Drone Wars 4: FPV Drones Dominate Film Sets and Battlefields
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- The most dominant form of drones in the modern battlespace are the simplest. Bare-bones disposable FPV drones are the most effective UAVs in the Ukrainian conflict and the cheapest to build yourself. It's rare that combat and hobbies are so overlapped...
Yes this is the information we need, once again thanks to T-Rex arms for producing actual drone information unlike most of the other 2a channels which seem like children when they speak on the subject.
T-Rex arms, I make drones at a high level for various contractors I would love to send you some “prototypes” . I will email to see how to facilitate this.
And you try to discuss it with said childish channels and get nowhere. Thanx t.rex!
these guys don't know shit
@@mlentsch seems as though they are admitting they’re current skill level if you watch the content . But in my opinion they’re doing a very good job of rapidly digesting and distributing the information they have acquired. Also the drone community being as welcoming and supportive as it typically is, I can almost assure you , that you probably don’t know as much as you think you do on the subject. Have a good one regardless.
@@AdamWeatherall "distributing the information"... there's not a ton of "information" in there, but there is some hype. We don't need the publicity. Those curious and intellectually equipped will find the information they seek, elsewhere. To give the average T-Rex Arms viewer the impression that they can have some novel "weapon" for a few hundred bucks is NOT what the industry needs. You should know that, Mr. high-level...
As a FPV Pilot myself, this war is eating up parts inventory globally and making it hard to get certain hardware like ESCs to name one.
I hear that.
The only thing that’s been hard to find for me is batteries.
AliExpress. Never have problems getting parts. Some FCs and ESCs are getting pricey but you can always get alternative. I build and fly FPV myself.
Analog VTX have been difficult for me.
@@PaulieShortcuts that's for sure. I looked up my archives from 2022 (history of orders on AliExpress) and found that the price of SpeedyBee TX800 and Rush Tank is almost doubled
The glider type drones with a pusher prop make almost no noise and have farther ranges. Can be hand launched, or slinshot launched.
Agree... Only loss is the control and angle of attack
The first countermeasure is knowing there is a drone operating in your area. An SDR capable of 2.4/5 GHz or frequency analyzer like the TinySA Ultra with an appropriate antenna will show the FHSS of the controller and the video link. Unfortunately there is no publically available database of consumer drone hardware with their signals displayed like on the signal id wiki. Companies have built proprietary databases for their own anti-drone hardware, but nothing open source exists yet as far as I know.
Once you have some early warning from picking up RF, I think the next countermeasure is to hide and stop moving. Just like with thermal imaging, movement is going to catch the operator's eye.
Despite the speeds these drones are capable of, the operators aren't always going to be going full speed to conserve battery of a one way device, especially if they havent ID'ed a target. I've seen some videos of Russian infantry shooting drones with shotguns they were carrying with them. Certainly not ideal but what other options do we have?
If you have some early warning, are able to take cover, can start jamming or at least intoduce more noise into the control and video signals, and maybe are even able to quickly DF the direction the drone is coming from, maybe you could have the shotgun pointed in the right direction to save your squad. It's the only workable thesis I've been able to come up with for a prepaired citizen without dedicated SIGINT assets and AAA with proximity/timed airburst munitions as recently shown by a Rhinemetal anti-drone swarm gun system, which obviously none of us could afford even if they would sell us one.
The only other option I've been able to come up with is carrying a yagi antenna with a radio connected capable of producing enough power to jam the control or video system far enough away before the explosive payload is a threat, but this still requires early detection and direction finding, and now one of your guys has to carry a good size yagi instead of a dual use shotgun.
IDK, I'm glad T.REX is producing these videos, I hope y'all can give us some more ideas on how to deal with these things on the modern battlefield that is probably coming to our neighborhoods.
Really appreciate explaining your research and thoughts here👍🏻. Thank you
It’s going to be near difficult if not impossible to distinguish the 2.4Ghz signals from WiFi and IoT devices. Jamming is really the only effective way to deal with these things, and that doesn’t require any knowledge of them. Just leave it powered on and it works.
As far as drones stopping and hovering so you can shoot them down, those are not the FPV drones this video is discussing. Those are spotting drones which move much slower and stay at higher altitudes and are not meant to be disposable. The FPV drones don’t even take off until a spotter has identified a target. Watch Garand Thumb’s video with the Ukraine fighters, they talk about this quite a bit. You can shoot down the spotters with a shotgun and bird shot, but an FPV headed for you will still hit you even if you do manage to hit it while it’s going 100+ MPH.
@@RealBenAnderson In an urban environment I agree completely. The amount of wifi signals would require very specific equipment to pick out the signal. I'm looking at a rural setting, where there may be several acres between houses and you're trying to defend a homestead. I've got a spectrum analyzer headed my way in the mail right now, in a few days I'll see how crowded the band is when in BFE and how realistic it is to be able to identify it.
Thanks for pointing out the GT video, that was one I hadn't watched yet, I'll have to go do that now. It's good to see the tactics employed.
I agree that jamming might be the only solution, but in terms of emissions control and not being DF'ed, that certainly isn't something I'd want to leave on all the time, as it would just be a beacon to one's position.
@@TheTrinityDawn117 I know this is just my opinion, but I’m convinced the next American conflict will take place exclusively in urban environments. If I’m right, DFing drones, or drone jammers, will be impossible, because they’ll both be mixed right in with all the WiFi signals being emitted by every router and every IoT device and every single phone and smart watch every person is carrying. Nobody will be able to pin down a single signal because they will all be on top of each other constantly.
you can look up the channels fpv drones use, for the controller/radio expresslrs, crossfire and ghost are the most used, iirc they all use either channels around 900mhz or around 2.4ghz. For Video systems, all of them use frequencies around 5.8ghz, the exact frequencies can be seen in some tables online, Oscar Liang has some. Though jamming the video link would be more than enough, imagine blinding a soldier... for jamming those channels, on video just sending higher wattage on the same channel is enough, AKK sells a 10w video transmitter which would be enough to overwrite any other signal in the air. though you would need morethan one to jam multiple drones once you've found the channels...
you can also just listen in to the signals of the drones coming in, one person in front of the screen that displays all channels is enough, once any signal appears, you can jam that channel...
This is why Trex labs is my favorite channel. The application of FPV racing drones is fascinating.
Crazy! My first big hobby, FPV drones, that I got into over 7 years ago. It lead me to 3d printing, electrical engineering, and so on.
Then I got into guns, during the whole Covid mess and riots situation.
It's amazing how much more confident I am in the drone world, but I'm astounded to see all of these worlds blending together.
Heck, I now use 3d printing to make more firearms related things, than drone things.
I excited that I have good experience across the board with drones and printing, need a lot more with guns, and I'm so glad I have something in the mind bank for the future.
I'm just terrified that it may be needed in a short time from the present.
Thank y'all for some great content
Amazing to think you could basically setup the ultimate recon headquarters inside of a backpack and you'd just be limited by battery weight.
Recon is exactly the purpose I had in mind when I purchased my three quadcopters. Well, that and making RUclips travel videos. 😂
Dont forget its a 24/7 radio signal. That can be helped some with gps movement softwares like inav, but its still a signal that can be direction found, and as such you need to be careful
I worked for one of the leading FPV drone manufactures in the U.S, trust me when I say.. We have been using FPV Drones on the battlefield well before Ukraine 😅
Very true. However, nobody was paying much attention back then.
@@T.REXLabs You have a very valid point! Also Great Video 👍
@@ryanmgraham Orca?
@@T.REXLabs I don't think I've even been to the range since I started flying fpv. Except maybe to fly quads hahaha
We had switchblades back in the 90s right?
HI, I really love all the drone videos and please continue in doing them. Nevertheless, one off topic - is that a Ruger Mark with silencer and optics on the side of the table? :)
Yes and yes. Very practical.
“Renewable munitions delivery platforms” got me dying 🤣☠️🤣
Thank you Isaac!
A few corrections: 'Return to home' is possible in the latest versions of Betaflight, provided that you have a GPS installed ($10, easy to do). Also, not every drone can take 18650 batteries; they just can't handle a lot of power draw. They're used, but mostly in less agile, long-range drones.
He said that RTH is not possible specifically for the ones he had present.
@@aw_dev actually, it's possible. Just put a tiny Rush M10 or whatever GPS module you like, set it up in BF and you good to go
Having given it some thought, I think return to home on a suicide drone might be one of those things you really don’t want anyway given a jammer would initiate a failsafe.
8:55 A large factor holding back the operational range of most FPV equipment is the frequencies they run at. The 5.8GHz range is very common for VTX operation, and these microwaves are easily absorbed by the environment. Additionally, the power that these modules use isn't enough to go very far. I'm interested in how the privileges of a HAM license could be leveraged to improve the range of an FPV. This would allow for much more power than consumer equipment, and allow the use of frequencies that propagate more efficiently. Something like an FPV signal repeater would be more feasible with HAM privileges as well...
i imagine putting a repeater on gps drones putting one at 200m above or slightly offset from your location and then using that to extend the range of fpv drones you are operating would be very effective.
I’m noob on this stuff, but imaging combining a swarm of Meshtastic equipped drone along with one or two carrying a payload.
I would guess HAM frequencies would not support the bandwidth of information needed for fpv drones
I do know that hams have done rv airplanes and that industry. The advantage is we have a higher power output option. We do have privileges that operate in the 5ghz. Bandwidth is not a problem as they would be using the same mode as it already does. There has been firmware written to replace the factory firmware for popular wifi routers to use some extra channels in the wifi range, also there is Amatuer TV using transmitters to send video feeds back from the rc airplanes as well. This may open an interesting rabbit trail for me as well.
The biggest constraint with higher power is video transmission is power consumption/heat management. My 400mW vtx can't be on for more than a couple minutes without air moving past it or it overheats. Even though some VTXs are down at 1.3gHz, there is a lower limit where the amount of data required is too much. Doing repeaters is an option that adds latency.
Great content, pretty crazy how capable some of these diy drones are
This is so awesome, love this series. Thanks Isaac
4:43 They carry shotguns, and I've seen people hit some pretty fast targets in Skeet and Sporting clays.
Those are people that are trained well at using it with specific ammo, and knowing already what they are going to be firing at and the general direction it will be coming from . With the sounds of the and stresses of the battlefield and how quick a fpv drone can be on top of you before you can even spot it, and then being able to even ready your weapon in time would be a challenge. It's a very limited defense.
@@crazygmanssimstuffone thing the drone pilot can do when flying fast is to use their roll axis to slalom left and right in an irregular pattern before swinging in for the kill. The shotgun has some weight to it so you’re fighting inertia when trying to track the erratically manoeuvring drone.
I enjoyed this one and you did great at communicating the reality of FPV.
Thanks Isaac!
Frequency hopping drones?!? Can you explain more on that?? I know what freq hopping is, just curious how it's accomplished between drone and controller?!?
Obviously, the timing has to be perfect, but you can use an simple algorithm to generate a unique pattern that both transceivers will follow.
Very important if you're trying to defeat jamming.
Look into the expresslrs project it does exactly this and has range of 100km+
Another banger episode
Great video bro.
I’m waiting for the new HYTERA drones to be released.. 🤣
T-Rex is always on the cutting edge of tech.
Fantastic video!
good to see him removing that government drone bug off his chest 4:45. It almost had him.
RUclips has DIY radar How to's. Sounds like a potential defence. Hook a camera that aims at the area and snaps a shot and sends it to your phone.
Love the drone content
JB's home! 10:29
… and youre gonna learn something today.
I promise you these are not “easy to slap together” or “energy efficient” and it takes q very committed individual to learn gow to fly semi decent. No one uses lithium ion batteries unless it’s for very specific situations like low power long range flights. Lipo batteries are the standard.
10:46 Cool video. Thanks!
I'm waiting for the AI-controlled, larger Mothership with its smaller, self-recoverable Daughter drones, some configured strictly for RSTA use, and the other drones with varying weapon packages and loadouts...all of them in communication with the others...and with swappable modules that simply click into place for precisely tailored mission sets...Clearing hallways using basic Hall Boss TTPs... 😮...lolol
Drone with thermals are scary.
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Reaper level!
The only thing in this series I have to disagree with (and I've really enjoyed it) is about the goggles. I've been flying RC for about 20 years and FPV for around 10 to 12 years. The goggles are not VR goggles. I would love to have something like the VR headset I'm watching this series on. The clarity and field of view on newer VR headsets are what we dreamed of back in the day, but like everything else, it is getting better.
Can't even practically use VR goggles in a low latency setup. I have an old oculus rift hanging around and would love to plug a VRX into that!
@brainycheddar Right! Some day though.
I’m sure those sneaky bastards at DJI are working on it.
@@BabaYagaFPV They do have some of the best digital goggles you can get atm.
VR = a multiple purposes headset computer with all the modern technologies built inside
FPV google = a transmitter camera feed
Huge different
Both Drone and AR/VR are essily the best tech today that doesn't need to be overhyped like ai now a day
Is there any work into using a relay system to overcome line of sight? Put a long range drone up a few thousand feet into the sky with a signal repeater and you can overcome a lot of LOS issues. Basically copying EWAC usage.
Coming in hot!
That F-1 drone could be useful in intercepting drones or cruise missiles shortly before they hit their target.
Thats the first time anyone called FatSharks cheap
yeah, that's true) It hurts)
Cool stuff.
I can see maybe occasionally hitting and wounding or killing a single individual target, but I really question these drones carrying enough ordinance to take out any kind of armor. These drones may go 200mph carrying a tiny camera, but they arent going to hit those speeds carrying any kind of ordinance. If you watch the full video that was excerpted in here, they do indeed target an armored vehicle, but it has already been destroyed. And all we usually see in combat footage is the drone camera going blank as it hits a target and seldom see if any damage is done. The drones I am seeing in most of these videos ain't going to go fast enough with enough weight to do much damage to avoid being taken out by a shotgun. Plus, when carrying any weight, they are loud af. Long range sniping and ieds are still orders of magnitude more effective, and far more likely to be an actual threat.
The problem for 2a purposes is explosives of course. We don't have anything we need to actually resist tyranny, by design.
Question for the drone guys, what kind of controllers are people using in the simulators? Is it worth practicing with a game controller or should I look into drone controllers?
Love the videos!
Game controllers do barely work... but you really need proper sticks for the precision flying that FPV requires.
I highly recommend the RadioMaster Boxer (get the ELRS version). You can connect it to your computer to use as a controller.
radio master boxer, or its cheaper little brother the radiomaster pocket would both be good options that you can use for sim or real life flying.
I vote radiomaster pocket. It's the cheapest option given so far and if you don't like it, it will resell easily.
Radiomaster Boxer, Pocket, TX16, TX12, Zorro. TBS Tango and Mambo. Jumper T-lite, T-pro, T20, T14. You can even learn to fly with BetaFPV gear but I don't recommend it.
Can be surprising how much Hollywood interplays with Military. Even a Fischer for your camera is otherwise for loading missiles
Yep, the camera dolly like Fisher/Chapman Panther etc. came from bomb loaders of WW2. now half the crew are wearing micro chest rigs or an interpretation of one redesigned or reconfigured for their needs on set.
If the signals are unencrypted, you could buy an SDR dongle. You can plug it into your Android smartphone or tablet and monitor the drone signals that way. For the smart features, to be honest, those could be handled by the control unit in the case a lot of Android smartphone or tablet processors, be they snapdragon or media tech, have exceptionally good AI processors in them and simply have the control application handle The smart features. This gives you similar capabilities but cuts costs down on the drone because you have the control unit, which is something you don't necessarily have to replace to handle the more Process-intensive tasks. Finally, it makes sense that a squad of troops could literally pack one of those drones on them to do reconnaissance over an area they're about to attack just before the attack. As well as any other capabilities you could think to use that drone for and there's a lot of them. If they lose the drone, oh well. They are easily replaceable.
I’m missing the link to the video mentioned at around 2:57. Excited to see the reveal.
Just subed.
Mention of the battery duration & power consumption reminded me of something...
"What is your name?"
"Arthur-King of the Britons"
"What is your Quest?"
"I seek the Holy Grail"
"What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?"
"What do you mean? An African or European swallow?"
I flew fpv way before I ever should’ve. Spend time in the sim and watch a lot of vids on beta flight. Get a tiny whoop
At least you made it through one side
The future ia now old man!
Basically never leave your house again if shit pops off and the drones come.
Next up rc cars are gonna also be use for war
So if line of sight is an issue when you need range. The tethered drone repeater/antenna idea might work. Like for search and rescue, or scouting in permissive locations (Just don't do it in areas where artillery exists, as they will see where you are).
Yeah, there are folks using repeaters to hide operators, and there are also guys using wire-guided drones as well. Apparently some is copper and some is fiber.
laptop 18650 cells will not handle it you need power tool ones higher discharge rate, 3d printing how many hours do you have to printout that part
You can run a few cells in parallel to get more amps.
Curious beyond electronic countermeasures if anyone is developing munitions specific for drones beyond standard shotshells…thinking a few chunks of lead and a web of Sypder Wire.
New age warfare right here, thanks for sharing
FPV has brought me together with people all over the world. To see it focused on in such a light is sad.
I mean. I get it. The world is the way it is. But, It still sucks.
What atak plug in do you use to control the s2+
2:08 ...a bit longer than three days now...
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Nets are the only defense
fixed wing fly further and use just one motor
In before 'repeater drones' used to more efficiently hover above terrain to allow fpv operators to direct their drones from outside where their main drone is operating relative to themselves
Any apps out there jailbreak dji drones and make it more off grid?
Make a pixhawk or fpv. It’s the only way to do what you want.
Yes , but not completely, the drone by virtue of how it works will go through Chinese satellites, if you unlock manual controls it’s pointless to own imo.
He talked about that in a previous video - CIAJeepDoors is one of the alternate firmwares. It's not perfect but it apparently helps in some cases.
the dji app already has an option to go completly off grid. When turned on you have to manually update drone with sd card and the drone physically cant send any signals out or connect to wifi. It can only talk to the remote.
Any easy way to have the wireless emitter connected by wire to the remote control and goggles? Like a few hundred meters away? Wouldn't want to attract incoming artillery...
Russians are doing way better than that. There's at least one set of pics of a FPV using a 15km bottle spool of super fine fiber optic cable floating around on X and TWZ.
@@jamesbridges7750 Its actually a way worse solution due to the wire easily being cut by the drones props during manuevers and range being decreased due to snagging on obstacles or wire running out.
Sooo… shotgun action not viable?
Fpv google or 3d glasses are not even similar to vr in everywhere. The is no virtual involved and both just focused on ond small thing while VR is like a multiple purposes just like computer
Imagine the fear of trying to out run a high performance drone, which is faster quicker and way more agile. If it sees you, it deletes you.
Imagine repeating mark miley with the that 3 day BS
That's the joke.
Humans have javelin capabilities built in by God.
5 min flight times - a no go for serious recon use
Yeah, they aren't for recon... unless you are doing recon by fire.
They're not for recon. They're for loading up with some good ol bang bang and making a one way trip. What Ukraine's been doing with these types of things is putting them in an area where they think enemies are, and then sit them in standby mode. They then use another drone far more suited for recon and when they detect enemies they pop the ultra fast, low life drone up and do their work.
@@T.REXLabs Some can be used for recon, for example Flywoo Explorer LR4. I'm getting 5 miles with them easily (LOS) and the flight time with 18650 battery is ~15 minutes (no wind).
@@BullsMahunny ahhh ok 👍
These are for killing a target, they use slower and otherwise more advanced drones to identify targets.
Its DJI NOT DGI
Trex is based as fuck, they're buying and training and using that for tax right offs, we are doing it as nerds.
When your phone says your Tesla is in Ukraine or Russia, they only want the batteries. Why else would anyone destroy a Tesla with explosives?
Yikes dude imagine that job. I guess I get it. You look through a scope and shoot the enemy. You get in bad breaths distance and shotgun the enemy. But like how much more close can you get than literally strapping a HD view on an explosive and getting a call of duty level hit on your vehicle or personnel.
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Talk about trauma.
drone boi looks like he hasn't seen the sun or slept in years
The hobby has already been stagnated by F.A.A. regulation. "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is"!
Your battery recommendation is garbage lol
Bad for high-draw racing drones, but more sustainable.
We should Collaborate. Nice video guys. We are a 10 year fpv veteran channel on RUclips.⚡️
Well, I'd recommend watching the drama dronecamps caused with botgrinder before collaborating. There's nothing as unpleasant as a faked cease-and-desist eMail.
Oh, someone hid my answer... Well, I guess, dronecamps won't send me a fake c&d like he did to botgrinder.
I wouldn't collaborate with dronecamps. Adam W has actual experience with drones in this area of expertise. Dronecamps just shills fpv products for likes.
Right now you have a reputation problem solve, it's not that hard to say "sorry" and shake hands.
No. They should collaborate with BOTGRINDER)
"On Both Sides..."
Note: Kamikaze Drones never get Old.
Just like the hobby of drone flying he is going to deep when u enjoy flying u dont think about the stuff hes talking about scary guy
Trouble maker
Laptop 18650 batteries are no good for flying, you need high discharge ones and then you not going to fly hard acro, for that only lipo will do.
I see the batteries they are using on the quads used. They are expensive! 21700 6s 2p is about 200 bucks.