@@thevikckick The problem is that hearing parents think the implant and speech therapy will "fix" their child. That they will no longer be "deaf" but just a little hard of hearing and hence they should be mainstreamed in public school with no sign language, not taught sign language and treated like a hearing child. But they are NOT a hearing child and them learning spoken language is a bit like you learning Korean or Chinese at the age of 40. Sure, you could do it, but it would take a massive amount of effort and would never be as easy to understand or as comfortable as your native tongue, nor would you ever pass as "one of them". Sure, there is a benefit to them learning to interact by speaking and lip reading to the best of their ability, but parents should receive a lot of counselling before getting these implants for their children, so they understand that the child is still deaf and the implant is NOT a replacement for sign language I keep hearing that children with autism are not broken...well, neither are deaf child. But they speak best with their hands and you will reduce a lot of frustration and unhappiness by using sign language and using deaf schools at least for preschool. Not everyone must be mainstreamed and pressed into that mould of what we think our children should be.
As HOH w/HA looking at implant. I know I will never be part of the Deaf culture. If you've ever been in the hearing world, it's not like you can just decide you want to embrace your deafness and be accepted into the Deaf culture. It's not like that. You either hear or you don't, (culturally speaking). How the people around you communicate really determines where you fit in each culture.. Stuck between the two is the hardest. This is speaking as an adult. Kids born with it definitely should have ASL 100% in agreement with that. I am learning ASL and looking into the implant. Bc right. Having a backup is essential (but you have to have people you can speak to with it!!! Main ingredient!)
@@SarahDunlap I have a one ear with normal hearing and one ear with a significant amount of hearing loss. I didn't get a hearing aid until last week because the technology for what I need wasn't around when my hearing loss was first diagnosed. I definitely agree with how weird it is. I learned ASL in high school and I can communicate effectively with it, but I never know how to introduce myself. Because I went without a hearing aid for so long I learned many ways to compensate for my hearing loss, and I have normal speech so people usually don't realize unless I tell them or if a situation arises where I can't hear them. I think that HAs, CIs and other hearing devices are wonderful tools, but ASL should be the language that Deaf and HoH people use, at least around each other.
as a Deaf teen, i believe D/deaf children should also be taught sign language along with speaking if the parents so choose (for whatever country they're native to). it helps children develop better, no matter if they're hearing or not. sure, you can get CIs implanted in your child, but also have them learn sign language so they can integrate better with the Deaf community. i can hear (somewhat) and i speak for the most part, since i have no Deaf friends, or any Deaf peers for that matter. nobody around me knows ASL.
I do agree with you. I'm not deaf, but I'm considering learning a sign language at some point as I can see how it can be very helpful for communication in many situations as well as personal reasons, the only problem is figuring out which one (or maybe which one to start with?). My native language is German, but I mostly use English to communicate online, the sign languages used by these populations are apparently on completely different language trees. If I was teaching a child here the choice would obviously be DGS but I'm an adult with some plans to not stay here and apparently ASL is the lingua franca, or at least the closest thing there is? EDIT: I'm just asking because I figure you might have some more knowledge of these than I do.
I agree that parents should decide what is best for their children, and getting both the CI and learning ASL will be beneficial in the long run. Cochlear implants are not a cure, and that way deaf kids can understand both English and ASL and be able to express themselves. ASL is a beautiful language
Elon Musk said “What’s the point of sign language in a video if you have substitutes? Am I missing something?” He is right because most deaf people couldn’t understand that closed captioning “illiteracy”. ASL is not great to teach deaf children or a bad education because they struggle how to read sentences. I am still unhappy if ASL exists in some public schools except deaf schools. Hopefully, cued speech will teach them instead in the future. Sigh poor deaf children 😢 STOP TEACHING SIGN LANGUAGE. CUED SPEECH IS THE BEST CHOICE INSTEAD!
This video does not account for the years, endless time in speech therapy or that early learning of ASL does not slow speech development so why wouldn't you teach it
Some people use signs with their hearing kids and it seems to actually be GOOD for their development. Signing reduces frustration and tantrums because they can sign what they can't yet tell you what they need/want. If a hearing child gets so frustrated when learning to speak as a toddler, imagine how frustrating it is for a deaf child.
Because it isn't necessary with a cochlear implant. I nannied for a kid with a cochlear whose parents paid for a private tutor. The kid was NOT interested. He could hear with his CI and speak perfectly. He would just play when the ASL lady was trying to teach him. If you are verbal there is no need for ASL.
blackalien6873 obviously, you do not understand both part of that world of social norms who does not recognize or support Deaf Educators or its classes!!! Instead people clashed against each other because of English/ASL of neutrality space, yet when people do not care about the difference of both private and businesses of tty machines, bi-products, then that part of assessabilities breakdown both part of the classroom’s teachers because people actually were against co-workers being ridiculous absurd to lie and cheat against ADA of using through people. Why would you all pretending that somehow being deaf supposedly ‘hear’ through the regular ‘hearing’ telephone???
Yikes, so many ignorant hearing people leaving comments. The implant doesn't restore hearing. It provides SOME experience of hearing to the deaf person. They do not experience sound the same as hearing people. And to have the implant surgically put in, any residual hearing in the ear is destroyed, so it's a tough decision to make. My fiancé was born profoundly deaf (before hearing tests were performed on babies). They found out when he was 1. His parents decided against the CI because it was still experimental then. He and his parents learned ASL and he had 11 years of speech therapy. He decided to get the CI himself at 15. He can differentiate between certain sounds (person's voice vs object), but he cannot process speech, meaning, if someone was talking with their hand in front of their mouth, or speaking behind him, he has no clue what's being said. He has a happy and fulfilling life. He can do everything except hear. Only obstacle is inaccessibility and discrimination by hearing people. If you opt to implant your child, be sure to also teach them ASL. Why not have a bilingual child? It doesn't cause speech or language delays. They have a deaf identity and community. Really, the best of both worlds.
Well, tech always improves. So i expect the implants to become better and better. And vision implants will soon be a thing to. But they are furder behind.
rubikfan1 Or we can live a life where we don’t have to fix everything about ourselves. It would be pretty disabling for me to suddenly have “normal” vision.
@@ReineDeLaSeine14 I would love to have normal vision, but surgury on my eyes is too scary because you can’t be put to sleep for it. I turned it down many years ago because I just couldn’t stomach being awake for the whole thing.
@@ReineDeLaSeine14lmao dumbest comment I’ve read so far. We don’t have to fix everything, we just have to fix the disabilities. I’m getting my lasik surgery as soon as I’m told I can. And if I happen to have a deaf child, I’ll get him a CI as soon as I can. It’s great that people feel comfortable in their own skin, and are able to embrace their disabilities, yet that doesn’t mean it’s better to accept the problem and live with it, not when there are amazing ways of fixing it and allowing people to experience life at its fullest.
As a Deaf boy, it pisses me off that there are parents who think their child should only have cochlear implants, not sign language. I mean they can use cochlear implants AND sign language at the same time. But keeping your child from learning sign language, that is not good. What if the cochlear implants just stop working? The children will get very frustrating. But if they have cochlear implants that just stop working but they know sign language, they can use it! That’s why having cochlear implants and learning sign language is important for your child 👍
I am not d/Deaf, but I do know that bilingualism, especially if started early, is a huge benefit to any child. I don't understand why any parents would NOT want to give their kids both languages, just like if I had kids, who were hearing, I would want them to learn both English (my first language) and Spanish (my second language).
why are hearing parents always denying sign language? What happens if her hearing aid breaks? If you are a hearing parent of a hoh/ deaf/Deaf kid have them learn sign language!!! "They denied her Sign language" "Her talking is more like a baby talking" yeah..... cause you didnt learn asl or take her to a speech specialist....
@@robbrady3086 Even some of us with full hearing use captions when available. Learning disabilities can also affect how you process speech. So not only does it benefit d/Deaf people, you never know who else might benefit too.
This issue is complicated by the fact that in the USA there's this totally false idea exposure to multiple languages causes 'confusion'. The rest of the world laughs at us for this. From a practical standpoint, the earlier the better for language exposure. A child on age level in ASL when implanted will do better because the brain has language. As someone who taught Deaf and hard of hearing children for years I can tell you that the kids most skilled in proper ASL are usually the kids who have the best skills in reading and writing. If they have aidable hearing, they are also usually the best at using that limited hearing and the best at lipreading and have the best speech. And it ALL goes back to having a solid language base.
I work at a school for the deaf. We use both spoken English and signed exact English simultaneously. When the kids get to middle school they learn ASL. All the kids either have a CI or Hearing aids! Total access to communication!
@@kellypat125 Some signs are the same, some are slightly different or modified, some are completely different! SEE is every part of English shown on the hands, and uses more initials where as ASL paints a broader picture.
Lou Ferrigno “Hulk” speaks English and no sign language because he got a hearing aid when he was 4 in 1955. I was so surprised by him. Elon Musk said “What’s the point of sign language in a video if you have substitutes? Am I missing something?” He is right because most deaf people couldn’t understand that closed captioning “illiteracy”. ASL is not great to teach deaf children or a bad education because they struggle how to read sentences. I am still unhappy if ASL exists in some public schools except deaf schools. Hopefully, cued speech will teach them instead in the future. Sigh poor deaf children 😢 STOP TEACHING SIGN LANGUAGE. CUED SPEECH IS THE BEST CHOICE INSTEAD! Sign language is risky because I remember a doctor gave me her note-taking and she wrote “Are you upset”. I didn’t know what a word was but I was 11. That’s a HUGE disappointment. My public school had a bad education, sign language is not English, and DELAY speech. I tried to encourage them to cued speech instead. There are new technologies such as cochlear implants and hearing aids, so sign language is not necessary for deaf children right now. By the way, today is 2024 not the 1800s. ASL is beautiful but it should NOT be taught to deaf children unless teenagers or adults because they will be illiterate if they can't read or have difficulty writing English maybe. Truth: ruclips.net/video/Ne46UDOO06U/видео.htmlsi=VtMqIVlQNJL3KWER I need to fix that timeline. Thanks for understanding.
This wouldn’t have engaged me before my son married a woman whose father and brother are deaf and whose family is involved in deaf culture. I’m learning to sign. It is no different than if my son had married a hearing person whose first language is different than my own. I’d like to be able to share their culture and I owe them the same respect I would to any other family who spoke differently at home.
Lou Ferrigno “Hulk” speaks English and no sign language because he got a hearing aid when he was 4 in 1955. I was so surprised by him. Elon Musk said “What’s the point of sign language in a video if you have substitutes? Am I missing something?” He is right because most deaf people couldn’t understand that closed captioning “illiteracy”. ASL is not great to teach deaf children or a bad education because they struggle how to read sentences. I am still unhappy if ASL exists in some public schools except deaf schools. Hopefully, cued speech will teach them instead in the future. Sigh poor deaf children 😢 STOP TEACHING SIGN LANGUAGE. CUED SPEECH IS THE BEST CHOICE INSTEAD! Sign language is risky because I remember a doctor gave me her note-taking and she wrote “Are you upset”. I didn’t know what a word was but I was 11. That’s a HUGE disappointment. My public school had a bad education, sign language is not English, and DELAY speech. I tried to encourage them to cued speech instead. There are new technologies such as cochlear implants and hearing aids, so sign language is not necessary for deaf children right now. By the way, today is 2024 not the 1800s. ASL is beautiful but it should NOT be taught to deaf children unless teenagers or adults because they will be illiterate if they can't read or have difficulty writing English maybe. Truth: ruclips.net/video/Ne46UDOO06U/видео.htmlsi=VtMqIVlQNJL3KWER I need to fix that timeline. Thanks for understanding.
I learned about Deaf culture in my medical ethics class when we talked about deaf couples genetically selecting for deaf children. I understand their argument that deafness is more than just a disability, but I still can't agree with such practices or how some in the deaf community shun those who decide to get their children cochlear implants.
I cant believe parents wouldn't love their children as they are. Why in the world would you not give your child a language? Why would you deprive your child of communication because you are too lazy and prejudice to learn? Giving your child a first language is imperative to teaching your child anything else
Elon Musk said “What’s the point of sign language in a video if you have substitutes? Am I missing something?” He is right because most deaf people couldn’t understand that closed captioning “illiteracy”. ASL is not great to teach deaf children or a bad education because they struggle how to read sentences. I am still unhappy if ASL exists in some public schools except deaf schools. Hopefully, cued speech will teach them instead in the future. Sigh poor deaf children 😢 STOP TEACHING SIGN LANGUAGE. CUED SPEECH IS THE BEST CHOICE INSTEAD!
It’s obviously useful to teach a deaf child sign language, but there’s an awful lot of people who are opposed to cochlear implants because they feel it threatens their identity or “deaf culture”. Which is pretty fucking stupid when you think of it. Cochlear implants are fundamentally no different than a wheelchair, cane, or even eyeglasses - they all help you live a safer and more productive life. I am thankful my parents bought me eyeglasses when I was young. I think if someone told me to stop wearing them, embrace my Myopia and join some near-sighted “culture”, I would have laughed in their face.
Cochlear implants do have long-term negative side effects as well, which are not fully understood yet. They are not comparable to any of the other things you mentioned.
@@cashcleaner They can completely destroy your hearing, so if you have a little bit, you end up with none at all unless you have it turned on. This is an issue as hearing when you're not used to can be very overwhelming and can lead to sensory overload. Also, you should not be using "productive" as a measure of the worth or quality of life of a human life.
If you had to permanently forfeit your ability to walk to use a wheelchair for increased mobility, would you do it? If using a wheelchair might not work at all, but would require a major surgery that left behind artificial devices that might cause migraines and interact with random tech in airports, stores, etc. Would you choose it for yourself? If using a wheelchair made people treat you like you could walk, when you can't use it in water, during sports, etc. Would you choose it? CI isn't the same as glasses. CI isn't like a WC. CI is CI. It has its place, but don't confuse it with anything else.
The fact you're asking Paul M to do your own research for you shows your ignorance. To make such a strong statement as their decision being "pretty fucking stupid" when you clearly don't know the negative side effects on your own; and you double down on that stupidity by making a claim that they provide "a safer and more productive life", while still not knowing the negative side effects or even taking the time to look it up beforehand. Stop being lazy and asking us to do your homework for you, you made these claims so you bear the responsibility of fact checking yourself. There's tons of pros and cons to cochlear implants, and their decision to take either route has nothing to do with you. Finally, there is no way at all are that cochlear implants are comparable to eyeglasses, which doesn't even require something as invasive as surgery for starters. You basically said a whole lot of nonsense only to tell us that you're pretty fucking stupid.
It's kind of sad that so many parents of deaf children actively choose to inhibit their child by not learning sign language. It's very lazy on the parents part and it can have very negative ramifications for the deaf children. My opinion is that whether you are or are not deaf doesn't matter. Children should be taught ASL from a young age.
Truth is sign language gets LANGUAGE... cochlear implants do not make sounds like we know. Special upkeep, denied of language but sounds like mickey mouse.. kids learn to please parents, but these kids will be HARMED by not signing 1st. Parents 95% won't sign. But i work with those kids- give them sign langauge keeps their brain flexible because of language not C.i
What’s worse is that she would have no language deficiencies if she had had access to sign. She would have had a totally typical development of communication in sign
Aleksei "As long as we have deaf people on earth, we will have signs. And as long as we have our films, we can preserve signs in their old purity. It is my hope that we will all love and guard our beautiful sign language as the noblest gift God has given to deaf people."-George Veditz, 1913.
Stop talking about deaf children in the third person “she” “he” Tell them YOU!!!! And YES LEARN ASL. Insurances Do not cover hearing aids and only cover cochlears but limitations are present.
The first mother is obviously from Poland, they don't have the ideas about disabilities that we do in the US, UK, etc. That said, they also should have done implantation earlier for better results if that's the route they wanted to go down. If you're going to invest that kind of $, do it when it will really work.
This is actually wrong (earlier is better). Studies have shown that language matters more than sound to a developing brain. ASL is language. Implantation creates a period of time where the child will have no access at all to sound, and if they lack ASL as well, they lack the most meaningful way to foster connection and language. It is better to wait until the child has a firm grasp on language via ASL, then, if you feel you must, do the CIs. However, the CIs have a less than stellar history, with only about 30% of deaf users actually benefiting from them, many having complications such as migraines, sensory overload, and chronic pain prompting them to remove the device(s). CIs are probably best left for those who have experienced hearing to a impactful degree, who want more, or has lost what they had and want it back. Deaf people have gotten on perfectly fine, thrive even, when given access to language, culture, and support, just like any other people. Stop trying to "heal" them; they aren't broken. If they are disabled, it is by the society that refuses to accept them, not the lack of sound.
Cochlear implant is the world's worst fraud of all time. Many people were not aware that cochlear implants have only 22 channels. Hearing people have 6000 channels. The CI companies do not tell you the truth. All this suffering is not acceptable and unnecessary. We will rekindle for hope to overcome hate in Deaf community.
I have a cochlear implant, and I don't think this comment is very fair. Of course hearing people have more channels.. It's the natural standard. CI are not presumed to replicate hearing exactly, but they are very helpful IF you want to be part of the hearing world. Suffering is a very objective word, do you mean pain?
24 channels. I have seen interviews of people with cochlears and comments online of people with cochlears and they all speak and respond to speech directed toward them very well.
Deaf culture seems a bit toxic. Being deaf is a disability. No two ways about it. People with deafness lack a sense that most other people have and one that is incredibly valuable. Encouraging parents to keep their children at a disadvantage is incredibly unfair to those children.
What I can tell you is, Deaf culture isn’t toxic. Yes, it lacks a sense but we, Deaf people, don’t really care about it. We just like to socialise with others and have good times. Yes, I’m Deaf.
@@lennoxbeard05 As with a LOT of cultures and groups, I wonder if there is a group being nasty on the internet that is giving a bad name to everyone else??
Actually, deafness is only a disability if one had sound, became depending upon it, and then it was taken away. Deaf people have thrived for many, many generations just fine. The lack of sound does not disable them, a society that demands everyone recognize sound only with their ears is what disables them. There are many ways to experience sound, when it is necessary. There are many ways to experience life; audibly is only one way, and not at all necessary for success.
I became curious about this when I saw a protest out side of a ear doctors office. They have a right to preserve their culture, but they overstep into what hearing parents want for their own children, they doesn't see how cultures intersect or overlap. Thats between the child and its parents. Preserve your culture by having YOUR OWN children who will most likely inherit the mutated gene that causes deafness.
Actually I read 90% of deaf kids are born to hearing parents and two deaf parents don't necessarily have deaf kids. It's not always genetic. Like Marlee Matlin became deaf after a virus or infection of some kind and all her kids are hearing.
Since this is just about america (cuz ASL) people probably think it will be hard or confusing for a child to be learning two languages essentially... Gurl, the rest (most) of the world all learns 2 just as basic standard with 0 issue and in europe a lot will even start to learn a third in school. Oh, you're an immigrant? well then you probably know your parents/family's native language too so that will make 4. So at the very least they'll be fluent in 3 languages and most will still not struggle with any significance. Kids suck up language like nobody's business and will keep them with no trouble, providing they have opportunities to keep using them. Your kid can learn sign and english, thinking anything else is really selling your child short
Vice, the kind of education you are giving on cochlear implants is overwhelmingly incomplete. Why won’t you let cochlear implant users evaluate the product themselves? No audiologist, parent, or friend, no matter how compassionate, can do it any better than them. By doing so, you might find out that cochlear implants are not an instant panacea to deafness: it takes years of adaptation to a new sonic environment (one that is characterized by a metallic/clinical quality) academic accommodations and speech therapy to integrate the phono-centric world, not to mention the “deaf accent” that often comes with it, and the audist discrimination that cochlear implants users have to face. Consider this: cochlear implants do not “restore” hearing. This kind of language frames deafness as an undesirable, unnatural, afflictive state. It dismisses a deaf person’s sonic world as one that is inauthentic and unreliable. Miriam was born severely deaf, what is there to “restore”, if deafness is her natural state?
Ikr! But ultimately, it is the child’s choice whether or not they want a cochlear implant, use ASL, or both. What’s important is to not force a choice onto the person.
Deafness IS undesirable lol what are you on about? Deafness is a disability. Having a disability is inherently negative. You are unable to do something that is natural to human beings. Hearing is a huge part of life. Deaf people are missing out of a whole aspect of human life, and helping deaf children to get a taste of that is not wrong. If you’ve been deaf since birth or early childhood, I don’t expect you to understand, not because you can’t understand, but because you probably don’t want to. This comment section is full of deaf people basically advocating for the ban of CI lol you all are just mad that a child with a CI will never choose deafness over hearing. I strongly wish that every deaf child in this world gets a CI or some other device or surgery that gives them back their hearing (even if they hear metallic/electronic sounds), the same way I strongly hope every person in a wheelchair gets the ability to walk on their two legs again even if they can’t run, or that all blind people get to see again even if its on a grayscale or blurry.
Most deaf people in my area do not support CI. being fluent in asl i understand why, ASL offers a level of expression not available with conventional auditory language.
I think it's great cochlear implants have such a high success rate and it should be used for the deaf it their parents or themselves feel it's best for them. However-- whomever receives an implant should still learn sign language because it is still incredibly useful for a myriad of reasons.
Things change with technology - "culture" changes, with technology. I don't quite understand what a "deaf culture" is supposed to be, especially to someone who can now hear, and why kids that have these implants, and have been given the ability to hear need to be part of something that is no longer an issue in their lives. It's different from an ethnic group abandoning/keeping their native language and culture because your ethnicity is with you always and part of who you are for the rest of your life; being "cured" of deafness makes once deaf people no longer a part of that "culture", unless they choose to be.
GeeseBear there’s a lot to deaf culture for example everyone has a sign name that signifies a personality trait (using the first letter of their name in ASL) another part of deaf culture is story telling where they make up a story using the letters A-Z as a sign similar to how we have children’s books...deaf culture is a legit thing
So, basically those parents were too lazy to learn a single thing about Deaf culture or ASL to help their daughter, and instead chose to have a surgeon cut open her head, saw through her skull, and have a device attached to her brain, because actually TRYING to communicate with her in a real way was too hard? They took away her options, exposed her to a very real and dangerous surgical procedure, and didn't even try to get to know her for who she was. "We didn't do ASL, we're just gonna fix her." What kind of bullshit lazy ads "parenting" is that? To not even TRY? That girl is still deaf. Just now she will have no idea there is a community and a language that would have supported her but her own parents thought she was broken and didn't want to deal with the hassle. Doctors are being successfully sued for and refusing to perform circumcision on infants because they cannot consent to the surgery. A CI is just as invasive and changes an entire being. I can't wait until it is illegal for parents to do this to their children.
Not necessarily too lazy at all. Most times, parents are not at all informed of the options for their child to grow and learn. When our son was diagnosed with profound hearing loss, the first thing out of the audiologists mouth was that he was a candidate for cochlear implants. If you don't know that deaf culture exists, how can you choose to embrace it?
shredder4286 Seriously? Laziness is the only way to explain it. Thirty seconds on google and I learned how to fix a pipe under my sink. My roommate used it to fix the alternator on his car. I found the best chickens for my climate. In this internet age there is even LESS excuse for outright ignorance. Even without the internet being ignorant of a subject so important is inexcusable. It's your child! Pick up a freaking book for two seconds, it's not that difficult. (While we're on the subject, it's lazy ass doctors, too. Telling parents 'we'll just "fix" it' instead of helping to show there are options.)
adelaamarante Maybe you wouldn't understand until you experience it yourself. Finding out your child is deaf can be a shocking experience. For the first year and a half, the Drs falsely passed my son on audiology tests and said he was speech delayed. Why would we go to Google when the doctors (many within our group) were all telling us the same thing. It's not laziness.
shredder4286 So, you take the word of doctor as gospel and do no independent research of your own whatsoever? Even though it was clear to you your own child was suffering. Didn't pick up a book or search a few symptoms on your own? Nothing? That's laziness. I kept passing eye exams as a child because I could make out shapes through the fog. But my parents noticed I kept getting headaches and struggled to read things they knew I could read. So they looked into it, read what they could find at the library, and demanded better for me. I had bad eyesight and astigmatism and finally got glasses at four years old because my parents took the time and knew something was wrong. They fought for me. Yes. Laziness.
If someone is Pure Deaf no matter the type of hearing aid at the disposal at the time given it will not take away the ability of not hearing. Deaf Culture is a thing just as Blind Culture is a thing
Xavier's mother is ABUSING him to make some sort of cultural/political statement. Unless he goes and hunkers down in a town near Galaudet for the rest of his life he will be interacting with misting none ASL speaking, hearing people and he will be at a great disadvantage because of it.
This is a few examples of the same madness from the book: Teaching for diversity and social justice. "In their view, they are not disabled but rather obstructed by negative interactions with controlling health and social service systems. Mental health system survivors, for example, reject psychiatric labels as part of their fight against forced “treatment” by the mental health system. Activist organizations such as MindFreedom, United Action for Human Rights in Mental Health and Lunatic’s Liberation Front advocate for awareness of and rights for psychiatric survivors, and share information on how to counteract the oppression of the psychiatric system, which includes forced outpatient drug treatment and mandatory mental health screening." "Anyone can become disabled through sickness, aging, accidents, or acts of violence or war, or even due to stresses from the increased pace of life. Thus, disability touches every one of us personally or through the lives of people about whom we care. For this reason, we refer to people who do not have disabilities as temporarily able-bodied." "People with disabilities who are part of this political movement reject the notion that being disabled is an inherently negative experience or in any way descriptive of something broken or abnormal. They see disability as a positive term. Proponents of this perspective take pride in the differences in their bodies and minds and strive to make others aware of their experiences and accomplishments. Finally, some groups of people defined by society as having disabilities do not see themselves as disabled at all. For example, many Deaf people see themselves as a cultural group separate from “the hearing” group. They take pride in and wish to preserve their own language and patterns of community." "For many persons with disabilities, becoming disabled has profoundly changed their lives in positive ways that could not be imagined at the time of an accident or at the initial diagnosis of an illness. For increasing numbers of people with disabilities, becoming nondisabled, even through miraculous cures, is not what they desire." "Likewise, many disability rights advocates oppose abortion because of their objection to aborting fetuses with disabilities. They argue that pro-choice advocates have not considered the implications of their support for abortion for people with disabilities."
khail chain Not really. Ive been taking ASL classes for the last 2 years and sometimes I cant understand signs from across the country. Verbal languages are different among countries even close to each other. No difference in non-verbal language.
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Interesting perspective. I think the best point is that the implants are still implants and don't actually grant them unaided hearing. What if something happens and they cant use or get implants anymore? I think they should be given an implant if they want one anyone, but it would be good to learn sign langauge anyway.
I firmly believe that parents who choose to get their kids a CI are doing it for their own benefit. It takes the pressure off from learning asl for them and their kids. It's almost like they're embarrassed to have a deaf child and only want them to hear and speak as much as possible. I firmly support kids having the right and the option to learn asl and any spoken language if they can. Kids shouldn't be denied learning asl and deaf culture.
so maybe I'm completely lost but, what's the point of them uploading 5 minute segments of this doc.? is it being steamed strictly on HBO or what, cause it's getting annoying seeing them tease good content only for it to be a teaser.
I hope someone uses this revolution to make sign language more accessible to all Americans. Considering the increase in nationalism over the last few years, it surprises me more people aren’t pushing for a language invented in America to be taught in schools.
Although I think its cool deaf people are starting community's for each other, you shouldn't deprive another human being the option of living normally.
I think it'd be pretty cool to be able to turn my hearing down, or sign across the room in a noisy environment. Maybe I should learn a few more signs - I already know a couple of swear words/signs :)
I will always be against cochlear implants - after seeing so many of my Deaf friends still struggling to communicate with their non-signing hearing families/co-workers/bosses/strangers --- and their exhaustion after using it all day long, they look forward to taking it off and totally relax. It's not natural and ASL culture is dying due to forcing to 'assimilate' with the demands from hearing people who fear their child won't be "normal".
i dont really get the deaf culture argument. becuase of one reason: if they are in danger or someone else and they cant see them they cant hear them--> cant get help or give help. children of deaf parents died because of that.
Or, you could learn to help your Deaf child be the best they can be without having a surgeon cut open their skulls to implant a device directly on their brain that the child can't consent to and would be perfectly fine without. Just takes some effort.
That's a logical assumption. In our case, our son hated his cochlears, and as a result of going that direction, was language delayed until he was taught ASL
Karl Liebknecht "As long as we have deaf people on earth, we will have signs. And as long as we have our films, we can preserve signs in their old purity. It is my hope that we will all love and guard our beautiful sign language as the noblest gift God has given to deaf people."-George Veditz, 1913.
It's kind of like cursive writing. People don't want it to die because lots of historical documents etc are written in cursive, but eventually it will die out. I think a similar thing will happen here. When you have an option that can improve quality of life so much and allow them to hear, I couldn't imagine not giving a deaf child (if I had one) the chance to hear and see the world as we do.
@@SaAkinBuhayjust because there are deaf people that cannot be ‘fixed’, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t ‘fix’ deaf kids who do have options available. Making the deaf community larger is not the solution, the ultimate solution would be to fully integrate deaf people into mainstream society. Teaching kids basic Sign language in school, making the streets safer for deaf people, etc. You don’t build a gated community perfectly designed to house people in wheelchairs, you change the current neighborhoods and buildings to be wheelchair friendly, you encourage people from a young age to help disabled people.
I completely disagree with deaf people who say that cochlear implants should never be fitted to children who were born deaf, and should only be fitted when the child turns 18. They know full well that by that stage it would be too late, as the brain rewires itself and loses the ability to process audio at all. I do agree with teaching sign language in conjunction with implants, but then again I think ALL children should learn sign language!
Lou Ferrigno “Hulk” speaks English and no sign language because he got a hearing aid when he was 4 in 1955. I was so surprised by him. Elon Musk said “What’s the point of sign language in a video if you have substitutes? Am I missing something?” He is right because most deaf people couldn’t understand that closed captioning “illiteracy”. ASL is not great to teach deaf children or a bad education because they struggle how to read sentences. I am still unhappy if ASL exists in some public schools except deaf schools. Hopefully, cued speech will teach them instead in the future. Sigh poor deaf children 😢 STOP TEACHING SIGN LANGUAGE. CUED SPEECH IS THE BEST CHOICE INSTEAD! Sign language is risky because I remember a doctor gave me her note-taking and she wrote “Are you upset”. I didn’t know what a word was but I was 11. That’s a HUGE disappointment. My public school had a bad education, sign language is not English, and DELAY speech. I tried to encourage them to cued speech instead. There are new technologies such as cochlear implants and hearing aids, so sign language is not necessary for deaf children right now. By the way, today is 2024 not the 1800s. ASL is beautiful but it should NOT be taught to deaf children unless teenagers or adults because they will be illiterate if they can't read or have difficulty writing English maybe. Truth: ruclips.net/video/Ne46UDOO06U/видео.htmlsi=VtMqIVlQNJL3KWER I need to fix that timeline. Thanks for understanding.
There should be no deaf culture. When someone loses his hearing there should be a way to restore it. The future must be one of health and enhancement not denial and weakness.
There is no such thing as "restoring" ear. Choclear Implant or Hearing Aid will never restore deaf people to hear it but they do wear it because it can be very useful for them to hear sounds because of their reasons but it doesn't mean that they understand everything what are hearing people saying. There would be always deaf culture and always deaf people. You wouldn't say this such as thing if you are deaf or hearing (knowledge of studies of Deaf). I was born as a deaf and always deaf with wearing choclear implant. Of course, I do know my first language which is BSL (British Sign Language).
@@lennoxbeard05 No, being deaf is not weak. If we have poorly understanding of deaf people, we might treat deaf people poorly from others. We all need to treat people positively regardless of their deafness, blindness and others.
deafness doesn't need to be "fixed", people can live perfectly normal lives without getting HA or CI and that's a very personal choice that should be left up to the individual person or their parents. CI are not a quick fix to deafness, the individual will still have to learn how to process sounds and go through years of speech and language therapy, etc. And the sound is not like regular sound, it's robotic and garbled.
"Sign language is where we have freedom of expression... And so in that respect, it's our native tongue."
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The grammar is different in speech and sign. One requires the child to adapt, the other the family has to adapt, pick what 90 % of parents do...
Wrong link - that link goes to some heroin addiction video - need to fix this.
Breaks my heart that she is not encouraged to have both modes of communication!
Why not both? Knowing sign language will help anyway, for example if your hearing aid thingy breaks up temporary....
i think the probability that a hearing aid will stop working is much higher than someone randomly will become deaf.
@@thevikckick The problem is that hearing parents think the implant and speech therapy will "fix" their child. That they will no longer be "deaf" but just a little hard of hearing and hence they should be mainstreamed in public school with no sign language, not taught sign language and treated like a hearing child. But they are NOT a hearing child and them learning spoken language is a bit like you learning Korean or Chinese at the age of 40. Sure, you could do it, but it would take a massive amount of effort and would never be as easy to understand or as comfortable as your native tongue, nor would you ever pass as "one of them".
Sure, there is a benefit to them learning to interact by speaking and lip reading to the best of their ability, but parents should receive a lot of counselling before getting these implants for their children, so they understand that the child is still deaf and the implant is NOT a replacement for sign language
I keep hearing that children with autism are not broken...well, neither are deaf child. But they speak best with their hands and you will reduce a lot of frustration and unhappiness by using sign language and using deaf schools at least for preschool. Not everyone must be mainstreamed and pressed into that mould of what we think our children should be.
As HOH w/HA looking at implant. I know I will never be part of the Deaf culture. If you've ever been in the hearing world, it's not like you can just decide you want to embrace your deafness and be accepted into the Deaf culture. It's not like that. You either hear or you don't, (culturally speaking). How the people around you communicate really determines where you fit in each culture.. Stuck between the two is the hardest. This is speaking as an adult. Kids born with it definitely should have ASL 100% in agreement with that. I am learning ASL and looking into the implant. Bc right. Having a backup is essential (but you have to have people you can speak to with it!!! Main ingredient!)
@@SarahDunlap I have a one ear with normal hearing and one ear with a significant amount of hearing loss. I didn't get a hearing aid until last week because the technology for what I need wasn't around when my hearing loss was first diagnosed. I definitely agree with how weird it is. I learned ASL in high school and I can communicate effectively with it, but I never know how to introduce myself. Because I went without a hearing aid for so long I learned many ways to compensate for my hearing loss, and I have normal speech so people usually don't realize unless I tell them or if a situation arises where I can't hear them. I think that HAs, CIs and other hearing devices are wonderful tools, but ASL should be the language that Deaf and HoH people use, at least around each other.
How does ASL help you in a hearing world? Unless you're in a deaf enclave it's pretty useless when 99.9999% of the people you meet do NOT speak it.
as a Deaf teen, i believe D/deaf children should also be taught sign language along with speaking if the parents so choose (for whatever country they're native to). it helps children develop better, no matter if they're hearing or not. sure, you can get CIs implanted in your child, but also have them learn sign language so they can integrate better with the Deaf community. i can hear (somewhat) and i speak for the most part, since i have no Deaf friends, or any Deaf peers for that matter. nobody around me knows ASL.
I do agree with you.
I'm not deaf, but I'm considering learning a sign language at some point as I can see how it can be very helpful for communication in many situations as well as personal reasons, the only problem is figuring out which one (or maybe which one to start with?).
My native language is German, but I mostly use English to communicate online, the sign languages used by these populations are apparently on completely different language trees. If I was teaching a child here the choice would obviously be DGS but I'm an adult with some plans to not stay here and apparently ASL is the lingua franca, or at least the closest thing there is?
EDIT: I'm just asking because I figure you might have some more knowledge of these than I do.
I agree that parents should decide what is best for their children, and getting both the CI and learning ASL will be beneficial in the long run. Cochlear implants are not a cure, and that way deaf kids can understand both English and ASL and be able to express themselves. ASL is a beautiful language
Elon Musk said “What’s the point of sign language in a video if you have substitutes? Am I missing something?” He is right because most deaf people couldn’t understand that closed captioning “illiteracy”. ASL is not great to teach deaf children or a bad education because they struggle how to read sentences. I am still unhappy if ASL exists in some public schools except deaf schools. Hopefully, cued speech will teach them instead in the future. Sigh poor deaf children 😢 STOP TEACHING SIGN LANGUAGE. CUED SPEECH IS THE BEST CHOICE INSTEAD!
This video does not account for the years, endless time in speech therapy or that early learning of ASL does not slow speech development so why wouldn't you teach it
Some people use signs with their hearing kids and it seems to actually be GOOD for their development. Signing reduces frustration and tantrums because they can sign what they can't yet tell you what they need/want. If a hearing child gets so frustrated when learning to speak as a toddler, imagine how frustrating it is for a deaf child.
Exactly! The doctor says she should catch up in a couple YEARS if she had signed from day 1 she would have no language delay!
Because it isn't necessary with a cochlear implant. I nannied for a kid with a cochlear whose parents paid for a private tutor. The kid was NOT interested. He could hear with his CI and speak perfectly. He would just play when the ASL lady was trying to teach him. If you are verbal there is no need for ASL.
blackalien6873 obviously, you do not understand both part of that world of social norms who does not recognize or support Deaf Educators or its classes!!! Instead people clashed against each other because of English/ASL of neutrality space, yet when people do not care about the difference of both private and businesses of tty machines, bi-products, then that part of assessabilities breakdown both part of the classroom’s teachers because people actually were against co-workers being ridiculous absurd to lie and cheat against ADA of using through people. Why would you all pretending that somehow being deaf supposedly ‘hear’ through the regular ‘hearing’ telephone???
@@TheQueerTailor is the doctor deaf ? he has not a clue because he does not wear a CI
Yikes, so many ignorant hearing people leaving comments.
The implant doesn't restore hearing. It provides SOME experience of hearing to the deaf person. They do not experience sound the same as hearing people. And to have the implant surgically put in, any residual hearing in the ear is destroyed, so it's a tough decision to make.
My fiancé was born profoundly deaf (before hearing tests were performed on babies). They found out when he was 1. His parents decided against the CI because it was still experimental then. He and his parents learned ASL and he had 11 years of speech therapy. He decided to get the CI himself at 15. He can differentiate between certain sounds (person's voice vs object), but he cannot process speech, meaning, if someone was talking with their hand in front of their mouth, or speaking behind him, he has no clue what's being said.
He has a happy and fulfilling life. He can do everything except hear. Only obstacle is inaccessibility and discrimination by hearing people.
If you opt to implant your child, be sure to also teach them ASL. Why not have a bilingual child? It doesn't cause speech or language delays. They have a deaf identity and community. Really, the best of both worlds.
Well, tech always improves. So i expect the implants to become better and better. And vision implants will soon be a thing to. But they are furder behind.
rubikfan1 Or we can live a life where we don’t have to fix everything about ourselves. It would be pretty disabling for me to suddenly have “normal” vision.
@@ReineDeLaSeine14 I would love to have normal vision, but surgury on my eyes is too scary because you can’t be put to sleep for it. I turned it down many years ago because I just couldn’t stomach being awake for the whole thing.
so let someone be disabled because you think it's bad. Any bit of hearing can help.
@@ReineDeLaSeine14lmao dumbest comment I’ve read so far. We don’t have to fix everything, we just have to fix the disabilities. I’m getting my lasik surgery as soon as I’m told I can. And if I happen to have a deaf child, I’ll get him a CI as soon as I can. It’s great that people feel comfortable in their own skin, and are able to embrace their disabilities, yet that doesn’t mean it’s better to accept the problem and live with it, not when there are amazing ways of fixing it and allowing people to experience life at its fullest.
As a Deaf boy, it pisses me off that there are parents who think their child should only have cochlear implants, not sign language. I mean they can use cochlear implants AND sign language at the same time. But keeping your child from learning sign language, that is not good. What if the cochlear implants just stop working? The children will get very frustrating. But if they have cochlear implants that just stop working but they know sign language, they can use it! That’s why having cochlear implants and learning sign language is important for your child 👍
I am not d/Deaf, but I do know that bilingualism, especially if started early, is a huge benefit to any child. I don't understand why any parents would NOT want to give their kids both languages, just like if I had kids, who were hearing, I would want them to learn both English (my first language) and Spanish (my second language).
why are hearing parents always denying sign language? What happens if her hearing aid breaks? If you are a hearing parent of a hoh/ deaf/Deaf kid have them learn sign language!!!
"They denied her Sign language" "Her talking is more like a baby talking" yeah..... cause you didnt learn asl or take her to a speech specialist....
She should have taught her sign.
No closed caption!?!?
Jeff Holub no that’s why the cochlear implant is available, no captions needed
@@robbrady3086 google audism and learn something.
Damn, that's ironic. O_O
@@robbrady3086 Even some of us with full hearing use captions when available. Learning disabilities can also affect how you process speech. So not only does it benefit d/Deaf people, you never know who else might benefit too.
This issue is complicated by the fact that in the USA there's this totally false idea exposure to multiple languages causes 'confusion'. The rest of the world laughs at us for this.
From a practical standpoint, the earlier the better for language exposure. A child on age level in ASL when implanted will do better because the brain has language. As someone who taught Deaf and hard of hearing children for years I can tell you that the kids most skilled in proper ASL are usually the kids who have the best skills in reading and writing. If they have aidable hearing, they are also usually the best at using that limited hearing and the best at lipreading and have the best speech. And it ALL goes back to having a solid language base.
From having a brother who is Deaf. Deaf people are one of the most proud people about how they are.
Imagine being proud of not having a sense.. Such a cope
I work at a school for the deaf. We use both spoken English and signed exact English simultaneously. When the kids get to middle school they learn ASL. All the kids either have a CI or Hearing aids! Total access to communication!
Does signed exact english use asl words but just grammatically the same as English? So they're partway learning ASL?
@@kellypat125 Some signs are the same, some are slightly different or modified, some are completely different! SEE is every part of English shown on the hands, and uses more initials where as ASL paints a broader picture.
Lou Ferrigno “Hulk” speaks English and no sign language because he got a hearing aid when he was 4 in 1955. I was so surprised by him. Elon Musk said “What’s the point of sign language in a video if you have substitutes? Am I missing something?” He is right because most deaf people couldn’t understand that closed captioning “illiteracy”. ASL is not great to teach deaf children or a bad education because they struggle how to read sentences. I am still unhappy if ASL exists in some public schools except deaf schools. Hopefully, cued speech will teach them instead in the future. Sigh poor deaf children 😢 STOP TEACHING SIGN LANGUAGE. CUED SPEECH IS THE BEST CHOICE INSTEAD! Sign language is risky because I remember a doctor gave me her note-taking and she wrote “Are you upset”. I didn’t know what a word was but I was 11. That’s a HUGE disappointment. My public school had a bad education, sign language is not English, and DELAY speech. I tried to encourage them to cued speech instead. There are new technologies such as cochlear implants and hearing aids, so sign language is not necessary for deaf children right now. By the way, today is 2024 not the 1800s. ASL is beautiful but it should NOT be taught to deaf children unless teenagers or adults because they will be illiterate if they can't read or have difficulty writing English maybe. Truth: ruclips.net/video/Ne46UDOO06U/видео.htmlsi=VtMqIVlQNJL3KWER I need to fix that timeline. Thanks for understanding.
@@maggievp Cued Speech is better than SEE and ASL
My roommate in my first year of college was an implantee a bilateral one. Trust me they do wonders to the ability of person to lead a productive life.
kartikeya jha lol we know that Deaf people with cochlear implants are moochers and live on that government cheese.
Not always
This wouldn’t have engaged me before my son married a woman whose father and brother are deaf and whose family is involved in deaf culture.
I’m learning to sign. It is no different than if my son had married a hearing person whose first language is different than my own. I’d like to be able to share their culture and I owe them the same respect I would to any other family who spoke differently at home.
Lou Ferrigno “Hulk” speaks English and no sign language because he got a hearing aid when he was 4 in 1955. I was so surprised by him. Elon Musk said “What’s the point of sign language in a video if you have substitutes? Am I missing something?” He is right because most deaf people couldn’t understand that closed captioning “illiteracy”. ASL is not great to teach deaf children or a bad education because they struggle how to read sentences. I am still unhappy if ASL exists in some public schools except deaf schools. Hopefully, cued speech will teach them instead in the future. Sigh poor deaf children 😢 STOP TEACHING SIGN LANGUAGE. CUED SPEECH IS THE BEST CHOICE INSTEAD! Sign language is risky because I remember a doctor gave me her note-taking and she wrote “Are you upset”. I didn’t know what a word was but I was 11. That’s a HUGE disappointment. My public school had a bad education, sign language is not English, and DELAY speech. I tried to encourage them to cued speech instead. There are new technologies such as cochlear implants and hearing aids, so sign language is not necessary for deaf children right now. By the way, today is 2024 not the 1800s. ASL is beautiful but it should NOT be taught to deaf children unless teenagers or adults because they will be illiterate if they can't read or have difficulty writing English maybe. Truth: ruclips.net/video/Ne46UDOO06U/видео.htmlsi=VtMqIVlQNJL3KWER I need to fix that timeline. Thanks for understanding.
I learned about Deaf culture in my medical ethics class when we talked about deaf couples genetically selecting for deaf children. I understand their argument that deafness is more than just a disability, but I still can't agree with such practices or how some in the deaf community shun those who decide to get their children cochlear implants.
It's extremely strange and bizarre.
As evident in many of these comments, there’s an almost cultish attitude toward learning Sign Language and being part of the culture.
@@hallerdzaars..
It is because people with CI think that they are superior to deaf people
Wow, the last sentence Douglas Ridloff signed gave me chills. Now I fully understand his viewpoint.
I cant believe parents wouldn't love their children as they are. Why in the world would you not give your child a language? Why would you deprive your child of communication because you are too lazy and prejudice to learn? Giving your child a first language is imperative to teaching your child anything else
CI or not..... all deaf people should have access to sign language. and that includes their family learning it too.
Elon Musk said “What’s the point of sign language in a video if you have substitutes? Am I missing something?” He is right because most deaf people couldn’t understand that closed captioning “illiteracy”. ASL is not great to teach deaf children or a bad education because they struggle how to read sentences. I am still unhappy if ASL exists in some public schools except deaf schools. Hopefully, cued speech will teach them instead in the future. Sigh poor deaf children 😢 STOP TEACHING SIGN LANGUAGE. CUED SPEECH IS THE BEST CHOICE INSTEAD!
It’s obviously useful to teach a deaf child sign language, but there’s an awful lot of people who are opposed to cochlear implants because they feel it threatens their identity or “deaf culture”.
Which is pretty fucking stupid when you think of it. Cochlear implants are fundamentally no different than a wheelchair, cane, or even eyeglasses - they all help you live a safer and more productive life. I am thankful my parents bought me eyeglasses when I was young. I think if someone told me to stop wearing them, embrace my Myopia and join some near-sighted “culture”, I would have laughed in their face.
Cochlear implants do have long-term negative side effects as well, which are not fully understood yet. They are not comparable to any of the other things you mentioned.
@@20thPaul What are the long term side effects? If they are not fully understood, how do you know they are inherently negative?
@@cashcleaner They can completely destroy your hearing, so if you have a little bit, you end up with none at all unless you have it turned on. This is an issue as hearing when you're not used to can be very overwhelming and can lead to sensory overload.
Also, you should not be using "productive" as a measure of the worth or quality of life of a human life.
If you had to permanently forfeit your ability to walk to use a wheelchair for increased mobility, would you do it? If using a wheelchair might not work at all, but would require a major surgery that left behind artificial devices that might cause migraines and interact with random tech in airports, stores, etc. Would you choose it for yourself? If using a wheelchair made people treat you like you could walk, when you can't use it in water, during sports, etc. Would you choose it? CI isn't the same as glasses. CI isn't like a WC. CI is CI. It has its place, but don't confuse it with anything else.
The fact you're asking Paul M to do your own research for you shows your ignorance. To make such a strong statement as their decision being "pretty fucking stupid" when you clearly don't know the negative side effects on your own; and you double down on that stupidity by making a claim that they provide "a safer and more productive life", while still not knowing the negative side effects or even taking the time to look it up beforehand. Stop being lazy and asking us to do your homework for you, you made these claims so you bear the responsibility of fact checking yourself. There's tons of pros and cons to cochlear implants, and their decision to take either route has nothing to do with you. Finally, there is no way at all are that cochlear implants are comparable to eyeglasses, which doesn't even require something as invasive as surgery for starters.
You basically said a whole lot of nonsense only to tell us that you're pretty fucking stupid.
It's kind of sad that so many parents of deaf children actively choose to inhibit their child by not learning sign language. It's very lazy on the parents part and it can have very negative ramifications for the deaf children. My opinion is that whether you are or are not deaf doesn't matter. Children should be taught ASL from a young age.
I took sign language in high school 4 years. I graduated in 2012.
This is sad, the parents should always learn sign
NO!
Cued Speech instead plz
Truth is sign language gets LANGUAGE... cochlear implants do not make sounds like we know. Special upkeep, denied of language but sounds like mickey mouse.. kids learn to please parents, but these kids will be HARMED by not signing 1st. Parents 95% won't sign. But i work with those kids- give them sign langauge keeps their brain flexible because of language not C.i
Inaccurate. On so many levels.
@@alexandermasters7827 zanthorton is accurate
@@anthony64632 my LO is bilaterally implanted. So. Respectfully: no.
@alexandermasters7827 it doesn't work for some bur works for others
@@anthony64632 it works 95% of the time. OP’s assertion that ‘kids learn to please parents’ is utter horseshit.
I can’t believe a 4 year old does not have any language skills.. That’s sad.
What’s worse is that she would have no language deficiencies if she had had access to sign. She would have had a totally typical development of communication in sign
This is awesome, this make me want to learn sign language and explore their culture.
Aleksei "As long as we have deaf people on earth, we will have signs. And as long as we have our films, we can preserve signs in their old purity. It is my hope that we will all love and guard our beautiful sign language as the noblest gift God has given to deaf people."-George Veditz, 1913.
*That’s Awesome!!!*
Stop talking about deaf children in the third person “she” “he” Tell them YOU!!!! And YES LEARN ASL. Insurances
Do not cover hearing aids and only cover cochlears but limitations are present.
The first mother is obviously from Poland, they don't have the ideas about disabilities that we do in the US, UK, etc. That said, they also should have done implantation earlier for better results if that's the route they wanted to go down. If you're going to invest that kind of $, do it when it will really work.
it does not always work for every deaf people
This is actually wrong (earlier is better). Studies have shown that language matters more than sound to a developing brain. ASL is language. Implantation creates a period of time where the child will have no access at all to sound, and if they lack ASL as well, they lack the most meaningful way to foster connection and language. It is better to wait until the child has a firm grasp on language via ASL, then, if you feel you must, do the CIs. However, the CIs have a less than stellar history, with only about 30% of deaf users actually benefiting from them, many having complications such as migraines, sensory overload, and chronic pain prompting them to remove the device(s).
CIs are probably best left for those who have experienced hearing to a impactful degree, who want more, or has lost what they had and want it back. Deaf people have gotten on perfectly fine, thrive even, when given access to language, culture, and support, just like any other people. Stop trying to "heal" them; they aren't broken. If they are disabled, it is by the society that refuses to accept them, not the lack of sound.
what a good episode. all the feels
It’s so bad children are not taught sign language and that the parents dont learn. Cochlear is just a devise when she takes it off, she is still deaf.
I don't think you can just take it off
@@adanactnomew7085 of course you can, you just take off the processor on the outside.
@@modiulelawson9790 that's like calling someone who wears glasses to correct their terrible vision blind.
@@adanactnomew7085 she is right that when they take off CI, they are deaf
@@anthony64632 yes, it can be removed, but not instantly like glasses. It's imbeded inside.
Cochlear implant is the world's worst fraud of all time. Many people were not aware that cochlear implants have only 22 channels. Hearing people have 6000 channels. The CI companies do not tell you the truth. All this suffering is not acceptable and unnecessary. We will rekindle for hope to overcome hate in Deaf community.
I have a cochlear implant, and I don't think this comment is very fair. Of course hearing people have more channels.. It's the natural standard. CI are not presumed to replicate hearing exactly, but they are very helpful IF you want to be part of the hearing world.
Suffering is a very objective word, do you mean pain?
Rigel W-H: Were you born deaf or hearing?
You're a shitty person.
24 channels. I have seen interviews of people with cochlears and comments online of people with cochlears and they all speak and respond to speech directed toward them very well.
Wow so you want people to be death and not have some hearing because you think that is hate? You sound messed up
Deaf culture seems a bit toxic. Being deaf is a disability. No two ways about it. People with deafness lack a sense that most other people have and one that is incredibly valuable. Encouraging parents to keep their children at a disadvantage is incredibly unfair to those children.
What I can tell you is, Deaf culture isn’t toxic. Yes, it lacks a sense but we, Deaf people, don’t really care about it. We just like to socialise with others and have good times. Yes, I’m Deaf.
@@lennoxbeard05 DC is incredibly toxic. And exclusionary. The only danger to the culture is the people themselves.
@@lennoxbeard05 I have noticed a It of toxicity. Not all are. But there are those who are unabashedly toxic.
@@lennoxbeard05 As with a LOT of cultures and groups, I wonder if there is a group being nasty on the internet that is giving a bad name to everyone else??
Actually, deafness is only a disability if one had sound, became depending upon it, and then it was taken away. Deaf people have thrived for many, many generations just fine. The lack of sound does not disable them, a society that demands everyone recognize sound only with their ears is what disables them. There are many ways to experience sound, when it is necessary. There are many ways to experience life; audibly is only one way, and not at all necessary for success.
I became curious about this when I saw a protest out side of a ear doctors office.
They have a right to preserve their culture, but they overstep into what hearing parents want for their own children, they doesn't see how cultures intersect or overlap. Thats between the child and its parents.
Preserve your culture by having YOUR OWN children who will most likely inherit the mutated gene that causes deafness.
Actually I read 90% of deaf kids are born to hearing parents and two deaf parents don't necessarily have deaf kids. It's not always genetic. Like Marlee Matlin became deaf after a virus or infection of some kind and all her kids are hearing.
It is much more than just culture. It's healthy child development. Look up language deprivation of Deaf children.
Xavier is a sweetheart
I think they should be fluent in both
i believe signing is a great way to communicate
Since this is just about america (cuz ASL) people probably think it will be hard or confusing for a child to be learning two languages essentially... Gurl, the rest (most) of the world all learns 2 just as basic standard with 0 issue and in europe a lot will even start to learn a third in school. Oh, you're an immigrant? well then you probably know your parents/family's native language too so that will make 4. So at the very least they'll be fluent in 3 languages and most will still not struggle with any significance.
Kids suck up language like nobody's business and will keep them with no trouble, providing they have opportunities to keep using them. Your kid can learn sign and english, thinking anything else is really selling your child short
Vice, the kind of education you are giving on cochlear implants is overwhelmingly incomplete. Why won’t you let cochlear implant users evaluate the product themselves? No audiologist, parent, or friend, no matter how compassionate, can do it any better than them. By doing so, you might find out that cochlear implants are not an instant panacea to deafness: it takes years of adaptation to a new sonic environment (one that is characterized by a metallic/clinical quality) academic accommodations and speech therapy to integrate the phono-centric world, not to mention the “deaf accent” that often comes with it, and the audist discrimination that cochlear implants users have to face.
Consider this: cochlear implants do not “restore” hearing. This kind of language frames deafness as an undesirable, unnatural, afflictive state. It dismisses a deaf person’s sonic world as one that is inauthentic and unreliable. Miriam was born severely deaf, what is there to “restore”, if deafness is her natural state?
Ikr! But ultimately, it is the child’s choice whether or not they want a cochlear implant, use ASL, or both. What’s important is to not force a choice onto the person.
Are you "big D" deaf?
Deafness IS undesirable lol what are you on about? Deafness is a disability. Having a disability is inherently negative. You are unable to do something that is natural to human beings. Hearing is a huge part of life. Deaf people are missing out of a whole aspect of human life, and helping deaf children to get a taste of that is not wrong. If you’ve been deaf since birth or early childhood, I don’t expect you to understand, not because you can’t understand, but because you probably don’t want to. This comment section is full of deaf people basically advocating for the ban of CI lol you all are just mad that a child with a CI will never choose deafness over hearing. I strongly wish that every deaf child in this world gets a CI or some other device or surgery that gives them back their hearing (even if they hear metallic/electronic sounds), the same way I strongly hope every person in a wheelchair gets the ability to walk on their two legs again even if they can’t run, or that all blind people get to see again even if its on a grayscale or blurry.
@@agme8045 Being deaf is not inherently negative. It does not always work for every deaf child.
Most deaf people in my area do not support CI. being fluent in asl i understand why, ASL offers a level of expression not available with conventional auditory language.
That’s not really true. It’s just done differently. The voice can use inflection. And hearing also make many facial expressions.
So horrible that the parents don't let her learn sign language. It houød be her right, not solely the parents decision.
Basically i know 3 language : sign language, english and romania language . :)
I KNOW MINECRAFT ENCHANTMENT TABLE LANGUAGE (jk)
I don`t know why, but seeing people hear for the first time is very moving for me.
I think it's great cochlear implants have such a high success rate and it should be used for the deaf it their parents or themselves feel it's best for them. However-- whomever receives an implant should still learn sign language because it is still incredibly useful for a myriad of reasons.
only 30% success, not high
Things change with technology - "culture" changes, with technology. I don't quite understand what a "deaf culture" is supposed to be, especially to someone who can now hear, and why kids that have these implants, and have been given the ability to hear need to be part of something that is no longer an issue in their lives. It's different from an ethnic group abandoning/keeping their native language and culture because your ethnicity is with you always and part of who you are for the rest of your life; being "cured" of deafness makes once deaf people no longer a part of that "culture", unless they choose to be.
GeeseBear there’s a lot to deaf culture for example everyone has a sign name that signifies a personality trait (using the first letter of their name in ASL) another part of deaf culture is story telling where they make up a story using the letters A-Z as a sign similar to how we have children’s books...deaf culture is a legit thing
Wow I've never heard of this
Good one.
So, basically those parents were too lazy to learn a single thing about Deaf culture or ASL to help their daughter, and instead chose to have a surgeon cut open her head, saw through her skull, and have a device attached to her brain, because actually TRYING to communicate with her in a real way was too hard? They took away her options, exposed her to a very real and dangerous surgical procedure, and didn't even try to get to know her for who she was. "We didn't do ASL, we're just gonna fix her." What kind of bullshit lazy ads "parenting" is that? To not even TRY? That girl is still deaf. Just now she will have no idea there is a community and a language that would have supported her but her own parents thought she was broken and didn't want to deal with the hassle. Doctors are being successfully sued for and refusing to perform circumcision on infants because they cannot consent to the surgery. A CI is just as invasive and changes an entire being. I can't wait until it is illegal for parents to do this to their children.
Not necessarily too lazy at all. Most times, parents are not at all informed of the options for their child to grow and learn. When our son was diagnosed with profound hearing loss, the first thing out of the audiologists mouth was that he was a candidate for cochlear implants. If you don't know that deaf culture exists, how can you choose to embrace it?
shredder4286 Seriously? Laziness is the only way to explain it. Thirty seconds on google and I learned how to fix a pipe under my sink. My roommate used it to fix the alternator on his car. I found the best chickens for my climate.
In this internet age there is even LESS excuse for outright ignorance. Even without the internet being ignorant of a subject so important is inexcusable. It's your child! Pick up a freaking book for two seconds, it's not that difficult.
(While we're on the subject, it's lazy ass doctors, too. Telling parents 'we'll just "fix" it' instead of helping to show there are options.)
adelaamarante Maybe you wouldn't understand until you experience it yourself. Finding out your child is deaf can be a shocking experience. For the first year and a half, the Drs falsely passed my son on audiology tests and said he was speech delayed. Why would we go to Google when the doctors (many within our group) were all telling us the same thing. It's not laziness.
shredder4286 So, you take the word of doctor as gospel and do no independent research of your own whatsoever? Even though it was clear to you your own child was suffering. Didn't pick up a book or search a few symptoms on your own? Nothing? That's laziness.
I kept passing eye exams as a child because I could make out shapes through the fog. But my parents noticed I kept getting headaches and struggled to read things they knew I could read. So they looked into it, read what they could find at the library, and demanded better for me. I had bad eyesight and astigmatism and finally got glasses at four years old because my parents took the time and knew something was wrong. They fought for me.
Yes. Laziness.
You really have no idea how a cochlear implant surgery works.
If someone is Pure Deaf no matter the type of hearing aid at the disposal at the time given it will not take away the ability of not hearing. Deaf Culture is a thing just as Blind Culture is a thing
What are you talking about
Xavier's mother is ABUSING him to make some sort of cultural/political statement. Unless he goes and hunkers down in a town near Galaudet for the rest of his life he will be interacting with misting none ASL speaking, hearing people and he will be at a great disadvantage because of it.
That is not at all true.
This is a few examples of the same madness from the book: Teaching for diversity and social justice.
"In their view, they are not disabled but rather obstructed by negative interactions with controlling health and social service
systems. Mental health system survivors, for example, reject psychiatric labels as part of their fight against forced “treatment” by the mental health system. Activist organizations such as MindFreedom, United Action for Human Rights in Mental Health and Lunatic’s Liberation Front advocate for awareness of and rights for psychiatric survivors, and share information on how to counteract the oppression of the psychiatric system, which includes forced outpatient drug treatment and mandatory mental health screening."
"Anyone can become disabled through sickness, aging, accidents, or acts of violence or war, or even due to stresses from the increased pace of life. Thus, disability touches every one of us personally or through the lives of people about whom we care. For this reason, we refer to people who do not have disabilities as temporarily able-bodied."
"People with disabilities who are part of this political movement reject the notion that being disabled is an inherently negative experience or in any way descriptive of something broken or abnormal. They see disability as a positive term. Proponents of this perspective take pride in the differences in their bodies and minds and strive to make others aware of their experiences and accomplishments. Finally, some groups of people defined by society as having disabilities do not see
themselves as disabled at all. For example, many Deaf people see themselves as a cultural group separate from “the hearing” group. They take pride in and wish to preserve their own language and patterns of community."
"For many persons with disabilities, becoming disabled has profoundly changed their lives in positive ways that could not be imagined at the time of an accident or at the initial diagnosis of an illness. For increasing numbers of people with disabilities, becoming nondisabled, even through miraculous cures, is not what they desire."
"Likewise, many disability rights advocates oppose abortion because of their objection to aborting fetuses with disabilities. They argue that pro-choice advocates have not considered the implications of their support for abortion for people with disabilities."
This was very informative! The doctor's lack of enthusiasm made me feel sad haha
Anybody here read "An Anthropologist On Mars"
weird how american sign and uk sign language is different from each other
khail chain Not really. Ive been taking ASL classes for the last 2 years and sometimes I cant understand signs from across the country. Verbal languages are different among countries even close to each other. No difference in non-verbal language.
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Been thanking Dr.Hinrich Staecker, E.N.T. /Surgeon from KU MEDICAL CENTER.. These 2 (each ear) mastoidrctomy-tympanoplasty surgeries this last year are amazing..very painful-yet amazing skill he has! I now hear things I never could before. He is the best in the United States...if anyone has a chance, go see him! I would take my children for surgery with him if ever necessary! Thank God!
Interesting perspective. I think the best point is that the implants are still implants and don't actually grant them unaided hearing. What if something happens and they cant use or get implants anymore? I think they should be given an implant if they want one anyone, but it would be good to learn sign langauge anyway.
I firmly believe that parents who choose to get their kids a CI are doing it for their own benefit. It takes the pressure off from learning asl for them and their kids. It's almost like they're embarrassed to have a deaf child and only want them to hear and speak as much as possible. I firmly support kids having the right and the option to learn asl and any spoken language if they can. Kids shouldn't be denied learning asl and deaf culture.
Yes ASL
so maybe I'm completely lost but, what's the point of them uploading 5 minute segments of this doc.? is it being steamed strictly on HBO or what, cause it's getting annoying seeing them tease good content only for it to be a teaser.
I hope someone uses this revolution to make sign language more accessible to all Americans. Considering the increase in nationalism over the last few years, it surprises me more people aren’t pushing for a language invented in America to be taught in schools.
Although I think its cool deaf people are starting community's for each other, you shouldn't deprive another human being the option of living normally.
I think it'd be pretty cool to be able to turn my hearing down, or sign across the room in a noisy environment. Maybe I should learn a few more signs - I already know a couple of swear words/signs :)
CI are 30 effective , not 80 %
This is an other example of the madness of Identity policy.
I am reminded of that woman who had drain cleaner poured in her eyes so she could identify as _blind._
I am o Happy for Miriam but there are millions of children that are suffering round the worl
I will always be against cochlear implants - after seeing so many of my Deaf friends still struggling to communicate with their non-signing hearing families/co-workers/bosses/strangers --- and their exhaustion after using it all day long, they look forward to taking it off and totally relax. It's not natural and
ASL culture is dying due to forcing to 'assimilate' with the demands from hearing people who fear their child won't be "normal".
So you are against a tool that can help people?
@@babecat2000 it can be a useless tool to some deaf people
Doesn't anybody find it weird that no RUclips video has more dislikes than likes?
Yeah I'm gonna have my kid stay deaf even though we have the technology to have the kid be able to hear.
Haha yeah, ridiculous. lol
someone need to invent robotic ears..
What video were you just watching?
I'm a negative troll, but this made me smile. I shall spare it.
This makes me want a deaf Friend they look like nice peoole ^_^
i dont really get the deaf culture argument. becuase of one reason: if they are in danger or someone else and they cant see them they cant hear them--> cant get help or give help. children of deaf parents died because of that.
Nonsense
And here I was hoping to learn about deaf metal.
I feel for the deaf culture dude, but come on. If you can give your child a chance to hear surely you must take that?
Or, you could learn to help your Deaf child be the best they can be without having a surgeon cut open their skulls to implant a device directly on their brain that the child can't consent to and would be perfectly fine without. Just takes some effort.
That's a logical assumption. In our case, our son hated his cochlears, and as a result of going that direction, was language delayed until he was taught ASL
I'm 17 and I consented, you're generalizing.
So let your kid be disabled because you think you know better.
If a car is broken you don't call it cultured...you fix the car.
deaf people aren't "broken"..it's just a different way of being a person. The only thing deaf people can't do is hear.
There's no 'broken car culture' there is however a deaf culture.
You may not need to fix the car if it gets you to your destination.
Deaf =/= "broken"
Boooo! Wrong attitude to have. Very simplistic way at looking at a complicated problem.
What?
The deaf equivalent of Luddism.
Karl Liebknecht "As long as we have deaf people on earth, we will have signs. And as long as we have our films, we can preserve signs in their old purity. It is my hope that we will all love and guard our beautiful sign language as the noblest gift God has given to deaf people."-George Veditz, 1913.
You clearly have no interaction with Deaf people. For that misfortune, I feel sorry for you.
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It's kind of like cursive writing. People don't want it to die because lots of historical documents etc are written in cursive, but eventually it will die out. I think a similar thing will happen here. When you have an option that can improve quality of life so much and allow them to hear, I couldn't imagine not giving a deaf child (if I had one) the chance to hear and see the world as we do.
George Day But some are fully Deaf and nothing can help them hear so they have to sign and please try to learn about more Deaf culture :)
@@SaAkinBuhayjust because there are deaf people that cannot be ‘fixed’, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t ‘fix’ deaf kids who do have options available. Making the deaf community larger is not the solution, the ultimate solution would be to fully integrate deaf people into mainstream society. Teaching kids basic Sign language in school, making the streets safer for deaf people, etc. You don’t build a gated community perfectly designed to house people in wheelchairs, you change the current neighborhoods and buildings to be wheelchair friendly, you encourage people from a young age to help disabled people.
Check out the very first deaf princess
ruclips.net/video/EV_hwNcOUqg/видео.html
I completely disagree with deaf people who say that cochlear implants should never be fitted to children who were born deaf, and should only be fitted when the child turns 18. They know full well that by that stage it would be too late, as the brain rewires itself and loses the ability to process audio at all. I do agree with teaching sign language in conjunction with implants, but then again I think ALL children should learn sign language!
I swear these deaf people are nuts
NO SIGN LANGUAGE IS PROHIBITED AND CUED SPEECH IS LEGAL!
Lou Ferrigno “Hulk” speaks English and no sign language because he got a hearing aid when he was 4 in 1955. I was so surprised by him. Elon Musk said “What’s the point of sign language in a video if you have substitutes? Am I missing something?” He is right because most deaf people couldn’t understand that closed captioning “illiteracy”. ASL is not great to teach deaf children or a bad education because they struggle how to read sentences. I am still unhappy if ASL exists in some public schools except deaf schools. Hopefully, cued speech will teach them instead in the future. Sigh poor deaf children 😢 STOP TEACHING SIGN LANGUAGE. CUED SPEECH IS THE BEST CHOICE INSTEAD! Sign language is risky because I remember a doctor gave me her note-taking and she wrote “Are you upset”. I didn’t know what a word was but I was 11. That’s a HUGE disappointment. My public school had a bad education, sign language is not English, and DELAY speech. I tried to encourage them to cued speech instead. There are new technologies such as cochlear implants and hearing aids, so sign language is not necessary for deaf children right now. By the way, today is 2024 not the 1800s. ASL is beautiful but it should NOT be taught to deaf children unless teenagers or adults because they will be illiterate if they can't read or have difficulty writing English maybe. Truth: ruclips.net/video/Ne46UDOO06U/видео.htmlsi=VtMqIVlQNJL3KWER I need to fix that timeline. Thanks for understanding.
sign language - a native tongue *FACEPALM* i think everything else has already been said in the comment section
There should be no deaf culture. When someone loses his hearing there should be a way to restore it. The future must be one of health and enhancement not denial and weakness.
There is no such thing as "restoring" ear. Choclear Implant or Hearing Aid will never restore deaf people to hear it but they do wear it because it can be very useful for them to hear sounds because of their reasons but it doesn't mean that they understand everything what are hearing people saying. There would be always deaf culture and always deaf people. You wouldn't say this such as thing if you are deaf or hearing (knowledge of studies of Deaf). I was born as a deaf and always deaf with wearing choclear implant. Of course, I do know my first language which is BSL (British Sign Language).
Do you think being deaf is weak?
@@kab799 there is. FX-322 regrows hair cells. SNHL accounts for about 80% of hearing loss/deafness.
@@lennoxbeard05 No, being deaf is not weak. If we have poorly understanding of deaf people, we might treat deaf people poorly from others. We all need to treat people positively regardless of their deafness, blindness and others.
why isn't he talking
Mateo Arredondo He's deaf and never learned to hear himself speak.
Mateo Arredondo No, it's really hard to learn how to speak when your born deaf.
Have you even heard deaf people speak? It's like they are drunk but all the time.
JewTube Do they sound like kids with downs
Yep it sucks that you are deaf it is a serious condition that we can now fix. Therefore we fix it.
deafness doesn't need to be "fixed", people can live perfectly normal lives without getting HA or CI and that's a very personal choice that should be left up to the individual person or their parents. CI are not a quick fix to deafness, the individual will still have to learn how to process sounds and go through years of speech and language therapy, etc. And the sound is not like regular sound, it's robotic and garbled.
@@nicolestone6201so you oppose any existing cure?
@@hello-sz7hp doctors are not honest that there are disadvantages with CI