These games vs Flash are sick, sick, sick! First stork vs flash was so wild all I saw was units exploding and recalls for about 20 minutes and now this x.x
Flash is really changing style recently from 2 base 5 fact timing push to 2 base, expand, and push and now he seems to just get to even 4 or 5 bases before he even comes out that IMO is what gives the toss plenty of time to chose any tech
I don't know if Jangbi is quite back to his top form. I mean, he made a few critical errors towards the end there that would have let Flash back into the game if Jangbi hadn't been so far ahead already. Man, that was fun. I miss watching Carrier battles like that. So much action!
Actually, all decent players micro their carriers with the patrol command, which requires a lot less effort than precise goliath micro. The real problem for terran is that interceptors have the same priority as ground units and carriers, so most of the time you have to paint them a target manually. That's hard to do in large-scale battles with 3++ ctrl groups of gols.
top class pros with carriers = way too dangerous. Carrier control was amazing, especially after destroying Flash's natural. Also, it wasn't just carriers. HT control was unbelievable, also. Jangbi, you and your carriers are awesome. No wonder why my carriers suck ass, after seeing your play.lol
basically what made flash lose was jangbi's storms on the bridge when he took out an entire control group of tanks thats why flash lost in my opinion. plus jangbi's ability to abuse the ledges on destination. but i think if flash didnt lose that control group and basically 3/4 of his army on the bridge he could have protected his 4th i think it was when goons went in and took it out while carriers were in his natural
carriers not imba. theres a bunch of vod of flash owning carriers to the point that P stop going carriers vs Flash because they know they'll get own. Jangbi didnt win with just carriers. he juggle between ground army and use carriers to harrass flash economy. thats how Jangbi won. IT wasn't all Carriers that won him the game.
You've never micro'd carriers against mass upgraded goliaths, have you? It requires much higher APM to properly* control carriers against gols than the foil. Gols have the option of targeting either the carrier or the interceptors...both of which are effective. Carriers need to be controlled so as to target one gol at a time while maintaining the farthest distance possible. Go learn the game first.
they dont go ghost cause it requires too much gas and tech, so Gol's are the best solution ( cloaked wraiths are also an option but require alot of gas)
Terran requires higher APM than most other races in general...especially at lower levels. That's not a good way to compare. Flash lost because he expo'd too quickly and spread himself too thin. Jangbi played exceptionally well and abused the mobility of the carriers and pushed the mobility of the toss ground army to its limits. He played the map to the extreme. Desti has too much open space to be truly carrier imba...it's no Katrina.
You get better results a-moving gols against carriers than you do carriers against gols. Gol micro is more forgiving. And seriously...you need to play against better opponents if that is the case.
spoiler whoa flash really got stomped today...when he destroyed the left side and there where only 3 carriers i thought he had it but man....jangbi is back ! i hope he returns to his former self after this confidence boost today
I hate being able to almost know for sure protoss will win when he goes carriers pvt Terran doesn't have any similar unit against protoss. toss has arbiters and carriers
It's not hard, but is a lot harder than a-moving goliaths...and a lot more APM intensive. It also limits your multitasking. In addition, carriers cost a LOT of money and take FOREVER to build. Flash lost because Jangbi outplayed him with a carefully prepared build order. Flash did NOT lose because of some game imbalance you're making up. Get over your terran fanboyism and watch the game.
you basically have to go gol tank vult against any toss if it gets to be t3 (carriers or arbiters) but flash does have a unique style, it involves a quick third and two armories for a quick +2/+1 to melt mass units with tanks or interceptors with goliaths. fact is that terran just doesn't have a whole ton of units at their disposal, but what they have is very, very good, so terran will seem predictable, but that doesn't make them easy to stop.
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hey isnt it that mass valks> mass carriers?? why won't they use them?? just starting with starcraft, i just wanna know
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These games vs Flash are sick, sick, sick!
First stork vs flash was so wild all I saw was units exploding and recalls for about 20 minutes and now this x.x
I already watched a game where flash was owned with carrier only...
It was Bisu against him if i'm not wrong..
Flash is really changing style recently
from 2 base 5 fact timing push
to 2 base, expand, and push
and now he seems to just get to even 4 or 5 bases before he even comes out
that IMO is what gives the toss plenty of time to chose any tech
I don't know if Jangbi is quite back to his top form. I mean, he made a few critical errors towards the end there that would have let Flash back into the game if Jangbi hadn't been so far ahead already.
Man, that was fun. I miss watching Carrier battles like that. So much action!
Actually, all decent players micro their carriers with the patrol command, which requires a lot less effort than precise goliath micro. The real problem for terran is that interceptors have the same priority as ground units and carriers, so most of the time you have to paint them a target manually. That's hard to do in large-scale battles with 3++ ctrl groups of gols.
The quality of the vid is increasing...good :)
Intense game. Happy that Jangbi won, but sort of feel bad for flash, but glad that Jangbi is playing more like how he used to now.
I really didnt expect that flash would have lost. By the way why are there so many foreign fans here;;?
top class pros with carriers = way too dangerous. Carrier control was amazing, especially after destroying Flash's natural. Also, it wasn't just carriers. HT control was unbelievable, also. Jangbi, you and your carriers are awesome. No wonder why my carriers suck ass, after seeing your play.lol
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Amazing match, Flash went sooo much anti-air, and yet those Carriers couldn't be stopped. >_>
basically what made flash lose was jangbi's storms on the bridge when he took out an entire control group of tanks thats why flash lost in my opinion. plus jangbi's ability to abuse the ledges on destination. but i think if flash didnt lose that control group and basically 3/4 of his army on the bridge he could have protected his 4th i think it was when goons went in and took it out while carriers were in his natural
carriers not imba. theres a bunch of vod of flash owning carriers to the point that P stop going carriers vs Flash because they know they'll get own. Jangbi didnt win with just carriers. he juggle between ground army and use carriers to harrass flash economy. thats how Jangbi won. IT wasn't all Carriers that won him the game.
Wow! this looks like a very intense matchup.
You've never micro'd carriers against mass upgraded goliaths, have you?
It requires much higher APM to properly* control carriers against gols than the foil.
Gols have the option of targeting either the carrier or the interceptors...both of which are effective. Carriers need to be controlled so as to target one gol at a time while maintaining the farthest distance possible.
Go learn the game first.
they dont go ghost cause it requires too much gas and tech, so Gol's are the best solution ( cloaked wraiths are also an option but require alot of gas)
Jangbi is such a beast PvT it's insane
Terran requires higher APM than most other races in general...especially at lower levels. That's not a good way to compare.
Flash lost because he expo'd too quickly and spread himself too thin. Jangbi played exceptionally well and abused the mobility of the carriers and pushed the mobility of the toss ground army to its limits. He played the map to the extreme.
Desti has too much open space to be truly carrier imba...it's no Katrina.
nice upload
Jangbi's carrier control: press 0a98sf098asdufsalfkjads;f. Flash: Micro perfectly to keep from losing.
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Carriers can easily out micro valks and valks are extremely expensive. They're good against mutas
boxer used to...i dunno why, makes sense to lockdown. but theres probably a reason, they're pros.
Because they are too slow and it's hard to lockdown carriers when protoss micro well.
You get better results a-moving gols against carriers than you do carriers against gols. Gol micro is more forgiving.
And seriously...you need to play against better opponents if that is the case.
... unbelieveable.
terran has vessels, golaith and bc
spoiler
whoa flash really got stomped today...when he destroyed the left side and there where only 3 carriers i thought he had it but man....jangbi is back ! i hope he returns to his former self after this confidence boost today
I hate being able to almost know for sure protoss will win when he goes carriers pvt
Terran doesn't have any similar unit against protoss. toss has arbiters and carriers
You did a very good job of contradicting yourself...
i hate seeing flash lose... he always wins the games against n00bs (A+/A) but he cant quite seem to beat the S class pros.
It's not hard, but is a lot harder than a-moving goliaths...and a lot more APM intensive. It also limits your multitasking.
In addition, carriers cost a LOT of money and take FOREVER to build.
Flash lost because Jangbi outplayed him with a carefully prepared build order. Flash did NOT lose because of some game imbalance you're making up.
Get over your terran fanboyism and watch the game.
Ps are starting to counter the flash build :(
Bad day for Flash. But Jangbi earned this win.
you basically have to go gol tank vult against any toss if it gets to be t3 (carriers or arbiters) but flash does have a unique style, it involves a quick third and two armories for a quick +2/+1 to melt mass units with tanks or interceptors with goliaths.
fact is that terran just doesn't have a whole ton of units at their disposal, but what they have is very, very good, so terran will seem predictable, but that doesn't make them easy to stop.
Jangbi played well, but I hate seeing Flash loose twice :/ GG ^^
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Dude, mass goliath rapes carriers if you don't micro properly.
Jangbi is back!!
i'm always like carriers = imba and you'r'all like thumbs down watch flash thumbs down and so there you go
excessive macro, i think
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take it easy
it was a lol imba toss joke
LOL @ a D player making any kind of commentary
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too aggressive
yah...ur a D player
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