So very good video. I just want to say that I have these tires owned them for almost as long as they've been out. I have the G8 compound and the tires are broken in very well. I have the stock foams in them as well. Ive noticed that when I first had them they weren't to good, but once broken in they hook up like glue on everything. I WAS going to get the proline foams being my jk weighs about 12 to 13 pounds but it's more of a trial truck and doesn't always see big obstacles like you have and I think that's what these tires were more designed for "trailing". I forgot to mention my from beadlocks have weight in them as well so yes I do have tire roll BUT what 1:1 doesn't haha. Great video!
@@ExocagedRC btw! Not now but one day .. if you have too much crawlers and want to sell .. optimus 2. Please sell it to me haha! Have a good one my man.
If foams weren't a chore to change over I would suggest trying the Proline single stage closed cell to get that climb it wouldn't hook on... the blue foam is a little larger than what the dual stage inner is,.but as there is no outer foam it leaves that air, or clearance gap for the tyre tread ripple and conform. I have them in my heavy Trx4 defender with g8 Flat Irons and they work great. I use the Dual stage P/L's in my lighter trucks. It was good to see you the test process once again.. As always thanks for the effort you put in for us Joe.. Cheers mate 👍
I've done what you said before, a bit differently. I had Ottsix KLRs stretched onto 2.2 wheels, the stretch along with just the inner foams of the CI 4.75 foams worked well and had that gap you mentioned. It worked out well.
It all depends on what you are wanting to do.... I built an axial super lite and ran 2 stage CI/ soft outer in the rear and soft single stage in the front. It climbs like a dream. It's all in what your wanting the truck to do...to many variables. Great video joe, you put alot of time into this and its appreciated my friend.
My 10.III is pretty much setup the same as yours with all the Vitavon parts so also a bit heavy. I'm using the proline dualstage with Krawlers and they work great.
@@ExocagedRC not at all, I found it was the only thing that worked on a set of repurposed canyon trails tires. I also had the same problem with Proline foams in on my TRX-4 ended up using crawler innovations foams because the Proline foams are too tall for a lot of 1.9 tires and I just could not climb up obstacles with them..
I have both the pro line and ottsix dual stages... I like the ottsix waterproof dual stages foams. The outter foam actually bolsters the firewall while the pro line leave slack in the sidewall. BTW, threw in the reefs 99micro and its amazing. zero issues getting into fwd, 4wd, or dig regardless of the load or position. beautiful.
My "Killer Wasp TRX4" felt really heavy. I was thinking 12 pounds..I mean...it has everything...remote lights, winch, drop-bed, interior, brass stuff(painted black)with all the D110 option. I weighed it...it was 9 pounds. I was surprised. Anyway...foams...I love Pro-line. Been using their stuff from the beginning. I even have some of their single stage foams. But I'll put most my money in foams to Crawler Innovation. They are the "originals" and everyone else is a "copy" and just trying to take a chunk out of the pie they did not create. I'll always buy body's and tires from Pro-line....I mean...I'm good friends with Paul from Pro-line an have been a "loyal" since 1989 but again.... loyalty has to have its place and the owner of CI put his heart into his single great product.
Do you use 2 stage foams in them? I'm gona be running km3s all winter and need something that will grip in the wet mud but wondering weather I should use 2 stage foams on them or keep them soft
i like to play in water so holes is a no-no. and besides with all the torque going thru them i bet that would be a weak point to start a tear. just another reason ill pass on holes.
He just needs to break-in the foams of the dual stage.. Then he will deform the 1st stage easily to gain traction as the stock ones and get the benefits of the 2nd stage.
I discovered that an old 540 brushed motor can (magnet part, nothing else!), does exceptionally well on 1.9 beadlock inner wheels for assembly. I drilled a hole slightly bigger than the output bushing & it dont move when ur wiggling it or turning the wheel(s). That is IF anyone has a spare, junk green machine or paradox laying around!
I might be mistaken... I think the proline dual stages are designed to fit their "XL" tires and are a bit big for standard 1.9s. I use them in a set of 1.9 flat iron XLs and love them.
yeah they could be. In the past, dealing with the Predator and other super soft compounds I've seen the smaller foams just not perform very well at all, if this were a much lighter truck, these would most likely just be way way too stiff but I have my hopes up
the tire roll was my biggest problem on my trx4 with the DeepWoods/stock foams. my rear tires looked like drag tires under full load at the strip, even caused slight dmg to one of the tires
If these aren't what you're looking for i would suggest Crawler Innovations dual stage. They offer a taller outer open cell and shorter inner closed cell, may allow for just enough tire curl while still keeping the sidewall from rolling too much.
Oh yeah I like the CI foams, I have several sets in different tires and they usually work out great. These will do well too I may have to vent the tires though
I like the PL Dual stage. I have the Boom Racing foams too and bought the hard inner, soft outers. The PL seems to split the difference on the inners between Booms hard and medium inners
I have these in deep woods on my trx4 sport with pretty much ssd portal covers and that's it for weight. Once broken in they work like a dream. Some say they're too stiff, and they are a bit, but I think they're great with enough give for a solid tired footprint.
I have these in my trx6 with deep woods and ottsix dual stage foams in my Capra with duratrax showdown. The ottsix outter foam wraps around the inner which bolsters the sidewall. The Pro-Line doesn’t. The Pro-Line also moves around more on my beadlocks than the ottsix setup. Both work great and I have way more time on the Pro-Line, but I’m going to stick with ottsix going forward. Much better imho.
I have only tried the PL foams and they do need some break in time for sure, then they work great. I would like to try some of the other brands mentioned for sure.
Surely using the Treal wheels it will alter how the foam works as it has pushed the centre ridge up thus changing how it works in the tyre. The only way you will know is to put the foams on a wheel that does not push up the centre of the closed cell foam.
I have the proline two-stage foam Mounted on yeah racing Ali rims with pro line Hyrex I find my tire and insert shifts off sitting the yeah racing rim still trying to stop it
ahh yeah I mentioned that. with wide wheels that can happen, they seem to have designed these for a specific wheel design for proper fitment. you may need narrower wheels to stop the shifting
First give the foams a chance to break in, run the crap outta the 10.3 lol then try removing some wight from the rear or if possible adjusting that "squat" in the rear out. I noticed it when you first showed what the new set up looked like. Squatting like that when angled as you was in the hard climb at 10:45 makes the rear "dig" more...if you know what I mean. I think that's your biggest issue imho. You almost make me wanna try mounting my xspeed wheels agian lol but the only GOOD tires I have are my deepwoods and they are glued on plastic wheels. In theory I know they can be removed but if I screw up one more RC part I fear I may punt my rig into the cow pasture across the street lol
@@ExocagedRC I really think dialing in the suspension geometry now is all you need. With my redcat it used to "go turtle " if it even looked at a side hill 😁 but I stiffened up the back shocks a bit and angled the front at a / witch allowed them to be more nimble and yet the stiffer rear held the ground now instead of the turttle I call her the dirty b....well ya get me lol
I find or think that the 1.9 dual stage foams are to big for 4.75 tires. I think inside the 4.75 tires the outer foam is already slightly compressed only leaving approximately a 1/4" if that to be compressed while driving not allowing the tire to really conform to the terrain. I was about to throw them away but find them to work rather well in my jconcepts 4.92" tires. The slightly larger tires gives the outer foam the capability to full expand inside the tire while allowing the foam to conform enough over obstacles so that the tire can properly grab. Just my two cents would love to see you try that out on the SCX10 3 since it works great on my SCX10 II.
I originally tried them in 1.9 super swampers and was not impressed. Then tried venting the prolines but decided to give up on both the super swampers and the foams. I now have two sets of the ruptures with proline 2stage foams on my scx10ii and spawn. Pretty happy with them. If you make a video using them link me if you remember. I would love to see your findings.
i bought a set of hyrax's mounted from proline. way way too soft - def a mistake. got some trenchers and a set of beadlocks and dual stage foam - much better - TRX4 21 Bronco. Those stock foams are for ultra light vehicles only.
Most of the time I do, with these foams you have to put a hole in the tire because the closed cell inner foam just seals up the hole for normal venting.
@@ExocagedRC Awesome vid bud. Tire roll sure doesnt help the turning radius with lockers! Lol ☻Do these PL foams also have a closed cell outer? 🤔 If I'm not mistaken I think the CI dual stage uses an open cell outer. ? Just curious if these were waterproof as I usually like to run vented wheels and hit water once in a while. Would drilling a small hole thru the inner foam be another option to venting the tires? Keep the greasy side down bro! ✌🙃
Awesome. I watched your anti foam video and then this popped up after. I have same rig and am waiting for my anti foams. They’re back ordered unfortunately.
Proline Dual stage are good. but still not waterproof. www.ottsix.com/halo-webwrap-foam ^these are game changing IMO because they have the benefit of two stage while still being able to run vented tires/wheel and still go creaking. Sadly supply can not meet demand on them.....
So very good video. I just want to say that I have these tires owned them for almost as long as they've been out. I have the G8 compound and the tires are broken in very well. I have the stock foams in them as well. Ive noticed that when I first had them they weren't to good, but once broken in they hook up like glue on everything. I WAS going to get the proline foams being my jk weighs about 12 to 13 pounds but it's more of a trial truck and doesn't always see big obstacles like you have and I think that's what these tires were more designed for "trailing". I forgot to mention my from beadlocks have weight in them as well so yes I do have tire roll BUT what 1:1 doesn't haha.
Great video!
Great videos. Thanks for all your work to make these quality videos.
Glad you like them!
I reall love your crawling videos. Love it my man !
Thank you.
@@ExocagedRC btw! Not now but one day .. if you have too much crawlers and want to sell .. optimus 2. Please sell it to me haha! Have a good one my man.
Nice foams. I run them in my capra, soft in front and firm in the rear. 👍👍
If foams weren't a chore to change over I would suggest trying the Proline single stage closed cell to get that climb it wouldn't hook on... the blue foam is a little larger than what the dual stage inner is,.but as there is no outer foam it leaves that air, or clearance gap for the tyre tread ripple and conform.
I have them in my heavy Trx4 defender with g8 Flat Irons and they work great.
I use the Dual stage P/L's in my lighter trucks.
It was good to see you the test process once again.. As always thanks for the effort you put in for us Joe..
Cheers mate 👍
I've done what you said before, a bit differently. I had Ottsix KLRs stretched onto 2.2 wheels, the stretch along with just the inner foams of the CI 4.75 foams worked well and had that gap you mentioned. It worked out well.
It all depends on what you are wanting to do.... I built an axial super lite and ran 2 stage CI/ soft outer in the rear and soft single stage in the front. It climbs like a dream. It's all in what your wanting the truck to do...to many variables. Great video joe, you put alot of time into this and its appreciated my friend.
thank you man, I appreciate the kind words.
Glad to see you figured the click out.
I use those foams on my Trx4, they work great I also have a lot of brass so they handle the weight
Yessir i love my dual stage proline foams 💯 they only get better as they break in 👍🏻
awesome to hear
My 10.III is pretty much setup the same as yours with all the Vitavon parts so also a bit heavy. I'm using the proline dualstage with Krawlers and they work great.
my dual stage had to break in for quite a bit but now they are great
I really their water proof closed cell foams. They're pretty stiff when new but after a while they soften up a little and work really good.
I had the same issue when I mounted my hyrax tires for my ten 2.took a few to do.
Yup, the freezer is my trick too! works really good on baked off TRX-4 tires that get stretched out during glue removal.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who does that!
@@ExocagedRC not at all, I found it was the only thing that worked on a set of repurposed canyon trails tires. I also had the same problem with Proline foams in on my TRX-4 ended up using crawler innovations foams because the Proline foams are too tall for a lot of 1.9 tires and I just could not climb up obstacles with them..
Yeah that rig is hefty. Definitely needed some two stage foams
I have both the pro line and ottsix dual stages... I like the ottsix waterproof dual stages foams. The outter foam actually bolsters the firewall while the pro line leave slack in the sidewall.
BTW, threw in the reefs 99micro and its amazing. zero issues getting into fwd, 4wd, or dig regardless of the load or position. beautiful.
awesome an yeah man the 99 micro is an awesome little servo!
I have those treals in the gray, I like them a lot.
My lasernut with the 2.2 PL dual stage foams absolutely rips
Give the 2 stage the benefit of the doubt and let em break in a little bit then see how they hook
will do
Did the police foam break in in the end?
My "Killer Wasp TRX4" felt really heavy. I was thinking 12 pounds..I mean...it has everything...remote lights, winch, drop-bed, interior, brass stuff(painted black)with all the D110 option. I weighed it...it was 9 pounds. I was surprised.
Anyway...foams...I love Pro-line. Been using their stuff from the beginning. I even have some of their single stage foams. But I'll put most my money in foams to Crawler Innovation. They are the "originals" and everyone else is a "copy" and just trying to take a chunk out of the pie they did not create.
I'll always buy body's and tires from Pro-line....I mean...I'm good friends with Paul from Pro-line an have been a "loyal" since 1989 but again.... loyalty has to have its place and the owner of CI put his heart into his single great product.
The best tyre RC crawler proline KM3.. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Do you use 2 stage foams in them? I'm gona be running km3s all winter and need something that will grip in the wet mud but wondering weather I should use 2 stage foams on them or keep them soft
Good Video ! Thank You
I had to put a couple holes in my tires with the dual stage foam and that made a HUGE difference.
i like to play in water so holes is a no-no. and besides with all the torque going thru them i bet that would be a weak point to start a tear. just another reason ill pass on holes.
He just needs to break-in the foams of the dual stage.. Then he will deform the 1st stage easily to gain traction as the stock ones and get the benefits of the 2nd stage.
I discovered that an old 540 brushed motor can (magnet part, nothing else!), does exceptionally well on 1.9 beadlock inner wheels for assembly. I drilled a hole slightly bigger than the output bushing & it dont move when ur wiggling it or turning the wheel(s). That is IF anyone has a spare, junk green machine or paradox laying around!
Love my proline 2 stage foams and my rig is nowhere near 9 lbs
I might be mistaken... I think the proline dual stages are designed to fit their "XL" tires and are a bit big for standard 1.9s. I use them in a set of 1.9 flat iron XLs and love them.
yeah they could be. In the past, dealing with the Predator and other super soft compounds I've seen the smaller foams just not perform very well at all, if this were a much lighter truck, these would most likely just be way way too stiff but I have my hopes up
All most all proline tires are XLs including the ones he is using...
Well I'm surprised that the stock foams got you up that steep climb & the proline 2 didnt, but the truck looks much better with the proline 2,😀😀😀
the tire roll was my biggest problem on my trx4 with the DeepWoods/stock foams. my rear tires looked like drag tires under full load at the strip, even caused slight dmg to one of the tires
i need to get these for my trail rig
If these aren't what you're looking for i would suggest Crawler Innovations dual stage. They offer a taller outer open cell and shorter inner closed cell, may allow for just enough tire curl while still keeping the sidewall from rolling too much.
Oh yeah I like the CI foams, I have several sets in different tires and they usually work out great. These will do well too I may have to vent the tires though
Exocaged RC great video, just started watching a few months ago. I like that you breakdown the problems and try different solving methods 👍🏻
Lol he surprised me pulling those foams out from nowhere!
Good info
I like single stage foam unvented
I like the PL Dual stage. I have the Boom Racing foams too and bought the hard inner, soft outers. The PL seems to split the difference on the inners between Booms hard and medium inners
I have these in deep woods on my trx4 sport with pretty much ssd portal covers and that's it for weight. Once broken in they work like a dream. Some say they're too stiff, and they are a bit, but I think they're great with enough give for a solid tired footprint.
I have these in my trx6 with deep woods and ottsix dual stage foams in my Capra with duratrax showdown. The ottsix outter foam wraps around the inner which bolsters the sidewall. The Pro-Line doesn’t. The Pro-Line also moves around more on my beadlocks than the ottsix setup.
Both work great and I have way more time on the Pro-Line, but I’m going to stick with ottsix going forward. Much better imho.
I have only tried the PL foams and they do need some break in time for sure, then they work great. I would like to try some of the other brands mentioned for sure.
right, I usually run the Crawler Innovation foams but I like to try other stuff too.
@@ExocagedRC CI seem really popular and lots of guys use them.
My CI still shuffle on my proline rims idk....
Surely using the Treal wheels it will alter how the foam works as it has pushed the centre ridge up thus changing how it works in the tyre. The only way you will know is to put the foams on a wheel that does not push up the centre of the closed cell foam.
This is true. I thought about running the Ottsix wheels but really like the looks of the Treal wheels on this one.
Look really big!!!!
Please do a reveiw in month of running!!
Good looking tire but never had any luck with them on Kentucky soil and rocks.
My km3 class one when i used the dual stage foams they dont fit in the beadlocks anymore its making the tires so big and wide
IMO, the 2 stage foams are better suited for rock racing like with a bomber rr10
No offense but love my Crawler Innovation dual foams on my heavyweight SCX-10.
9:42 That moment when you wish you could let some air out of the tires.
Future Video Of The Vitavon Rear Link Riser For The 10.3 ?
Do you think it's necessary to use dual stage foams on g8 compound, in general?
What difference this and injora dual stage foam...is it the same function....
I’ve had nothing but problems mounting proline tyres, they only fit on a couple of wheels I’ve got
Was the ottsix’s venting ability affected by sitting flush on the inner foam?
i have dual stage rear, front is normal foam for grip
i love that the softer foams climbed better
After cutting my stock trx4 sport tires I now realize how bad it needs dual stage foams. The tires fold over pretty bad.
What do you think the difference is between the pro line and the crawler innovation foams
How do you fix click???
I have the proline two-stage foam Mounted on yeah racing Ali rims with pro line Hyrex I find my tire and insert shifts off sitting the yeah racing rim still trying to stop it
ahh yeah I mentioned that. with wide wheels that can happen, they seem to have designed these for a specific wheel design for proper fitment. you may need narrower wheels to stop the shifting
Try gluing (shoe glue) the foam to the inner ring. Helps keep the foam from shifting when side hilling
First give the foams a chance to break in, run the crap outta the 10.3 lol then try removing some wight from the rear or if possible adjusting that "squat" in the rear out. I noticed it when you first showed what the new set up looked like.
Squatting like that when angled as you was in the hard climb at 10:45 makes the rear "dig" more...if you know what I mean. I think that's your biggest issue imho.
You almost make me wanna try mounting my xspeed wheels agian lol but the only GOOD tires I have are my deepwoods and they are glued on plastic wheels. In theory I know they can be removed but if I screw up one more RC part I fear I may punt my rig into the cow pasture across the street lol
lol yeah I know the feeling, I noticed the squat in editing, I may see if I can lower the front down to match.
@@ExocagedRC I really think dialing in the suspension geometry now is all you need. With my redcat it used to "go turtle " if it even looked at a side hill 😁 but I stiffened up the back shocks a bit and angled the front at a / witch allowed them to be more nimble and yet the stiffer rear held the ground now instead of the turttle I call her the dirty b....well ya get me lol
I find or think that the 1.9 dual stage foams are to big for 4.75 tires. I think inside the 4.75 tires the outer foam is already slightly compressed only leaving approximately a 1/4" if that to be compressed while driving not allowing the tire to really conform to the terrain. I was about to throw them away but find them to work rather well in my jconcepts 4.92" tires. The slightly larger tires gives the outer foam the capability to full expand inside the tire while allowing the foam to conform enough over obstacles so that the tire can properly grab. Just my two cents would love to see you try that out on the SCX10 3 since it works great on my SCX10 II.
Which Jconcepts are 4.92? I'm legit interested in that.
Im running the jconcepts 1.9 ruptures
I originally tried them in 1.9 super swampers and was not impressed. Then tried venting the prolines but decided to give up on both the super swampers and the foams. I now have two sets of the ruptures with proline 2stage foams on my scx10ii and spawn. Pretty happy with them. If you make a video using them link me if you remember. I would love to see your findings.
i bought a set of hyrax's mounted from proline. way way too soft - def a mistake. got some trenchers and a set of beadlocks and dual stage foam - much better - TRX4 21 Bronco. Those stock foams are for ultra light vehicles only.
Do you vent your tires?
Most of the time I do, with these foams you have to put a hole in the tire because the closed cell inner foam just seals up the hole for normal venting.
@@ExocagedRC Awesome vid bud. Tire roll sure doesnt help the turning radius with lockers! Lol ☻Do these PL foams also have a closed cell outer? 🤔 If I'm not mistaken I think the CI dual stage uses an open cell outer. ? Just curious if these were waterproof as I usually like to run vented wheels and hit water once in a while. Would drilling a small hole thru the inner foam be another option to venting the tires? Keep the greasy side down bro! ✌🙃
What was the clicking verdict?
Transmission Input gears have a bore that is too large for the shaft so the gear rocks under load causing the click
So how do you feel about these compared to your anti foams?
they're ok but I really like the anti foams
Awesome. I watched your anti foam video and then this popped up after. I have same rig and am waiting for my anti foams. They’re back ordered unfortunately.
Please make a shirt that says take a look
I actually did, had them listed on my teespring account but none sold so I took them off.
do you vent tires
Depends on what I'm using them for
Proline Dual stage are good. but still not waterproof.
www.ottsix.com/halo-webwrap-foam
^these are game changing IMO because they have the benefit of two stage while still being able to run vented tires/wheel and still go creaking. Sadly supply can not meet demand on them.....
The stock foams were good enough...The Prolines didn't make the first climb. wtf? The stock foams won.
Need to run a few batteries through em, so the foam breaks in. New tires/foams only get better the more you use them.
@@wrhythm ok thanx for reply
stock better
Way to many adds not cool..