Peterbilt 359 Restoration Ep.62 Power Steering Fail
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
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In this episode, I started using LBL for setting the clay base for the new shop and got frustrated enough with the strong arm steering, I decided to swap out the existing power steering pump and steering box as it has been leaking something terrible since the day I bought it. The swap was pretty straightforward, however, the end result wasn’t what I was expecting…
Enjoy watching the "little by little" progress of this Peterbilt 359 project that's nearing completion and the next #ProjectSnowman, a Kenworth W900A tribute truck to the one used in Smokey and the Bandit and the one after that a 1979 Kenworth K100 cabover that I’m planning to build up like the one used in the trucking movie High Ballin’ with Jerry Reed and Peter Fonda.
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Yep The youtubers spend a lot of time making the videos For free most of the time The least people could do is hit that like button
You know it’s gonna be good, doesn’t matter what the project is haha.
those original hear box bolts may have been "locking swedge nuts". on time use as the very end of the nut damages the threads as they were tightened. when i need a bolt to stay in place like that one for the gear box, i put it in the hole and then slide an o ring on the other side to hold it from falling out. once i have whatever it is mounted, i just cut the o ring. i would do 2 checks for the power steering. 1) disconnect the pitman arm from the box. jack up both sides of the front axle to get tires off the ground. try to manually turn the wheels side to side. checking to see if king pins are siezed. 2) with the truck running i would crack the pressure line at the gear box to see if it is pumping. then crack the return to see if it is returning.
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👍👌👏 Really nice to meet you here. I bet that your professional suggestions are able to help Mark P.. Because of the little bit resistance while steering, I also guessed that something mechanical is kind of seized a bit. I really hope he will find out what hinders him to have fun with the steering.
2) This beautiful truck still has no brakes on the front axle. Maybe you have something used that fits in your storage? Maybe even something that M. P. can afford to buy? ;-)
Best regards, luck and health to all of you.
@@Chr.U.Cas1622 It doesn't need front brakes.
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Check your king pins. Had one seize on my 389 and it locked up on the highway. It was steering stiff and rough before it happened.
Nothing like a cup coffee and a new video from twins sticks garage!
No surprise she makes you smile Marc, even unfinished, she is a thing of beauty.
You really did a great job on that Peterbilt truck Michael Martin
I’ve been here since the very beginning and here we are marching up to 100,000 subscribers I can’t believe it well done!!!
Same here -it’s been great to watch the development of the videos oh and the trucks
Big dreams big balls biggest is baddest.
There is a couple things you can check... drive gear up front could be worn and not turning the pump, maybe a collapsed hose seen that one before
My bet is there's a collapsed hose somewhere.
It’s the easiest thing to over look. Hose looks fine but when suction and flow get on it the hose collapses
On my 1980 359... I’m also have the same steering gear... my pump was only 1500 psi so the suggested 2200 psi pump and she turns like a dream!
Jack the front end up might have a bind in the axle kingpin , pressure guage can be put in the system on truck to verify it is working.
If the drag link isn't connected it takes the kingpins out of the equation. Was my thought as well until I thought about it
@@clintporter9997 maybe I misunderstood I thought it was tight after he hooked everything up.
@@tater_relocater I was wondering the same thing. If he's spinning the wheel the way he was .. and it was hooked up, it's working obviously. But now I'm thinking it wasn't hooked up
I’m no mechanic... but the only thing you didn’t try to address in that steering system are the lines. I’m really enjoying this project thanks from SK.
Your show is probably the best on you tube yours and EXRiders I love them old trucks I don’t miss a show
The truck and your videos put the same smile on my face every time sir ! BTW, long long time ago, we all were asked about our geographical position, so you can put them on a map, but we never saw the map again :-) And I for sure never miss an episode :-)
Ok mark, here you go, all your fans wrote in what to try to do and I Made a list,
1st take the truck for a drive and make a lot of turns to try to purge any air from system.
2. Try filter change for that system.
3 check for clog or clasped hose.
4. Jack front of truck and turn wheel see if turns easier.
5 check king pins/ what ever that is/
I am an aircraft mechanic not truck a mech.
6. Check for frozen steering knuckle any thing in steering linkage.
7.try installing a psi gauge in to system should be 2000 to 2500 psi. I think.
8. Might be a bad part out of stock, don’t know how many times that but me in the ass working on 40 year old Aircraft. Like DC10-30.
Well I thought one stop shop for all those great fans who are trying to help you.
Like I said I am an aircraft mechanic.
Good luck. Your videos make my day.
Mark that steering box looks like a beast. That’s when they used to make things out a real metal to last for a while. They don’t do that these days by design👍👍👍
Did you install new power steering hoses I have had problems on my truck before with power steering hoses collapsing on themselves because the pump is sucking so hard that the inside of the old hoes was collapsing in on itself of plugging up the line
That’s what I was just thinking I had to have mine changed out 3 months ago
This will happen on the rear brake hose on hydraulic brakes as well. Lock your rear brakes up tight.
@@carlcarlamos9055 I've never heard it happening on brakes but now that you mention it I can see how it could happen good to know if I ever have my brakes acting up
That's cranking one handed with a bull handle like butter with practically no effort. That's almost as good as it gets. That's good. I wouldn't question that in any truck I've ever ran.
Drag link wasn’t connected when I was spinning the wheel ... when it was I could barely turn the wheel 🤔
@@TwinStix ohhhh gotcha...well that makes more sense. My only other guess was are there grease certs in the entire system somewhere that haven't been greased for years possibly?
Once you can afford it you should get youself some trailers. One for Snowman to paint like in the movie, and one for lbl
You can actually get trailers for free or almost free especially vintage trailers. In the 70's 45' trailers were the norm since it was the legal length limit. Where I live in southern California there is old trailers parked in backyard all over the place some being used for storage. My friend bought a property with 7 vintage trailers in the backyard and he wanted them gone so I hauled them all away. They were in descent shape just needed tires and to go through through the air system and electrical. I hauled them out of there on my lowboy and ended up cutting them up for scrap.
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Watching this after detention😂,it’s awesome to see how far this truck has come
I just love watching your videos I am an electrical engineer in my final year love when you are on the hunt for some old beauties. Love from Kashmir.
Mark when are you gonna change that filter with the yellow over-spray on? It’s drives my OCD mad 🙈🤣
Driving me nuts too. He’ll probably do an oil change even though she doesn’t need it just to put new filter on. Haaaa
@@slickmuck4312 Me Too...Hahaaa!!! I,m surprised Mark didn't just just wrap a rag around it secured with a big clamp,large rubber band or tape...etc when painting the CAT? I,m sure he,ll be changing it out for a new one eventually. Put our OCD,s at ease...LOL.
Hell no you can go and use the truck to help pack it down and it's a great excuse to drive Little By Little. No power steering bring you back to the days of the old Armstrong steering. As for the pump problems I would check the drive gear, could be its worn and not turning, next thing is you could have a bad hose, if the hose is plugged nothing will get thru and some of the old hoses look good on the outside but inside they get sucks in tight from too much pressure and it creates a jam other thing to look into if all that fails is to see if the pump shop switched something around incorrectly, kind of along shot they are usually pretty bang on things over st Hydra Steer but it's always possible. Talk about the parts gods smiling down on the project what are the chances that a pump could be on the shelf? Gotta love that.
Lol at the Jack Daniels spot moment, they ought to sponsor you,you are a faithful fan of their product after cold or hard days. Hey your there why not give her a shot of the black paint and make her blend with the rest of the truck, got to keep her looking sharp
One trick I use when I get parts that are heavy as hell and you dont want to kill your back is you can use some of the slider motorcycle straps to raise or lower things to the ground,it's like a little chain fall for small areas and tight spots
I am sure you will get the pump issues resolved and we will find out what happened on the next video, hope its something simple keep up the good work!
Just saw a parade of working Hayes lumber trucks! Beautiful, big & powerful! You need 1 to add to your fleet!
Just an old Farmer here, if possible change all your hoses too, then there won't be any old oil to contaminate the new box & pump. Also hoses go bad after that many years. Thanks for the video's
Twinsticks video! Yay ! Thanks man you just made me happy after a very rough day. Nothing like old trucks to cheer a guy up😀
Old blue looks absolutely amazing
Love watching the progression on the projects my dad and you would be great friends keep up the amazing work twin love seeing ol blue still going at it cant wait to see her painted up
I’m just echoing what others have said already, check your hoses and make sure the pump is actually pumping fluid. An temporary inline pressure pressure gauge isn’t too hard to install if needed.
Awesome video Mark lots of work when it comes to that stuff but you did great thumbs up and shared 👍
Always a pleasure fitting new stuff, even if it is extremely heavy!👍
Can't wait to see the new shop
Me thinks a plugged line somewhere OR the tank return is blocked.
I admire you working on these machines in the cold outdoors.
I'm sure by the time you read this the power steering issue has been resolved. I have to agree with one other guy, a plug in the system or a bad supply line. Here one for you! My dad was working on a friend's car, and it would ideal fine, but everything you would give it throttle it would starve for gas. The problem turned out to be the short flex line to the fuel pump had gone bad inside and acted like a flapper valve inside the flex line. So maybe its one in the same, a bad hydraulic line. I love your enthusiasm and the fact you like the older truck! I like your choices in what looks good and what doesn't. And I must say You know your trucks!!! Keep up the great work and video. Your very dedicated, to stand out in that cold like you do!! I appreciate it! Thank you!!
Trust me, you did the best you could. With replacement parts, some can be more resilient than others if not resistant. Don't worry, you'll figure it out, don't give up on ol' Pete.
Got your channel from zip ties!!! I like it!!!
Make sure the steering shaft u-joints are in phase. If they are out of phase they work against each other and bind up. Did you have a filter in the power steering system? If so, did you change it?
Lastly, first rule of mechanic work is "don't assume the part you put on is any better than the one you took off"...
Guess what every time I see a new video from you I smile!
Reminds me of when I was a young buck and thought unloading 4" steel plate by hand was a good idea ..... at 66, my ol' back reminds me every day what a DS idea that was. At least try and wear a weight-lifting belt when muckin' around with that heavy stuff. Thanks again for the great videos .. makes my retirement much more enjoyable, especially with the world and our countries in such a sad state of affairs. Keep that shiny side up and we'll catch ya on the flip !!
Good luck my friend!
You do amazing work, you'll get this figured out. 👍
Nothing beat's old school
Another great video Twin Sticks..
Mark, I work on trucks in England on the DAF trucks we have to jack the wheels off the ground then turn the steering otherwise with the wheels on ground they never bleed even on a road test! (I was trying for ages until i rang DAF and asked!!!)
Could give that a try!
makes no difference since he has the pivot arm of (steerbox not connected to axle)
With the weight of the wheels still connected to the pump and box but off the ground it has just the right amount of force/ weight to bleed it. Works on the daf and volvos !
My old 609d Merc van had power steering issues and like 25alias I had to get the front wheels off the ground to bleed it properly. I was having resistance like that near the extremes of rotation and going lock to lock a few times with the front end up off the ground did the trick. Not sure if big trucks are the same but maybe worth a try.
Good work brother!
always check your u joints on your steering shaft to the steering wheel ,over years of people changing worn parts if the joints don t match they will bind in certain locations .
Mark if the changing of the steering box was hard on the Pete, I had to change the identical box on my Diesel Pusher RV. Monaco from the bottom of the RV and it was pure Hell so keep making those awesome videos.
Do you have a part number for this steering gear box? I have the same hydrapower Ross box on my 87 Pete and every number on there leads me to a box that doesn’t match.
Always do always good thank you Marc
That’s the best blue looking packer I’ve ever seen
Brother don't listen to people that's called proof rollin it packs harder than sheep foot roller love your Chanel
Can’t wait for the prep videos for getting her ready for corn harvest
Some reservoirs have filters in them, you could check to see if yours does. Also I've always bled power steering systems by lifting the front wheels off the ground (or remove the pitman arm like you did) and turn the steering wheel lock to lock 20 times of so with the engine off.
Check accessory drive gear that runs the pump up front
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Never seen a set up like that with the steering box tucked under the cab like that, noticed it on snowman as well, every one I've done has been up front ahead of the axle, very interesting
A chisel in the crack on top of the pitman arm makes removal and installation a breeze
I would recommend this. Reconnect the steering and align it (you didnt have to remove it to bleed). Jack the front axle and ensure that the jacks are nowhere near the tires because you will be swinging them back and forth (left to right). With the engine started, cycle the steering back and forth at least three times with the bleed valve open (on the steering box. It will have a bleed port, that you connect to a hose, like on hydraulic brakes).
I can bet you that air was trapped around the gear and balls of the steering box. Once you start getting steering, close the bleed valve, then let it run for about 10 minutes, then repeat (to get the air from the return line out, as those bubbles will cause skipping steering).
Hope it works out.
I would suggest disconnecting the lines at the steering box, and connecting them together. Then take the return line off of the reservoir, and put it back into the fill hole. This will establish a complete loop you can see. Then you need to confirm what is the pressure and return fittings on the steering box. I would also changing your return filter. Also when working with a "clamp fit" of the pitman arm, if you tap a thin wedge in the split line, it will open it up enough to slide off. Don't go overboard, just enough to loosen it.
Dave knows his stuff.
Hi mate, sometimes the uni joints in the steering column shaft seize so take them off and check they move freely also could be steering column bearing. Some steering boxes have to be turned from lock to lock without the pump/engine running to set the limiting valves in the steering box. Good luck
Jack up your front axle, both sides and turn your steering all the way both ways a bunch of times. That's how i make sure its working properly without air after replace a sector or a pump. You could have kingpins starting to seize up
Great video my friend, sure wish I could help you your power steering issue but I'm afraid I don't know much about power steering, but it's mechanical it can be fixed. looking forward to the next one
I'd be willing to bet one of the hoses is collapsing internally. You see it quite a bit in the soft brake lines, but it isn't out of the realm to have a p.s. hose suck itself shut. If those hoses are original, (which they probably are,) I'd say there is a good chance. Crack each fitting loose one at a time to verify the ATF is making it's way through all the hoses. That should eliminate the possibility of a bad hose. Please let us know what you come up with on this man. It was a nice change to see you wrenching on LBL, but I need more Snowman!!! Can't wait for the next one! Take care!👍😎
Did you check the fluid color after you ran the new steer gear stop to stop? If it is light pink and frothy looking you have air in the system. Best practice is to not start the engine. Jack the front end and support. Once the air in the fluid has dissipated run the steer gear full stop to stop 10+ times. This should allow any trapped air to "burp". Keep checking the fluid color. Light pink indicates air. Keep running the steer gear lock to lock with engine off until fluid color is solid red. Only once the fluid color looks the same as when you put it in should you run the engine and allow pump pressure to come in. This should still be done before any weight is applied to the steering system. I bet you are fighting trapped air. Keep up the excellent work and love for the forgotten sir!
Mark check to see if you have a filter in the reservoir or in line
You get it figured out. Have a great day
Love your videos and work do👍
The 379 steering is tough getting air out because the way peterbilt mounts box to frame. Had one fight me for awhile. Not sure if 359 is as tough.When air was in system I would have resistance when I turn wheel left right really quick. It's been awhile when all this happened so don't quote me. Lol....Great videos
I see what you did there Easyrider reference ( Bob 's your Uncle) Haha.
I think he found out maybe Bob was not his uncle but a very distant cousin...
Ezra!!! (Ezrider259) please chime in....
As always - a great upload! TY for sharing.
bummer!!!!! I'm sure your get it figured out though.
Man I thought you'd have the answer!!!!
That little snag you feel is probably the needle bearings in steering shaft u joints and you can jack up the front end and turn you steering without disconnecting the steering
Also forgot, check out fsc speed shop. He’s having a great time too.
Had to rebuild his transmission and clutch.
But at least he is indoors.
Wow Does that make a difference.
Maybe that bit of flat steel? you found behind the steering box was the remains of another set of vise grips from years ago !
New lines and higher psi pump. Was down same road. This is what fixed mine.like mine someone may have installed to small of a pump at some point.
I'd check the hoses too, as others have said. Although you can't see any evidence on the outside, the inside of the hose can collapse and prevent flow. You could look into the reservoir when the engine is running, you can usually see swirls in the fluid as it returns to the tank, it might be that you are only getting a trickle instead of full flow.
Big toys big parts 😁
Have you tried cranking it lock to lock with the engine off and the tank cap off? I blead my dakota's system that way, maybe big trucks are different.
Twinstick. Did you check or replace the hoses? It is very possible to have a internal blockage by a chunk of cracked hose. GM had this issue back in mid 90's. Basically a internal kink. Just because you have pressure, dose not mean you have correct flow.
Check for blockages or restrictions in the lines both directions. Also looked like a filter top rear of the engine connected to the system. Just my thought for you. Great video. Minty
A "T" and a pressure gauge come to mind. The linkage between the steering wheel and the steering box seems specious, that much "play in the wheel" seems to be non-hydraulics in nature. Ron W4BIN
I love the series on this truck! also on snowman obviously!
Once upon a time a long time ago, I heard a phrase used, "road feel steering".. Yeah I know, well the principal was at roadway or highway speed the pump would unload excess pressure to allow the driver to "feel the road" in the steering. Then at lower speeds the pump would provide assistance for manoeuvring and steering basically "assist" but not be completely powered. I can't remember what series trucks came out with that system, but it was one of those "added features" that everyone and their dog threw onto the trucks they manufactured as a sales point. Chances could be high that your truck has the "road sense" or "road feel" steering package. So what you have right now is what your going to get at the end of the day with that steering box and pump setup (if that's the case).. Hope that helps you out a bit Mark, Stay Safe & Thanks for the share! Cheers
You can scream all you want, i dont care...Thats the coolest packer ive seen for a long time 😊🇩🇰
I'd check the drive gear in the case it could be warn out awesome video tho mark nice job
I had hose that looked perfectly normal on the outside but the interior had decayed and collapsed on the inside and nothing was getting through it. It wasn't a power steering hose but a brake hose, maybe that is the issue. It was scary coming up to a stop light because all of a sudden the right wheel was locking up and the left wheel just kept rolling! Just check the lines. Hope the pump doesn't get burned up running dry! Anyway you could remove a hose and fill the pump and the steering box? Good luck.
your a hard worker i did that same stuf when i was unge
Universal joint on your steering box ok ? known them being tight before
Maybe worth a try if still tight with drop arm off
Keep up the good work 👍
What a Day a video from Twinsticks & one from Ezrider
Thought my head would explode trying to decide which to click first !!! I went with TS because I’ve been watching this series longer ...
Oh Happy Thursday and a new TwinStick video. LBL is looking mint!
I think there is something wrong with that pump you got. Especially if they said they had to reverse the direction? I changed my 1981 Pete from manual to power steering and after I got the new box and pump on it worked like a charm,. Can turn the wheel with one finger. As for the steering gear, when the worm gear is shimmed to match the lash on the pitman gear correctly it shouldn't drag or be too loose. Sounds like the lash is too tight.
Love your videos
On that psa you mentioned with batteries I put a power cutout switch in all my vehicles so that I can just flip a switch and I know nothing is live, if you did that to all your project trucks it be easier and less wear on your battery terminals plus just faster when doing electrical and testing too.
If it was in my shop, I would check the u-joints in the steering shaft. Then I'd put it on jack stands and try working the air out by steadily turning the wheel left and right. Also, would check the king pins at this point. Not sure if that type of reservoir would have a serviceable filter, but I'd check for that. Then all that would be left is replacing the power steering lines. Could be collapsed internally.
It's possible that there is a filter for the power steering system that's clogged. I had something similar with a K100.
I replaced my gear box a number of years ago. I got it from a rebuild shop. I also had a slight resistance when I turned just slightly to the right. I took it back and the mechanic made a slight adjustment and it worked fine (still does). I saw what he did and asked if it is still not right, can I try to adjust it? He said " no, just bring it back, I've been doing this for 35 years, I just know how it is supposed to feel". I don't know what he did but obviously he know what he was doing.
Are you sure it’s the box ? It could be binding someplace else like your kings or a knuckle, I guess I’d jack it up and see if it’s free or binding before I spent anymore money ! And check the hose flow , maybe there’s an obstruction in the line . I would think the new parts are bad so it has to be on the old parts ! Just a thought !
Thanks for the video! I wish I could help!
It’s normal to have a little bit of a hard spot in the steering box, it’s the centre of travel, and you have to overcome it to steer from one side to the other. It helps to keep the truck going straight, this is what I was taught when learning to overhaul steering boxes. Also trying to drive a wedge into the slot helps to remove the arm from the steering box. Phone Hydra Steer and ask them what could be wrong before pulling the box off the truck as it’s awkward and heavy. Inside the frame is usually greasy and dirty, only exception I ever saw was Les Steils, you could work on his truck and never seemed to get dirty, He always said if I’m going to have to crawl under it to grease it I’m going to make sure there is no dirt or grease anywhere on his inside frame rails etc. Miss the good old days as I’m retired, still work on NT 855 Cummins Engines, not many people know much about them anymore. Good Luck my friend I’m sure you’ll figure it out, enjoy your videos.
Dirt packing Peter! 😂👍
15,16 thousand pounds does the trick!
Hello All & twin Sticks, have you checked the u joints in the steering column? One could be seized.... Peace
Hi keep your chin up it will come to probably in your sleep lol love your videos keep up the great work on these 🚚 trucks
Might work, I get the front wheels off the ground, remove the power steering reservoir cap ,ignition to run so the wheel moves freely, turn the wheel back and forth lock to lock a few times. Check the level. Then turn on the engine and turn lock to lock again with the cap off and check the level occasionally.
I don't remember the steering being that great back in the day. Good luck.
Better than those damn ole freightliner tho ! I went from a 1998 285” freightliner classic to a 1992 290” Pete 379 that would turn way better than the newer shorter ftl