Someone once said, "when Helmut gives you just a few races to save your seat, you're already gone." Or words to that effect. Basically I think Nyck is done. I reckon he's probably going to be moved to the factory or he'll go racing elsewhere. Either way, I think it's done for him. I kinda feel for him and kinda don't. He's not a rookie, as he himself liked to say. I think racing is like boxing. In boxing there's a term "styles make fights" some fighting styles work for some fights, not so much others and if you don't have the adaptability to overcome that, you'll come up short. I don't think Dani lost all of his skill, I just don't think he could adapt to McLaren, I think similar is happening with Nyck, unfortunate but it is what it is, maybe Lawson or Iwasa will be able to do a better job, time will tell.
It doesn’t help that Nyck isn’t exactly young anymore, he’s older than people like Charles, Max, and Tsunoda, while showing less potential, with his performances there’s no way he keeps his seat.
I completely agree with you, and that's why drivers like Fernando to me are special. He can adapt his driving style to the strengths of any car given to him and make the car finish in positions it's not even supposed to.
And ur right about Danny Ric being unable to adapt to the Mclaren, it just doesn't have the same front end stability that Danny prefers like in a Red Bull or even Renault when he was driving for them. He was not as confident under braking like he was in his previous teams.
I also don’t think Helmut was out of line at all. As a 20 year Army veteran, I understand the utility of negative reinforcement…it’s not always a bad thing, especially when constant hand holding and ‘affirming’ (ie positive reinforcement) isn’t working. They aren’t a charity. They put a lot of faith in De Vries and he isn’t delivering. What do some people expect?
Nyck has been the architect of his own demise, I think he could have been a standout at Williams, but he went to AT. At the beginning of the season he said he didn’t want to be considered a rookie. He’s been stacking the deck against himself, maybe not on purpose, but he is.
I hope we will see Liam Lawson in F1 car next season. Regarding his F2 time you could come to the idea that there were supernatural forces that just didn’t want him to win title. The amount of bad luck he had, technical failures, collisions he didn’t cause etc. And let’s not forget him winning DTM title, they robbed him of. This made the Abu Dhabi controversy look comparatively harmless. I can’t imagine RedBull throwing their junior concept overboard, choosing Ricciardo, who himself always says he wants a winning car
There's no reason to expect Lawson to outperform De Vries at this point. De Vries is an older, more experienced driver who's proven himself with more trophies in more different cars than Lawson has. Of course what happened to Lawson in DTM was a travesty, but history tends to remember trophies over robberies.
@@smokeybandit9760 changing management and sponsors does not automatically mean changing their junior concept. Yesterday Liam Lawson drove a Ford supercar around the RedBull Ring. That’s definitely no coincidence but a very crucial sign that he is part of RedBull Ford's future.
I feel for De Vries. Beats Latifi in 2019, Latifi buys what should’ve been his seat and holds it for 3 years, De Vries jumps in and beats him at Monza, now looking like De Vries will have a career 6x as short. Must hurt to FINALLY get your dream and have it go so wrong. But he did big himself up as a more experienced hand than a rookie and aimed big with AT and it’s backfired. If he was a Redbull junior I’d absolutely be saying to give him more time, but that’s not what he is or was signed up to be. He’s not delivered and will have to go
He is fired. And why do you feel for him better have talented driver's on the grid and not a one trick pony. Luckily he is fired now and Daniel is taking over. The best sport's news of the day is that he is fired
Nyck De Vries feels like a new Brandon Hartley. A former junior passed on by the big teams. Make no mistake. De Vries got passed on by McLaren and parked by Mercedes in Formula E for good reason. He just isn't good enough and it pains me to say it.
The thing is, he's not a kid like Sergeant and Zhou, he's a double Champ, 28 years old and near his skill ceiling. Yuki is getting points, Nyck should have double of that since he has double or triple the experience.
Given a real shot Nyck would be a better driver than Yuki by season 2. It´s hilarious to see everyone fail to understand this so badly. Tsunoda is properly bad but they let him crash because he is Japanese. This is the only difference. Tsunoda can hunt those thousands of a second while crashing the car. Nyck had to be perfect from the get go and even then he was never going to keep that seat. It´s funny to see how dumb the F1 fans are though.
its funny how some people were saying how Nyck would absolutely destroy Tsunoda and beat him so hard that it would make AT drop Tsunoda and replace him with another new driver. Would love to see the opinion of those people right now
i expected that, but yuki really gave his best this season, and frankly nyck seemed before this season to be at least on the level of haas drivers, someone who maybe won't be on the level of the top6 teams, or albon, but a guy who could be at least on par with kmag, hulk, or yuki. this year showed that tsunoda is actually pretty good, and nyck can't deal with the pressure. Maybe if he've gotten into f1 as a teammate of russel in 2019, when he was after good f2 season, and everyone treated him as a rookie, he would be up there now as a solid mid table driver, but it didn't happen, he was chosen as an experienced driver, by a team that wanted immediate results, and when he couldn't deliver he was just crushed by the pressure, realisation of own disability, and lack of mazepin/latifi/mick on the track who would at least partially take some media attacks. This year's drivers were just too good, and when even young logan isn't spinning around like a mad man, there is no one for nyck to hide behind
@@superkubus-nk8lbif you didn’t judge a driver’s skill by their charisma and by their actual pace, you would understand Yuki was legit from race 1. He’s obviously no Verstappen and had many flaws, but there is no denying his raw race pace was there from day 1. Yuki had only one season in F3 and one season in F2 before going straight into F1 where he had multiple point finishes as high as P4. A common comparison is Zhou and Tsunoda. Yuki performed much better than Zhou in their first seasons, but nobody seems to realize this largely because Zhou is a likeable guy while Yuki was/is incredibly immature and hotheaded.
@williamcurtin1036 I agree to a point. Yuki showed great pase but with errors which is fine in my opinion because just like max you have the pace, but by imola last year he fell off a cliff and that is why so many people discredit his abilities. It's good to see he's kicked it up a gear this season. Zhou hasn't had any major dips and has performed commendably against a decent driver in bottas.
@@Dinkleburggg it isn't that i don't think yuki is fast, he is just very inconsistent, and he made a good performance jump this year. Logic behind backing nyck was that he seemed to be a safe , and consistent option, yuki would beat him on his day, but nyck was supposed to edge him just by making less mistakes, and gathering safe points throughout the season. And this didn't happen, despite great amount of experience in all kinds of different cars
To be fair, Tsunoda is probably one of the least impressive drivers on the current F1 grid. De Vries has to beat him handsomely if he wants to have a future in F1. After all, Red Bull are only interested in a new Verstappen. So far, De Vries has been beaten handsomely by Tsunoda, which suggests he is not good enough. Maybe if he gets more time he will be able to match Tsunoda, but I think that's about his ceiling. I'd say at the moment the drivers are letting Alpha Tauri down, not so much the car.
I feel for the guy. Finally makes it into F1 as so many dream of but what he has to deal with is on the opposite side of ideal. This is going to hurt and a massive mental blow.
The biggest "problem" with the red bull approach is that it is designed to generate driver turnover. Gasly wrote an article for The Players' Tribune and described how a crash in testing was enough to make it feel like the team turned on him. And even when he won at monza, he knew RB would never take him back and was reminded of that constantly. If anything, they wanted him gone so they could put the next potential max verstappen in the seat. Nyck can't save his seat. He's done at AT. He might see out the year, but at this point the team has already turned their back on him. Any more races are just time spent making a decision.
As bad as it is for the drivers, it's absolutely effective. Max wouldn't be where he is now, without that driver management. If success is the most important goal, this approach is the right one.
It led Ricciardo and Vettel to their career highs, you just have to be one step above the rest to get that treatment. Redbull is looking for the absolute best drivers, this is a damn good way to find them. The ones that are adaptable enough to be fast right from the start are really what they’re looking for. They aren’t looking for decent drivers, they’re looking for the next Vettel, Verstappen, Hamilton, or Alonso, if they aren’t champion worthy, they’re worthless in the Redbull model.
@@Besitzerstolz Eh.....It's effective at finding one driver, but as RB themselves will admit, they run into issues trying to keep drivers after a certain point. And given that LeClerc, Hamilton, Norris, and more didn't have to go through the RB meat grinder to be identified as franchise drivers suggests it isn't the "one and only" way, just one way of doing things. It's why they're looking into ways to sell off/deal with AT. I think it's what they need to do at this point - they've been able to seed the junior categories and even F1 itself with enough quality drivers they don't need AT to be a holding pen that looks empty when they don't have their own juniors in it. Having two non-RB drivers in the 4-driver lineup is kinda telling that there are some issues in the pipeline they currently have.
@@Besitzerstolz It is not effective, wtf? Verstappen would still be where he is because of his 10,000+ hours behind a wheel since the age of 3. It has nothing to do with the team's approach and is exclusively short-sighted that will bite them in the ass for however many future champions they refuse to cultivate or turnover in their effort to find the one miracle child. Working 1 out of 15 times is not a good average, let alone a statistically "effective" one.
Nyck is a nice guy and i really like that he's finally in F1 but his debut really overhyped him as a driver. Maybe the Williams or Monza suited him better then the Alpha Tauri so far this season. Yes it's a dog but Yuki is running away with the team so far. It reminds me of Schumacher last yr. I liked him. I was sad he left and hope he returns. But the difference here is i won't care if Nyck doesn't come back. Also the ' Ricciardo returning if Nyck get dropped ' isnt helping his cause. Silverstone is the make or break for Riccardo due to the testing. I think Lawson is a more liable option as he's younger but Ricciardo is Ricciardo. Fast, very experienced and always similing which is something the team rlly needs right now. I just hope Nyck has succes in wotever motorsport he goes on to race in and the remaining seat to go to Ricciardo for the remaining races and if he does a good job he can stay next yr and if he doesn't Lawson gets it next yr and see how that goes. Great vid.
a) Mick at least had race pace to show. Besides his 2 big shunts, he beat KMag in races they finished, and the kid can actually drive. Yeah he has mediocre quali pace, but it was his first actual competitive season since the 2021 Haas was just a joke car and he dominated Mazepin who was not a good measure of Mick's skill. The team also fucked both drivers out of points many times (Zandvoort for example) and the car wasn't developed so it fell off a cliff on performance at the second half. He was just a rookie in a terrible environment that doesn't favor young driver development. b) Why would they take Ricciardo? They already have Lawson who's been showing great things at Super Formula, and Iwasa who's doing good at F2. AT/Toro Rosso is a team for driver development, and Ricciardo doesn't fit that. NDV got hired because he's a stop gap for their other talents who are/were too raw, and let's not pretend like these past 2 years haven't shown us that Ricciardo right now isn't dependable. The last thing he needs is to be beat by Yuki. That would end his career.
Not a nice guy at all Very egoistic thinking he’d own tsunoda from the first race. ‘Don’t want to be treated like a rookie’ mate rookies are doing much better than you are. He’s been humbled since Schumacher is crash prone but I’d rather him than someone who’s egoistic and then turns out to be the slowest driver on the field
@@TheImSolid Redbull have often suffered from early promotions. Yuki, Pierre and Alex prime examples. Since it's only half a season maybe redbull would want to test if keeping Riccardo is the correct choice.
@sadikurrahman4833 Go get to the top of a division in any sport and win a world championship, if you don’t end up with an ego after that, you’ve probably got a mental disorder. There’s no reason a multi time world champion shouldn’t think he’d beat someone right at the start of their career. He also isn’t considered a rookie anyway, so that comment also makes sense.
@@TheImSolid see, here's the problem. magnussen is currently getting destroyed by hulkenberg. how is that even possible? anyway, the same magnussen that is getting beaten tremendously by hulkenberg also beat mick with relative ease. why is the H2H an inaccurate indicator? because it's clear that haas was outdeveloped and their car on pure pace, could not finish in the points. knowing this, the only way to score any point was to take risky strategies. strategies that almost seem stupid.
Another big factor that is overlooked is just how hard the start of this year was for rookies, on street tracks one after the other, many of which they havn't race on before.With a few being wet on top of that. Nyck is in a very unfortunate situation with possible 1 of the hardest years for a rookie, in a car that is trickier than it looks. Yuki drived out of his skin for only a couple of points in that AT, with 3.5 years of experience in that car.
He's not really a Rookie though, he's 28, he's an FE champion. He's got far more experience in motorsports than Piastri and Sarge, yet he's worse than both.
From RB's perspective, De Vries is a driver outside their academy with a mixed bag junior career being compared to an in house driver (Lawson) who's not been out the top two of at least one series he's entered for every year of his career, so you can see where Marko's words come from. He certainly isn't a bad driver and deserves his F1 chance, but like Mick at Haas it just wasn't the right team to try it and his performance so far isn't helping.
De Vries is better than Schumacher. De Vries was never really in that seat. He makes 1 mistake and it´s over for him. Meanwhile Tsunoda flirts with the prospect of being the worst driver on the grid but it´s all fine for him because he is Japanese and Red Bull will do ANYTHING to make sure Verstappen keeps winning those WDCs.
@@SevenTheMisgiven Mick going to Ferrari academy was a mistake in itself. Even if Mick suceeded in hass and moved into ferrari, his career would be wasted on him like leclerc's career
Let’s be honest that Williams was perfect for Monza high speed/low downforce,,,and Albon had that date circled in Red knowing that was a huge chance to score points…and Nyck did a good job he had nothing to lose and maximized his opportunity… Nyck has shown zero flashes of talent ,,like nothing… either has Logan Sargeant at Williams
They may boot Nyck after the summer break while they get Dan to keep the seat warm for Lawson for next year. This will give Dan seat time to blow the cobwebs off, then he will jump into Checo's seat if Checo continues to mess up for the rest of the season and if he gets beaten by Alonso for P2 then that's curtains for him. That will be Dan's ticket back to RB in 2024. But yeah sadly Nyck is dead man walking at this point,such a shame as he's a nice guy.
Danny will never drive for RB again. Checo is good enough for what RB want at the moment, win the WCC. Max runs away with most points and Checo picks up enough to win the championship. Danny would throw a wrench into the system they have. If he is as good as Checo, there is no point in switching. If he is better and closer to Max, RB would have a problem in their hands trying to control both their drivers to avoid a 2016 Mercedes situation.
Called it 😎 that said I do feel sorry for Nyck he's undoing was the hype behind him being formula E and F2 champ, he wasn't treated like a rookie, him scoring that points for Williams didn't help either. Hopefully he can find a seat elsewhere.
This is Nyck getting a taste of the RB academy philosophy. RB is extreme in everything they do and thus their junior academy is set up that way. They apply extreme amounts of pressure to their juniors just to see who makes the cut. After all, RB is a top team (even when they go through lesser times) and to be at the top in F1 you need to be able to withstand extreme pressure. With Max it clearly worked and if there is a junior that shows a similar promise to Max', they will probably cut it and become champion with RB at some point in time or at least win races. The reasoning makes sense, but it just doesn't work for everyone. It seems Nyck is part of that group.
Putting Ricardo in the Alpha Tauri could do two things. First, it would give them an experienced driver's viewpoint. Second, it would send a message to Checo that he's got competition and if he doesn't play the good teammate someone else could take that seat
also sounded like journalists were trying to spark something up between kmag and nyck, but I think Kevin didnt want to add more onto Nyck and just said it is what it is
this pains me. i wanted him to do well in his 1st season as a F1. just not going to well atm. his semi debut was amazing. last min call to be a back up driver. came 10th amazing
Nyck is already a dead man walking, it's so evident since. A. Christian Horner & Franz Tost didn't want Nyck de Vries in the first place. B. There are multiple Red Bull juniors like Lawson and Iwasa impressing. C. He only beat Yuki twice on race H2H, and that's because Yuki had break failure in Monaco, and a horrible race in Austria. D. His consistent crashing like his 3 crashes in Baku, including one where he crashed into Tsunoda. And his horrible wheel to wheel combat when he crashed with Norris and Magnussen twice. E. He is freaking 28. He is older than Verstappen, Leclerc, Ocon, Russell, Albon, and even Latifi. He's not some young rookie like Logan Sargeant who's mistakes are more forgiveable, he should be the established product. Even if Nyck doesn't get fired after Belgium, he's gonna get fired after Abu Dhabi. He has no future in RBR, so there's no incentive to keep him.
I thought Franz Tost was pretty keen on Nyck, I swear I remember reading that after he was signed last year... perhaps I'm mistaken but I really feel like I remember seeing that
You can call Red Bull and Helmut cold and all, but he’s been trash. It’s a results business, we’re talking about the pinnacle of motorsports and there’s only 20 seats. You can’t perform that badly and be shocked if you’re shown the door.
Something that came to my mind: If Ricciardo impresses in the Pirelli test and RBR is seriously considering him for Perez's seat, he should be in that AT seat after the summer break. But I think the AT seat should be Lawson's for 2024
The AT is completely different from the RB and we saw how Ricciardo performed in a McLaren. It would again ruin his changes for the RB seat. Besides, he himself opted for a year out of racing.
And…. He’s out…… This driver swap is scary. Next up is Checo. Maybe Helmut Marko is trying to decide between Yuki and Danny to replace Checo. When one of them became Max’s teammate, Liam Lawson will fill in that AlphaTauri seat.
I think more what the vid said, Ric wouldn't accepted the AT seat if it's not a test to prove himself worthy of the RB seat. From this week forward will be the Battle of Checo vs Ricciardo for the 2nd seat at RB in '24
Marko is saying that because they need a spot for Danny Ric. And they need a spot for Danny Ric, because the Verstappens want him besides Max. So if Danny Ric can outperform Tsunoda that path is open. Then Max has the ideal teammate, and someone who keeps it light and fun. The last thing RB wants is Max leaving F1 early, because it's no longer fun to him.
I was really excited when AT announced Nyck but now seeing him underperforming and with Lawson being incredibly talented and my favorite Junior driver atm, I wouldn’t be too bothered if they drop him
As a NZer, the biggest concern about Lawson is definitely his qualifying pace. He's not that great in quali, and if he comes second in Super Formula, it will because he didn't get enough points from quali (I know its weird but SF gives out points for the top 3 in qualifying). However, his race pace and tyre management is probably the best among all the Red Bull juniors, even probably Yuki. He's definitely been the fastest driver in Super Formula this season and the only races he didn't finish in the podiums were not his fault. (bad strategy and bad safety car timings) Funnily enough being average at qualifying worked in his favour in F2, because he would qualify 4-10th usually, be flipped near the front of the grid in the sprints and pick up podiums (when typical F2 shenanigans didn't ruin his race), and having the race pace in the feature races to also pick up podiums. (Although he's weirdly good at Monaco qualifying).
Honestly I wonder if there would be any interest from Williams even as a reserve, he clearly can get something out of their car like Albon can at he right circuits.
@@phightinphil25 exactly. I’m thinking Williams, Alfa Romeo or even a Haas as a reserve…Reserve as the Aston would be a little stretch as they already have a good reserve…
@@AtaTabesh I think barring Bottas losing his seat, Pouchaire will be the reserve next season at Alfa Romeo. I doubt Pourchaire will do another season in F2 if he can't win this season.
I always feld that the rb family was not nyck's place at Williams he would probably do beter and kept his Mercedes ties , i hope Lawson gets a shot at f1 that kid has talent and seams to adapt easy to cars the way he jumped into dtm cars and was on the pace was great to see even in superformula he has shown good pace
I get the feeling something big is coming for AT, sold off or something different, in which case DR as a lead driver would make sense or even Cheko. It was always DM that kept Minardi in the family with his passing it is an asset, i think RB may see this as a time to sell it off while the market is hot for F1 teams on grid.
It’s his first f1 season people should be patient. Personally I like him, and we also saw his performance in the williams last year. He’s a great driver that deserves to be in f1. It’s not his fault he has a bad car and I bet Liam Lawson would have similar performances.
But he's 28. He doesn't have the time nor the potential upside of a young rookie. That's why they're not treating him as one. They didn't sign him to be the new guy starting out from scratch, they signed him to be a semi-veteran talent (and likely just a temporary one at that). The decision to replace him with Ricciardo makes it clear that Ricciardo was the driver they wanted at the beginning of the season, but Daniel didn't want that seat at that time.
Lol AT are not the worst car on the grid- that’s Alfa Romeo, it’s just that the drivers have maximized their results better Haas are even worse, cheese graters on wheels, and if they kept Mick instead of hiring Hulk, they would be on 2 points just like AT
You couldn’t have said it better. When Nick signed with AT, I only thought ‘no!’ Nick was already past his chance really, F2 took him years and FE, well… tombola. He’s not up there. But he would’ve done better and felt more proud at Williams, I feel
I can't see RB throwing Riccardo into an RB seat without recent race experience. Checo's irregular run might be pushing Marco into replacing Nyck mid season
The problem with Nyck goes beyond just his poor performance on track. He's 28 years old, he doesn't have the benefit of time or the potential upside of a young rookie. They don't have the luxury to give him a full year to figure out how to drive the car. That's why expectations for him are so high: he was given the seat to perform quickly, and he's just not doing that. The fact that the car is bad actually just exacerbates the problem, because he's clearly not helping all that much from a car development perspective. That's why replacing him with Ricciardo is a no-brainer. Alpha Tauri needed to make a change now, before it was too late, in order to best prepare for next season. Additionally, Ricciardo is more of a known veteran talent, which means that while the car is still so bad, they can better evaluate Yuki's performance by comparing him to what Daniel can do with the car. I suspect, especially since the driver change was made, that Daniel was their choice all along, but they couldn't talk him into taking the seat at the beginning of the season. More than likely, Red Bull will use the rest of this season to evaluate both Ricciardo and Tsunoda, and if Checo continues to underperform, one of those two could potentially get his seat next year. Edit: I absolutely agree with you that he should have stayed at Williams. There would have been far less pressure there, even with Albon performing well.
Going to AT can never be seen as an honest regret, insofar as questioning his decision-making. It was the right decision at the time, and we have no indication to believe Williams is going anywhere. It's just a matter of Nyck not being cut out for that role, he cannot capitalize on the opportunity he was given.
De Vries only earned a place in F1 with his drive at Williams. He did because it seemed he could just turn up and deliver; but this year he's shown he can't. He's already failed to deliver on the reason that Red Bull chose to put him in that Alpha Tauri over their own juniors. That's always going to put him on shaky ground. Nice guy, but that gets you no points in F1. I think DR is the more sensible and likely replacement for him when he goes. RB clearly don't rate Lawson that highly or they'd have given him an F1 drive already. Put DR in that seat and they can take a view on whether to promote him to RB next year and replace the mediocre driving of Sergio. Lawson can then get a full season run next year, perhaps alongside Iwasa, and whichever of them is worst can get replaced by Zane Maloney the year after.
Dan may not be able to get into an Alpha this year, as there maybe clauses in Dan's payout contract that he may not be able to " race " for another team this year as opposed to being a reserve driver, which would be a one off drive.
I am a die-hard Lewis and Mercedes fan, but the odd thing about Red Bull is how different it has become these last few years relative to its glory days with Seb. For instance, during Seb's WC winning years Mark Webber clearly underperformed Seb in three of those campaigns (especially in 2013), and yet his seat never in jeopardy in the same way as Gasly, Albon or even Sergio today. This may be just a mere coincidence, but it definitely seems that since 2016, Red Bull drivers cannot afford to have a bad patch. My guess is that when Red Bull found out it had stuck gold when they did it the first time with Kvyat (replacing him with Max), they believed they could easily repeat the same procedure over and over until they find another top driver to partner Max. However, and putting myself on a Red Bull driver's shoes, I can only imagine the crushing pressure it must be to partner Max (who basically buries every buries every teammate 10 feet under) and knowing that Red Bull's top brass hovers a Damocles's sword over your head. No wonder Max is given 100% priority and the other seat has been swapped around so often. I just hope Sergio finds his feet and avoids the hammer. He is a good driver overall (a few notches below Max, sure), very likable and I will never forget the fact that he chipped in when Force India went into administration back in 2018 to save many of the team's staff from unemployment.
I think NASCAR is the only racing league that veteran drivers can race in the lower series. F2 champions aren’t allowed back in F2, and AT is currently the lowest team. His only option is another racing series, because it’s very doubtful another team will pick him up.
Considering the state of the AT-04 with Yuki who is a 3 years veteran despite driving the car to the limit, only managed to extract 2 points out of it. De Vries would even be lucky to get any point this season. Doesn’t matter who drive the car Lawson or Ricciardo. At this point they better change the fucking car.
I feel the same happened with Scott Speed, Jean-Éric Vergne and Daniil Kvyat. They all had soo much potential however just Toro Rosso was never a good fit.
All Redbull seems to want are championship caliber drivers. They want another Hamilton, Alonso, or Verstappen, not a Devries or Schumacher, who are good drivers in their own light, just not compared to the best of the best.
Not enough people remember Nyck's dominance in F2, FE, and LMP2. The man is an incredibly talented driver and easily deserves to be in F1. These new guys don't have the time to test the car IRL and really grow into being F1 drivers outside of races. How many great young drivers are going to get criticised and pressured out of the sport before we admit there's a problem? I'm old enough to remember when everyone was giving Yuki Tsunoda this treatment.
I feel like most RB driver swaps are RB for AT when it’s mid season. If an AT driver is at risk usually they let them go till at least very close to the end of the year. Not saying it’s impossible, but also not as big a chance as a lot of people seem to think
That comment from K-Mag about De Vries driving like a man whose career is under pressure is ironic since him and Hulk could be facing competition from Ferrari-backed Oliver Bearman for one of their seats.
This could be either a good plan or a horriblely bad one, give Danny Ric the seat and FP1 outings (including the Silverstone tyre tet in the RB19) and time in the sim to get up to speed on the RB car and stick him in the AT for the rest of the season and if Lawson keeps perfomring like he is in Super Formula, give him the seat for AT in '24 and Danny Ric a RB drive for '24. It makes sense to me for both parties involved since RB know how to set up a car for Danny Ric and it gives Lawson the much needed time in F1 to show if he can transfer his talent into F1 and score points on the regular consistently and just be Alonso basically because that AT next season probably won't be any better than it is right now
Why would Danny Ric want to go to AT, straight to the back of the grid (he's not going to get much better results than Yuki in that car)? Especially since his departure from the equally abysmal - for his driving style particularly - McLaren virtually wrecked his career, if only in his head. He _needs_ to be in a better car straight away or else his career really is over. So basically I can't see why he'd want to replace Nyck in the AT for the second half of the season. That car isn't going to get much better by then. Frankly, I can't see that car doing _anyone's_ career any good. Yuki is having a lot of bad luck (though Austria saw the return of his hot head, sadly), but because he's got so much experience in that car, he's the only person in a position to get the most out of it. Bringing in a rookie - even more of a rookie than Nyck - (or pretty much anyone on the grid!) would be as good for him as Haas was in the rookie year of Mick Schumacher and... whatever his name was ;). In other words, disastrous!
Personally, Helmut’s comments would not be news to Nyck as they will have been said in private long ago. So airing them in response to a direct question is fair enough.
It's a typical Helmut/RBR move. A driver doesn't meet expectations, and tbh Nyck hasn't come close, so they hammer him in the media making sure to crush what little confidence he may have left.
What makes the most sense to me is: Ricciardo to AT and depending on the result to replace Checo or definitely out. Calling Lawson mid-season has little value to either AT or RB.
Feeling sorry for nyck devries. Anyways I just came to say that you were right about mclaren. They did make a great comeback. The comeback that I even I didn’t expect.
I completely disagree with your take in this video. Marko is perfectly fine to make those comments, this is not some office setting where good relationships need to be built, it's one of the most high pressure sports in existence where only 20 seats are available and the amount of "real" driving (racing) you do in a year is a few dozens of hours so yes, if you do not perform you are out, that is the game, it is not a children's playground where you have to be nice to everyone.
On one hand I agree with the rest of the video, but on the other I disagree with the initial statement of it being unnecessary to say what Marko said. however, NDV being questioned live about the subject matter.. that's entirely unnecessary and fishing for a negative reaction. what he said can be looked at from a different point of view, Marko believed in NDV, which isn't a common thing for Marko. he stuck his neck out and is getting burned for it as NDV really isn't performing as well as Marko petitioned for him internally. There isn't a lie in his statement, NDV really isn't doing what he needs to be doing and Horner was right to not want him in the team. Im a believer of the first year being a wash for every rookie, but man NDV is really making it hard to actually want to keep him on for another year. honestly, between LS and NDV, i think Williams is also better off with LS and not picking up NDV was a bullet dodged financially.
Red Bull need to reflect on how good or bad they are at developing drivers and getting the best out of them. It's easy to mouth off and make them perform worse. But it's the kind of behaviour that in time will (A) lose team championships in close season (B) lose a super-star in the making. Albon is showing more than Red Bull was capable of getting from him. Does Marko & Horner ever wonder why that may be?
@@lord.liberty sure, a good manager would adapt to the individual. Even the distinction on "early Riccardo" raises a question on him wanting away against their wishes
Now I laugh when I remember the people saying last year that de Vries was on the same tier as Albon, maybe he could be better, blah, blah. Albon debuted with less testing and was trading blows with Kvyat since the beginning. De Vries might have a car that is not good enough to fight for points, but still has a teammate. Anyway, he got his chance and at least can say: "I was a Formula 1 driver".
If anything, Id say that they should move places with Ricciardo, have Nyck fulfil a Third Driver role with Red Bull and have the second car of AT being used by both De Vries and Ricciardo, ultimately giving the seat to whomever performs better. That being said, I do think that Nyck deserves more time. Pulling a Rookie completely out of F1 in his first handful of races is not a good look. Especially when the team is due for a complete and total overhaul next year. Also, Lawson isnt ready as far as Im concerned. Putting him in there now would be disasterous at the moment. If someone does step in for Nyck, I believe Lawson should also be used as a reserve driver and used for Practices and the like.
I agree for someone who's won F2 and FE, and have stelar performance in Monza in a William deserve a chance to prove himself in F1. Nyck already got that chance and fail to capitalize. Yes he had the worst car on the grid right now, but he also has his teammate that consistently beat him. Seeing how well Lawson do in super formula this season i think the decision have been made, and Marco's comment just a sign that the writting already on the wall.
It might well be that both Yuki and Nyck are unable to extract the full potential from the car. Seeing them so high up in qualifying in mixed conditions like last weekend in Austria, that is an obvious sign that the car isn't as bad as it looks. There are advantages for AT and Red Bull to have an experienced driver like Daniel at the wheel for proper feedback and a good direction for the development of next years car. It might well be that Daniel is able to extract more from the car and thus get some much needed points in the remaining races.
@@samsea0489 Who are we to say? We see the difference Alonso makes vs Stroll compared to Vettel vs Stroll. Who's to say the AlphaTauri wouldn't be much higher up with Alonso in it?
@@unthenner5519 such an unpopular opinion but i believe that with nyck as tsunoda's performance comparison, it heavily flatters how good tsunoda really is. putting daniel in the car will really paint a much needed picture for RB to determine how good yuki really is and whether or not daniel has still got it.
I think part of the reason why they want to replace De Vries is that they need a better benchmark for Yuki. De Vries is not a very good reference right now. I don't think Marko really care that much about De Vries' career. They need a proven driver to tell them if it's really the car, or the drivers problem.
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Let's be honest, his future is already decided. They are just waiting for the summer pause to announce it.
He had a false start with Williams Monza debut that williams had good straight line speed and easier to defend
I predict Devries and Yuki both fired in the summer break, replaced with Danny and Lawson
@@The_MostHigh Big man, you're high if you think they're dropping yuki for Lawson
Let’s be honest. Everybody (except me) in the comments was on Devries’ bandwagon after Monza.
I hope if they plan to cut him this season they at least let him race at Zandvoort.
Someone once said, "when Helmut gives you just a few races to save your seat, you're already gone." Or words to that effect. Basically I think Nyck is done. I reckon he's probably going to be moved to the factory or he'll go racing elsewhere. Either way, I think it's done for him.
I kinda feel for him and kinda don't. He's not a rookie, as he himself liked to say. I think racing is like boxing. In boxing there's a term "styles make fights" some fighting styles work for some fights, not so much others and if you don't have the adaptability to overcome that, you'll come up short. I don't think Dani lost all of his skill, I just don't think he could adapt to McLaren, I think similar is happening with Nyck, unfortunate but it is what it is, maybe Lawson or Iwasa will be able to do a better job, time will tell.
It doesn’t help that Nyck isn’t exactly young anymore, he’s older than people like Charles, Max, and Tsunoda, while showing less potential, with his performances there’s no way he keeps his seat.
I completely agree with you, and that's why drivers like Fernando to me are special. He can adapt his driving style to the strengths of any car given to him and make the car finish in positions it's not even supposed to.
And ur right about Danny Ric being unable to adapt to the Mclaren, it just doesn't have the same front end stability that Danny prefers like in a Red Bull or even Renault when he was driving for them. He was not as confident under braking like he was in his previous teams.
@@matevo7745Alonso is so good to the point that he can burn the bridges all he want and teams still get back to him.
I also don’t think Helmut was out of line at all. As a 20 year Army veteran, I understand the utility of negative reinforcement…it’s not always a bad thing, especially when constant hand holding and ‘affirming’ (ie positive reinforcement) isn’t working.
They aren’t a charity. They put a lot of faith in De Vries and he isn’t delivering. What do some people expect?
Nyck has been the architect of his own demise, I think he could have been a standout at Williams, but he went to AT. At the beginning of the season he said he didn’t want to be considered a rookie. He’s been stacking the deck against himself, maybe not on purpose, but he is.
I hope we will see Liam Lawson in F1 car next season. Regarding his F2 time you could come to the idea that there were supernatural forces that just didn’t want him to win title. The amount of bad luck he had, technical failures, collisions he didn’t cause etc. And let’s not forget him winning DTM title, they robbed him of. This made the Abu Dhabi controversy look comparatively harmless. I can’t imagine RedBull throwing their junior concept overboard, choosing Ricciardo, who himself always says he wants a winning car
Tbf they are rebranding the team for next year and could get of the whole junior team concept altogether to go with a more experienced lineup
There's no reason to expect Lawson to outperform De Vries at this point. De Vries is an older, more experienced driver who's proven himself with more trophies in more different cars than Lawson has. Of course what happened to Lawson in DTM was a travesty, but history tends to remember trophies over robberies.
@@smokeybandit9760 changing management and sponsors does not automatically mean changing their junior concept. Yesterday Liam Lawson drove a Ford supercar around the RedBull Ring. That’s definitely no coincidence but a very crucial sign that he is part of RedBull Ford's future.
Agreed...it's disgusting what Kevin van de linde got away with and how merc gave gotz the win so hope he really gets proper redemption
He will never be there.
I feel for De Vries. Beats Latifi in 2019, Latifi buys what should’ve been his seat and holds it for 3 years, De Vries jumps in and beats him at Monza, now looking like De Vries will have a career 6x as short. Must hurt to FINALLY get your dream and have it go so wrong.
But he did big himself up as a more experienced hand than a rookie and aimed big with AT and it’s backfired. If he was a Redbull junior I’d absolutely be saying to give him more time, but that’s not what he is or was signed up to be. He’s not delivered and will have to go
Agreed!
He is fired. And why do you feel for him better have talented driver's on the grid and not a one trick pony. Luckily he is fired now and Daniel is taking over. The best sport's news of the day is that he is fired
Nyck De Vries feels like a new Brandon Hartley. A former junior passed on by the big teams. Make no mistake. De Vries got passed on by McLaren and parked by Mercedes in Formula E for good reason. He just isn't good enough and it pains me to say it.
*Brendon
Except that Hartley is a beast outside of F1
@@Randomvideos-zi7pe Same as Nyck. He has two championships in FE for good reason.
It's awkward to have De Vries in AT as well. I can't help but feel the game was rigged from the start.
Neither is Tsunoda. Probably the driver with the most incidents of the past 2 decades. He is just lucky Honda is a racist company.
The thing is, he's not a kid like Sergeant and Zhou, he's a double Champ, 28 years old and near his skill ceiling.
Yuki is getting points, Nyck should have double of that since he has double or triple the experience.
No-one is getting points at AT
Different categories, dont see why he has to be outscoring Yuki in less than half a season
@@radekotczyk4605Except Yuki has two points and a few 11th places and Nicks nowhere near points 🤷
@@billmolloy4053yeah Yuki got a bunch of p11
Given a real shot Nyck would be a better driver than Yuki by season 2. It´s hilarious to see everyone fail to understand this so badly. Tsunoda is properly bad but they let him crash because he is Japanese. This is the only difference. Tsunoda can hunt those thousands of a second while crashing the car. Nyck had to be perfect from the get go and even then he was never going to keep that seat.
It´s funny to see how dumb the F1 fans are though.
its funny how some people were saying how Nyck would absolutely destroy Tsunoda and beat him so hard that it would make AT drop Tsunoda and replace him with another new driver. Would love to see the opinion of those people right now
i expected that, but yuki really gave his best this season, and frankly nyck seemed before this season to be at least on the level of haas drivers, someone who maybe won't be on the level of the top6 teams, or albon, but a guy who could be at least on par with kmag, hulk, or yuki. this year showed that tsunoda is actually pretty good, and nyck can't deal with the pressure. Maybe if he've gotten into f1 as a teammate of russel in 2019, when he was after good f2 season, and everyone treated him as a rookie, he would be up there now as a solid mid table driver, but it didn't happen, he was chosen as an experienced driver, by a team that wanted immediate results, and when he couldn't deliver he was just crushed by the pressure, realisation of own disability, and lack of mazepin/latifi/mick on the track who would at least partially take some media attacks. This year's drivers were just too good, and when even young logan isn't spinning around like a mad man, there is no one for nyck to hide behind
@@superkubus-nk8lbif you didn’t judge a driver’s skill by their charisma and by their actual pace, you would understand Yuki was legit from race 1. He’s obviously no Verstappen and had many flaws, but there is no denying his raw race pace was there from day 1. Yuki had only one season in F3 and one season in F2 before going straight into F1 where he had multiple point finishes as high as P4.
A common comparison is Zhou and Tsunoda. Yuki performed much better than Zhou in their first seasons, but nobody seems to realize this largely because Zhou is a likeable guy while Yuki was/is incredibly immature and hotheaded.
@williamcurtin1036 I agree to a point. Yuki showed great pase but with errors which is fine in my opinion because just like max you have the pace, but by imola last year he fell off a cliff and that is why so many people discredit his abilities. It's good to see he's kicked it up a gear this season. Zhou hasn't had any major dips and has performed commendably against a decent driver in bottas.
@@Dinkleburggg it isn't that i don't think yuki is fast, he is just very inconsistent, and he made a good performance jump this year. Logic behind backing nyck was that he seemed to be a safe , and consistent option, yuki would beat him on his day, but nyck was supposed to edge him just by making less mistakes, and gathering safe points throughout the season. And this didn't happen, despite great amount of experience in all kinds of different cars
To be fair, Tsunoda is probably one of the least impressive drivers on the current F1 grid. De Vries has to beat him handsomely if he wants to have a future in F1. After all, Red Bull are only interested in a new Verstappen. So far, De Vries has been beaten handsomely by Tsunoda, which suggests he is not good enough. Maybe if he gets more time he will be able to match Tsunoda, but I think that's about his ceiling. I'd say at the moment the drivers are letting Alpha Tauri down, not so much the car.
I feel for the guy. Finally makes it into F1 as so many dream of but what he has to deal with is on the opposite side of ideal. This is going to hurt and a massive mental blow.
The biggest "problem" with the red bull approach is that it is designed to generate driver turnover. Gasly wrote an article for The Players' Tribune and described how a crash in testing was enough to make it feel like the team turned on him. And even when he won at monza, he knew RB would never take him back and was reminded of that constantly. If anything, they wanted him gone so they could put the next potential max verstappen in the seat.
Nyck can't save his seat. He's done at AT. He might see out the year, but at this point the team has already turned their back on him. Any more races are just time spent making a decision.
As bad as it is for the drivers, it's absolutely effective. Max wouldn't be where he is now, without that driver management. If success is the most important goal, this approach is the right one.
It led Ricciardo and Vettel to their career highs, you just have to be one step above the rest to get that treatment. Redbull is looking for the absolute best drivers, this is a damn good way to find them. The ones that are adaptable enough to be fast right from the start are really what they’re looking for. They aren’t looking for decent drivers, they’re looking for the next Vettel, Verstappen, Hamilton, or Alonso, if they aren’t champion worthy, they’re worthless in the Redbull model.
@@Besitzerstolz Eh.....It's effective at finding one driver, but as RB themselves will admit, they run into issues trying to keep drivers after a certain point. And given that LeClerc, Hamilton, Norris, and more didn't have to go through the RB meat grinder to be identified as franchise drivers suggests it isn't the "one and only" way, just one way of doing things. It's why they're looking into ways to sell off/deal with AT. I think it's what they need to do at this point - they've been able to seed the junior categories and even F1 itself with enough quality drivers they don't need AT to be a holding pen that looks empty when they don't have their own juniors in it. Having two non-RB drivers in the 4-driver lineup is kinda telling that there are some issues in the pipeline they currently have.
@@themanwithsaucewell atlwast the 1 driver is doing really well
@@Besitzerstolz It is not effective, wtf? Verstappen would still be where he is because of his 10,000+ hours behind a wheel since the age of 3. It has nothing to do with the team's approach and is exclusively short-sighted that will bite them in the ass for however many future champions they refuse to cultivate or turnover in their effort to find the one miracle child. Working 1 out of 15 times is not a good average, let alone a statistically "effective" one.
Turns out he had even less than 3 races left.
Nyck is a nice guy and i really like that he's finally in F1 but his debut really overhyped him as a driver. Maybe the Williams or Monza suited him better then the Alpha Tauri so far this season. Yes it's a dog but Yuki is running away with the team so far. It reminds me of Schumacher last yr. I liked him. I was sad he left and hope he returns. But the difference here is i won't care if Nyck doesn't come back. Also the ' Ricciardo returning if Nyck get dropped ' isnt helping his cause. Silverstone is the make or break for Riccardo due to the testing. I think Lawson is a more liable option as he's younger but Ricciardo is Ricciardo. Fast, very experienced and always similing which is something the team rlly needs right now. I just hope Nyck has succes in wotever motorsport he goes on to race in and the remaining seat to go to Ricciardo for the remaining races and if he does a good job he can stay next yr and if he doesn't Lawson gets it next yr and see how that goes. Great vid.
a) Mick at least had race pace to show. Besides his 2 big shunts, he beat KMag in races they finished, and the kid can actually drive. Yeah he has mediocre quali pace, but it was his first actual competitive season since the 2021 Haas was just a joke car and he dominated Mazepin who was not a good measure of Mick's skill. The team also fucked both drivers out of points many times (Zandvoort for example) and the car wasn't developed so it fell off a cliff on performance at the second half. He was just a rookie in a terrible environment that doesn't favor young driver development.
b) Why would they take Ricciardo? They already have Lawson who's been showing great things at Super Formula, and Iwasa who's doing good at F2. AT/Toro Rosso is a team for driver development, and Ricciardo doesn't fit that. NDV got hired because he's a stop gap for their other talents who are/were too raw, and let's not pretend like these past 2 years haven't shown us that Ricciardo right now isn't dependable. The last thing he needs is to be beat by Yuki. That would end his career.
Not a nice guy at all
Very egoistic thinking he’d own tsunoda from the first race. ‘Don’t want to be treated like a rookie’ mate rookies are doing much better than you are. He’s been humbled since
Schumacher is crash prone but I’d rather him than someone who’s egoistic and then turns out to be the slowest driver on the field
@@TheImSolid Redbull have often suffered from early promotions. Yuki, Pierre and Alex prime examples. Since it's only half a season maybe redbull would want to test if keeping Riccardo is the correct choice.
@sadikurrahman4833 Go get to the top of a division in any sport and win a world championship, if you don’t end up with an ego after that, you’ve probably got a mental disorder. There’s no reason a multi time world champion shouldn’t think he’d beat someone right at the start of their career. He also isn’t considered a rookie anyway, so that comment also makes sense.
@@TheImSolid see, here's the problem. magnussen is currently getting destroyed by hulkenberg. how is that even possible? anyway, the same magnussen that is getting beaten tremendously by hulkenberg also beat mick with relative ease. why is the H2H an inaccurate indicator? because it's clear that haas was outdeveloped and their car on pure pace, could not finish in the points. knowing this, the only way to score any point was to take risky strategies. strategies that almost seem stupid.
Well, that was a bit faster than expected...
Damn, this aged well
He needs a miracle race to save his seat.
Another big factor that is overlooked is just how hard the start of this year was for rookies, on street tracks one after the other, many of which they havn't race on before.With a few being wet on top of that. Nyck is in a very unfortunate situation with possible 1 of the hardest years for a rookie, in a car that is trickier than it looks. Yuki drived out of his skin for only a couple of points in that AT, with 3.5 years of experience in that car.
He's not really a Rookie though, he's 28, he's an FE champion. He's got far more experience in motorsports than Piastri and Sarge, yet he's worse than both.
And I'd say he has more F1 experience than both after being in F1's reserve.
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From RB's perspective, De Vries is a driver outside their academy with a mixed bag junior career being compared to an in house driver (Lawson) who's not been out the top two of at least one series he's entered for every year of his career, so you can see where Marko's words come from. He certainly isn't a bad driver and deserves his F1 chance, but like Mick at Haas it just wasn't the right team to try it and his performance so far isn't helping.
De Vries is better than Schumacher. De Vries was never really in that seat. He makes 1 mistake and it´s over for him. Meanwhile Tsunoda flirts with the prospect of being the worst driver on the grid but it´s all fine for him because he is Japanese and Red Bull will do ANYTHING to make sure Verstappen keeps winning those WDCs.
@@SevenTheMisgiven Mick going to Ferrari academy was a mistake in itself. Even if Mick suceeded in hass and moved into ferrari, his career would be wasted on him like leclerc's career
Let’s be honest that Williams was perfect for Monza high speed/low downforce,,,and Albon had that date circled in Red knowing that was a huge chance to score points…and Nyck did a good job he had nothing to lose and maximized his opportunity… Nyck has shown zero flashes of talent ,,like nothing… either has Logan Sargeant at Williams
Logan’s deleted Q1 lap in Jeddah was perfect, would have been good enough for Q3 😢
@@Tuvok_Shakur I think Logan won the F2 championship by over 50 points right? One of the highest points finishes in F2 history, which takes talent.
@@caterinavega4228did you mean f3? He did not win F2
@@jadynhasstupid2275 I'm sure he won the formula 2 championship setting the record for most points scored in a season? he is talented.
@@caterinavega4228 bro Seargent did not Win F2, you are confused. Maybe with Piastri? Seargent almost didn't qualify for a superlicense to race in f1.
They may boot Nyck after the summer break while they get Dan to keep the seat warm for Lawson for next year. This will give Dan seat time to blow the cobwebs off, then he will jump into Checo's seat if Checo continues to mess up for the rest of the season and if he gets beaten by Alonso for P2 then that's curtains for him. That will be Dan's ticket back to RB in 2024. But yeah sadly Nyck is dead man walking at this point,such a shame as he's a nice guy.
Danny will never drive for RB again. Checo is good enough for what RB want at the moment, win the WCC. Max runs away with most points and Checo picks up enough to win the championship.
Danny would throw a wrench into the system they have. If he is as good as Checo, there is no point in switching. If he is better and closer to Max, RB would have a problem in their hands trying to control both their drivers to avoid a 2016 Mercedes situation.
@HGRAP1 this comment aged like milk
Called it 😎 that said I do feel sorry for Nyck he's undoing was the hype behind him being formula E and F2 champ, he wasn't treated like a rookie, him scoring that points for Williams didn't help either. Hopefully he can find a seat elsewhere.
Correction: 1 race since this video was made
This is Nyck getting a taste of the RB academy philosophy. RB is extreme in everything they do and thus their junior academy is set up that way. They apply extreme amounts of pressure to their juniors just to see who makes the cut. After all, RB is a top team (even when they go through lesser times) and to be at the top in F1 you need to be able to withstand extreme pressure. With Max it clearly worked and if there is a junior that shows a similar promise to Max', they will probably cut it and become champion with RB at some point in time or at least win races. The reasoning makes sense, but it just doesn't work for everyone. It seems Nyck is part of that group.
That aged like milk
Putting Ricardo in the Alpha Tauri could do two things. First, it would give them an experienced driver's viewpoint. Second, it would send a message to Checo that he's got competition and if he doesn't play the good teammate someone else could take that seat
It would also give AT more points
He can't be a bad driver looking at his past performance. But he was hyped based on one race. Feel sad for him.
also sounded like journalists were trying to spark something up between kmag and nyck, but I think Kevin didnt want to add more onto Nyck and just said it is what it is
1:53 you really wanted to brag and this was the best excuse you could think of lmaoooo
Choosing AlphaTauri instead of Williams only to finish behind a Williams in a regular fashion. 🗿
this pains me. i wanted him to do well in his 1st season as a F1. just not going to well atm. his semi debut was amazing. last min call to be a back up driver. came 10th amazing
Nyck is already a dead man walking, it's so evident since.
A. Christian Horner & Franz Tost didn't want Nyck de Vries in the first place.
B. There are multiple Red Bull juniors like Lawson and Iwasa impressing.
C. He only beat Yuki twice on race H2H, and that's because Yuki had break failure in Monaco, and a horrible race in Austria.
D. His consistent crashing like his 3 crashes in Baku, including one where he crashed into Tsunoda. And his horrible wheel to wheel combat when he crashed with Norris and Magnussen twice.
E. He is freaking 28. He is older than Verstappen, Leclerc, Ocon, Russell, Albon, and even Latifi. He's not some young rookie like Logan Sargeant who's mistakes are more forgiveable, he should be the established product.
Even if Nyck doesn't get fired after Belgium, he's gonna get fired after Abu Dhabi. He has no future in RBR, so there's no incentive to keep him.
*incentive
@@Brinta3 Thank you
I thought Franz Tost was pretty keen on Nyck, I swear I remember reading that after he was signed last year... perhaps I'm mistaken but I really feel like I remember seeing that
@@reereadstoomuch I remember him saying that he prefered Mick Schumacher but Marko disagreed and gave Nyck the seat.
@@alvarorey9308 ah yes i remember that, i wonder how Mick would've done in that seat in comparison to Nyck...
You can call Red Bull and Helmut cold and all, but he’s been trash. It’s a results business, we’re talking about the pinnacle of motorsports and there’s only 20 seats. You can’t perform that badly and be shocked if you’re shown the door.
Those tiktok ‘experts’ who started watching f1 two yrs ago do not understand that.
Very good comment.
"It's a results business" Stroll has been robbing a seat for 7 years now, and Mazepin had a full year in an F1 seat.
@@Stealthassin135 Okay if Nick’s dad buys a team he can stay despite being pickled anus.
Something that came to my mind:
If Ricciardo impresses in the Pirelli test and RBR is seriously considering him for Perez's seat, he should be in that AT seat after the summer break.
But I think the AT seat should be Lawson's for 2024
The AT is completely different from the RB and we saw how Ricciardo performed in a McLaren. It would again ruin his changes for the RB seat. Besides, he himself opted for a year out of racing.
AT is McLaren 10x worse. Bad brakes and horrible understeer. Total opposite of what Ricciardo likes. If Ric jumps in that AT he's done for.
And…. He’s out……
This driver swap is scary. Next up is Checo. Maybe Helmut Marko is trying to decide between Yuki and Danny to replace Checo.
When one of them became Max’s teammate, Liam Lawson will fill in that AlphaTauri seat.
I think more what the vid said, Ric wouldn't accepted the AT seat if it's not a test to prove himself worthy of the RB seat. From this week forward will be the Battle of Checo vs Ricciardo for the 2nd seat at RB in '24
he only had one 😔
People trust an experienced, succesfull veteran on the job like Dr Marko, rather than a RUclipsr kid.
The ultimate stop gap driver
Marko is saying that because they need a spot for Danny Ric. And they need a spot for Danny Ric, because the Verstappens want him besides Max. So if Danny Ric can outperform Tsunoda that path is open. Then Max has the ideal teammate, and someone who keeps it light and fun. The last thing RB wants is Max leaving F1 early, because it's no longer fun to him.
I’m shocked they haven’t tried to put Alex Palou in that seat or checos seat. Kid is a generational talent. He’s dominating Indy car like few have.
So who’s hear after the news
I was really excited when AT announced Nyck but now seeing him underperforming and with Lawson being incredibly talented and my favorite Junior driver atm, I wouldn’t be too bothered if they drop him
As a NZer, the biggest concern about Lawson is definitely his qualifying pace. He's not that great in quali, and if he comes second in Super Formula, it will because he didn't get enough points from quali (I know its weird but SF gives out points for the top 3 in qualifying). However, his race pace and tyre management is probably the best among all the Red Bull juniors, even probably Yuki. He's definitely been the fastest driver in Super Formula this season and the only races he didn't finish in the podiums were not his fault. (bad strategy and bad safety car timings)
Funnily enough being average at qualifying worked in his favour in F2, because he would qualify 4-10th usually, be flipped near the front of the grid in the sprints and pick up podiums (when typical F2 shenanigans didn't ruin his race), and having the race pace in the feature races to also pick up podiums. (Although he's weirdly good at Monaco qualifying).
He would have been a good midfield driver but he was on the wrong team. The RB family is just not the place for him. Wish him the best.
Honestly I wonder if there would be any interest from Williams even as a reserve, he clearly can get something out of their car like Albon can at he right circuits.
@@phightinphil25 exactly. I’m thinking Williams, Alfa Romeo or even a Haas as a reserve…Reserve as the Aston would be a little stretch as they already have a good reserve…
@@AtaTabeshHe already was Aston's reserve.
@@AtaTabesh I think barring Bottas losing his seat, Pouchaire will be the reserve next season at Alfa Romeo. I doubt Pourchaire will do another season in F2 if he can't win this season.
@@TheImSolid I totally forgot. Lol right on.
He didn't even finished 3 Races. (currently following the Danny Ric comeback news, just now.)
Faster than we think. Ricardo is back.
I always feld that the rb family was not nyck's place at Williams he would probably do beter and kept his Mercedes ties , i hope Lawson gets a shot at f1 that kid has talent and seams to adapt easy to cars the way he jumped into dtm cars and was on the pace was great to see even in superformula he has shown good pace
De Vries learning chinese as we speak
I get the feeling something big is coming for AT, sold off or something different, in which case DR as a lead driver would make sense or even Cheko. It was always DM that kept Minardi in the family with his passing it is an asset, i think RB may see this as a time to sell it off while the market is hot for F1 teams on grid.
I feel bad for him mainly due to all this pressure, I mean I understand that his driving is not good, but you got to have some sympathy
Well this is very unfortunate because I really like Nyck de Vries. But at the same time I knew that this was coming at some point.
It’s his first f1 season people should be patient. Personally I like him, and we also saw his performance in the williams last year. He’s a great driver that deserves to be in f1. It’s not his fault he has a bad car and I bet Liam Lawson would have similar performances.
But he's 28. He doesn't have the time nor the potential upside of a young rookie. That's why they're not treating him as one. They didn't sign him to be the new guy starting out from scratch, they signed him to be a semi-veteran talent (and likely just a temporary one at that).
The decision to replace him with Ricciardo makes it clear that Ricciardo was the driver they wanted at the beginning of the season, but Daniel didn't want that seat at that time.
"3 races left" turned out to be an over-optimistic estimation.
Lol AT are not the worst car on the grid- that’s Alfa Romeo, it’s just that the drivers have maximized their results better
Haas are even worse, cheese graters on wheels, and if they kept Mick instead of hiring Hulk, they would be on 2 points just like AT
This video aged like milk
This aged like fine milk
well, this aged well…
You couldn’t have said it better. When Nick signed with AT, I only thought ‘no!’ Nick was already past his chance really, F2 took him years and FE, well… tombola. He’s not up there. But he would’ve done better and felt more proud at Williams, I feel
I can't see RB throwing Riccardo into an RB seat without recent race experience. Checo's irregular run might be pushing Marco into replacing Nyck mid season
He had 1.
The problem with Nyck goes beyond just his poor performance on track. He's 28 years old, he doesn't have the benefit of time or the potential upside of a young rookie. They don't have the luxury to give him a full year to figure out how to drive the car. That's why expectations for him are so high: he was given the seat to perform quickly, and he's just not doing that.
The fact that the car is bad actually just exacerbates the problem, because he's clearly not helping all that much from a car development perspective. That's why replacing him with Ricciardo is a no-brainer. Alpha Tauri needed to make a change now, before it was too late, in order to best prepare for next season. Additionally, Ricciardo is more of a known veteran talent, which means that while the car is still so bad, they can better evaluate Yuki's performance by comparing him to what Daniel can do with the car. I suspect, especially since the driver change was made, that Daniel was their choice all along, but they couldn't talk him into taking the seat at the beginning of the season.
More than likely, Red Bull will use the rest of this season to evaluate both Ricciardo and Tsunoda, and if Checo continues to underperform, one of those two could potentially get his seat next year.
Edit: I absolutely agree with you that he should have stayed at Williams. There would have been far less pressure there, even with Albon performing well.
this aged well.......
This aged well, lol!! He's already gone just six day's after this video was released!! Danny Ric is back, though! So, I am not devastated!
Aged worse than milk. Only lasted 6 days
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
Turns out he only had 1 💀
Aged like fine milk.
Going to AT can never be seen as an honest regret, insofar as questioning his decision-making. It was the right decision at the time, and we have no indication to believe Williams is going anywhere. It's just a matter of Nyck not being cut out for that role, he cannot capitalize on the opportunity he was given.
De Vries only earned a place in F1 with his drive at Williams. He did because it seemed he could just turn up and deliver; but this year he's shown he can't. He's already failed to deliver on the reason that Red Bull chose to put him in that Alpha Tauri over their own juniors. That's always going to put him on shaky ground. Nice guy, but that gets you no points in F1.
I think DR is the more sensible and likely replacement for him when he goes. RB clearly don't rate Lawson that highly or they'd have given him an F1 drive already. Put DR in that seat and they can take a view on whether to promote him to RB next year and replace the mediocre driving of Sergio. Lawson can then get a full season run next year, perhaps alongside Iwasa, and whichever of them is worst can get replaced by Zane Maloney the year after.
Aldas If i knew you where at Spielberg i would have liked too meet you 😅 Greetings from AT🇦🇹🇦🇹🇦🇹
I guess there will always be that question of what would've happened to Nyck if he had chosen to go to Williams
Well, he's kicked out now.
Checco is not loosing his seat. Are people mental? He gets podiums...
This aged like milk for Nyck 💀💀⚰⚰
Always very honest and human. Really like the balanced thinking mind you have. Great video.
Dan may not be able to get into an Alpha this year, as there maybe clauses in Dan's payout contract that he may not be able to " race " for another team this year as opposed to being a reserve driver, which would be a one off drive.
Yuki is trying his best and his teammate is trying aswell. They both have rubish cars.
I am a die-hard Lewis and Mercedes fan, but the odd thing about Red Bull is how different it has become these last few years relative to its glory days with Seb.
For instance, during Seb's WC winning years Mark Webber clearly underperformed Seb in three of those campaigns (especially in 2013), and yet his seat never in jeopardy in the same way as Gasly, Albon or even Sergio today.
This may be just a mere coincidence, but it definitely seems that since 2016, Red Bull drivers cannot afford to have a bad patch.
My guess is that when Red Bull found out it had stuck gold when they did it the first time with Kvyat (replacing him with Max), they believed they could easily repeat the same procedure over and over until they find another top driver to partner Max.
However, and putting myself on a Red Bull driver's shoes, I can only imagine the crushing pressure it must be to partner Max (who basically buries every buries every teammate 10 feet under) and knowing that Red Bull's top brass hovers a Damocles's sword over your head.
No wonder Max is given 100% priority and the other seat has been swapped around so often.
I just hope Sergio finds his feet and avoids the hammer. He is a good driver overall (a few notches below Max, sure), very likable and I will never forget the fact that he chipped in when Force India went into administration back in 2018 to save many of the team's staff from unemployment.
Well are you allowed to send guys down/option them to an F2 or lower team?
I think NASCAR is the only racing league that veteran drivers can race in the lower series. F2 champions aren’t allowed back in F2, and AT is currently the lowest team. His only option is another racing series, because it’s very doubtful another team will pick him up.
Nyck De Vries can go back to Formula E after his F1 career is over.
3 you say ? he just got dropped
Considering the state of the AT-04 with Yuki who is a 3 years veteran despite driving the car to the limit, only managed to extract 2 points out of it. De Vries would even be lucky to get any point this season. Doesn’t matter who drive the car Lawson or Ricciardo. At this point they better change the fucking car.
I feel the same happened with Scott Speed, Jean-Éric Vergne and Daniil Kvyat. They all had soo much potential however just Toro Rosso was never a good fit.
All Redbull seems to want are championship caliber drivers. They want another Hamilton, Alonso, or Verstappen, not a Devries or Schumacher, who are good drivers in their own light, just not compared to the best of the best.
@@watersnortmoment3734 1000% couldn’t have said it better 🙌🏾
Kvyat is miles clear of their current juniors, he was able to compete with Riccardo in 2015
Not enough people remember Nyck's dominance in F2, FE, and LMP2. The man is an incredibly talented driver and easily deserves to be in F1. These new guys don't have the time to test the car IRL and really grow into being F1 drivers outside of races. How many great young drivers are going to get criticised and pressured out of the sport before we admit there's a problem? I'm old enough to remember when everyone was giving Yuki Tsunoda this treatment.
"Dominance" beating Latifi and getting owned by Albon, and winning by a gimmick in FE and getting owned by Vandoorne. Some talent right there.
What dominance in formula e lol
They don't remember because it never happened.
I feel like most RB driver swaps are RB for AT when it’s mid season. If an AT driver is at risk usually they let them go till at least very close to the end of the year. Not saying it’s impossible, but also not as big a chance as a lot of people seem to think
That comment from K-Mag about De Vries driving like a man whose career is under pressure is ironic since him and Hulk could be facing competition from Ferrari-backed Oliver Bearman for one of their seats.
This could be either a good plan or a horriblely bad one, give Danny Ric the seat and FP1 outings (including the Silverstone tyre tet in the RB19) and time in the sim to get up to speed on the RB car and stick him in the AT for the rest of the season and if Lawson keeps perfomring like he is in Super Formula, give him the seat for AT in '24 and Danny Ric a RB drive for '24. It makes sense to me for both parties involved since RB know how to set up a car for Danny Ric and it gives Lawson the much needed time in F1 to show if he can transfer his talent into F1 and score points on the regular consistently and just be Alonso basically because that AT next season probably won't be any better than it is right now
I thought Ayumu Iwasa could also get the steat
Why would Danny Ric want to go to AT, straight to the back of the grid (he's not going to get much better results than Yuki in that car)? Especially since his departure from the equally abysmal - for his driving style particularly - McLaren virtually wrecked his career, if only in his head. He _needs_ to be in a better car straight away or else his career really is over.
So basically I can't see why he'd want to replace Nyck in the AT for the second half of the season. That car isn't going to get much better by then. Frankly, I can't see that car doing _anyone's_ career any good. Yuki is having a lot of bad luck (though Austria saw the return of his hot head, sadly), but because he's got so much experience in that car, he's the only person in a position to get the most out of it. Bringing in a rookie - even more of a rookie than Nyck - (or pretty much anyone on the grid!) would be as good for him as Haas was in the rookie year of Mick Schumacher and... whatever his name was ;). In other words, disastrous!
Personally, Helmut’s comments would not be news to Nyck as they will have been said in private long ago. So airing them in response to a direct question is fair enough.
It's a typical Helmut/RBR move.
A driver doesn't meet expectations, and tbh Nyck hasn't come close, so they hammer him in the media making sure to crush what little confidence he may have left.
What makes the most sense to me is: Ricciardo to AT and depending on the result to replace Checo or definitely out. Calling Lawson mid-season has little value to either AT or RB.
I think De Vries could be a great race engineer or someone who serves on a race team as a strategist.
Feeling sorry for nyck devries. Anyways I just came to say that you were right about mclaren. They did make a great comeback. The comeback that I even I didn’t expect.
If you don't have a engine partnership with honda you get alot more leniency at RB, tsunoda got that leniency alot after his rookie season
I completely disagree with your take in this video. Marko is perfectly fine to make those comments, this is not some office setting where good relationships need to be built, it's one of the most high pressure sports in existence where only 20 seats are available and the amount of "real" driving (racing) you do in a year is a few dozens of hours so yes, if you do not perform you are out, that is the game, it is not a children's playground where you have to be nice to everyone.
On one hand I agree with the rest of the video, but on the other I disagree with the initial statement of it being unnecessary to say what Marko said. however, NDV being questioned live about the subject matter.. that's entirely unnecessary and fishing for a negative reaction.
what he said can be looked at from a different point of view, Marko believed in NDV, which isn't a common thing for Marko. he stuck his neck out and is getting burned for it as NDV really isn't performing as well as Marko petitioned for him internally. There isn't a lie in his statement, NDV really isn't doing what he needs to be doing and Horner was right to not want him in the team.
Im a believer of the first year being a wash for every rookie, but man NDV is really making it hard to actually want to keep him on for another year. honestly, between LS and NDV, i think Williams is also better off with LS and not picking up NDV was a bullet dodged financially.
Red Bull need to reflect on how good or bad they are at developing drivers and getting the best out of them. It's easy to mouth off and make them perform worse. But it's the kind of behaviour that in time will (A) lose team championships in close season (B) lose a super-star in the making. Albon is showing more than Red Bull was capable of getting from him. Does Marko & Horner ever wonder why that may be?
When it works, it works really well (Seb, Max, early Ricciardo) but it isn't for everyone
@@lord.liberty sure, a good manager would adapt to the individual.
Even the distinction on "early Riccardo" raises a question on him wanting away against their wishes
Now I laugh when I remember the people saying last year that de Vries was on the same tier as Albon, maybe he could be better, blah, blah.
Albon debuted with less testing and was trading blows with Kvyat since the beginning. De Vries might have a car that is not good enough to fight for points, but still has a teammate.
Anyway, he got his chance and at least can say: "I was a Formula 1 driver".
If anything, Id say that they should move places with Ricciardo, have Nyck fulfil a Third Driver role with Red Bull and have the second car of AT being used by both De Vries and Ricciardo, ultimately giving the seat to whomever performs better.
That being said, I do think that Nyck deserves more time. Pulling a Rookie completely out of F1 in his first handful of races is not a good look. Especially when the team is due for a complete and total overhaul next year.
Also, Lawson isnt ready as far as Im concerned. Putting him in there now would be disasterous at the moment. If someone does step in for Nyck, I believe Lawson should also be used as a reserve driver and used for Practices and the like.
I agree for someone who's won F2 and FE, and have stelar performance in Monza in a William deserve a chance to prove himself in F1. Nyck already got that chance and fail to capitalize. Yes he had the worst car on the grid right now, but he also has his teammate that consistently beat him.
Seeing how well Lawson do in super formula this season i think the decision have been made, and Marco's comment just a sign that the writting already on the wall.
It might well be that both Yuki and Nyck are unable to extract the full potential from the car.
Seeing them so high up in qualifying in mixed conditions like last weekend in Austria, that is an obvious sign that the car isn't as bad as it looks.
There are advantages for AT and Red Bull to have an experienced driver like Daniel at the wheel for proper feedback and a good direction for the development of next years car.
It might well be that Daniel is able to extract more from the car and thus get some much needed points in the remaining races.
What are you talking about? Yuki has extract more out of the Alpha Tauri. The vehicle isn’t really that good.
@@samsea0489 Who are we to say? We see the difference Alonso makes vs Stroll compared to Vettel vs Stroll. Who's to say the AlphaTauri wouldn't be much higher up with Alonso in it?
@@unthenner5519 such an unpopular opinion but i believe that with nyck as tsunoda's performance comparison, it heavily flatters how good tsunoda really is. putting daniel in the car will really paint a much needed picture for RB to determine how good yuki really is and whether or not daniel has still got it.
I think part of the reason why they want to replace De Vries is that they need a better benchmark for Yuki. De Vries is not a very good reference right now. I don't think Marko really care that much about De Vries' career. They need a proven driver to tell them if it's really the car, or the drivers problem.
@@no1washerezz Exactly, no one can tell whether Tsunoda has improved from last year, despite a lot of people stating it as fact.
I had a bad feeling about De Vries ever since I started hearing the rumors of him joining AT