Buffalo, according to the most recent Census data that just came out, actually showed an increase in population for the first time in quite a while - really great to see! The city itself has so much more to offer than it did even 15 years ago. Very young, energetic, creative vibe in some of the city neighborhoods. It still has its issues, but overall it’s a pretty interesting mid-size city. As always enjoy your videos. Perhaps something that takes a look at the recent census data and what it implies would be interesting as a future video?
Yeah, there has been a lot of new housing going in, mostly from empty factories and other abandoned buildings. It's growth, albeit slow growth. Go Bills!
Hey, I’m from Upstate New York and working from home and haven’t gone into work since covid. I live not too far away from Ithaca and the Finger Lakes region which is pretty beautiful. There are also no natural disasters if you live on a hill. The snow can get really heavy in the winter time but the summers are nice and also some really pretty fall colors here too. I love it here and I wouldn’t move anywhere else.
The only issue with Ithaca for remote work, particularly in the hills surrounding it, is the lousy internet and cell service. Summer is indeed gorgeous, but winters are dark and gloomy.
I came to Central New York for grad school and graduated a few years ago. I still haven't left. It is beautiful up here. Winters are what I call expert only, to steal a skiing term, but the fall colors more than make up for it.
A lot of these places offer really affordable houses, it's true. However working from home, and raising children, might change this ranking I feel. Things like public school funding, safety, cultural events and employment opportunities would be a factor.
@@myname3330 I meant the local job opportunities for my own kids when they hit the teenage years. I'd rather raise my kids somewhere they don't have to move away from.
@@Dave_the_Dave OooOo apologies, that didn’t occur to me. Umm, honestly I’m not sure how much weight you should give that. Keeping kids home pretty much anywhere is a crapshoot. School and job opportunities will send even the most advantaged kids away from a childhood in say…Boston. Best to prioritize your ability to raise a family in a way that makes them comfortable and happy while preparing them to be competitive adults. And of course someplace YOU feel comfortable living out your adulthood. After the kids leave the guppy pool it’s a crapshoot. They’d likely be incentivized to leave or stay by any number of reasons more strongly that the local job market. Especially considering that I’d expect the state of the job market in 10-15 years to be even more flexible than it is currently location wise.
I’m so happy to finally see Pittsburgh on one of these videos ❤️ I came here from the DC area for college a few years ago and decided to stay. Granted I’m not working from home, but when I look at all the pros and cons of here and any other city in America……. It ain’t worth moving. Every neighborhood feels like a different small town. People are authentically nice but brutally honest. Great nature inside and not far outside the city. Would take a hell of a place to convince me to leave.
When I was in Costa Rica I met a group of people from Pittsburgh. They were so nice and down to earth! Pittsburgh is definitely one place I intend to visit.
If you think people in Pittsburgh are nice, I advise visiting the south and the mid west. I grew up in Pittsburgh and people are not friendly at usually when they are they're trying to get something from you.
The biggest issue with Lake County CA is that the whole place is going to burn down at some point. Any given fire season could take it out. If you buy there, make sure there's no trees touching your home & go *crazy* with the fire prevention.
I just took Amtrak two weeks ago from Sandusky (Cedar Point), back home in the Philly Suburbs. I had a layover in Pittsburgh because Sandusky is on the Capitol Limited (Chicago-DC) and my final destination on the Pennsylvanian-Paoli/Thorndale. They were doing upgrades to the station and passed through some cool bridges in and out of the Steel City. There were some pretty parts of Pennsylvania I hadn't seen before as I'm used to the PA Turnpike System (I-76, 276, 476. Although my mom drove me out to Sandusky on I-80). It was interesting seeing the Penn Central branding on the stations out in the western part of the state (I think even up to Lancaster). A lot of rail history is actually centered in Philadelphia and I find it interesting.
PA is gorgeous. I think a lot of Central PA cities that have somewhat languished over the past 30 or 40 years are going to see growing populations and revitalizations as more people transition to WFH
About Lake County, clearlake isn't potable, and they advise against swimming in it, or eating anything out of it. Secondly, I'd advise against it because of high fire risk. I wouldn't condone buying housing in an area that burns down almost every year now - especially since the houses aren't dirt cheap anymore. Just my 2 cents.
The problem with working from home in Charleston WV, is the internet provider is awful. Suddenlink has a near monopoly on the internet in most of WV. and their service is terrible. The Public Service Commission has currently held two hearings on customer complaints and has given the company 60 days to submit a plan to correct all the problems. I am not optimistic since I am unsure of how much authority the PSC has to force them to correct their issues. Our only other options are a slow DSL provider or expensive satellite. My Daughter has struggled with this issue here since the pandemic began with trying to work from home.
I actually live in Dayton (grew up in Toledo) and fun fact: The house that’s $500,000 and literally looks like a mansion is a stone’s throw away from Martin Sheen’s old house. He had a residency a block or two away from the house featured. And also, most of the neighborhoods south and east of the river are actually pretty nice. There are some neighborhoods north of the river that are pretty like Vandalia, Englewood, and Huber though. And the proximity to Cincinnati, Columbus, and even Indianapolis makes it a really nice place to live. Also, the job market has been getting better.
I feel like this should be split into 2 videos of these categories: A. Best cost:safety ratio within a 2 hour drive from a major city. These would be for those who occasionally have to commute into work. B. Best cost:safety ratio with access to high-speed internet. These would be places for those who can really work anywhere they want.
I was thinking the same: if you have access to reliable high speed internet, and there is little to no need for you to visit you operation’s headquarters, you can live almost anywhere. I’ve always lived in or near large cities - NYC, DC, and Chicago - and have had pretty solid and consistent access to broadband. Are those who live in more rural, remote areas seeing improvement in broadband access? I believe in some iterations of the mythical “infrastructure legislation”, there has been mention of a more robust expansion of the country’s broadband network. If that comes to bear, it could be a real game changer in terms of working-from-home/telecommuting. There’s not a corporation in America (particularly publicly traded ones) that isn’t looking to reduce its commercial real estate needs. Add to that the tax benefits associated with a home office, and the pieces are all in place. It may come to pass that the legacy of COVID-19 is in the way people all over world conduct and structure their business operations. The benefits could be astonishing: more profitable companies, reduced carbon footprint, less congested cities, workers with more free time, etc.
No one ever mentions safety of the roads even though statistically speaking you have the same odds of dying via a firearm (including crime, accidents and suicide) as in a car crash! People seem more afraid of crime than heart disease even though 1/4 Americans die of heart disease, oftentimes suddenly.
@@goober7535 If you're living remotely then road safety isn't a concern. People *should* be more afraid of crime than heart disease, because with a few exceptions, heart disease is entirely the fault of the individual and could be easily controlled. There's not much you as an individual can do about crime, and one of the things that drives fear is a lack of control.
Also in PA -- Lehigh Valley: Allentown, Bethlehem, Easton. Much cheaper than NYC (1.5 hrs) or Philly (1 hr) with loads of great food, entertainment and outdoor activities. It gets better every year.
Lancaster is pretty nice, but it's also been growing quite a bit. I think the cat is out of the bag on that one. Bethlehem could have definitely been on this list though.
In regards to the viewer comment about always including California in these videos, it is ok to ask questions or make good contributions or comments about these videos, but what is not ok is to ask or comment rudely and - perhaps worse yet - with no objective, valuable contribution to these professional videos. Kyle, thanks for the great data “indexing” approach you implement and apply to create these educational videos.
Seeing the prices for the houses you showed goes to show the massive difference in housing markets across the country. The housing market here in Minneapolis is quite inflated and, seeing some of those prices in other cities, you can get quite a bang for your buck.
What a great, and flat out refreshing channel. Nothing like most of what you encounter on youtube. Kudos for listing places most people wouldn't necessarily consider, such as Gary and Buffalo.
NW Indiana native here. The chances of US Steel leaving Gary are near zero. They are subsidized by the federal government, and are crucial to American manufacturing in the area. I could go deeper into why, but it would be ten pages long. In short, they’re part of a chain of steel refining stretching from iron ore mining in Minnesota to building the finished product in Chicago (such as Humvees and APC’s). If anything, if the steel mill goes away, crime will get worse. That’s the reason crime in Detroit is so bad. Also, if you’re going to commute to anywhere, for the love of God, don’t commute to Chicago. 55 people have died this year from gangbangers taking pot shots at random people driving on the highway south of the city….in broad daylight.
Kyle, a major factor you overlooked is airline connections. Most distance workers need to return to their Corporate HQ periodically but many smaller, desirable cities lack good airline connections. Some only offer EAS (Essential Air Service) connections, which are minimal. That's one reason why places like Bozeman MT are booming. Little 50,000 pop. Bozeman has 9 regional and national airlines with flights running from 6 a.m. to 2 a.m. the next day.
Morgantown WV is a good work from home location. Housing is a little higher than Charleston WV, but prices are starting to soften. Great college town with a ton of stuff to do and good dining, and only a little over an hour from Pittsburgh. 😊
My father's family home in Gary was sold last month for $4500. The house has long since left our family when my grandfather died in 1987, and the house has only lost value since then. It doesn't help that the house was also a murder scene not so long ago with the victim buried in the backyard.
The Eastern Shore of Maryland/Virginia is pretty good for WFH. Some areas like Pocomoke City or Cambridge are quite cheap (even cheaper than Dover) yet also close to Ocean City, Hampton Roads, DC, Baltimore and Philly.
Woohoo! Delaware (my home state) is a good place to raise your kids. I wouldn’t live in downtown Dover, but, areas like Milford, or any suburb outside Dover is pretty cool, more to do than you’d expect, decent schools, and we loveeeeee our sports! Great video per usual =)
Good video. Most of these cities have good bones: big parks, neighborhood schools, walkability so once you remove the industrial air pollution and clean up the environmental mess left by industries they are nice places. But the politicians have to man up on cleaning up the environmental mess though.
Kyle I'm literally moving from Dayton to Buffalo in under a month. Don't reveal my master plans to everyone else and drive up property prices in my area lmao.
Love your videos, would love to see a video about Northern California. Maybe explore Indigenous maps and the the territories of the Tribes in the area, you may find some things interesting.
The Ex grew up in Hamburg, just south of Buffalo. Like all of upstate NY has beautiful summers. The way to swing it would be to live there May-October.
I was going for places that no one really thinks about, specifically ones currently losing population. Oklahoma's population is growing pretty good and I think OKC is definitely on the radar for a lot of people. But yes, all three of those are relatively inexpensive as well, and I could certainly recommend all three.
I’m glad to hear Gary. The only thing that can stop the 50 years of bleeding is people taking a chance on it. The South Shore Line stop also helps build on Gary’s potential.
@@PeakBagger999 when a city looses that much population and that many homes become abandoned, it’s hard for it to look nice. Especially since lost residents means list tax base. The neighborhood around Michael Jackson’s childhood home could use a lot of investment in terms of leveling properties and manicuring subsequent green space. In turning around a city in Gary’s condition visual progress is always going to be slow to see.
Clearlake is a terrible place. Was there in March 2020 and a buddy got mugged in a parking lot after a couple guys followed him back from the bar. Later, the hotel clerk told us that the bar is known as "Mexicans only" and don't take kindly to other people.
Hi, Kyle - Dayton does have less expensive housing overall but when you search for properties on Zillow, you're actually receiving listings that are not within the city limits, but neighboring communities that can use a Dayton postal ZIP code. That's why you found that $500,000 house. It's actually in Washington Township, Ohio, far from the city limits.
Nice video. I’d love to see a video like this where you list some good places to buy and rent out part of the house all of the year or all of the house some of the year. The places you listed probably are good for if someone who doesn’t intend to rent the property to anyone else anytime soon.
You're right about Gary and its reputation. The name Gary still has an extremely negative connotation and the nice part of Gary you're talking about is called Miller, which nobody in the area calls Gary but you're right it is the city of Gary. The city overall has a long long ways to come but it is certainly better than it was 20 years ago. The area has one of the greatest assets too, The South shore rail line, the last interurban remaining in the United States And they are looking to take the single track and make it double all the way to Michigan City because the demand is so great. It has three stops in Gary: Grant Avenue to the West, Metro center downtown, and the Miller stop. So yes and most parts of Miller you can walk to a train and take it right into Chicago's Millennium Park station.
First off - love the video premise. As someone in the tech industry who has opened our recruiting up to full time remote nationwide these are the places I see people moving to: 1. Central Florida (Orlando, Tampa, Daytona) 2. Southern Texas (Austin, San Antonio) 3. Southwest (Pheonix, Tucson, and Albuquerque) 4. Southern California (Los Angeles, San Diego) 5. Philadelphia Purely anecdotal and might be specific to the software industry but those are the places that come up time and time again when I talk to people.
New subscriber - Pittsburgh is where I am going to visit as a tourist next week. Why? Because they have great public transit that is growing. Gary is served by one of the few electric railways around Chicago land. Buffalo as well, is flat and well served by public transit. Dayton too. Freedom from car ownership saves a bloke from 3 to 7 thousand per year. I hope you can mention such things in future videos. People don't realize how close we are to energy supply problems. Being stranded in some place with crap or non-existent transit will be a death sentence for many people too old or scared to ride an e-bike to haul groceries. Fracking is winding down, as will the special privilege of the US dollar. You see how bungled and distorted the response to covid is? A walk in the park compared to an energy crunch. The military, schools, trucking, will all get theirs. The consumer will be the first to get cut off, both by price and government fiat.
Lancaster, York, and Carlisle PA are great small cities with a pretty reasonable cost of living. Theres a great small business culture and local arts scene with a lot of theaters, museums, historic architecture everywhere, and great hiking nearby. Plus its close ish to DC, Baltimore, and Philly. Also Pittsburgh slightly gained population as of the 2020 census. Much of the rust belt had population loss overestimated
@@gus473 Do you mean local taxes being separate from state tax? They're always pretty straightforward. PA taxes are pretty middle of the road, especially compared to most Northeastern states. But if you're used to lower tax rates I cant blame you at all
Request: "Hipster Sniff" cities and "Post-Hipster Sniff" cities, as per your comment about Gary. I would really be interested to know the places hipsters are sniffing around now, and the places they are leaving. Canaries in a coal mine and all that.
I've got a series of videos coming up about the specifics of urban structure for individual cities. The first one should be up in a couple of weeks-ish.
@@GeographyKing please study and talk with locals about the history of Brooklyn New York. There are 2.6 million people that live in this part/borough of NYC. I live a few hundred yards from the Brooklyn bridge, on the other side of the bridge landing are DUMBO, and vinegar hill. It is a story of the most expensive neighborhood in NYC next to a huge multi tower public housing complex/area. It’s the sort of place where liberal ideals meet genuine poverty, racial disparities, and everyone’s best wishes for their kids. Segregation in NYC is stark and visible, just walking down the street
What about Kenosha, Wisconsin? Kind of similar to Gary in that it is a doable albeit long commute to Chicago but is nicer and reasonably close to Milwaukee too. Also housing prices are below the US average.
Milwaukee area or anywhere in between MKE and Chicago is great for working from home. Pretty close to a mega city of chicago and it has a declining population so housing prices are lower. MKE is a great big city to live near as well, with the media giving it a much worse rap than how it actually is. MKE is also a city I feel will be on the rise soon, with the new Hop downtown, the Bucks winning the championship, giving the city new life, and lots of new developments starting to give it a renewed feel.
Yeah I was gona say Kenosha is a great place to work from home. You can get on the metra to go to Chicago or drive to Milwaukee (you could drive to Chicago too).
Most of these cities are in northern (i.e., colder climates). Lake County, CA isn’t, but I’d be curious what warmer areas you’d suggest. Overall, good suggestions and I like how you explain the rationale as a geographer.
For this video I was looking at places with declining population where you can get a nice house for cheap. Almost all of the sun belt is gaining population and there aren't many cheap places left except for maybe Mississippi and Louisiana. But for a little more expensive I think Tucson, AZ is a good place. Oklahoma City is pretty nice and underrated. A southern version of Buffalo would be Memphis, also underrated. Huntsville, AL is pretty cool too.
Great Video! I think I would like to hear about internet speeds/data caps factored into a video like this though! That one detail makes a significate decision when moving to some of these places. Not every part of the country has reliable internet speeds nor do they have unlimited data transfer. Great video otherwise!
Yeah that's a big reason why I don't think rural America is going to be big for working from home. I also doubt small towns are going to update their internet speeds to attract WFH city slickers.
Relocating to northern VT as we speak. America's hometown is just too damn expensive (greedy). My wife is fully remote and we're shocked at the connectivity in VT. Leaps and bounds above the rest of New England and NY.
Okmulgee, OK a friend put me on to it a few years back... once had a higher millionaire/sqmi ratio than Manhattan, so loads of incredible 1925-1940 homes that are now $20-140k. even saw a 7k sqft 2ac mansion in downtown go for $400k. 35min to Tulsa, fibre internet, moderate weather, rarely sees ef2+ tornadoes due to surrounding hills, cheap food & fuel & labor & materials, low traffic. SOME really nice welcoming folks ... but, we didn't move there due to repeated hostile/threatening looks/comments from the types who display multiple 10ft political flags & signs in their yards. if you can blend-in with em, you'll be fine - as a mixed couple, we can't.
You were wise to avoid Okmulgee and their evil-twin rival, Muskogee. Back in the 1980s, a relative of mine lived in Okmulgee for several years, because she had a thing for guys who couldn't rub two nickels together. Even if you could blend in, having to pretend to agree with views you oppose, is a terrible way to live. Some parts of the country are more respectful of political and lifestyle differences than others. There's no need to reside, work, and spend your money in an area where you are hated by a large majority of the other residents.
Interesting to hear that there are hints of gentrification happening in Gary. One downside may be the air pollution. I'm not sure if it's bad everywhere in the city, but the worst parts, near the steel mills/refineries, are chokingly bad. Regarding the commute to Chicago, there is the South Shore train. It takes an hour, but at least you can get something done while traveling and I wouldn't be surprised if it's faster than driving when the weather is bad. All that said, I suspect that almost any other city in Lake County would be a better bet, in terms of both physical safety and investment risk, while still being pretty cheap relative to Chicago.
I grew up in a town right next to Gary Indiana and i keep waiting for Gary to turn the corner. There is also a train line called the South Shore line that runs through Gary that will get you to Chicago with ease. I agree that Gary will turn around the location is too good.
*insert Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at TV meme* I was not expecting for Dover, my hometown, to be mentioned in this video lol. It's also worth noting that New Castle County towns and cities are noticeably (but not by a ton) more expensive than Dover but offer a bit more to do and are much closer to the cities. 1.5ish hours to DC and Baltimore. 35-50 minutes to Philly. 2.5ish hours to New York. Only thing further is the DE beaches but it's also much closer to the Jersey shore at about 1.5 hours.
I lived in a suburb of Dayton for 7 years and I could count on one hand how few times I went downtown. Like you said there's nothing downtown that you can't get anywhere else around you in a safer area with more convenient parking. I think the Oregon District is helping revitalize it slightly.
Why would you recommend Charleston, WV over Huntington? They’re both the same size but the latter is a larger metro and also has Ashland, KY. Huntington and Ashland have beautiful old theatres, great neighborhoods, and wonderful city parks, none of which Charleston has. Huntington also has Marshall University giving it a major college with teams and the arts that Charleston lacks. The suburbs of Huntington are all nice and charming and don’t have that chemical plant wasteland feel that surrounds Charleston. The next time you’re up that way, you need to divert into Huntington and see the huge contrast between it and the capital city. Also, Huntington is an hour closer to Lexington, Cincinnati and Columbus.
I do plan on doing more Canadian content but I really need to see more of the provinces before doing and entire video on a single province. But I do have a cross-Canada road trip planned for the spring. I know that's not very soon, but I may have something up my sleeve regarding somewhere specific in Canada coming soon.
Interesting video! What strikes me as interesting in the US, as a non-American, is that the low cost housing doesn't coincide with areas suffering from low birthrates (TFR.) Like in a few New England states the birthrate is less than 1.5 yet they remain unaffordable?
I believe the main reason why housing cost keeps increasing is so many people from rural areas moving into urban areas. Something like half of all counties in the US lost population from 2010 to 2020, nearly all of them rural. This is due to young people in rural areas moving to cities for jobs. So despite the declining birthrate, population is still increasing in urban areas due to immigration.
Great video on low key locations, I am taking a road trip on I-40 to North Carolina in January. Since I know you’ve done that route do you have any recommendations on spots to eat, historical stuff, etc? Feel free to let me know!
As a decade long veteran remote worker, I am happy that one of the few good things of the covid-era is that remote work is way more plentiful now. For me, that meant I didn't feel like I had to linger near Seattle any longer just in case I needed to find a job in my industry and get stuck going into an office. I have zero interest in any place east of Denver, so I looked most seriously at Tucson, Santa Fe and Albuquerque. SF is beautiful but pricey. ABQ just doesn't have a "home" vibe for me, so Tucson ended up being my landing spot. And apparently I wasn't the only person from the PNW who ended up here this year. There's lots to love about the Seattle area, but those rainy winters got to me.
Fascinating video! In Colorado, a great work from home town would be Meeker - they have incredible high speed internet installed there specifically to attract WFH folks, and (for Colorado, anyway), the home prices are reasonable. I love Geo King - he's nerdy and earnest, full of cool info, and exactly the kind of guy I like learning US geography from.
Meeker? Zillow says it has very few homes for sale and what is does have isn't even close to cheap. $250k for a cabin under 900 sq foot? $225k for a run down 1500sq ft split-level? I live near Austin TX and paid $225k for my 2000+ sq ft home just 5 years ago.
@@williammueller6639 That's why I qualified my statement with 'for Colorado, anyway' - for the Colorado Rockies, especially that close to the Flat Tops Wildnerness, that's quite cheap! I'm sure your home in Texas is lovely.
@@amandaarmstrong3606 I used to live in Falcon and Colorado Springs back in the early 2000s. I thought Colorado would have been cheaper than Texas, especially that far out from a major city. I guess not.
Meeker? Really? I sometimes drove through there (grew up in the North Park area) and thought that although it wasn't the middle of nowhere, nowhere wasn't far away (we all know Rangely is truly nowhere).
Love the emphasis on how affordable housing is in some of these places!! I mean, a lot of these homes’ total cost is what you’d need for just your down payment in the South! It’s crazy how people KEEP moving South, with all the traffic, housing scarcity and overpriced areas, it’s crazy guys.
I really love your channel… I’m a native New Mexican who’s lived in NYC for the past 16 years. I went to college in Michigan and drove my little Toyota pickup back and forth every semester. Just curious, have you ever been a renter? I fly fish, surf, hike, and rock climb for fun. I’m an ICU doctor who now drives a smart car for parking reasons. I have little ambition for paying a mortgage. I can’t afford to buy a small apartment anyways, so… just curious? Ever lived in a truly urban place, like NYC, Boston, Chicago, or New Orleans?
Thank you. I rented apartments and houses from ages 19-30. I lived in Los Angeles while in college, but the other places I've lived have all been smaller cities like Chattanooga, Columbia, SC, and Monterey, CA. I've spent a lot of time in Detroit, Orlando, and San Francisco but haven't lived in them for more than a month at a time.
May we have part 2 or could you make a video showing cities that are good for at home work in each state or section of the country like for the southeast, PNW and perhaps a max of five for each given area thank you.:)
I do plan on a video going over more conventional places to work from home where housing cost isn't the #1 concern. For this video, focusing on places losing population with cheap houses is going to mainly be rust belt-type places.
2:28 "newer construction"..... year built 1993. That's a 30 year old home and they need lots of work. Sincerely, the 3 year home owner of a 1995 build, whose put new plumbing, new fence, new roof, new water heater and new kitchen in their home.
Lots of info in this, Kyle, and I appreciate the effort to look beyond the stereotypes in Gary. But in recent videos, you have told us that Gary is bad, Gary is good; Buffalo is bad, Buffalo is good. Dayton is bad; Dayton is good. It underscores how RUclips channels can shift with the sands.
The criteria are different. I pointed out why Dayton showed up as both good and bad, and I don't think I've spoken negatively about Buffalo beyond saying it has some rough areas with high crime. With Gary, it's mostly pretty bad but I just wanted to point out that it's not all bad and people from Chicago may want to consider it.
Im from Northwest indiana Valpo specificlly, if you can grab a cheap place off the south shore train line from Chesterton to hegswich your in an idea place. its faster than driving, and much easier. Miller beach is a absolutely fantastic place, go to a railcats game while your downtown, plenty of beautiful architecture in the city buildings there.
I really want to be in the West while working from home! What are some of the best housing market areas in Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming or other states out there?
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Buffalo, according to the most recent Census data that just came out, actually showed an increase in population for the first time in quite a while - really great to see! The city itself has so much more to offer than it did even 15 years ago. Very young, energetic, creative vibe in some of the city neighborhoods. It still has its issues, but overall it’s a pretty interesting mid-size city.
As always enjoy your videos. Perhaps something that takes a look at the recent census data and what it implies would be interesting as a future video?
I was about to post this too. Buffalo is actually gaining population at least had since the last census. The city has a lot going for it.
Yeah, there has been a lot of new housing going in, mostly from empty factories and other abandoned buildings. It's growth, albeit slow growth. Go Bills!
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@@inceldestroyer1069 indeed. Cool to see.
Many bangladeshi- descendants moving from NY city to buffalo. I heard whole subset of community grow up.
Hey, I’m from Upstate New York and working from home and haven’t gone into work since covid. I live not too far away from Ithaca and the Finger Lakes region which is pretty beautiful. There are also no natural disasters if you live on a hill. The snow can get really heavy in the winter time but the summers are nice and also some really pretty fall colors here too. I love it here and I wouldn’t move anywhere else.
Yeah I went to live in Ithaca just during the pandemic for working from home. Absolutely awesome!
The only issue with Ithaca for remote work, particularly in the hills surrounding it, is the lousy internet and cell service. Summer is indeed gorgeous, but winters are dark and gloomy.
I came to Central New York for grad school and graduated a few years ago. I still haven't left. It is beautiful up here. Winters are what I call expert only, to steal a skiing term, but the fall colors more than make up for it.
@Erok .. Say “Skaneateles” three times fast. 😁
@@chasbodaniels1744 skinny Atlas, skinny Atlas, skinny Atlas.
A lot of these places offer really affordable houses, it's true. However working from home, and raising children, might change this ranking I feel. Things like public school funding, safety, cultural events and employment opportunities would be a factor.
Especially schools. If you have children you want a great school system. That is where many big cities fail.
Yes that factor is a killer for Gary.
The whole benefit of work from home is that I don’t have to worry about the local job market
@@myname3330 I meant the local job opportunities for my own kids when they hit the teenage years. I'd rather raise my kids somewhere they don't have to move away from.
@@Dave_the_Dave OooOo apologies, that didn’t occur to me. Umm, honestly I’m not sure how much weight you should give that. Keeping kids home pretty much anywhere is a crapshoot. School and job opportunities will send even the most advantaged kids away from a childhood in say…Boston. Best to prioritize your ability to raise a family in a way that makes them comfortable and happy while preparing them to be competitive adults. And of course someplace YOU feel comfortable living out your adulthood. After the kids leave the guppy pool it’s a crapshoot. They’d likely be incentivized to leave or stay by any number of reasons more strongly that the local job market. Especially considering that I’d expect the state of the job market in 10-15 years to be even more flexible than it is currently location wise.
I’m so happy to finally see Pittsburgh on one of these videos ❤️ I came here from the DC area for college a few years ago and decided to stay. Granted I’m not working from home, but when I look at all the pros and cons of here and any other city in America……. It ain’t worth moving. Every neighborhood feels like a different small town. People are authentically nice but brutally honest. Great nature inside and not far outside the city. Would take a hell of a place to convince me to leave.
Big League sports town too. If only the Pirates could assemble a decent team to play in that beauty of a stadium.
When I was in Costa Rica I met a group of people from Pittsburgh. They were so nice and down to earth! Pittsburgh is definitely one place I intend to visit.
I live in Harrisburg, PA in a historic row house. I find it to be a great place to live.
@@chasbodaniels1744 yup 2013-2015 went by very quickly
If you think people in Pittsburgh are nice, I advise visiting the south and the mid west. I grew up in Pittsburgh and people are not friendly at usually when they are they're trying to get something from you.
The biggest issue with Lake County CA is that the whole place is going to burn down at some point. Any given fire season could take it out. If you buy there, make sure there's no trees touching your home & go *crazy* with the fire prevention.
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Buffalo is amazing, one of my favorite cities in the US. Also worth mentioning you can take the SSL into Chicago from Gary too
Yes, I thought Buffalo really shined in this video about affordable places with upside. I would want nat gas for heat, since it gets cold.
You gotta work from home in Clearlake cuz once you leave someone will break in
I just took Amtrak two weeks ago from Sandusky (Cedar Point), back home in the Philly Suburbs. I had a layover in Pittsburgh because Sandusky is on the Capitol Limited (Chicago-DC) and my final destination on the Pennsylvanian-Paoli/Thorndale. They were doing upgrades to the station and passed through some cool bridges in and out of the Steel City. There were some pretty parts of Pennsylvania I hadn't seen before as I'm used to the PA Turnpike System (I-76, 276, 476. Although my mom drove me out to Sandusky on I-80). It was interesting seeing the Penn Central branding on the stations out in the western part of the state (I think even up to Lancaster). A lot of rail history is actually centered in Philadelphia and I find it interesting.
Pittsburgh is a beautiful city, almost too hilly for me
all good but wearing a freaking mask on the train is a no go zone for me
@Dave Hughes .. Sad that you’re such a snowflake about limiting the spread of a life-threatening virus.
Western PA is underrated in terms of natural beauty. I lived in Johnstown for 2 years.
PA is gorgeous. I think a lot of Central PA cities that have somewhat languished over the past 30 or 40 years are going to see growing populations and revitalizations as more people transition to WFH
About Lake County, clearlake isn't potable, and they advise against swimming in it, or eating anything out of it. Secondly, I'd advise against it because of high fire risk. I wouldn't condone buying housing in an area that burns down almost every year now - especially since the houses aren't dirt cheap anymore. Just my 2 cents.
The problem with working from home in Charleston WV, is the internet provider is awful. Suddenlink has a near monopoly on the internet in most of WV. and their service is terrible. The Public Service Commission has currently held two hearings on customer complaints and has given the company 60 days to submit a plan to correct all the problems. I am not optimistic since I am unsure of how much authority the PSC has to force them to correct their issues. Our only other options are a slow DSL provider or expensive satellite. My Daughter has struggled with this issue here since the pandemic began with trying to work from home.
I think you'll have T Mobile home internet there soon and it's a pretty good option if your normal internet providers suck.
I actually live in Dayton (grew up in Toledo) and fun fact: The house that’s $500,000 and literally looks like a mansion is a stone’s throw away from Martin Sheen’s old house. He had a residency a block or two away from the house featured. And also, most of the neighborhoods south and east of the river are actually pretty nice. There are some neighborhoods north of the river that are pretty like Vandalia, Englewood, and Huber though. And the proximity to Cincinnati, Columbus, and even Indianapolis makes it a really nice place to live. Also, the job market has been getting better.
The fire hazard in Clearlake would be a deterrent for me
Yup that and water shortages. Not sure I'd go for it, even at those prices, really unfortunate, typing this in NorCal
And tweakers
Emphasis on methed out tweakers
Another home run from the King. Can’t believe I missed this until now. Please make a part two!!
I feel like this should be split into 2 videos of these categories:
A. Best cost:safety ratio within a 2 hour drive from a major city. These would be for those who occasionally have to commute into work.
B. Best cost:safety ratio with access to high-speed internet. These would be places for those who can really work anywhere they want.
I was thinking the same: if you have access to reliable high speed internet, and there is little to no need for you to visit you operation’s headquarters, you can live almost anywhere. I’ve always lived in or near large cities - NYC, DC, and Chicago - and have had pretty solid and consistent access to broadband. Are those who live in more rural, remote areas seeing improvement in broadband access? I believe in some iterations of the mythical “infrastructure legislation”, there has been mention of a more robust expansion of the country’s broadband network. If that comes to bear, it could be a real game changer in terms of working-from-home/telecommuting. There’s not a corporation in America (particularly publicly traded ones) that isn’t looking to reduce its commercial real estate needs. Add to that the tax benefits associated with a home office, and the pieces are all in place.
It may come to pass that the legacy of COVID-19 is in the way people all over world conduct and structure their business operations. The benefits could be astonishing: more profitable companies, reduced carbon footprint, less congested cities, workers with more free time, etc.
No one ever mentions safety of the roads even though statistically speaking you have the same odds of dying via a firearm (including crime, accidents and suicide) as in a car crash! People seem more afraid of crime than heart disease even though 1/4 Americans die of heart disease, oftentimes suddenly.
@@goober7535 If you're living remotely then road safety isn't a concern. People *should* be more afraid of crime than heart disease, because with a few exceptions, heart disease is entirely the fault of the individual and could be easily controlled. There's not much you as an individual can do about crime, and one of the things that drives fear is a lack of control.
Also in PA -- Lehigh Valley: Allentown, Bethlehem, Easton. Much cheaper than NYC (1.5 hrs) or Philly (1 hr) with loads of great food, entertainment and outdoor activities. It gets better every year.
Lancaster is pretty nice, but it's also been growing quite a bit. I think the cat is out of the bag on that one. Bethlehem could have definitely been on this list though.
In regards to the viewer comment about always including California in these videos, it is ok to ask questions or make good contributions or comments about these videos, but what is not ok is to ask or comment rudely and - perhaps worse yet - with no objective, valuable contribution to these professional videos.
Kyle, thanks for the great data “indexing” approach you implement and apply to create these educational videos.
Seeing the prices for the houses you showed goes to show the massive difference in housing markets across the country. The housing market here in Minneapolis is quite inflated and, seeing some of those prices in other cities, you can get quite a bang for your buck.
Minneapolis and the surrounding suburbs are inflated!
What a great, and flat out refreshing channel. Nothing like most of what you encounter on youtube. Kudos for listing places most people wouldn't necessarily consider, such as Gary and Buffalo.
NW Indiana native here. The chances of US Steel leaving Gary are near zero. They are subsidized by the federal government, and are crucial to American manufacturing in the area. I could go deeper into why, but it would be ten pages long. In short, they’re part of a chain of steel refining stretching from iron ore mining in Minnesota to building the finished product in Chicago (such as Humvees and APC’s).
If anything, if the steel mill goes away, crime will get worse. That’s the reason crime in Detroit is so bad.
Also, if you’re going to commute to anywhere, for the love of God, don’t commute to Chicago. 55 people have died this year from gangbangers taking pot shots at random people driving on the highway south of the city….in broad daylight.
Nice album selection Weird Al in 3D is awesome. I have that LP in my collection as well.
Kyle, a major factor you overlooked is airline connections. Most distance workers need to return to their Corporate HQ periodically but many smaller, desirable cities lack good airline connections. Some only offer EAS (Essential Air Service) connections, which are minimal. That's one reason why places like Bozeman MT are booming. Little 50,000 pop. Bozeman has 9 regional and national airlines with flights running from 6 a.m. to 2 a.m. the next day.
The thing you say about Dayton’s amenities reminds me of Waco Texas in that it feels way smaller than it’s actual population
Morgantown WV is a good work from home location. Housing is a little higher than Charleston WV, but prices are starting to soften. Great college town with a ton of stuff to do and good dining, and only a little over an hour from Pittsburgh. 😊
Shhhhhh. Let's keep it that way lol
@@gondolagripes1674 Yep! LOL
It is also a good place to get into shape by running away from the roving packs of wolves and rabid bears.
Go WVU Mountaineers!
@@Zed1776 Not gonna lie. I have see a black bear cub on the Mon Rail-Trail once. I gotta right outa there that day.
Love that buffalo was the first mentioned. I fucking love buffalo.
Me too. I wouldn't move away even if you gave me a house for free anywhere else.
My father's family home in Gary was sold last month for $4500. The house has long since left our family when my grandfather died in 1987, and the house has only lost value since then. It doesn't help that the house was also a murder scene not so long ago with the victim buried in the backyard.
I love that you picked Gary.
The Eastern Shore of Maryland/Virginia is pretty good for WFH. Some areas like Pocomoke City or Cambridge are quite cheap (even cheaper than Dover) yet also close to Ocean City, Hampton Roads, DC, Baltimore and Philly.
I dunno. Maryland Gov Schaefer called the Eastern Shore the “sh!thouse side” of Maryland.
Theyre cheap because there isnt shit out there and theyre small. Its not that close to Hampton roads or DC either. 2-3 hrs minimum.
Maryland area sucks I lived there for 17 years
The very first photo of Gary is actually Hammond, Indiana, on Hohman Ave. 5 miles away.
716 baby! Buffalo is a great town!
Kettering OH outside of Dayton is great but home prices have gone way up there the past year
Like the choice of background pics when you mentioned Gary Indiana, definitely a good basis for a caption competition
Props to you, Kyle, for Weird Al’s 3D album!
I was trying to figure out the significance here.
Woohoo! Delaware (my home state) is a good place to raise your kids. I wouldn’t live in downtown Dover, but, areas like Milford, or any suburb outside Dover is pretty cool, more to do than you’d expect, decent schools, and we loveeeeee our sports! Great video per usual =)
Good video. Most of these cities have good bones: big parks, neighborhood schools, walkability so once you remove the industrial air pollution and clean up the environmental mess left by industries they are nice places. But the politicians have to man up on cleaning up the environmental mess though.
If you can work from home, your job is unimportant and you can be eliminated without hurting society.
Clear Lake is considered an active volcanic area by the USGS. The most recent eruption was about 10,000 years ago.
Kyle I'm literally moving from Dayton to Buffalo in under a month. Don't reveal my master plans to everyone else and drive up property prices in my area lmao.
Welcome, from a native. I hope you enjoy life here.
Dayton does have some really nice suburbs
Love your videos, would love to see a video about Northern California. Maybe explore Indigenous maps and the the territories of the Tribes in the area, you may find some things interesting.
The Ex grew up in Hamburg, just south of Buffalo. Like all of upstate NY has beautiful summers. The way to swing it would be to live there May-October.
Yep. Then live somewhere nice, underrated, & not so crowded in South FL from November-April.
Hey there, stumbled upon your channel. Good stuff! Appreciate all your work & sharing of info.
Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
Geography King, Tulsa? Oklahoma City? Albuquerque? All are relatively cheap with low taxes. I’m surprised you didn’t mention them!!
I was going for places that no one really thinks about, specifically ones currently losing population. Oklahoma's population is growing pretty good and I think OKC is definitely on the radar for a lot of people. But yes, all three of those are relatively inexpensive as well, and I could certainly recommend all three.
I only spent a few hours in Albuquerque but didn't like it. LIked Sandia peak but way too dry and otherwise looked depressed and run down.
I can't explain it, but whenever I go to Delaware, it just seems weird.
But in a sorta interesting, kinda attractive way...... 👍🏼😎✌🏼
One time on a road trip I peed in an empty gravel lot in the middle of delaware, that's the only notable thing I did there
In northern delaware it seems like the midwest popped in to say hello
Two different Delawares. The one above the C&D canal and the one below it.
One great thing about Delaware is good roads. Most of the state is pretty empty and quiet, once you leave Wilmington.
I’m glad to hear Gary. The only thing that can stop the 50 years of bleeding is people taking a chance on it. The South Shore Line stop also helps build on Gary’s potential.
Every time I go through Gary I still see some pretty bad shit. It’s a shame what the place has come to
Gary is a pretty scary place to be in. Just driving through made me uneasy.
@@PeakBagger999 when a city looses that much population and that many homes become abandoned, it’s hard for it to look nice. Especially since lost residents means list tax base. The neighborhood around Michael Jackson’s childhood home could use a lot of investment in terms of leveling properties and manicuring subsequent green space. In turning around a city in Gary’s condition visual progress is always going to be slow to see.
Clearlake is a terrible place. Was there in March 2020 and a buddy got mugged in a parking lot after a couple guys followed him back from the bar. Later, the hotel clerk told us that the bar is known as "Mexicans only" and don't take kindly to other people.
Hi, Kyle - Dayton does have less expensive housing overall but when you search for properties on Zillow, you're actually receiving listings that are not within the city limits, but neighboring communities that can use a Dayton postal ZIP code. That's why you found that $500,000 house. It's actually in Washington Township, Ohio, far from the city limits.
Never expected you to mention my hometown of Kelseyville!
Buffalo is actually increasing in population based on the newly released census data! Exciting times are ahead!
Nice video. I’d love to see a video like this where you list some good places to buy and rent out part of the house all of the year or all of the house some of the year. The places you listed probably are good for if someone who doesn’t intend to rent the property to anyone else anytime soon.
You're right about Gary and its reputation. The name Gary still has an extremely negative connotation and the nice part of Gary you're talking about is called Miller, which nobody in the area calls Gary but you're right it is the city of Gary. The city overall has a long long ways to come but it is certainly better than it was 20 years ago. The area has one of the greatest assets too, The South shore rail line, the last interurban remaining in the United States And they are looking to take the single track and make it double all the way to Michigan City because the demand is so great. It has three stops in Gary: Grant Avenue to the West, Metro center downtown, and the Miller stop. So yes and most parts of Miller you can walk to a train and take it right into Chicago's Millennium Park station.
First off - love the video premise.
As someone in the tech industry who has opened our recruiting up to full time remote nationwide these are the places I see people moving to:
1. Central Florida (Orlando, Tampa, Daytona)
2. Southern Texas (Austin, San Antonio)
3. Southwest (Pheonix, Tucson, and Albuquerque)
4. Southern California (Los Angeles, San Diego)
5. Philadelphia
Purely anecdotal and might be specific to the software industry but those are the places that come up time and time again when I talk to people.
Yeah, Central Florida is growing like crazy right now. Housing prices are reflecting that too.
New subscriber - Pittsburgh is where I am going to visit as a tourist next week. Why? Because they have great public transit that is growing. Gary is served by one of the few electric railways around Chicago land. Buffalo as well, is flat and well served by public transit. Dayton too. Freedom from car ownership saves a bloke from 3 to 7 thousand per year. I hope you can mention such things in future videos. People don't realize how close we are to energy supply problems. Being stranded in some place with crap or non-existent transit will be a death sentence for many people too old or scared to ride an e-bike to haul groceries. Fracking is winding down, as will the special privilege of the US dollar. You see how bungled and distorted the response to covid is? A walk in the park compared to an energy crunch. The military, schools, trucking, will all get theirs. The consumer will be the first to get cut off, both by price and government fiat.
This is a pretty good list. Now I just need a reliable job that I can do from home lol.
Lancaster, York, and Carlisle PA are great small cities with a pretty reasonable cost of living. Theres a great small business culture and local arts scene with a lot of theaters, museums, historic architecture everywhere, and great hiking nearby. Plus its close ish to DC, Baltimore, and Philly.
Also Pittsburgh slightly gained population as of the 2020 census. Much of the rust belt had population loss overestimated
Three great towns, but PA has too many goofy tax schemes, sorry. 🤷🏻♂️✌🏼
@@gus473 Do you mean local taxes being separate from state tax? They're always pretty straightforward. PA taxes are pretty middle of the road, especially compared to most Northeastern states.
But if you're used to lower tax rates I cant blame you at all
This a very interesting subject and delivery. Thank you.
Request: "Hipster Sniff" cities and "Post-Hipster Sniff" cities, as per your comment about Gary. I would really be interested to know the places hipsters are sniffing around now, and the places they are leaving. Canaries in a coal mine and all that.
Great video Kyle except I think some of the cities you said were shrinking like Pittsburgh did post growth according to the census
Thank you. I should have mentioned that Pittsburgh is currently losing population but has gained since the 2010 census.
Great video topic! I'd love to see more videos about urban design and livability in different cities across the US.
I've got a series of videos coming up about the specifics of urban structure for individual cities. The first one should be up in a couple of weeks-ish.
@@GeographyKing That's amazing, thanks!
@Geography King You should do a trip to like 10 fastest-growing micropolitan areas (or smaller cities) and see which one you like best
@@GeographyKing please study and talk with locals about the history of Brooklyn New York. There are 2.6 million people that live in this part/borough of NYC. I live a few hundred yards from the Brooklyn bridge, on the other side of the bridge landing are DUMBO, and vinegar hill. It is a story of the most expensive neighborhood in NYC next to a huge multi tower public housing complex/area. It’s the sort of place where liberal ideals meet genuine poverty, racial disparities, and everyone’s best wishes for their kids. Segregation in NYC is stark and visible, just walking down the street
You are my favorite RUclipsr, and I have a ton of subs. Much love from Deerfield MA!
What about Kenosha, Wisconsin? Kind of similar to Gary in that it is a doable albeit long commute to Chicago but is nicer and reasonably close to Milwaukee too. Also housing prices are below the US average.
Milwaukee area or anywhere in between MKE and Chicago is great for working from home. Pretty close to a mega city of chicago and it has a declining population so housing prices are lower. MKE is a great big city to live near as well, with the media giving it a much worse rap than how it actually is. MKE is also a city I feel will be on the rise soon, with the new Hop downtown, the Bucks winning the championship, giving the city new life, and lots of new developments starting to give it a renewed feel.
Yeah I was gona say Kenosha is a great place to work from home. You can get on the metra to go to Chicago or drive to Milwaukee (you could drive to Chicago too).
Love your videos: how about vacation destinations in the US that isn’t touristy
I wish i had seem this video bf moving. Great content as always!
Most of these cities are in northern (i.e., colder climates). Lake County, CA isn’t, but I’d be curious what warmer areas you’d suggest. Overall, good suggestions and I like how you explain the rationale as a geographer.
For this video I was looking at places with declining population where you can get a nice house for cheap. Almost all of the sun belt is gaining population and there aren't many cheap places left except for maybe Mississippi and Louisiana. But for a little more expensive I think Tucson, AZ is a good place. Oklahoma City is pretty nice and underrated. A southern version of Buffalo would be Memphis, also underrated. Huntsville, AL is pretty cool too.
Great Video! I think I would like to hear about internet speeds/data caps factored into a video like this though! That one detail makes a significate decision when moving to some of these places. Not every part of the country has reliable internet speeds nor do they have unlimited data transfer. Great video otherwise!
Yeah that's a big reason why I don't think rural America is going to be big for working from home. I also doubt small towns are going to update their internet speeds to attract WFH city slickers.
@@GeographyKing Wonder what impact Starlink will have if it really gets going
Love your channel!
Woah Buffalo, NY native here. Love the post. Very accurate overall but Buffalo and Erie County’s census actually grew this decade, not down.
Relocating to northern VT as we speak. America's hometown is just too damn expensive (greedy). My wife is fully remote and we're shocked at the connectivity in VT. Leaps and bounds above the rest of New England and NY.
@@runswithraptors gtfoh with that lmao. Ny..oof.
Just playing around.. no the start of it all..Definitely some rock.
Okmulgee, OK
a friend put me on to it a few years back... once had a higher millionaire/sqmi ratio than Manhattan, so loads of incredible 1925-1940 homes that are now $20-140k. even saw a 7k sqft 2ac mansion in downtown go for $400k. 35min to Tulsa, fibre internet, moderate weather, rarely sees ef2+ tornadoes due to surrounding hills, cheap food & fuel & labor & materials, low traffic. SOME really nice welcoming folks ... but, we didn't move there due to repeated hostile/threatening looks/comments from the types who display multiple 10ft political flags & signs in their yards. if you can blend-in with em, you'll be fine - as a mixed couple, we can't.
You were wise to avoid Okmulgee and their evil-twin rival, Muskogee. Back in the 1980s, a relative of mine lived in Okmulgee for several years, because she had a thing for guys who couldn't rub two nickels together.
Even if you could blend in, having to pretend to agree with views you oppose, is a terrible way to live. Some parts of the country are more respectful of political and lifestyle differences than others. There's no need to reside, work, and spend your money in an area where you are hated by a large majority of the other residents.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Knoxville, TN or Philadelphia! they're surprisingly affordable and safe
I love Philly. Such an underrated city
I agree with you on Clear Lake being a great place to live in to work from home, I would love it except one word - Fires
Interesting to hear that there are hints of gentrification happening in Gary. One downside may be the air pollution. I'm not sure if it's bad everywhere in the city, but the worst parts, near the steel mills/refineries, are chokingly bad. Regarding the commute to Chicago, there is the South Shore train. It takes an hour, but at least you can get something done while traveling and I wouldn't be surprised if it's faster than driving when the weather is bad.
All that said, I suspect that almost any other city in Lake County would be a better bet, in terms of both physical safety and investment risk, while still being pretty cheap relative to Chicago.
Yep, that enclave he pointed out is downwind from not only the steel/oil smells, but also the fermenting corn in Hammond.
Investing a lot of money to renovate a home in a decrepit city is a textbook example of “overbuilding.” Don’t expect to get that money back on resale.
I grew up in a town right next to Gary Indiana and i keep waiting for Gary to turn the corner. There is also a train line called the South Shore line that runs through Gary that will get you to Chicago with ease. I agree that Gary will turn around the location is too good.
*insert Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at TV meme* I was not expecting for Dover, my hometown, to be mentioned in this video lol. It's also worth noting that New Castle County towns and cities are noticeably (but not by a ton) more expensive than Dover but offer a bit more to do and are much closer to the cities. 1.5ish hours to DC and Baltimore. 35-50 minutes to Philly. 2.5ish hours to New York. Only thing further is the DE beaches but it's also much closer to the Jersey shore at about 1.5 hours.
In Detroit you can get a nice fixer-upper in a quiet neighborhood for only $1.
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Can't have shi in Detroit
I lived in a suburb of Dayton for 7 years and I could count on one hand how few times I went downtown. Like you said there's nothing downtown that you can't get anywhere else around you in a safer area with more convenient parking. I think the Oregon District is helping revitalize it slightly.
100 year old homes in freezing cold areas...I can feel the drafts from here.
I'll stick with Houston.
Why would you recommend Charleston, WV over Huntington? They’re both the same size but the latter is a larger metro and also has Ashland, KY. Huntington and Ashland have beautiful old theatres, great neighborhoods, and wonderful city parks, none of which Charleston has. Huntington also has Marshall University giving it a major college with teams and the arts that Charleston lacks. The suburbs of Huntington are all nice and charming and don’t have that chemical plant wasteland feel that surrounds Charleston. The next time you’re up that way, you need to divert into Huntington and see the huge contrast between it and the capital city. Also, Huntington is an hour closer to Lexington, Cincinnati and Columbus.
Would you later consider doing a geographic profile on a Canadian province?
I do plan on doing more Canadian content but I really need to see more of the provinces before doing and entire video on a single province. But I do have a cross-Canada road trip planned for the spring. I know that's not very soon, but I may have something up my sleeve regarding somewhere specific in Canada coming soon.
Interesting video! What strikes me as interesting in the US, as a non-American, is that the low cost housing doesn't coincide with areas suffering from low birthrates (TFR.) Like in a few New England states the birthrate is less than 1.5 yet they remain unaffordable?
wait until the boomers head into mass retirement.
I believe the main reason why housing cost keeps increasing is so many people from rural areas moving into urban areas. Something like half of all counties in the US lost population from 2010 to 2020, nearly all of them rural. This is due to young people in rural areas moving to cities for jobs. So despite the declining birthrate, population is still increasing in urban areas due to immigration.
Rich immigrants.
My hubby and I are looking to move to Gatlinburg in the next few years to remote work!
Great video on low key locations, I am taking a road trip on I-40 to North Carolina in January. Since I know you’ve done that route do you have any recommendations on spots to eat, historical stuff, etc? Feel free to let me know!
As a decade long veteran remote worker, I am happy that one of the few good things of the covid-era is that remote work is way more plentiful now. For me, that meant I didn't feel like I had to linger near Seattle any longer just in case I needed to find a job in my industry and get stuck going into an office. I have zero interest in any place east of Denver, so I looked most seriously at Tucson, Santa Fe and Albuquerque. SF is beautiful but pricey. ABQ just doesn't have a "home" vibe for me, so Tucson ended up being my landing spot. And apparently I wasn't the only person from the PNW who ended up here this year. There's lots to love about the Seattle area, but those rainy winters got to me.
Fascinating video! In Colorado, a great work from home town would be Meeker - they have incredible high speed internet installed there specifically to attract WFH folks, and (for Colorado, anyway), the home prices are reasonable. I love Geo King - he's nerdy and earnest, full of cool info, and exactly the kind of guy I like learning US geography from.
Meeker? Zillow says it has very few homes for sale and what is does have isn't even close to cheap. $250k for a cabin under 900 sq foot? $225k for a run down 1500sq ft split-level? I live near Austin TX and paid $225k for my 2000+ sq ft home just 5 years ago.
@@williammueller6639 That's why I qualified my statement with 'for Colorado, anyway' - for the Colorado Rockies, especially that close to the Flat Tops Wildnerness, that's quite cheap! I'm sure your home in Texas is lovely.
@@amandaarmstrong3606 I used to live in Falcon and Colorado Springs back in the early 2000s. I thought Colorado would have been cheaper than Texas, especially that far out from a major city. I guess not.
Meeker? Really? I sometimes drove through there (grew up in the North Park area) and thought that although it wasn't the middle of nowhere, nowhere wasn't far away (we all know Rangely is truly nowhere).
Love the emphasis on how affordable housing is in some of these places!! I mean, a lot of these homes’ total cost is what you’d need for just your down payment in the South! It’s crazy how people KEEP moving South, with all the traffic, housing scarcity and overpriced areas, it’s crazy guys.
I really love your channel… I’m a native New Mexican who’s lived in NYC for the past 16 years. I went to college in Michigan and drove my little Toyota pickup back and forth every semester. Just curious, have you ever been a renter? I fly fish, surf, hike, and rock climb for fun. I’m an ICU doctor who now drives a smart car for parking reasons. I have little ambition for paying a mortgage. I can’t afford to buy a small apartment anyways, so… just curious? Ever lived in a truly urban place, like NYC, Boston, Chicago, or New Orleans?
Thank you. I rented apartments and houses from ages 19-30. I lived in Los Angeles while in college, but the other places I've lived have all been smaller cities like Chattanooga, Columbia, SC, and Monterey, CA. I've spent a lot of time in Detroit, Orlando, and San Francisco but haven't lived in them for more than a month at a time.
May we have part 2 or could you make a video showing cities that are good for at home work in each state or section of the country like for the southeast, PNW and perhaps a max of five for each given area thank you.:)
I do plan on a video going over more conventional places to work from home where housing cost isn't the #1 concern. For this video, focusing on places losing population with cheap houses is going to mainly be rust belt-type places.
2:28 "newer construction"..... year built 1993. That's a 30 year old home and they need lots of work.
Sincerely, the 3 year home owner of a 1995 build, whose put new plumbing, new fence, new roof, new water heater and new kitchen in their home.
Not "new" but 'newer" as opposed to homes from mid 20th century, which tend to be the ones that are cheapest in most metros.
I already liked your channel. I like it more now.
Rural counties like Mason, Grays Harbor, Lewis, Pacific, and Cowlitz can serve as remote workers’ residences for Portland and Seattle.
Didn’t know that about Dover. I guess that explains Division St.
Lots of info in this, Kyle, and I appreciate the effort to look beyond the stereotypes in Gary. But in recent videos, you have told us that Gary is bad, Gary is good; Buffalo is bad, Buffalo is good. Dayton is bad; Dayton is good. It underscores how RUclips channels can shift with the sands.
The criteria are different. I pointed out why Dayton showed up as both good and bad, and I don't think I've spoken negatively about Buffalo beyond saying it has some rough areas with high crime. With Gary, it's mostly pretty bad but I just wanted to point out that it's not all bad and people from Chicago may want to consider it.
Very interesting video Kyle!
Another quality video, thanks G King
Hmm... seems to me speed & reliability of accessible internet service would be a bit more important than housing costs for working from home...
The IU medical campus in Gary is nice!
Im from Northwest indiana Valpo specificlly, if you can grab a cheap place off the south shore train line from Chesterton to hegswich your in an idea place. its faster than driving, and much easier. Miller beach is a absolutely fantastic place, go to a railcats game while your downtown, plenty of beautiful architecture in the city buildings there.
A cool video idea! Thanks!
I really want to be in the West while working from home! What are some of the best housing market areas in Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming or other states out there?