28 Nosler is my new western hunting fun gun! 168 grain Nosler AccuBond LR bullets and Retumbo magnum powder are an unbeatable combo. It's a great cartridge.
@@DuckersAI oh no. Not that scary belt. Obviously everything wrong with the world today is brought about because of cartridges with a belt. Wait until AL Gore proves that a cartridge belt is causing global warming.
How about the 30-378 loaded with 130gr copper … I saw a vid of Arizona Ammo that did this cartridge and ripped to 4300fps!! Love to see that ones trajectory
I have a lot of experience in this realm. Obviously I am a huge fan of the 7MM STW. Most people don’t realize there is only one grain difference between the STW and the 28 Nosler. Performance is near identical. To ease your doubt, I hunted about 16-18 years with a monolithic bullet that weighed 129gr very similar to the hammer bullets. Using RL22 I was at 3850fps with ES of 15. I would have to trim the cases and anneal after 4 loadings. I tried the 120gr Lazzeroni Lazerheads and was achieving over 4000 but I could not get them to group better than 3”. First bullet I tried in it was the Combined Technologies 140gr Ballistic Silvertip. The gun was blowing the bullets apart. Later when the POS Berger bullets became the rage, I tried them and had the same results. The target at 100 yards looked like it was shot by a shotgun. That’s why when your shooting these hyper-magnums, I only trust a monolithic bullet. Currently I shoot the 145gr Barnes LRX in my STW at 3450Fps. The rifle is a Sako TRG-S (M995) with a 26”bbl.
I have a 7 stw as well built on a defiance action with a 26 inch hart barrel and yes i load the exact same same charges as i do in my 28 nosler in all honesty i rather have the 7stw
While I'm no hypermagnum guy, I am fully onboard with you on fast cartridges being best with Monos. Personally, for hunting Plains Game up to the size of Eland, I wouldn't hesitate using a 6.5 PRC with a Barnes TTSX or LRX going 3000+, but for my .308, I think a 165gr Nosler AccuBond is just about perfect. In my opinion, velocities over 3000fps is Monolithic territory. Below 2800fps, I feel like a Bonded is still a tad bit 'better'.. but that's all subjective.
Idk what bergers you were using but i have yet to hurt a 180 vld or hybrid out of my 28. Ive shot them as fast as 3400 on a too hot load. Current at a node in 3275-3280 range out of my 28” 8t barrel
In terms of energy, definitely - but trajectory.. well a .243 AI with a 115gr Nosler RDF going 3200 is slightly flatter shooting than either of them! Of course it's no where near the bite and definitely nowhere near the bark though of a .28 Nos haha
The numbers I've heard on the 7mm PRC are very efficient. In between a 7mm rem mag and a 28 nosler. Very good energy, trajectory and efficiency with a 180 grain bullet. Combine those facts with a much more manageable recoil and we have a great cartridge. Judging from it's powder charge it would have better barrel life than a 28 nosler or 300 rum.
@@moneyx3232 while I'll agree that I wouldn't trust the ELD-X and especially the M for Hunting... I fully believe the 7 PRC will get factory support very quickly. I mean... it's a hot new cartridge - much more so than the 6.8 Western and judging by Hornady's history... 6.5 Creed, 6 Creed, 6.5 PRC and .300 PRC have all been serious marketing successes that all the big companies will want to jump on - give it a little time and you'll see factory loads with all sorts of bullets 👍🏻 Personally, I'd want to reload it with a Barnes TTSX or Nosler AccuBond LR.
7 PRC identical to the 7MM RM exept that the 7PRC can use longer/heavier bullets because of twist and OAL, BUT 7MM hunting, What is the max weight you would use in a hunting rifle , 160-175 Grns most popular big game loads, or 180-190+ Grns bullets?
Thanks for your nice video!! I just reached 3150 fps with my Sandero .300 RUM, using a Nosler ABLR 210 grains and US 869 powder…. A little tough on the shoulder… My 6.5 CM is more fun to shoot! 😁😁
In my eyes, I'm more concerned about Wind Drift. Bullet drop is much more consistent and much easier to accurately adjust for using Rangefinders and a ballistic app. Windage on the other hand.. well it could be 10mph left to right where you are, but 5mph right to left half way... so the less wind drift you can get from a bullet, obviously the better. In my eyes, the .28 Nosler wins, mainly because I find all of the RUMs to just be too much... I'm more of a .280 AI or 7 SAUM guy than .28 Nos guy, but as long as I can handle the kick, the ballistics are incredible.
100%. I left the same comment before reading this. I have heard some pretty good hunter/shooters say the 7 mag with a good 175gr bullet will take larger game than most give credit without issue. Ron Spomer for 1. So the 28 with a good, reasonably heavy bullet should cover it also.
@@kentuckywindage222 In my opinion, 7mm is optimal. Not as light as 6.5 and .27, but also not more than you need. Very good ballistics from 160gr and up, whereas .30 cal you really need to go over 180gr to do well in the air... O have a .308 and I think I'd prefer it over a 7mm-08, but a .280 AI would be my preferred choice for game up to the size of Eland.
Fwiw, ADG case 28 nosler fired in my gun was 102.6 gr water. Hodgdon load data with berger 180 vld and 81.5 retumbo but seated to closer to 3.6” not saami, is 3250’s fps in my 28” 8t. 90 grain LRT its 3280’s with a 180 hybrid target. Its a powerhouse for wind drift. Flat comes into play past 1000, light bullet 30 mags def can be flatter at less range but wont handle wind. Id be curious how they compare with equal bc bullets. Rum needs to run 230-250’s to really shine.
Interesting and surprising results, thanks for the comparison! I have my 28 Nosler barrel coming with a chamber optimized for a 195gr Berger EOL which is single feed only and the bullet heel is right on the shoulder-neck junction of my dummy rounds. It will be interesting how flat I can get this thing to shoot at 1000yds. Not hunting with it, it is ELR only. It looks like the US869 or RL33 are the highest velocity powders for the heavier 7mm projectiles. I'll have to run it through QuickLoad.
I plan on getting a Mag lengh action donor rifle and rebarrel to 28 Nosler. There are new 300 Wby or 6.5 Wby rifles for $800 (600 used)and a $600 Barrel. If I stick to the 7 RM or 300 WM can seat out the bullets and get 7PRC or 300PRC performance with plenty available cases. Don't care about the belt
300 Rum 26 inch barrel 200 grain federal Edge TLR g1 bc = 0.625. Or g7 bc = 0.312 Average F.P.S = 3216 300 yard zero. 1000 yard drop = 160.1 inches. Simple there are only a few rifle cartridges that can do these numbers and 28 Nosler is not one of them
@@ReloadingWeatherby I meant to say shots that long on game is not ethical for 99.99% of hunters. Thus, I would only try a shot that long for ringing steel which would not require a perfect 1st round wind call. Sadly, there are no 1,000 yard ranges close to me. BTW - I went insane over the weekend and ordered a 20" threaded Criterion barrel in 270 to experiment with.
I would liked to have seen a comparison of the 210 ABLR in 300 RUM and the 175 ABLR in the 28 Nosler. Then for giggles the 190 ABLR in 300 Win. All hunting bullets. Then also discuss best lethality on game like elk at 500 yards?
I wonder would happen if I could take a 300rum dt srs m2 & order a custom 28 nosler barrel for it & get these new 28 bullets seated out further...🤔 could literally use the same mag, bolt & only have to swap a barrel out, both would be at 26 cause why not.
I'll take the 28 Nos. elevation adjustment is easy, compared to windage adjustment when wind is involved. Therefore the higher B.C. bullet is definitely a better choice. Especially running that close in drop. Also owning a 300 Rum, (as in past tense) it has pretty stiff recoil. Haven't shot the 28 Nos. but I would suspect recoil to be less. Don't get me wrong I'm a .30 cal guy but here, my choice is the 28.
@@WillyK51 William I went to a 300 Win mag after that. Now my magnum is no more than a 308 Win. 168gr Berger @2760 fps, 6.5 creedmoor Hornady 140 gr ELDM @ 2835 fps or 243 Winchester 100 gr 2900 fps. or what I have come up with lately an 80gr Barnes ttsx @ 3400 fps. None close to the 300 Ultra and most particularly in recoil. I'm busted up pretty bad, (close quarter shotgun blast to my lower right flank) at the time of the 300 ultra, I was young and trying to push every limit my body put on me. Even going back to work as a small town city officer for a while. Neither of the two lasted long as health and severe pain issues became a problem with both. I'm retired and disabled now. I find big ideas and planning testing loads needing motivation lately. Anyway if I were healthy, I would own a 300 Ultra or maybe a 7mm Ultra. The newer cartridges with those high BC bullets are hard to over look. My little 6.5cm with my load has as much fps and foot lbs energy as a 357 mag at the muzzle at 1000 yards. I've shot that rifle repeatedly from 800 to 1000 yards with repeatable results breaking clay pigeon's. If the 1st or 2nd shot did miss it was well within a normal kill zone on all but the smallest of varmints. One evening in particular we were preparing to leave a practice and a varmint walked out just above 1000 yards. Where I had just shot a good target group. My partner ranged, 1060 yards. I made the adjustments and one varmint down. Most impressive was the 140gr bullets damage. Would I take that shot at a deer.....probably not, but I know my rifle, load and I have made it before if I ever did. My buddy shoots a 300 Win Mag. I worked with him one summer 4 to 6 days a week rain, wind, smoke, etc. Shooting and reloading. Last deer gun season he took 2 deer at 700 yards. This was a shot at the same spot he had practiced. Still 700 yards is a pretty good clip. He told me starting if he could bust a milk jug at 400 yards he would be thankful. 4 months in he was busting those milk jugs at 1000 yards. He was so pleased. Me too! Use enough gun and the right bullet with plenty of practice, in the elements you'll be hunting in, with different types of rests. I like accuracy over horsepower.
@@kentuckywindage222 Thank's, I have just one big game rifle and it's a 1917 Enfield in 30-06, About 1 moa( hand loaded) and never needed a bit more Omph. But loking for something bit more modern to pass on to grandson and setelled between a 300 Win,fine for me and a 7mm RM a bit more practical for a younger hunter. My Inlaw son isn't a hunter, but Active Military and snipper school graduate. So coaching won't be an issue. With all the long range craze, piking the proper rifle maters, for me Bullet choice is simple, 165Grns for 06, and up to 180 Grns for the 300 Win and 160 Grns to 175 in the 7 RM, Standard rifling twist. but there are few Rifle makers that make 1-8 for both cartridges in case Kid wants long range hunting and heavier/streamlined bullets (Browning is the one so far) (Budget Very Important) $1500 Max. Don't want to go the PRC or 28 Nosler way. For my 300 Win found a $400 300 Whby either to set back to chamber 300 Win( bit of a Wildcat but will chamber std, 300 Win and a longer OAL pluss throat) or rebarrel to 300 Win with a 1-8 twist and longer throat, Mag lengh Action with 300 PRC capabilities in 300 Win. Just to much time wondering how to build 🤔 a better mouse trap
@@WillyK51 My buddy has a Christensen arms Ridgeline 26inch carbon in 300 win mag. Looong throat. Why he runs the Berger 212 hybrid over Vitavauri 570 I believe. Tried H1000 but didn't give him what he was looking for. He ran a low node of 2950 for the first summer and until about 3 months ago. I think he is around 1500 to 1800 rounds. Can't remember for sure, but he has kept a measure on throat erosion. He bumped up powder the powder to run a bit over 3000 and his accuracy actually got better. It shot well from the start. Someone told him we needed to run a long OAL for the Christensen to shoot at it's best. I hear folks talk about theirs shooting badly. So I think you have to run a little long. I myself have a tendency to run hot loads. I find better accuracy it seems at the bottom node and the top node. Seems a longer as in grains between start and end of node closer or at the top, (hotter load). Of course this is counter intuitive to barrel life. If just hunting and some long range practice for practice and just in case the shot would come to fruition upper node will be fine. Lots of the rifles today have prefit barrels by good barrel makers. Some with action wrench and or barrel ranch plus go gauge and translucent tape on end for no go or an actual no go gauge, can be changed by someone with a little tool sense in 15 to 45 minutes. In other words you could go from let's say 308 Win. to 6.5 creedmoor in that time. Action length is you limiting factor. All in all I've shot a lot of weapons and calibers. The little 6.5 when loaded with 140 + @ 2800 feet per second is awesome. A muzzle break and no recoil watch your shots impact. Use inside reticle for correction if alone. I'm really liking the 6mm creedmoor with the high BC bullets on paper. Less powder, less recoil etc. Before choosing a caliber look at how hard components are to find. 6.5 creedmoor = H4350 hard to find. Especially 8lb cans, brass and bullets at times, the Berger 212gr my buddy uses were like hen's teeth. Just so you know. Wish someone would've told me this kinda stuff.🤣
There's a crossover point in cartridges! There's barrel wear in every cartridge! But these two cartridges have to be barrel burners with maximum loads! These cartridges are both Overbored! Lots of powder and long shank bullets have costs associated with them!
7mm RUM is faster, but it really needs a 28 inch barrel to show it's true potential. But if you believe the reloading books... With both cartridges having 26 inch barrels apparently the 28 Nosler and 7mm RUM have the exact same velocities.
Just out of curiosity, if you were going to Africa for Plains Game and HAD to choose between a 6.5mm (of your choice) and a cartridge that is just too much recoil for you - how big would that cartridge have to be before you choose the 6.5? So for instance if you find a .458 Lott is too much recoil for you, would you rather take that or a 6.5mm? Or would you tough it out with the monster cartridges? Love your vids btw, always good fun to watch.
@@ReloadingWeatherby haha that's a great loophole you found 😄 but your choice actually is absolutely right - in my opinion, always take the biggest you can accirately shoot. Personally, I don't see it as a necessity to go past .338 Win Mag for PG, but hey.. if one can handle more, that's great 👍🏻
@@ReloadingWeatherby I just ordered a Mark V Accumark Bronze Sporter with a deluxe walnut stock ( Limited production, discontinued) Have you ever heard of it?
I have a custom 28 nosler wit a 26 inch hart barrel i shoot 180 berger at 3150 fps with retumbo i have 2 custom 300 rums one with a 30 inch bartlein barrel and the other with a 26 inch bartlein barrel in the 26 i shoot 210 ablrs at 3160 fps but the flattest of them all i have a custom 7mm rum wit a 28 inch hart barrel and that shoots 180 berger bullets at 3350 fps but i dont shoot anything bigger then deer cause bergers blow up on the animals
@@ReloadingWeatherby both the 28 nosler an 7mm rum shoot the same powder retumbo but the rum i load 10 grains more powder iv tryd everything with my 28 nosler and it doesnt come close to the 7 rum
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28 Nosler is my new western hunting fun gun! 168 grain Nosler AccuBond LR bullets and Retumbo magnum powder are an unbeatable combo. It's a great cartridge.
I use to load 125 grain ballistic tips in my 300 RUM at 4,000 fps. Made a flat Pronghorn load.
Haha nice
Still think the 300H&H has the most class. 🤘🏼🤟🏽🤘🏼🤟🏽
Has a belt🤮
The 300 H&H seems to be inherently accurate the ultra magnum is also good but I also like the 300 H&H and enjoy shooting it
@@DuckersAI proving you don’t Jack crap.
@@DuckersAI oh no. Not that scary belt. Obviously everything wrong with the world today is brought about because of cartridges with a belt. Wait until AL Gore proves that a cartridge belt is causing global warming.
@@scottscheuerman6170 Yup its a joy! Hand loaded is no slouch either.
If I'm guessing I'd say the 28 Nosler after you do this comparison compare the 28 Nosler against the 7mm Ultra Magnum
How about the 30-378 loaded with 130gr copper … I saw a vid of Arizona Ammo that did this cartridge and ripped to 4300fps!! Love to see that ones trajectory
My favorite Weatherby caliber is the 6.5-300 Weatherby, since it has the best ballistic coefficient.
I would guess the 300 RUM should similar to your 300 Wby.
I have a lot of experience in this realm. Obviously I am a huge fan of the 7MM STW. Most people don’t realize there is only one grain difference between the STW and the 28 Nosler. Performance is near identical.
To ease your doubt, I hunted about 16-18 years with a monolithic bullet that weighed 129gr very similar to the hammer bullets. Using RL22 I was at 3850fps with ES of 15. I would have to trim the cases and anneal after 4 loadings. I tried the 120gr Lazzeroni Lazerheads and was achieving over 4000 but I could not get them to group better than 3”.
First bullet I tried in it was the Combined Technologies 140gr Ballistic Silvertip. The gun was blowing the bullets apart. Later when the POS Berger bullets became the rage, I tried them and had the same results. The target at 100 yards looked like it was shot by a shotgun. That’s why when your shooting these hyper-magnums, I only trust a monolithic bullet. Currently I shoot the 145gr Barnes LRX in my STW at 3450Fps. The rifle is a Sako TRG-S (M995) with a 26”bbl.
I have a 7 stw as well built on a defiance action with a 26 inch hart barrel and yes i load the exact same same charges as i do in my 28 nosler in all honesty i rather have the 7stw
Thanks for sharing. Love hearing about the numbers
While I'm no hypermagnum guy, I am fully onboard with you on fast cartridges being best with Monos. Personally, for hunting Plains Game up to the size of Eland, I wouldn't hesitate using a 6.5 PRC with a Barnes TTSX or LRX going 3000+, but for my .308, I think a 165gr Nosler AccuBond is just about perfect.
In my opinion, velocities over 3000fps is Monolithic territory. Below 2800fps, I feel like a Bonded is still a tad bit 'better'.. but that's all subjective.
Idk what bergers you were using but i have yet to hurt a 180 vld or hybrid out of my 28. Ive shot them as fast as 3400 on a too hot load. Current at a node in 3275-3280 range out of my 28” 8t barrel
@@orr89rocz can’t remember the weight now. They were the hunting vld’s. Pure shit in a plastic box.
Just hanging with the 300 rum says a lot for 28 nosler
In terms of energy, definitely - but trajectory.. well a .243 AI with a 115gr Nosler RDF going 3200 is slightly flatter shooting than either of them! Of course it's no where near the bite and definitely nowhere near the bark though of a .28 Nos haha
@@marcmoore4115 you need to do some homework start at 500 yards and work up
@@marcmoore4115a 28 nos with 180gr Berger at 3200 plus is flatter than your 243 ai
I'll take a 300 RUM or 300 Weatherby any day over any of the Nosler cartridges. Plus I've never warmed up to the 7mm's.
I'm also a 30 caliber guy
@@ReloadingWeatherby 👍
The numbers I've heard on the 7mm PRC are very efficient. In between a 7mm rem mag and a 28 nosler. Very good energy, trajectory and efficiency with a 180 grain bullet. Combine those facts with a much more manageable recoil and we have a great cartridge. Judging from it's powder charge it would have better barrel life than a 28 nosler or 300 rum.
I think you're correct
7mm prc is only available in 175 eldx or 180 gr eldm. Both are bad choices for hunting big game!
@@moneyx3232 I agree those bullets are not good for hunting
@@moneyx3232 while I'll agree that I wouldn't trust the ELD-X and especially the M for Hunting... I fully believe the 7 PRC will get factory support very quickly. I mean... it's a hot new cartridge - much more so than the 6.8 Western and judging by Hornady's history... 6.5 Creed, 6 Creed, 6.5 PRC and .300 PRC have all been serious marketing successes that all the big companies will want to jump on - give it a little time and you'll see factory loads with all sorts of bullets 👍🏻
Personally, I'd want to reload it with a Barnes TTSX or Nosler AccuBond LR.
7 PRC identical to the 7MM RM exept that the 7PRC can use longer/heavier bullets because of twist and OAL, BUT 7MM hunting, What is the max weight you would use in a hunting rifle , 160-175 Grns most popular big game loads, or 180-190+ Grns bullets?
I like 7mm so I would pick the 28 Nosler to hunt with personally
Thanks for your nice video!! I just reached 3150 fps with my Sandero .300 RUM, using a Nosler ABLR 210 grains and US 869 powder…. A little tough on the shoulder… My 6.5 CM is more fun to shoot! 😁😁
In my eyes, I'm more concerned about Wind Drift. Bullet drop is much more consistent and much easier to accurately adjust for using Rangefinders and a ballistic app. Windage on the other hand.. well it could be 10mph left to right where you are, but 5mph right to left half way... so the less wind drift you can get from a bullet, obviously the better.
In my eyes, the .28 Nosler wins, mainly because I find all of the RUMs to just be too much... I'm more of a .280 AI or 7 SAUM guy than .28 Nos guy, but as long as I can handle the kick, the ballistics are incredible.
True
100%.
I left the same comment before reading this.
I have heard some pretty good hunter/shooters say the 7 mag with a good 175gr bullet will take larger game than most give credit without issue.
Ron Spomer for 1. So the 28 with a good, reasonably heavy bullet should cover it also.
@@kentuckywindage222 In my opinion, 7mm is optimal. Not as light as 6.5 and .27, but also not more than you need. Very good ballistics from 160gr and up, whereas .30 cal you really need to go over 180gr to do well in the air... O have a .308 and I think I'd prefer it over a 7mm-08, but a .280 AI would be my preferred choice for game up to the size of Eland.
The 300 rum wit 210 ablrs is the best for hunting hands down flat and tons of energy and the ablr is a good bullet
For me 28 with 175 nosler prt or ab is everything you need!
Fwiw, ADG case 28 nosler fired in my gun was 102.6 gr water. Hodgdon load data with berger 180 vld and 81.5 retumbo but seated to closer to 3.6” not saami, is 3250’s fps in my 28” 8t. 90 grain LRT its 3280’s with a 180 hybrid target. Its a powerhouse for wind drift. Flat comes into play past 1000, light bullet 30 mags def can be flatter at less range but wont handle wind. Id be curious how they compare with equal bc bullets. Rum needs to run 230-250’s to really shine.
Interesting and surprising results, thanks for the comparison! I have my 28 Nosler barrel coming with a chamber optimized for a 195gr Berger EOL which is single feed only and the bullet heel is right on the shoulder-neck junction of my dummy rounds. It will be interesting how flat I can get this thing to shoot at 1000yds. Not hunting with it, it is ELR only. It looks like the US869 or RL33 are the highest velocity powders for the heavier 7mm projectiles. I'll have to run it through QuickLoad.
Sounds fun, keep me updated
Thanks and I shall. Thank you for an informative vlog.
I plan on getting a Mag lengh action donor rifle and rebarrel to 28 Nosler. There are new 300 Wby or 6.5 Wby rifles for $800 (600 used)and a $600 Barrel. If I stick to the 7 RM or 300 WM can seat out the bullets and get 7PRC or 300PRC performance with plenty available cases. Don't care about the belt
30-378 Weatherby! The king of the thirties!
It certainly is flatter than both
@@ReloadingWeatherby 300 Weatherby is not much off the RUM.
I had 300 RUM but I'm sticking with 30-378 😂🎉
This should be a good one
Hope you like it
300 Rum 26 inch barrel 200 grain federal Edge TLR g1 bc = 0.625. Or g7 bc = 0.312 Average F.P.S = 3216 300 yard zero. 1000 yard drop = 160.1 inches. Simple there are only a few rifle cartridges that can do these numbers and 28 Nosler is not one of them
Interesting video although I wound consider either. I don't plan shooting anything 1,000 yards away unless it is a steel plate.
What is your preferred 1,000 yard steel plate cartridge?
@@ReloadingWeatherby I meant to say shots that long on game is not ethical for 99.99% of hunters. Thus, I would only try a shot that long for ringing steel which would not require a perfect 1st round wind call. Sadly, there are no 1,000 yard ranges close to me.
BTW - I went insane over the weekend and ordered a 20" threaded Criterion barrel in 270 to experiment with.
I would liked to have seen a comparison of the 210 ABLR in 300 RUM and the 175 ABLR in the 28 Nosler. Then for giggles the 190 ABLR in 300 Win. All hunting bullets. Then also discuss best lethality on game like elk at 500 yards?
28 nosler is a beast!!! Smoke the RUM !!!😮😅
I wonder would happen if I could take a 300rum dt srs m2 & order a custom 28 nosler barrel for it & get these new 28 bullets seated out further...🤔 could literally use the same mag, bolt & only have to swap a barrel out, both would be at 26 cause why not.
I'll take the 28 Nos. elevation adjustment is easy, compared to windage adjustment when wind is involved. Therefore the higher B.C. bullet is definitely a better choice. Especially running that close in drop. Also owning a 300 Rum, (as in past tense) it has pretty stiff recoil. Haven't shot the 28 Nos. but I would suspect recoil to be less. Don't get me wrong I'm a .30 cal guy but here, my choice is the 28.
What replaced your 300 Rum ?
@@WillyK51
William I went to a 300 Win mag after that. Now my magnum is no more than a 308 Win. 168gr Berger @2760 fps, 6.5 creedmoor Hornady 140 gr ELDM @ 2835 fps or 243 Winchester 100 gr 2900 fps. or what I have come up with lately an 80gr Barnes ttsx @ 3400 fps. None close to the 300 Ultra and most particularly in recoil. I'm busted up pretty bad, (close quarter shotgun blast to my lower right flank) at the time of the 300 ultra, I was young and trying to push every limit my body put on me. Even going back to work as a small town city officer for a while. Neither of the two lasted long as health and severe pain issues became a problem with both. I'm retired and disabled now. I find big ideas and planning testing loads needing motivation lately. Anyway if I were healthy, I would own a 300 Ultra or maybe a 7mm Ultra. The newer cartridges with those high BC bullets are hard to over look. My little 6.5cm with my load has as much fps and foot lbs energy as a 357 mag at the muzzle at 1000 yards. I've shot that rifle repeatedly from 800 to 1000 yards with repeatable results breaking clay pigeon's. If the 1st or 2nd shot did miss it was well within a normal kill zone on all but the smallest of varmints. One evening in particular we were preparing to leave a practice and a varmint walked out just above 1000 yards. Where I had just shot a good target group. My partner ranged, 1060 yards. I made the adjustments and one varmint down. Most impressive was the 140gr bullets damage. Would I take that shot at a deer.....probably not, but I know my rifle, load and I have made it before if I ever did. My buddy shoots a 300 Win Mag. I worked with him one summer 4 to 6 days a week rain, wind, smoke, etc. Shooting and reloading. Last deer gun season he took 2 deer at 700 yards. This was a shot at the same spot he had practiced. Still 700 yards is a pretty good clip. He told me starting if he could bust a milk jug at 400 yards he would be thankful. 4 months in he was busting those milk jugs at 1000 yards. He was so pleased. Me too!
Use enough gun and the right bullet with plenty of practice, in the elements you'll be hunting in, with different types of rests.
I like accuracy over horsepower.
@@kentuckywindage222 Thank's, I have just one big game rifle and it's a 1917 Enfield in 30-06, About 1 moa( hand loaded) and never needed a bit more Omph. But loking for something bit more modern to pass on to grandson and setelled between a 300 Win,fine for me and a 7mm RM a bit more practical for a younger hunter. My Inlaw son isn't a hunter, but Active Military and snipper school graduate. So coaching won't be an issue. With all the long range craze, piking the proper rifle maters, for me Bullet choice is simple, 165Grns for 06, and up to 180 Grns for the 300 Win and 160 Grns to 175 in the 7 RM, Standard rifling twist. but there are few Rifle makers that make 1-8 for both cartridges in case Kid wants long range hunting and heavier/streamlined bullets (Browning is the one so far) (Budget Very Important) $1500 Max. Don't want to go the PRC or 28 Nosler way. For my 300 Win found a $400 300 Whby either to set back to chamber 300 Win( bit of a Wildcat but will chamber std, 300 Win and a longer OAL pluss throat) or rebarrel to 300 Win with a 1-8 twist and longer throat, Mag lengh Action with 300 PRC capabilities in 300 Win. Just to much time wondering how to build 🤔 a better mouse trap
@@WillyK51
My buddy has a Christensen arms Ridgeline 26inch carbon in 300 win mag. Looong throat. Why he runs the Berger 212 hybrid over Vitavauri 570 I believe. Tried H1000 but didn't give him what he was looking for. He ran a low node of 2950 for the first summer and until about 3 months ago. I think he is around 1500 to 1800 rounds. Can't remember for sure, but he has kept a measure on throat erosion. He bumped up powder the powder to run a bit over 3000 and his accuracy actually got better. It shot well from the start. Someone told him we needed to run a long OAL for the Christensen to shoot at it's best. I hear folks talk about theirs shooting badly. So I think you have to run a little long. I myself have a tendency to run hot loads. I find better accuracy it seems at the bottom node and the top node. Seems a longer as in grains between start and end of node closer or at the top, (hotter load). Of course this is counter intuitive to barrel life. If just hunting and some long range practice for practice and just in case the shot would come to fruition upper node will be fine. Lots of the rifles today have prefit barrels by good barrel makers. Some with action wrench and or barrel ranch plus go gauge and translucent tape on end for no go or an actual no go gauge, can be changed by someone with a little tool sense in 15 to 45 minutes. In other words you could go from let's say 308 Win. to 6.5 creedmoor in that time. Action length is you limiting factor.
All in all I've shot a lot of weapons and calibers. The little 6.5 when loaded with 140 + @ 2800 feet per second is awesome. A muzzle break and no recoil watch your shots impact. Use inside reticle for correction if alone. I'm really liking the 6mm creedmoor with the high BC bullets on paper. Less powder, less recoil etc. Before choosing a caliber look at how hard components are to find. 6.5 creedmoor = H4350 hard to find. Especially 8lb cans, brass and bullets at times, the Berger 212gr my buddy uses were like hen's teeth. Just so you know. Wish someone would've told me this kinda stuff.🤣
@@kentuckywindage222 Sorry to bug you, the twist rate of the Christensen( Went to page and 1-10) for those 212 bullets? works fine stabilizing them?
There's a crossover point in cartridges! There's barrel wear in every cartridge! But these two cartridges have to be barrel burners with maximum loads! These cartridges are both Overbored! Lots of powder and long shank bullets have costs associated with them!
Yep
How does the 7 rum compare with 28 nosler
7mm RUM is faster, but it really needs a 28 inch barrel to show it's true potential. But if you believe the reloading books... With both cartridges having 26 inch barrels apparently the 28 Nosler and 7mm RUM have the exact same velocities.
Should have compared the 7mm rum instead of the 300.
Just out of curiosity, if you were going to Africa for Plains Game and HAD to choose between a 6.5mm (of your choice) and a cartridge that is just too much recoil for you - how big would that cartridge have to be before you choose the 6.5?
So for instance if you find a .458 Lott is too much recoil for you, would you rather take that or a 6.5mm? Or would you tough it out with the monster cartridges?
Love your vids btw, always good fun to watch.
I would take the bigger cartridge. I would practice with the bigger one to get better at it
@@ReloadingWeatherby haha that's a great loophole you found 😄 but your choice actually is absolutely right - in my opinion, always take the biggest you can accirately shoot. Personally, I don't see it as a necessity to go past .338 Win Mag for PG, but hey.. if one can handle more, that's great 👍🏻
The rum will take it.
How about the 7 rum?
I think the 7mm RUM is flat but crazy over-chamberd
I agree
@@ReloadingWeatherby I just ordered a Mark V Accumark Bronze Sporter with a deluxe walnut stock ( Limited production, discontinued)
Have you ever heard of it?
@@Wheelchair-bear I haven't... that sounds cool
Why not 7RUM vs 28 Nosler ?
Good idea
Eh whats the wind drift? Thats more important
28 nosler at 1000 for sure
I think you will be surprised
6 mils at 1000, 6.5 need more is like 10.2 mil at 1000
I have a custom 28 nosler wit a 26 inch hart barrel i shoot 180 berger at 3150 fps with retumbo i have 2 custom 300 rums one with a 30 inch bartlein barrel and the other with a 26 inch bartlein barrel in the 26 i shoot 210 ablrs at 3160 fps but the flattest of them all i have a custom 7mm rum wit a 28 inch hart barrel and that shoots 180 berger bullets at 3350 fps but i dont shoot anything bigger then deer cause bergers blow up on the animals
Impressive numbers with the 7mm RUM
@@ReloadingWeatherby both the 28 nosler an 7mm rum shoot the same powder retumbo but the rum i load 10 grains more powder iv tryd everything with my 28 nosler and it doesnt come close to the 7 rum
Why would you shoot anything with a bullet you can’t trust? There are many better options out there than Berger for hunting bullets.
Out of these two, I'm going to guess the 28 nosler is flatter.
You're not wrong haha
Unless you compare same weight projectile this info is irrelevant. You must compare apples to apples.
Did you not watch until the end?
Hurry up slow poke😬
I understand your frustration... it was not my intention to drag it on. My bad
@@ReloadingWeatherby I wasn’t serious, just anxious to see your video😊
The problem is by the time you find a load for the rifle in either of these rounds the throat is almost shot out.
You think the throat erosion is that fast?