Could you compare the Saucony Ride 17 to the New Balance 860v14? Don't worry about the 860 being classified as a mild stability shoe. It actually runs like a really good neutral daily trainer which happens to have excellent stability. These 2 shoes are 2 of the best extremely versatile running shoes. There is also a new Saucony Ride TR2 GTX which is a road to trail shoe based on the Ride 17 that I wish someone would review online. Sometimes when they add goretex waterproof upper, the fit becomes tighter and you need to size up a half size.
Interesting. Honestly chances of me reviewing the NB 860v14 are not likely at this point, just have too many shoes to test/review and not enough money in the budget to buy something else. I am seeing more and more folks talk about "stability shoes" feeling better than they did back in the day. I think the way companies are viewing them has changed. More and more it is about assisting/guiding you forward and less about forcing you to have the perfect foot strike.
Such a great shoe. I did not pick up the 21 just because at the time I wanted to try something different. But it is definitely a great shoe. Really curious about the triumph 22
Asics have really nailed the heel lockdowns. Both the Nimbus 25 and the Novablast 3 have bullet proof heel lockdowns. Where the Saucony Speed has been very problematic. Due to heel issues with all versions of the Endo Speed, I haven't tried the Triumph. I also don't like an extreme stout heel cup that has no inner padding. Which both the Speed and Boston 12 suffer from. I also felt that the Nimbus had more speed range than expected, so it could handle strides. But as I got past 500km I found it has started to crash in on the medial side. Given my recent high mileage, I'm not ready to blame the shoe 100%, but I suspect it won't get past 700km for me. And given I have 2 pairs of Novablast V3...I might just retire the Nimbus regardless since the NB V3 does "everything" for me!
Nimbus was a great shoe. I’m thinking if I decide to go back to another ASICS it will likely be the Novablast 4. High stack of f blast + eco foam. Sounds kinda like a nimbus in a lighter package
@@WhatMatterstoMatt After doing a bit of research, it became clear that the NB V3 was a better option over the V4, for me. Mostly since I like my shoes to have better range of pace. Since alot of my runs can have wildly different pace sections. But you can't go wrong with the NB V4. I'm just forcing myself to not buy a pair of Superblast...but I suspect that the Superblast V2 will be EXTREMELY difficult to stop myself.
@@timtrenholm3698 yep it will be incredibly difficult to not buy the Superblast v2. Wondering how much ASICS will push that shoe. The Superblast seemed to just gain momentum in popularity over time. Could be the “ultimate” marathon training shoe
@@WhatMatterstoMatt By time the summer is over, and the Edge/Sky Paris are ripping up podium finishes, and they drop the Superblast V2 with the same foam....don't wait, grab it when you can, cause it's gonna be out of stock constantly.
Thanks for this video. Had to retire my Triumph 20 Runshield after 600 miles, which given my terrible gait, is very good. Excellent value for money if you can get them on discount. Bought Triumph RFG to replace them, same ride but lack some pops vs the traditional Triumph. Very curious to see the new Triumph 22 that will come out in a few months with apparently an upgraded foam.
Thanks 🙏 I can’t wait for the triumph 22. They are using the same foam as in their endorphin line but I am hearing that it has been tweaked a bit. So I’m really curious about what sorta impact that will have on a shoe that is already pretty good
I have retired 4 pairs of the Nimbus 25 at 280miles as was noticing extra joint pain around that distance but i am 100kg... Now that i just got Prime X Strung 2 I might try unretiring them. Triumph is way more fun but i couldn't do more than 2 runs in a row with them or more than 16km without being in pain vs months of no days off in the N25
As runners we are all different. If I go for a run in a shoe that I think is towards the end of its life and I notice a little bit more joint pain than usual, I make a mental note, try different shoes for a few runs and then go back to that shoe. If I get the same problem I make a decision on whether it is time to retire the shoe or not.
Yeah I did and I should also say I'm 39yo, 100kg down from 112kg and 6'1. First two runs in the Prime X Strung 2 and I feel the same about them as N25 when I first tried them. Selling my everything I have that's decent to get another pair: 2 pairs of N25 and T20 and Puma Magnify Nitro 2 (feel ok during the run but lots of pain after).
I'm a road runner with as 23 BMI so I'm harder on shoes, but have always viewed shoes as having a bell shaped curve, you build up to the sweet spot (zone) but once they peak, I'll stick with the shoe for maybe another 25 miles tops on the other side - just to confirm that shoe has hit its plateau. You know when a shoe's peaked for you - right? I'm interested in your mental process to stick with a shoe you know is on the decline (has seen better days)....but you hold on knowing you can manage another x miles out of them safely...so you do, right? I stopped doing that....and only wanting the ride for the upside. I usually only buy new old stock, shoes that have been out 2 years sharply discounted.
If we are talking the BMI chart I'm about 24.5. For me it can greatly depend on the shoe and what the purpose is for. One thing I mentioned in the video is that the Nimbus seemed to lose a bit of pop after just a few hundred km's. But remained pretty protective (all that foam) and since I was really using it for easy miles and recovery runs it was fine. Also, I notice some shoes as they lose some of their bounce and support over time and very gradually, I tend to notice it less. There has been a few times where I ran in a brand new pair of the exact same shoe I have plenty of miles in and am surprised by the difference. Ultimately, if I like running in a shoe and have no real reason to change it, I just keep using it, but it varies greatly from shoe to shoe.
Mmm, I'm not too sure after reading the first reviews. I love my 21's. I tried the Nimbus 25 but had to retire them after three runs. The souls of my feet were burning up in them and I'd get hamstring cramping after 3 - 4 miles, mainly when going downhill.
Sorry to hear that the nimbus did not work out for you. Also, agree with early reviews on the Triumph makes me a little less excited about it. Not sure I will be picking it up now. If I do it would likely be more of a recovery shoe than a do it all daily trainer
Hellow, I tried the saocuny and it seems to be tight. So I don't know if I should pick a size I little bit bigger on saucony, Asics fits perfectly for my little finger. What do you suggest?
Could you compare the Saucony Ride 17 to the New Balance 860v14? Don't worry about the 860 being classified as a mild stability shoe. It actually runs like a really good neutral daily trainer which happens to have excellent stability. These 2 shoes are 2 of the best extremely versatile running shoes. There is also a new Saucony Ride TR2 GTX which is a road to trail shoe based on the Ride 17 that I wish someone would review online. Sometimes when they add goretex waterproof upper, the fit becomes tighter and you need to size up a half size.
Interesting. Honestly chances of me reviewing the NB 860v14 are not likely at this point, just have too many shoes to test/review and not enough money in the budget to buy something else. I am seeing more and more folks talk about "stability shoes" feeling better than they did back in the day. I think the way companies are viewing them has changed. More and more it is about assisting/guiding you forward and less about forcing you to have the perfect foot strike.
Thank you for your review, Matt...❤
Thanks for watching!!!!
It's so impressive that these two shoes looks so clean/new at 600 miles. My shoes look so beat up 200-300 in.
My triumph 21’s are my go to shoes. Love them
Such a great shoe. I did not pick up the 21 just because at the time I wanted to try something different. But it is definitely a great shoe. Really curious about the triumph 22
Asics have really nailed the heel lockdowns. Both the Nimbus 25 and the Novablast 3 have bullet proof heel lockdowns. Where the Saucony Speed has been very problematic. Due to heel issues with all versions of the Endo Speed, I haven't tried the Triumph. I also don't like an extreme stout heel cup that has no inner padding. Which both the Speed and Boston 12 suffer from.
I also felt that the Nimbus had more speed range than expected, so it could handle strides. But as I got past 500km I found it has started to crash in on the medial side. Given my recent high mileage, I'm not ready to blame the shoe 100%, but I suspect it won't get past 700km for me. And given I have 2 pairs of Novablast V3...I might just retire the Nimbus regardless since the NB V3 does "everything" for me!
Nimbus was a great shoe. I’m thinking if I decide to go back to another ASICS it will likely be the Novablast 4. High stack of f blast + eco foam. Sounds kinda like a nimbus in a lighter package
@@WhatMatterstoMatt After doing a bit of research, it became clear that the NB V3 was a better option over the V4, for me. Mostly since I like my shoes to have better range of pace. Since alot of my runs can have wildly different pace sections. But you can't go wrong with the NB V4. I'm just forcing myself to not buy a pair of Superblast...but I suspect that the Superblast V2 will be EXTREMELY difficult to stop myself.
@@timtrenholm3698 yep it will be incredibly difficult to not buy the Superblast v2. Wondering how much ASICS will push that shoe. The Superblast seemed to just gain momentum in popularity over time. Could be the “ultimate” marathon training shoe
@@WhatMatterstoMatt By time the summer is over, and the Edge/Sky Paris are ripping up podium finishes, and they drop the Superblast V2 with the same foam....don't wait, grab it when you can, cause it's gonna be out of stock constantly.
@timtrenholm3698 agreed. Also, was really close to picking up one of the ASICS racing shoes. Just figure I’m probably not fast enough
I’m at 600 miles on Triumph 20. Midsole still feels great. Great shoe.
Absolutely agree!!!!
"... feels great".... until you put on a new pair XD
@@alexgreco748 yeah, it's lost enough cushion in the last couple weeks to push it into retired/emergency use
I still use it every once in a while but really only because I want to take a trip down memory lane
Thanks for this video. Had to retire my Triumph 20 Runshield after 600 miles, which given my terrible gait, is very good. Excellent value for money if you can get them on discount. Bought Triumph RFG to replace them, same ride but lack some pops vs the traditional Triumph. Very curious to see the new Triumph 22 that will come out in a few months with apparently an upgraded foam.
Thanks 🙏 I can’t wait for the triumph 22. They are using the same foam as in their endorphin line but I am hearing that it has been tweaked a bit. So I’m really curious about what sorta impact that will have on a shoe that is already pretty good
Saucony running shoes are underrated.
Overall I have had more success with Saucony than any other brand
@@WhatMatterstoMatt I wonder why they don’t sponsor top world runners. Maybe Asics Nike Adidas and Puma have taken all the rights.
@@WhatMatterstoMattpro 3 for the marathon?
I have the adios pro 3 and the endorphin pro 3 and am a bit undecided but leaning towards the endorphin pro 3
@@WhatMatterstoMatt I love my Endo. Pro 3. I would like to try the Adios pro 3 also. Never heard anything negative about them
Triumph for the win.
Still my all time favourite
@@WhatMatterstoMatt Indeed. I heard the 21 is even better.
I would pick the saucony triumph 20.
Such a great shoe that is surprisingly versatile
I have retired 4 pairs of the Nimbus 25 at 280miles as was noticing extra joint pain around that distance but i am 100kg... Now that i just got Prime X Strung 2 I might try unretiring them. Triumph is way more fun but i couldn't do more than 2 runs in a row with them or more than 16km without being in pain vs months of no days off in the N25
As runners we are all different. If I go for a run in a shoe that I think is towards the end of its life and I notice a little bit more joint pain than usual, I make a mental note, try different shoes for a few runs and then go back to that shoe. If I get the same problem I make a decision on whether it is time to retire the shoe or not.
Yeah I did and I should also say I'm 39yo, 100kg down from 112kg and 6'1. First two runs in the Prime X Strung 2 and I feel the same about them as N25 when I first tried them. Selling my everything I have that's decent to get another pair: 2 pairs of N25 and T20 and Puma Magnify Nitro 2 (feel ok during the run but lots of pain after).
I'm a road runner with as 23 BMI so I'm harder on shoes, but have always viewed shoes as having a bell shaped curve, you build up to the sweet spot (zone) but once they peak, I'll stick with the shoe for maybe another 25 miles tops on the other side - just to confirm that shoe has hit its plateau. You know when a shoe's peaked for you - right? I'm interested in your mental process to stick with a shoe you know is on the decline (has seen better days)....but you hold on knowing you can manage another x miles out of them safely...so you do, right? I stopped doing that....and only wanting the ride for the upside. I usually only buy new old stock, shoes that have been out 2 years sharply discounted.
If we are talking the BMI chart I'm about 24.5. For me it can greatly depend on the shoe and what the purpose is for. One thing I mentioned in the video is that the Nimbus seemed to lose a bit of pop after just a few hundred km's. But remained pretty protective (all that foam) and since I was really using it for easy miles and recovery runs it was fine. Also, I notice some shoes as they lose some of their bounce and support over time and very gradually, I tend to notice it less. There has been a few times where I ran in a brand new pair of the exact same shoe I have plenty of miles in and am surprised by the difference. Ultimately, if I like running in a shoe and have no real reason to change it, I just keep using it, but it varies greatly from shoe to shoe.
10mm drop is too much
It’s interesting. The drop on the triumph never seemed to bother me. But generally I don’t seem to be too sensitive to changes in drop
We are going to love the triumph 22 😊
Can't wait for it. Really curious to see how the Pwrrun PB turns out. If they do it right it should be a fun shoe to log lots of miles in.
Mmm, I'm not too sure after reading the first reviews. I love my 21's.
I tried the Nimbus 25 but had to retire them after three runs. The souls of my feet were burning up in them and I'd get hamstring cramping after 3 - 4 miles, mainly when going downhill.
@@djgibby1301 yep, it was not what i expected to be. They did change the whole shoe to a different shoe this time 🧐
Sorry to hear that the nimbus did not work out for you. Also, agree with early reviews on the Triumph makes me a little less excited about it. Not sure I will be picking it up now. If I do it would likely be more of a recovery shoe than a do it all daily trainer
Hellow, I tried the saocuny and it seems to be tight. So I don't know if I should pick a size I little bit bigger on saucony, Asics fits perfectly for my little finger. What do you suggest?
That triumph is cheaper so I want it