Could America Really Go to War with Mexico’s Cartels?
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That awkward moment when you ask two corrupt governments to go to war with themselves and they say "no" for economic reasons...
Bingo
Until they have a eureka moment and say: wait a minute, we could steal more by going to war.
Seriously. The Mexican govt won’t agree because they’ve been made rich by the cartel. Now they’re people are fleeing to our borders by the droves and their very own govt. is watching it happen… truly sad and makes me lose hope for humanity
Mexico has lithium.... the usa would really benefit from that.
@@5phany5ya but USA already has one of the biggest lithium deposits in the world
I’m a recovering addict. I used heroin (& other narcotics) for nearly 20yrs & never overdosed. I used fentanyl ONCE, & was clinically dead for 13 minutes…Despite the U.S. having the absolute ability to wipe out the CURRENT cartels via the military, AS LONG AS THERE’S DEMAND, there will always be supply.
The US does not have that ability so the point is moot. Only the grossly militarily illiterate would imagine it does.
@@Comm0ut So I’m “grossly militarily illiterate” then?? Were you ever in the military?? Because you’re talking to someone who was. Trust me, we have the ability.
@@dodoubleg2356the United States has lost major wars against farmers and live stock herders what makes you think that the army would be able to defeat another unconventional enemy?
the Iraq War wasn't a success we destabilized Iraq and lost the Vietnam war
I hate to tell you people.... its actually a lot easier to defeat these big bad insurgents than you might think. Its not simply not as viable as it once was thanks to things like science and modern media.
Without spelling out the actual honest but horribly brutal solution.... Just consider this.... do you think people like Ghengis Khan ever had to deal with insurgencies? no? wonder how he did that?
To squash or prevent an insurgency..... the enemy must be made aware of a level of consequences that makes it the worst idea possible to perpetrate attacks while hiding among the population. And then, you simply must be willing and able to perform such a terrible deed. Other wise, you simply dont bother with occupying another nations land in the first place.
I am from Mexico, born and raised, live here and all. It's evident and obvious the government is complicit of cartels and so is the US government. There's just too much money on the table. If Mexico's government wanted to they could crack down the cartels in less than a month.
The CIA would be the government agency. Their way of funding their own subversive budget so they do not need to answer to congress for funding. To fund certain projects or payoffs not wanting to be explain to any politician. ALLEGEDLY!!! 😅
Exactly that’s the problem💀
Just Invade Mexico...problem solved
I wish the world was as simple as you think it is.
@@westrimYea bless his heart smh
As a Mexican who’s lived almost his entire life in the US and earned a masters in public policy, the US must prioritize the demand, the dirty money the cartels have in US accounts, and especially tackle arms trafficking from the US to Mexico. Mexico must also prioritize the corruption that helps the cartels proliferate and debilitate state capture, forced recruitment, poverty, lack of opportunities, and strengthen rule of law. It is a bilateral issue that BOTH countries must assume their own responsibilities that would require bilateral cooperation and other holistic solutions rather than ideas with results that literally blow up for political gain
Hi, any reading recommendations that backs what you’re saying? I’m also a Mexican living in the US, I don’t know anything about this issue, though I’d like to know. Thanks
There us no chance for bilateral cooperation unless it it bilateral military cooperation. Weve been through this with Columbia already. You all have not. We know what works. The stubborn hard headed attitude of asserting sovereignty while the mexican people muder and poison millions of Americans is not going to work. They simply must be willing to bitr the hand that feeds them quite frankly, or we will bite it for them. Theyre also peddling their poison in canada. I dare say that the synthetic drugs are at least 50% of the problem, they are causing the deaths. The brutal savagery inside mexico itself is another 25% of the problem. The last 25% is the indemic corruption at every level of mexican government. Sure most are forced in on pain of death but if that is true and they are really hostages of the cartels due to their savagery and brutality, why do they constantly downplay the idea of a CAPABLE military force striking at their captors DIRECTLY HMM? Maybe because they have stockholm syndrome hmm? Or just maybe they are greedy human beings that are not hostages at all but willing participants.
@@donmamon9263are you serious? Youre mexican and dont know anything about this issue huh? You dont see the pictures of dismbered bodies being dumped on public streets? You never heard aboyt the grenades being tossed into casinos murdering innocent people? The stories of innocent migrants kidnapped and forced to fight to the death with melee weapons for their very lives and the winner getting to spend the rest of his soulless days carrying out cartel assassinations...well ill be damned, doesnt that just beat all? How old are you? If what you say is true you must be 18 or younger, and from around mexico city, cause the entire rest of your country is in the complete grasp of savage drug cartels that murder and intimidate with impunity.
Sorry amigo, but the only way to actually solve this is for Americans to halt the consumption of illicit drugs.
Drugs won the war on drugs. So a war on cartels will also fail.
When USA enacted prohibition, the Mexican border town was born.
Same thing.
Most people don’t realize that lots of Cartel members were trained by our military. I had a couple of them in my basic training platoon
Doesn't matter. They will get wiped out.
@@thetruthhurts131agreed! Just because they’re trained by us doesn’t mean they have the hardware to match. It’s hard to have big balls when your holding a grenade and we’re rolling up in an Abraham’s tank! With reaper drones and Apache helicopters giving air support. The complexity will and would be keeping civilians safe, there’s a scene in secario when two choppers fly onto a small convoy of heavily armed fellows and we’ll…. That scene lasted all but a few seconds being out gunned
@@Capnobviouspeople just don't understand that the big army doesn't have to be involved. Sharing a border means that cross border operations would be child's play for green berets, seals and delta. It also means that you could just have reaper drones loitering in the air decimating cartel convoys, training camps and remote drug labs. Then deploy the national guard to secure the land border and the navy to prevent cartel subs and boats passing through with drugs. Though this aspect would be alot more difficult as they usually use shell companies or bribe there way onto otherwise legitimate cargo vessels.
Even less of you realize the cartels is watching this.
"I thought we were friends" lol
@@Capnobvious
"Its hard to have big balls"
Yeah thats why you are over powered to begin with.
No balls.
Also, you went against guys in rags on motorcycles and still lost.
Get real dude.
Whatever it will be, destablizing Mexico is the worst the US can ever do in an attempt to "solve" any problem.
Yeah. Because Mexico right now is the perfect picture of stability
Mexico and cartels are not the same
@@ZeroResurrectedthat sounds exactly what we said about iraq and Libya then we really saw a shit show isis in Iraq and slave markets in Libya
Mexico is already destablizing into a fragile to failed nation-state.
@@ZeroResurrectedMexico is stable and doing well.
"The single greatest challenge we face as a country"
Because the root cause that drives so many people to massive self medication is a challenge Americans refuse to ever face
The problem is prohibition itself. when you push a giant market into the hands of criminals, they have no oversight or regulations onto what they produce. Fentanyl overdose is a byproduct of prohibition.
There’s a reason you never hear of someone drinking a fentanyl contaminated beer- theyre produced in a factory with strict regulations.
Legalize and regulate all drugs and the cartels will be irreparably crippled. That makes it easier to prosecute them as they run out of bribe money
@@tonym6193 Correct. And there would be plenty less bloodshed as well.
What challenge is that?
The fact that people used to be off far worse but didnt do drugs has eluded you?
With guns they say ban the guns.
With drugs that actually arent easy to stop using when you did it them once its easily solved by welfare?
Completely looney
Finally someone with the right answer. We already have a model for economically crippling the cartels with the legalization of marijuana. It has cost them billions and dramatically reduced the cross border smuggling of the drug. The other aspect is America’s failed healthcare system. But these are difficult and nuanced solutions that don’t appeal to the conservative lizard brain that just wants to punish people and blow shit up.
@tonym6193 I’m sure Portland and San Francisco felt the same way you do. Unfortunately the reality is much much different than your vision of utopia.
People act much differently than anticipated. How would you feel if your home was broken into daily? Your local store shut down because they can’t handle being robbed. Your friends murdered, you being assaulted all by people who need money for their addiction.
We could always follow Singapore’s example.
The biggest problem is we live in a world where people, especially Americans, are easily sold on simple solutions.
what would a better solution be?
So cartels move up here there hq are in Mexico what els would we do they are actively doing the worst and for 20 years we seen Mexico State try and fail against the cartels so what we do
@@nickweber1388 take the cartel out and dont be a dumb american like 95% of americans are
Simon, the problem you are having with providing an accurate analysis on the complex topic of the U.S. military intervention to defeat the cartels in Mexico is the thousands of miles of ocean that separates YOU from OUR reality!!!
Literally, the only way for us to successfully eliminate the cartels from Mexico would be to invade without providing ANY notice what so ever to the paid off corrupt Mexican Government!!!
If we were to provide the senior Mexican Officials with information outlining our strategies, they would be furnished to the cartels within the hour. The line between the cartels and the Mexican Government gets extremely blurry.
I think you are also rather confused with the type of trade that is exchanged between the U.S. and Mexico. The U.S. primarily receives Mexican labor, which produces imports from domestic corporations. The U.S. could occupy Mexico for as long as it takes in order to make them a more productive and reliable resource!!!!
Roberto Calderon fought for close to a decade and was making a dent. Unfortunately with Obrador it appears cartel money has found its way back into politics.
Correction: the choice of addicts isn't actually fentanyl (most of the time). The preference is still heroin and pharms; it's just that you can't really find regular heroin anymore. Fentanyl is much cheaper and more abundant than heroin in most places around the US. Even the "heroin" you get is almost always tainted by other things, and these days it's fentanyl. Makes sense, because it sends you into withdrawals faster meaning opiate addicts now need to use more often to stay well. It's a decent enough business decision, except when it kills everyone.
Very true. Even a lot of cocaine has fentanyl in it. They add it to everything because hard opiates have some of the nastiest withdrawals of anything on earth, and they know people will do whatever it takes to buy more. There’s no such thing as a safe street drug in America anymore. If it’s not regulated, you can no longer guarantee its safety
Always one idiot that thinks he's right. You are today's winner. Stfu.
Here in Seattle some people just actually do fent on its own but that’s kinda rare. Usually it’s people ODing on yercs.
I don't know about that man. The rehab I was at the opium addicts preferred fent, they said the heroin didn't do anything for them. Sad
The entire purpose is to kill! You're either ignorant or brain dead!
"See, if you look at the drug war from a purely economic point of view, the role of the government is to protect the drug cartel. That's literally true." -- Milton Friedman
Can't have competition to the American companies making mountainloads of money pushing opiods. 😂
This quote has genuinely stumped me, can someone smarter than me explain the implications?
@@blumhlxthe explanation is that Milton Friedman is a corporocratic economic anarchist and cult founder.
@@blumhlx The drug business is only as lucrative (and violent) as it is because of prohibition. Stop trying to protect people from themselves and most problems would be gone.
Actually, that's what I think about all of this. Sounds like they want to control a market that got away from their grasping hands. If there is no gun reform and the cost of life sucks, drugs will still be king.
I don't hear of a lot of people in Mexico dying from these drugs. We need to fix our culture of loneliness and spiritual emptiness if we want to fix the drug problem.
That's right. Gotta start preaching that good word. How many times have you prayed to the Omnissiah today?
Cant happen when people are living paycheck to paycheck.
Literally made the choice tonight to do door dash instead of hanging out with a friend. While I enjoy doordash, I don’t like the feeling of having to do it to plug a hole in my budget as a full time salaried worker.
And before anyone says “well switch jobs” or “switch companies,” that might work for me, but it still means someone else would be doing it. And it’d probably be someone spending a lot more money than I do.
The capitalist society keeps everyone looking for a way to make a buck or steal a buck in order to survive.
The dea is one of the biggest cartels
True. We live in the Yucatan state. Dying from drug overdose is extremely rare. Maybe one death in 5 years. Mex gas Family, God and a health-care system yhats affordable.
they also kill farmers for their avocado farms .. should we stop eating guacamole too? Sounds like you support terrorist organizations …not to mention the sex trafficking.
For years I worked in construction in California, and I started asking guys from Mexico about this very idea. Everyone of them said they thought it was a great idea. Those criminal cartels are responsible for all types of atrocities. Let me point out that the average citizen in Mexico understands that key people in their government are in the cartels' pocket, so maybe it's better to access what the Mexican people want instead of what their corrupt government wants.
With the exception of desperate people and traitors Mexicans don't want American troops in Mexico.
Bingo
We need to go after our own pharmaceutical cartels in America they fueled the opioid epidemic and the drug cartels filled the demand on the streets when the prescriptions ran out
That has more or less already happened. It is much, much more difficult to get a prescription for opoids today, even in cases where they may be legitimately needed.
Why would the politicians go after their donors?
More likely it's the pharmaceutical companies tabling the idea of attacking the cartels
@@benaguilar1787 really? Then why aren't the news headlines full of hedge fund managers, bank CEOs, Hospital CEOs, insurance company CEOs and pharmaceutical company CEOs beeing charged and convicted to centuries behind bars on RICO grounds?
Why isn't the whole US health care industry seized by federal, state and local government and put under public conservatorship through criminal asset forfeiture processes?
Because *THAT* is what the *minimal acceptable level* of accountability would look like.
@@benaguilar1787Yes, and the government making it harder to keep getting prescription opioids lead those already addicted to turn to fentanyl.
Thank you
Despite mentioning it briefly, something foreigners learning about cartels from this video will fail to grasp is just HOW DEEPLY entrenched cartels are in small communities. Mexico is essentially a mountain range with small sections for cities interspread, so many small communities are so isolated they don't receive basic services or necessities. Cartels, with their immense profits, often provide actual hummanitarian assistance to these regions. They are known to kidnap doctors, telecommunication workers, etc and have them service their communities. That's why El Chapo was so beloved by Mexicans despite the US hunting him down like their life depended on it.
The poor people from these communities will not just find it "annoying" or "inconvenient" to have the US hunting down these people. They will actively resist, because to them, these people are heroes. Mexican cartels are much more beloved by their population than even the most popular mafia lords in the prohibition era, because back then mafia bosses were just celebrities, and Mexican cartels are closer to saviors for these communities than just gossip.
Edit: to clarify. No, this is not the case in big cities. This applies to the poorest, most isolated regions of the country.
What are you talking about? thats Cartel propaganda, do you really think they can just put a "starlink" HUB and thats all? they use water suply that steal, put toxin and sterilize lands, kidnapp and kill those poor guys.
I see what you’re saying but they are making their money off of selling illegal substances within a different nation that is actively trying to stop them. They are a parasite to our nation and need to go. They shouldn’t kidnap our citizens, they shouldn’t traffic our children, and they shouldn’t mess around with the largest economic and military power on the planet. I understand that those people are poor but making money via kidnapping, selling, ransoming, or killing our people and theirs as well is not the way to do it.
I would be too if I was destitute and forgotten.
The proposed “War on the Cartels” would effectively be the Vietnam War and the War on Terror except this time, it would be right on the US border. I guarantee this would be our version of the Ukraine War except against actual criminals with zero morals and very little hesitation to make every drop of blood spent double so for the US.
@@SouthernHavoc I never said they were good people. My comment is mean to explain a major complication that any military intervention would face. That's it.
Plus, Cartels dont kidnap US citizens or traffic US children. They do that to Mexican citizens, to Mexican children. The sex trafficking of cartels is mostly kidnapping Mexican women and south american immigrants passing through Mexico. CD Juarez was the most dangerous place on Earth to be a woman at the height of the violence and it was all against latin american women, NOT US citizens.
You are deeply mistaken on what cartels actually do in the US. They supply the US with drugs and that's it. All the terror and violence they keep south of the border.
as a Mexican i would tell you this... the only reason Cartels are unstoppable and no intervention would be ever allowed, is that Government high ranking officers... including the president are directly involved in the cartels... period.
As a Mexican, I tell you that the cartels were created by the CIA, just check who managed the opium business in Afghanistan
Pues, Obrador hasta los llamó mequetrefes por proponerlo, obvio algo sucio anda por ahí jaja
And over here in the US our leaders are just as corrupt.
So would you support intervention or no?
@@richardspillers6282 that is true. pure nepotism.
Yeah because the American military intervention has a fantastic track record of improving bad situations… going to war with the cartels now, in a world when our relationship with Mexico has never been more important, is a patently stupid idea. Not to mention the inevitably enormous cost in human lives.
Absolutely True. And I actually like the US, if you invade us you would literally step down from the front Sit and Let China be the new power
Putin suggested years ago to the president of Mexico that if he joined the BRICS he would have a nuclear shield in case the US wanted to invade them using the typical pretext of terrorists in this case drug traffickers but the president of Mexico said that for now no thanks The US government would not be such an idiot to do something like that, I think AMLO underestimated gringo stupidity
Without American intervention we would have lost every world war and then some
Invading a neighbor who is our biggest trade partner, is a disastrous idea, nearly as bad as the last grand GOP right-wing plan to reinvent IRAQ and Afghanistan as democratic allies, while killing terrorists, and anyone who opposed us there.
Yes, mostly Mexican
Funny how all the politicians supporting this idea have heavy defense company investments and/or connections.
Yeah, really strange coincidence.. War is a racket after all. What better business then having a corporation making militery equipment, while being a war hawk in the gouverment.. I wonder how many of American billionaires, made their billions in such a way, just got enough common sense to not be visable.. What better business then having uncle Sam as your main client.
So is what you’re saying we have the best toys for destruction 🎉🎉🎉
@@jakobebirds8649What they’re saying is that these politicians are suggesting this policy not because it will work, because they likely already know it won’t, but they’re hoping it will make their donors lots of money in the process
Not really. Most of the blowhards who want to invade Mexico are also the same clowns who want to cut off military aid to Ukraine to give Putin, Trump's BFF, an easy path to victory.
This isn't about arms sales.
They simply hate 🇲🇽 and love 🇷🇺.
And what about the lives that are being lost to fentanyl in the meantime? Do we just let them die in vain because we want to bring down the military-industrial complex?
Mexican consent or no, none of this would make a damn bit of difference without a serious, sober, and fundamentally-critical look at America's healthcare and community infrastructure.
What are you talking about ? Commie
While the drug problems wouldnt go away, nothing gives mexico an excuse for this behavior. They dont get a pass simply because there is a demand, so it must be supplied!
Just like its not okay to rape women for being pretty, or rob people for having something to steal, or kill someone because they are alive.
@ez_company9325 those crimes exist regardless of the supply of prettiness or random stuff to take. The drug market however absolutely follows a supply and demand market. And demand drives the worst of it.
@@ez_company9325 Why are trying to blame an entire country of innocent people for what cartels are doing? Are you 5 years old?
@@ez_company9325and just cause someone has a metric fuckton of oil, doesn't mean the US should just go in guns blazing, destabilizing an entire region for shits and giggles
I remember a particular line out of the movie Sicaro: "Until we can convince one fifth of the population to stop snorting this s**t, this is the best we can hope for."
In reality, I think its a bit easier than it looks - the drug trade is a business, subject to the rules of supply and demand. You can't take away the supply, because there is so much money involved, others will always get involved to replace them.
So you remove the demand. If you need help with this, ask Portugal for pointers - they managed to curb a massive drug problem in the early '00s.
if your a christian you need to repent of your sins PLZ
we should just ship druggies to mexico
This is a great point...i agree
If your a christian you need to repent of your sins PLZ
If your a christian you need to repent of your sins PLZ @@happygilmore1844
Too much money involved for them to start a war..
Yes, its all corrupt.
Send John wick and let’s see if their empire still standing
What money? 😂😂 what we have gave to Ukraine $100 billion is less than what they make in a year. Chapo wasn’t even worth much
Gay ahh government. Operation fast and furious
Our country has illegal immigrants and it's own problems. United States might have a civil war or severe conflict or civil unrest and onwards all because of a weak United President.
Remember the time the US government gave guns to the cartel? Yeah, I remember.
Operation Fast & Furious I think it was? They "lost track" of the shipment.
Pepperidge farm remembers..
Remember when taxpayer money went to fund cartel members) and protect them with lawyers) who control colleges all across the United States?
I do.
The amount of blackmail the cartels almost certainly have on all tiers of government would be STAGGERING 😂
Most of the government are cartel members
As if that's going save them from getting drone striked or Seal Team Six'd.
Its quite interesting that you believe these room temp IQ criminals, who thrive on the suffering of other humans, have any mental capacity beyond: r*pe, murder, steal. You are giving these gutter trash morons far too much credit.
@@M0rshu64that’s never going to happen. Unless u want Afghanistan 2.0 right next to your doorstep
@@M0rshu64unless you want 9/11 2.0 improved 🤣
Given the fact that Mexico is such a major trading partner, and that it may be a key centerpiece in diminishing America's reliance on Chinese goods, such an endeavor without Mexican approval could result in trade ceasing, and thus a probable economic crash.
Exactly, and after decades of submission, Mexico doesn't want to be the USA dog, as none would.
Not to mention Mexico would certainly turncoat and turn to China and Russia running scared banging on their door the same way the Baltics ran to NATO. BEGGING to get in.
Most countries moved out of China bud. Bangladesh and Mexico and S America countries for the cheap labor. Watch some China Observer or Serpentza. Probably spelled Serpentza's channel wrong but it's a white guy from S Africa.
at the same time, if all those profits end up making it into the hands of the cartels, will that really be better than relying on Chinese goods?
@@jl8754read yourself instead of being "informed" just by videos. Everyone still relies on China one way or another sadly. I’m not no pro CCP bot but your comment was just an iceberg and doesn’t go deep on how we’re still intertwine with China globally (not America but a lot of our partners still import more than 50% of their goods from China) yes we are slowly detaching ourselves (Americans) but our allies aren’t and that’s what’s keeping the CCP alive, not to mention you clearly didn’t read his comment. He said if Mexico falls apart so does the economy (even global Mexico is the top 10 in terms of gpd and exports)
Idk if this helps anyone, but usually my days go pretty well by NOT doing hardcore drugs
Literally True. I live in México where the shitt Is produced and we dont have nearly as much adiction issues as the US, how Is It possible?? Well...we just dont do that much drugs. Is not like we Dont do heavy dutty work either and Dont get hurt, but we Dont get prescriptions for hard drugs to treat it
You don't solve drug epidemics with missile strikes on an allied nation and trade partner. Sadly, our government doesn't want to take responsibility for their own complicity in the problem and, as someone else pointed out, they refuse to address the root problem of addiction. The demand for the drugs would still exist and would be supplied by whatever syndicate was best positioned to move in - IF - the Mexican cartels could be taken out.
I'm desperately hoping for cooler heads after the next election.
I agree with what ur saying, but especially what’s happening now with this terrible Biden adm, this epidemic has exploded since he was elected president.. and the fact that Mexican government is extremely corrupt, what other choice does the US has at this point? I would start with closing the border, finish building the wall and have the US military at the border along with border patrol agents.
The surest, easiest, and least deadly way to eliminate the cartels, is to take away the demand for their products, and therefore eliminating their access and dominance of the black market they operate through.
All it would take to accomplish this would be to decriminalize all drugs, regulate and tax them. This would take time, planning, and work, but it’s the only thing that would be capable of substantial, and meaningful success.
We can’t arrest our way out of this. You can’t punish your way out of it. We can’t send in the troops to defeat it militarily either. That’s probably the most crackpot idea I’ve heard so far on how to address this issue. We can’t ignore it, and we can’t keep doing the same thing over and over while expecting to somehow, eventually, get results. It’s time to be realistic about this, and that might require some people to swallow their pride and step outside their comfort zone at times. Otherwise, quit bitching about all the drugs, and all the addicts, and the larger impact on society. It’s just empty words.
It's not about taking them out, but imposing consequences, they would think twice about investing and getting into that game if they were going to do or lose massive amounts of money.
the problem is most of the cartels get their money from the U.S. not Mexico, and the Arms they used are also American made not Mexican, the politicians of U.S. know this, but they have always used this talk to gain free votes easy as that. at the end the middle class are the ones paying for the broken dishes of the rich and poor from both countries@@coldarcticoasis
@@coldarcticoasisnah this is entirely the US fault. US has had a massive drug addiction problems since its inception and they have done nothing to solve it. Without the US drug addicts the cartels would have never been created. Simple economics: no demand = no supply = no business. Top American celebrities and politicians love their coke
If you start a war in your backyard don't get mad when the enemy kicks your front door in
Hell yea and Russia and China are Mexico’s allies as well they will def help turn this into a proxy war
As Russia is finding out with Ukraine. Lol.
@dirt-kw7cy If you think the world would let the US get away with doing such a thing, especially the other Latin countries who stick together, oh boy, China or Russia would love to use it as an example of American tyranny.
@@Zeppathy you’re acting like it’s just Russia vs Ukraine it’s really Russia be NATO
@@ZeppathyDoesn't Ukraine need another 24 billion from the United states just to support basic stuff 😂😂😂😂
Imagine if they spent all this money on fixing America's healthcare society and system people might begin to stop taking drugs.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 how does one even come to this conclusion?
@@davidporter7051bro why do you think people get hooked on fentanyl in the first place? It’s perfectly logical. People are self medicating with opioids bc they can’t afford healthcare
That makes too much sense..
You have to justify the US defense spending. That is why US don't think twice, before hooreying for another military action, whether it's called a war, action or isn't even official.
They only ever leave those with nukes to themselves.
@@jakeohare913 this is naive at best. At best the reasoning you presented is a feeble excuse. The most effective and lasting pain management is through physical therapy and activity. Americans as a whole do not want that. If they can obtain a dopamine hit while doing something as easy as popping a pill they prefer that. My family is littered with addicts and we have access to healthcare.
@@jakeohare913 *Some* are, but the overwhelming majority are just looking to get high.
Source: I live in the kind of neighborhood where this stuff thrives and ambulances carting out OD's is totally normal and junkies are everywhere.
Very dishonest to blame others for own failures
Any chance of success against the opioid epidemic has to be a lessening of demand in the country. But investing in treatment isn't nearly as flashy or viscerally satisfying as incarcerations and blowing stuff up.
Or effective, you gotta want treatment for it to work
@@kaliko4036So true
@@kaliko4036 people want it but it isn't available
@kaliko4036 Involuntary incarceration of addicts in treatment centres would probably work for a lot of them. They lack the willpower to make the change while chemically addicted, but after being treated for a few months that might change.
I think what makes this issue worse is that a fentanyl overdose doesn't always come from addiction. It could be college students looking for a fun time and thinking they taking a "safe" amount of cocaine but it's really been laced with fentanyl.
One detail that you have not mentioned or have not been mentioned throughout the entire discussion about drug cartels is Mexicos rich lithium reserves. They only really want to do something desperately about the cartels, because that would be their ticket into Mexicos lithium reserves. It’s no secret the US wants a piece of that. Cartels have been around for years, the only thing that changes is the drugs they ship through
this is a cop out and a pathetic excuse to invade Mexico. if the US is so concerned with the drugs coming into the USA then they should make a better effort to STOP the illegal trafficing of guns pouring into Mexico that are being use to armed those same cartels they allegedly wanna "fight"! secondly, they should also do a better job of combating the drug use in their country! they should find a way to combat the demand for the drugs their people consume!!
They want to take the rest of the land
Why would we need it when we have huge amounts of lithium. Like some of the largest in the world.
Why not just buy the lithium from Mexican companies. You make no sense
@jasimmohammadsaleh9819 lithium is not the future lol keep it. Fuel powers electric shit
@@Rokaizetambién tienen enormes cantidades de petróleo y las guerras en medio oriente han sido por "unidad" y "democracia".
If the United States wanted to stop the fentanyl trade, it would require a naval intervention. All commercial ships, especially Chinese fishing boats, would have to be stopped and searched for the precursor chemicals that are used to make fentanyl. And the vessels seized.
This would be very unpopular. But what are the alternatives?
Legalization and proper regulation. You can never stop smuggling. Saudi and Iran and countries like them kill people over drugs and that still hasn't stopped it. Not to mention I'm a grown adult how I want to poison my body is my business.
The issue comes from China and an American population that wants drugs instead of confront these issues or securing the border they want to opt for cocking up another country
The only real alternative is admiting the fentanyl epidemic is a public health issue and not a military issue, and then provide copious amounts of money to fight it as such through education, healthcare and public assistance for the worst-struck communities.
The drug trade is so profitable nothing will stop it except causing demand to stop. Cartels have enough money to set up their own telecom networks, extensive underground corridors for cross-border smuggling, and even for busting US prisons (remember El Chapo).
Unpopular with who, the democrats?
@@stinkeye460With all shipment companies, as searching all the ships will slow down trade and leaves room for corruption
While watching this I kept thinking that the US government is trying to tackle the supply side instead of the demand side. Simon did mention it once in the video, but it was such a small footnote
Because that sells weapons to both sides
The USA get 1/5 of their annual deficit worth in drvg traffic "indirect" transactions
Hmm, seems like an awful lot of fuss when we could just fix the domestic policies that bankroll cartels to begin with.
why not both?
Exactly. America is the world's largest consumer of illegal drugs. If we legalized all drugs and regulated them like alcohol, and legalized prostitution and legalized it like pornography, that would drain the cartels of their coffers and allow us to focus on real issues like human trafficking, because victims would be more open to seeking help if they didn't fear prosecution themselves
Let me guess your idea. Make all drugs legal and the cartels won’t have a way to profit? There’s no certainty that would solve the problem.
Unless your alluding to something else that is.
@howhigh0521 Do...do you not realize why they got into fentanyl? Because of marijuana legalization across much of the US. That put them in a financial crisis that they solved with fentanyl. Alcohol is worse than heroin, there are studies proving this, so there is no reason that legalization and regulation can't happen. And even if it doesn’t destroy the cartels, it will severely weaken them.
@@KingBrandonm lol you are so incorrect. its a helluva lot more profitable. why grow weed which takes the better part of a year when you can import chemicals legally?
A war with the Mexico cartels would make Afghanistan look like a play date.
No it wouldnt, what a fking joke. We would obliterate them in less than a year as long as it was joint op with the mexican military. The cartels might look super tough and badass and scary when theyre killing civilians or lightly armed police who half of which are on their payroll but youre beyond delusional if you think theres anything those disgusting animals would be able to do against stealth bombers, rangers or armor battalions blasting through their defenses like wet cardboard. Cartels have machine guns and rocket launchers and some short range manpads possibly but there is absolutely nothing that any of those can do to stop an actual military, which they have never faced before as the mexican military is a complete joke
We'll annihilate them. No one can compete with the US.
I completely disagree. The Middle East has been at war for decades. Those men are battle hardened veterans. I don’t think the cartel could put up nearly the same fight. Both the terrain and the climate make fighting in the Middle East very difficult. We have already taken Mexico City before lmao
@@DelGTAGrndrsidk most of Mexico is mountainous regions and they are equipped with modern weapons. I mean they are literally using the same gear the US is, lmao
No way this comment isn't satire/sarcastic.
Us military vs insurgents? I feel like i've heard this one before...
No see here's the thing:
US military waging war on insurgents? failure
US military waging war on drugs? failure
But if you do *both at the same time* the failures will cancel each other out and become a success! It's a fool-proof plan.
dont forgot "WMDs" lol
Bush just forgot to check under saddams matress. The nukes were there.
@@JBTriple8Or Oil! - Which Mexico is rich in
I seem to remember that this ended badly...
The only thing that will end this problem for both countries is to follow the money.
A young mother who used to hang out around a friends neighbors house was recently found deceased in a local park from a Fentanyl overdose. But apparently she wasn't a known drug user and did not die there at the park. She had been dumped there after being drugged and sexually assaulted . So someone she knew or possibly didnt know used fentanyl to render her unable to fight back when they assaulted her. And then dumped the young woman in the park and took off . Sick SOB needs to go
I did that😉
Why when there are so much better drugs for date rape that enable the victim to cooperate with the violator? Carfentanilo depresses respiration deeply and rapidly and is dosed in hospitals by the microgram, not the milligram.
@@KANGZZZ.got spanked “funny” guy?
Was she hot?
The goal must be eliminating the demand, not the supply. Very insightful video!
Don’t be dumb.
Have you tried cocaine, meth, fentanyl, or heroin? You have no say than. All that is like a virus. It’s like telling the coronavirus virus to stop. Stop being sick.
Drugs are a virus and the cartels are terrorists. I will never understand the people that defend the cartels. Devil shit.
You will never achieve that goal. We have the knowledge that you can get loaded, therefore, loaded people will always try to get.
Good luck with that one
You can’t eliminate the demand when dope is so pure you would have to taint the drugs making them so weak no one wants them
I’m sorry but I want to add onto this something that is missing: the pharmaceutical industry’s hand in the current fentanyl problem… it’s not that it popped out of nowhere, it’s a straight line from the time of the 90s-2010s when OxyContin was prescribed in biblical amounts, they went as far to use heat maps to find places with doctors that would be willing to prescribe large amounts of it for kickbacks…they knew. After Purdue had to change its formula to make it less easy to abuse, people switched over to heroin. Then drug runners figured out they could get a bigger return on their money with one brick of fentanyl than they could with 10 pounds of heroin, and people were already fucked up enough to take it. Fentanyl didn’t come out of nowhere… it all started with those small pills given to you, your brother, your mother, every one…
But since the US government is a slave to corporate interest there will never be blowback to those pharmacy corps without a significant upheaval.
Truth, as a former opioid addict
The problem is people in our government and Mexico’s government are helping and making money from the Mexican cartels so they would never do that to jeopardize their money😂
I tell people that as Americans we are good at either fighting stuff, or making money off things. When a problem comes along that we can't fight or make money off of: we simply don't know how to handle it. And most social problems are problems that cannot be solved through combat or profiteering.
@@dearmas9068 You imply that people take drugs solely because they get access, which is not true. People who get addicted to opioids either had a medical prescription after a medical procedure or are deeply unhappy. Both problems can be solved with the right course of action. First of all, doctors should start to look into other pain medication, or the combination of NSAIDS and opioids for example. We should use the mildest drug that still has the desired effect. Second of all, in the united states, a lot of people live in complete poverty or are homeless, and there is no one to help them get out. Of course, those people will take drugs to make their life less miserable. If you want to help those people, you have to provide social seervices for the poor and aid them towards a better life. Drug addiction is not a moral failing of the individual, it is a failure of the system.
@@dearmas9068it literally should be the US problems to solve.
They went and destabilized Latin countries to suit their own needs for US private businesses, which created poor economic situations around Latin countries.
And the US even went and assassinated democratically elected leaders to serve their own benefit.
Which destabilized Latin countries further, and the US goes and train militias to take down those Latin countries, causing unrest and poor economic situations, andassive rise to violence throughout.
And you somehow think it's not the US's problem when they caused this?
You are not the pure victim.
The US caused this issue. They should try to fix it. And help the actual victims that they created, and in turn, help themselves by doing so
You forget the part where you steal and put in place a puppet government.
@@dearmas9068it is our problem. Our citizens are the consumers of the drugs. Without our money, the cartels would cease to exist
@@dearmas9068 that’s true, but wherever there’s a demand, a supplier will step in the fill that demand. Chop down one cartel, another entity will step in to take over. Cartels are simply the symptom of a bigger problem.
as a Mexican living this crisis on the ground, I have a lot to say, but as a the rock band Molotov put it in their song "Frijolero":
"De la droga que sembramos
ustedes son consumidores."
If Morris or you Simon want to know more, let me know, I will gladly help you with updates from here
molotov rocks. donde jugaran las ninas.
I’m glad to see many real Americans awake to what truly the problem is
Americans have so many problems right now. The cartels being one of them but our own government is probably the worst problem. Not to mention the middle eastern countries that wish death upon us on a daily basis and even in their parliament/government places. Then China wants to see us die as well. Then any military aged male from a third world country who could be paid off to travel to America, slip right in with the southern border wide open and ready and willing to commit chaos when called upon. All the sleeper cells of terrorists we have in this country is a huge problem people need to wake up to and get prepared to fight cause it could happen here in the blink of an eye
@@wildcat8598amen
Nope all we need is to crack down on our drug users. States are literally decriminalizing use
@@user-kg8zi1bn2uyup, cause all the heroin users are banding together and forming militias. They're joining up with the crackheads and are going to take over the country.
@@user-kg8zi1bn2u Oh my god you’re right! I can’t believe we haven’t tried that already! Gosh it’s all simple. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
A war below our southern border would cause instability and more danger to Americans and Mexicans
Well, if the U.S decides to form a military coalition with the Mexican government, then yes.
Even if they didn't then yes, it's Mexico. We'd basically just fighting slightly better armed cartels.
I think the problem would still remain. Someone else will step up to take over the distribution operations. We need to stop their sourcing/production somehow.
too bad the mexican government will never agree to that, because it's infiltrated at every level by people involved with the cartels.
@@CHlNY Fund their poor community's and target corruption, people are only turning to the cartels because there's no better option. It most probably won't be something that could be fixed in a few years and will most probably take generations to stamp out.
The Mexican government is so corrupted by the cartel, they’ll never allow it. We’d have to force it
It's as if we were going back to the idiotic war on drugs, where it is all about trying to fight the symptoms and not the cause... but that's normal for politicians.
We know a thing or two about destabilizing foreign economies. In all seriousness the US military could walk into Mexico right now and own it. Had we not pissed off China lmao.
This is it. For a party that claims to know economics, they seem to fail to grasp Economics 101. Supply and Demand. Go ahead, try and cut off the supply, but you never will be able to so long as there is a demand for it. Chop one head off, 2 more grow. It never ends. Anyone can make the drugs anywhere. So even if you succeed in Mexico, they can easily move out somewhere else and do business in another country instead. Sure, you might make it harder and raise prices, but in the end you're not stopping it.
The far smarter approach is as you mentioned, we need to fight the DEMAND side of it. That will cripple the supply side without even needing to shed blood. There's a few ways you can go about fighting demand, but it all starts with proper education on the drugs, and "just say no" doesn't work. Then, poverty needs to be addressed because poverty and drug use go hand-in-hand. Poverty is also how cartels themselves thrive as they prey on vulnerable people and recruit them, promising riches. They'd be far less prone to join or use if they weren't in poverty. So creating more jobs would be very beneficial in this effort. Ultimately, happy citizens = less drug use, educated citizens = even less drug use, employed citizens = even less drug use. I doubt you'll see a world of 0 drug use ever, but we can work to reduce the amount of users out there.
Lastly, the prison system is a JOKE, a total joke. It's PART of the problem. If you've ever watched prison docs, half the time you're PRESSURED into doing drugs in jail, and yes, they can get all the drugs in jail they can on the outside. And most jails do have them. So imagine being a recovering addict, and someone PRESSURES you into doing more of the drug. This ain't helping them, it's only making it worse. SO, my proposal is drug users don't go to prison or jail. They go to forced mandated rehab - LIKE a jail, but they're treated much better and the goal is to get them off the drugs, therefore drugs will not be smuggled into this facility. Working to get our citizens off the drugs rather than just throwing them in a jail where access to drugs is even more available would do far better in hurting the drug epidemic than going into Mexico.
sorry for rant
So I've heard a theory from people around me that this is such a big point for Republicans is that a huge lithium deposit was just found in Mexico and Mexico doesn't want to sell to American companies
Sell, yes; not give away for pennies on the dollar, ostensibly through privatization of national resources that leaves out Mexico's GDP fair distribution of wealth in favor of oligarchs groomed by US interest, or outright US takeover. This is the exact method in which Mexico, and Latin America, has been pick pocketed for the last two centuries via Mexicans groomed at Harvard or otherwise corrupted (Including CIA and DEA partnerships with cartels - Money, Drugs, and Military Grade Weapons), mainly by the US, but also Spain and other nation states. This practice has exacerbated in the last 40 yrs. and rendered Mexico's citizens into great social economic outcry. The US' Monroe Doctrine ongoing agenda fully documents the multi-faceted strategies beyond my brief comment to monopolize other nations resources. These tactics have been employed in many of Mexico's resources, ie: Petroleum, Water, Electricity, Subsidies, Land Grabbing Stock Market Speculation, Mining, Agriculture, etc.
These exacerbations in Mexico, and Latin America, with the complicity of the US has been the cause of mass migrations. Of course US Think Tanks foresaw these events, simply by considering just one industry, the monopolization of agriculture in both Mexico and Colombia cornered farmers into exile or Illegal crop growing by farmers who were ousted of main staple farming via corporate co-ops and licensed bio engineered seeds that corrupt native seeds.
Since 2018, Mexican President AMLO has begun a massive campaign to eradicate illegal exploitive corruption by Mexican nationals and their foreign government conspirators. This has incensed both internal treasonous nationals and their foreign conspirators who are hell bent on piracy. Their incense is so pronounced that they are willing to fool, or attempt to fool US citizens to believe Mexico is the cause or threat to their national security. How soon have we forgotten the permissiveness of Pearl Harbor, the Bay of Tonka and Vietnam, the Iran Contra Scandal, the permissiveness of 911 and Weapons of Mass Destruction; now also the proposition to humiliate Mexico further ostensibly to succumb drug cartels? The real cartel bosses are in the DEA, CIA, Congress, etc. Lucrative resources that rightly belong to Mexico's social economic success is what the US is really after. To effect any kind of military campaign under false pretenses on Mexican soil will be the cause of a very tragic unconventional pyrrhic war. DON'T GO THEIR!
No they're willing to sell lithium, but they're not willing to let American companies come in and extract it. That's all nationalized and run by the Mexican government.
you might be confusing that with the one found in the United States recently, because of the size of the deposit found, I don't think the Republicans are too concerned with Mexico
@sawyercooney300 america likes to use other countries resources before they use there own. Oil is a good example
@@lalito._.01Facts if you're an American and don't know that by now you need to get on that
What saddens me is that Mexico is a resource rich nation yet there are so many living in poverty. When you’ve been living in poverty for so long and then you see these group of people spending more money than what you make in a month and these people offer you this lifestyle and it’s more compelling when you’re hungry. The cartels are aware of this and there’s a reason they are often seen buying things for kids. Not because they care but because they know that these kids will be influenced by this and they will likely be the next generation of pawns for the cartel. Now I’m not sympathizing with the cartels, I spent some time fighting the cartels until my health deteriorated and was discharged. My respect goes to anyone who can fight the good fight for long periods of time, this shit weighs on my mind heavily and was beginning to take a toll on me way before I was diagnosed with leukemia
We can clearly see where you lean but you’re clearly doing your best to remain unbiased. I appreciate it
This channel has always been subtle right wing propaganda lmfao
@@Airbombmust be right wing from a English perspective not American. Unless you’re so far left you think slightly left leaning is right
really subtle but fair in the info
Theres no left in gringoland, all they say is right leaning
@@Airbomblol wut idk how you came to that conclusion. I'm pretty far left and I don't see that at all.
My dad died of a meth overdose but I’m not sure a “war” will fix it.
I’m sure saying no to drugs will fix it too
No Mexican was guilty of the death of a drug addict.
Man do we love to blame Mexico for our problems. Mexico not the problem, American drug users are the problem. No users--> No drug cartels. We have been trying for fifty+ years to attack the supply side of the drug trade rather than deal with the demand side. The only way to solve this crisis is to clean up our own house whether that’s decriminalization, treatment, or, I don’t know, making this a society that people can live in without the need to drug themselves senseless. And let’s not underestimate the risk that sending our military into Mexico, even with Mexico’s permission, will result in the corruption of our forces by the same means and methods the cartels have used so successfully to corrupt Mexican police, soldiers and officials. Are our troops (making $35K a year) immune to taking massive bribes to tip off operations, etc? We know our police forces and correctional officers have not been so immune.
You seem defensive. Nobody is “blaming Mexico for our problems.” Drug trafficking organization from Mexico are not synonymous with Mexico at large. You have an inferiority complex if you think we view narcos as representing the nation and culture of Mexico.
@@QEsposito510 I’m not defensive about Mexico, I’ve got no interest in Mexico whatsoever. My interest as an American is in a wasteful “war on drugs” that has utterly failed and whose proponents are now contemplating whether to send our military into a neighboring country. Preventing that madness is my interest. I’m irritated as hell that for decades our drug policy and debate has focused all of its attention, vitriol, hysteria and blame on the international sources of drugs (like Mexico and China currently, Columbia and Bolivia before that) while paying no attention to the fact that we Americans are the source of the entire problem through our insatiable demand for illegal recreational drugs. As long as that demand exists, someone, somewhere will step up to supply it. The more money there is to be made, the more competition there will be to be the supplier. And as long as the supply is made illegal, that competition will come with violence and corruption. The first step in solving a problem is identifying what the problem is. We’ve ignored the demand side of the drug trade and focused on the supply side with no success. And we’ve doubled down on that failure again and again. We Americans will never fix this problem as long as our focus is outwards rather than inwards. This is our problem and we can only fix it here, in America; it can’t be fixed by sending our soldiers to fight in other countries.
America is a continent is not a country
Well, you are close but not right. There is North America and South America . And you have the United States of America, as well as the United States of Mexico.
@@tomcherry7029dont forget the united states of canada
What about the reaction of the large numbers of Mexicans and Mexican-Americans living in the U.S.? That is a topic I feel should have at least been mentioned. Those folks are a large part of our communities and our economy. Not surprising a right wing plan doesn't even account for it's own citizens.
....thats what I've always wondered its like they want the right conservatives to not just hate illegal immigrants but also hate legal brown Americans just look at whats going on im Florida if your Chinese you cant buy land imagine telling a person of Mexican decent they can't open a business because they kight have ties to cartels
Either you’re an American and care about this country or you’re an illegal alien and your opinion is null. Being an American of Mexican descent doesn’t entitle you to special government consideration.
So we're just gonna keep letting drugs get in and letting people die by cartel murders
I was born in Mexico but I've lived here my whole life and it's just sad they don't want us but there's really lazy and bad people out there but they hate the humble ones.
U just answered ur own comment...its own citiznes...yur reffering to US citiznes so the their loyalty will b to the US or it can be considfed treason
The only thing the war on drugs has ever done is made the problem significantly worse. Until we start treating it as a medical and public health issue it's going to keep on like it has. Medical and recreational cannabis has already had significant impact on the use of illicit opioids here in the U.S. and Portugal has had a drop in hard drug use in general since decriminalizing all drugs and make rehab had medical assistance available instead of throwing people suffering from an illness into prison and furthering the failure of our approach. We've doing it wrong.
That's because there's no such thing as a war on drugs it's all been a farce and a lie made out to subtract more money from our tax contributions
Please, please stop citing Portugal as an example. Portugal never had even a tiny bit of a drug problem the US currently has.
Also, . They are still very much illegal to sell, consume and have. "Soft drugs" like cannabis was indeed decriminalized If you get caught with an above average dose on you, you're gonna get finned and sent to rehab. We basically just said: stop doing heroin when you can do weed and not get arrested.
Fentanyl also is not something you can legalize because it is extremely deadly. Taking fentanyl and trying to commit suicide is practically the same thing and should not become available to the public. You can literally use it to kill other people without them noticing.
That's so funny because opioid addiction has never been higher. It's never been so open before either. They made it so you don't get arrested for possession. Now we have people everywhere slouched over from fentynol. Dunno bout you, but I have a family and 2 kids to think about. You, are incorrect in your statement.
Also, get rid of that victim mentality. Nobody has ever fallen over and then gotten a needle stuck in their arm, if you catch my drift. Addicts, just like any form of addiction, chose to do a substance that is a drug and has harmful side effects. They chose to do it. This is America. They used their freedom to do drugs. They didn't do it to pursue higher education. Why feel sorry for em?
@@astralblue There was a study that was just released recently by the federal government that showed that the legalization of medical and recreational marijuana has significantly impacted the use of illicit opioids. They've also shown in countries like, Portugal decriminalizing while also making drug addiction a public health and safety issue instead of making it a criminal issue they instead put them through rehab and it's been extremely successful and has been contributed to the drop in drug in general.
Portland, OR here in the U.S and Vancouver in Canada, are examples of how not to do it. While they decriminalized all the drugs but haven't done anything as far as the health & safety aspects so they're having really bad problems. It's this sort of thing that actually does make it more dangerous for you and your kids.
Unless you have something more substantive than an anecdotal observation I believe we're done.
@crankydragon first off, you need to get laid because you reek of nerd and lack of going outside and touching grass Mr "I believe we're done" smh. You literally just removed all credibility you could potentially have but you killed it with your attitude. So with that said, you're done. Your hot pockets are ready. PS must be nice to live in a state of denial.
I've lost so many personal friends to the fentanyl epidemic, I was deeply entrenched in it myself for a significant amount of time. But military action will not bring those threatens back, and it may just make the situation worse.
If your a christian you need to repent of your sins PLZ
Bring it!
If your a christian you need to repent of your sins PLZ@@smartcookie3500
Nah, its gloves off this time
It will imagine the Iraq war but being their neighbors with their people being the highest minority number in your nation surrounded by others in your nation who share similiar culture to them there would be insurgency for generations not to mention neighboring. Countries would step in not something we want in American soil
Just militarize the border
A ridiculous idea, one that will never happen.
Heard around 20 years ago about the Cartels, Latino Motorcycle Gangs and Latino Prison oriented gangs being tactically trained and heavily armed with the intent to fight the United States Armed Forces. Additionally, the Mexican Armed Forces and the People's Liberation Army could be easily added to the equation which would pose a significant and paramount threat to United States southwest and National Security as a whole.
And the US will never invade the Middle Ea- OH WAIT
@@HighSpeedNoDrag sounds like a righ-wing wet dream
A War on Drugs you say, what a novel idea... I wonder why we haven't tried that before
You say that sarcastically, but I don't remember the 90's being as bad as the 60's, 70's or our modern era in terms of drug abuse.
@toby7582 Yeah, perhaps, but the 90s were also the start of the crack epidemic
@@Lord_Foxy13 I was talking to a guy who majored in criminal justice who said something about crack but I can't remember.
I’m a professional Firefighter in WestVirginia. Overdose calls are a constant thing in our daily life. Our city’s are being ruined and overwhelmed from zombie like homeless people. Many are not local. Every year a new generation of youth gets hooked.
Such a beautiful state! So sad!
I can think of a very recent example of how bad it can go when you conduct a special military operation in your neighboring country...
No one wants a war at home. It's much easier to cheer on the troops and support it all when it all happens somewhere far away and you sit enclosed in the middle of an empire.
Simon:"Anyone embarking on even a limited military operation needs --" [ad break ] "Head, shoulders, knees, and toes!"
Me: "Hmm, surprisingly, that's true!
As someone who has both family ties to Mexico and the USA (I am a biracial child) and who immensely proud of both cultures...I cannot see a literal war again (there was one in the 1840's)...but the cartels have always been a problem for Mexico and unfortunately have as much if not a little more power at times than the government of Mexico itself, and we here in USA need to again address our own domestic issues and the cause of substance abuse
In my parents home village the town closes at 10 pm. Not a soul is out not even the young kids and college kids.
"They estimated that cartels were trafficking between 250,000 and 1 million weapons every year, with a retail value of up to $500 million, not including ammunition and tactical supplies, according to intelligence analysis reviewed"
Stfu your Mexican and if it comes down to it your fighting for Mexico
@@ErikPT Ok and?
Hilarious and sad how quickly people forget. Afghanistan ended 2 years ago and people already calling for another war. What do you do when the cartel look like civilians and take kids everywhere with them?
You need to also tack into consideration the weapons that cross the border and armed all the cartels, how did they get in to the cartels hands? Why are there so many people in the US addicted to drugs? What is the US doing to fix its own issues? I think Mexico needs to work on there cartel problem, but the Us need to work on there drug addiction and weapons problem. In the end both governments are just pointing fingers at each other to gain VOTES.
Exactly 💯 I say this to republicans and I get called a communist/socialist
You ever heard of the black market? Doesn’t seem like it.
@Albert__Wesker 200k weapons get crossed yearly from the US to Mexico. We focus more on protecting our borders from ppl, drugs and illegal things from coming in. When do you hear we should stop criminals from taking money and guns to Mexico.
An acronym: CIA
They simply turned a blind eye in order to control the Latin American political sphere, but thanks to that the Chinese have the American government by the balls, but worse still, they created a low-budget Yugoslavia on the border
@@ServantOfTheSouththe weapons were supplied by the U.S administration supposedly so they could track them down to the cartels who bought them. The U.S funds their operation because it makes them money and keeps the poor population down in America.
They continue to fail to realise or simply choose to ignore that you cannot stop the drug issue by attempting to combat supply alone. While the demand for drugs in the US is so insanely high and the money to made as result is so staggering there will always be someone else willing to deliver the supply
I’m sure you have the same sentiments about the Chinese opium epidemic
At the same time if the price of admission goes up then less people will be willing to pay it.
Nor do you solve a crime problem by stopping the drug trade. The cartels or most anyone through the chain doesn’t care about drugs. Any black market product will do.
The Mexican government has long been ineffective in policing the northern states, whether it’s drugs, rebels or other issues. This has not only allowed the rise of cartels but necessitated it, just as in other poor and disconnected communities throughout the world who need some force to be in control. Geography will make it difficult for Mexico City to ever exert much control. There’s an argument that it might be easier for the US to do so. But gaining control and establishing order would be ugly, long and probably hopeless. Do we want to own this?
Exactly. The drug industry is a multi-billion business. The U.S. needs to understand that, as long as its lucrative arm industry continues to unscrupulosly sell weapons to drug cartels, in the altar of profits, the problem is NOT going to end.
US needs to do the following if it wants to help Mexico
Investigate US politicians that are complicit with the cartels
Investigate bankers that launder the drug money
Its so simple...
Funny thing is that they all said this 2 days after Mexico found a bunch of lithium within the country.
Funny thing is that they’ve been saying this for over 10 years now and the Nevada lithium discovery dwarfs the Mexican one.
To be positively effective, we only need to ask ourselves these questions in regards to ALL chemicals: Why would an overwhelmingly amount of people in the United States feel the NEED to temporarily stop being sober and self-medicate? Why would being sober not be good enough anymore? Why would being high be a better alternative to the reality of growing up and living in the United States?
Humans have been getting high and drunk since the beginning of humanity.
Exactly.
Because they're fun. It's not always an escapist theory. We're seeing it with the current rec legalization of weed. Some people self medicate, some people do it because they think it's fun
Current poverty , no access to mental health help etc etc
@@street-meatmaybe I'm an opioid non responder, but I've been perscribed oxy and vicodin and all they did was make me feel lightly buzzed on the first dose. very very boring
2 things the gringos never mention: The money your big banks launder from the cartels, and how can you stop selling them guns so our military can liberate certain zones from their violence
Shhh we need our cut
Oh how their military leaders, law enforcement agents/ leaders and both sides of politicians are in cartels pockets like the ones in Mexico
Before going against Mexican cartel first go to American drug cartels.
Using the military in policing duties is a dangerous slop towards the dark side of things
The cartels present a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States. That's a military problem.
So then the police should actually start doing their job instead of taking bribes from criminals
@@user-wm5mw1di3git's Not Police Duties Whenever Entities are waging a Soft War On Your Population By the METRIC tons...
@@user-wm5mw1di3g what could they do? Take bribes or behead.. Bribes is still option than dead..
Pfff lol
We keep looking for solutions to our problems that avoid forcing us to take responsibility.
Drugs, gun violence, whatever it happens to be, we want to ban it and punish the tool makers instead of looking at WHY we are having this problem.
Neither party seems to want to accept any responsibility for the actions of our people. Until we take a good hard look at our culture, i don't think anything will improve.
As long as we as a people want drugs they will come,make all the laws u want,fill the prisons full,don't solve a dam thing society has to change on so many level.
@@mikewarpula911 Exactly, that is why we have to legalize drugs and create the social institutions necessary to help people recover from them. People like guns WILL get their hands on them, so it is better to be able to legalize and then be able to regulate it, then outright ban all of it. Also by legalizing drugs you cripple the cartels black market trade, and force them to do it legally which means regulation.
Clearly drugs get to the people magically in the US, yet they say Mexico is trying to cover the drug cartels haha not fighting drugs for sure, they want lithium and oil
@@skeleexlegalization doesn't curb use it, encourages it
@@D3xterJettster Legalization isn't meant to stop it, its meant to allow the government to regulate the drug trade so there is no fentanyl pandemic and it opens up drug addicts to social programs to help fight against their addiction. This has been done in many countries like Portugal, and they have seen a reduction in drug usage, sorry bro.
Simon really needs to narrate a audiobook at this point. I'd buy it.
If your a christian you need to repent of your sins PLZ
I don't know. He butchered Vivek's name I think.
Wanting to invade another country cause you can't stop doing drugs is such an American thing to do
As a Mexican, we understand our country’s issues but we would never allow a second American intervention or invasion of any kind
Completely fair that you don’t want Americans cleaning up your field, but what is Mexico doing? If the government does nothing, the US will eventually jump in.
@@KJ-in4gzwhat are you gringos doing to eliminate demand? You are the ones willingly giving money to inject that shit in your bodies. You are the ones willingly going out to find who sells that shit.
@@KJ-in4gzthen what is the us doing? Buying drugs and selling weapons to the cartels? you know drugs just don't magically appear in the hands of the consumers, tons and tons of drugs and weapons seized a lot of police and military killed yet we are doing nothing? I mean yes we need to do more but this isn't only on mexico
@@KJ-in4gzThank you, sir. You are correct. and the USA is prepared to Jump in.
@@KJ-in4gzfocus on your politics because your current government is aiding billions of dollars on wars instead of investing it in people like yourself. One candidate is found guilty on their trail for hush money, and the other candidate son was also found guilty on his trail for guns.
You’re politician WILL follow the money not the American people needs. Mexico has problem yes, but there is better solutions than using violence and intimidation.
If attacking supply is not feasible, can we please focus on demand? Why do people want fent so bad? What are they trying to cover up? Sounds like treating that would be so much more effective.
Desperate people will do desperate things, no matter what you take away, unless what you take away is the desperation.
Nah we need that money and resources for law enforcement and prisons. When profit outweighs the greater good of a society you get in this endless cycle of giving law enforcement money and seeing no improvement. Unless you're the entity that sells the cement and metal for prisons and the guns and bullets for law enforcement.
It's disgusting how many America's youth and adults are addicted to fentanyl,I lost a marine friend from fentanyl o.d
We’ve been treating drug addiction for decades and it hasn’t helped anything
Yes, this is the only true solution. Nothing else will ever work.
You have the best opinion the us needs to increase taxes a bit and invest in social care
If America does this they will lose a very close ally. Cartels or not Mexicans wouldn't take it kindly to Americans military presence in Mexico
What kind of ally pushes dangerous drugs on you?
Or we could split Mexico up and install puppet regimes and thereby gain multiple allies
Much like the British Empire was Imperial China's "ally."
We want to, please do. Anything would be better than our current situation
Might be much easier, if you first try to control the demand within your spoiled rich society. If there is a demand, there will be supply,,,. always.
Going after the supplier in a black market never seems to work, especially if you ignore the demand side of the equation.
It's also important to add that Mexicans have a very low opinion of Americans nowadays and that China is making more and more deals with Mexico. I've heard the conversation several times of Mexico letting China through if their friendship with the u.s. breaks down. The enemy you never want is the one you live next to.
I hate to say it but America would probably do what Russia is currently doing in Ukraine. In other words we wouldn't let that happen. I mean look at what we did in Cuba.
If your a christian you need to repent of your sins PLZ
@@petros8478 I'm praying for your soul of ignorance.
Thats a theory on why thr US wants to invade Mexico because of the fesr they kight join brics
Mexican politicians are controlled by cartels and other crime lords. Don't bunch mexicans in by their decisions. Almost all mexicans are tired of this shit and can't wait for the corrupt to go down so qualified people can take offices without fear of their lives. They also make deals with China and other countries. The regular people have no say. Next time ask true mexicans from Mexico not born, raised or who live here what they want.
The most effective and cheapest way to combat the problem is to fund drug rehab centers. Unfortunately, here in the U.S. the rehab programs are both difficult to get into and an inefficient joke. Our politicians and society doesn't want to fix this problem. We just blame the cartels and the users.
Everyone loves a cop out don't they?
This is a pointless question. The USA has the capability to stop all illegal drugs coming into the country at any given time without bloodshed. They choose not to do so because the entire economy would collapse starting with the criminal justice industrial complex. Make token seizures they do, stopping it all, never.
I would really like to believe the US has finally learned military intervention isn't the solution to every problem.
You would be wrong
Well it seems like every other intervention has failed.
When all you have is the world's most powerful military, everything looks like a terrorist.
Holy crap people are dumb lol. Like these comments are just beyond idiotic 😂
Finally someone who speaks the truth and talks about the subject on a proper note as a mexican american we stand with mexico and like mexicos presidents says if there is need to go to war its not the military but all of mexicos sons will fight and in the usa were alot who stand for our mother land 🇲🇽💯
What’s the solution then?
@@malcolmthompson9555Mexico's President said: "attending the lack of love in the American homes is the solution" totally agree with him ❤
@@JesusGonzalezzzI agree G "LOVE IN THE AMERICAN HOME IS NEEDED" Or we will never live in peace in our own lands, it will always be blood shed...
@@malcolmthompson9555 Stop the demand. Why there is not an opiod user problem in México it self? We have good health care systems and culturaly they are seen as an american vice.
Mexico is so weak! USA can disappear it in a couple of weeks
My language teacher told me in like 2004-2005 that America would go after mexico one day for their oil, and he said they have an even larger oil reserve then the middle east. It made sense then. Makes sense more now.
*plays the victim card beforehand*
The problem with going to war with the cartel is very similar to what happened to fighting ISIS and all those terrorist groups. We went to a war no one needed in the first place and we killed innocent people civilians and then they counter attack multiple times bombing places in the US minor stuff compare to what we did over there. The problem is that one day someone will end up killing an innocent person old young a kid whoever that day everything goes off. There’s only 3 million middle eastern living in the US there’s more than 60 million Mexicans that live here that we know of because there’s so many that don’t ever say they’re Mexican they hide themselves saying they’re white Americans if we had trouble stopping attack in here with ISIS imagen what Mexicans can do here it’s just a lose lose situation if we attack cartel in Mexico is easier to educate kids on not doing drugs or even legalizing drugs in the US than going to a war no one will ever win. Especially when the CIA protects them so that the cartels can do their trafficking of guns around Latin America and Russia and China are dying to have Mexico as an allied a war would just push them to do so.
going to war against the cartels would just give room to other organizations to take control of the industry
Corruption is far too much , I've lived here since i was a kid and i have seen state troopers vs state troopers fighting because their commander's got bribes from diffrent groups.
The cartel problems in Mexico can't be fixed with a war; the cartels have practically sequestered the Mexican economy and society over the years they have existed. They get a lot of their money from other illicit activities such as resource theft, extortion, doing the dirty work for politicians, etc.
The only way to combat the cartels is with a united society that can put up with them, which is very far from becoming a reality. Every powerful person in the Mexican political theatre, across all political parties are colluded to some degree with organised crime, making it impossible for anything transcendental to get done via the legal way.
I am from Mexico and self-defense groups have emerged, however corrupt politicians are in charge of dismantling them and leaving good working people unprotected.
Ahhh yes, the self defense groups that the Mexican government has been dismantling, sorry buddy but their destructive violence is effecting my country too, and unless we here do something about it, it's not going to stop.
Fascism is only solution I see from your comment for Mexico to get rid of cartels.
Mostly getting rich off Americans. Making drugs legal or at least deregulating them would save countless lives in both countries. It takes away a lot of power from cartels, people won't overdose on bad fake, illegal drugs. Patients can get adequate treatment. Not a darn good thing about their war on drugs, in fact it's as deadly as the drugs.
@@user-fr9bm7wb4w drug regulation is needed but it's not the only solution for Mexico, organized crime has a strong grip on the economy and politics through extortion.
Money , money ,money . As long as the cartel keeps paying off the right people, nothing will be done . It is a shame the people of Mexico have to live in ground zero of this problem .
Says the American, get off of your high horse and smell the air…you’ve been in hailing your farts for far too long.
There'd have to be a civil war/cultural revolution against the cartels
The most realistic and probably the best options are to decriminalize hardcore drugs in the United States and lock down the southern border.
Yeah that's worked REAL well in Oregon.
Worked real well in oregon
How about dealing with the millions of US Drug addict's?
Why if the US is such an amazing place to live in do they have so many addict's?
Given the history the US government has with allowing one of it’s agencies to operate outside the nations borders in an “unofficial capacity” I don’t see there ever being an official mandate about going to “war” with the cartels. But really, the heart of the problem is the demand for the product.
The heart of problem is also those willing to produce, push, and violently defend their product and drug empire. Don't give the cartels a pass.
@calebbunch3990 theres more people involved than just the cartel alone your talking about corrupt police , politicians, and ect from both sides like answer me this how does tons and tons of cocain and other drugs pass by the U.S border without the authorities noticing anything? Dont they check every vehicle that passes by?
My goodness. It’d be another Vietnam right at our doorstep. 😭😭😭
Lol
Saying that the anti immigration efforts have largely failed is very misleading, considering the efforts have gone into exactly the opposite.
yea i didn't like that one. trump reduced immigration by 70%
Mexico is such a HUGE economic partner of the US and we have such a HUGE Mexican-American population, an invasion would not be wise, viable, or popular. It would effect too many businesses bottom lines for it to pass Congress. Also, don’t trust a word that comes out of Lady Graham’s
Mouth, it was only by the grace of the Fulton County DA he didn’t catch charges in Georgia. That man is delulu amongst the most delulu.
Maybe we should send them back then
@@SneedPatchsorry but we are here for ever
@@SneedPatchyou're the type of person to believe that playing a race car game makes you an expert race car driver, the real world isn't like that hun so go back to eating your lunchables
Just imagine the uproar if China was talking about cruise missile strikes against American gangs. 🤯
well american gangs would have to be in china disrupting life and getting everyone addicted with drugs. but yes america bad
I'd be all for it. America's left-wing prosecutors refuse to prosecute criminals and let the existing ones out of jail.
America: We must stop Russias unprecedented invasion in Ukraine; International borders must be recognised.
Also America: Why don't we invade Mexico😅
Russia went into Ukraine the the plan to annex and conquer the nation. These are entirely different things. The US is proposing to destroy the cartels that kill thousands of Americans each year. Not conquer Mexico. Terrible comparison you made
To be fair. The same people who think Russia should take Ukraine think we should invade Mexico
I’m not saying I’m for this, but the US isn’t trying to capture and annex portions of Mexico…
@@Eric-oj5sjbut they are taking a decision to kill and displace 1000s of another nations citizens.
Yeah because a few republican politicians=America. Makes sense
I think it's safe to say this would be called a, "Special Military Operation." and not a war.
And leave the country worse than Iraq No thank you
@@fernandoortiz8875you dont have a choice
@@carter7944 yes we do
You forgot to talk about the Lithium found in Northern Mexico. War on the Cartel is only a smoke screen to get to the lithium
What’s your source?
@@wagkgs2287The US introduced the idea right after Mexico discovered the largest lithium deposit in the world.
@@tetraxis3011 did they say that “we are coming to steal Mexico's Lithium supplies? “
The fact that Mexico applied to join BRICS might have got America to give Mexico a subtle hint.
Mexico is a sovereign country. They can do whatever they want.
@@cheaboiMWA Sure, we can see that by the way they decided to very poorly deal with the cartels terrorizing their citizens. Stupid mistake after stupid mistake LOL. Mexico should join brics they're officially a failed country like the rest of brics
@@cheaboiMWAAbsolutely no way will the US allow it. Mexico has cheaper labor, all the resources and millions of Americans have Family ties to Mexico giving it more sticking power in the idea of an "Intervention" than say Afghanistan which was so remote. An invasion will be inevitable.
@@welp2388 Funny how your first 2 points are labor & resources......
At that point the cartels, government, and people would probably form a united front to resist the imperialist invaders. It would literally be counter-productive.
@@welp2388so you're saying the US would invade a neighbor country unprovoked just because it was considering joining a trade partnership with countries that the US has problems with? This is why the US is still seen as an imperialist bully by the rest of the world.
Short answer- "Yes" with an "If"; Longer answer- "No" with a "But".
As long as the Mexican Government doesn't clean itself up from the Top to the Bottom, then warring with the Cartels would amplify anti-American relations in Mexico and the rest of the America's beneath Mexico.
I think this problem could be handled internally, without interaction with Mexico. Build the wall and get rid of the lenient laws that allow our youth to slip easily into death.