Harley-Davidson Milwaukee-Eight Cam Removal | M8 | Fat Head Cycles
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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This video walks you through how to remove a Harley-Davidson Milwaukee 8 (M8) cam.
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Out of all the similar videos on this subject I've watched, yours is still the best. I really like how you drop stuff, just like a real mechanic, lol.
Oily fingers will lose to gravity everytime.
Good video, you're giving me the confidence to tackle this job. I'm going to watch Part 2.
Excited for part 2. I just picked up an ‘18 SG and am absorbing every little bit of info I can find.
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Good vid. Not a lot of M8 cam vids out there yet. Will be watching for part two!
I agree. That is why I was so excited to make these videos. If there is any M8 Stuff that I can do for you please let me know and I will see what I can do. Thanks for the view
Nice video and I like how you didn't cut out any parts of the video. Makes it more realistic.
I think I found a winter project bud much appreciated
Hoping to see more of your M8 videos. Thanks.
THIS IS A GREAT VIDEO IT SHURE IS NICE TO HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS ETC IT LOOKS PRETTY EASY WHEN YOUR DOING IT LOL
Great video, really helps the home shop guys. Not much I cant do but I always look here first.
That was my whole reason for starting the channel. Thank you for your support. Means a lot.
Another awesome job,great video appreciate step by step 👍
Now the owner knows how his Screaming Eagle air cleaner badge got scratched.
Whole list of what not to do.
U make it look easy, I would nvr dare to even attempt this!
Very nice thorough job! Tks. Informative and well done.
Thank you sir!
I always cringe when they cut the pushrods. But they say that's the best way...
Luv the videos bro! I'll be replacing my cam in a few weeks and this is a great resource.
bloody hell, rough as...won't be taking my bike there for work
Edmund Wasilewski if he’s not reusing parts like lifter tubes which are included in the S&S pushrod Kit, who cares if he’s a little rough with what he’s not reusing...
Great video! Question for you - just to save time and some work couldn't you just remove one spark plug from each cylinder to get the engine to turn by hand? That way you don't have to remove the fuel tank.
That is a great idea. I am sure that it would work but would just make turning it over a little more difficult. Maybe I should quit being a whimp and get in the gym. Thanks for the comment and the view!!!
@@FatHeadCycles I didn't see how you turned the motor by hand.
Good video, a little heavy handed there, lol
LOL. Thanks for the view!
S Meek no shit. Parts flying everywhere.
Richard Edwin not that it makes it any better but thankfully all the motor parts except the air cleaner trim got powder coated gloss black. Thankfully the trim piece was not damaged!!!
S Meek - Ya think? Love it when guys have all Snap-on tools and then don't know how to use them.
Looks like this guy works out of his garage, I wouldn't be taking my Harley to him based on his work in this video. I especially liked the part where he F'd up the allen head holding the front tappet block, then hammered in socket into it to remove it.
Also loved when he dropped the trim piece for the air cleaner on the concrete. Bet he is a graduate of MMI school, what hacks the produce.
Excellent! Very clear and well lit. Thank you for taking the time to share!! Nice work you sure know your stuff. You marched confidently right into the belly of the beast!
I liked the video. I learned something. I would not attempt this my self but informative. thanks man.
nice work with the automatic wrench
Thanks! You might want to pause recording while you move the camera around. The noise it makes is pretty intense.
10-4. And I replaced the POS tripod.
Yo!I thought i was being uh little to much if i said something about that noise.That **** was intense in my headset.Whoa!Right on.
Great video, thanks a bunch. look forward to seeing more videos on the M8 stuff. Looking for complete upper end R/R videos also!
Thanks for the M8 content!!
you got it - thanks for watching!
Nice video! I did my Milwaukee 8 a few months back. Installed a Woods 22X with adjustable pushrods, jackpot header, S&S MK45 slip ons with a Power Vision tune. Bike runs awesome and pulls hard from right off Idle. I did not pull my tank, only took out the left side spark plugs. I also left the lifter block's alone and just reused the stock lifters holding them up away from the cam with magnets. I hope I don't have any problems with those plastic retainers! Easy swap using the Jim's cam bearing tool to pull and insert the new cam bearing. Pay special attention to the oil pump and cam plate bolt tightening sequence outlined in the service manual when reinstalling. Also check your cam washer thickness per spec. I was able to reuse the original washer.
Good luck with that Red Shift Cam. I've seen some Good numbers coming from them.
Sounds like you have a strong setup. But I will say that I love the cam. Although I did not get the bike on a dyno before the customer picked it up my smile dyno was happy when the front end tried to come off the ground during a test ride. Stay tuned for part 2!!!
David Brittingham - Good choice using Bob Woods cam, Bob is the master of all things Harley when it comes to cam design and has been for more than a decade.
Are all Milwaukee single cam engines I have an 18 107 Road King
i would never let this guy touch my bike! scratches everything he touches!
Here's a position for nex time. Make a list of tools needed for the job.
Mention that we break the bolts then speed wrench to quench boogering. Have shop rug under work place.
On reassemble note any silicone and/on anti-seize used
Loved the video.. Thanks
Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!
Excellent, thank you!
Why did he spend so much time ratcheting on the lifter cover bolts when he could have used his cordless ratchet???
It's evident you have a lot of years of experience at this.
I have been working on Harley's for about 7 years but this was my first time doing a cam on the M8
At 9:20, that’s why you never use an impact on Allen heads lol
Modern Harley ownership... more dollars spent than miles driven.
I'll keep my evos thank you very much.
There would be no harm in leaving the pump in right? I mean other than needing to change o ring but if low miles and not removing that o ring should be fine right? Amazing video by the way. Doing cam swap this weekend thanks to your video 👌
Great Video, it helps out a lot!... question on adjustable Screaming Eagle push rods ( I know you probably will be talking about it on part2) how many flats should they be adjusted to on the M8?... any info is very much appreciated, thanks.
I hate to give you this wishy washy answer but it all depends on the pushrods that you use. I used the S&S Quickee Pushrods and they get 24 Flats!
Gus P - He said he was using S&S pushrods, not Screaming Eagle.
Kinda letting to much of my shit fall on the floor for my taste. Good video though.
Thanks for the view. I agree with you on the stuff hitting the floor. There was a lot of stuff going on with trying to work, talk, make sure I was in frame and all. But thankfully, as you will see in the install video, most of the stuff got powder coated.
Fat Head Cycles as long as the job gets done that’s all that counts. Great video !
Freedom Rider - So you would be OK if your stuff got F'd during the process? I don't think so...
would have been nice to mark the pushrods with white paint to see them move. Thanks for the video!
That is a great idea for the next video that we do like this. Thanks
Thankyou
Not careful anuff to rench on my bike lots of things more than likely getting sc Scratch 😬
Good work boss !
How often do you have to change the spark plugs that are in the head? And you have to remove the gas tank each time also to access them?
When u said get the engine dead center you ment line up the two dots on the gears?
If the bike had a fresh oil change before doing the cam change, is it necessary to change it again just to remove the assembly lube from the oil after?
You will be good to go!
Bravo thx for sharing
Holy shit....please edit your content! Moving the camera around is a ASMR nightmare!
advice me about the Ultima engine cases for my EVO with crack cases
Πέτρος Διπλός Yeah go buy a set of DELKRON Cases... Ultima is junk
Would I have to remove the pushrods and cam to replace only the oil pump and cam plate?
You can technically remove the oil pump and cam plate with out removing the cam, lifters, and pushrods. I would recommend that you are very careful when you are in there as not to allow the cam to come out.
I already have a SE cam and cam bearing I want to change the cam to a 475 ss can I use the se cam bearing? And just please the ss cam into that bearing?
I just tried out a 2018 107 Low Rider. I realize that it is nit picky, and it DID have a lot of power, but it sounded like a sewing machine.
So when both pushrods are not moving are you at overlap or tdc ????
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I have a a m8 road king luv it
How many hours shop time can one expect? I'm getting a cam job in a few weeks myself. They said about $840 otd...
Would this be the same process for the m8 street bob?
What would you say this set up cost with labor in comparison to having HD install a Stage 2?
What tools were used for removal?
Do I need to take tank off won’t the engine turn over freely by just removing the two accessible plugs??
Yes, you can do the easy side.
You said at time 17:55 in Twin Cams "you want them all facing the same way" What way would that be ?
For better oiling
@@FatHeadCycles ... FACING WHAT WAY !! I KNOW FOR OILING BUT YOU SAID ALL THE SAME WAY SO I ASK WHAT WAY IS THAT ?
Thanks for the vid. About to cut my pushrods.. nice to watch someone else do it first. Do I need to drain the oil before I open the cam chest? figured I would change the oil after putting a few miles on the new parts.
No need to change the oil prior to doing the job but I would change it before riding. Dont want old oil touching your new parts. lol
I was actually wondering if I needed to drain all the oil out first or not. I have since finished the job and learned about the engine a lot, and now I know that you do not need to drain the oil because it is a dry sump engine and very little oil resides in the crankcase or camchest. Thanks again for the video, it made a great reference combined with my service manual.
Lets us know for part 2 Thanks
Are these the flat track engines Harley runs?
Hey did you find anything with the lifter directions?
love the video bro! what's your take on the greg Williams clutch rod stopping dumping on my m8?
Where is part II?
This video is just what I was looking for. Thank you!
I'm having same work performed on my 2017 RGS w/20k miles.
The machanic is swapping lifters and suggested keeping the stock headers. I have RC components slip-ONs.
He explained best to upgrade to heavy duty lifters and stock headers keeps the back pressure for low end torque.
If aftermarket headers doesn't add much performance value keeping stock will save me a few $$$.
I'm no machanic but in theory it makes sense.
What are your thoughts?
Ralph T I love the Vance and Hines Power Duals with those slip ons. Great low end torque without sacrificing top end power. Definitely look at upgrading the lifter cuffs and the cam plate/oil pump as well. Thanks for watching.
@@FatHeadCycles thank you for the reply
Funny you mention V&H because that's what I had in mind to add to add to my upgrade package. The machanic then suggested to save the money. I'm going to rethink this before I have the work done.
I was an early adopter of the M8. I purchased it in the fall of 2016. Within 500 hundred miles it was in for warranty work due to oil pump issues. The oil light kept coming on. Bike ran okay yet machanic discovered mental shavings.
HD replaced oil pump and cam plate etc.
Sat in the shop for two weeks.
Very happy with it now.
Fathead's, would you replace the cam bearing on an M8 with 14 total miles on it? Having a hard time justifying the cost of the tool to only use once...
An doesn't the cam install tool seat the bearing to the correct depth ??????
YES
Dude you’re making me cringe the way you’re handling the tools near the polished materials
Work in your camera skills, editing & put in some time lapses. I love the content, but hate the shaky noisy camera repositioning, 30 seconds of you doing something off camera etc...
Does Harley really need a 4-value per cylinder engine?And liquid cooling,you might as buy a Japanese cruiser.
They are not liquid cooled
Learn how to edit out dead air time!
I'm really struggling to decide between the RS 468 or the Wood 22x for my RGS
I have not used the Woods cam BUT I will say that the RS 468 was super impressive. The throttle response was crazy and the idle sounded like a big block Chevy. The 468 cam will be available on my website, www.fatheadcycles.com , on Monday!
Currently over in Afghanistan, but I might just place an order from ya right before I come home next month. Do you recommend changing out the lifters at the same time since I'll already be in there? I always changed them on twin cams, but they had a lot more miles than my new M8
The Lifters are a must replace in my opinion. They are the same questionable quality as the twin cams and you are right. While you are there eliminate as many problems as possible. The lifters will be up on the site this week. Thank you for your service.
Zippers 468 all the way. I used them on my 2018 Road Glide Special Stage 3 build instead of the SE 498's. Everything except those and headers were HD. I used the FuelMoto 2-1-2 Jackpot Header, SE 4.5" Street Cannon mufflers, SE Ventilator a/c, Power Vision tuner, and everything else was HD. Ended up with 139TQ and 117HP. Runs like a beast!!!!!
Richard Edwin I wish I would have gotten this bike on the dyno
After watching this video I am left wondering why the Harley Davidson dealership charges so much in labor fees. They must be getting $200 an hour.
They have to pay for those big buildings some how. I normally only charge $245 to install a cam.
Fat Head Cycle - So you are charging $100 an hour working out of your garage?
If you owned any high end car the invoice actually explains it all.So you can agree or disagree,but they do tell you why the cost is what it is.So here it goes.Your not only paying for your parts and labor. Your paying for the lightning in the building.The Secretary,the coffee, computers that diagnose your shit.Training to train the tech's to use it.Basically to keep the company afloat.(No Bullshit!I basically seen this at the bottom of my invoice from BMW after getting an M3 serviced.Well not the company afloat thing,but everything else i mentioned)
Great 1950's technology
Yeah cuz EFI and 4-valve per cylinder pushrods were a thing in the 1950s. Way to prove you don't have the first fucking clue what you're talking about.
BULL in a CHINA SHOP!
You seriously need to invest in a pocket magnet
The truth is most Harley owners never have this type of work done. Most just change their oil in all three holes on the regular and that's pretty much all you need to do maintenance wish other than an air cleaner change, fuel filter swap now and then.
You can do all the motor work in the world and your only gonna get so much out of them because of them not performance-based machines like sport bikes.
Good content... but heavy in the camera work brother... had to turn it off for a bit, was getting annoyed.
If you look in the Harley-Davidson product catalog or online, the motor company recommends replacing the stock oil pump cover with the latest version when installing stage 2 and above. The Harley part number is 62400206 and it has a large seal on it that the stock oil pump cover does not have. If you're changing the cam you need to put in this cover, it is only $27. There is also a different torque sequence for the cam plate and oil pump available in a Harley Service Bulletin M1450. Investigate this information before you change the camshaft yourself. www.hdforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=595747&d=1538360776
If going to stage III or stage IV they want the whole pump replaced if built prior to 10/10/2017. I guess that means me. Looks like I budget another 700 bucks.
Mate. There's no way in hell I'd let you work on my 2018 M8 after watching you bash the socket handle all over the tappet cover, before you decided to get an extension. Rough as mate.
He was replacing the covers with black ones, Jackass!
This guy is like a bull in a china shop. A heavy handed caveman.
He goes out of his way to show you in detail "how to" and thats what you have to say?....Douche bag!
Jeremy DuBois - This is what you get when you let a MMI graduate work on your bike.....
putting in a S&S geared Easy Start cam???? :D
...also what happens if you have too much crankshaft round out??? you cant used the geared cams can you? shame HD uses cast cranks now :'(
At this point in the M8's life the crank better not be out of round but I see your point. As of right now S&S does not offer an Easy start cam for the M-8. I installed the Red Shift 468 cam. The video will be up next week.
i have the 2000 dyna forged crank and timken bearings on drive side ,put the s&s gears in runs like a top ,hate the cam chain setup
Jerico - Crankshaft round out? Do you possibly mean "runout"?
dinerman2000 - How does this relate to this video. The 2000 you ride is a totally different engine.
Nice to come across this video , Subscribed! I ride a 2018 Road King Special and am wanting to put in the redshift 468. Ive got the service manual and other than a quality tq wrench id say im ready to to start ordering parts. Cant wait to watch the rest of the video... would you mind putting in the description of the part 2 all the necessary parts needed to complete the job? Also i guess i need to replace the tappets because i'm over the mileage threshold at 7000 miles? What tappet retainers are you going to use , s&s? I'm currently running the Bassani Road Rage 3 , Vo2 intake and an fp3 ( i hope Vance & Hinse can get me a tune to work with. ) Check out my buddies channel that im frequently on @blockheadmoto
Anyways , thanks for posting this video, it gives me and others like us the courage to work on our bikes.
Hey man thanks for the view. I will def add all of the parts that I use in the description of Part 2. Tappets are a must so is replacing the inner cam bearing. I used the aluminum tappet cuffs from S&S. Good luck with the FP3. if it does not work I would go thundermax all the way.
He must not be making the payment on it. Informative video but so careless.
i would hate to see any of these assholes on here commenting, working on their own bikes. leave the poor guy alone. learn how to do it yourself instead then. and btw, cutting pushrod tubes is common practice. at least the guy has made the investment in good tools. how many of you have purchased a 3/16th socket head allen in a universal in a 1/4" drive? if you think this is crude then watch your local dealership handle your bike behind closed doors.
Can’t watch anymore. Camera work is terrible. Got a headache
I love all the comments from the peanut gallery criticizing the man's methods. If I wanted Steven Spielberg production quality, I'd go to a theater. If you haven't produced something better? Shut the hell up and go back to flying your toy airplanes.. some of us are busy wrenching on our bikes..
Thank you for recognizing the difficulties that are faced when trying to work on a bike and shoot a video. BUT the peanut gallery does have a point and has made me strive to produce better content for my viewers!
@@FatHeadCycles you are doing fine. you learn that some don't like the clang of metal lol. good info man. camera movement in setting up id not bother me at all. that is part of doing stuff by yourself.
Jesus....I would not let this dude work on my bike
LAX Rider88 - I totally agree....
What do you expect other shop will do , this guy showing really great job
Wow this guy is a serious pro, ur a wrong on him..
Great information in terrible packaging. Please get a decent camera and learn to edit videos.
Huh
Gas tank off just to get to the spark plugs? And I just thought the newer bikes might be a PITA to work on. No thanks...
Luckily the gas tank comes off fairly quick and easy. I have a video elsewhere on the channel on how to remove the gas tank. Thank you for the view!
I've pulled one off a softail, and it isn't hard at all. Just saying...to have to do that for plugs...man. I like taking a look at mine every so often, and that's just a PITA. And sure thing, thanks for posting.
Why not just pull the plugs from the other side of the bike? Is there an advantage for pulling the plugs underneath the tank opposed to the other side?
Takes less than 5 minutes to remove the tank man.
Yea? Even if it took two, it's BS to just get a glimpse of your plugs when you want too.
bull in a china shop.
With near 50 years twisting wrenches, I'm not one to be negative without suggesting solutions.
1st, please spend more time editing. We dont need to watch every bolt turn out of its hole. Also shaking the camera around to reposition is annoying. Edit out the junk before you publish. Watch John Maxwell videos. You will see a big difference. Looks much more professional.
2nd, as a Harley owner I cringed every time you let parts fall to the floor. Those parts cost the customer money. Have some respect for them. I found masking tape to be a good helping hand. Holds parts in place until you can safely handle them and helps prevent scuffing.
Hang in there. Your info is good, needed and appreciated.
@@genesasser2855 well said. no need to comment now.
If u are talking about him dropping those tubes the SnS comes with new tubes. I watch J.M his videos use to be a lot better than they are now.
Now this man is doing a much better job with his videos. He's showing us how to, I want a long video I want to see it all. Might watch it a few times. Don't care if he moves the camera as long as he shows me the proper way to do it. I think he did that!
Go make your own vid....nobody twisted your arms to watch. Stfu
Doc Holiday well the point was the topic is something interesting to viewers . Without constructive criticism in this world it wouldn’t afford the opportunity to improve. So relax cupcake. There is also a feature to disable comments if you get butt hurt easily . 🙄
I finally figured out Harley owners. I could never figure out why people buy Harley’s other than to make noise, and look cool riding to the bar (which most do). RUclips finally gave me the answer. Harley’s are for shade tree mechanics and tinkerers. People who like to take things apart and try to improve things. Harley’s design is so antiquated it gives the owners plenty to improve, the after market gives them the parts, and now RUclips has given the the mechanically uninclined (such as myself) an idea of how It is done.
Will I buy a Harley? No... I like riding thousands and thousands of miles on a reliable machine. A machine that is easy to maintain. But I do have new found respect for Harley riders. It’s just not for me.