As a CF, I use the crow hop if there's a runner to be thrown out at 3rd or home. I also try not to overdo my hop staying low to the ground and my hop is more of a 70-degree hop toward the play (not straight up) just to gain momentum. Find that the hop gives me extra 'umph' on my throws. Whereas for the step behind for me, is more for a routine play or getting the ball out quickly to keep the runner at 1st or 2nd on their toes.
Matt, The traditional crow hop opens your front side early therefore losing some of your torque or hip to shoulder separation, the back step closes the front side longer therefore enabling better hip to shoulder separation or holding the torque longer, which is akin to pitching and hitting of increasing velocity and exit velo. Case in point, we did a long toss, my son used traditional crow hop and was one bouncing the 280ft fence, with the back step he was hitting the fence in the air. Again it's not just step and throw, it's using same momentum as the traditional instead of crowing it you just step back. It's something you need to get used to if you haven't been doing it.
Disagree respectively. I been teaching the game for 40 years. Velocity Does not come from torque. It comes from range of motion and momentum. Which is generated from the legs...Torque equals a visit to an orthopedic doctor. Balance from a power position with a full range of motion accompanied by momentum equals speed and longevity. A properly taught crowhop (it shouldn't be called hop) will give all of these, Covering more ground creating more momentum with a full range of motion with much less snap toque on the elbow and shoulder. As well as other fundamentals in the lesson such as landing on your toes and not the heel of the foot. which is a stopping action and the opposite of gaining momentum. Big shoulder turn and then clear the hips last.... that's power!!
I think the biggest misconception is that one of them is better than the other. As long as you stay low to the ground it doesn't matter if you step in front or behind, it's up to the preference of the player. Personally I have had success with both and I use them interchangeably.
I think you need to listen to what Matt is saying again, he is saying a lot of major leaguers are getting away from the traditional crow hop nowadays. I can understand if there were just handful then it would be a misconception, but most outfielders in MLB when they are going to gun down someone, watch their footwork, and please try it out for yourself as well. I think Matt here is just taking the high road.
I use them interchangeably as well, and I feel comfortable doing a crowhop when there's a tagging player, and I catch it on my throwing arm side, but when there's a ground ball and runner advancing, I always stick with the step-behind
Improper Display of a crowhop. That isn't how it is done properly. If done properly you will gain even more ground and never cross your feet from the outfield.. Crossing the feet can be no no in any sport. For many reasons.
Neither is better than the other. I literally interchange them depending on the position I may be forced to field the ball in. Although the crow hop is not intended to throw faster but farther. A lot of smaller players can’t make those long throws with out the crow hop. But it’s all what works for the individual player.
Depends on angle of throw, but I much prefer step in front over behind. Step behind I find is less powerful. Crow hop I've never liked or taught. What's the point of jumping? But when you step your foot in front you have more power, more flexibility on how far you can step, and it's quicker. But there are exceptions. Replacement or step behind are options depending on the situation. Really, there the problem with the Crow hop? It's got the word "hop" in it and kids think they need to actually hop. You're actually just taking a longer stride into the throw. Catchers=very short, short stop=medium stride, deep outfield=long stride using all of the body. Everything should be moving in the direction of the throw. Hoping isn't in the direction of the throw. Just me two cents.
So many advances in baseball technique over the last twenty years. I like that you show advantages of each. In motocross, riders try to spend the last time possible in the air, so energy isnt wasted going vertical. Crow hop definitely can be over done. Forward movement is what you want.
My 14 year old son does the step behind and his coach is trying to get him to change to the crow hop. He has a really good arm and is fast. His coach says by not doing the crow hop he is hindering his throw... My son is comfortable with the step behind though.
Odds are your son should be able to do both types of footwork. I've always viewed it as the crow hop is for an all out hail mary type throw for when your arm alone isn't enough (depending on how deep in the outfield you're throwing from) and a step behind is for throws that are within your normal arm range.
I think the more athletic guys will use the step behind. I do agree that the guys with a weaker arm will use crow hop to propel themselves forward into barrel role. I prefer step behind, it keeps you connected to the ground and that front side close (which prevents the ball from sailing). If you look at Jose Guillen, Vlad Guerrero, Raul Mondeai, Ichiro, those guys used the step behind more often. Catchers are thought to “drop step” when throwing to third.
I personally find the step behind more natural for me but this video was a great way to see the difference as a first baseman throwing to home the step behind is way easier for me
A big crow hop is used to break momentum (not gain) when your throw needs to be re-directed vs. the line you caught the ball on; if you're moving in-line to your throwing target you have no "up" component to your crow hop.
It’s amazing how many college coaches insist on driving the throwing knee UP instead of more forward. You need to question everything especially if it doesn’t make sense. And it doesn’t make sense to force your body up if the throw is to go forward.
Looks like a crow jump lo!. My son uses crow hop but stays close to the ground. Other kids on his team use the step back. All.are.good players so i think it is just what is comfortable for them
Hey Coach Matt, when you are talking to college coaches as a prospect and they ask you if any other schools have reached out should you tell them the schools?
The crow hop utilized in this video seems to be a little over exaggerated. I wouldn’t think players hop that high in the air while throwing the ball from the OF. However I get your point w the step-behind getting to your target quicker.
Do you think the crow hop is more advantageous for weaker arms? I have seen vids of OF all stars for years. Guys like Bo Jackson, Bautista, and Vlad Guerrero could throw a frozen rope flat heeled on a dime and get runners out or keep them from advancing. The from behind seems to me better for stronger arms. But you are the pro and expert. Great video as usual, Matt.
That is a good question! I'm not sure the crow hop gives you anything more on your throw than a step-behind, but I can't say for certain. Will have to test it out more. Thanks for watching!
Big fan, but honest feedback at the 1:47 mark you would never field a ball glove side with your glove side leg back. The glove side leg would be up so the first move of the crow hop would be the non glove side knee coming up. Here you have to take a false step first which wastes time. Not good
@@AntonelliBaseball so just watched a bunch of videos from Ultimate Baseball, Yougopro baseball, Billy Ripken, Ron Washington and other big leaguers giving instruction. I see the glove side hand and glove side foot aligned. What am I missing? I'll send you video links of their instruction. Maybe were not understanding one another or talking the same language here. ruclips.net/video/F2Noq_3ykb0/видео.html Look at this one example at the 14 second mark.
@@AntonelliBaseball here is another video - ruclips.net/video/cKBtXWebEDU/видео.html Look at the glove work and foot work at the 54 second mark. Big League
Why not field it with your (glove side) Left leg forward , Step behind/Plant then Throw =‘s 2 STEPS Vs RIGHT Leg forward you have to step with your Left forward, then step behind, then plant and throw =‘s 3 STEPS ??
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As a CF, I use the crow hop if there's a runner to be thrown out at 3rd or home. I also try not to overdo my hop staying low to the ground and my hop is more of a 70-degree hop toward the play (not straight up) just to gain momentum. Find that the hop gives me extra 'umph' on my throws.
Whereas for the step behind for me, is more for a routine play or getting the ball out quickly to keep the runner at 1st or 2nd on their toes.
Good point! Thanks for watching!
Yeah If I'm running at speed a back step could put me on my face while a crow hop im going to keep my balance
Matt,
The traditional crow hop opens your front side early therefore losing some of your torque or hip to shoulder separation, the back step closes the front side longer therefore enabling better hip to shoulder separation or holding the torque longer, which is akin to pitching and hitting of increasing velocity and exit velo. Case in point, we did a long toss, my son used traditional crow hop and was one bouncing the 280ft fence, with the back step he was hitting the fence in the air. Again it's not just step and throw, it's using same momentum as the traditional instead of crowing it you just step back. It's something you need to get used to if you haven't been doing it.
Good points!!!
Disagree respectively. I been teaching the game for 40 years. Velocity Does not come from torque. It comes from range of motion and momentum. Which is generated from the legs...Torque equals a visit to an orthopedic doctor. Balance from a power position with a full range of motion accompanied by momentum equals speed and longevity. A properly taught crowhop (it shouldn't be called hop) will give all of these, Covering more ground creating more momentum with a full range of motion with much less snap toque on the elbow and shoulder. As well as other fundamentals in the lesson such as landing on your toes and not the heel of the foot. which is a stopping action and the opposite of gaining momentum. Big shoulder turn and then clear the hips last.... that's power!!
I think the biggest misconception is that one of them is better than the other. As long as you stay low to the ground it doesn't matter if you step in front or behind, it's up to the preference of the player. Personally I have had success with both and I use them interchangeably.
Thanks for sharing!!! Thanks for watching!
I think you need to listen to what Matt is saying again, he is saying a lot of major leaguers are getting away from the traditional crow hop nowadays. I can understand if there were just handful then it would be a misconception, but most outfielders in MLB when they are going to gun down someone, watch their footwork, and please try it out for yourself as well. I think Matt here is just taking the high road.
I use them interchangeably as well, and I feel comfortable doing a crowhop when there's a tagging player, and I catch it on my throwing arm side, but when there's a ground ball and runner advancing, I always stick with the step-behind
Improper Display of a crowhop. That isn't how it is done properly. If done properly you will gain even more ground and never cross your feet from the outfield.. Crossing the feet can be no no in any sport. For many reasons.
In my experience and opinion both have benefits.....The crow hop can generate momentum and the other can be utilized for accuracy.....
Thank you for sharing!! Thanks for watching!
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Neither is better than the other. I literally interchange them depending on the position I may be forced to field the ball in. Although the crow hop is not intended to throw faster but farther. A lot of smaller players can’t make those long throws with out the crow hop. But it’s all what works for the individual player.
Depends on angle of throw, but I much prefer step in front over behind. Step behind I find is less powerful. Crow hop I've never liked or taught. What's the point of jumping? But when you step your foot in front you have more power, more flexibility on how far you can step, and it's quicker. But there are exceptions. Replacement or step behind are options depending on the situation.
Really, there the problem with the Crow hop? It's got the word "hop" in it and kids think they need to actually hop. You're actually just taking a longer stride into the throw. Catchers=very short, short stop=medium stride, deep outfield=long stride using all of the body. Everything should be moving in the direction of the throw. Hoping isn't in the direction of the throw.
Just me two cents.
Nice video!
Do a video about reading groundball hops!
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So many advances in baseball technique over the last twenty years. I like that you show advantages of each. In motocross, riders try to spend the last time possible in the air, so energy isnt wasted going vertical. Crow hop definitely can be over done. Forward movement is what you want.
Cool points!!! Thanks for sharing and watching!
My 14 year old son does the step behind and his coach is trying to get him to change to the crow hop. He has a really good arm and is fast. His coach says by not doing the crow hop he is hindering his throw... My son is comfortable with the step behind though.
Odds are your son should be able to do both types of footwork. I've always viewed it as the crow hop is for an all out hail mary type throw for when your arm alone isn't enough (depending on how deep in the outfield you're throwing from) and a step behind is for throws that are within your normal arm range.
I think the more athletic guys will use the step behind. I do agree that the guys with a weaker arm will use crow hop to propel themselves forward into barrel role. I prefer step behind, it keeps you connected to the ground and that front side close (which prevents the ball from sailing). If you look at Jose Guillen, Vlad Guerrero, Raul Mondeai, Ichiro, those guys used the step behind more often. Catchers are thought to “drop step” when throwing to third.
I personally find the step behind more natural for me but this video was a great way to see the difference as a first baseman throwing to home the step behind is way easier for me
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hi it is brandon again i prefer the step behind. some +s are for me it feels like it gets me there faster to throw.
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A big crow hop is used to break momentum (not gain) when your throw needs to be re-directed vs. the line you caught the ball on; if you're moving in-line to your throwing target you have no "up" component to your crow hop.
Interesting insight! Thanks for watching!
It’s amazing how many college coaches insist on driving the throwing knee UP instead of more forward. You need to question everything especially if it doesn’t make sense. And it doesn’t make sense to force your body up if the throw is to go forward.
i think maybe the scrawny guys with the weak arms might need that big crow hop (into a somersault) to get it in sometimes
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Looks like a crow jump lo!. My son uses crow hop but stays close to the ground. Other kids on his team use the step back. All.are.good players so i think it is just what is comfortable for them
Hey Coach Matt, when you are talking to college coaches as a prospect and they ask you if any other schools have reached out should you tell them the schools?
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The crow hop utilized in this video seems to be a little over exaggerated. I wouldn’t think players hop that high in the air while throwing the ball from the OF. However I get your point w the step-behind getting to your target quicker.
Cool, I need to work on these type of throws myself
Good luck to you!! Thanks for watching!!!
Do you think the crow hop is more advantageous for weaker arms? I have seen vids of OF all stars for years. Guys like Bo Jackson, Bautista, and Vlad Guerrero could throw a frozen rope flat heeled on a dime and get runners out or keep them from advancing. The from behind seems to me better for stronger arms. But you are the pro and expert. Great video as usual, Matt.
That is a good question! I'm not sure the crow hop gives you anything more on your throw than a step-behind, but I can't say for certain. Will have to test it out more. Thanks for watching!
good basic video thanks
This is so cool. Thanks!
Big fan, but honest feedback at the 1:47 mark you would never field a ball glove side with your glove side leg back. The glove side leg would be up so the first move of the crow hop would be the non glove side knee coming up. Here you have to take a false step first which wastes time. Not good
Take a peek at how big leaguers do it. Opposite arm opposite leg. Just like you walk or run.
@@AntonelliBaseball so just watched a bunch of videos from Ultimate Baseball, Yougopro baseball, Billy Ripken, Ron Washington and other big leaguers giving instruction. I see the glove side hand and glove side foot aligned. What am I missing? I'll send you video links of their instruction. Maybe were not understanding one another or talking the same language here. ruclips.net/video/F2Noq_3ykb0/видео.html Look at this one example at the 14 second mark.
@@AntonelliBaseball here is another video - ruclips.net/video/cKBtXWebEDU/видео.html Look at the glove work and foot work at the 54 second mark. Big League
@@AntonelliBaseball The second video from the Braves training camp Brian Jordan explains exactly why you dont want to do this.
@@AntonelliBaseball Last One ruclips.net/video/hU-SGq2U1oQ/видео.html Is Carlos Lee Big League enough :-) 45 second mark.
For fly balls, they usually can start their crow hop before the catch the ball.
Nope just the momentum
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i prefer step behind its more comfortable for me
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Why not field it with your (glove side) Left leg forward , Step behind/Plant then Throw =‘s 2 STEPS
Vs
RIGHT Leg forward you have to step with your Left forward, then step behind, then plant and throw =‘s 3 STEPS
??
Times up with the upper body a bit better I would say. Thanks for watching!!
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I do Step Behind In the Infield And I do Crow Hop outfield so I can throw full force
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Step behind is superior
I think the crow hop is like a pitching wind up. It gives you a fuller coil without traveling very far.
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