This. Leaks and all the theory crafting that goes on during beta contribute greatly to hype. Also, small correction, people like Jstern aren’t leakers, technically. He discusses leaks and builds upon leaked data. He’s not in betas himself.
....i mean, it could be because attackers are meant to be played different vs anomaly in general. I wouldn't put any attacker against jane doe solo damage, jane is gonna hit higher by her self every time until the attacker gets on their premium team, then it's a different story. Same goe's for Ellen and Zhuyuan
Tbf, miyabi herself is giga overtuned so not a good comparison, this video also shows how he compares with attack agents like zhu yuan which is a more fair comparison
Your hard work in calcing and testing is appreciated, as well as I can tell you're trying to soften the blow in your description of his strength, but the footage essentially shows him as being better than Anton by about the same amount that he's worse than Zhu Yuan. If they wanted to undertune his baseline performance to be the weakest of all the limited characters, I can basically accept it because the first copy is being given for free. But I am still of the opinion that the low quality of his mindscapes is incredibly egregious. They would lose nothing by making his m1 or m2 a bit stronger; people have to spend pulls on that, same as any other character, and his m0 is so weak that it's not as if he'd be significantly overtaking the rest of the cast. As it is, there is literally no way for fans to make him competitive unless they whale him out completely to M6, and even at that level of investment he's only competitive with older limiteds, not newer ones. Not even touching on the fact that he is completely dead on a rerun, if he ever gets one. I can see that he's viable right now, I'm confident I'll be able to clear content with him, and it's undoubtedly great that he's going to be available for new players to help cover one Shiyu side, but as a launch day player who's been waiting for him since he first appeared in the trailer, this outcome is frustrating no matter how I slice it. I would seriously have preferred if they just made him a standard banner unit or an A-rank. I'm still going to go for the M2R1, but it feels like meager insurance against the HP bloat that seems inevitable with Miyabi in the game, and a limited support on the horizon.
Even as a brand new player, it still always feels bad in gacha to invest in units you know will 100% be benched within a year. Yes he will help me clear and get currency faster for now, but there’s still gonna be that part of my brain that feels like I’m wasting resources.
@@QMS9224 I don't think he will be a complete waste, as even 6 months of use is not bad value to get out of a free unit. TBH, if powercreep in ZZZ follows the trajectory that it's currently on (like if they don't pull the brakes HARD next patch), any unit you pull is at risk of being benched in a year anyway, so you may as well get the most out of them while you can. Ellen has already been completely displaced from her team and role within just 5 months of release, but I still don't regret pulling her because she helped me have a smooth early-game experience, and Haru should help do the same. (Also helps that I do really like her as well, of course!) (Although I guess since I'm not pulling Miyabi, she won't be replaced on my account at least, haha)
"Qingyi+Nicole" Is the BIS partner. So bro just Took every Zhu yuan partner Lol Im not complaining tho, That basically make it easier so i don't have to build other support for him. But This is indeed a Big problem for people who want play both at same time in SD
@@justjuniorjaw its Kinda funny my Ellen Team now actually Using Cesar and Rina S1 M1, so my Shokaku can goes to Miyabi and im close to 300 pull to get Lycaon
@@justjuniorjawthis is exactly why you should invest in supports in gacha, and just use 4 star dps until at least a few patches. As a new player I feel kinda bad for day 1 Ellen pullers especially those who hyper invested mindscapes
Man, he looks really underwhelming after seeing Miyabi... And why Zhu Yuan its equal in his content...😢 I dont like him to be free man if they screw him over, this is unfair...
it's overall better for the game if he's on zhu yuan level - it's not like she is unusable, I still clear with her with comfort miyabi being an outlier and a void hunter sets a ceiling for future characters, and if they break this ceiling, then we will have another hsr problem on our hands
Harumasa clearing 4 secs faster with Zansten than m6 Anton with Brimstone is laughable. Great early game carry? You already have one, and his name is Billy who doesnt require you to use sweaty combos to get the most of his dmg. Wow, he's doing comparable dps to 1.0 units? Are we still in 1.0 meta? When hp gets inflated because the newsest dps doing 1m dmg on a charged basic, we just gonna have Haru struggling along with the 1.0 units? New and returning players are going to be using a dps balance around 1.0 units in a meta thats going to be accommodating the new baseline Miyabi is going to set. This is what we're supposed to be grateful for? The free five star they get doesnt even take an hour to grind. You dont need 2 teams until you hit lvl 50 at the earliest. Imagine if Hutao had the same dps as Klee. The best thing about Haru is that he's free. Couldn't even put him somewhere between Jane and Yanagi.
RIP Rina not being good to play with Haru. On the bright side she’s really good with the two strongest characters in the game. Question is if Rina is better than Soukaku for Miyabi and Yanagi team. If our S-rank support is outperformed yet again by another A-rank support, I’d be pretty sad.
It's nice he's free but it's kinda sad he is that far behind. Probably not worth building for anyone not brand new. Idk why ZZZ couldn't give us a Dr. Ratio or Xianli Yao tier character.
its weak to electric + the shiyu buff gives electric dmg. Hes behind Zhu Yuan (who is like the 3rd strongest dmg dealer rn), but still on par with ellen
Thanks for the video! Sorry if this is an obvious question (I'm a new player), but outside of stun windows should we still be trying to do that rotation you said in the beginning, or is it just freestyle until stun? Also, does Woodpecker Electro compare to Thunder Metal/Hormone Punk at all?
Did anyone test if it's possible to fit 14 EDA inside a stun window with M1 while pairing him with Qingyi and doing proper rotation? After all, with it you'd need to use his EX Special and/or BA4&5 one time less than usual, which would then free some stun durarion for these 2 extra EDA
@@harmofwill36 you are the only one i see making the discussion.. free character clearing all content with f2p setup being compared to the most hyped up overpowered thing designed to lure people back into the relaunch? ya'll gonna lose your mind once 2.0 hits and miyabi isn't the best anymore. these are gacha games lol take the free char and pull for who you like
People when jstern says that haru sucks: "waaah game bad, powercreep, its harumover" People when jstern says that harumasa is a great character for new players and on the same level of ellen: "waaaah, its harumover, he is worse then miyabi, he sucks" Wtf? Lol
Ppl stress so much when he is free, i know that it doesnt mean that he has to be bad but he isnt, he is good just not op tier, i have zhu yuan with the f2p team, i will build him and switch with Zhu yuan when electric weak enemies, if u don't have any electric dps he is great tbh (i know ppl will come and say but anton m6 yes ur right if u have him m6 but if u dont then he will be good for u)
The doom post comments are really somethin on this one. Yes Harumasa is going to be underwhelming compared to Miyabi who is a void hunter and who is also FREE. He’s not actually a bad character and I’m just relieved that he’ll be available when I was stressing about needing to try and get Miyabi AND him.
Why can't he be as good as Zhu Yuan without any caveats then? Forget comparing with Miyabi. Just compare him with his fellow attacker. In calcs, Zhu Yuan will always pull ahead. And I refuse to believe this is because he is free
so next patch its basically the worst and the best limited, people just are blinded cause hes free, this is bad for the game imo and ellen is 100% getting powercrept in 3 patches is just shameful atleast wait for version 2 to do a direct powercreep i accept those terms in any hoyogame cause its just inevitable but 3 patches is just too soon for me
I think this is a bit hyperbolic as long as you're matching an element with an enemies weakness and your units are decently invested you'll clear just fine Miyabi releasing isn't going to change that.
A free character that is clearing end game content with a f2p team setup .. and we're supposed to be upset? I'm looking forward to having more toys to play with. And you're speaking as if Ellen is dead and unusable lol it's going to be okay. Let's see how 2.0 turns out before all this doom and gloom
No consideration of not using a stunner and onfielding Haru while keeping the enemy anomed (like with Grace)? Even though you mentioned he can do damage out of stun. Also, no Anton's engine in the calcs (if you're gonna use the event engine on someone else)? I saw someone else's calcs that I'd trust less showing Drill Rig being like only a couple % behind the event one.
It seems like the people who are genuinely curious about Hypershock Harumasa will have to test it themselves because no CC will as long as Qingyi exists.
@@Kicksrockskids But with using an anom agent he doesn't have limited windows you can keep an enemy anommed far more of the time than you can have one stunned - that's kinda the whole point.
Our boy is back at it again. Thank you ZZZ for letting somebody that actually knows what they are talking about cover the game.
watch them invite Leifa to the CC server for the ultimate crossover
Bro is posting video about creator beta server while livestreaming leaks. Balls of Ether
when jstern does leak content but still gets accepted into CC beta servers because hes just a chill guy
@@dioxide39 Good thing the ZZZ devs are pretty chill aswell
I think it helps that he actually likes the game, in contrast to some other particular TC's currently covering hoyos sister titles...
@@minatoarisato7652 zaChef is tired of the meta. At least ZZZ still keeps things fresh even when we're only in 1.0 era.
Massive W for the ZZZ devs realizing leakers actually promote the game better and support them rather than throw a tantrum like the GI and HSR devs.
This. Leaks and all the theory crafting that goes on during beta contribute greatly to hype. Also, small correction, people like Jstern aren’t leakers, technically. He discusses leaks and builds upon leaked data. He’s not in betas himself.
You know ZZZ isn't doing too hot if HOYO out of everyone is allowing this kind of stuff.
I mean, HSR has been doing creator server for a while now
WuWa devs also they telling the community to snitch.
Honestly a blessing that Jstern got into the content creator server. Thanks for the great guides as always!
13:26 It's crazy how good Anton is when he clears just 4 secs slower than Harumasa.
Lmao fr. When he said Harumasa is closer to Ellen and ZY, I was not expecting 4 second difference
@@いするぎみお Too bad his playstyle is not my cup of tea. Otherwise he's a great character, very Kamina coded.
People saying Harumasa is not great especially comparing to Anton tends to forget the enjoyment of playing characters with cool animation
True 😂 there can be a world of difference when the gameplay and animations are better
True, Anton doesnt feel fun to play at all for me.
They said the same shit with Quiyui that she's worse than Anby and now I saw a lot of people saying she's Top tier stunner
apparently harumasa got buffed so much that shes equal to ellen this is just rumors tho take it with a grain of salt
@@qk4m4 PLEASE, dont give me hope
I'm glad hes "Good for new players" but as someone who's been saving for him since 1.0 its bullshit he is calced weaker at M6 than Miyabi is at M0
Miyabe with sig is better than M6 harumasa no cap 😂
they gutted harumasa's multipliers 2-3 weeks ago, they hate his ass so much its crazy
....i mean, it could be because attackers are meant to be played different vs anomaly in general. I wouldn't put any attacker against jane doe solo damage, jane is gonna hit higher by her self every time until the attacker gets on their premium team, then it's a different story. Same goe's for Ellen and Zhuyuan
That's every other attackers tho? she is overtuned as hell lmao
Tbf, miyabi herself is giga overtuned so not a good comparison, this video also shows how he compares with attack agents like zhu yuan which is a more fair comparison
Harumasa beating the allegations
what allegations? harumasa can barely beat anton 😂
@@reguret2976 fishinge
@ let me cope 😭😂
@@reguret2976people just be saying anything nowadays huh
@@reguret2976 bro is still stuck in version 1.4.6
Your hard work in calcing and testing is appreciated, as well as I can tell you're trying to soften the blow in your description of his strength, but the footage essentially shows him as being better than Anton by about the same amount that he's worse than Zhu Yuan. If they wanted to undertune his baseline performance to be the weakest of all the limited characters, I can basically accept it because the first copy is being given for free. But I am still of the opinion that the low quality of his mindscapes is incredibly egregious. They would lose nothing by making his m1 or m2 a bit stronger; people have to spend pulls on that, same as any other character, and his m0 is so weak that it's not as if he'd be significantly overtaking the rest of the cast. As it is, there is literally no way for fans to make him competitive unless they whale him out completely to M6, and even at that level of investment he's only competitive with older limiteds, not newer ones. Not even touching on the fact that he is completely dead on a rerun, if he ever gets one.
I can see that he's viable right now, I'm confident I'll be able to clear content with him, and it's undoubtedly great that he's going to be available for new players to help cover one Shiyu side, but as a launch day player who's been waiting for him since he first appeared in the trailer, this outcome is frustrating no matter how I slice it. I would seriously have preferred if they just made him a standard banner unit or an A-rank. I'm still going to go for the M2R1, but it feels like meager insurance against the HP bloat that seems inevitable with Miyabi in the game, and a limited support on the horizon.
Even as a brand new player, it still always feels bad in gacha to invest in units you know will 100% be benched within a year. Yes he will help me clear and get currency faster for now, but there’s still gonna be that part of my brain that feels like I’m wasting resources.
@@QMS9224 I don't think he will be a complete waste, as even 6 months of use is not bad value to get out of a free unit. TBH, if powercreep in ZZZ follows the trajectory that it's currently on (like if they don't pull the brakes HARD next patch), any unit you pull is at risk of being benched in a year anyway, so you may as well get the most out of them while you can. Ellen has already been completely displaced from her team and role within just 5 months of release, but I still don't regret pulling her because she helped me have a smooth early-game experience, and Haru should help do the same. (Also helps that I do really like her as well, of course!) (Although I guess since I'm not pulling Miyabi, she won't be replaced on my account at least, haha)
"Qingyi+Nicole" Is the BIS partner. So bro just Took every Zhu yuan partner Lol
Im not complaining tho, That basically make it easier so i don't have to build other support for him. But This is indeed a Big problem for people who want play both at same time in SD
Miyabi taking Ellen's BIS (even if it's not Miyabbi's BIS), Harumada taking ZY's BIS
@@justjuniorjaw its Kinda funny my Ellen Team now actually Using Cesar and Rina S1 M1, so my Shokaku can goes to Miyabi and im close to 300 pull to get Lycaon
@@justjuniorjawthis is exactly why you should invest in supports in gacha, and just use 4 star dps until at least a few patches. As a new player I feel kinda bad for day 1 Ellen pullers especially those who hyper invested mindscapes
He detonates his what
haru is into CBT and im not talkin about closed beta test 💀
I’m Not crazy being shocked that bro managed to be in the creator server too right?
It feels like any CC who covered ZZZ somewhat regularly got an invite 😅
13:45 you have a little umm... something there
Man, he looks really underwhelming after seeing Miyabi... And why Zhu Yuan its equal in his content...😢 I dont like him to be free man if they screw him over, this is unfair...
I know.. its hard especially when people save up and skip multiple banners just to be given a free character that can't match up to previous banners..
its a problem all crit dps face. anomaly is just broken
@@goronado8446 yea fr :/ I hate that anomaly does more dps than attackers :(
it's overall better for the game if he's on zhu yuan level - it's not like she is unusable, I still clear with her with comfort
miyabi being an outlier and a void hunter sets a ceiling for future characters, and if they break this ceiling, then we will have another hsr problem on our hands
@@goronado8446 Except miyabi is not an anomaly dps LMFAO. She's a crit scaling dps that's tagged with anomaly.
Harumasa, a figure in history for the amount he failed us and the amount he proved himself again despite all odds.
A video so nice I watched it twice
Still can't believe they let you in! Happy for you!
Harumasa clearing 4 secs faster with Zansten than m6 Anton with Brimstone is laughable. Great early game carry? You already have one, and his name is Billy who doesnt require you to use sweaty combos to get the most of his dmg. Wow, he's doing comparable dps to 1.0 units? Are we still in 1.0 meta? When hp gets inflated because the newsest dps doing 1m dmg on a charged basic, we just gonna have Haru struggling along with the 1.0 units?
New and returning players are going to be using a dps balance around 1.0 units in a meta thats going to be accommodating the new baseline Miyabi is going to set. This is what we're supposed to be grateful for?
The free five star they get doesnt even take an hour to grind. You dont need 2 teams until you hit lvl 50 at the earliest.
Imagine if Hutao had the same dps as Klee.
The best thing about Haru is that he's free. Couldn't even put him somewhere between Jane and Yanagi.
They nerfed Billy
1:09 "Initially"? based on what information? 😭😭
timestamp kinda off btw, 4:05 is skill priority then 4:32 is drive disks
just downloaded the game and got lycaon from standard. is he any good with harumasa or is anby better?
Still gonna use him with my M2 Rina😤
I almost choke myself after seeing his rotation
Jstern is qingyi worth building or i just build grace and nicole the stun window is very small
3:02 for optimal combo
RIP Rina not being good to play with Haru. On the bright side she’s really good with the two strongest characters in the game. Question is if Rina is better than Soukaku for Miyabi and Yanagi team. If our S-rank support is outperformed yet again by another A-rank support, I’d be pretty sad.
Probably depends if you have m1 or not.
My Ellen/Caesar team with m2 Rina beats my m6 Soukaku on Shiyu 6 by like 10-20.
It's nice he's free but it's kinda sad he is that far behind. Probably not worth building for anyone not brand new.
Idk why ZZZ couldn't give us a Dr. Ratio or Xianli Yao tier character.
He isn't that far behind
he is an equivalent of zhuyuan
@@obihz241517:20 . No, he isnt
@@obihz2415correct yourself, Zhu yuan with the 25% buff
@@senseioct8564and -20% element res on enemy
Wait, is woodpecker not good for him?
Really sucks that hes more or less useless for my account
Cool playstyle and my favorite weapon archetype just for him to be alright
Hey how would a 2 piece branch blade, 2 piece woodpecker, and 2 piece thundermetal compare to the 4 pieces you mentioned
lighter and lycaon are my only stun options :(
Build Anby, she’s pretty good especially with mindscapes.
What w engine would be better for him? Brimstone or Marcato?
@@Soupeakyv brimstone
NOTED rina > nicole COPIUM
Whats the weakness of the mech boss? Is he clearing an electric weak boss at a similar time to Zhu on a boss that isn't weak to ether?
Yeah dont think that boss has Ether weakness. Haru is literally the worst limited 5 star
its weak to electric + the shiyu buff gives electric dmg.
Hes behind Zhu Yuan (who is like the 3rd strongest dmg dealer rn), but still on par with ellen
electric weak + shiyu buff for eletric.
So.... yeah... on equal footing, he is worse than Zhu Yuan.
Thanks for the video!
Sorry if this is an obvious question (I'm a new player), but outside of stun windows should we still be trying to do that rotation you said in the beginning, or is it just freestyle until stun? Also, does Woodpecker Electro compare to Thunder Metal/Hormone Punk at all?
Did anyone test if it's possible to fit 14 EDA inside a stun window with M1 while pairing him with Qingyi and doing proper rotation? After all, with it you'd need to use his EX Special and/or BA4&5 one time less than usual, which would then free some stun durarion for these 2 extra EDA
The fact Harumasa is worse at M6 than Miyabi is at M0 is just sad.
ZZZ really missed the mark on a good free unit
I don't exactly think he is worse than m0 miyabi at m6
@@jstern25 The fact you can't even deny it says alot haha, the fact the discussion is even a M6 vs M0 is wild
@@harmofwill36 you are the only one i see making the discussion.. free character clearing all content with f2p setup being compared to the most hyped up overpowered thing designed to lure people back into the relaunch? ya'll gonna lose your mind once 2.0 hits and miyabi isn't the best anymore. these are gacha games lol take the free char and pull for who you like
@@harmofwill36 Anomaly has been better than attackers in general for a while now, i think it's suppose to be that way starting to notice a pattern.
@@kiryusama6067 Making any character stronger than a VOID HUNTER is ill-adviced.
Is the kind of damage his Ellen is hitting average? Or are there Cinema Mindscapes involved?
Everyone is m0
Dude i always wonder how his ellen is hitting so hard
People when jstern says that haru sucks: "waaah game bad, powercreep, its harumover"
People when jstern says that harumasa is a great character for new players and on the same level of ellen: "waaaah, its harumover, he is worse then miyabi, he sucks"
Wtf? Lol
Ikr
A Ellen without lighter
he's cookin
Harumasa vs Soldier 11?
Pog!!
Ppl stress so much when he is free, i know that it doesnt mean that he has to be bad but he isnt, he is good just not op tier, i have zhu yuan with the f2p team, i will build him and switch with Zhu yuan when electric weak enemies, if u don't have any electric dps he is great tbh (i know ppl will come and say but anton m6 yes ur right if u have him m6 but if u dont then he will be good for u)
The Internatter of ZZZ?
Thinking about skipping Miyabi and pulling for Harumasa’s wengine….
I thought Hoyo was getting even harder on people who discussed leaks, how tf did bro managed to get invited 💀
this videos are hilarious for no reason :clueless: long lasting members would know
first
The doom post comments are really somethin on this one. Yes Harumasa is going to be underwhelming compared to Miyabi who is a void hunter and who is also FREE.
He’s not actually a bad character and I’m just relieved that he’ll be available when I was stressing about needing to try and get Miyabi AND him.
Why can't he be as good as Zhu Yuan without any caveats then? Forget comparing with Miyabi. Just compare him with his fellow attacker. In calcs, Zhu Yuan will always pull ahead. And I refuse to believe this is because he is free
@@mharris1055 Well, if you refuse to believe that then what’s your theory?
so next patch its basically the worst and the best limited, people just are blinded cause hes free, this is bad for the game imo and ellen is 100% getting powercrept in 3 patches is just shameful atleast wait for version 2 to do a direct powercreep i accept those terms in any hoyogame cause its just inevitable but 3 patches is just too soon for me
Welcome to gachas. Don't pull for meta
I think this is a bit hyperbolic as long as you're matching an element with an enemies weakness and your units are decently invested you'll clear just fine Miyabi releasing isn't going to change that.
A free character that is clearing end game content with a f2p team setup .. and we're supposed to be upset? I'm looking forward to having more toys to play with.
And you're speaking as if Ellen is dead and unusable lol it's going to be okay. Let's see how 2.0 turns out before all this doom and gloom
@@BobBob-dl3cu I've been saving for him since 1.0 and he is worse at M6 than Miyabi is at M0. so yeah I think its justified to be upset.
@@baguettez99no not really
buhboom
Idk, guide doesnt seems to be complete with no comparison of different setups like stun vs anomaly. It is of his potent teams
4seconds better than Anton clear. lmao.
it's a lot of skill issue, mostly just wanted to show off footage
What if your first DPS is Zhyu tho 🥲
Now you can just slot Haru in when there's an electric weakness instead of ether
Save him for electro weakness content and pull for Yao, it will free one of the team place
No consideration of not using a stunner and onfielding Haru while keeping the enemy anomed (like with Grace)? Even though you mentioned he can do damage out of stun.
Also, no Anton's engine in the calcs (if you're gonna use the event engine on someone else)? I saw someone else's calcs that I'd trust less showing Drill Rig being like only a couple % behind the event one.
Some say it'z not worth to use anomaly, so stun is better. Especially since Qingyi exists
Stun is just better. He has limited damage windows so better make those bursts worth it.
It seems like the people who are genuinely curious about Hypershock Harumasa will have to test it themselves because no CC will as long as Qingyi exists.
@@xenoemblem7 Yeah, like rando folks saying that... why I was hoping Jstern would show if it was bad or not.
@@Kicksrockskids But with using an anom agent he doesn't have limited windows you can keep an enemy anommed far more of the time than you can have one stunned - that's kinda the whole point.
Seems stupid to build him if electric content will be balanced around Yanagi tbh
Its a choice if you dont want to build him dont, some ppl dont have yanagi
Seems stupid to say that when not everyone has Yanagi.
Idk, guide doesnt seems to be complete with no comparison of different setups like stun vs anomaly. It is of his potent teams