Steven Crowder & Ben Shapiro Go To WAR
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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on RUclips. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on RUclips, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode. “That Raytheon decided they don’t hate gays or trans people - frankly, I don’t really give a shit what their take on that is..."
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lol, Krystal is listening to Kyle like "ok....ok...ok...ok" like a mother listening to her son after he got in trouble at school and has to explain his side of the story.
sometimes she can’t get a word in edgewise and that’s why it’s important to have a producer who can offer feedback as well as give signals during the show.
@@gavriloking5637 I don't think he's cutting her off... moreover she's trying help boost his channel up to that 1m number....but I do think Krystal needs to get her ass back on point with Saagar...
Bruh these comments are another world. What are you, 10 years old?
She’s insufferably boring.
So if a worker gets handed an exploitative contract all they have to do is show it to their millions of followers to get a better deal. Thanks crowder. Solutions people, solutions.
Maybe a bunch of workers could all get together in order to increase their bargaining power, since a united group would have more leverage. I wonder what we could call it?
You can that a soon to be busted union
Duh, or get a small loan of a million dollars and start a business OBVIOUSLY
He didnt get a better deal but ok...learn the facts of the whole story before you open your fat mouth? 🤷♂️
@@Anotherfunnywordyeah I wonder what you’d call it bud when can we start doing that because we need more bargaining power.
You have Steven Crowder getting $50M. Yet we have here our boy slim shady paying bills with charity chips and Seltzer cans.
Well, the real slim shady never did stand up...
Yeah it really is much harder to do the right thing (be for the right/just/moral policies) when you're in the political media sphere in America. Kyle deserves a lot of credit for staying strong and principled (whether you agree with all his beliefs or not) when at any time he could've started making lots of cash by letting his policy beliefs wander based on the direction of the cash flow, even something like RUclips clicks & telling people what they want to hear, especially right-wingers.
Let alone all the women who work their asses off. And single mothers. But then again people voted for corruption and globalism so.....
He's the Real Slim Seltzer, or Seltz Shady if you prefer.
@@thehumanity0 i.e. Jimmy Dore
Jimmy Dore tried to go to war with Kyle, but Kyle didn't take the bait. Good on him.
He did? What was it about exactly, I'm not following Dimmy Jore.
When
Jimmy and Cenk went to war. Kyle sided with Cenk, so he got attacked for that.
@@alphabetpeople2902 until now ever once in a while he throws shots at Kyle, it started since the tyt and jimmy drama
@@KlausMosh thx for sharing
*Grabs popcorn*
Was that Crowder? Not sure. No dress? No empty shoulder holsters? Must be an imposter!
'taking it to big tech' all while pouring gobs of content into big tech - this is the BIG CON if there ever was one
Uhhhhhmmmm ... get off off the crack. Attacking the method is not the same as getting raped.
Good video, I agree with Kyle's take. Also, this exposes both DW and Steven Crowder how they are far more profit based / corporate vs the perceived cultural warriors they claim to be.
Can’t fight much of a culture war without money
Exactly!
Hope you understand how much of a problem this is. Money corrupts. That was what brought us globalism. The west will soon implode and explode.
If you're good at something, don't do it for free
How so on Stevens behalf?? He doesn't want to censor his shows topics just so Dw can make money from ads
Keep in mind, the supposed $50 million was to cover the cost of his production as well, so he was not walking home with $50. The DW was trying to siphon or take his already 6 million plus paying subscribers, which would have resulted in a worse off position for Crowder.
He doesn't have 6 mil paying subscribers, he doesn't even have 1 mil, there is no way in hell he's going to make that much money on his own. That many subscribers on RUclips does not translate to paying subscribers, he doesn't even break 1 mil views per video.
Exactly. And the penalties weren't limited to the 25% mentioned by Kyle. There were additional fines for Facebook demonetisation and other ad loses, and Crowder stated that he could lose up to 80% (an exaggeration, I'm sure) in revenue if he did not strictly follow the rules of Big Tech.
He also clarified that the "exploitative" charge was not to do with him but with young unknown Conservatives who have few options but to sign and have their voices muzzled. This is a very misleading video.
He doesn’t have 6 million paying subscribers. He has slightly under 6 million RUclips subscribers, who don’t pay anything on a channel he can’t monetize. And guess what he did? He didn’t stay independent as he always claims he has been while working for somebody else who foots the bill to create his content. He signed to have all of his content be exclusive to rumble. The dude goes on and on nonstop about being independent yet he’s never been independent. He has always worked for a company that foots the bill. And I have a hard time believing that a company that makes around $15M in revenue in s quarter while losing about double that like Rumble is paying him $12.5M a year but maybe they are thinking he can be their big launching pad. There was nothing explosive about what he was offered he simply expected to receive a multi million dollar guarantee while absorbing none of the risk all while doing most all of the same content and licensing things for rumble that DW was asking for while puppeting that it’s different. Can’t really expect that to land with a guy who says he’s independent media while he gets paid by somebody else and hosts his content on big tech while lambasting big tech.
@@Matt-cr4vv That post was 5 months old, during the height of the controversy. The 6+ million number is correct when you take into consideration non-youtube sources, thus in retrospect, adding "paying" was an unintentional error on my part, as it did not draw distinction between mug-club and regular subs.
To play a bit of devil's advocate here, the "independent" claim can work as long as the metric for what counts as that is not defined. For example, can any of us be 'independent" if we rely on customers to support our businesses, or the government to maintain the infrastructure from which we can operate? I don't think there are many that are truly independent in the truest sense of the word.
Independent in the context of Crowder is more in the realm of content and editorialization, with production. He is his own producer in other words.
That said, I generally agree with some of the sentiment you express, though I do find Crowder less duplicitous than the DW, who I do not hold in high regard.
You know who wins in a battle between Crowder and Shapiro? Everyone.
It reminds me of the cripple fight in South Park
ruclips.net/video/PeWMwrdFBw0/видео.html
I am willing to buy to buy them battle axes just so they can duke it out.
I mean honestly, in a debate, Ben would absolutely roll him. He has a better grasp on debating technique and tends to have a calmer demeanor (even when just rapidly Gish galloping). Steven gets flustered when he's not debating college freshman with his preplanned talking points.
...until Crowder launches his own version of Daily Wire.
Is it me or did Kyle miss the entire point of that video... what I got from it he was talking the new upcomers who are not a position to refuse such contracts
I'm going to say this once. The deal is for 5... MILLION DOLLARS. That deal is not exploitative in the least. It's fucking normal. If you refuse to go to work you don't get paid. If you lose the company money they can dock your wages. Basically everyone on earth accepts these as normal for wages over 1000 times lower than that (I know deal isn't pure profit it's expenses too). But Crowder calls this exploitation. Even for an up and comer it's a fine deal. Unless he's somehow become a Marxist there is no exploitation going on by his own capitalist definition of the word. He's just a hypocrite who wants all the upsides of getting a massive deal and none of the accountability.
In terms of user rights and management of content, that was a pretty standard contract for creatives. It's a rough industry as it's competitive and only those on the top of the pile make really good money. That being said, $50 mil is beyond what most creatives could hope for so it is possible that Crowder's billionaire funding in the past is true. Is it terrible that most creatives are poorly compensated? Yes. Will that ever change? Probably not. As long as you have a massive pool of desperate creators willing to work for cheap (sometimes for free), the cycle of depreciation will continue.
Come on - if you really believe that Steven is demanding $30 million a year in order to protect new upcomers, then you're way too naive. He's doing this to try to get more money for himself, that's it.
Your slogan must be, "Ignorance is bliss!"
50M was for 4 years minus production costs which are probably around 25% of that, minus ALL the money made by mug club, merch or ANY other sources for 4 years, extendable to 6 years at the SOLE discretion of DW. So now it's no where near 50M. Plus, tons of penalties monthly, quarterly and yearly that can be taken from that 50M. If he became disabled and never made a show, his total liability was $70M for 4 years and $105M for 6 years. He also loses COMPLETE control over his social media accounts during that term where the DW manages, curates and posts what they deem appropriate. They also own the names of those accounts so at the end of the term, he'd have to make new ones. They also own and control in perpetuity the content and ANY revenue created during that term and get complete access to his entire library of content BEFORE the contract and ALL money generated from that content during the term. He's only allowed to turn down 10% of the ads DW wants to run during those shows, so if the DW ran porn ads or abortion ads or anything else Crowder felt was offensive or brand damaging during the show, he had NO say to prevent it. He also had to do 192 shows, monthly show, a quarterly show and two FEATURE length shows (one comedy and one political) per year. Failure to produce 16 1.5 hour shows per month is $100,000 fine per show; failure to produce 48 shows in 3 month period is $250,000 fine; and failure to do either of the annual feature length shows is $1,000,000 fine each.
That 50M doesn't go far when you have to pay and produce ALL your content and costs related to that and potential fines for missed shows. It was NOT a guaranteed 50M for 4 years. The worst isn't even the bad money deal, it was surrendering ALL of your social media accounts to them and having no say about what goes on them.
BTW, Jordan Peterson and Steven Crowder have almost the same number of subs on youtube but there is no one bigger for the conservative side than Crowder. Not even close. I'm sure you have no issues with the contract as it is since you are leftists according to your comments near the end of your video but for the right, removing the freedom to control your own voice isn't taken lightly and is the source of this whole controversy. DW put a contract out like a book or music publisher does where they "own" the work produced under their umbrella. How many authors and musicians like how they are treated? And NONE of them take over clients social media accounts and literally own them and what they say. I guarantee you Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson don't have those in their contracts. If Jordan Peterson does, and he loses his license which is likely then he'll have the same penalties as they tried to give Crowder, he's gonna owe DW up to about $100M since ALL of his content will have to be removed since he can no longer refer to himself as a clinical psychologist, past or present. I'm guessing he doesn't have the same contract though since he first supported Crowder when he saw the contract then took it down when it was his own employer that did it. One thing for sure, republicans are going to be split and the election should be an easy win for democrats. And if this is how republicans treat each other in business deals among friends, we might as well have socialism from the democrats because they both suck.
I think the fact Steven was trying to make was that The Daily Wire keeps conservative pundits and content creators reliant on Big Tech and the terms and policies set by Big Tech, which is biased against conservatives to begin with. Conservative sites should be fighting against Big Tech and make them less reliant on the Big Tech industry. Plus, the Daily Wire and other companies will own you and your creation. They will own the people they help build up and it’ll be difficult for them if they ever do go independent, as what happens to many in other forms of media
It doesn’t help that Ben Shapiro and Glen Beck has private dinners with Mark Zuckerberg
Furthermore, I don’t think the money is the big focal point to Steven, but since everyone relies on that fact so much, I want to mention it a bit. $50 million is a lot to us average folk, but Steven is the largest conservative persona in the conservative media right now, and he has hundreds of thousands of subscribers willing to pay to see him. Those subscribers will bring their money to the Daily Wire and signing up to their firewall and covering much of Crowder’s $50 million salary. Also, if I remember correctly, Crowder would be left in charge of his production, so he’d have to cover that cost and the salary of his employees. Those fees, plus taxes, Crowded won’t be taking home $50 million at the end of the day
Getting $50 million dollars, a massive platform and tons of fame to agree to actually produce your show on a recurring basis and not do anything to stop earning the company money is far from exploitative.
Yes - but try telling Steven Crowder that.🤷♂️
Did Stephen lose his holsters when he lost his gig ?
yeah, i miss that 70's leather thingy, i do love the sissy gun on the desk...wheres the effing desert eagle ... MURICAAAAAA
Oh those are holsters? I thought dude was wearing a knapsack.
He is so poor he can't buy holster for his tiny gun.😂
it was a loaner 🤣
Wait did he give up on the Indiana Jones cosplay
How long till Crowder throws out some Jewish tropes against Shapiro or Prager?
The term is "accurate description".
So I'm a Christian. I belive in God and it boggles my mind when other Christians say atheist can't have a moral compass because it comes from your belief in God. So how is it that people like Kyle have more empathy, more compassion, and isn't willing to sell his soul the way other hard core conservatives do?
Atheists have no grounds to make moral claims. There is no right and wrong in the atheistic worldview. There is only the strong and the weak, just like Charles Darwin preached.
We don’t have a moral compass because of our belief in God, rather He gave every person a moral compass. Some choose to ignore it, “Christian” or otherwise
Morals are not about having empathy… how incredibly simplistic. You clearly only use “Christianity” by name not practice
@@bobbun4369 Eh, it may not be strictly necessary for someone to have empathy to develop a system of morality, though it certainly helps to be able to think through a different frame of reference to understand another person's view.
😂😂😂😂 bro…. I agree w you tho but still hilarious
You clearly didn't understand Crowder's point. This isn't about money or that non-binding term sheet in particular, he was talking about the terms that might be written in newcomers' contracts. Lauren Chen has a better understanding of this so I recommend watching her video before you think Crowder is complaining about just a contract.
$50-100 million to spread right wing lies. Damn.
You mean tell the truth? Bring actual sourcing and receipts instead of identity and emotionally based bullshit? I get it, you don't know what the truth actually is, but lets be real. People like you screeched "trust the science" over an untested vaccine then actively refute actual biological facts. You have no idea what truth is.
He did counter offer. Lol. It was astronomical what he asked for.
Crowder is playing his own game of contract negotiation. He was aiming for 120Mil and if that didn't work, launch his own ship
"Media Industrial Complex"
Kyle is acting like he doesn't rake in a huge amount of money, kyle is rich, just not Steven Crowder Rich or Daily Wire Rich, but Kyle is wealthy.
Typically socialist - doesn’t love the poor but hates the rich. And in this case, richer than him
Just to clarify he did send it back and they refused to remove those provisions. And it wasn’t just 20%. It was 20% if your revenue drops, 20% if your channel gets strike. 10-20% if you get banned from Facebook, RUclips, Spotify, apple, or Twitter. Each. It could easily add up to 100%. And it could get close to that without any actual drop in revenue
That’s not accurate… he countered for 120 mil and DW wouldn’t pay him that… DW expected him to change what he wanted with provisions but not dbl plus his pay… I like both but that’s kinda nuts
@@stephanikomasara5793you have to hard ball in negotiations. It’d be dumb not to say he was worth more. But none of that changes anything I said. These negotiations ended months ago, they both confirmed that. He brought it back up because these conditions (and how others were living under them) haunted him, not the money.
@@stephanikomasara5793 and it is fucked how they would cut 100% of his pay if he’s banned everywhere even when the entirety of his money stream is subscriptions and merch.
@@davidanderegg1232 "and it is fucked how they would cut 100% of his pay if he’s banned everywhere even when the entirety of his money stream is subscriptions and merch."
How? Also no, his money stream comes from billionaire donors and almost always has.
@@patchwurk6652 you answered your own question no? The billionaire dollars would go to dw as part of the deal but they could stop paying him even if that money didn’t dry up.
Holy shit thats an NBA startets money!
Yeah and he must be making a similar amount of money if he's bent out of shape by that particular part of the contract. He probably thinks it's more profitable for him to make a stink about it than take the contract because his audience is dumb enough to buy the whole, I'm the only pundit that's really on your side who hasn't sold out to big tech, shtick.
@@Cancellator5000 yeah, could be an attempt to perform market capture, or to leverage market capture for a better contractual agreement.
Will be interesting to see how it turns out. Pretty sure the Daily Wire is a much stronger force than Louder With Crowder.
Kristal Ball loves money
The point of this is to show other people how much money they could be making if they just sold their soul to the right.
I gotta say I am happy for kyle, the way he says you are so right to Krystal you can tell she is a good gal
A movement founded on hate will fall to hate.
Jordan Peterson is not bigger then crowder, crowder is the biggest conservative currently. Ps I'm a leftist just informing you
He isn’t about money he is about freedom! They are BUSINESS! Crowder is a freedom fighter! End of story!!
I keep seeing videos quoting the 50 mil deal, providing no context about what that means implying to some degree that Mr. Crowder would receive that money as salary directly. I’m not sure that is the case. What if that dollar amount is for the whole show and the cost of the show production is 10 Mil a year and Steven employees 10 mil people. They would only get 25 cents per year for 4 years. What a terrible slave deal. That’s extreme but the details of the financial part might add more to the total analysis of the situation.
The 50 million would be over several yrs (5, I believe), and would be for his entire production staff. He employs 25 people, so calculate from that. There's also several penalties (not just the 25% Kyle mentioned) for ANY ad revenue lost or violating the rules of Big Tech.
Honestly, this is an issue of creative control and even if you hate the guy, you have to admire someone who would walk away from that deal due to principles.
Lol Krystal is like “lay off the coke bro” while being high.
(Just a joke btw, great video).
After you said that it seems like they both are off coke but it’s probably bias cause you said that
Simps playing by RUclipss rules, simping on what Crowder was walked away from. This is why these people will always be simps. Money eyes don’t equal integrity.
Crowder should be happy his worth is considered a positive value.
Good point, adopting the rights viewpoint is very profitable. According to peer reviewed studies, the right is more attractive too.
Wait the 50 million was not Crowders take, Crowder has to produce his show and pay his 30 employees with that money. Thats why the penalties were such a sticking point. I hate when people spin the truth.
Does Kyle think he's in a 90's boy band?
To be fair the clausules of that contract Crowder was reading are really abusive.
Only a million dollars a month? Poverty!
1st like boi
The right has finally started to go into a full purity spiral.
I hope so.
The purity testing has been gradually but assuredly gravitating toward the right's nexus of propaganda for 3 decades now. It's no longer candidates signing anti-tax pledges at rallies. It's entire candidates being judged as meeting the purity standard on all immediately perceivable issues.
This isn't really about purity. It's just grifters stealing from each other.
Lol what? The right is eating itself. Last years it was the left and now it’s the right. The west will soon implode
So..... we're just keeping the blond hairs? Holloween is done bro.
Crowder (a fucking Canadian) “we’re fighting for our country”
What I learned: Kyle needs his version of mug club…but let an actual artist design them cause his designs are ass
6:45 lapel grab
Looking forward to Kyle hitting 1 million subscribers.
You're missing the whole picture...Mug club has roughly 350K members at $10 a month, you do the math...That's in excess of $40M per year that Crowder brings to the table before DW spends a dime. So their offer to Crowder was a low ball offer WAY LOW! Everyone to date that's looked at the contract all to the person has said before you even get to the dollar amount is a bad deal.
Crowder called out right wing grifters. Agree with him or not, he's certainly not a grifter He actually believes most of the stuff he says....
No he doesn't, he hides behind its comedy or a joke when he says his political options. Me saying I don't support gay marriage then when asked why go it's just a joke is cowardly. Ben shipero doesn't do that he said I hate rap then kanaya became conservative and he still hates rap crowder pretending to have allways liked his music
Lol. You're delusional
Hell Ben has consistently said I don't support gay marriage or weed. He said that before gay marriage was legal and after. Crowder when asked by rogan or anybody dodges he's not blunt about what he believes at all
You know what amazes me about this is like every single Crowder fan is saying he’s calling out big tech when Crowder is still on RUclips.
Lol dude is all grift
Christ, $50m? It’s enough to make you think you should have become a right wing grifter.
Kyle is engaged to a multi millionaire. The ultimate grift.
Is Steven Crowder wearing a muscle suit?
He usually wears dresses.
When is kyle debating rogan?
libertarians owning libertarians using libertarianism.
That’s wild
Do people prefer the Conservative, right-wing view point as they seem to have a greater audience?
Glad Kyle update the green to a more pastel color
These people are so misinformed about the timeline.
Calling them propogandists shows big bias.
Nobody is worth 5o million.
$12 million a year for 4 years is exploitative?!?!?! That's more than most cable news pundits get..
They don't pay for the entire running of their show out of that 12 million. That was the offer, he would still have had to pay for everything associated with his show, what you're thinking of is someone getting paid as an on screen personality and not a show-runner.
@@KingSaida Pfff, literally nothing about the production of Crowder's show costs even a whole percentage of 1 million, let alone 12.
@@patchwurk6652 I looked into the number of employees, and it seems like it's actually around 30. So, give each of them 20 an hour (even though that is an incredibly low estimate for the ones that appear on camera at least) and that alone would total 1.2 million. Then there's benefits which (on average) cost 16 thousand for a family or 6.5 thousand for a single person, which comes out somewhere between ~2 hundred thousand and ~5 hundred thousand. Travel to film on the street segments like "Change my Mind" or on location shoots for the show. Costume budget, regular bills (electric, water, and maybe gas), insurance on the equipment / vehicles owned by the company, etc. Run the numbers and you'd see just how quickly that money would disappear.
@@KingSaida ...Can't help but notice that your math doesn't even crack $2 million.
He was being funded $50 million. So let's say that less-than 2 million covers annual costs, that's still less than 8 million of 50 million.
So... Again, big whoop? I'm still counting 42 million left over, and "driving to a location" and getting more drag for Crowder doesn't even merit mentioning as a cost.
Sorry dude, you're not going to succeed if you're trying to make $50 million for 4 years of contract seem like anything but a sweet deal. And all Crowder has to do is "His fucking job" and he gets it.
@@patchwurk6652 So a lowballed estimate of pay and an average of benefits alone is pretty much 2 million. that was all I needed to know that you either can't read or are blinded by your dislike of either the man or his political affiliation. You wrote travel off as if it were nothing, but it isn't, traveling across the country is only part of the expense, there's also the hotel rooms, which would also come out of production costs, a per diem per employee for food, which would recur daily, security for the events, such as Change my Mind, etc. We're not having an honest conversation if you're going to try to hand-wave that away. Secondly, whether you like it or not costumes / makeup for the various skits that are played after the cold open in each episode, the ads for his sponsors, and gag interviews are a part of the production and not cheap to design and put together. You also ignored the regular bills that the studio would have to pay to keep the lights on, and with that much equipment the electric bill at least would be pretty sizable. Also, let's not forget the insurance on all of the audio equipment and cameras, which is likely to be above market value as the segments filmed in public and transporting the cameras opens them up for a higher probability of damage. You can dislike him all you want, as a matter of fact he does and says things that I vehemently disagree with, but the disingenuous way you framed your argument makes you lose all credibility.
I'm not a conservative so I don't really have a horse in this race, but I'd rather be listening to someone who doesn't moderate their speech for money.
Ayo, Unionizer Crowder arc era when? xD
How are they for the working class again?
Bro sounds nervous as hell, he’s tight and his voice is shaky.
Steven pretended to be surprised that capitalists at TDW wanted to make money off him, while virtue-signalling that it was never about money for him, without telling his audience that he counter-offered to the tune of $140M and the deal fell apart from that point on.
The fact that Kyle is shilling for DW tells you all you need to know. @RekietaLaw breaks this down better.
Crowder needs to go up a shirt size. We get it bro, you lift. Time to change out of the boys medium.
Every citizen who values morales and honesty in politics (which is more a fantasy) needs to watch out and consider how an online influencer is funded and what they stand for. The danger with personal outcomes over the hood of society is a major problem in this poor morale world.
You missed the point. It's not about capitalism ...it's about how big tech sensor Republicans. After Twitter revaluations you can't deny that happens everywhere.
Nobody is targeting conservatives, they are targeting out of date ideas. Racism and sexism and extremism. Big tech wants money and offensive extremist scammers are not conducive to Making profit.
How DARE you grift my gift?
Being having a stipulation in your contract that gives the RUclips censorship machine power over your content isn't a good thing.
It's double jeopardy.
Somebody on the left should disclose what their offer contracts look like
And yet, none of them will learn the right lessons from this.
Dude Kyle's got my exact take!!! This is hysterical!! I love Ben Shapiro he is my guy Kyle Kulinski scoring some points with me though.
Kyle, fyi, Prager U is a part of Daily Wire now.
Lol I could easily retire on 2mil.😭
Kulinski points Crowder to the sky. “Scoreboard, bidge.”
How much does Breaking Points and Secular Talk make?
50 mil for Stevie Holsters?!!!
Can't Kyle estimate his revenue would be if his channel was 6X bigger? Then he can compare that revenue stream to the deal Crowder got offered.
He can't really compare because Kyle doesn't take ad revenue. He relies only on donations. Crowder does a lot of advertising on his show. Kyle probably wouldn't even know how much that is worth. You can't 6x a donation based channel to find out what an ad based channel receives.
I guess plus sub stack subscriptions
What you either didn't say or didn't know is that the $50 million was to pay for the running and filming of the show, in addition to the roughly 20 - 25 employees that he has under him (Crowder). So for the sake of argument, divide the $50 million dollars by four years, coming out to around $12 million a year, even if he doesn't pay himself at all he still has to pay two co-hosts, several technicians to run the show, not to mention the dozens of researchers and writers, editors, costume designers for the skits. All of these things chip away at the budget for the year, if it were to drop by 25% you'd either have to cut the quality of the show or fire staff, neither of which would be good for his program in the long run. This is extremely surface level at best, and downright misleading at worst. Also, calling yourself a direct competitor to Steven Crowder when you have 1/6th of his subscribers and struggle to even hit 1/10th of his viewership (on a good day for you and a bad day for him) is laughable.
$50 million? Steven should shut up and dribble. 😂
Now do Badempanada
I think Kyle took an extra addy today Lmaoo
Great segment nonetheless 👏🏻🫶🏻
is crystal done with sagar and their show?
Chowder-brain Crowder
"The contracts were exploitative"??? But Steven, how is that possible? Capitalism always means that all parties act in their best interest. The Free Market!!! I thought it wasn't possible for power dynamics to work that way.
And that's why he didn't sign contract.....
Try again.
He didn't sign the contract.
Wow, dude.
After the revolution folks like Crowder should be put in re-education camps so they learn a thing or two about what hard work actually means.
@@jimmy11112 Yes because he has 10s of milions of dollars heavy cushion while everyday people face starvation if they refuse the contract.
Crowder: Capitalists are doing capitalisms all over our faces! *Shocked Pikachu face*
And censoring free speech!
Nick manning: I'm droppin' capitalism all over your face!!!
You don’t know what “capitalism” is do you? Him not agreeing with the contract and not signing it is literally capitalism….
Capitalists gonna Capitalize.
@@brucesalasar20 none of you know what capitalism is do you???
Listening to anti-union, "right-to-work" Steven Crowder complain about exploitative contracts is *_comedy fucking gold._*
And all while complaining about the other right-wing grifters.
Mmmuuuuuaaaahhhhhh! *_chef's kiss_*
Right to work literally means you cannot be forced to join a union or pay union dues if you're not a member. Unions are the definition of exploitative. They exploit the lazy to fund a group that doesn't really do anything until you press them hard enough. Even the largest union in the country, the NALC, doesn't actually fight for its workers/funding parties. So yes, people with a functioning brain, are anti-union.
His audience will NOT NOTICE
Are you this ignorant in public? Holy entertaining.
@@quinnrosenberg3500 His audience tend to have low IQs.
They never consider themselves being replaceable by robotic helper while serving drinks in local shitholes or driving your cars. They believe they are hardly working but god damn they deserve some respect, unlike lefties who are obviously just mooches and not in reality their own relatives who moved to different cities and escaped hellholes in mid west.
Holy shit, Jordan Peterson RETWEETED Crowder's vid? Oh my god the perfect comedic concoction has come full circle.
Lol was Peterson on the brink of tears too?
@@killmat1c Peterson cries when he pours his milk in his coffee every morning.
They both should just come out of the closet, along with Benjamina Shapiro
@@BaronBacon especially since milk reminds him of his mother
@@killmat1c lol, pill popping peterson?
Crowder needs to sign up for union membership
He should. If only protection workers wasn't so left wing... If only supporting workers and unions were not SOCIALISME!!!!!😁😁😁😆
@@chocomojo9552, these guys love socialism as long as they the ones benefiting. Same with the Wall Street. Hate socialism but love it when markets crash.
He owns everything he does. Wtf are you talking about? He had a contact with a company years ago that ended up buying the blaze, so his original contract allowed him to remain the owner of his content. Which allows him to do and say what he wants.
Yeah a union mug club.
What socialism benefited crowder?
Rational National has a video on Crowder’s previous funding. It’s from billionaires. He was never independent.
The funniest part is that crowder has played himself off as "I just make a couple bucks selling mugs, I'm not some big time rich guy funded by billionaires" 5 minutes later "ONLY 50 MILLION AND MAYBE IF I DO SOMETHING REALLY STUPID IN ONLY GET 75% OF 50 MILLION! I'M NOT SOME SLAVE!"
50 million is actually the floor money, they estimated 60 to 70 plus infrastructure cost. possibly 100 million for the 4 years plus a 2 years additional deal of some sort ... yikes, for a guy who tells minimum wages folks to go for the bbot strap when fuckedddd
You obviously didn't watch crowders video. He declined the money because of the censorship it included.
@@whatsup9260 Did you notice his 4 days workweek and paid sick days? It's hilarious listening to his rant. And something about 4 months of vacation. LOL.
50 mil over 4 years, he pays to produce the content, doesn’t own the content, and pays his staff of 25.
That wasn’t at all what he was arguing. He wants to create a space that doesn’t rely on big tech.
How do Crowder fans not consider that if billionaires want to pay him $50 million, maybe he doesn't promote their interests?
Because they are all “temporarily embarrassed millionaires”
I have actually encountered broke republicans who don't want billionaires paying taxes "Because when I'm a billionaire I don't wanna have to pay taxes!".
@@BaronVonQuiply At least that's weirdly ambitious even if still selfish. It's the dummies who work for billionaires and don't think it's fair on their bosses to ask for basic worker rights and fair pay who are absolute goons.
@@BaronVonQuiply Jesus Christ, people are actually that stupid?
@@admiralfrancis8424 My head canon is that they plan to one day invent The World's Best Beer Koozie™. Joke's on them, I trademarked it already.
Remember when he made fun about Colin kapernick when he complained about his 1 million contract?
He does this once every couple years. Set up a scenario where he is being attacked and talk about how he is a Martyr willing to go down with the ship. But his real intention is to get his audience worked up enough to donate. “I’m gonna take on the bad guys and only with your help can we win”. DeFranco did this once and promised a news network to rival CNN. He got around 5 million dollars and his only change was an extra episode once a week lol.
Phil Defranco did?!
@@rickymoen9482 must be
I am floored by these numbers. I knew the right wing grift paid but damn, I had no idea it paid that much. How disgusting.
Facts of the case:
■ The Daily Liar offered Steven Croder 50 million dollars to produce 10 episodes of a new long-form talk show (to be titled, "The Daily Croder").
■ Croder rejected the offer, citing a clause that said his descendants would be forced to work for the Daily Liar for the next 800 years.
■ Jeremy Boring of the Daily Liar released a 7 hour video in which he reads through the entire contract, highlighting its many sadistic provisions and snickering with glee.
You missed a lot more percentage pionts there bud...
This is so one sided on the presentation... Am I watching CNN! Where is Don 🍋! 🤣
Crowder should have taken the deal, he is not worth 12.5 a year. He’s so narcissistic. He’s like a child who didn’t get his way.
I like watching LWC but he does act like such a big baby sometimes. I actually prefer the show when he has a stand in host. I find him to be a bit egotistical and fake sometimes.