WHY STARLINK IS ILLEGAL IN SOUTH AFRICA!
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- #ElonMusk's @SpaceX venture, Starlink, has revolutionized internet access in many parts of the world with its constellation of low-earth orbit satellites offering high-speed, low-latency internet.
But its still not available in South Africa. So I’m here to unpack the why to you. Yes its the government but let me explain.
So what is Starlink?
Starlink boasts a constellation of thousands of low-earth orbit satellites, that are significantly closer to Earth than traditional satellites. Elon Musk through his space company #spacex has been launching these into space for years at a much faster and cheaper rate due to him having a technological advantage through his company
However, #SouthAfrica, despite its significant need for improved internet connectivity, remains absent from Starlink's operational map. But #Zimbabwe is. Many want to make it complex but It’s actually really simple.
Starlink's absence from South Africa's internet landscape is a missed opportunity for both the company and the country for the small sector of the population that it would service, but I don’t think at the current pricing Starlink makes sense to most in SA but there are those who need it.
Addressing the regulatory hurdles, navigating potential competition concerns, and focusing on the mutual benefits can unlock Starlink's potential to bridge the digital divide in South Africa in some way.
This isn’t a complex situation at all, #Starlink needs to adhere to SA laws and they need to give as much as they believe that they are going to get.
On this one I have to side with the government.
The South African government's cautious approach to Starlink reflects a stance of commitment to responsible development of SA’s industry.
While the technology offers exciting possibilities, ensuring fair competition, protecting consumers, and addressing affordability concerns like data security are crucial.
We all want better and cheaper internet but the developmental cost of that can’t burden SA in the long term.
Otherwise what's the point? Let’s chat in the comments.
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The problem with the BEE model is that it enriches the rich. There is no advantage for the poor in the BEE model.
The biggest problem is that bee required 51% black owner ship that means black owned companies only can work
the problem with german government is that it empowers the rich
@@dirkbuys6613 so what same in europe and america any black companies in europe and america
@@TitanMind1 huh??? Eish! The problem is we have too much dumb people who think they are smart.
It only works for politicians and their friends
Video summary: No bribes, no starlink.
Well said...
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What about in Zimbabwe?
If a rural farmer acquired a starlink terminal then all his/her employees would benefit from this.
Lies most of them don't even afford smart devices and are illiterate to care about internet.
Not really, they can just not give them passwords
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Is this how you think everday?
Starlink pays tax in Mozambique, and every other country as far as I am aware. That’s not a valid argument.
Some people advocate for exceptions to be made for Starlink to operate in South Africa that go against it's developmental interest. As tax is also a regulatory procedure/for development it creates opportunity where exceptions may be made. Without proper regulation it too can be evaded.
How are they paying taxes, when they are not based in those countries. Starlink works like FB, Twitter etc; operated remotely from the US with local independent distributors doing the installation. That's it. They don't set up a local office in any country, they just pay for the once off license fee and move on to the next country. Meanwhile citizens are paying for their service every month with their govts getting little to nothing in return. Starlink is bad for developing countries and their telecommunications industries and that's why so many are refusing them entry.
They have not applied for a license in SA
Add tax plus vat on top of R8,700. That's crazy pricing for internet service. I wish to know what people want to do with this internet service that costs as much as a car or a small house.
@@patriciamtsi2909 That is the point these people dont see, they will also be the people asking why jobs are hard to find when every product is imported , Mozambique is the loser in this case as its the one with not utilizing its human capital choosing to get crumbs instead of ownership
If BEE actually uplifted the people out of poverty it would make sense, but it's only for a selected few, those who already looted billions will be the shared owners of Starlink in S.A and that is the problem.
I will never not thank this guy for everything he does for us
Agreed, what MR musk has done is amazing. Danko
The day they hit u with internet "loadshedding" you will beg Musk for help.. Just bring the damn thing here!
Elon is way to generous to be doing this out if the goodness of his heart.
There is an Agenda. We should stop looking at things at the surface but deeper than what they are.
Follow Elons US story and you will see how these things are all connected.
@@FirstResponders.. Exactly, all the regulation is stupid. It should be up to the customers to decide, not the government. If I like their terms and conditions then I sign up, it's that simple
You guys are having whole arguments about Elon Musk meanwhile wholetime Im trying to give Mooshtaffa flowers
While the rest of the world is being connected online, South Africa is stuck in bureaucracy. Is is sad and maddening at the same time.
You are so funny
Totally agree with you. Our government seems to love to move backwards
Alas, not just bureaucracy -- active nepotism.
Then move to Europe?
@@justrandom4304 our best skilled people are already all over the world and getting a better taste of life,other than what South Africa gives.
I encourage South Africans to put their skills at work elsewhere. South African government has milked everybody and expect us to be grateful.
I've signed up and paid deposit for Starlink once its available in RSA - reasoning was reliability. Our municipality like many others don't maintain crucial infrastructure - every time a water pipe breaks in the area, the fibre gets damaged during the repair process when they replace 1m of the water reticulation that is on its last legs. We've had 3 months without fibre connection in the last year; so it unfortunately comes down to business contingency. You ultimately have to be self sustained in this country. this includes generating your own electricity, own water and ultimately own mobile data connection... We are truly moving towards a scenario where you must be able to live completely off-Grid. This is unfortunately our current reality. I would know, this is how my company makes money in this country - we help our customers to get self-sustained and taking control of their lives again. Elon is no stranger to legislation and red tape - imagine all the red tape to launch one rocket to space... some greedy politically connected hands wanted something absurd without adding any value. Corruption, RSA's silent killer.
Elon doesn't need South Africa , too much trouble .
To hell with that man!
Look around, is there an Elon here? Yet we still live, probably cos we don't need him either
@@lawlesskingza look up , his satellites are over your head and you could get good internet from them , but South Africa wont allow you to .
@@johnmills9360 are you saying we should abandon our laws because its elon ?
@@Muso_Cakes is Elon going to change ?
The problem with BBEEE is why should someone get 30 or 40% just because of colour.something they didn't create but just want to own it. This makes a lot of people to expect to always get something for nothing. By this people will never be creative. They never build their own brands or else ext.
This is black culture for you....
But white people got a lot in this country by their colour of their skin
I dont believe in that project because of corruption.. But we can not reduce its purpose to just "black".. All that in the context of white only privilages during minority rulling.. And apartheid systems.. Is justified..rightfully It should continue for the next century.. But in the current events, it seems to be a backwards project and should end it is only beneficial to politicians
You see the problem is not creativity or as you see it or gaining from where the south Africans have not toiled...infact should musk agree for that 30% inclusion even through terms of agreed investments and decision making I believe he would be allowed to operate but no that is not the plan he wishes to undermine existing businesses through hostile take overs do not forget other businesses such as Vodafone or Vodacom have a right for fair business operations
So true
Frankly the fact that Starlink is illegal is actually a crime which affects the poor rural people and bussinesses.
Government has small minded thinking capability only..
Starlink services can provide many jobs in SA through entrepeneurship. Rural areas will have service. Security is a joke of a excuse (how much security is on the internet that cannot be bypassed)
Tax revenue will increase as Starlink service will create jobs.
The benefits to education and small bussinesses in rural areas are huge.
Weird starlink is the only service provider in the world not willing to abide by the requirements of South Africa. If they don't want to abide there's no need for their services. We know one thing a new company will emerge provide the same or better services then it will be a loss to starlink. Tesla currently cannot handle the new EVs coming into the world market. Tesla used to dominate but now competition is at their door. Sometimes ignorance and being stubborn will hit Elon and his companies hard.
@@serioustalkwithbhudax no it won't, as it stands, there's no alternative to starlink for people who live on the land with a slow connection, south africans are shooting themselves in the foot.
@@serioustalkwithbhudaxStarlink is surveillance satellites that your billionaire Oppenheimer fears with South Africa losing billions of taxes to European banks every year. The financially educated know that Anglo American are the founding partners of billionaire Oppenheimer who founded, owns and controls the South African Reserve Bank as a private shareholder company, with the forever rigged ZAR currency tied to the economic hitman currency US dollar, on the systems of recycling for IMF insurance bailouts to please international investors. The South African Reserve Bank, and ZAR currency was never built to serve your people, in the Apartheid era foreign investors in the country were targeted in "robberies gone wrong" for their asset based insurance that the banks profited on in recycling, the BEE has also been targeted in the high crime rate South Africa because they buy homes and have life cover insurance. Every financially educated person knows this about the corrupt South African Reserve Bank (SARB) which controls the South African economy, especially after the former non-executive director of the SARB, Stephon Goodson became a whistleblower, then mysteriously died. Errol Musk keeps majority of his funds outside of South Africa because he knows how the SARB works to not serve the people. Best learn from the outcastes instead of thinking you're special in South Africa that was not built on the late Queen of England's fairy dust with the fairy tales you tell yourself, your ignorance is your bliss while your people are poor with the over R6 trillion national debt as a slow-cooking pot so that Oppenheimer can forever cash in on IMF insurance bailouts, if a civil war breaks out they get double. Also, with the ZAR currency tied to the economic hitman currency US dollar, the US dollar global crisis is going to affect the ZAR economy while your wealthy white-monopoly has safety nets abroad!
"If the head of the fish is rotten, the rest of the body rots" - The SMART Chinese Proverb
There you go introducing logic into a debate about nepotism.
@@serioustalkwithbhudax What new service will be better than them?
What other company owns reuseabe rockets and has in-house cutting edge AI and battery expertise to bring to this fight?
Starlink will dominate and SA will be left in the dust by our neighbours who are choosing an educated future for its citizens over a corrupt clique positioning to get richer.
I must say, I completely disagree with you on this one. I'll go through my points in the order they were presented in the video.
Firstly, the Zimbabwe example is irrelevant. Starlink provides its services, and how a government chooses to distribute those services is on the government. Every country has its own methods, and I don't see how this is relevant to South Africa. In fact, it only highlights the corruption in many African countries.
Moving on, Starlink offers wide coverage, high download and upload speeds, and low latency. This means that customers who are interested in their services have those specific needs, whether personal or business-related. This refutes the point about rural communities or people who cannot afford it; Starlink simply isn't for everyone. Let's keep that in mind.
Regarding licensing, Starlink is currently supported in over 70 countries (last time I checked) and is still expanding. For the most part, they adhere to international regulations. In South Africa's case, we don't have the service due to our own rigid policies, effectively making it "illegal." If we think critically, how is it that Starlink meets international regulations but isn't acceptable in South Africa? There are, of course, some nuanced exceptions, but let's dive deeper.
I'm skipping past the Broad-Based Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) discussion because it has supposedly been beneficial, yet it's 2024 at the time of writing this comment. I don't believe BEE is the reason we don't have Starlink.
The issue of cost is also a non-issue. It's not a cheap internet option and is not meant for everyone. There are many people willing to pay for it, evident from the lengths they're willing to go to (even surpassing what it would cost) just to get their hands on one.
Yes, countries should protect their people, but South Africa does not have a well-regulated market. This is the main reason why I disagree across the board.
The primary reasons we don't have Starlink are:
1. It will disrupt the current monopolistic internet service providers (ISPs), which (a) promise a service they don't deliver, (b) lock customers into contracts they can't get out of even when the service isn't delivered aspromised, (c) breach privacy and sell data to third parties, (d) spam customers with third-party marketing, and (e) to top it off, charge you for it and an additional amount just because.
2. Starlink won't feed the greedy bellies the way traditional ISPs do.
These ISPs have heavily invested in infrastructure that cannot compete with this technology. Now that Starlink is at our doorstep, they'll do anything to stop it. It's not what the government wants you to believe. They will keep milking the situation at your expense. Before you know it, they've taken away your freedom (freedom of choice, freedom of privacy), and you will unknowingly praise them for it.
I know you and your viewers are smart enough to think critically and understand that this is my viewpoint. We discuss these topics to find ways that work for us, which is why I follow this channel, but I disagree on this one.
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Accurate
BEE is not benefiting the poor. The guy sitting in his his rural home in Mpumalanga doesn't benefit from BEE. BEE has already accomplished it's goals. It's been 30 years now, time to start winding it down.
Our current ISPs (and every other major companies) have bloated top level management to ensure BEE compliance. This is very expensive which makes all products and services more expensive and in the end gets passed down to the consumer. So if you get rid of BEE the prices on almost everything in the country will go down having ripple effects on everything in the economy and shrinking the wage difference between rich and poor. This includes data prices.
BEE has also ensured the monopolies exists by raising the barrier to entry into any market segment and monopolies does make things more expensive. Economy 101 is that competition is good and the less competition the higher the prices.
Starlink is actually for the poor. The internet ISP's don't service the rural areas where most of our poor population is sitting because of the cost of installing connections over long distances. If one or two people with 'some money' in the rural areas club together they can create wifi hotspots and resell the Starlink connections over bigger areas to share the cost. Empowering the poorer communities and connecting them. This will create thousands of small businesses and kickstart micro economies inside the rural areas. Communication is one of the backbones of the modern economy.
All of the above is wrong I am a South African, and the only reason is Elon Musk refuses to pay the bribes our Government wants.
Our Government want Starlink to sign over 60% of its business to our Government and money hungry pirates.
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Some valid points, sure. But you cannot blame Musk. He is a free marketeer who abhores DEI and BEE. These woke, cadre deployment and cronyism policies are deterrents to progress and the reason Africa remains poor. By all means, he can engage with ICASA but not to feed the trough of lazy, greedy, self serving politico. A stable coalition government will attract international investment to help curb inflation, as the stronger Rand already indicates
Then he must accept that we have laws here. And South Africans must also accept that fact
The way Zim breaks these things down for us is invaluable man.. You're feeding the streets fam!! THANK YOU!!
You know this Ty 👌🏾😉 have to keep people informed. Always!
PROBLEM: NO kickback from Starlink to the SA government!!!😢
Yes! They wanted the same in Zim and Musk showed them a middle finger and the deal was signed by the Vice President whilst the president was out of the country, much the same way Econet got the licence when Mugabe was on leave!🤣
I don't see starlink working in South Africa with that prices
The more people use the service, the cheaper it gets.
This applies for any product or service, due to supply and demand.
Exactly we already we already have South African internet companies which are way cheaper. People are paying less than R500 for unlimited internet. No need for stalink
@@armandslabbert5493 Yes, but if the baseline cost is too much for most consumers then they can't crack into the market which dependends on a large majority of users to operate. The demand isn't just fast Internet but an affordable one and there are alternative affordable options(Telkom, Vodocam, etc.) for SA consumers to lean/hold on too.
Their bandwidth is very high though so. Like you stream 8 4k videos at once
@@armandslabbert5493 never ....these companies are greedy
Honestly for me, starlink can change my life. I come from the most rural part of Limpopo, none of these current companies provide solutions and I really don't care about them.
Which part Limpopo where internet is not provided...
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My curiosity as well.
I'm in Limpopo. Which part of South Africa?
@@jansethmonyepao9759 sekhukhune, ga nchabeleng. But I work and stay in jhb
The Chinese provided cheaper faster network through Huawei the Chinese will bring more affordable internet
Nah bro, those with money will buy star link. I don't get your argument about it being too pricey and then jiki jiki you don't want it to compete with other established companies. We need this thing, we know what we'll do with it. Don't make decisions for us. Competition is not a crime.
As someone who travels to remote South Africa, Starlink will be nice if you can have internet in the remote farm lands between towns. Imagine camping in the middle of the Karoo and having no cell reception.
I hope your friends, MaG and Sol will see your video as they had a very ignorant view on this subject!
Naah man relax dont be shallow
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@@Pringle_Lifestyle 100%
i remmember rise mzansi leader saying that the anc blocked starlink because they against progress
thank you mr vabaza for unpacking the issue
No such thing why are they not complying
No it's Ramaphosa, Pravin and the stellenbosch mafia coz they part of Vodacom, MTN and other networks
ANC is interested with deals that benifit the comrades only.
All the regulation is stupid. It should be up to the customers to decide, not the government. If I like their terms and conditions then I sign up, it's that simple
@@prinka2096 nope that’s how they take advantage of other African countries
Bro you should do you research star link can connect around 250 people to the internet, which mean only around $2 a month or R30. Its was not really for one person but for many.
Please do your research next time.
I have gone through ther website multilpe times are you factoring the price of hardware as well ? and no mention of concurent connections allowed please share link
@@Muso_Cakes Seriously? Starlink has a WiFi router with it, which can accept many connections like any other WiFi router on earth.
@@PinchOfLuck the residentail entry package is almost R6000 for the hardware and R1500 monthly subscritpion so please justify the R30 pe person as per initial comment. are we considering range in this equation i dont know a residentail property with 250 people in it.
@@Muso_Cakes I don't know the monthly cost in your country. BUT like I said, it is based on the piece of the pie Internet provider in that country takes on top of what Starlink charges. As far as up front cost of the device, Starlink antenna with its router is a custom made piece of electronics which is produced in smaller volume and not comparable to off the shelf tech. It is motorized and it automatically finds satellites'. It has a heater inside so it melts snow,... etc. So there is no going around the initial cost until the rate of adoption reaches many millions across the world.
Already implementing that on Zimbabwe for schools and Community WiFi.
Use commercial grade router / ap that can connect up to 1024 end users.
Also you can share your like with say four or your neighbours
They are an international company. They have no need to adhere to our rules. So simple, they dont come and we lose.
South Africa loses nothing even other countries like south Korea they are also not getting any action there. Any company that does not provide jobs to south africans has no right to do any business in south africa the more that policy is done the more we money stays in south africa. They can keep themselves wherever they are south africa will still win.
@@vanhuvanhuvese2738That is small minded thinking. Starlink services can provide many jobs in SA through entrepeneurship. Rural areas will have service. Security is a joke of a excuse (how much security is on the internet that cannot be bypassed)
Tax revenue will increase as Starlink service will create jobs.
The benefits to education and small bussinesses in rural areas are huge.
Our government only looks as far as their pockets period.
BBBEEE is a SA thing, not an international law (other countries realise that its a system that smothers bussinesses) and its actually illegal.
Government is short sighted, small minded have no insight and has zero bussiness sense.
@@vanhuvanhuvese2738 💯 percent
The very same website that you are typing this on adheres to SA Data laws, Data protection is a government funtion
@@Muso_Cakes Tell them companies like Microsoft Mecedes benz Toyota Aglo American all obey south African laws like BEE and employment equity.
South Africa's bureaucracy and unreasonable regulations still keeping S.A an analog player in a digital world. So much for 👃🏾's 4th industrial revolution...🙄
The price of the kit here in Mozambique is about 20K mzn about 380USD and the price of subscription starts at 3k mzn about 48USD.
The price of GB is 30mzn 0.48USD.
This...people must do their research before talking every country it going to be different lol
@@chrisrama7 the problem is the cost of the actual hardware that drives up the price of the kit + taxes and shipping.
Mobile data is actually well prized here, for example I bought a bundle of 12Gb data + unlimited calls and text for 30 days at a price of 600mzn = $9.6usd.
@FranceManhique yes that true
This thing is easy. We have a problem, so the telecoms industry must be incentivised to reach the far reach areas, and Starlink contacted also to propose a solve. A little competition will add some speed into business, fast track technology and infrastructure. The existing telecoms industry do as they please, at their slow speed so they can maximise profits because they have no competition or incentive to do better, fair business for the people they serve.
Do not worry, other companies are going to offer satelite internet soon, probably launched by Elon. The market is gaining traction.
If you have a couple of households in poor communities putting their money together they can share a Starlink connection. Then it becomes much cheaper!
South Africa is a tiny market for Starlink -- we're insignificant and irrelevant as a business prospect.
Starlink to SA and our education, economy, safety and security, infrastructure budgets and maintenance, entrepreneurship.... everything -- is incalculable.
This is a massive imbalance. They don't need us, we desperately need them. Our idiotic, short-sighted, scaventer-minded government is not hurting Starlink with its ban -- it's retarding the progress of our citizens and hope for tomorrow.
So that's the stark choice -- ideology and nepotism (which is the real reason for the ban) vs. progress.
Which will the SA government choose?
It's obvious. They'll stick to nepotism for the few and screw the future for everyone.
More competition = More choice. With more competition the price is generally reduced. So more affordable in the long run. The Word economy will be based in the internet. Digital Nomads, working remotely, RUclipsrs and more.
As a swazi, I wondered why our country was so quick to grant Starlink a license to operate yet RSA was/is hesitant, this video definitely shared some much needed insight. The security of data transmitted through these satellites is definitely questionable. And if anything, I just feel like musk is on the way to having access the entire globe’s data which is v disturbing 😬
Kodwa yeDlamini, the way internet is so expensive Eswatini, it's crazy. I'm considering moving away from the current provider to starlink.
If you are using a Huawei product to access the internet your data is already compromised.
Better him then your Government.
Exactly I'm also a swazi and I've been questioning Elon for some time now I won't lie I was a fan at first but as time progresses, I question some of elons practices particularly in regards to personal information, Elon purchased twitter an unprofitable organisation not only that but was willing to let advertisers leave when uncensoring the platform now people can post porn and many explicit content on X, further more his venture Neurolink in which implants are inserted in the brains of people and the can control gadgets using the mind not only that Elon can have access to the thoughts, many people seem to overlook it but Tesla has the potential to collect very sensitive personal info with cameras placed everywhere they can easily monitor who you spend time with, who you talk with and what you talk about, places you visit and many more he has also hinted on turning X into a super app which is an app that allows people to do everything from chatting, to making payments, booking rides and so much more on one platform. If you pay attention you can't help but wonder why Elon is doing this he has said he doesn't care about money and infact most of his projects aren't too focused on profit which raises the question why is he doing this? Many have speculated Elons is the Anti Christ and if you make links you can't help but notice similarities in him and the way The Anti christ is described
you dont know what you're talking about
You're wrong about the monthly subscription costs. In Zambia it costs around US$40 (R700) per per month, Rwanda it's 48000rwf which is about $38. In Zimbabwe, it will cost about the same.
Still begs the same question though, can the rural poor in those countries afford those prices? Because in SA they defined can't. 1 of their selling cards is that they are connecting the rural communities to the internet. How, when they won't be able to afford your internet?
@@patriciamtsi2909 can a rural poor in south Africa afford the current internet price rate? We shouldn't be looking at it from a point of affordability but rather accessibility. Once there is competition in the market, the prices are guaranteed to drop. Just a little over 5years ago Fibre internet was over 1K now you can get it just below R500
Swaziland and Botswana is R910 and that’s for the basic package of 50mbs. I pay R799 for a 400mbs fibre line
In short, Starlink does not pass the pencil test.
People say the prices are expensive but in other African countries people are splitting the prices over 5 -6 users. While if your a farm or mining operation outside major towns the price is easily payable
quite interesting how brokers are always in-between businesses even when they have nothing to offer. It is funny, starlink can be used anywhere, even in Antarctica without a license.
We already have different satellite internet providers. Why not another one? They could serve rural communities. A group can get together to pay and share the costs.
Up to 254 devices can connect to one Starlink router. If there is a will Starlink can partner with a local reseller to provide WiFi access to Starlink routers in remote, underserved areas. A VPN can be used to protect the data from foreign actors.
The production and services of South Africans must be protected at all costs. The must be even taxed more
foreign companies are paying higher taxes in South Africa if they don't manufacture in the country
Broeh are you rich or you don't know the price of data?
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@@sifisonkonzo356 and that is good thing
Says an extremely financially uneducated person who doesn't know that your billionaire Oppenheimer Gods founded, owns and controls your South African Reserve Bank as a private shareholder company, with the forever rigged ZAR currency always qualifying for IMF insurance bailouts, keeping Africans poor in the over R6 trillion national debt -- while at the same time financial online media reveals the country loses billions of taxes to European banks. You think South Africa was built to serve you when more that 70% of South Africans are poor. You fight against Starlink surveillance satellites for your Oppenheimer Gods who don't give a jack about you, your only value to them is your BEE asset based insurance in the high crime rate South Africa with "robberies gone wrong"!
10:17 why would they not pay tax? Also Starlink will actually be cheaper. The problem is this. We provide internet to low income households the fibre link is the most expensive part. Starlink would be 10th of the cost and would allow us to provide internet in rural areas which at the moment is VERY HARD.
SA needs Starlink ... Starlink does not need SA. why should they kowtow to SA ... cost of data because monopolies is ridiculous
We don't need starlink sir
Anyway he does not see himself South Africa. We don't need those kind of people here
@@samkelomvelase9328 Tell that to the millions of poor South Africans paying exorbitant data costs and lacking opportunities to connect and develop. As well as all those unemployed people missing out on the job opportunities it would have provided
@@ryanstephen120 as if starlink is a cheaper option 👀
@@samkelomvelase9328they are relentless once they push a common agenda.
I'm from Mozambique 🇲🇿, and I always wonder why we got starlink before SA 😂... Like come on Elon is South African... South African leaders are jealous I guess
Don't pretend we need to protect local internet. Give people options. If it's expensive people won't use it.
Every provider should still follow local regulations and laws
and they must pay tax
@@siphomakama3269 Yes. I agree.
And if the product as good as it is, is not economically viable for the intended market then it is proper governance to apply bureaucracy.
Why are you saying “if” the numbers were given and actually they are expensive
we need to imagine a world of small government whose only obligation is safety and security.
Corruption,Greed ,Bribery = Idiocy
Great explanation, mooshtaffa! Your breakdown of why Starlink is illegal in South Africa was clear and insightful. Keep up the good work-content like this is really valuable for those of us looking to understand these complex issues better without going to the main stream media. Looking forward to more of your videos!
Thank you. I appreciate the feedback. Means a lot. I’ll keep pushing.
BBEE is the reason why starlink is not in SA
Lies!
Zim also subject foreign companies to a give certain percentage of shares to locals. Something is fishy in RSA
@@bongamawela6339its the truth sheeeeeeit we was kangs
As a Starling user ! Fantastic system ! Far better than anything else available .
I have never been at a place in SA where I wish I had starling. Our internet infrastructure is already very good
You just satisfied to stay a primitive.
Very simple.
True economic freedom comes from adding value, not money for nothing partnerships.
It's ok we can be the only country in the world without it 💪
12:44 Data residency is not a problem. Considering that there are other satellite providers this has already been addressed, and it is reasonably easy to address this with starlink.
Its very simple. Musk created a product being Starlink. It is up to you if you want to buy it or not. Musk is not forcing anybody to do anything. No government can force an international company to comply with its corrupt procurement processes. The bigger picture is lost here, the government could make Starlink accessible to its rural communities via schools/clinics/etc. and encourage online learning. That is the way of the future. Either you keep up with future AI developments or you stay stuck in 3rd world living conditions. Starlink doesn't need to do anything. We need him, he doesn't need us.
Obviously you have white privilege u will say that....
Its called disruption and there is nothing you can do by standing still.
My thoughts exactly on this topic, why should StarLink get special/preferential treatment. No compliance, not operation. Love your content by the way.
Extortion! thats why. Why should MUSK subject himself to government extortion, he does not need it, so screw SA, if SA wants to keep voting for criminals like ANC then they deserve the darkness.
All the regulation is stupid. It should be up to the customers to decide, not the government. If I like their terms and conditions then I sign up, it's that simple
💯 honestly if the company cannot abide by our laws then they should not be allowed to trade here. Simple.
@@prinka2096no. regulation are there to protect local markets and the customers as well. All countries do this. Nothing new here.
@@trza100 - its legalized bribery, and you are okay with that. Same with the TV licences - legalized extortion.
People will only hover towards this service where other service providers fail and do not provide coverage. Its price is a big barrier to entry. If someone can afford it and do not have any other options, why prevent them from having a service altogether?
Am I the only one whenever I am watching this podcast, I always have a note pad next to me.
Elon has nothing to loose here he is a billionaire.Its the South African Government thats is thinking emotional instead of focusing on growing the country.
Technological innovation is always a disruption factor. Regulations never die
Setting up a Starlink Gateway in South Africa will improve Starlink internet for the SADC region as well benefit the industry by local ISP providing internet to Starlink . Starlink mini is about to be rolled out, it will be half the price for the hardware as well monthly internet
Thank you Sir, i actually needed this deep dive.
Pleasure... happy to have made it clearer
@mooshtaffa Yihlo, can you maybe do a deep dive on the misconceptions about the South African National debt? I could be wrong, but the narrative that our national debt excessive is grossly misunderstood...more than happy to assist or provide detail as to why I think it's important to address. Ngasbini!
"I have to side with government..."
One tends to immediately lose all credibilty when voicing support for the entity that has been sucking South Africa dry of its wealth and potential for 25 years.
Progress in this sector will only occur now through massive market disruption, one cannot change a captured and corrupted system from within.
We are currently going through this in eSwatini - and yes, it is creating some job loss on the part of those companies that have been taking advantage of a captive market for years - now they are forced to become competitive, and after less than a year, all telecommunications companies here are drastically dropping their prices.
knowing just how corrupt the ANC is. Seeing just who has benefitted from BBBEE. This explanation seems simplistic and very much like propaganda. That said,much he said is valid.
My thought exactly 🙌🏾
Correct - propaganda at it's best - the greedy politicians must take the blame - starlink is the safest option like a VPN - it's all about control (track and trace)
Problem is that DA (markets)want to get rid of BEE,they don't want it,maybe its all connected to big businesses that are against everything to do with government but they're supporting everything to do with privatization.
But to my understanding Starlink was available in South Africa but left this year due to Elon Musk's refusal to give 30% of his company away to the "previously disadvantaged," basically BEE... and seeing that I think that's the reason why Shell is also devesting from South Africa. I know this will be controversial and hard for some but I don't support BEE. I think South Africans and not just that but Africans today are in a best position ever to show the world that we can also do it ourselves without charity from anyone else.
It's not charity it's reparations..! Logically justified.
Reparations for what? He is from US, manufactures everything there, provides a service which we have no claim to in terms of creating it. Some however want the service, let them have it if they can afford it.
@@BertelsApplianceRepairsMidrand Reparations for what eh... Elon Musk is a South African to begin with and they still want him to do that, we should be happy that he is flying our flag high, that's not fair don't you think?
@@Will-bT_3 So why do you think Elon left South Africa? Why not develop it here?
@@StevenWooding it's simple my friend, America it's a country that knows how to recognise talent and also to how nurture it, unlike what you have in South Africa. If you want to start something and have worldwide impact I will tell you to move to the us where you will find everything you need to be successful and everyone can do today despite skin colour.
Respectfully, I think Elon has created a system that significantly cut out the middle man. South Africa is still 10-15 years behind in technology. StarLink can be mobile and you will have free data charges everywhere you go unless you are not connected to your starlink modem! I understand Elons vision. Unfortunately there's too many people who are too invested into old systems and they need to make their money back from it.
There is nowhere in the African continent where they’ve cut out the middle man. In Botswana they have a “BEE” agreement to sell through Paratus in Zimbabwe they just signed with a “BEE” agreement to sell through Sir Wickell but come to South Africa now they are allergic to BEE deals??? GTFOH man
South African networks are like eskom and transnet and SAA. Starlink is used by government officials while we don't have coverage.
Zimasa has to be my greatest discovery this year!🙏🏿🙌🏿
So much pressure 😁😁😁🙏🏾
The cost of Starlink is also something I haven't seen people factor in when they make the argument that it could help a lot of people, I mean for the subscription fee Starlink is asking for you could get a gigabyte line in some areas. And if Starlink won't bother with applying for a license why is this even a topic that has people so riled up.
On the other hand I don't see how BBBEE has helped the people it was intended to, maybe this is something you could do a video on. Whom if anyone has benefited from the laws and have they worked anywhere else in the world?
@@MrXolaX the question is where in the world have these laws made a difference for the people they are meant to help? Have they helped "Black" people in SA? look at the unemployment and inequality stats
BEE has helped it could have been better but still any black person knows what it was like without BEE
@@vanhuvanhuvese2738 No, you do not settle for less just because, it is better than Nothing, this is the reason Africa is not respected at all in the first place. Elon musk, this is the country that raised him but doesn't want to apply for the license..... It is not important....this is not the era of shortchanging people or countries anymore.....he cannot do that in America, why in Africa....
He found out he was an African after he was not I voted to the white house for selling more electric cars ..America puts its own first at all cost.... Short changing people for the next 30years.... absolutely no!!!!
ICASA is doing nothing to bring prices down
We really appreciate you Sir...Thank you
Government would rather poor people in rural areas not have internet if they can’t get money under the table
Now that DA will be running the country, they will scrap BEE and star link will operate freely 😊
You think Cyril will allow that when he got shares at MTN? Also Telkom is owned by government at they will be the largest hit
The only reason it's not legal in south Africa because the cellphone and other fiber company will shut down so I believe they have influenced movement policy to ban it but they will not be able to do it for long
Last time i had it costs $200 a month for subscription, i don't get the cry cz the everage person can't afford it in South Africa
That's R3800 in SA. It too much for a Country that has more that 60% Unemployment. WITH Startlink coming in while challenges like this haven't been solved could worsen the situation. We are not ready yet for that, our government is not ready. Rushed decision could further collapse SA weak economy
What has happened in Zimbabwe is that the providers of existing internet services... Have had to reduce their service charges, when Starlink was licensed. This is a huge benefit to the citizens of this Country. If the Government desire to reduce the costs of Starlink services to rural communities they can subsidise this cost. Businesses in rural communities can form internet hubs, thus reducing the costs and availability to the rural communities.
It's only 900 rands per month subscription and kit sets for 6800 rand these days
Which country is that in ? Please send link
@@mooshtaffa
Zambia's price is R570 pm with the equipment costing R7,200
Democratic Alliance will appoint Minister of Communication. Let’s see if they get Starlink into South Africa and whether they will force data and airtime prices to drop.
Competition is good for everyone.
You missed the part where south Africa wanted thirty percent of star link south Africa
The third option, starlink just ignores south africa.
Given BBBEE we obviously do NOT know how to do business in this country
Finally I subscribed. Vital information 😊
By the way Musk has refused to work with Chivhayo and anyone politically connected in Zimbabwe and chose to work with a 25 year old upcoming business person who installs satellite systems and who applied for a Starlink franchise in 2016. Great news for Zimbabeeans it's a blessing.
Starlink isn’t for South Africa 🇿🇦 🤷🏾♂️ it isn’t viable and they don’t wanna adhere to our laws!
Shut up ignorance 🙄 at its best
Nothing is for South Africa. Everything will be abused, vandalised, taxed and stolen here.
Also it's not a tax issue. We already pay tax when we import goods from places like Amazon. So we would still pay tax for our subscription services.
We can almost tell who are the people who would disregard the law in the country because they can afford it.
It's a stupid law. You guys just want shit for free
You also need to take into account that many of the major service providers aren’t able to provide a stable internet connection which in itself is hurting many of our private citizens and companies that rely on it for an income. Allowing Starlink to come in would cause a shift yes, but it would provide necessary, competent competition.
Broer i appreciate your work jeeeer
I'm embracing starlink with both my hands.
It's a future n it comes with price
Starlink must never come to South Africa
It can come, It won't survive, We paying way too much for data as it is
Am a Zambian whose stayed in South aftrica for only two months. One south Africa has very expensive data plans on all the service providers whilst here in zambia you can get a 10GB for K10. K10 is equivalent to 6.7 rand. Its to this reason to that statlink is cheaper here
DA will want Starlink I tell you, because it doesn't care if people lose jobs.
Since when does the ANC care about people loosing jobs😮😮😂😂
@@lawrencenannes4260 Selfish ANC is funded by Oppenheimer it doesn't care also, But it's better not allowing Starlink to protect more unemployment, Selfish DA will never even think twice.
@@lawrencenannes4260thank you
DA wants to increase jobs 😂
They won't vodacom and mtn with block that road . guys we have our own internet provider s we don't need these foreign companies and they are more fiber companies that u can pay from 399 to 1000 depending on the speed u want those in rural areas can but signal boosts
Just imagine what this would have done for rural areas but NO THE ANC wanted to steal money
You are right about the disruptions of the current businesses
Your arguments are not cogent. Starlink is expensive you say so how do they pose a threat to the likes of Vumatel who is an order of magnitude more affordable that Starlink. You want fair competition yet in the same breath you dont want Starlink to disrupt the market??? The market will go where it perceives the greatest value and return on investment. You say that the poor will not be able to afford Starlink so what do you expect, must Starlink subsidize their service? There is no free lunch.
You say the introduction of Starlink will result in job losses with other tier 1 carriers. That is called offering e better mouse trap that the market needs. If it does not and Starlink's price is to high then Starlink will fail. There are options open to consumers.
South Africa has a vast and expansive rural area with mines, commercial farms and schools that Tier 1 carriers cannot reach or reach effectively. The rural areas have at best unreliable internet service with high down time and high latency which mitigates against using Cloud Computing services. So what is your solution to stimulate our already stagnant/failing economy in rural areas? More of the same?
I also dont think Starlink wants to enter the SA economy in unregulated form. I am convinced they see the necessity of technical compliance however i dont think they want to be saddled by unreasonable demands by the cadres.
At least i agree on regulatory approval at least were technicalities are concerned. For the rest in terms of BBBE i do not agree. BBBE has for the most part been the surrendering of shares to an elitist and political connected group. The shares are not paid for up front but demanded as a toll fee by the elite and connected in order to operate. Dont even try and deny that this is the case. I will welcome any person that is previously disadvantaged (not only black which is another issue i have. What about our Coloured and Indian compatriots. Why does BBBE exclude them?) to partake preferentially in a venture like Starling BUT then they must:
1. Be able, qualified and experienced to play a meaningful role in the company. After 30 years there surely is a great deal of talent in the " previously disadvantaged" pool. I dont think that Vusi Thembekwayo is the only brilliant black entrepreneur we have.
2. Pay for the 30% up front and not try and pay for the shares out of future profits.
With respect your arguments are seated in a form of a centralist, socialist economy whereas mine is based on an open and free market system championed by Milton Freedman. I am afraid that socialism is a dead philosophy that has a proven track record of failure. Its instincts are noble but negates the basics instincts of man... to work and be justly rewarded for his/her labour.
Also 8 other african countries can afford starlink, but it is to expensive for SA, I say it is the BS on goverment side why we don't have starlink
Did this guy just say to bring a foreign company to South Africa they would have to give a 30% stake of the locally registered entity to a black person in South Africa? Imagine that said company has some intellectual property or other trade secrets that they would then have access to. This sounds like a good way to ensure you fall behind, or most likely in this case stay behind technologically and economically.
Please explain your reasoning. How would 30% ownership by black people slow down the company? Does anyone track or care about the racial makeup of shareholders in companies in the US? What is the source of your concern?
“Ownership or management positions”, I think the latter would apply in this context
It might help to understand the BBBEE laws. The law is simply terms simply says partner with locals to ensure they benefit as well. Not to come here and make all the money and disappear. Just get understand how that works.
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@misterharryman why should it have black ownership?
well according to Moore's law every piece of technology should become cheaper by time
I was also wondering why Starlink could not legally operate in South Africa, until you mentioned that they were not going to abide by the BEE rules. Now I am an even greater admirer of Elon Musk for not giving in to corrupt officials and the South African government. BEE has served its purpose (whatever that was), and most wealthy South Africans have already left the country (and took their money with them), so it is probably now time to stop this BEE nonsense.
Unfortunately, with the level of stupidity in our government, I suspect we are going to have slow and unreliable internet for the foreseeable future.
the job opportunities that will come with star link , vote Elon for pres
Thank you for explaining this cause the message we are getting was miss leading now we understand and know better...
are we trying to solve wifi in 2024 ? While the world is building ai
we are super screwed.