Side note for those who didn't know (I'm the C. Falcon player), Wii Fit's custom move is also vulnerable on the head too. She is able to be spiked from the head in some situations, though it is difficult.
@@natefroggy3626 According to Google dictionary, it is "a confused fight, skirmish, or scuffle" I, however, was referring to Super Smash Bros: Melee, where most competitive fights are between fox, bird fox, and marth, Shiek, Captain falcon, and puff being honorable mentions.
K-leb Hope Nintendo make Rosa great again. Also she needs to be in more main series games cause all she's been in is galaxy. Not even in odyssey (she was planned to be in as a musician but never made it in). Still, let's hope where she is, she's at least good :v
@@potato1341 I would've _loved_ for her casual musician appearance to be in Super Mario Odyssey. But besides that, I don't think it's necessary for her to be in more games. People are already complaining that she's in too many games, diluting the mystery of her character. Granted most of them are spin-offs.
K-leb yeah but we can't really say there's much significance in being in smash bros or mario kart anymore. Would be cool if she was in more mainstream mario games as a secondary protagonist like in galaxy. Maybe Galaxy 3 one day? Who knows but I say it'd be a shame to reduce her character to the party games from now on.
Shulk's power vison is quite insane. I got a Shulk to +200 attack, Power Vision, and Hyper Monado Buster to counter a normal fighter with a hammer. It did 137%.
Hamburgerparadise I actually made this Vine 2 months ago just to see how much damage it could do with a pair of 200 attack characters: vine.co/v/OVZ3OzQqqZu
I was playing against my friends with customs today, and I had a custom shulk with power vision, he had a link with power bow. I countered it with him on the edge. I jelled him in one hit at 0%
Glad to see a video about how to counter instead of people just claiming these moves are broken with no research or effort to learn. Every move has a downside
Good stuff. This makes me wish custom moves on/custom equipment off was an option, and the default in FG. Also, another thing about Shulk's counter - moves that carry you a decent horizontal distance and move through opponents seem to have a good chance of just completely avoiding his counter, depending on when you start it. Could've just been a fluke, but I've avoided counters with Ganon's dash attack, when starting it close to Shulk. There is still a chance the counter will hit on the backswing.
tacticalf41L depends which version of regular counter you use with shulk (there are two variations). The lesser known version (forward counter) is performed by holding forward on the control stick when it's triggered. It can only be performed on the ground, is faster, and has a smaller hitbox, meaning that situationally the regular version of the counter could be better.
Buff Wizard's Dropkick further, damn it. Allow B-Reversing. Let's go hogwild and make Ganondorf close Brawl Meta Knight or Melee Star Fox-tier. Ganon deserves to be able to curbstomp Sheik and Rosalina after what Sakurai did to him in Brawl. And Ganon, at least in OoT, can float in the air indefinitely for fuck sake. Give him better recovery.
Wii Fit Trainer has 3 CAPITAL letters. 3 Her part starts at 4:00 4-x=3 x=1 Link has 1 bow. A bow has a string. The masterhand also has strings attached to it. Hand. Do you know what else has a hand? That's right, Crazyhand. Crazyhand is white. White. Greninja is not white The prefix of Greninja has 3 letters. Bug also has 3 letters. 3+3=6 Bugfix has 6 letters. We now have evidence that Sakurai will bugfix Greninja in the next patch, as the tilt moves are dealing damage, which is not intended. But wait, there's more. Greninja can(yet) upB into 2 different directions. Along with the horizontal stage it can form a triangle. Add 1 line and it becomes a rectangle. M2K also got rektangled by Zero at Apex. M2K has 3 letters, just like WFT. Remove the 2 from M2K and you get MK. WFT=MK confirmed.
Airborne Assault is a great move, but it’s one of those moves where you go prone after use (you can’t do anything until you land), so if you fall off an edge using that move, you’re dead. I’m glad they changed that in Smash Ultimate.
Thank you for using mine and Moa's Metroid Prime 2 Multiplayer-track for your video and giving us credit! :) Much appreciated! Oh! Nice video by the way! :)
Great video and analysts! I agree with you on most of these. The only one I wouldn't put in top 10 is Diddy's Rocketbarrel attack. Although it is incredibly strong and comes out fast, Diddy's recovery is already not that great, and not having much horizontal movement means he can be gimped easier. Maybe there Isn't a better custom move to take It's place, but at best I think that move should be number ten.
SupermarioSteel No I'm not. Diddy can be gimped pretty easily is he is far out enough that he needs to charge it a good amount. The fact that he needs to charge it to goo a good distance is what makes it not that great. If he is too low he will die from dropping before he can charge it enough to make it back. If he's too far out and the opponent is a character that can go far out, all they need to do is attack him, and he's done. I'm not saying It's necessarily a terrible recovery, but It's not a good one either.
Twisting fox : has more or less as much range as his default up but if ledges trumped without invincibility it stage spikes , it kills early at the upper blast zone and kills on the ground at around 60-70%
I would consider luma warp one of the worst because regular luma shot allows you to choose where to put luma where luma warp has one position. This means luma shot allows for more follow ups and combos with luma.
I think charizards rock hurl and fireball cannon are great customs. Fireball cannon is probably the best gimp move in the game and rock hurl has good damage output while sending the opponent upwards at an angle, allowing an easy nair at low percents and a brutal uair at higher percents.
Bruh how did fox short hop charged laser not on this list? It’s one of if not the best projectile in the game! It can be used in neutral to for or stuff approaches, covers landings, decent “get off me” move, it can be used for edge guarding from ledge, comes out quick is short hoped but can be done on the ground a a mix up, it sends opponent at a good angle and can be followed off of with the right percent, it can also kill around 180%. Combine that fox is a fast faller with a great run speed makes this one of the best camping tools in the game.
Charity Hardin You must know this, but Miis and Palutena's customs are unlocked at the start by default. The rest have to be unlocked by doing things like playing Classic mode, filling out the pannel, and playing Trophy Rush, or Crazy Orders. You should be gradually rewarded them, however it's hard to get them all, seeing as you do get duplicates. DLC characters are the only ones not to have custom moves (Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy, Ryu, Cloud, Corrin and Bayonetta).
Links power bow is amazingly op I’m surprised it didnt make the list, it has amazing kill power and whenever I use it I can kill everyone, but it’s a projectile which means it can be reflected/stopped by other projectiles
+mega animations Holy shit... I can only imagine the amount of pain someone would feel when they get hit by that. Someone should test this and see how much damage it would do.
That down B should be Ganondorf's actual default down B.
thats not a custom move, it's a default move
+Carlos Smith no its not
+Carlos Smith Are you stupid?
Carlos Smith No it isn't. It kind of looks like it, but it functions completely differently.
@@carlossmith6078 do you are have stupid
"I won't be including the Mii's custom's, they really deserve their own video."
-When it comes out-
#1 Helicopter Kick
I just know it.
AwesomeWez
The grenade is so broken though...
LuciusTheTrap grenade is easily the worst mii custom.
@@aclonymous what about the bomb drop?
Or explosive kick
-pk fire- flame pillar
Side note for those who didn't know (I'm the C. Falcon player), Wii Fit's custom move is also vulnerable on the head too. She is able to be spiked from the head in some situations, though it is difficult.
Nice raptor boost spike!
were you in a with friends match with him?
+DarkDemon Gaming (DarkDemonGaming) No I actually live with him, along with a couple others in the video.
+Brandon Messer can I add your nnid so we can play sometime?
+Brandon Messer also if you get hit below the stage you're screwed
If custom movesets were actually legal that would make extremely interesting match-ups
it only would have made about 5 characters viable though
@@natefroggy3626 Its melee all over again ;p
@@GamerGuy249 what is melee
No fun allowed
@@natefroggy3626 According to Google dictionary, it is "a confused fight, skirmish, or scuffle"
I, however, was referring to Super Smash Bros: Melee, where most competitive fights are between fox, bird fox, and marth, Shiek, Captain falcon, and puff being honorable mentions.
Oh god, Rosalina's custom makes her even more broken.
Darugo Sueño she could do with them now in ultimate though lol. She needs everything she could get.
@@potato1341 Too true. At least desyncs are making her interesting.
K-leb Hope Nintendo make Rosa great again. Also she needs to be in more main series games cause all she's been in is galaxy. Not even in odyssey (she was planned to be in as a musician but never made it in). Still, let's hope where she is, she's at least good :v
@@potato1341 I would've _loved_ for her casual musician appearance to be in Super Mario Odyssey. But besides that, I don't think it's necessary for her to be in more games. People are already complaining that she's in too many games, diluting the mystery of her character. Granted most of them are spin-offs.
K-leb yeah but we can't really say there's much significance in being in smash bros or mario kart anymore. Would be cool if she was in more mainstream mario games as a secondary protagonist like in galaxy. Maybe Galaxy 3 one day? Who knows but I say it'd be a shame to reduce her character to the party games from now on.
Nowadays nobody remembers these
Let alone the game itself
ok nigga
I really liked custom moves, even just for the variety they brought. Too bad they were obnoxious to obtain and dlcs didn't have them.
Crypt He is talking about Smash 4
Honestly these custom moves are so cool and I would like them to return in Smash 6.
@@ElCampeador99 r/woooosh
Who here can’t believe that smash 4 is 5 years old
The legend of the Gamer IT’S WHAT NOW?!? 🤯
Seeing Smash Ultimate...
I can easily believe it.
Hey your the guy from fs smash’s server
@@flame6983 hey I remember you
7 years now
I kind of wish this returned in Ultimate, it’s a sick concept.
I mean spirits kinda fit that role
They broke the game...
I know!!!!
Excellent work on this!
***** Thanks, I enjoyed your video on Lucas being better in smash 4.
LOL
Gabe Simmons nic3 m3m3
***** 64 LIKES...!
Stfu
Shulk's power vison is quite insane. I got a Shulk to +200 attack, Power Vision, and Hyper Monado Buster to counter a normal fighter with a hammer. It did 137%.
Hamburgerparadise I actually made this Vine 2 months ago just to see how much damage it could do with a pair of 200 attack characters: vine.co/v/OVZ3OzQqqZu
Hamburgerparadise THIS IS THE MONADO POWER!
just wait till you put it onto your shulk amiibo (if you have one)
Now do it in Mega Smash after a lightning backfire.
Hamburgerparadise
Hero: Pathetic
rly good
Diddy's Jetpack looks dumb as hell, I love it
I was playing against my friends with customs today, and I had a custom shulk with power vision, he had a link with power bow. I countered it with him on the edge. I jelled him in one hit at 0%
*killed
Damn.
James Sherin howd that work out
*snaps fingers*
@@jpcreeper13 edit comment . Mp4
Fairly certain Kong Cyclone is gonna be #1. That s*** is beyond hilariously broken.
randallsage2 No where near as Fox McCloud's Twister Fox moveset, that move will kill you early in 60%.
Compact counter is better than witch time
The prophet
:0
Where is Spinphony?
Please tell me this was a joke.
It was.
Spinphony is his worst custom move.
Crystal Desmond It was a joke...
Crystal Desmond
1: her*
2: r/woooosh
Glad to see a video about how to counter instead of people just claiming these moves are broken with no research or effort to learn. Every move has a downside
Guess we better nerf greninja
Even though Greninja doesn't really have good customs...
+sonnytapman Shifting shuriken is really good
Stfu
Done
CringeyCentral lol
Good stuff. This makes me wish custom moves on/custom equipment off was an option, and the default in FG.
Also, another thing about Shulk's counter - moves that carry you a decent horizontal distance and move through opponents seem to have a good chance of just completely avoiding his counter, depending on when you start it. Could've just been a fluke, but I've avoided counters with Ganon's dash attack, when starting it close to Shulk. There is still a chance the counter will hit on the backswing.
tacticalf41L That's true, and also the case with his regular counter.
tacticalf41L depends which version of regular counter you use with shulk (there are two variations). The lesser known version (forward counter) is performed by holding forward on the control stick when it's triggered. It can only be performed on the ground, is faster, and has a smaller hitbox, meaning that situationally the regular version of the counter could be better.
tacticalf41L It even ignores sheild.
Scieric the Smash guy All of Shulk's down B variations do that.
I know, but being the most powerful, it gets the most benefit from shield ignorance.
3:57 "Metaknight is everything, he's all you ever wanted"
Meta knight was having some fun there 2:25
LMAO
Buff Wizard's Dropkick further, damn it. Allow B-Reversing. Let's go hogwild and make Ganondorf close Brawl Meta Knight or Melee Star Fox-tier.
Ganon deserves to be able to curbstomp Sheik and Rosalina after what Sakurai did to him in Brawl. And Ganon, at least in OoT, can float in the air indefinitely for fuck sake. Give him better recovery.
Let's just have a Ganondorf that's like *literally any actual Ganondorf in any Zelda game, ever*
@@halt1931 are you happy now
You're probably gonna love Mage Ganondorf in Super Smash Bros. Legacy XP.
Customs had *_soooo much fucking potential_*
I wish we had customs in ultimate. Ultimate is my favorite smash but sm4sh’s custom moves were incredible
Wii Fit Trainer has 3 CAPITAL letters.
3
Her part starts at 4:00
4-x=3
x=1
Link has 1 bow.
A bow has a string.
The masterhand also has strings attached to it.
Hand.
Do you know what else has a hand?
That's right, Crazyhand.
Crazyhand is white.
White.
Greninja is not white
The prefix of Greninja has 3 letters.
Bug also has 3 letters.
3+3=6
Bugfix has 6 letters.
We now have evidence that Sakurai will bugfix Greninja in the next patch, as the tilt moves are dealing damage, which is not intended.
But wait, there's more.
Greninja can(yet) upB into 2 different directions. Along with the horizontal stage it can form a triangle.
Add 1 line and it becomes a rectangle.
M2K also got rektangled by Zero at Apex.
M2K has 3 letters, just like WFT.
Remove the 2 from M2K and you get MK.
WFT=MK confirmed.
FluffehCloud Slow claps, sloooooow claps
Who's MK?
FluffehCloud Well technically in game Wii Fit Trainer has Trainer in all caps (Wii Fit TRAINER)
SS MB meta knight
Greninja is not white
Watching this in 2020, violently throwing up
lol
The only reason customs weren’t better is because they were so hard to get. Especially all of them...
Airborne Assault is a great move, but it’s one of those moves where you go prone after use (you can’t do anything until you land), so if you fall off an edge using that move, you’re dead. I’m glad they changed that in Smash Ultimate.
If this acts in anyway as a sign of things to come, this guy could be really popular on RUclips.
:(
It didn't happen
Loved this video so much, can't wait for part two :) I loved that you included the counters to the moves!
gotta wonder what it would have been like if the smash competitive community actually liked fun and custom moves were a mainstay
Very informative and well done! Subscribed.
After 4 years of me not seeing this in my recommended RUclips finally wants to recommend me this why
DJ Penguin ikr
Wizards Dropkick literally makes Ganondorf Kung Lao
GANON NEEDS THIS DROPKICK.
I'm an Ultimate newbie, so this is fascinating to discover!
Yord same
This is great! You've earned yourself a new sub!
You sound like Tina from Bob's Burgers!!!!
lmfao
More like mr frod
This is fantastic! Faved, liked, and subbed!
This was very well done
i dont care how broken these were, they were fun as fuck to use
What a relic of the past...
Wizard's dropkick makes him pretty viable.
This was a pretty amazing list. Subscribed for part 2!
Zcolby likewise looking forward to it. this video was very helpful
I haven't come across anyone using some of these, but this was a great video. Thanks for the info.
ganon with dr doom divekick is nutty
Thank you for using mine and Moa's Metroid Prime 2 Multiplayer-track for your video and giving us credit! :) Much appreciated!
Oh! Nice video by the way! :)
5:27 Captain Falcon: Hay wii fit trainer Nice work on the he'll
Wish custom moves would come back
Great vid man, really enjoyed it. Definitely gonna check out part 2.
I miss these!
0:43 when did Ganondorf become Jigglypuff?
Rosalina and Luma are the next Ice Climbers it seems
TheLastSliceOfPie IC weren't THAT OP
PKMNTrainerAnthony actually in Brawl they were top tiers...
Never recalled them that great
They had an infinite grab combo in both games
+TheLastSliceOfPie that was situational and difficult to land
This is a great video. Keep up the good work!
Power Vision should have been WAY higher!
Custom moves were honestly my favourite part of smash 4 it was intresting and added replay value it should of returned in ultimate
Kinda makes me wish these characters had these in Smash. Just to make them a bit better
Great video and analysts! I agree with you on most of these. The only one I wouldn't put in top 10 is Diddy's Rocketbarrel attack. Although it is incredibly strong and comes out fast, Diddy's recovery is already not that great, and not having much horizontal movement means he can be gimped easier. Maybe there Isn't a better custom move to take It's place, but at best I think that move should be number ten.
Daddy's recovery isn't great?? Are you kidding?
SupermarioSteel daddy XD
XenoSmasher I personally think that Fox's Twisting Fox Up B is better than Diddy's Up B
NFO Lion Yeah a lot of up special moves are better then Diddy's. Twister Fox is pretty good.
SupermarioSteel No I'm not. Diddy can be gimped pretty easily is he is far out enough that he needs to charge it a good amount. The fact that he needs to charge it to goo a good distance is what makes it not that great. If he is too low he will die from dropping before he can charge it enough to make it back. If he's too far out and the opponent is a character that can go far out, all they need to do is attack him, and he's done. I'm not saying It's necessarily a terrible recovery, but It's not a good one either.
I'm a super-casual smash player and didn't know half of that terminology or how to pull off any of that, but I still really enjoyed the video!
Rocketbarrel Attack is like having a Waft at all times
Really love the Harmony of Heroes album music :D
Great stuff man!
You earned a sub
thank you for this.
this is amazing, cant wait for top 5
Guys technically we can start a custom moves/mods community on smash 4 even though ultimate is out.
You're dream is granted cus on reddit there it is
@@malcolmlloydandrileyproduc6451 I'm intrigued
Nice video, subbed.
Imagine Shulk with power vision and the hyper smash monado 😢 people would be dying at zero all the time.
wow i mean i know this is old and all and doesnt apply to todays rules etc but this is such a well made two part video props
On #10, when you say "a recovery option", do you mean horizontally? All up special customs have great vertical range.
Yes
Twisting fox : has more or less as much range as his default up but if ledges trumped without invincibility it stage spikes , it kills early at the upper blast zone and kills on the ground at around 60-70%
This is nice to know tbh.
Bouncing gordo, great throw combos, jab combos, smash combos, pretty much any combo
Dat Metroid Prime 2 Remix in the background doe
This is amazing!
I would consider luma warp one of the worst because regular luma shot allows you to choose where to put luma where luma warp has one position. This means luma shot allows for more follow ups and combos with luma.
MY BOY SHULK IS ON HERE.
💥☄️☀️🌤⛅️
Pauletina's new attacks!
3 years later
what's a custom move?
Watching this in 2021
Are we not gonna point out how terrible Wii Fit's recovery is with Jumbo Hoop?
Vertical recovery at least.
Would love for custom moves to make a return in the next smash game
I think charizards rock hurl and fireball cannon are great customs. Fireball cannon is probably the best gimp move in the game and rock hurl has good damage output while sending the opponent upwards at an angle, allowing an easy nair at low percents and a brutal uair at higher percents.
'possibly becoming legal at other tournaments"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahaha.....ha.ha
This was a more innocent and naive time
"With custom moves being legal at EVO 2015 and possibly becoming legal at many tournaments very soon..."
Aha.
Ha.
Ha.
Bruh how did fox short hop charged laser not on this list? It’s one of if not the best projectile in the game! It can be used in neutral to for or stuff approaches, covers landings, decent “get off me” move, it can be used for edge guarding from ledge, comes out quick is short hoped but can be done on the ground a a mix up, it sends opponent at a good angle and can be followed off of with the right percent, it can also kill around 180%. Combine that fox is a fast faller with a great run speed makes this one of the best camping tools in the game.
the ganon drop kick is like a nerfed bayo
but what about spinphony???
obviously best move
Well the biggest weakness with jumbo hoop is its huge lagg of vertical distance!
Custom moves aren't showing up when I go to change them for characters. How do I fix that?
Charity Hardin there are no customs for dlc characters, and you have to unlock most normal customs
Liam how do you unlock them?
Charity Hardin
You must know this, but Miis and Palutena's customs are unlocked at the start by default. The rest have to be unlocked by doing things like playing Classic mode, filling out the pannel, and playing Trophy Rush, or Crazy Orders. You should be gradually rewarded them, however it's hard to get them all, seeing as you do get duplicates.
DLC characters are the only ones not to have custom moves (Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy, Ryu, Cloud, Corrin and Bayonetta).
Links power bow is amazingly op I’m surprised it didnt make the list, it has amazing kill power and whenever I use it I can kill everyone, but it’s a projectile which means it can be reflected/stopped by other projectiles
3:59 is anyone else getting Brawl MK tornado flashbacks with jumbo hoop against shield
Try a decisive monado arts buster + power vision.
Cascaded Volcano Oh god imagine it with a crit badge?
+mega animations Deaded
+mega animations Holy shit... I can only imagine the amount of pain someone would feel when they get hit by that. Someone should test this and see how much damage it would do.
202% when countering shulks down smash.
mega animations When you counter the opponent or get countered
Nice video!!!
Personally, I think Ike's Tempest is the best CM. The edge guards are real XD
thank God customs being legal didn't actually happen
why am I still watching this
Diddy's jetpack gets zero horizontal distance.
You sound like Tina from Bob's Burgers.
For some reason I didn't know customs are allowed at evo. That is going to change a lot.
This video is really good but I can't get over the fact that you mention a character dying at the percent they're at after hit
You said backwards grounder counter, how do i perform this?
1:33 actually it can be reversed
i done it several times it just has to be slightly tilted to the other isde just
yeah too hard to explain so screw it