also when you compare boats. don't assume that boat model is the lenght. like BL 285 is 28.5ft. sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. like with american brands it's always tricky. take BL, Searay. SeaRay 280 in US, but same boat in Europe is 315. or like 340 in Europe is 375.. normally manufactures manage the boat lineup as a whole. and when they introduce a new size, they might change the branding of the other boats, to show a nice and logical incremental numbering of the lineup. so a boat could debute as 37 and then next year become 38, then one year manufacturer decides to use LOA as the driver intead of hull lenght, then it becomes 40. same boat. also the way they are measured also has lot of room for interpretation. some include swim patform in hull lenght, some don't. some include gunnels, some don't. so really not easy to compare on paper. now at least all follow the ISO standard ISO-8666 (Small craft principal data). but that's for the techspecs. however boat model are just names. like BMW 530i does not have a 3.0l engine - it's 2.0l, and the model designation does not mean same as it used in the past.
Regarding boat size, we are "fortunately" limited by the slip, our old sailboat of 3.30 meters could just fit there and it is not possible to get a bigger one in our port, so we have to limit ourselves 😅
Puha, vi var også ved at se ind i en periode uden båd, men så var vi så heldig at arrangere en byttehandel med en Bayliner 3587 mod vores tidligere 2855’er. Dér er virkelig god skabsplads skulle jeg hilse at sige. God bådjagt😊
I think you are trying to do 4 things at same time, which all individually have a significant price step increase: 1. bigger boat. comes without saying. 2. move to another brand from Bayliner. BL boats are cheap, so for another brand you pay more. BL are made like campers, so they focus on space vs. seaworthy/elegnace that consume space. so you need to go bigger to compensate. BL are excelent to get people into boating, but then also make false expectation that upgrading is cheap.. Bavaria of course is not a premium brand either, but still more expensive than BL. 3. from single to twin. obviuos an extra motor costs. and more maintenance. good for redundancy, good for manuvouring, but more things can break and more pumps and belts to maintain. 4. from gasoline to diesel. with diesel you pay upfront the price for running cheaper later. so if you do all 4 at same time - there will be a significant step in price.
To motorer genererer dobbelt serviceomkostning og brændseløkonomi. Sådan er det bare. Og i mange både runt 30 -35 fod er der så lidt plads mellem motorerne at du får svært ved at servicerer hvis du gør det selv. Jeg havde en Nimbus 350C med enkel motor (D6 350) og at ligge og rode med den på begge sider var intet problem...masser af plads. Nu har jeg en Jeanneau 895 med dobbelt montage påhængsmotor (Yamaha 150). Kan godt følge dig i at det kræver planering mht at tanke benzin. En båd med fast aksel bør have både bog og akterpropeller for at blive letmanøvreret i havn. Mht fartresurser findes der en del halvplanende modeller som har rigtigt gode fartegenskaber. God jagt👍
Mjah. Kan godt være jeg bare har været heldig men vores har fast aksel og ingen bov propel. Har dog kun været ude 5 gange men synes at hvis man tager det stille og roligt er det intet problem at bakke ind på vores pæleplads. Hvis man lige bruger lidt tid på at finde ud af hvordan båden reagerer går det nok. Jeg er helt nybegynder og tog speedbåds kortet for 11 år siden så der er nok ikke meget øvelse fra dengang der hænger ved stadig :P
Almost, but not quite, correct. There is only a very small correlation between 1 and 2 engines as far as fuel consumption goes, depending on the boat. It certainly isnt double or anywhere close to it for 2 engines versus 1 on any boat. On some boats 2 engines can, depending on speed, even be more frugal with fuel than a 1 engine alternative. In the end, fuel consumption is very strongly dependent on boat weight (for equal hull types), and a lot less on the number of engines.
Dejligt at høre fra jer! Jeg glæder mig virkelig til at se hvad i finder frem til - Og hellere vente lidt, end bare at købe det første og det bedste og så blive ked af købet 🙂
kan godt høre at det ikke umiddelbart er det i leder efter, men jeg synes 100% i skal give en cranchi 41 endurance et kig. den lækreste kvalitetsbåd med oceaner af skabsplads / opbevaringsplads
@@villadsr.b8378 den ser også ret lækker ud, men det er måske lidt over vores budget og så er den for bred til vores bådplads, der er ikke mange store pladser i den bette havn😪 men tak for tip👍
Hi. Longtime watcher here. You may, or may not, remember me commenting before. In any case, since I am based in Sweden, if you decide you want to import a boat from here (prices are certainly tempting because of the exchange rate as you said), I will gladly provide assistance in any way I can. There are some very good deals to be had for sure... There is also the possiblity of getting a purely freshwater used boat (in our 2 large lakes), something that has to be reasonbly uncommon for larger boats in Denmark, I should think?
Yes of course I remember you😊 we are seriously looking into boats from sweden, so if you will help us we will definitely reach out to you if we find the right one. Thank you 🙏
@@kaptajnenoglonnipigen Dont mention it, I am glad to help if I can, I have enjoyed your videos for a long time by now! :) I am actually currently looking for a larger boat myself, and have been doing so for a while. Funnily enough I have more or less exactly the same concerns as you do, with twin engines meaning twice the maintenence etc. I however, am looking for a small flybridge boat, and I have been "wooed" a bit by the mid-1990s bayliner 3258 and 3488, which both have an excellent interior layout for my needs.... Better than almost any other boat in that size, even newer ones. One actualy also happen to be for sale just a few kilometers and a couple of minutes drive from me.,.. But after some thinking about it, I do believe I will keep my current boat a while longer after all... I really like it to start with, and the space isnt that bad for what I do. The costs vs usage really is something to think of, just as you say.
Hej.. Det kan nemt ende i "religion" når man spørger til båd/biler. Man skal kun se det ud fra ens behov og IKKE hvad andre vælger, og man vil helst ikke vælge forkert ved så stor en ting.. Jeg har sejlet en del bådtyper (også fast skrueaksel med 52 Knob ;-) ) og er kommet lidt op i alderen. I dit sted ville jeg overveje at gå ned i fart-potentiale og vælge en bådtype der egner sig til dansk gennemsnits-vejr og derved ikke være afhængig af "stuegulvs-sejlads" for derved at udvide sejladsdagene og dermed sæsonen. En båd med mere husrum og rigtigt styrehus, som kan være rigtig hyggelig selv når det bider lidt derude. Fast skrueaksel og diesel er fornuftigt. Men igen det er jeres behov er bestemmer, og nu 2024 sæsonen er slut kan i jo "nyde" processen med at finde ny båd gennem hele vinteren. Spændende at følge jer -held og lykke!
Takk for fin video! Vi er i gang med å kjøpe en 27 fots Rinker som vi ska ha på henger. Motoren er en 350 magnum med bravo 3. Skulle jeg ha valgt en større båt, ville jeg ha gått for Bavaria! Uansett, lykke til med valg av ny båt!
@@Bjortomt-Haug Tak for at i kigger med. Det kommer til at kræve sin mand at få overtalt fruen til en Bavaria, men dejligt at i har fundet en båd. Lykke til😁
also when you compare boats. don't assume that boat model is the lenght. like BL 285 is 28.5ft. sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. like with american brands it's always tricky. take BL, Searay. SeaRay 280 in US, but same boat in Europe is 315. or like 340 in Europe is 375.. normally manufactures manage the boat lineup as a whole. and when they introduce a new size, they might change the branding of the other boats, to show a nice and logical incremental numbering of the lineup.
so a boat could debute as 37 and then next year become 38, then one year manufacturer decides to use LOA as the driver intead of hull lenght, then it becomes 40. same boat.
also the way they are measured also has lot of room for interpretation. some include swim patform in hull lenght, some don't. some include gunnels, some don't. so really not easy to compare on paper. now at least all follow the ISO standard ISO-8666 (Small craft principal data). but that's for the techspecs. however boat model are just names. like BMW 530i does not have a 3.0l engine - it's 2.0l, and the model designation does not mean same as it used in the past.
Regarding boat size, we are "fortunately" limited by the slip, our old sailboat of 3.30 meters could just fit there and it is not possible to get a bigger one in our port, so we have to limit ourselves 😅
Puha, vi var også ved at se ind i en periode uden båd, men så var vi så heldig at arrangere en byttehandel med en Bayliner 3587 mod vores tidligere 2855’er. Dér er virkelig god skabsplads skulle jeg hilse at sige. God bådjagt😊
@@larss3958 Tillykke, ja så er der vist plads til det hele😊
I think you are trying to do 4 things at same time, which all individually have a significant price step increase:
1. bigger boat. comes without saying.
2. move to another brand from Bayliner. BL boats are cheap, so for another brand you pay more. BL are made like campers, so they focus on space vs. seaworthy/elegnace that consume space. so you need to go bigger to compensate. BL are excelent to get people into boating, but then also make false expectation that upgrading is cheap.. Bavaria of course is not a premium brand either, but still more expensive than BL.
3. from single to twin. obviuos an extra motor costs. and more maintenance. good for redundancy, good for manuvouring, but more things can break and more pumps and belts to maintain.
4. from gasoline to diesel. with diesel you pay upfront the price for running cheaper later.
so if you do all 4 at same time - there will be a significant step in price.
You are absolutely right. These are also the thoughts we are trying to get around. In the end, we have to find a compromise.
To motorer genererer dobbelt serviceomkostning og brændseløkonomi. Sådan er det bare. Og i mange både runt 30 -35 fod er der så lidt plads mellem motorerne at du får svært ved at servicerer hvis du gør det selv. Jeg havde en Nimbus 350C med enkel motor (D6 350) og at ligge og rode med den på begge sider var intet problem...masser af plads.
Nu har jeg en Jeanneau 895 med dobbelt montage påhængsmotor (Yamaha 150). Kan godt følge dig i at det kræver planering mht at tanke benzin.
En båd med fast aksel bør have både bog og akterpropeller for at blive letmanøvreret i havn. Mht fartresurser findes der en del halvplanende modeller som har rigtigt gode fartegenskaber.
God jagt👍
Mjah. Kan godt være jeg bare har været heldig men vores har fast aksel og ingen bov propel. Har dog kun været ude 5 gange men synes at hvis man tager det stille og roligt er det intet problem at bakke ind på vores pæleplads. Hvis man lige bruger lidt tid på at finde ud af hvordan båden reagerer går det nok. Jeg er helt nybegynder og tog speedbåds kortet for 11 år siden så der er nok ikke meget øvelse fra dengang der hænger ved stadig :P
Tak, for inputs, det er lidt spændende hvilken vej vi ender med.
Så er det da godt klaret, hvis det er 11 år siden du sidst havde sejlet👍
Almost, but not quite, correct. There is only a very small correlation between 1 and 2 engines as far as fuel consumption goes, depending on the boat. It certainly isnt double or anywhere close to it for 2 engines versus 1 on any boat.
On some boats 2 engines can, depending on speed, even be more frugal with fuel than a 1 engine alternative.
In the end, fuel consumption is very strongly dependent on boat weight (for equal hull types), and a lot less on the number of engines.
@@GoldenCroc Thank you for your input on the matter👍
Fedt at høre fra jer igen, glæder mig til i har taget et valg. Så vi forhåbentlig får nye videor fra jeres ture :-)
@@HDR72 tak for de fine ord😊
Dejligt at høre fra jer!
Jeg glæder mig virkelig til at se hvad i finder frem til - Og hellere vente lidt, end bare at købe det første og det bedste og så blive ked af købet 🙂
Ja nemlig😊 og tak for at følge med❤️
kan godt høre at det ikke umiddelbart er det i leder efter, men jeg synes 100% i skal give en cranchi 41 endurance et kig. den lækreste kvalitetsbåd med oceaner af skabsplads / opbevaringsplads
@@villadsr.b8378 den ser også ret lækker ud, men det er måske lidt over vores budget og så er den for bred til vores bådplads, der er ikke mange store pladser i den bette havn😪 men tak for tip👍
vi er gået fra 42 fod sejlbåd til en Saga 315, en motor og fast skrueaksel det spiller også i dårlig vejer.
Det var da også et ordentligt spring, men dejligt at i er glade for den, tak for input.
Hi. Longtime watcher here. You may, or may not, remember me commenting before. In any case, since I am based in Sweden, if you decide you want to import a boat from here (prices are certainly tempting because of the exchange rate as you said), I will gladly provide assistance in any way I can. There are some very good deals to be had for sure... There is also the possiblity of getting a purely freshwater used boat (in our 2 large lakes), something that has to be reasonbly uncommon for larger boats in Denmark, I should think?
Yes of course I remember you😊 we are seriously looking into boats from sweden, so if you will help us we will definitely reach out to you if we find the right one. Thank you 🙏
@@kaptajnenoglonnipigen Dont mention it, I am glad to help if I can, I have enjoyed your videos for a long time by now! :)
I am actually currently looking for a larger boat myself, and have been doing so for a while. Funnily enough I have more or less exactly the same concerns as you do, with twin engines meaning twice the maintenence etc.
I however, am looking for a small flybridge boat, and I have been "wooed" a bit by the mid-1990s bayliner 3258 and 3488, which both have an excellent interior layout for my needs.... Better than almost any other boat in that size, even newer ones. One actualy also happen to be for sale just a few kilometers and a couple of minutes drive from me.,..
But after some thinking about it, I do believe I will keep my current boat a while longer after all... I really like it to start with, and the space isnt that bad for what I do. The costs vs usage really is something to think of, just as you say.
@@GoldenCroc we have some thinking to do😂
Hej.. Det kan nemt ende i "religion" når man spørger til båd/biler. Man skal kun se det ud fra ens behov og IKKE hvad andre vælger, og man vil helst ikke vælge forkert ved så stor en ting.. Jeg har sejlet en del bådtyper (også fast skrueaksel med 52 Knob ;-) ) og er kommet lidt op i alderen.
I dit sted ville jeg overveje at gå ned i fart-potentiale og vælge en bådtype der egner sig til dansk gennemsnits-vejr og derved ikke være afhængig af "stuegulvs-sejlads" for derved at udvide sejladsdagene og dermed sæsonen. En båd med mere husrum og rigtigt styrehus, som kan være rigtig hyggelig selv når det bider lidt derude. Fast skrueaksel og diesel er fornuftigt.
Men igen det er jeres behov er bestemmer, og nu 2024 sæsonen er slut kan i jo "nyde" processen med at finde ny båd gennem hele vinteren.
Spændende at følge jer -held og lykke!
Tusind tak for de fine inputs, dem tager vi med os.
Takk for fin video! Vi er i gang med å kjøpe en 27 fots Rinker som vi ska ha på henger. Motoren er en 350 magnum med bravo 3. Skulle jeg ha valgt en større båt, ville jeg ha gått for Bavaria! Uansett, lykke til med valg av ny båt!
@@Bjortomt-Haug Tak for at i kigger med. Det kommer til at kræve sin mand at få overtalt fruen til en Bavaria, men dejligt at i har fundet en båd. Lykke til😁
det er jo ikke en flaske rødvin, så naturligivs skal man være sikker før man køber
Lige præcis😊