When the Stick of Joseph guys, the Ward Radio guys, and Dave Butler & Mike Day all get together is the best crossover since that time when the Power Rangers met the Ninja Turtles
The Sacrifice of the Two Goats: The two goats were required to look exactly alike (just like they were twins). There is a type and shadow for this, with the twins Jacob and Esau-both nations were struggling in Rebecca’s womb about to be born. In the womb (in the pre-existence) they wrestled with each other over which one would be the firstborn and thus covenant son. Brothers-Jehovah and Lucifer in the pre-existence struggle to be the covenant son. While Rebecca was in labor pains, a leg came out, and the midwife, wrapped a red thread around it, but then, it went back in, and the other child came out. When Jacob came out he had a hold of Esau’s heel. So which son would become the covenant son? The one with the red thread? It was Rebecca’s decision to decide. She acting as priestess. Speaking of the two goats… The high priest determined which goat was dedicated to the Lord (Yahweh who was without sin to make a covering) and which one would be labeled the scapegoat (for Azazel-Satan) all the sins of Israel would be placed on it’s head. The high priest would wrap a red thread around the scapegoat and sent it away free. Then the priest would tie another red thread on the door of the temple. The scapegoat would run into the mountains and eventually throw itself off the cliff to its death. The priest would sacrifice the covenant goat and wait for the thread on the temple door to turn from red to white. When it was white, he knew Israel’s sins were forgiven, and the scapegoat was dead. This is the meaning of “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.” (Isaiah 1:18) Isaiah 1:1820 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: 20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it. Esau was the firstborn, however, he married out of the covenant and therefore disqualified himself from receiving the birthright. He also had no respect for the covenant and sold it to his brother on a whim. Rebecca decided that Jacob was to be the covenant son, even though Isaac wanted Esau to receive it. Isaac told Esau to go hunt and bring back meat and make him some stew and then he would give him the covenant blessing. Rebecca heard this and so she told Jacob to go out and get two goats….which she then killed. Rebecca told Jacob what to do and whatever sin would be placed upon her head. She made the stew for Isaac and then “made a covering” of skin (wool) to “cover over” Jacob’s arm (to make Isaac think it was hairy Esau). The Atonement of the Lamb of God “covers over” our sins. Jacob received the birthright. Esau came home ready to receive it, but Isaac, had rightfully already given it to Jacob.
Also, I've read the Old Testament cover to cover (including the Song of Solomon) two times in my life: in 1995-96 school year when we studied it in seminary that year, and again while serving my mission in 03-04 among many Evangelicals in the area around Chicago. Some YA women I was teaching had been given anti-Mormon literature about the temple ceremony and were asking questions about it. Since I had been studying the OT on my mission and highlighting verses or phrases that reminded me of the temple endowment, I took them to Leviticus 9 and had them read it and told them that most of what we did in the temple was similar to how Moses washed, anointed, and clothed Aaron and his sons minus the animal blood since Christ had already fulfilled that aspect of our worship with his sacrifice. But yes, not enough members read the Bible and I had never made the connection that the Book of Mormon was the Urim & Thummim to the Bible, but it absolutely is!
First RUclips comment ever... Nearly every time I leave church on Sunday my wife asks, how was class? And I say, it was good but I'm frustrated because I feel like everyone missed what the scripture was teaching. This episode and many of your other material, challenges me in the way I thirst.
Sunday Gospel Doctrine is supposed to be simple enough for even the weakest members, the newest members, and any visitors to feel the spirit and understand. The meat is for us to learn on our own, as we do when we read, study, pray, and watch these amazing videos. Teaching Gospel truths has to be kept simple. This does make it hard to find fellow deep seekers who are all on the same page. Having said this, I believe we are all eventually going to get there in time. We have to have great sound understanding when Christ returns. We really need to know the doctrine so much better than on that simple level. Time is running out, for sure, not only for repentance, but to learn all we can and act on what we have learned. It must increase our devotion, our dedication, our temple attendance, our repentance, faith, etc. With great knowledge comes great power if it is applied properly and allows us to become more like The Savior.
I have read Leviticus many many times, and all I can say is that my mind was blown my understanding has exploded, and I can see the representation in the tomb as being the ark of the covenant I can see Jesus as the sacrificial lamb, and I can see Barabbas as the one that was allowed to go free. The symbolism is right on and absolutely amazing.. I want more❤❤❤
The Dueteronomists don't mention the urim and thummin because they found a dark stone in the bottom of a well and decided to use it instead for convenience.😅
Cardon's skepticism about the ark of the covenant parallel is answered with one principle. Things and places become holy when they come into contact with the Holy One and His ordinances. The ordinances are where the power of God is made manifest. (D&C 84:20-21)
I was just thinking that the stone being rolled away is like the veil being parted, so people can see into the Holy of Holies! Then you see inside the ark as it is with two angels as the cherubim.
I like what you say about the Book of Mormon. When you know that the Book of Mormon is true, you have to reinterpret and relativize your understanding of the Bible to what the Book of Mormon says. The same thing happened with Paul. When he came to a testimony of Jesus, he had to go back and re read the scriptures with the lens of his testimony of Jesus Christ and reinterpret a lot of what he understood before.
Yahweh created Satan. Ezekiel 28. Yahweh in a flesh tabernacle has a name and that is Jesus. Jesus is eternal and everything was created by him, through him and for him. Jesus is God. Satan , as a rebellious created created spirit; an Angel (numbers 22, Matthew 4, Luke 22, Job 1) destroys of his own free will, which he chose but is obedient to the word of Yahweh.
I love this series. Dave Butler blows my mind all of the time. One comment, as a Sunday School teacher I have taught out of Leviticus. In 2022 Come Follow Me, three chapters of Leviticus are in the curriculum--1, 16, and 19. But the same lesson also has chapters from Exodus. Granted that isn't much. It has always been on us to read and study and learn on our own. It is a mistake to assume that it is on the Church to teach us things beyond how to live right, recognize the Spirit, and understand covenants.
To a point but it is also up to the church to help navigate into more restoration....so when do they step in and give the more and when is it incumbent on us to understand what we have until they provide the more. There is a responsibility on both sides ....which is why prophets like mosiah have given their sermons and teachings to ensure that their garments are spotless having given their all to teach all that they can. So much more is coming up in archaeology....it seems that more is imminent...but we will have to wait for their direction on what and when
@@davidmickelle7326President Nelson has definitely told us that it is our responsibility to learn and read and pray and listen. If the Spirit is telling me to read specific scripture, I need to read and pray for understanding.
@@Famr4evr not saying he didn't and that we shouldn't...but when it comes to doctrinal restoration that is not an individual's role to define...we can receive and need to receive all kinds of insights and revelations however their relevance is our lives only and when and what we share over the pulpit and in Sunday school is not necessarily all that we have been shown...that is until the prophets also declare it over the pulpit. So there are limitations to what we can share based on what has been restored through Prophetic Revelation and not just our own personal prophetic revelation.
@davidmickelle7326 Agree! I have been learning a lot about hesed/חסד and its relationship to covenants and such for the past like six months through books, lectures, and essays about how it might possibly be the word behind “covenant” in the Book of Mormon, and was itching to share with people, but hesitant to make any grand conclusions about anything (I had started wondering if, because it’s a covenant term, it is also related to sealings), and then I was listening to the Josh Sears episodes of Follow Him and HE brought up hesed, and then he mentioned that President Nelson had taught in 2022 that hesed is the new and everlasting covenant and then I was like YES!! Share away with confidence!! And then I was assigned the topic of the third article of faith for sacrament meeting a couple weeks later and was like, “ugh, obedience…. Wait! Hesed has to do with our oridinances!!!” It was all very serendipitous! God is great like that 😊 For something like, this, though (basically flipping the OT on its head…) I feel we will be waiting a while before (if..) any official affirmations come out. But no harm in exploring theology as long as we keep in mind theology is NOT the same as doctrine!
I do remember that the reforms of King Joshiah lead the campaign of removing messianic references of Christ from the OT texts. These weren't small things removed from the OT, these were Plain and Precious Truths.
This group should do a come follow me channel together, take us through the entire 4 standard works, pulling in all your knowledge of various languages, translations, apocraphal correlations, etc. Etc. I want to hear it ALL... such good stuff!!!!
Margaret Barker spoke of the Deuteronomists in the same terms in a speech at The Library of Congress as contained in the book, The Worlds of Joseph Smith. She even specifically mentioned this may be at least part of the, "plain and precious things" taken out of the scriptures that The Book of Mormon tells us.
My two bits on the Sunday School rant. I've been in Come Follow Me groups with new converts, people with simple cognitive functions, or adults still learning how to read. They're on a milk diet, and shouldn't be left behind because someone demands meat. If someone wants to learn beyond the Sunday school lesson, it's their own responsibility, not the church's.
So I listened to podcasts in October and then this one came up . Like it followed exactly the next thought . 6 months apart . Sooo interesting how it completará the next thought . Going backwards proves the present . Crazyyyy!
13:56 elder holland references Barrabas name son of the father and picking one of the two to release by Pilate. Very neat. One of my favorite talks by Elder Holland.
The Church’s responsibility is to SUPPORT us in our gospel study and be a RESOURCE in teaching our family. This is why we have been given Come Follow Me to teach in our family. Ultimately our personal study to attain knowledge cannot be replaced by being hand-fed in Sunday School. The members of the class show how much personal study they do by the comments they make in class-no matter if they are seasoned members or new converts.
Another great video. I love seeing these men of faith together. Looking forward to more of this, but also want to see some more Jacob Hansen and Luke Hansen and Jonah Barnes videos. Mike Day, David Butler, Jackson Paul… this stuff is awesome!
It seems like it all the reforms were more to centralize power and authority. ‘Forget all those times Jacob and Moses spoke with God face to face (or touched him! God doesn’t have a body, Jacob didn’t actually wrestle God). No one can talk to God except the authorized priests, in the only official temple, in Jerusalem. No one can see God. God has no body. God has no children. Forget what it says in Psalms 86 about a council of gods and “ye are gods.” Only the priests have the ability to commune with God. God will never have a body. Forget all that stuff in Genesis about being made in His image. Heck, forget that “Elohim” is plural! And forget that “Shaddai” is related to “breasts/שדיים/shaddaim” (as “El Shaddai/אל שדי” translates as God of the Mountains (mountains=הרים) but is most often translated as “God Almighty” in the Bible because the word meaning “to overpower/שדד/shadad” is, fortunately for the scribes, close enough to the word for “breasts/shadaim/שדיים). And all sacrifices are TO God, to appease Him because we sin, not to remind us that we know the Son will come down to save us from sin. The sacrifices are not AS God, only TO God. Forget all that, there’s only one God, and He has neither gender nor body nor children, and humans are but mere creatures and not children. And only the priests are allowed to have anything to do with God.’ Not unlike the councils to formalize doctrine to cease infighting (and therefore more easily control the populace), the death of the belief in premortality (6th century under emperor Julian..?), along with a loss of the belief (in the West, anyway) in theosis/divinization/exaltation (the Eastern Orthodox branches never forgot that bit of doctrine, or that marriage is eternal). History repeats!
I’m so grateful for the Restoration of Christ’s church. For the restoration of the priesthood keys, and that we have temple so we can make covenants and do the work for our ancestors. What a blessing from our Father in Heaven.
Cardon, John 18:3 tells you why they fell down: ..."a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharacees..." These were devout Temple Guards and officers.They would have been as devout as can be. Their falling would have been almost reflexive to hearing "The Name" in this highly charged atmosphere.
John seems to have been saying everything possible to bear witness that Jesus is the Christ, the Holy Son of God. Therefore, these claims do not seem implausible in the least. Thanks to these good brothers for sharing their insights.
This actually makes the first chapter of John even more meaningful. In John 1 he testifies that the Word was with God, that he is God. The “Word” or “word of the Lord” in the O.T. Is a reference to Christ in many cases. Then at the end of the Gospel of John you see repetition of the sacred name followed by two angels signifying the presence of a mercy seat that is newly occupied. John has given anyone of Jewish upbringing a POWERFUL witness that Jesus was indeed the Great I AM, the lamb, the sacrificial goat.
Those guys were just wrong when they said we didn’t learn about Leviticus and the feast of the Atonement in Sunday School. I remember teaching it. It was the May 2-8 lesson. We may not have taught his theory about the connection with the Gospel of John. But I think there’s a good reason not to teach academic theories as fact. They’re interesting and fun to listen to in settings like Ward Radio. But academic theories - and even academic consensus - can and do change.
The great thing about symbols (such as comparing the Ark of the Covenant to the Tomb of Joseph of Arimathea) is that there are two major types, just as there are two ways of delivering truth in general: explicitly and implicitly. The Lord commanded the children of Israel to create the Ark of the Covenant to house the Ten Commandments, and instituted in pureness all of the ordinances related to it for the purpose of teaching future generations of the covenant the meaning of the Atonement. After Christ was crucified, his body was placed inside a tomb that was meant to house another (isn't it interesting that "The Son of Man has no place to lay his head" in death, even when the temple of God was standing right there in Jerusalem; but I digress). Whether historically accurate or not, an apostle of the Lord gave witness to the presence of two angels, taking their places at the foot and head of the (foundation) stone upon which the body of Christ no longer lay. In other words, in this case, the same God who instituted the explicit symbols also authorized the witness of the implicit ones. This should bring comfort to anyone worried about the authority of this particular connection: no "imagination" is required, nor any "stretch" in the truth to establish meaning for both the explicit and implicit symbols as they echo. That may not be "enough," I know. Especially to those for whom a true and factual 100%-verifiable historical retelling of what actually happened is an absolute necessity. But that's the thing about symbols, both explicit and implicit: they contain power and truth without regard (or perhaps, thank the Lord, in spite of) man's ever-imperfect recollection of the past. In fact, you'll sometimes find that symbols tell the real story, and that it takes time for the historical facts of the matter to catch up to them. In my opinion, the Lord commands the creation of explicit symbols to explain, justify, beautify, and exemplify the reality of the implicit symbolic events that occur in our very broken world. And I would argue this point: just as "in the ordinances [of the Priesthood], the power of godliness is manifest," so perform the function of explicit symbols as we teach and remember and even practice them. But does this make the explicit symbols more "real" than the implicit ones, more authoritative, more meaningful, or more powerful? I think the more pertinent set of questions would be: "For those that have eyes to see and ears to hear... what do they see? And what do they hear? What art Thou, O Lord, to them that find?"
15:30 in my head cannon and if i was a clever screenwriter for a show like The Chosen I would do a movie about Jesus Barabus but that is the big reveal at the end of the movie... The movie would have the Prisoner Barabus thrown in a cell recounting to his cellmate what brought him to this point of his life and the movie would have flashbacks to the decision points of his life that brought him here sharing his life with his cellmate. Throught the Course of his telling he comes to grip with his fate and expresses a deep desire for a 2nd chance at life... We realize that he is is sharing a cell with Jesus Christ Barabus a condemned killer is ultimately given an opportunity akin to Sauls an opportunity to go forth and sin no more When the crowd thinks they are cheering for the release of a murderer what they ultimately are doing is cheering for the release of a redeemed man unknowingly who goes forth as one of the many un named disciples that spread the good news.. anyway i think it could make for a good short video that would help us to see the truth that we are to see ourselves as barabus in that situation by our actions we ought to be condemned but for the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ we are given an opportunity at a new life.
My sister in law (a Catholic ( had a fit when I told her that Lucifer is Christ's sibling. So I asked my neighbor who is Catholic, who teaches Catechism and she told me that the Catholic Church has always taught that. She said the scriptures testifies of that fact. So I concluded that many people do not remember or was not taught or they were not listening to the teachings of their Church. So sometimes this is a factor to consider in evaluating the doctrines of various religions in the world.
Personally, for me, I love to know of the layering and symbolism that I did not know of and did not recognize the symbolism. Honestly, so much of this brings light bulb moments for me. I love getting all this on Ward Radio and the Stick of Joseph. I wholeheartedly agree that Sunday school should be just that. School. We miss so much meatiness that we yearn for and are not given.
Dave Butler and Mike Day have it going on. The whole ark thing and the tomb was very very cool. I don't think it was a stretch to say John was making a connection to the ark for those that have ears to hear.
You are always blowing my mind! I need more definitions for the Sermon on the Mount. As far as the Temple goes. Link that show or teach me again. Thanks!
This topic is relevant at this time. Going to have to watch it again so I can digest all the information presented, but can’t wait for episode 3, and 4 and 5 and 6. Awesome guys.
The Deuteronomist movement gives a lot of context to the various trials prophets are put through. Abinadi, Alma and Amulek, they all question around this idea of a humble self sacrificing Messiah utilizing their questioning to trap and ensnare so they can kill due to blasphemy. If it weren't for the Deuteronomist themes...these entrapments just seem like they're ignorant lumpkins not having any real sophistication just people too foolish to understand the gospel. But if it's looked at from a Deuteronomist/Josiah kill all visionaries entrapment scenario it takes on a different hue.
The idea about people falling when Jesus’ name was said: The laws of nature causes “Every knee to bend and every tongue to confess that Jesus is the Christ.” (Philippians 2:19-11; Romans 14:11) A person’s mind may not accept or know that Jesus is the Christ-in order for them to choose to fall down and confess. But that person’s physical body…..knows who the Creator is. Our body is organized from earthly element and that element immediately knows and obeys the Creator. The fact that these people fell when Jesus’ name was said….shows that their bodies were witnessing that He was in fact the Great I am. Romans 14:11-12 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Philippians 2:10-11 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Exodus 25:18-20. The angels surrounding the mercy seat where (Leviticus 16) the blood of the bullock and the goat was sprinkled. John 20:12. Types and shadows...
The cherubim on the ark could represent The two cherubim guarding the tree of life. The 2 angels in the tomb Signify to me That because of the blood there, Now we CAN partake of the tree of life And NOT ive forever in our sins. It gave us a way to get past the cherubim. It is the mercy seat.❤
Ahhhh..... so this is how every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ when He comes again - even those who previously were not believers. The actual name of Yaweh being spoken has this resonance to bring those who hear it to their knees.
Fascinating. No David Butler is not off his rocker. The imagery of the completion of the Day of Atonement in the garden tomb is really striking. Based on how much symbolism is in the temple it makes sense to me that this was an intentional closing image to reflect that the atonement had been completed.
If you are learning deeper things, SHARE what you can during lessons at church. And please don't start a comment with "I know better" etc. Paul had to write letters in his time correcting the more learned/long-time members for causing the newer members to stumble. We are to look on others with compassion and seek to lift them up ❤ and contributing to Sunday school with comments is a great way to help others realize that there's MORE - a whole *feast.*
Idk that yall even read these comments, but on this very topic of the brass plates being different. Nephi, jacob, enos, all obtained the plates. They also had to learn "the language of our fathers". The first mention of language was from the tower of babel. Same tower that the jaredites came from. I believe that the brass plates contained writings from the original language. Also note that lehi didnt gift the plates to his firstborn. Nephi didnt even give them to any of his kids. Typically, old jews would gift such a thing as a birthright to their oldest son. It seems to me that nephi didnt have any kids worthy enough to pass the plates to so he gave them to his brother Jacob.
I understand why Sunday School needs to keep things basic. What they should do is bring back School of the Prophets in each Stake, or make it part of the CES but available in each Stake, where those who want a deeper dive can go.
Could the stone being rolled away be symbolic of the waters gushing forth from the Well of Souls, flowing like unto a river which is representative of the love of God as Nephi and Lehi saw?
Lena Einhorn wrote a book titled A Shift in Time where she describes Yeshua Barabbas and Yeshua of Nazareth as possibly one and the same. Yeshua of Nazareth could very well have been considered a robber in his day. He was certainly politically active and a thorn to both the Roman and the Jewish elite. Jesus of Nazareth led a group of very influential men (apostles), including a Simon the Zealot, and a Judas the Iscariot (or Judas the Sicarii), and Flavius Josephus even writes that Judas the Galilean was a Sicarius. Yeshua of Nazareth even refers to his Father as "Abba" which was a very familiar way of call one's father, 'daddy'. Wouldn't this have made him Yeshua Barabbas? Very interesting book.
this is all fascinating. I have questions, Mike mentioned a sacred embrace between mary and christ, I see nothing to indicate that in John, infact He says" touch me not" Jn 20:17 Also I believe david metioned that in the tomb, where Christ laid represented the Ark of the Covenant. and said that christ had ascended and sat on the throne of God. Yet in John 20:17 he tells Mary he had not as yet. Explain
AT 2:50 - Re: Mormons believe Christ is the brother of Satan. - You have to remember that Christians who believe in the Trinity see Christ as another aspect/face of God, not a separate entity who has goals and aspirations and levels of love for us equal to those of Heavenly Father. Again, it all goes back to needing to know the nature of God. BTW, King Josiah "discovering" a new scroll in the temple (early version of Deuteronomy) telling the people that they needed to consolidate all worship into activities at the Jerusalem Temple is very convenient for the Saducees, who controlled the Temple and all of the offerings made there. It makes a person wonder if Josiah's (640BCE - 609BCE) actions weren't the final straw that brought about the Babylonian invasion. Just thinking.
The Holy Trinity is 3 Persons of one Godly Essence. Each Person is fully the one God, but not the other Person. Christ Himself is fully man and fully God, two natures unmingled and inseparable. To say that He is an aspect/face of God would be to say God changes modes, which is Modalism, not Trinitarian.
The old temple scroll was found after all the scriptures had been burned for some time. King Josiah’s grandfather, King Manasseh, ordered all the scriptures to be brought forth to be burned. Manasseh put idols in the temple and the high places and forced the people to bow down to them. King Josiah was attempting to salvage the evil that his grandfather and father did. However, the judgements had already been cast, and Josiah’s attempt only gave Israel a little more time, but then after Josiah, it all went down hill again. Josiah seemed to take after his great grandfather, King Hezekiah. Both were considered “good kings” (compared to the wicked kings). But they also made mistakes by attempting to “right the ship” so to speak. Kings are not prophets and they overstepped their authority. During Heziekiah’s day, Isaiah was the prophet and he didn’t always agree with the king’s tactics.
Josephus also says that Barabbas name was also Jesus. So when Pilate says whom shall I release, Jesus the son of the FATHER, the Messiah, or Jesus the son of the father.
Also, have you guys ever heard Ron Wyatt's stuff regarding the ark of the covenant being hidden beneath golgotha, and when Christ died the earth was rent, a crack in the rocky hill split down from the base of the cross allowing a trickle of blood from Christ on the cross to drip onto the ark of the covenant, aka mercy seat. Interesting stuff
So I think Jonah needs to listen to Jack Logan Ancient Traditions. She has only 4 on RUclips so most of her podcasts are on her website. She studies all the ancient religions and points that all ancient religions come from one central religion which consisted of Temple rights. Everything she talks about connects to all we believe about the Temple. Her podcasts are amazing and I’ve only listened to 3!!!!!! It would be fascinating to see how his knowledge with apocryphal text and what she shares connects. Same with David. I wonder if he has heard of her podcasts.
14:12 the entire Day of Atonement? Yom Kippur IS celebrated. Would like to know what sources show that the "entire day" was removed - if it ever was, it has been celebrated since and is on the Hebrew calendar.
Mike Day! 24:56 you mention the sacred embrace between Mary and Christ, is that connected to the old 5 point embrace that's no longer practiced in our temples?
22:12 Cardons missing the whole point, its a symbol, it's not the actual ark. The Ark is where God sits, it's his chariot throne, within the holy of holies. It is interesting because there were also temple workers within the holy of holies that were referred too as angels.
I thought this was brilliant, as EVERYTHING in the temple and in scripture has symbolic meaning, and often layers upon layers of it. It was great, except for that moment when Dave Butler went on a paranoid rant about the current church attempting to keep us from finding this out through skipping us studying the book of Leviticus.
Keep in mind Joseph never felt like he was “done” with the KJV. I mean, compare the creation account given in Moses (basically the JST of Genesis, which was done before Joseph took any Hebrew lessons) to the one in Abraham. Key differences! (We see “times” rather than “day,” and where in Genesis and Moses “God” is singular, it is very clearly plural in Abraham). I also don’t know that he had been made aware of Heavenly Mother the first time he took a crack at the KJV. I don’t think he had in any clear way, yet. Anyway, things to keep in mind!
@@gingersnaps215 What about the translation of the Book of Mormon makes you think that he needed Hebrew lessons to get the JST right? He never sat down with books on Egyptian to translate the Book of Mormon. Likewise, he never sat down with books on Hebrew or even the Hebrew Bible to do the JST.
@@andrewbfrost7021 I’m saying his mind was expanded by the knowledge he gained from learning Hebrew. In the King Follett discourse (the version as recorded by Wilford Woodruff) he mentions how the German Bible translates the name of the son of Zebedee more accurately than the English (Jacob, rather than James -James is an anglicized version of the Greek version of the Hebrew Ya’akov). Was he inspired to change the name of James to Jacob in his first pass at the KJV? Nope. He also mentions how the word in Genesis translated as “created” is more accurately translated as “organized” (In the beginning God created the world, etc etc). Did he make that change in his first pass at the KJV? Nope. Did he finish (or even start..?) a second pass before he died? Nope. I’m not sure how tight or loose the translation process of the Book of Mormon was, but I know it required effort and thought on the part of the translator, or else Oliver would have been more easily able to do it. I don’t think it was just shown in written form the entire way through (with the exception of names spelled specifically, like Coriantumr; there’s apparently a crossed out misspelling of that name in the JSP manuscripts); it seems the translator had to study it out and select the best wording at the time. Maybe after Joseph had settled on language/a word, then it would appear in writing? Who knows! I have never “seen” like that, though I have had “here’s what to say” kind of inspirations (though it didn’t come out of my mouth exactly the same as it felt in my brain, if that makes sense). Here a little, and there a little, line upon line. That’s all I am saying.
@@gingersnaps215 I think understand what you are saying. Do you think that the Book of Mormon would be different if he had translated it again in the Nauvoo period and if he had taken some Egyptian? I’m not trying to be rude(it probably sounds like I am over text). I’m just trying to clarify the issue and my own thoughts. If not, why do you think the translation process was full and far more precise for the Book of Mormon, but quite spotty for the Bible, God knowing that Joseph would never live to go through it again? He certainly felt that it was an important mandate from the Lord to do.
@@andrewbfrost7021 Didn’t Brigham say if the Book of Mormon had been translated again it would most likely have different wording? I’m sure the “after all you can do” phrase would be more clear for 21st century minds, at least! (If you look at other 19th century writing, it seems that phrase was understood as “despite all”). I’m not saying I don’t think what we have, as we have it, neither was nor is important. But there have been minor revisions over the years (usually just grammar and word choices, nothing majorly huge). I wonder if the Divine Feminine might have been more apparent, beyond the little hint we get in Nephi’s vision that Mary is the mother of the Son of God *after the manner of the flesh* (Val Larsen seems to think that the Mother - and the Father and Son- is mentioned in the Book of Mormon in the epithet “Lord God Almighty” since in the Hebrew Bible that epithet is “Jehovah El Shaddai,” and we understand Jehovah to be Jesus, El to be the Father, and Shaddai *might* be the mother since “shaddai” in Hebrew is שדי and is *awfully close* to the word for “breasts” (shaddaim/שדיים) and conveniently close to the word meaning “to overpower” (shadad/שדד). I wonder about things like that.
Latter-Day Watch wants to do a collab with others on May 1st about Christ’s Grace. You guys have clout. Please pass it on to others. Correct the Evangelists misdirections about our beliefs. Thanks!
What are the specific misdirections? No archaeology from any reputable university to support BOM? Different gospel between Bible and DC? Joseph's shady history with treasure digging and seer stones? Church lying about Jospeh's polygamy but then admitting it? What exactly are you referring to?
@@CelestialComrades I always wonder about why DC132 is STILL in the official canon of the mormon church? Based on what is written in DC 132 verse 63, the three purposes for plural marriage are: 1) to multiply and replenish the earth 2) to fulfill a promise 3) for exaltation in the eternal worlds So it says explicitly in D&C 132:63 that plural marriage is a requirement for "exaltation in the eternal worlds". Why, then, doesn't the modern LDS church continue to teach this? Has the modern LDS church fell into apostasy? ALSO, Verse 54 says Emma will be 'destroyed' unless she participates in plural marriage. That's not very encouraging words for monogamous couples who want to be exalted.
@@kevinedward-jt2vs That part D&C 132 can't be interpreted as polygamy is required to enter exaltation because Adam had only one wife and he was exalted, the rest is still correct
It is my understanding, that there are two “Ark of the Covenants.” There are two thrones-the one on earth (in the Holy of Holies) which was constructed after the one which is in heaven. The golden box in the Old Testament was a replica of the heavenly Ark that God sits upon. Isaiah tells us that the throne in heaven is flanked by two living seraphim, who cry, “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.” Isaiah 6:1-4 1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. 2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. 3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. 4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
When the Stick of Joseph guys, the Ward Radio guys, and Dave Butler & Mike Day all get together is the best crossover since that time when the Power Rangers met the Ninja Turtles
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I know! So awesome!
The Sacrifice of the Two Goats:
The two goats were required to look exactly alike (just like they were twins). There is a type and shadow for this, with the twins Jacob and Esau-both nations were struggling in Rebecca’s womb about to be born. In the womb (in the pre-existence) they wrestled with each other over which one would be the firstborn and thus covenant son. Brothers-Jehovah and Lucifer in the pre-existence struggle to be the covenant son.
While Rebecca was in labor pains, a leg came out, and the midwife, wrapped a red thread around it, but then, it went back in, and the other child came out. When Jacob came out he had a hold of Esau’s heel. So which son would become the covenant son? The one with the red thread? It was Rebecca’s decision to decide. She acting as priestess.
Speaking of the two goats…
The high priest determined which goat was dedicated to the Lord (Yahweh who was without sin to make a covering) and which one would be labeled the scapegoat (for Azazel-Satan) all the sins of Israel would be placed on it’s head. The high priest would wrap a red thread around the scapegoat and sent it away free. Then the priest would tie another red thread on the door of the temple. The scapegoat would run into the mountains and eventually throw itself off the cliff to its death. The priest would sacrifice the covenant goat and wait for the thread on the temple door to turn from red to white. When it was white, he knew Israel’s sins were forgiven, and the scapegoat was dead.
This is the meaning of “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.” (Isaiah 1:18)
Isaiah 1:1820
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
Esau was the firstborn, however, he married out of the covenant and therefore disqualified himself from receiving the birthright. He also had no respect for the covenant and sold it to his brother on a whim. Rebecca decided that Jacob was to be the covenant son, even though Isaac wanted Esau to receive it. Isaac told Esau to go hunt and bring back meat and make him some stew and then he would give him the covenant blessing. Rebecca heard this and so she told Jacob to go out and get two goats….which she then killed. Rebecca told Jacob what to do and whatever sin would be placed upon her head. She made the stew for Isaac and then “made a covering” of skin (wool) to “cover over” Jacob’s arm (to make Isaac think it was hairy Esau). The Atonement of the Lamb of God “covers over” our sins. Jacob received the birthright. Esau came home ready to receive it, but Isaac, had rightfully already given it to Jacob.
Also, I've read the Old Testament cover to cover (including the Song of Solomon) two times in my life: in 1995-96 school year when we studied it in seminary that year, and again while serving my mission in 03-04 among many Evangelicals in the area around Chicago. Some YA women I was teaching had been given anti-Mormon literature about the temple ceremony and were asking questions about it. Since I had been studying the OT on my mission and highlighting verses or phrases that reminded me of the temple endowment, I took them to Leviticus 9 and had them read it and told them that most of what we did in the temple was similar to how Moses washed, anointed, and clothed Aaron and his sons minus the animal blood since Christ had already fulfilled that aspect of our worship with his sacrifice. But yes, not enough members read the Bible and I had never made the connection that the Book of Mormon was the Urim & Thummim to the Bible, but it absolutely is!
Wish Sunday School was this deep and challenging!! Ya’ll have me hungry for more, please.🙏
First RUclips comment ever... Nearly every time I leave church on Sunday my wife asks, how was class? And I say, it was good but I'm frustrated because I feel like everyone missed what the scripture was teaching. This episode and many of your other material, challenges me in the way I thirst.
Sunday Gospel Doctrine is supposed to be simple enough for even the weakest members, the newest members, and any visitors to feel the spirit and understand. The meat is for us to learn on our own, as we do when we read, study, pray, and watch these amazing videos. Teaching Gospel truths has to be kept simple. This does make it hard to find fellow deep seekers who are all on the same page. Having said this, I believe we are all eventually going to get there in time. We have to have great sound understanding when Christ returns. We really need to know the doctrine so much better than on that simple level. Time is running out, for sure, not only for repentance, but to learn all we can and act on what we have learned. It must increase our devotion, our dedication, our temple attendance, our repentance, faith, etc. With great knowledge comes great power if it is applied properly and allows us to become more like The Savior.
What if you spoke up? Those with an ear to hear will hear. others not so much. How many others go home feeling the same, with all of you being silent.
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I have read Leviticus many many times, and all I can say is that my mind was blown my understanding has exploded, and I can see the representation in the tomb as being the ark of the covenant I can see Jesus as the sacrificial lamb, and I can see Barabbas as the one that was allowed to go free. The symbolism is right on and absolutely amazing.. I want more❤❤❤
Give us more!!
The Dueteronomists don't mention the urim and thummin because they found a dark stone in the bottom of a well and decided to use it instead for convenience.😅
And the name Barabbas means "son of the father"
Cardon's skepticism about the ark of the covenant parallel is answered with one principle. Things and places become holy when they come into contact with the Holy One and His ordinances. The ordinances are where the power of God is made manifest. (D&C 84:20-21)
I thought this very thing, but you said it perfectly.
I was just thinking that the stone being rolled away is like the veil being parted, so people can see into the Holy of Holies! Then you see inside the ark as it is with two angels as the cherubim.
🤯 Woah! That is so true! Thanks for this.
I like what you say about the Book of Mormon. When you know that the Book of Mormon is true, you have to reinterpret and relativize your understanding of the Bible to what the Book of Mormon says.
The same thing happened with Paul. When he came to a testimony of Jesus, he had to go back and re read the scriptures with the lens of his testimony of Jesus Christ and reinterpret a lot of what he understood before.
Yahweh created Satan. Ezekiel 28.
Yahweh in a flesh tabernacle has a name and that is Jesus.
Jesus is eternal and everything was created by him, through him and for him.
Jesus is God.
Satan , as a rebellious created created spirit; an Angel (numbers 22, Matthew 4, Luke 22, Job 1) destroys of his own free will, which he chose but is obedient to the word of Yahweh.
I love this series. Dave Butler blows my mind all of the time. One comment, as a Sunday School teacher I have taught out of Leviticus. In 2022 Come Follow Me, three chapters of Leviticus are in the curriculum--1, 16, and 19. But the same lesson also has chapters from Exodus.
Granted that isn't much. It has always been on us to read and study and learn on our own. It is a mistake to assume that it is on the Church to teach us things beyond how to live right, recognize the Spirit, and understand covenants.
To a point but it is also up to the church to help navigate into more restoration....so when do they step in and give the more and when is it incumbent on us to understand what we have until they provide the more. There is a responsibility on both sides ....which is why prophets like mosiah have given their sermons and teachings to ensure that their garments are spotless having given their all to teach all that they can. So much more is coming up in archaeology....it seems that more is imminent...but we will have to wait for their direction on what and when
@@davidmickelle7326President Nelson has definitely told us that it is our responsibility to learn and read and pray and listen. If the Spirit is telling me to read specific scripture, I need to read and pray for understanding.
@@Famr4evr not saying he didn't and that we shouldn't...but when it comes to doctrinal restoration that is not an individual's role to define...we can receive and need to receive all kinds of insights and revelations however their relevance is our lives only and when and what we share over the pulpit and in Sunday school is not necessarily all that we have been shown...that is until the prophets also declare it over the pulpit. So there are limitations to what we can share based on what has been restored through Prophetic Revelation and not just our own personal prophetic revelation.
@davidmickelle7326 Agree! I have been learning a lot about hesed/חסד and its relationship to covenants and such for the past like six months through books, lectures, and essays about how it might possibly be the word behind “covenant” in the Book of Mormon, and was itching to share with people, but hesitant to make any grand conclusions about anything (I had started wondering if, because it’s a covenant term, it is also related to sealings), and then I was listening to the Josh Sears episodes of Follow Him and HE brought up hesed, and then he mentioned that President Nelson had taught in 2022 that hesed is the new and everlasting covenant and then I was like YES!! Share away with confidence!!
And then I was assigned the topic of the third article of faith for sacrament meeting a couple weeks later and was like, “ugh, obedience…. Wait! Hesed has to do with our oridinances!!!” It was all very serendipitous! God is great like that 😊
For something like, this, though (basically flipping the OT on its head…) I feel we will be waiting a while before (if..) any official affirmations come out. But no harm in exploring theology as long as we keep in mind theology is NOT the same as doctrine!
I love the symbolism of the angels in the tomb 💕💕💕👍👍👍
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I do remember that the reforms of King Joshiah lead the campaign of removing messianic references of Christ from the OT texts. These weren't small things removed from the OT, these were Plain and Precious Truths.
This group should do a come follow me channel together, take us through the entire 4 standard works, pulling in all your knowledge of various languages, translations, apocraphal correlations, etc. Etc. I want to hear it ALL... such good stuff!!!!
I would definitely pay for that too!!!
Mike Day is awesome and no way is Dave Butler off his rocker. Both have opened my eyes to look and read and understand the scriptures so much better.
Sunday Feelings Barn
Margaret Barker spoke of the Deuteronomists in the same terms in a speech at The Library of Congress as contained in the book, The Worlds of Joseph Smith. She even specifically mentioned this may be at least part of the, "plain and precious things" taken out of the scriptures that The Book of Mormon tells us.
Yeah. It’s pretty clear these gents are relying a lot on Margaret Barker.
My two bits on the Sunday School rant. I've been in Come Follow Me groups with new converts, people with simple cognitive functions, or adults still learning how to read. They're on a milk diet, and shouldn't be left behind because someone demands meat. If someone wants to learn beyond the Sunday school lesson, it's their own responsibility, not the church's.
It's videos like this that i wish i could hit the thumbs up more than once. Keep 'em coming!! Love this collab.
Jesus is the GOAT
So I listened to podcasts in October and then this one came up . Like it followed exactly the next thought . 6 months apart . Sooo interesting how it completará the next thought . Going backwards proves the present . Crazyyyy!
2:42 this is also one of the points of putting MSS (Moses “Drawn out”) against RMSS (Ramses “Drawn out of Ra”) as brothers in the Exodus story
13:56 elder holland references Barrabas name son of the father and picking one of the two to release by Pilate. Very neat. One of my favorite talks by Elder Holland.
Elder Holland is THE GOAT!
I just love hearing all these wonderful insights from these amazing men! Keep up the great work!
I just love that this channel was made. Nothing better than profound gospel discussions.
You guys have been putting out some absolute bangers lately !! 💯💯💯
High Priest lesson manual written by Hugh Nibley....
Love your videos with all of these knowledgeable guests!
The Church’s responsibility is to SUPPORT us in our gospel study and be a RESOURCE in teaching our family. This is why we have been given Come Follow Me to teach in our family. Ultimately our personal study to attain knowledge cannot be replaced by being hand-fed in Sunday School. The members of the class show how much personal study they do by the comments they make in class-no matter if they are seasoned members or new converts.
Another great video. I love seeing these men of faith together. Looking forward to more of this, but also want to see some more Jacob Hansen and Luke Hansen and Jonah Barnes videos.
Mike Day, David Butler, Jackson Paul… this stuff is awesome!
I wonder if we could be like the Deuteronomist, we want to change the doctrine to fit our feelings and thoughts.
Seems like some scholars are pointed in that direction.
It seems like it all the reforms were more to centralize power and authority. ‘Forget all those times Jacob and Moses spoke with God face to face (or touched him! God doesn’t have a body, Jacob didn’t actually wrestle God). No one can talk to God except the authorized priests, in the only official temple, in Jerusalem. No one can see God. God has no body. God has no children. Forget what it says in Psalms 86 about a council of gods and “ye are gods.” Only the priests have the ability to commune with God. God will never have a body. Forget all that stuff in Genesis about being made in His image. Heck, forget that “Elohim” is plural!
And forget that “Shaddai” is related to “breasts/שדיים/shaddaim” (as “El Shaddai/אל שדי” translates as God of the Mountains (mountains=הרים) but is most often translated as “God Almighty” in the Bible because the word meaning “to overpower/שדד/shadad” is, fortunately for the scribes, close enough to the word for “breasts/shadaim/שדיים).
And all sacrifices are TO God, to appease Him because we sin, not to remind us that we know the Son will come down to save us from sin. The sacrifices are not AS God, only TO God.
Forget all that, there’s only one God, and He has neither gender nor body nor children, and humans are but mere creatures and not children. And only the priests are allowed to have anything to do with God.’
Not unlike the councils to formalize doctrine to cease infighting (and therefore more easily control the populace), the death of the belief in premortality (6th century under emperor Julian..?), along with a loss of the belief (in the West, anyway) in theosis/divinization/exaltation (the Eastern Orthodox branches never forgot that bit of doctrine, or that marriage is eternal). History repeats!
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Psalms 82, not 86. I always mix that up 😆
I’m so grateful for the Restoration of Christ’s church. For the restoration of the priesthood keys, and that we have temple so we can make covenants and do the work for our ancestors.
What a blessing from our Father in Heaven.
Cardon, John 18:3 tells you why they fell down: ..."a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharacees..." These were devout Temple Guards and officers.They would have been as devout as can be. Their falling would have been almost reflexive to hearing "The Name" in this highly charged atmosphere.
Truth and light!
Love these deep dive segments!❤ More please!
Thank you for opening my eyes to better understand these verses.
John seems to have been saying everything possible to bear witness that Jesus is the Christ, the Holy Son of God. Therefore, these claims do not seem implausible in the least. Thanks to these good brothers for sharing their insights.
This actually makes the first chapter of John even more meaningful. In John 1 he testifies that the Word was with God, that he is God. The “Word” or “word of the Lord” in the O.T. Is a reference to Christ in many cases. Then at the end of the Gospel of John you see repetition of the sacred name followed by two angels signifying the presence of a mercy seat that is newly occupied. John has given anyone of Jewish upbringing a POWERFUL witness that Jesus was indeed the Great I AM, the lamb, the sacrificial goat.
Those guys were just wrong when they said we didn’t learn about Leviticus and the feast of the Atonement in Sunday School. I remember teaching it. It was the May 2-8 lesson. We may not have taught his theory about the connection with the Gospel of John. But I think there’s a good reason not to teach academic theories as fact. They’re interesting and fun to listen to in settings like Ward Radio. But academic theories - and even academic consensus - can and do change.
We used to have meetings like this. It was called High Priest Group.
Both goats represent different aspects of Yeshua and what He did for us.
I would love to hear why the church takes the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist to be a symbol when Jesus says “This Is my body.” 🤷🏼♀️
The great thing about symbols (such as comparing the Ark of the Covenant to the Tomb of Joseph of Arimathea) is that there are two major types, just as there are two ways of delivering truth in general: explicitly and implicitly.
The Lord commanded the children of Israel to create the Ark of the Covenant to house the Ten Commandments, and instituted in pureness all of the ordinances related to it for the purpose of teaching future generations of the covenant the meaning of the Atonement. After Christ was crucified, his body was placed inside a tomb that was meant to house another (isn't it interesting that "The Son of Man has no place to lay his head" in death, even when the temple of God was standing right there in Jerusalem; but I digress). Whether historically accurate or not, an apostle of the Lord gave witness to the presence of two angels, taking their places at the foot and head of the (foundation) stone upon which the body of Christ no longer lay. In other words, in this case, the same God who instituted the explicit symbols also authorized the witness of the implicit ones. This should bring comfort to anyone worried about the authority of this particular connection: no "imagination" is required, nor any "stretch" in the truth to establish meaning for both the explicit and implicit symbols as they echo.
That may not be "enough," I know. Especially to those for whom a true and factual 100%-verifiable historical retelling of what actually happened is an absolute necessity. But that's the thing about symbols, both explicit and implicit: they contain power and truth without regard (or perhaps, thank the Lord, in spite of) man's ever-imperfect recollection of the past. In fact, you'll sometimes find that symbols tell the real story, and that it takes time for the historical facts of the matter to catch up to them.
In my opinion, the Lord commands the creation of explicit symbols to explain, justify, beautify, and exemplify the reality of the implicit symbolic events that occur in our very broken world. And I would argue this point: just as "in the ordinances [of the Priesthood], the power of godliness is manifest," so perform the function of explicit symbols as we teach and remember and even practice them. But does this make the explicit symbols more "real" than the implicit ones, more authoritative, more meaningful, or more powerful?
I think the more pertinent set of questions would be: "For those that have eyes to see and ears to hear... what do they see? And what do they hear? What art Thou, O Lord, to them that find?"
15:30 in my head cannon and if i was a clever screenwriter for a show like The Chosen I would do a movie about Jesus Barabus but that is the big reveal at the end of the movie...
The movie would have the Prisoner Barabus thrown in a cell recounting to his cellmate what brought him to this point of his life and the movie would have flashbacks to the decision points of his life that brought him here sharing his life with his cellmate. Throught the Course of his telling he comes to grip with his fate and expresses a deep desire for a 2nd chance at life... We realize that he is is sharing a cell with Jesus Christ Barabus a condemned killer is ultimately given an opportunity akin to Sauls an opportunity to go forth and sin no more
When the crowd thinks they are cheering for the release of a murderer what they ultimately are doing is cheering for the release of a redeemed man unknowingly who goes forth as one of the many un named disciples that spread the good news.. anyway i think it could make for a good short video that would help us to see the truth that we are to see ourselves as barabus in that situation by our actions we ought to be condemned but for the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ we are given an opportunity at a new life.
I love this mind movie!
Just saw Brad in one of the Book of Mormon videos playing the role of King Mosiah and I about fell out of my seat. Haha
Oh, there are new videos??
now i love to hear again , these guys are worth ones time
My sister in law (a Catholic ( had a fit when I told her that Lucifer is Christ's sibling. So I asked my neighbor who is Catholic, who teaches Catechism and she told me that the Catholic Church has always taught that. She said the scriptures testifies of that fact.
So I concluded that many people do not remember or was not taught or they were not listening to the teachings of their Church. So sometimes this is a factor to consider in evaluating the doctrines of various religions in the world.
Personally, for me, I love to know of the layering and symbolism that I did not know of and did not recognize the symbolism. Honestly, so much of this brings light bulb moments for me. I love getting all this on Ward Radio and the Stick of Joseph. I wholeheartedly agree that Sunday school should be just that. School. We miss so much meatiness that we yearn for and are not given.
This has been an eye opening episode
17:22 - The G.O.A.T. = Greatest Of All Time
Lucifer: "I am the greatest!"
Jehovah: "I AM."
I think David has presented an incredible image and symbolic vision of the "Tomb" and the "Arch" of the Covenant.
Dave Butler and Mike Day have it going on. The whole ark thing and the tomb was very very cool. I don't think it was a stretch to say John was making a connection to the ark for those that have ears to hear.
GOD Created All
Third time through episode. So awesome. Love it. Thank you
Loved this-
You are always blowing my mind! I need more definitions for the Sermon on the Mount. As far as the Temple goes. Link that show or teach me again. Thanks!
Very cool! Keeps me motivated to learn more
Love your channel so much. 💖
I Love Ur books bro Butler! Jesus Great love from the beginning is finally explained as my heart knew but you phrased❤
This topic is relevant at this time. Going to have to watch it again so I can digest all the information presented, but can’t wait for episode 3, and 4 and 5 and 6. Awesome guys.
should we just call the correlation committee the Deuteronomist committee
The Deuteronomist movement gives a lot of context to the various trials prophets are put through. Abinadi, Alma and Amulek, they all question around this idea of a humble self sacrificing Messiah utilizing their questioning to trap and ensnare so they can kill due to blasphemy. If it weren't for the Deuteronomist themes...these entrapments just seem like they're ignorant lumpkins not having any real sophistication just people too foolish to understand the gospel. But if it's looked at from a Deuteronomist/Josiah kill all visionaries entrapment scenario it takes on a different hue.
The idea about people falling when Jesus’ name was said:
The laws of nature causes “Every knee to bend and every tongue to confess that Jesus is the Christ.” (Philippians 2:19-11; Romans 14:11)
A person’s mind may not accept or know that Jesus is the Christ-in order for them to choose to fall down and confess. But that person’s physical body…..knows who the Creator is. Our body is organized from earthly element and that element immediately knows and obeys the Creator. The fact that these people fell when Jesus’ name was said….shows that their bodies were witnessing that He was in fact the Great I am.
Romans 14:11-12
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Philippians 2:10-11
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
I love this new theme song!!!!
Exodus 25:18-20. The angels surrounding the mercy seat where (Leviticus 16) the blood of the bullock and the goat was sprinkled. John 20:12. Types and shadows...
This is so cool!
The cherubim on the ark could represent The two cherubim guarding the tree of life. The 2 angels in the tomb Signify to me That because of the blood there, Now we CAN partake of the tree of life And NOT ive forever in our sins. It gave us a way to get past the cherubim. It is the mercy seat.❤
Ahhhh..... so this is how every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ when He comes again - even those who previously were not believers. The actual name of Yaweh being spoken has this resonance to bring those who hear it to their knees.
Fascinating. No David Butler is not off his rocker. The imagery of the completion of the Day of Atonement in the garden tomb is really striking. Based on how much symbolism is in the temple it makes sense to me that this was an intentional closing image to reflect that the atonement had been completed.
Elder Holland talked about the 2 sons of the fathers in conference a few years ago.
If you are learning deeper things, SHARE what you can during lessons at church.
And please don't start a comment with "I know better" etc. Paul had to write letters in his time correcting the more learned/long-time members for causing the newer members to stumble.
We are to look on others with compassion and seek to lift them up ❤ and contributing to Sunday school with comments is a great way to help others realize that there's MORE - a whole *feast.*
is there two cherubim's on ark of the covenant because there were two angels standing by the garden tomb?
Sunday feelings barn!!!! 😆
Idk that yall even read these comments, but on this very topic of the brass plates being different. Nephi, jacob, enos, all obtained the plates. They also had to learn "the language of our fathers".
The first mention of language was from the tower of babel. Same tower that the jaredites came from.
I believe that the brass plates contained writings from the original language.
Also note that lehi didnt gift the plates to his firstborn. Nephi didnt even give them to any of his kids. Typically, old jews would gift such a thing as a birthright to their oldest son. It seems to me that nephi didnt have any kids worthy enough to pass the plates to so he gave them to his brother Jacob.
We read them. ;)
22:40 Joseph of Arimathea must have known that this tomb would only temporarily house the body of Jesus.
I understand why Sunday School needs to keep things basic. What they should do is bring back School of the Prophets in each Stake, or make it part of the CES but available in each Stake, where those who want a deeper dive can go.
I just saw Escape from Germany! So funny to see Brad as one of the elders. Of course he's the one filming and risking their safety! haha Great film!
GOAT = Greatest Of All Time
Could the stone being rolled away be symbolic of the waters gushing forth from the Well of Souls, flowing like unto a river which is representative of the love of God as Nephi and Lehi saw?
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Lena Einhorn wrote a book titled A Shift in Time where she describes Yeshua Barabbas and Yeshua of Nazareth as possibly one and the same. Yeshua of Nazareth could very well have been considered a robber in his day. He was certainly politically active and a thorn to both the Roman and the Jewish elite. Jesus of Nazareth led a group of very influential men (apostles), including a Simon the Zealot, and a Judas the Iscariot (or Judas the Sicarii), and Flavius Josephus even writes that Judas the Galilean was a Sicarius. Yeshua of Nazareth even refers to his Father as "Abba" which was a very familiar way of call one's father, 'daddy'. Wouldn't this have made him Yeshua Barabbas? Very interesting book.
this is all fascinating. I have questions, Mike mentioned a sacred embrace between mary and christ, I see nothing to indicate that in John, infact He says" touch me not" Jn 20:17 Also I believe david metioned that in the tomb, where Christ laid represented the Ark of the Covenant. and said that christ had ascended and sat on the throne of God. Yet in John 20:17 he tells Mary he had not as yet. Explain
AT 2:50 - Re: Mormons believe Christ is the brother of Satan. - You have to remember that Christians who believe in the Trinity see Christ as another aspect/face of God, not a separate entity who has goals and aspirations and levels of love for us equal to those of Heavenly Father. Again, it all goes back to needing to know the nature of God. BTW, King Josiah "discovering" a new scroll in the temple (early version of Deuteronomy) telling the people that they needed to consolidate all worship into activities at the Jerusalem Temple is very convenient for the Saducees, who controlled the Temple and all of the offerings made there. It makes a person wonder if Josiah's (640BCE - 609BCE) actions weren't the final straw that brought about the Babylonian invasion. Just thinking.
The Holy Trinity is 3 Persons of one Godly Essence. Each Person is fully the one God, but not the other Person. Christ Himself is fully man and fully God, two natures unmingled and inseparable.
To say that He is an aspect/face of God would be to say God changes modes, which is Modalism, not Trinitarian.
The old temple scroll was found after all the scriptures had been burned for some time. King Josiah’s grandfather, King Manasseh, ordered all the scriptures to be brought forth to be burned. Manasseh put idols in the temple and the high places and forced the people to bow down to them. King Josiah was attempting to salvage the evil that his grandfather and father did. However, the judgements had already been cast, and Josiah’s attempt only gave Israel a little more time, but then after Josiah, it all went down hill again.
Josiah seemed to take after his great grandfather, King Hezekiah. Both were considered “good kings” (compared to the wicked kings). But they also made mistakes by attempting to “right the ship” so to speak. Kings are not prophets and they overstepped their authority. During Heziekiah’s day, Isaiah was the prophet and he didn’t always agree with the king’s tactics.
Many creation stories from across differing cultures have two competing brothers. The the Mayans to the Romans, there were two brothers.
11:05 every knee shall bow
Josephus also says that Barabbas name was also Jesus.
So when Pilate says whom shall I release, Jesus the son of the FATHER, the Messiah, or Jesus the son of the father.
Also, have you guys ever heard Ron Wyatt's stuff regarding the ark of the covenant being hidden beneath golgotha, and when Christ died the earth was rent, a crack in the rocky hill split down from the base of the cross allowing a trickle of blood from Christ on the cross to drip onto the ark of the covenant, aka mercy seat. Interesting stuff
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So I think Jonah needs to listen to Jack Logan Ancient Traditions. She has only 4 on RUclips so most of her podcasts are on her website. She studies all the ancient religions and points that all ancient religions come from one central religion which consisted of Temple rights. Everything she talks about connects to all we believe about the Temple. Her podcasts are amazing and I’ve only listened to 3!!!!!! It would be fascinating to see how his knowledge with apocryphal text and what she shares connects. Same with David. I wonder if he has heard of her podcasts.
Does anyone know the name of the glory intro song? 😫 I'm trying my best to find it, but so far I'm unsuccessful.
The azazell goat was thrown off a cliff. Similar ending for Judas Iscariot in one account
14:12 the entire Day of Atonement? Yom Kippur IS celebrated. Would like to know what sources show that the "entire day" was removed - if it ever was, it has been celebrated since and is on the Hebrew calendar.
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Mike Day! 24:56 you mention the sacred embrace between Mary and Christ, is that connected to the old 5 point embrace that's no longer practiced in our temples?
22:12 Cardons missing the whole point, its a symbol, it's not the actual ark. The Ark is where God sits, it's his chariot throne, within the holy of holies. It is interesting because there were also temple workers within the holy of holies that were referred too as angels.
Agreed. And the symbol isn't & cannot be greater than the fulfillment
I thought this was brilliant, as EVERYTHING in the temple and in scripture has symbolic meaning, and often layers upon layers of it. It was great, except for that moment when Dave Butler went on a paranoid rant about the current church attempting to keep us from finding this out through skipping us studying the book of Leviticus.
I wish there would be some discussion about the JST of these passages.
Keep in mind Joseph never felt like he was “done” with the KJV. I mean, compare the creation account given in Moses (basically the JST of Genesis, which was done before Joseph took any Hebrew lessons) to the one in Abraham. Key differences! (We see “times” rather than “day,” and where in Genesis and Moses “God” is singular, it is very clearly plural in Abraham). I also don’t know that he had been made aware of Heavenly Mother the first time he took a crack at the KJV. I don’t think he had in any clear way, yet.
Anyway, things to keep in mind!
@@gingersnaps215 What about the translation of the Book of Mormon makes you think that he needed Hebrew lessons to get the JST right? He never sat down with books on Egyptian to translate the Book of Mormon. Likewise, he never sat down with books on Hebrew or even the Hebrew Bible to do the JST.
@@andrewbfrost7021 I’m saying his mind was expanded by the knowledge he gained from learning Hebrew. In the King Follett discourse (the version as recorded by Wilford Woodruff) he mentions how the German Bible translates the name of the son of Zebedee more accurately than the English (Jacob, rather than James -James is an anglicized version of the Greek version of the Hebrew Ya’akov). Was he inspired to change the name of James to Jacob in his first pass at the KJV? Nope. He also mentions how the word in Genesis translated as “created” is more accurately translated as “organized” (In the beginning God created the world, etc etc). Did he make that change in his first pass at the KJV? Nope. Did he finish (or even start..?) a second pass before he died? Nope.
I’m not sure how tight or loose the translation process of the Book of Mormon was, but I know it required effort and thought on the part of the translator, or else Oliver would have been more easily able to do it.
I don’t think it was just shown in written form the entire way through (with the exception of names spelled specifically, like Coriantumr; there’s apparently a crossed out misspelling of that name in the JSP manuscripts); it seems the translator had to study it out and select the best wording at the time. Maybe after Joseph had settled on language/a word, then it would appear in writing? Who knows! I have never “seen” like that, though I have had “here’s what to say” kind of inspirations (though it didn’t come out of my mouth exactly the same as it felt in my brain, if that makes sense).
Here a little, and there a little, line upon line. That’s all I am saying.
@@gingersnaps215 I think understand what you are saying. Do you think that the Book of Mormon would be different if he had translated it again in the Nauvoo period and if he had taken some Egyptian? I’m not trying to be rude(it probably sounds like I am over text). I’m just trying to clarify the issue and my own thoughts. If not, why do you think the translation process was full and far more precise for the Book of Mormon, but quite spotty for the Bible, God knowing that Joseph would never live to go through it again? He certainly felt that it was an important mandate from the Lord to do.
@@andrewbfrost7021 Didn’t Brigham say if the Book of Mormon had been translated again it would most likely have different wording? I’m sure the “after all you can do” phrase would be more clear for 21st century minds, at least! (If you look at other 19th century writing, it seems that phrase was understood as “despite all”).
I’m not saying I don’t think what we have, as we have it, neither was nor is important. But there have been minor revisions over the years (usually just grammar and word choices, nothing majorly huge). I wonder if the Divine Feminine might have been more apparent, beyond the little hint we get in Nephi’s vision that Mary is the mother of the Son of God *after the manner of the flesh* (Val Larsen seems to think that the Mother - and the Father and Son- is mentioned in the Book of Mormon in the epithet “Lord God Almighty” since in the Hebrew Bible that epithet is “Jehovah El Shaddai,” and we understand Jehovah to be Jesus, El to be the Father, and Shaddai *might* be the mother since “shaddai” in Hebrew is שדי and is *awfully close* to the word for “breasts” (shaddaim/שדיים) and conveniently close to the word meaning “to overpower” (shadad/שדד).
I wonder about things like that.
Yeah - according to the Bible Satan and Jesus
Are brothers - Satan is the jealous little brother
I miss the old theme song 🙏
Do you know how to find it? I cant find it!
Latter-Day Watch wants to do a collab with others on May 1st about Christ’s Grace. You guys have clout. Please pass it on to others. Correct the Evangelists misdirections about our beliefs. Thanks!
We need to make May 1st 2024 a day of learning!
What are the specific misdirections? No archaeology from any reputable university to support BOM? Different gospel between Bible and DC? Joseph's shady history with treasure digging and seer stones? Church lying about Jospeh's polygamy but then admitting it? What exactly are you referring to?
We are talking specifically about works vs grace and how we are saved in our theology, and how a lot of people misunderstand it
@@CelestialComrades I always wonder about why DC132 is STILL in the official canon of the mormon church? Based on what is written in DC 132 verse 63, the three purposes for plural marriage are:
1) to multiply and replenish the earth
2) to fulfill a promise
3) for exaltation in the eternal worlds
So it says explicitly in D&C 132:63 that plural marriage is a requirement for "exaltation in the eternal worlds". Why, then, doesn't the modern LDS church continue to teach this? Has the modern LDS church fell into apostasy?
ALSO, Verse 54 says Emma will be 'destroyed' unless she participates in plural marriage. That's not very encouraging words for monogamous couples who want to be exalted.
@@kevinedward-jt2vs That part D&C 132 can't be interpreted as polygamy is required to enter exaltation because Adam had only one wife and he was exalted,
the rest is still correct
It is my understanding, that there are two “Ark of the Covenants.” There are two thrones-the one on earth (in the Holy of Holies) which was constructed after the one which is in heaven. The golden box in the Old Testament was a replica of the heavenly Ark that God sits upon. Isaiah tells us that the throne in heaven is flanked by two living seraphim, who cry, “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.”
Isaiah 6:1-4
1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
There is a third ark.
Had Christ ascended at this point?
I don't think they adjusted the story to fit traditional ceremony. I tend to think the ceremonies were prophetic and foresaw the actual future events.