+1 4k should be included for those people trying to shop for a 4k 120hz rig it's hard to know if you are overspending on a CPU without valuable data like this.
Exactamundo. Heck during the last gpu shortage instead of overspending on a gpu I just got a nice gaming laptop and now I spend more time at my friends houses and don't feel tied to the old ball and chain desktop at home... :p
@gazza from what I’ve seen in reviews the temps of 13600K aren’t bad at all and comparable to AMD Zen 4. Specially in gaming you shouldn’t have any power/temperature issues at all. It’s he 13900K that gets hot and draws lots of power. I’ve just ordered a 13600K for my new build myself.
Appreciate all the hard work on the channel my dude. I always look forward to tech content like this when new cpus/graphics cards launch. Keep up the amazing content :)
Excellent comparison mate. Holy shit, that p/e-core config from Intel is showing it's worth. If we can limit a 4090 in 4k on a 'value' cpu then life is looking pretty good. Basically us 1080/1440 gamers can get pretty amazing performance on 10th gen and anything rtx onwards. I really really want one now but having a 10th gen already I'll wait till I really need it mainly because of the lga1700 prices here in NZ and the frames/editing performance i'm getting now has been such a jump from the old 4790k and 6700 I moved from earlier this year.
i just got 13600kf for myself, motherboard still on the way. although im going with ddr4 for budget reasons, i still believe that this is a huge upgrade to my 6700k
Hell of an upgrade bro! It's going to be night and day ! I'm currently on an i7-9700 (non-K) Thinking of upgrading either to an i7-12700K or an i5-13600K in blackfriday and I know it's going to be amazing for gaming+streaming.
Great, not enough undervolting discussion with this 13th gen. The results you got seem already good, I'd be very curious about CB23 results with a bit more undervolt tinkering. Same for 13700K, these 2 are the ones that have refrained me from going AMD this round.
I suspect this is where we will really see the 13600k start to pull away from the 5800X3D/7600X. I think they have a bit more headroom for tweaking, definitely more headroom then the 5800X3D. The X3D is still a no brainer for current AM4 owners. If I where building new, today, and did not care about AM5 forward compatibility, i'd certainly consider then 13600k. And if there is any need for productivity it's a clean win. For me, my only workload is gaming. The sample size of games tested in this review was a little weak, Hardware unboxed shows the 5800X3D vs 13600k in a different light, they are pretty much equal (margin of error close) for average performance, for games. You can't show games where the X3D is known to be weak, like CyberPunk, and also not show games where it's known to be strong, in the same comparison.. like ACC or Factorio, those are outliers, the X3D even crushes the 13900k in those games.
I have 13600. Lock p cores 5.1 e cores 3.9 and fixed vcore to 1.18. Game temps 50-58 degrees. I haven't seen more than 60 yet. Consumption on average 80-100W. At full load in cinebench r23 after an hour of testing max 165w.
5800x3d is good if you don’t want to upgrade. But going 7700x now with lower DDR5 with the intension of getting 7800x3d/8800x3d down the line that is a much better investment. What is the difference in price going dead platform to longevity platform, 10-20%? Seems like a no-brainer.
Already having everything but a chip the x3d is by far the best move for ~$350 new. It’s that simple. I did it. And I’ll wait for 4k 240hz oled and cards powerful enough to run most games this fast and I’ll make the big upgrade. Prob 5 years out
I'm saying it's the best all-rounder of this generation. It does absolutely everything with aplomb and is really quite reasonably priced, it's also cheaper and performs better than the 12th gen i7. The 5800X3D is only good for gaming under certain circumstances, the new i7 and i9 are overkill, the new AMDs are just meh as well as being hugely expensive and there are X3D models along shortly anyway.
I'm still waiting to see how the 13700 is going to be like, but the idea of doing some undervolting on the 13600 is appealing. Reasoning is its not so much the wattage usage, I mean it is and it isn't. But its also the thermals. More heat, means your cooling will have to work harder, which means a lot more noise. Fans spinning at 90% isn't appealing when my computer is only a few feet away from me. Every cooling solution has a sweet spot where once it crosses it, noise because an issue. But if I can undervolt it a little bit, and the difference is so small that I dont even notice the difference, then I'd do that. Basically what I do with my 3080. I undervolt it to around 850mah-900mah. Instead of its 300-350 watts, running at 80% fans, its consuming 200watts and I can't even tell if the fans are even moving and its basically making no noise. I find 65% fans on my 3080 I can't even hear. Depending on what % my cooling solution would be I would aim for something like that. But hey for those who crave every frame that they can't even see, every wattage they don't pay for, do whatever you want.
I thought about undervolting but it's not guaranteed so I decided to get the 5800X3D today. I don't like AMD 7000 or intel 13, the power draw is just too high.
Running the 13600k on an Alpenfohn dolimited single fan air-cooled and have it under 700rpm it's virtually silent and my misses runs a liquid cooler and it's just as quit as hers temps barely even in the 50,s
@@tilapiadave3234 Yeah I think the price went back up on the 5800X3D again, cheaper and better 7000 series CPUs are out, and DDR5 prices have dropped more. I think cheaper motherboards are available now too. When I made my system three months ago the 5800X3D was easily the best choice for price/performance, but that's no longer the case(mostly). If I made my system today I would either get a 7700 or a 13600, depending on which is better priced. That's kinda how it goes though, in a month both of those CPUs might be crap compared to the 3D cache 7000 series. The CPU space is certainly interesting these days. As to overhyped though I don't think so, at least not for me. The 5800X3D is still by far the fastest gaming CPU for certain titles like stellaris and factorio. I've never seen benchmarks but I imagine other games like Space Engineers it's the best too. Anything with many moving parts seems to benefit massively from the 3D cache.
@@tilapiadave3234 too bad i can't slot the intel chip in my existing am4. just sayin, it's not overhyped when considered as an upgrade and not a new build...
@@googIesux LAUGHING ,, wow DESPERATELY need to keep mobo? Why ,, don't you like newer upgraded products. Don't fall for the shill lies ,, it is actually easier to sell off your cpu when it is on a mobo
@@raynathanielcaparas8064 Nope , talking todays prices ,, still WAY overpriced for what it is. R5 5600 (No x) is way less than half the cost and provides 85% of the performance
@@AndrewTSq Sure but with the X3D you can get full gaming performance with a cheap DDR4 kit while you'll need a decent DDR5 kit to get the full benchmark numbers out of the i5
I gave the AMD launch a complete pass especially because of this, no budget motherboards for a new socket is just baffling. X3D is the real AMD launch. Coming back for those sweet 0.1% and watt benchmarks then :P
This man is at the point in his life where there is not enough time in one day. He has got to be doing 28 hrs a day 9 days a week, hahaha. Thanks for all this content
Its all these new releases, its like they all want to hit the panic release before christmas button, never seen this many launches in the same time frame... ever.
@@tilapiadave3234 and you have to shorten youtube link or the cmt will not appear in the cmt section. Anyway 5800x3d max load 110W but 13600k max load is 170W and it literally trade blow with 13600k in gaming when you reviewed more game.
I really do like the look of the i5-13600k and want to build a new rig around it. However, in the UK they're wanting over £220 for Z690 motherboards and even a used 6700XT is over £400. PCPartPicker is trying to make me import from NewEgg in the US. There is a breathtaking difference in the base price of _some_ of the parts, but importing means £90 shipping charges and then UK import taxes. Screw it. Having a PC has become ridiculous and unsustainable. I'm probably now just going to buy a decent laptop for productivity work and invest the remaining money in something more worthwhile.
Something is off about the Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmarks. I just ran my 4090 + 5800x3D at 1080p lowest settings for the benchmark tool and got 343 FPS.
Brian, And tech yes nation: Today prices: 12600k $185 13600kf $285 5800x3d $324 5800x $212 Which is the best value for money? I have AM4 now (3700x & 3600) but can get a Asus 690 MB for less $100. I could put a 12600k build together for $300... less than a 5800x3d... but $400 with the 13600k. Which seems the best deal?
Not enough games tested.. you’d find the 5800X3D to be about equal if not a tiny bit faster then the 13600k for gaming, if you sampled more games. Hardware unboxed 12 game average the 5800X3D was pretty much the same, think it had 3 fps higher average, and 1 fps lower 1%… the 13600 is better overall chip if starting from nothing, the 5800X3D is a no brainer for current am4 owners
Good content but I think 1080p gaming bench marks are really not worth for real world gaming. Most people buying high end CPU's and running 4090 are gaming at 1440p or 4K at least.
I'm still rocking a Xeon in X58 platform, looking to build new system in the next couple months, torn what cpu to go for, either this i5 or a 7700x, GPU I'm probably going to get a used rx6800xt...
the tests were done in ddr5 right vs 5800X3D ddr4? would love to see ddr4 on 13600k. ddr5 memory is just too expensive right now and i already have a ddr4 3600 cl18 memory. just need to choose a cpu and mobo now
Review after review keeps showing that if you have a decent AM4 board update that bios and drop in the 5800x3d. That should carry for years. Anyone building from scratch though it looks like the 13600k might be the budget gaming champ. I want to see some ddr4 z690 boards running it vs ddr5 because I'm seeing a lot of z690s going for 150 USD used now and of course used dd4 is getting super cheap.
I've been building lately with I3 10105's with high speed SSD and ram paired with rtx2060 aio water cooling, having very good gaming results on a budget, i've been blown away with the speed from this budget build. Can you show how these budget builds compare to the high-end intel CPU's please?
Oh was time limited in this case, so much testing and so little time. And also the 1080p numbers should show the limits too, so you are able to extrapolate the numbers for a particular game based on GPU / monitor refresh rate. Hope that helps!
My son needs a CPU upgrade so I am going to give him my Ryzen 7 3700X. This leaves me with a couple of options: Get a 5800X3D and buy him a cheap B550 mobo + RAM. I could go with AM5 but it seems a bit pricey, or I could go Intel and get i5-13600K for example. My max budget is £600 and also need to consider things like PSU (I have 750W Corsair) and a cooler (I am very happy with my BeQuiet Silent Loop 2 AIO). I play a mix of AAA games, indies and fast paced shooters on a 1440p 165Hz monitor and RTX 3070 (which I will probably upgrade next year). What would you guys recommend to do?
I disagree it is great "value". In the UK the 5800X3D is £419.00, vs the 13600K at £379.99. For the 13600k, I would need a new motherboard and maybe DDR5 (unless I reused my DDR4). Right now, I could just get a 5800X3D and fit that into my rig. No new motherboard or RAM. Saving around £500.00. Plus, the 600K sku, has such an inflated price from only 5-7 years back. I recall it cost about £200.00 or less here. As an I5, I feel price is too high and it will not sell. In terms of performance, it is good, but this die I believe is an outdated 10nm process (I may be wrong) and sucks more juice than the 7000 series from AMD. If I was to buy from new as a clean slate, this would then be the option for gaming on PC. But the motherboards and CPUs, plus DDR5 all have such a high price right now and do not offer good value.
I see such comments and I disagree about the price. In single core bench , my i7 8700 score is almost as twice as low compared to 13600k ( 430 vs 780) and triple multi-core performance ( 3k vs 9k or so in Cinebench) . Back then in April 2018 I bought i7 for 290-295 euro for the lowest possible price I have seen in here for new piece ( Eastern Europe) . Now I can buy 13600k at this very moment for exactly 330 euro. So for 80% better single core and almost triple multi-core performance you can buy a very nice cpu which will last you at least to be honest for 5 years. So an i5 is just twice as better from older 8-9th gen i7s so you can't expect the prices to stay the same. Everything is inflated from 7 years until now , but it also advanced at very fast pace. Cost will increase even more for newer chips and will gradually become cheaper. Interesting reference: cset.georgetown.edu/article/analysts-believe-that-a-single-tsmc-5nm-wafer-costs-17000/
I've got an 13600KF SP rated 77 by the rog strix z690-a gaming D5. @1.18V with kraken X73. Never seen 75 degree temperatures even hours extended render loads. That little i5 is awesome.
These wattage will ensure that you're paying alot more in the long run on top of the retail price. So gotta think wisely if your place has high power cost.
What stein said. Also tech notice, another youtuber looked into the 12th gen few months ago and intel's chip idle power use and temperature is lower than that of Ryzen 5000 which made the overall power usage and temperature less than amd's. Only heavy load makes it draw more power and that doesn't always happen and even if it does only i9 is a problem as it draws too much power. i4, i5, i7 s are great. Intel is now the budget option and x3d chips of amd is for high end gaming options.
is not only the power consumption, the heat, you will need a watercooler and it will run hot, perhaps wait for the lower power consumption models for the i5
6:22 man I wish there were more cpus on this chart, but thanks Tech YES! Everybody NEEDS to post an average gaming wattage in stock setting and overclocked when reviewing a cpu! I'm tired of all this Cinebench hitting 400w hype trying to scare buyers away from reality. Everywhere people painted the picture that my 10850k was gonna drive my electricity bill through the roof, I web browse at 14w, game at 70w overclocked 5.2 all cores, tell the people the truth they need to know internet!
Hey, dude. Do you ever use HWbot's benchmark tools? They currently do not have much on the 13900K logged on their site yet. I'm very interested in the x265 benchmark results of this CPU out of the box. I do a lot of handbrake encodes on my Plex server, and I'm interested in this chip.
@@degroot50 You think sometimes? I remind you that AM5 will be supported until at least 2025 while the LGA1700 socket has reached the end of its life, genius. So having said that, I really don't think AMD's 7000 series is useless. Let's talk about it once the ryzen 7800x3d comes out ahahahah
@@mikehcl I remind you that AMD is so bad they cannot even afford to pay for enough water in their GPU vapour chambers :) I remind you that AMD is incapable of offering DDR4 on AM5 ,,,, I remind you that the 13600k has been awarded OVER and OVER again as best cpu. 7800X3D ,, just another copy of the USELESS 5800X3D. NOW talk the 5900X3D ,, that looks interesting , a very different implementation of the 3D cache ,,,
@@mikehclwho tf buys a cpu every year for a supported motherboard to be relevant? Yes ryzen 7000 is useless with 13th gen outperforming it in every way.
@@GoldenEagle0007 I started streaming and that is when I noticed I needed more CPU. Basic gaming, especially 144hz and under, 8700k prob still does the job! :)
Bryan, do you know how these newer CPUs fare with Win10? If I were to buy anything newer, I wouldn't want to use Win11. Thanks for including all the undervolt results, nobody else does this atm. In the UK the 13600K is a whopping 380 UKP which is a bit much for me, and even the KF is 350. It'll be interesting to see how Intel prices the inevitable 13400 and suchlike; I recently built an 'emergency' 10400 setup and was quite impressed with the performance given the low price. Intel continues to offer a value advanage by maintaining supply of older parts. If 12th Gen pricing drops in a similar manner, it'll make Zen3 AM4 pricing look even sillier. I had been hoping to get a 5950X to investigate core scaling with NVEnc, but the price has gone back up a lot recently so that'll have to wait a while.
@@Knebebelmeyer I do play 1080p but it's Ultrawide so it's halfway between 1080 and 1440 as far as pixel count. I also play at high settings in everything but Quake and Overwatch so usually my CPU is not too loaded down. Main reasons I want to upgrade is I think my b550 is dying and my 3300x probably will bottleneck a 6700xt anyways, so keeping my DDR4 and going Intel makes the most sense.
@@Knebebelmeyer untrue, upgraded from a 5600x to a 5800x3d and it made a massive difference in genshin impact @ 1800p (3200x1800). literally doubled the frame rate in sumeru
So basically this CPU is better than the 5900X3D in almost everything, except the power? Is that correct? I was thinking to go with the 5800X3D as I play CS GO, after the video , I don't think so.
CSGO doesn't really benefit from the cache of a 5800x3d. So if your dream is maximum maximum CSGO fps because you have one of those crazy 500hz monitors go Intel 13th gen
@@Demon09-_- I play mostly CS Go, and some new/old FPS titles. The only thing is power draw of the 13600K . However 861 FPS compared to the 120 I have now, holly crap.
@@coolissimo69 yea fps titles and older titles will not see the huge benefit from the x3d so definitely go 13600k. I mainly play within my monitors refresh rate my self so anything over 160 is pointless for me as then I can't run the gysnc compatible mode. As a thing above monitors refresh rate if you use gsync ultimate compatible or even amds free sync will cause vsync will kick in
Do you multiple runs to measure run to run variance on each cpu and determine if the differences are statistically significant? Because if not the differences in 4k are likely withing margin of error and it's kinda misleading.
What i would like to know is, how big of an difference would it make compared to 12600K if ud pair 13600K with DDR4 memory because from what ive heard, 12th series cant make that big of an use from DDR5 which would explain that 30-40fps gain on 13600K. Im planning on finally upgrading my PC next month and dont know what to go for. How big of a difference (in games) would it be if id pair 13600k with CL14 DDR4 compared to 12600K with CL14 DDR4 because if there is not noticable difference i would scrap the idea of going for 12600K DDR4 build and just go for 13600K with DDR5 :D
@@ducky4605 Even in the UK the 13600k is about £310 depending on where you buy it. That's really not too bad. It comes to about US$377 or AUD$541. So yes, marginally cheaper in the UK as there are a lot of deals and discounts on right now. It's just the compatible boards are screwyou money.
looking for infformation i have completed my pc but waiting to see these cpus what do you think Brian should i pair with my H670 tuf gaming bro motherboard should i wait for the 13400 ?
AM4 is limited in the RAM speed it can use. It will always lag behind the new gens in that respect. If you were upgrading to a new gen would you restrict your RAM speed in sympathy with AM4?
Love your videos, Im still on a 7700k with a 2080s, do you think the 12600k would be a good upgrade for me, would it help my 2080s at all, I game and use Premier Pro, what's your thoughts?
Intel Core i7-7700K is too weak for NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER on 1920 × 1080 pixels screen resolution for General Tasks. This configuration has 32.0% of processor bottleneck . When playing games your graphic card won't perform on maximum possible performances (won't be utilized to the maximum), because you processor won't process and deliver data fast enough. This theoretically means that utilization of you processor will be on maximum and the potencial of graphic card will not be completely used. Component utilizations While running general tasks, processor Intel Core i7-7700K will be utilized 100.0% and graphic card NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER will be utilized 68.0% .
By my calculations the i5 12600k is a better value for money : performance improvement purchase. In Aus the 12600k is $439 and the 13600k is $569... so nearly 30% more expensive. To just play games 13 gen and 40xx gpus are just to damn expensive for the performance you get. Not to mention the extra cost to feed these things power. (By this time next year power in Australia (when we are not having blackouts) will be twice as expensive as it is now)
Can you do a RPCS3 emulation AVX-52 benchmark comparison between a Ryzen zen 4 CPU that has it against the i5 13600k that does not have AVX-52 support?
Awesome vid, thanks. I want to build around a high refresh 4k monitor. Unfortunately, to fit in budget I'm looking at a 12100. Do you anticipate this being reasonable? I can't find many 4k benches with low end cpus, even though we know we will be gpu bound there. Edit: Meant to add with a 3080 or 3080ti
@@superpork1superboy771 Thanks. Ya, I think I can squeeze in a 12400, will have to juggle some stuff about. It's a build for a friend's daughter and i have a budget of $2k. I can just make 4k 144hz happen, but maybe I should go 1440p 240hz instead. Could get a better cpu by saving on the monitor...
I’d personally build around a 1440 resolution as 4K high refresh rate gaming isn’t worthwhile to me yet. Maybe in 5 years as hardware continues to improve and 4K monitor prices drop dramatically
if you must go DDR5, i think the sweet spot is finding a deal on a 6000mhz kit, no matter its CL, since 6000+ is typically the (good) oc dies for DDR5 mem (this gen seems to be Hynix btw).
@@sujezz Then i lose the performance benefits... besides if im going to buy ram anyway the cl14 3600 32gb kits are similar price to the 5600 cl28 kits ive seen available
@@shadowprice8100 Np, maybe take a look at buildzoids @actuallyhardcore overclocking´s youtube channel, since he knows hes way around dram, and has tested a lot of DD5 kits for OC on aldorlake and Ryzen 7k platforms. For very indeept preformance and technical reviews + timings tweaking/mem kit recommendations i always go to him.
Looks like AMD still haven't taken that haircut yet, like you suggested. After the 13th gen release though, they might have to get themselves to the barbershop and quickly...
Other than the two games where the Core i5 13600K is strong, then (besides Horizon Zero Dawn which goes for Ryzen), everything else is between marging of error, and I mean about the 1080p lowest detail settings, with the very expensive hardware used (I'am guessing those memory kits are over u$ 250?, and we all know the RTX 4090 is u$1599 or higher depending on the AIB model). For gaming, anyone with a midrange GPU, a modern Ryzen 5 or Core i5 and some decent RAM (DDR4 3200/3600 C16) will see close to no difference with this new CPUs, even at 1080p. I feel until many of us can finally upgrade the GPU, all this new CPU will be a waste of money for gaming. For profesionals, the Core i5 13600K is a very awesome CPU to upgrade on a budget.
Been saving up to move to AM5 for a while but looking at those 4K numbers I'm seriously considering grabbing a 5800x3D, sticking with AM4 for a while and trying to get hold of a 4090, or 4080. I just want reliable 4K 60. Still on a 3900X with a 6800XT. Being realistic It just can't properly handle 4K native. I do regret not going for a 3080 as FSR (even 2.0) hasn't reached all of the games I play. I gave RDNA 2 a shot, but after almost 2 years (got the 6800XT in January 2021) my conclusion is that I would have liked DLSS.
That's why AMD needs to undercut Nvidia price wise massively. They didn't with RDNA2 and it was frustrating. Nvidia have more stable drivers, more support for hardware encoding, faster rendering, better RT performance, and more features. All AMD has is its raster performance and efficiency. But if RDNA3 come in at great prices, they'll have that too.
@@angrygoldfish I'm less inclined to be swayed by 100 or so quid cheaper when GPUs are costing a grand and a half now. I think this time around I'll likely get a high end Nvidia GPU so I can have DLSS and just unvervolt to limit power use for the sake of a few fps (that I get back from dlss anyway). FSR 2.0 just wasn't implemented as much as i'd have liked. Not for this money. (edit: spelling)
@@RatBagDad Yeah, a 7900XT at $1500 would be terrible if it only just matched a 4090 in raster performance. But what if it was $1100? That's a huge price difference and for many would be worth sacrificing features like RT and upscaling. And what if the 7800XT was close to the 4080 for $800? And if the 7700XT was $550 and was as fast as a 4070 that will probably be $700-800?
@@angrygoldfish I think in that scenario I'd go for a 4080 over a 7900XT if they were similar prices. The lack of DLSS with the 6800XT really did make it so 4K was just out of reach. Close, but not quite. At these prices I want to be certain I'm getting what I'm looking for this time.
so if i understand correctly we buy an upgraded cpu so we can downgrade it because else it will consume to much power and have 88 degrees with one of the best water coolers on the market.. and this is worth?
Good to see high-resolution benchmarks with a more realistic scenario, where you can see even last-gen parts are doing more than fine in the end.
+1 4k should be included for those people trying to shop for a 4k 120hz rig it's hard to know if you are overspending on a CPU without valuable data like this.
Exactamundo. Heck during the last gpu shortage instead of overspending on a gpu I just got a nice gaming laptop and now I spend more time at my friends houses and don't feel tied to the old ball and chain desktop at home... :p
After watching 5 big youtuber review, your review is still the most to the point, easy to digest and always include undervolt
Best review is framechasers
I hope aren’t referring to hardware unboxed,those guys are such AMD fanboys I don’t take them seriously anymore.
@@meteor1522 ur delusional
@gazza watch Hardware Unboxed review of 13600k..Intel is dominating AMD right now.
@gazza from what I’ve seen in reviews the temps of 13600K aren’t bad at all and comparable to AMD Zen 4.
Specially in gaming you shouldn’t have any power/temperature issues at all.
It’s he 13900K that gets hot and draws lots of power.
I’ve just ordered a 13600K for my new build myself.
Appreciate all the hard work on the channel my dude. I always look forward to tech content like this when new cpus/graphics cards launch. Keep up the amazing content :)
Excellent comparison mate. Holy shit, that p/e-core config from Intel is showing it's worth. If we can limit a 4090 in 4k on a 'value' cpu then life is looking pretty good. Basically us 1080/1440 gamers can get pretty amazing performance on 10th gen and anything rtx onwards. I really really want one now but having a 10th gen already I'll wait till I really need it mainly because of the lga1700 prices here in NZ and the frames/editing performance i'm getting now has been such a jump from the old 4790k and 6700 I moved from earlier this year.
I also have the 13600K, love it. Handles all with ease.
i just got 13600kf for myself, motherboard still on the way. although im going with ddr4 for budget reasons, i still believe that this is a huge upgrade to my 6700k
Can you ship the 6700k CPU to me lol I'm running an i3 6th gen
Night and day difference mate
Rubbinh my hands to move away from my Jan 2013 i7 3770 Build to a 13th gen i5 13600K .....
Just waiting for the z690 mobos to drop even more.
Hell of an upgrade bro! It's going to be night and day ! I'm currently on an i7-9700 (non-K) Thinking of upgrading either to an i7-12700K or an i5-13600K in blackfriday and I know it's going to be amazing for gaming+streaming.
hell yeah good choice
The 600 SKU seems to be the sweet spot for bang for buck in gaming. I'm loving my 10600k.
I love my kidneys
You mean SKU , it's an acronym
Always has been.
@@RyanThePleb Yes, thanks 👌 You are right, it isn't like the cpu is less than straight 🤣
I have a rig with a 11600K and it's rock solid and I can't ever think of anything bad about it
Great, not enough undervolting discussion with this 13th gen. The results you got seem already good, I'd be very curious about CB23 results with a bit more undervolt tinkering. Same for 13700K, these 2 are the ones that have refrained me from going AMD this round.
Going to look into undervolting much more on intel once I get some more free time.
Many thanks!
@@techyescity may not be a bad idea for amd as well. The fact that now cpus run so hot seems silly to me.
I suspect this is where we will really see the 13600k start to pull away from the 5800X3D/7600X. I think they have a bit more headroom for tweaking, definitely more headroom then the 5800X3D. The X3D is still a no brainer for current AM4 owners. If I where building new, today, and did not care about AM5 forward compatibility, i'd certainly consider then 13600k. And if there is any need for productivity it's a clean win. For me, my only workload is gaming. The sample size of games tested in this review was a little weak, Hardware unboxed shows the 5800X3D vs 13600k in a different light, they are pretty much equal (margin of error close) for average performance, for games. You can't show games where the X3D is known to be weak, like CyberPunk, and also not show games where it's known to be strong, in the same comparison.. like ACC or Factorio, those are outliers, the X3D even crushes the 13900k in those games.
12700k @ 1.195V, DDR4 32Gb (2x16) 3200c15 @ 4000 16-16-16-36 ~24800pts @ 171W, ecores and ring at 4GHz I remember.
i5K's rock, I swear by them.
@Stein Mauer They used to be great. Heck, even i3's used to pack a good punch for gaming. IMO i5s were only crap during 8-9th gen.
@Stein Mauer not really the 9600k and 10600k were great gaming chips...
@@HazewinDog 6th and 7th gen were awful.
Just like Soundgardens first studio album, the 13600K is "Ultramega OK".
5800X3d is like a godsent for those who are already using AM4! Such a beast gaming chip!
Maybe but at the price of 5800X3D you could buy intel i5 13600X and a cheap motherboard like H610m Or B660M
And yeah 5800X3d is selling for $480 in my area.
@@OrRaino
I'll just buy a 5800x3d and replace my 3600x
This is true, while you own an AM4 board..else if its a new build this isn't where your money should be..
Absolutely. Wish I could mess with pbo and overclock but it’s the best bang for buck upgrade for me since I’m on am4.
I have 13600. Lock p cores 5.1 e cores 3.9 and fixed vcore to 1.18.
Game temps 50-58 degrees. I haven't seen more than 60 yet. Consumption on average 80-100W. At full load in cinebench r23 after an hour of testing max 165w.
5800x3d is good if you don’t want to upgrade. But going 7700x now with lower DDR5 with the intension of getting 7800x3d/8800x3d down the line that is a much better investment. What is the difference in price going dead platform to longevity platform, 10-20%? Seems like a no-brainer.
Already having everything but a chip the x3d is by far the best move for ~$350 new. It’s that simple. I did it. And I’ll wait for 4k 240hz oled and cards powerful enough to run most games this fast and I’ll make the big upgrade. Prob 5 years out
i5-13600k, I may have finally found a worthy replacement for my i5-7600k...
I'm saying it's the best all-rounder of this generation. It does absolutely everything with aplomb and is really quite reasonably priced, it's also cheaper and performs better than the 12th gen i7.
The 5800X3D is only good for gaming under certain circumstances, the new i7 and i9 are overkill, the new AMDs are just meh as well as being hugely expensive and there are X3D models along shortly anyway.
I purchased an i7 12700K in January this year. Doing a great job with my RTX 3080 Ti in games, including MSFS 2020 @ 4K.
I really like to see these graphs with the i7-13700k
I'm still waiting to see how the 13700 is going to be like, but the idea of doing some undervolting on the 13600 is appealing. Reasoning is its not so much the wattage usage, I mean it is and it isn't. But its also the thermals. More heat, means your cooling will have to work harder, which means a lot more noise. Fans spinning at 90% isn't appealing when my computer is only a few feet away from me. Every cooling solution has a sweet spot where once it crosses it, noise because an issue.
But if I can undervolt it a little bit, and the difference is so small that I dont even notice the difference, then I'd do that.
Basically what I do with my 3080. I undervolt it to around 850mah-900mah. Instead of its 300-350 watts, running at 80% fans, its consuming 200watts and I can't even tell if the fans are even moving and its basically making no noise. I find 65% fans on my 3080 I can't even hear.
Depending on what % my cooling solution would be I would aim for something like that.
But hey for those who crave every frame that they can't even see, every wattage they don't pay for, do whatever you want.
I thought about undervolting but it's not guaranteed so I decided to get the 5800X3D today. I don't like AMD 7000 or intel 13, the power draw is just too high.
Raptor Lake can keep surprisingly cool at 300W
Running the 13600k on an Alpenfohn dolimited single fan air-cooled and have it under 700rpm it's virtually silent and my misses runs a liquid cooler and it's just as quit as hers temps barely even in the 50,s
@@odizzido 5800X3D ,, WAY over-priced EXTREMELY overhyped
@@tilapiadave3234 Yeah I think the price went back up on the 5800X3D again, cheaper and better 7000 series CPUs are out, and DDR5 prices have dropped more. I think cheaper motherboards are available now too.
When I made my system three months ago the 5800X3D was easily the best choice for price/performance, but that's no longer the case(mostly). If I made my system today I would either get a 7700 or a 13600, depending on which is better priced. That's kinda how it goes though, in a month both of those CPUs might be crap compared to the 3D cache 7000 series. The CPU space is certainly interesting these days.
As to overhyped though I don't think so, at least not for me. The 5800X3D is still by far the fastest gaming CPU for certain titles like stellaris and factorio. I've never seen benchmarks but I imagine other games like Space Engineers it's the best too. Anything with many moving parts seems to benefit massively from the 3D cache.
I'm happy to stick with the X3D for ITX form factor for another couple years. Power consumption and heat matters.
LMAO ,, 5800X3D is WAY over priced WAY overhyped WASTE of sand ,, AMD should be ASHAMED
@@tilapiadave3234 too bad i can't slot the intel chip in my existing am4. just sayin, it's not overhyped when considered as an upgrade and not a new build...
@@tilapiadave3234 maybe you're talking about the release price. it had a huge price cut right now, cheaper than the i9 12900k's latest price
@@googIesux LAUGHING ,, wow DESPERATELY need to keep mobo? Why ,, don't you like newer upgraded products. Don't fall for the shill lies ,, it is actually easier to sell off your cpu when it is on a mobo
@@raynathanielcaparas8064 Nope , talking todays prices ,, still WAY overpriced for what it is. R5 5600 (No x) is way less than half the cost and provides 85% of the performance
would love to see some average ddr4 kit testing
Says you can pair this with a 4090, B660 and DDR4, but doesn’t show the numbers of the performance penalty when doing so.
5800x3d is an anomaly
such a great little chip
Only problem is the price. A 13600k + b660 mobo of good quality is like $30 off in price here
@@AndrewTSq but you need New Ddr5 RAM. Think about
@@AndrewTSq Sure but with the X3D you can get full gaming performance with a cheap DDR4 kit while you'll need a decent DDR5 kit to get the full benchmark numbers out of the i5
@@m.m.3753 you dont need DDR5 but DDR4 is defs gonna be slower than 5800X3D
@@m.m.3753 No you dont lol
It make absolutely total sense buying the i5 13600k, Thank for all the great bench marks. Keep up the great work. Love all your Videos.
People have seen the advantage of x3d. Amd should have had a sku ready to go at 7000 launch. Sales would have been better im sure.
No b650 at launch is also a miss tbh, x670 boards are expensive af
@@MinosML Yup. The 7000 series launch could have been much better. I find both intel 13 and AMD 7000 to be bad. The 5800X3D is where it's at for me.
I gave the AMD launch a complete pass especially because of this, no budget motherboards for a new socket is just baffling. X3D is the real AMD launch. Coming back for those sweet 0.1% and watt benchmarks then :P
This man is at the point in his life where there is not enough time in one day. He has got to be doing 28 hrs a day 9 days a week, hahaha. Thanks for all this content
Its all these new releases, its like they all want to hit the panic release before christmas button, never seen this many launches in the same time frame... ever.
Kinda weird to omit the X3D from the power consumption charts... it's the obvious winner in FPS per watt.
Didn't see it over 3 fps ,, LMAO ,, 5800X3D waste of sand
@@tilapiadave3234 13600k consume >50% more power dude.
@@nhanNguyen-wo8fy You believe LIES ,, wake UP to REALITY
Take a look here
ruclips.net/video/Ady9xSvbv9g/видео.html
@@tilapiadave3234 what the heck. The 13600k and 5800x3d don't even appear in this video. What the heck are you talking about???
@@tilapiadave3234 and you have to shorten youtube link or the cmt will not appear in the cmt section.
Anyway 5800x3d max load 110W but 13600k max load is 170W and it literally trade blow with 13600k in gaming when you reviewed more game.
I really do like the look of the i5-13600k and want to build a new rig around it. However, in the UK they're wanting over £220 for Z690 motherboards and even a used 6700XT is over £400.
PCPartPicker is trying to make me import from NewEgg in the US. There is a breathtaking difference in the base price of _some_ of the parts, but importing means £90 shipping charges and then UK import taxes.
Screw it. Having a PC has become ridiculous and unsustainable. I'm probably now just going to buy a decent laptop for productivity work and invest the remaining money in something more worthwhile.
Something is off about the Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmarks. I just ran my 4090 + 5800x3D at 1080p lowest settings for the benchmark tool and got 343 FPS.
Brian,
And tech yes nation:
Today prices:
12600k $185
13600kf $285
5800x3d $324
5800x $212
Which is the best value for money? I have AM4 now (3700x & 3600) but can get a Asus 690 MB for less $100. I could put a 12600k build together for $300... less than a 5800x3d... but $400 with the 13600k. Which seems the best deal?
at last, 4K gaming been tested and recomended in this Video. Thank You Sir.
Not enough games tested.. you’d find the 5800X3D to be about equal if not a tiny bit faster then the 13600k for gaming, if you sampled more games. Hardware unboxed 12 game average the 5800X3D was pretty much the same, think it had 3 fps higher average, and 1 fps lower 1%… the 13600 is better overall chip if starting from nothing, the 5800X3D is a no brainer for current am4 owners
Pero por suerte una placa base compatible sólo cuesta 100$
5800 bottleneck with 4090 more than 13600k in 4k,so yeah,im fan boy of amd but this time intel is the winner
Good content but I think 1080p gaming bench marks are really not worth for real world gaming. Most people buying high end CPU's and running 4090 are gaming at 1440p or 4K at least.
If the 13600k is this good, the 13400f should be great bang for buck. I think it's time to upgrade my 8th gen i5
13400f is not raptor lake
@@HasimFN 13400 will be simply 12600k but with no overlocking...
@@kmieciu4ever yeah i also think that
@@HasimFN So what? It's not my current i5 8400 either.
@@mnkybndit so it will not be a jump forward like the 13600k
I'm still rocking a Xeon in X58 platform, looking to build new system in the next couple months, torn what cpu to go for, either this i5 or a 7700x, GPU I'm probably going to get a used rx6800xt...
the tests were done in ddr5 right vs 5800X3D ddr4? would love to see ddr4 on 13600k. ddr5 memory is just too expensive right now and i already have a ddr4 3600 cl18 memory. just need to choose a cpu and mobo now
Why?
Review after review keeps showing that if you have a decent AM4 board update that bios and drop in the 5800x3d. That should carry for years. Anyone building from scratch though it looks like the 13600k might be the budget gaming champ. I want to see some ddr4 z690 boards running it vs ddr5 because I'm seeing a lot of z690s going for 150 USD used now and of course used dd4 is getting super cheap.
i7-13700K is the primo/budget, Price-2-Perf champ - not the i9-13900K.
@@arthurlongshanks bahh I meant 13600k.. typo!
13600k with z690 and ddr4 is the way to go. Until ddr5 over 7000 becomes the norm, there is no use in dealing with it.
I my friend thanks for the review can you tell what kind of memories you use on 5800x3d ? thanks
I've been building lately with I3 10105's with high speed SSD and ram paired with rtx2060 aio water cooling, having very good gaming results on a budget, i've been blown away with the speed from this budget build. Can you show how these budget builds compare to the high-end intel CPU's please?
Hey Brian, I was wondering why you decided to not test in 1440p anymore ? :)
Oh was time limited in this case, so much testing and so little time. And also the 1080p numbers should show the limits too, so you are able to extrapolate the numbers for a particular game based on GPU / monitor refresh rate. Hope that helps!
I will show these numbers in future videos though, dont worry!
Wow the 13600k won in .1 lows by a woping 1 fps . That's not even margin of error
13600k is a BEAST
Just picked up my 13600k after the reviews I seen.
My son needs a CPU upgrade so I am going to give him my Ryzen 7 3700X. This leaves me with a couple of options: Get a 5800X3D and buy him a cheap B550 mobo + RAM. I could go with AM5 but it seems a bit pricey, or I could go Intel and get i5-13600K for example. My max budget is £600 and also need to consider things like PSU (I have 750W Corsair) and a cooler (I am very happy with my BeQuiet Silent Loop 2 AIO). I play a mix of AAA games, indies and fast paced shooters on a 1440p 165Hz monitor and RTX 3070 (which I will probably upgrade next year). What would you guys recommend to do?
Thanks. Very good review
Good review. i always enjoy watching your video's.
I disagree it is great "value". In the UK the 5800X3D is £419.00, vs the 13600K at £379.99. For the 13600k, I would need a new motherboard and maybe DDR5 (unless I reused my DDR4). Right now, I could just get a 5800X3D and fit that into my rig. No new motherboard or RAM. Saving around £500.00.
Plus, the 600K sku, has such an inflated price from only 5-7 years back. I recall it cost about £200.00 or less here. As an I5, I feel price is too high and it will not sell.
In terms of performance, it is good, but this die I believe is an outdated 10nm process (I may be wrong) and sucks more juice than the 7000 series from AMD.
If I was to buy from new as a clean slate, this would then be the option for gaming on PC. But the motherboards and CPUs, plus DDR5 all have such a high price right now and do not offer good value.
I see such comments and I disagree about the price. In single core bench , my i7 8700 score is almost as twice as low compared to 13600k ( 430 vs 780) and triple multi-core performance ( 3k vs 9k or so in Cinebench) . Back then in April 2018 I bought i7 for 290-295 euro for the lowest possible price I have seen in here for new piece ( Eastern Europe) . Now I can buy 13600k at this very moment for exactly 330 euro. So for 80% better single core and almost triple multi-core performance you can buy a very nice cpu which will last you at least to be honest for 5 years.
So an i5 is just twice as better from older 8-9th gen i7s so you can't expect the prices to stay the same. Everything is inflated from 7 years until now , but it also advanced at very fast pace. Cost will increase even more for newer chips and will gradually become cheaper.
Interesting reference:
cset.georgetown.edu/article/analysts-believe-that-a-single-tsmc-5nm-wafer-costs-17000/
I'd love to see some MMO performance, such as WoW and FFXIV; I'm guessing the 5800x3d will win comfortably.
always nice to hear your advice. but the i5 it is always a good buy :)
very impressive numbers
I've got an 13600KF SP rated 77 by the rog strix z690-a gaming D5. @1.18V with kraken X73. Never seen 75 degree temperatures even hours extended render loads. That little i5 is awesome.
i just play with my 13600k max temp i see is 61 celsius, aircooled @stock bios settings. just enabled xmp 6000 mhz for my ram
You post a benchmark video about VALUE CPUS, and use a 4090. Great job lol
The balls to the wall GPU is used to mitigate GPU bottleneck. That's standard practice for reviews.
era of space heaters
These wattage will ensure that you're paying alot more in the long run on top of the retail price. So gotta think wisely if your place has high power cost.
What stein said. Also tech notice, another youtuber looked into the 12th gen few months ago and intel's chip idle power use and temperature is lower than that of Ryzen 5000 which made the overall power usage and temperature less than amd's. Only heavy load makes it draw more power and that doesn't always happen and even if it does only i9 is a problem as it draws too much power. i4, i5, i7 s are great. Intel is now the budget option and x3d chips of amd is for high end gaming options.
is not only the power consumption, the heat, you will need a watercooler and it will run hot, perhaps wait for the lower power consumption models for the i5
I pre-ordered this CPU and I'm glad I did.
Can you do a i7-8700k review in 2022
Nice and informative review. Please remember to rest and sleep well. :)
Best common sense Tech/Gamer Reviewer on this URL , This is what computing is all about , Bang for Buck
6:22 man I wish there were more cpus on this chart, but thanks Tech YES!
Everybody NEEDS to post an average gaming wattage in stock setting and overclocked when reviewing a cpu!
I'm tired of all this Cinebench hitting 400w hype trying to scare buyers away from reality. Everywhere people painted the picture that my 10850k was gonna drive my electricity bill through the roof, I web browse at 14w, game at 70w overclocked 5.2 all cores, tell the people the truth they need to know internet!
I have a 12400F and i might get the 13400 if the benchmarks are good.
Hey, dude. Do you ever use HWbot's benchmark tools? They currently do not have much on the 13900K logged on their site yet. I'm very interested in the x265 benchmark results of this CPU out of the box. I do a lot of handbrake encodes on my Plex server, and I'm interested in this chip.
$299.99 in USA right now and is lower than the 13600KF at $309.99.
I love the 13600k, this is exactly what Intel needed to compete with AMD
Exactly, this makes the AMD 7000 series useless and too expensive(says an AMD user). They completely f.cked up the competition!
@@degroot50 You think sometimes? I remind you that AM5 will be supported until at least 2025 while the LGA1700 socket has reached the end of its life, genius. So having said that, I really don't think AMD's 7000 series is useless. Let's talk about it once the ryzen 7800x3d comes out ahahahah
@@mikehcl I remind you that AMD is so bad they cannot even afford to pay for enough water in their GPU vapour chambers :) I remind you that AMD is incapable of offering DDR4 on AM5 ,,,, I remind you that the 13600k has been awarded OVER and OVER again as best cpu.
7800X3D ,, just another copy of the USELESS 5800X3D. NOW talk the 5900X3D ,, that looks interesting , a very different implementation of the 3D cache ,,,
@@mikehcl lol
@@mikehclwho tf buys a cpu every year for a supported motherboard to be relevant? Yes ryzen 7000 is useless with 13th gen outperforming it in every way.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Excellent well put review, especially always including Undervolting and 4K results which I was really interested in.
Got my 13600KF to 5.5Ghz P-Cores and 4.2Ghz E-Cores, 180Watt at 1.24Volt. Cinebench Score of 26200
8700k gang
Sandy bridge gang
@@guycha0s380 Clawhammer gang
8700K WAS a great CPU. Its outdated in a lot of mid to higher end systems now. I used on for a few years! Was great
@@TheRealDlo yeah its still holding up well for gaming at 1440p overclocked 5ghz 4,7 cache with 3800mhz cl15 ram with a rtx 3080
@@GoldenEagle0007 I started streaming and that is when I noticed I needed more CPU. Basic gaming, especially 144hz and under, 8700k prob still does the job! :)
Bryan, do you know how these newer CPUs fare with Win10? If I were to buy anything newer, I wouldn't want to use Win11.
Thanks for including all the undervolt results, nobody else does this atm.
In the UK the 13600K is a whopping 380 UKP which is a bit much for me, and even the KF is 350. It'll be interesting to see how Intel prices the inevitable 13400 and suchlike; I recently built an 'emergency' 10400 setup and was quite impressed with the performance given the low price. Intel continues to offer a value advanage by maintaining supply of older parts. If 12th Gen pricing drops in a similar manner, it'll make Zen3 AM4 pricing look even sillier.
I had been hoping to get a 5950X to investigate core scaling with NVEnc, but the price has gone back up a lot recently so that'll have to wait a while.
Actually Hardcore Overclocking got his 13600k stable at 5.6Ghz all (performance) core on air.
5.8ghz over 24 cores is an engineering marvel
8:40 I really like this chart. Really shows how much improvement I can expect going from 12th gen to 13th gen when running at the same clock speeds.
PLEASSEEEEE add valorant and overwatch bench marks
The only sku from the current gen I will consider. This with a cheap mobo and ram and a 4060 will be GOAT.
Did you try installing a contact frame to get temps down? Seems to be a 6-10 deg benefit from using them...
I think ill take the 12600K, its already 50 bucks cheaper and should get another cut soon, and should be more than enough for a 6700xt at 2560x1080.
until you dont play in 1080p or below, you will never see a difference!
take a cheaper 12600k and thats it!
its a steal!
My 9600kf still plays modern games very well and that’s with a rtx 3060ti
@@Knebebelmeyer I do play 1080p but it's Ultrawide so it's halfway between 1080 and 1440 as far as pixel count. I also play at high settings in everything but Quake and Overwatch so usually my CPU is not too loaded down. Main reasons I want to upgrade is I think my b550 is dying and my 3300x probably will bottleneck a 6700xt anyways, so keeping my DDR4 and going Intel makes the most sense.
@@Knebebelmeyer untrue, upgraded from a 5600x to a 5800x3d and it made a massive difference in genshin impact @ 1800p (3200x1800). literally doubled the frame rate in sumeru
You also get COD:MW2 free when buying i5 12th gen series in many shops!
So basically this CPU is better than the 5900X3D in almost everything, except the power? Is that correct? I was thinking to go with the 5800X3D as I play CS GO, after the video , I don't think so.
LoL both the 5800x3D and 13600K are WAYYY OVERKILL for just CS:GO, you might even be fine with a i3 12100F.
@@BroBytesBhai I will upgrade my monitor or to 1440 high refresh rate or 4 K
CSGO doesn't really benefit from the cache of a 5800x3d. So if your dream is maximum maximum CSGO fps because you have one of those crazy 500hz monitors go Intel 13th gen
@@Demon09-_- I play mostly CS Go, and some new/old FPS titles. The only thing is power draw of the 13600K . However 861 FPS compared to the 120 I have now, holly crap.
@@coolissimo69 yea fps titles and older titles will not see the huge benefit from the x3d so definitely go 13600k. I mainly play within my monitors refresh rate my self so anything over 160 is pointless for me as then I can't run the gysnc compatible mode. As a thing above monitors refresh rate if you use gsync ultimate compatible or even amds free sync will cause vsync will kick in
Just snag myself a barely used 12400f with openbox for $140
Where in Malaysia hard to find below the srp $199
What is the power consumption for CPU during gaming?
stock over 200W
On KF variant the cpu is practically idle in most games so heat is not a problem
Yes
Do you multiple runs to measure run to run variance on each cpu and determine if the differences are statistically significant? Because if not the differences in 4k are likely withing margin of error and it's kinda misleading.
200 watts, shhhheeeeeshhhhh 5:25
really? where?
yes, horrible, but at least it has 14 cores, but 8 of those are atom cores, so, well, there you have it
What i would like to know is, how big of an difference would it make compared to 12600K if ud pair 13600K with DDR4 memory because from what ive heard, 12th series cant make that big of an use from DDR5 which would explain that 30-40fps gain on 13600K. Im planning on finally upgrading my PC next month and dont know what to go for. How big of a difference (in games) would it be if id pair 13600k with CL14 DDR4 compared to 12600K with CL14 DDR4 because if there is not noticable difference i would scrap the idea of going for 12600K DDR4 build and just go for 13600K with DDR5 :D
I'd want to know also how does it perform with regular Ddr5 4800, because high speed ddr5 is way more expensive
Its a good processor but... 6xx CPU's have doubles in price. I remember picking up the i5-6600 for $269 AUD, now the 13600 is $589
that is just a flat out lie and you know it. The 13600k cost like 300$.
@@ducky4605 AUD mate
@@asdkjfhaklhzvkl nvm I didn't see the AUD at the end of the the $269
@@ducky4605 Even in the UK the 13600k is about £310 depending on where you buy it. That's really not too bad. It comes to about US$377 or AUD$541.
So yes, marginally cheaper in the UK as there are a lot of deals and discounts on right now. It's just the compatible boards are screwyou money.
looking for infformation i have completed my pc but waiting to see these cpus
what do you think Brian should i pair with my H670 tuf gaming bro motherboard
should i wait for the 13400 ?
what ram speed was used for 5800x3d?
AM4 is limited in the RAM speed it can use. It will always lag behind the new gens in that respect.
If you were upgrading to a new gen would you restrict your RAM speed in sympathy with AM4?
In the UK 13600K plus cheapest DDR4 motherboard = around £550. 5800X3D drop in on my current AM4 B450 = £419.
Waiting for 13400f thats my sweet spot for purely gaming
13400f is an alderlake rebadge mate
@@bingbing3464 200$ for 10 cores is a good deal.
Love your videos, Im still on a 7700k with a 2080s, do you think the 12600k would be a good upgrade for me, would it help my 2080s at all, I game and use Premier Pro, what's your thoughts?
Intel Core i7-7700K is too weak for NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER on 1920 × 1080 pixels screen resolution for General Tasks.
This configuration has 32.0% of processor bottleneck .
When playing games your graphic card won't perform on maximum possible performances (won't be utilized to the maximum), because you processor won't process and deliver data fast enough. This theoretically means that utilization of you processor will be on maximum and the potencial of graphic card will not be completely used.
Component utilizations
While running general tasks, processor Intel Core i7-7700K will be utilized 100.0% and graphic card NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER will be utilized 68.0% .
And yes, the 12600k would solve your bottleneck issue.
@@mikem9536 thanks allot, going to get it.
By my calculations the i5 12600k is a better value for money : performance improvement purchase. In Aus the 12600k is $439 and the 13600k is $569... so nearly 30% more expensive. To just play games 13 gen and 40xx gpus are just to damn expensive for the performance you get. Not to mention the extra cost to feed these things power. (By this time next year power in Australia (when we are not having blackouts) will be twice as expensive as it is now)
what do you say i paid 339.- in switzerland
Question is will 13600k do very well with ddr4 4400mhz ram on b660 motherboard ?
Yes, as long as it's decnt low CL ram...
_we wanna see your undervolt goodness 13th gen intel cpus with ddr4 ram my G, efficiency my G efficiency._
Hello. What was the music used until around minute 5 of the video? Ty.
Can you do a RPCS3 emulation AVX-52 benchmark comparison between a Ryzen zen 4 CPU that has it against the i5 13600k that does not have AVX-52 support?
What about 3070 on 1440p monitor? Should i compare 4k or 1k results or put results in the middle for 1440p?
If my 10th gen motherboard was compatible with this chip, yes I would probably buy it.
Awesome vid, thanks. I want to build around a high refresh 4k monitor. Unfortunately, to fit in budget I'm looking at a 12100. Do you anticipate this being reasonable? I can't find many 4k benches with low end cpus, even though we know we will be gpu bound there.
Edit: Meant to add with a 3080 or 3080ti
Go for at least a 12400f. It's not much more expensive, but the difference between 4 and 6 cores should be pretty big for a high end build like yours.
@@superpork1superboy771 Thanks. Ya, I think I can squeeze in a 12400, will have to juggle some stuff about. It's a build for a friend's daughter and i have a budget of $2k. I can just make 4k 144hz happen, but maybe I should go 1440p 240hz instead. Could get a better cpu by saving on the monitor...
@@boblablaw4857 4k 120hz requires a 3090ti or 4090
@@sgthaddix2604 Thanks, was wondering. I think the 3090ti is like 30% faster than a 3080? Probably makes more sense to go for the 240hz 1440p build.
I’d personally build around a 1440 resolution as 4K high refresh rate gaming isn’t worthwhile to me yet. Maybe in 5 years as hardware continues to improve and 4K monitor prices drop dramatically
I want to get a 13600k but the question is... what is the sweet spot for ddr5? 5600 cl28? 6000 cl30?
go with ddr4
if you must go DDR5, i think the sweet spot is finding a deal on a 6000mhz kit, no matter its CL, since 6000+ is typically the (good) oc dies for DDR5 mem (this gen seems to be Hynix btw).
@@sujezz Then i lose the performance benefits... besides if im going to buy ram anyway the cl14 3600 32gb kits are similar price to the 5600 cl28 kits ive seen available
@@AdaaDK thanks for info
@@shadowprice8100 Np, maybe take a look at buildzoids @actuallyhardcore overclocking´s youtube channel, since he knows hes way around dram, and has tested a lot of DD5 kits for OC on aldorlake and Ryzen 7k platforms. For very indeept preformance and technical reviews + timings tweaking/mem kit recommendations i always go to him.
Looks like AMD still haven't taken that haircut yet, like you suggested. After the 13th gen release though, they might have to get themselves to the barbershop and quickly...
I reckon AMD might have to even have to opt for a shaved head. The sales numbers are absolutely abysmal for AM5 in japan.
Other than the two games where the Core i5 13600K is strong, then (besides Horizon Zero Dawn which goes for Ryzen), everything else is between marging of error, and I mean about the 1080p lowest detail settings, with the very expensive hardware used (I'am guessing those memory kits are over u$ 250?, and we all know the RTX 4090 is u$1599 or higher depending on the AIB model).
For gaming, anyone with a midrange GPU, a modern Ryzen 5 or Core i5 and some decent RAM (DDR4 3200/3600 C16) will see close to no difference with this new CPUs, even at 1080p.
I feel until many of us can finally upgrade the GPU, all this new CPU will be a waste of money for gaming.
For profesionals, the Core i5 13600K is a very awesome CPU to upgrade on a budget.
Been saving up to move to AM5 for a while but looking at those 4K numbers I'm seriously considering grabbing a 5800x3D, sticking with AM4 for a while and trying to get hold of a 4090, or 4080. I just want reliable 4K 60.
Still on a 3900X with a 6800XT. Being realistic It just can't properly handle 4K native. I do regret not going for a 3080 as FSR (even 2.0) hasn't reached all of the games I play. I gave RDNA 2 a shot, but after almost 2 years (got the 6800XT in January 2021) my conclusion is that I would have liked DLSS.
That's why AMD needs to undercut Nvidia price wise massively. They didn't with RDNA2 and it was frustrating. Nvidia have more stable drivers, more support for hardware encoding, faster rendering, better RT performance, and more features. All AMD has is its raster performance and efficiency. But if RDNA3 come in at great prices, they'll have that too.
@@angrygoldfish I'm less inclined to be swayed by 100 or so quid cheaper when GPUs are costing a grand and a half now. I think this time around I'll likely get a high end Nvidia GPU so I can have DLSS and just unvervolt to limit power use for the sake of a few fps (that I get back from dlss anyway). FSR 2.0 just wasn't implemented as much as i'd have liked. Not for this money. (edit: spelling)
@@RatBagDad Yeah, a 7900XT at $1500 would be terrible if it only just matched a 4090 in raster performance. But what if it was $1100? That's a huge price difference and for many would be worth sacrificing features like RT and upscaling. And what if the 7800XT was close to the 4080 for $800? And if the 7700XT was $550 and was as fast as a 4070 that will probably be $700-800?
@@angrygoldfish I think in that scenario I'd go for a 4080 over a 7900XT if they were similar prices. The lack of DLSS with the 6800XT really did make it so 4K was just out of reach. Close, but not quite. At these prices I want to be certain I'm getting what I'm looking for this time.
I've just don't this. On an X570 Mobo and dropped in a 5800X3D I picked up for £350 and run a 6900XT. Don't plan on changing anything in future
so if i understand correctly we buy an upgraded cpu so we can downgrade it because else it will consume to much power and have 88 degrees with one of the best water coolers on the market.. and this is worth?