should have been awesome on the Bulls but this team just sucked ass while he was in Chicago.
@@whitshane3511 The Bulls gave up beans to pry DeMar from the Spurs but off a S&T. I don't think those teams have contracts/players the Bulls want to match the money. Lakers, Suns, Mavs and Warriors can't afford a non-shooting slow footed wing. Neither can the Heat, Cavs, Pacers and the Kings already have their big wings. Ainge is def not giving up Lauri whom he's boosted his value for an expiring contract.
Cobi white basically lou Williams without the knack for getting to the line at will. He’s too much of a liability on defense and doesn’t do enough to make his teammates better to be the lead guard on a serious team
Lmfaoo CASUAL AT ITS FINEST. Sir that was the narrative 3 years ago. Catch up. Watch some film before talkin out yo ass bud. Coby is #2 in offensevie fouls drawn. His range alone helping his teammates. One of the best handles in the league and great decisions in pick n roll. Try again
He’s more Jason Terry
Coby White could beat up three Lou Wills and his defense is not that bad way different players and his passing is showing a ton of promise
Liability on defense? When was last time you watched Coby?
You LITERALLY just described Zach Lavine, word-for-word.
Wish he would have stayed at UNC for another year. Definitely crazy talent
I think Simmons mentioned something like this but what if the bulls offer the center and derozen for Kuminga wiggins and other contracts to make it work
Trade at least 2 of the core 3. Zach and Demar or Zach and Nikola. Your choice AKME. Just do not do nothing.
I think they might only move DeRozan before the deadline since he's on an expiring. They have the luxury to move LaVine and Vooch in the off-season because of their long-term deals. I don't think they'll get great returns on any of those players though.
As a NBA fantasy manager owner of White the most amazing advance he's had this season is the Assist/TO ratio since the start of the season . He is a good finisher, ok 3pt shooter ( can improve) but he is becoming quite good managing the game.